Good things come to those who wait.
The United gravy train was wiped out by a massive lump of doorstop thick Hovis last night as Thomas Tuchel crushed a bland United (0-2).
I know, it’s sickening for many of you, one of my hipster faves dropped us a favour. The wonderfully eccentric Tuchel organized his Paris team perfectly to nullify the basic strategies of United. No highline for him. He sat two midfielders in front of the PSG defence, he kept things super tight and he stopped Paul Pogba feeding the rapid front line of United.
It’s amusing that fan complaints are similar wherever you are in the food chain. United supporters bitching and whining that they need to invest in their squad is incredibly satisfying. They have more than enough good players to make a go of it against PSG, they were just outsmarted by a more tactically astute manager, who organized players who were out of control last season into a tight unit.
They still have the second leg. Paris are a bit Spursy, so no doubt a surprise could be sprung next week. Remember, this is the team that lost a 4 goal lead against Barcelona in 2017. Anything is possible. I’m just glad United are having to go to Paris to chase a game. I hope it’s really tiring.
It’s a huge season for Tuchel, he’s a man with special sauce, the problem is it’s been a little too spicy. He has the crazy ideas, the sublime footballing vision, he’s been praised widely for his handling of big names/bad boys and he’s dealt with squad conflict well. From what I’ve read, the players also have a lot of respect for his powers at this second.
I don’t know for sure, but I think PSG might have done their homework on their man and tried to surround him with a team that could iron out the creases in his personality. Their assistant coach, 39-year-old Zsolt Lőw, is a darling of the coaching scene, adored by players and sporting directors, and also a target for Premier League clubs a few years back was hired at great expense last summer. He’s known as an innovator and a coach players go to war for.
It’s an interesting project at PSG. I think the mission points to the future. Great clubs will opt for coaches who are innovators, and most importantly, entertainers. Stan Kroenke called sport a content game. If the world of football distribution is being democratized, clubs are going to have to work harder for eyeballs. Look at how the kids are engaging with the game these days, little short clips of the best games on the web. Those clips are marketing fodder. They tell you where to look when you have 5000 games to choose from.
The teams that offer the most value for people’s time will be the most worthy of sponsorship deals. Ugly football that wins won’t cut it, because I can watch beautiful football that wins in Italy, or Spain, or England if I choose. The modern fan is not loyal, they go where the excitement is. I think PSG have identified that and that’s why they opted for a manager who hasn’t won titles (also worth noting that Bayern were also very keen on Tuchel).
Cannot wait for them to now be turned over by Phil Jones shinned effort, followed by two late headers from BIG Mo Fellaini next week.
The test is really on for Ole G now he’s lost his first major test. I always wince a little bit when things are going well for a new manager and the press start asking about how such genius came about. They all fall for it… Emery was talking about banning fruit juice and not allowing his players to be cowards… Ole G was talking about bringing back simple joys like purified water and allowing players to smile. Now we’ll see how much was genius and how much was the adrenaline shot of not having to walk Mourinho metaphorically wax his balls in front of the dressing room every week.
In transfer news, Matt Law rolled with a story about intermediaries trying to sell Ozil this summer. I love it, it’s like some dodgy rabble of estate agents trying to sell a Miami beach house that’s going to fall into the sea in 15 years. No one is going to pick up those wages and there is no way Mesut is going to exchange London for anywhere in China. He doesn’t need to.
The more worrying part of his story was he also mentioned the lower fee of £50m this summer. I’ve been told this info is coming from Arsenal PR, and that would now mean 3 well-connected journos are peddling sub £50m, versus Ornstein who says £100m.
I really can’t fathom why the club is so keen to dampen enthusiasm for summer. It’s like they’re not even trying to convince fans to buy season tickets. It seems way too early to pushing stories like that. But whatever, it’s not great news.
Still, at least we’re being linked with Grimaldo of Benfica… we certainly need a fresh look at left back. Right back. Centre back. Right wing. Left wing. Back up keeper. M… just kidding.
Those pennies are going to have to go an awful long way this summer!
To tackle that, we’ll need a good technical director. I’ll hopefully rustle up some fresh names for you tomorrow, assuming Arsenal will be a bit diligent over search and select and interview more than one candidate for a job that’ll shape Arsenal for years to come.
See you in the comments.
Upstate I’ve been reading this blog for about 5 years but only started posting a couple of months ago. I do pay pretty close attention to who/what’s been posted, and you along with your buddies Boomslang and a few others have contributed very little. In fact, I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that I’ve probably posted more relevant stuff here in the last couple of months than you have in years. The reason you don’t know who I am is because you don’t read/follow this blog and usually check out after the “top 4 battle”. Thanks so… Read more »
Upstate (again)
“It just irked me when someone like DM who literally hasn’t posted anything in months besides “trophy””
This really is BS, and if you read this blog as often as you claim to then you would know. The Tr4phy is a bit of harmless fun (and if it annoys you as much as it seems then that’s just a bonus), but when I have something worth saying I say it. I just don’t feel the need to write the same old stuff on a daily basis – after all, not much changes that often.
Jamie – Back in October/November you were exceedingly interested in where Ramsey ended up. If he was so good, you said,he would end up a top club, like City.
Now he has ended up a top club you’ve shifted the goal posts. Poor form.
The first post trophy lark is less irritating than the posters screaming for Mesut Ozil to be in the side.
Paulinho Liverpool played Alonso and Mashcerano with Gerrard either right or ahead because it made more sense for Liverpool to get Alonso AND Mascherano in the team (remember, we’re talking Real Madrid and Barcelona stalwarts to be). Your comparison is that Arsenal had to get coquelin in the side? What exactly did he bring to Arsenal over Ramsey (remember, he was sold off after two season for being….shit)? No harm whatsoever in shuffling midfield to get Alonso-Mascherano-Gerrard on the pitch at the same time, elite players. Makes a mockery of any attempt to call Ramsey such a thing when he’s… Read more »
The first post trophy lark is less irritating than the posters screaming for Mesut Ozil to be in the side.
Agreed
It is quite possible that Ramsey and his agent over-achieved by getting the Juve deal. Timing and luck also play a part. I wouldn’t jump to conclusions about Ramsey suddenly becoming twice the player he is, he may succeed in Serie A but that won’t mean we should have kept him.
When Mesut Ozil show’s enough over 90 minutes to be in the side on a consistent basis he will be in the side.
No one hates him ..he is just not pulling his weight.
Telling he isn’t even bothered …..
Eagle
Picking it up from last night, what we reckon Hazard to Madrid with Dybala to Chelsea?
Bayern great fit for the Argentinian not sure they that well healed though.
Meanwhile the good ole Arse with be battling it out with Wolves for targets .
Paulinho, your argument is infantile…you mention Enrique, say he’s versatile. Am I missing something? WTF has Enrique got to do with your defence of Ramsey. Apart from the obvious disconnect, Ramsey is NOT versatile. Over the years he has been tried out in various positions and he has not established himself in one. Your use of ‘versatile’ is a classic euphemism. Juve have seen what he can do and that his niche skill set could work for them. They are a dominant force and can afford use him as a squad player. In my opinion he is a ‘luxury’ player,… Read more »
Sal
If Dybala comes to the PL, he’ll end up at Man Utd. They need at an attacker that can start off on the right and cut in. Martial and Rashford prefer the left. He can also play #10 and as a false #9m. The 90 plus million fee won’t be a problem for them. Also, he’s good mates with Pogba.
Charlie – Liverpool had better options and a better team. Your point is, what, that Ramsey isn’t as good as Gerrard and Alonso?
Ah, same ‘reimagined’ CAM you are still calling for at 34. Watch Cazorla,Arteta and little Francis get ripped from pillar to post as Charlie tries to really ram home how disgraceful Ramsey’s ‘inability’ to get into central midfield was. Except, it wasn’t an inability, it was what was best for the side. Same as it was when he played centrally, which overall for his Arsenal career, was about 90% of the time.
Bob – Played in central midfield in a 4-4-2, wide midfield effectively, and as a forward when he made team of the tournament for Wales. So yes he is versatile. Ramsey also want him to play in a three. If you can play more than one position you’re versatile.
What’s infantile is your understanding of the game.
Nigeria kids are playing right now in U20 Africa Cup of Nations v Mali. Semi-final.
What has happened with Zambia youth?
They were champs in last edition but didn’t qualify for this one.
I’m not sure there’s any manager out there that can get any more from Ozil at this stage.
He hasn’t been available because of niggling injuries, some of which are questionable as to severity.
You don’t pay anyone elite money so they can be carried by others. I’m not sure there’s a club outside Turkey that will take on Ozil even on 200k weekly.
That said, Emery still needs to give him more chances because we haven’t found a way to perform well in the final third.
Shame that the pitch is poor in this African U20 match.
Hard pitch. No give.
Apparently Ozil hasn’t travelled with the squad.
Anything Charlie George posts is a thousand times more irritating than the trop4y stuff.
It seems that I’ve struck the cord with the greatest top 4 poster on Le-Grove in DM. In reality, I have nothing against the Trop4y game as long as it’s followed by something meaningful/relevant. I think most of us on here can agree that’s rarely the case with those guys, and I’m surprised that Pedro have allowed this to go on thus far. If your only objective is to post 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th and you don’t contribute to the discussions then you might as well don’t post anything at all. I wonder if DM and Co. even read… Read more »
Paulinho – No goal-post shifting here, either. You’re right, though. I did say that if a top club came in for him, I thought it might be City or Chelsea if they were short of HG players. What I have also said from the start, is that I think he’s a good not great player. Nothing more, nothing less. A solid 100k a week player. I also conceded that I was surprised he signed for Juve. Does that change my opinion of his footballing abilities? Why should it? He’s still playing at his level right now, which is good not… Read more »
gambon, Which billionaire pays off a mortgage debt? When you have that much money, the debt is your way of bossing the bank around. I thing it was Paul Getty who said in ” If you owe the bank $100 that’s your problem. If you owe the bank $100 million, that’s the bank’s problem” Properly managed debt is leverage for a billionaire, why would he give it up? From a business perspective it makes no sense. because there’s no certainty that someone else wont simply out-spend him and we still wont have CL football. He will look to the spuds… Read more »
Paulinho I rated Arteta and Cazorla, but the point remains as someone who’s keen to tout Ramsey as a top player capable of bossing it in CM its a bit suspect he couldn’t make the position his own given our options. Arteta was very good, a much better CM than Ramsey was capable of being. Cazorla was brilliant, a much better CM than Ramsey was capable of being. Coquelin was a pony and spirited, still a better CM than Ramsey was capable of being. If you disagree with any of the above then why were none of them billed as… Read more »
Jamie, it’s not all Paulinho’s left on the wall next to his Ramsey poster!
Jamie – Who Ramsey will attract and how he will do there are two different things.
You’re still having problems accepting that Juve actually genuinely wanted him and that they might actually believe what they say when asked why they bought him.
I nailed my colours to the mast that he was top player and would attract top clubs. And I was right.
How will do there? If he stays fit he will do well.
Receeding – it’s horses for courses. You don’t ask a 100m sprinter to run a marathon. Ozil does not need to give us 90minutes of running, he needs to be utilised like he was at Real, where he gave 60mins of chance creation.
Bob –
Funny and gross in equal measure.
“All points to Ramsey not being competent in CM, but he’s got a Juve contract now so apparently fuck the last decade cos he’s mint.”
Sami Khedira and Emre Can have all moved to Juve on frees recently and they are not really the best in their positions ..i guess the surprising thing is how much they were willing to pay to make Ramsey happen.
Dissenter, you’re right but so is Gambon. Bamford posed the question how could we get round FFP? Gambon explained how. The likliehood of Kroenke not being the ‘businessman’ on this one is small, and by that I mean leverage blah, blah, blah. If his son thinks let’s copy Liverpool then maybe. Usmanov offered to clear the mortgage but Kroenke, declined!
Sorry Jamie, a reactive thought that I should have kept to myself…
“Receeding – it’s horses for courses. You don’t ask a 100m sprinter to run a marathon. Ozil does not need to give us 90minutes of running, he needs to be utilised like he was at Real, where he gave 60mins of chance creation.”
Real Madrid was five years ago and he was surrounded by world class players and was let go the moment they tired of carrying him ..No one is asking him to run up and down for 90 minutes, maybe you should watch other elite play makers play more to see what is expected of Ozil
Arse&Nose
“Ozil does not need to give us 90minutes of running, he needs to be utilised like he was at Real, where he gave 60mins of chance creation.”
You don’t think Emery has tried this tactic already?
Ozil still didn’t create shat when given 60 minutes
Honestly I’m beginning to think there’;s something going on in his private life or his emotional status is on the decline. Something is not right with Ozil.
At some point Arsenal FC has to try to recover money from him because he isn’t fulfilling his contract. The contract cannot be 100% binding.
If it’s true that Ozil is not in the squad then I think this whole situation is becoming a joke that might turn nasty, surely he must be getting game time even if the club want to sell him, if not it would be another bad decision by the club because his value will just plummet. Whatever we think of him , he is still a talented player and the club and manager just looks petty not picking him. Has anyone at the club ever been involved in running a club? Doesn’t seem that way. If this continues, Ozil will… Read more »
Charlie -He did make the position his own 90% of the time, same way Gerrard made it his own 90% of the time. So your point about consistently not being played in central midfield is a non-starter.
Regardless of the position argument, he is top player and you were proven completely wrong about him.
Paulinho – I can assure you I’m not having issues understanding any of your content. The points you’re making are moot. Of course Juve wanted Ramsey. They offered him 400k a week over 4 years (at which point his career will be petering down). Is he worth that kind of money? You think yes, I think no. In your desperation to be right about things, you’ve forgotten that he hasn’t kicked a ball for Juve yet. Let’s see if he starts kicking them in the back of the net, or flicking them to opposition players over the next 2 seasons.… Read more »
“The Real Madrid manager accepted that Özil’s departure to Arsenal was his decision and he explained why he decided to keep Di María in the squad: “To maintain the team’s balance I preferred Di María. Ángel isn’t as skilful as Özil, but in terms of character and what he brings to the team I wanted Di María”.”
Ozil was laughing away in training, thought he would be depressed right now despite his burgeoning bank account. Not sure if we have such a good squad that Ozil can’t get a game. Is this simply a fairly brutal way of telling him and his agent to find employment elsewhere?
Why does he get dropped and then comes back with the captain’s armband on?
Bob – Infantile eh. Pulled that one right from the kids at school.
Having said that there really is no excuse for not giving him minutes here and there and i am actually more bothered he is not making much of a fuss about not playing…he is 30 not 35 ….
MajesticGooner
Spot on
Pedro
‘…the team with the best players usually wins.’
Dead right about that, but wrong about big clubs borrowing the innovations of small clubs (there aren’t any, it’s all been done before.)
They simply buy their best players.
BoBn16, “Usmanov offered to clear the mortgage but Kroenke, declined!” Beacause he was locked in a titanic struggle of ownership with Usmanov so why give him a leg in. You think Usmanov wouldn’t have demanded for a seat on the board to put money in. Usmanov [backed by David Dein] wanted to reform the club and help it adapt to compete with the new money in football. He made that pitch to the previous owners while Kroenke promised to hands-off and let the club continue in it’s conservative traditions. We all know who won. They accepted Kroenke’s offer because they… Read more »
Jaime Lannister is going down swinging his sword. Never mind he misses all his strikes though, oops.
“The Real Madrid manager accepted that Özil’s departure to Arsenal was his decision and he explained why he decided to keep Di María in the squad: “To maintain the team’s balance I preferred Di María. Ángel isn’t as skilful as Özil, but in terms of character and what he brings to the team I wanted Di María”.”
CHARACTER
Even an easy going man like Carlo recognized Ozil for the wimp he was …Telling Real Madrid became a force in Europe right after he left and we were left with 10-2 aggregate scorelines with Mr Chance Created
“What you’re seemingly struggling (or unwilling) to acknowledge is the potential for mistakes to be made in the market.”
I am completely aware of it. What does that have to do with Ramsey being able to attract top clubs in the first place?
PierreFebruary 13, 2019 12:36:31 China My argument regarding Ozil is to do with the process of hiring our new manager. the stupidity of the decision to hire a .manager who will not play ( doesn’t rate) a player who has just signed a 350 grand a week contract is dIfficult to comprehend. Knowing that we will not be able to sell Ozil if the manager doesn’t rate him compounds the decision to hire Emery >>>>>> What’s difficult to comprehend is your stupidity. Gazidas and Wenger signed off Ozil’s 350, not Emery, not Raul, not Even. Ornstein who knows more about… Read more »
Majestic gooner
You’re making an assumption that Ozil is being shut out.
What’s a manger top do if the player is staying up late playing fortnite and is feigning injuries . That’s my counter assumption
Dissenter
“””I’m not sure there’s any manager out there that can get any more from Ozil at this stage”””””
Very defeatist and negative assessment
Well I Suggest we find a new coach/manager – because Ozil is not ( rightly) going anywhere..
And you can scream, shout and throw your toys out, Dissenter.
Ozil will outlast Emery- just like Pogba has had the last laugh on Jose.
I just find the complete and utter alienation of your highest paid employee- so incredibly counter productive….
Frankly it’s ineptitude of the highest order..
Bob N16 Why does he get dropped and then comes back with the captain’s armband on? —– This worries me because it shows Emery as being confused and weak at handling egos. This was something that came out from PSG after Emery left. Thiago Silva recently said this when comparing Tuschel to PSG under Emery: Q. Neymar is also better this season. Is it because he understood this message? “Of course. He understood as everybody understood because these are things you tell him directly. It is not behind that you have to say “We have to do this!”, And then… Read more »
Charlie
I hate to break it to you but Ozil is a gonna in the summer, with our without Emery as the manager.
Its very clear to see he’s finished at Arsenal.
Do people not read other people’s comments on here? It seems to me that everyone just picks and chooses what they want to see/read. Enough with this 400k /week Ramsey crap.
kristoman posted this a WHILE back yet a lot of you are still debating it.
https://soccer.nbcsports.com/2019/02/12/confusion-over-ramseys-reported-wages-at-juve/
I think NBC Sports is a pretty reliable source so maybe we can put it to rest once and for all.
Upstate So nice of you to speak for so many people on here – you know, just in case they can’t. I, for one, am very glad you’ve opened up about your feelings. Plenty of people in the past have had a problem with the tr4phy game that some of us play, but when those conversations have happened, there have usually been more saying they quite enjoy (or at least don’t mind) it than those who object. So that’s personal preference. But your statements about my not posting anything else for months is just factually inaccurate. A few days ago… Read more »
“just like Pogba has had the last laugh on Jose.”
Another poster that wants to make a comparison of Ozil to Pogba.
These guys like in cloud cuckoo land.
Ozil has nowhere near the overall influence on a team that Pogba has/can have.
The art of great management is not to create problems – but to bandaid them.
If Emery don’t fancy ozil- get him playing well ( even sporadically)- and then attempt to sell him in the summer.
Don’t allow it to become an open sore.
Something that overshadows our whole season….
Will it be the same next season??
I don’t think any manager will bother to mark Ozil out of a game like Pogba was yesterday, he will simply take himself out of it and remain on the periphery. If you really want to know what certain football people think of Ozil just browse around the internet for quotes. I was watching the guys on ESPN the other day saying Arsenal football club has to help the manager by getting rid of Ozil ….that tell’s you all you need to know. Ozil is a nobody in World football right now, yet he is our highest paid layer and… Read more »
Paulinho –
“What does that have to do with Ramsey being able to attract top clubs in the first place?”
Are you being deliberately obtuse? Clubs make mistakes in the transfer market all the time. You literally acknowledged it preceding the question quoted above.
Is Ramsey your favourite player of all time? Genuine question.
If Emery don’t fancy ozil- get him playing well ( even sporadically)- and then attempt to sell him in the summer.
Selling Ozil on 140k a week is dead easy
Selling Ozil on 350k a week?? Good luck wit that
Charlie George
Don’t allow it to become an open sore.Something that overshadows our whole season….
Will it be the same next season??
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Exactly, this stinks of bad management. Something Thiago Silva has alluded to in his interview is that Emery does not speak directly, he sends mixed signals.
DM, I can’t believe you’d want to play your ‘game’. That aside, I simply scroll down as I’m sure all but a select few do.
I think it is fair to say that the amount of time you spend posting on your game, massively outweighs your comments on anything else. Nothing wrong with that but you’re surely known more for your obsession to finish top 4 than anything to do with your views on Arsenal.
RH
“Ozil is a nobody in World football right now, yet he is our highest paid player and in the eyes of some fans our messiah ..that tells you where we are as a football club”
Never a truer word spoken.
I don’t know what is more unfortunate at this point.
Fans screaming for him or that he is seen as a stellar “star” footballer at Arsenal at this time.
“Exactly, this stinks of bad management. Something Thiago Silva has alluded to in his interview is that Emery does not speak directly, he sends mixed signals.”
PSG is not the only club Unai Emery has managed so i think we have had enough of the quotes from PSG players , and Ozil is no Neymar, Neymar wins games on his own..Ozil creates chances while hoping Pierre is counting
Jamie – You should just first accept you were wrong and Juve genuinely wanted him. The technical director isn’t playing to the crowd, they genuinely wanted him for the reasons stated. You wouldn’t dismiss it as PR if you weren’t still having trouble with Ramsey being wanted by a top club. That is all that is being discussed, and the fact Ramsey is obviously a damn sight better than you and most thought if every major club in Europe was after his signature.
“Arsenal clogged out a depressing 0-0 draw against a bang average Sunderland side. Our season is like watching a wildebeest dragging itself out of a river with 5 crocodiles hanging off the back of it. It’s painful. Can someone just put our season out of its misery? I think what’s clear from today is the manager has bigger problems than we initially thought. We’ve gone from title contenders at the front of the season (JANUARY!), to a squad that looks like it needs a machete this summer. Players aren’t playing for the manager now, and that sort of attitude cannot… Read more »
gambon “If Stan were to pay off the Emirates Stadium debt (£180m or so plus penalties), that would leave us with an extra £35m to spend immediately, and £20m every year.” Right, but I take it from this response that that is really the only way he can do a “cash infusion” without running afoul of FFP rules. This was the first thing that I wanted to make clear: we can’t just go out and spend Kroenke’s money in the market; he’d have to use his money pay down the stadium debt, which would in turn make more of the… Read more »
Gambon
“””I hate to break it to you but Ozil is a gonna in the summer, with our without Emery as the manager.”””
Are they going to pay off his contract then?
And what about Elneny- going to pay him off too?
Very dangerous precedent, methinks.
DM “A few days ago (or maybe last week?) I was arguing on here with Charlie George about his apparent hatred of Emery. If you were on here as much as you say, you would’ve seen that. ” You’ve basically just admitted it yourself. You’re on here every single day playing for the top 4 yet “maybe last week” you argued with CG about Emery. Good on you. Bob N16 just agreed with me about you contributing very little, and I’m sure there are plenty more on here would too if they weren’t too busy discussing Ramsey’s 400k /week salary… Read more »
“Ozil is a fantastic player that I’m happy to have in our squad every day of the week. His transfer was not followed by the type pf signings to help him succeed so I’m supportive of him.He is however not indispensable. If he drags this on for too long, get rid off for a record fee and start again. If we give him 250k weekly, out pay structure will balloon upwards for the other players due to Wenger’s socialistic nonsense. It might work if we paid the likes of Oxlade 40k rather than 65k weekly.” Dissenter October 18 2016……… You… Read more »
Clubs have started to buy players using amortization, £40-50 summer transfer budget can buy Arsenal 3 or 4 quality players if we only pay £10-15 million upfront for each player.
I wonder if discrepancy between numbers of how much Arsenal have to spend next summer is argument between accountants.
If Arsenal are going to be ruthless and reduce overall wage bill and amortize purchase of young players, 45 million quid is enough to considerably improve starting eleven.
Charlie
They wont have to pay off Ozils contract completely.
Various options:
1- He may take a pay cut
2- Chinese clubs can easily pay his current salary
3- If we offer him a free transfer he would cost a team maybe £40m for a 3 year deal. A few clubs may be willing to take that risk.
4- We could sell him for say £20m and use that to pay him off, same net outcome as above.
As for Elneny, we could easily sell him for c£12m, absolutely no need to pay him off.
DM – I agree with Bamford10 advice to ignore twats and continue on with what you already doing.
Bamford, your last post in sympathy with DM was a little harsh.
Deep breaths, just focus on a picture of Stan and go to your happy place!
Honest question for those of you loving this absurd treatment of ozil Do you honestly think freezing him out is the best way to put him in the market IF possibly he’s to be sold? If anything it plummets his market value Selling him for example to China/Turkey would be a tantalizing option I imagine but the failure for any potential buyer to see him in action ,even against sides in the Europa totally negates such deals taking place Ozil has got absolutely nothing to lose sitting down his arse on the bench and winding out his contract, while the… Read more »
The ozil haters are definitely getting desperate, going through the archives of Le Grove to try and prove a point.
Sad people …all you have to do is look at how many games we keep losing without him this season and how our football is lacking subtlety, composure and intelligence and you will find the answer.
There is no way possible for Ozil to stay with the team. What has happened makes it untenable for him to remain. This coach or another- his salary is killing the club.
Not just that, his stats are declining every year. Even last year, Rambo bettered him with less minutes.
His agent milked the anxiety at the club for major $$$
Ozil will be gone… Italy or back to Germany at a $ loss for us, but gain long term
“”””As for Elneny, we could easily sell him for c£12m, absolutely no need to pay him off.””
(Gambon)
Are you on strong medication?
Jet lagged?
We won’t get £ 12 for him. ( Great guy that he is)
Which club and what DoF are going to pay £12 mill for Elneny.
English club?
Spanish club?
Who on earth will hard cash for Elneny??
Jwl, are you joining in with Bamford and calling me a certain uniquely female part of the anatomy? Not sure it’s deserved for more than one reason but anything goes I suppose. Not going to bother to debate it….
You do you and please ignore these cunts; they’ve contributed nothing of merit here and the absurdity of them telling you what you should or shouldn’t post is fucking laughable. Complete cunts. Cheers.”
Totally unnecessary Bam!
You don’t just appear from nowhere and start using the c-word on people just because you don’t agree with them
the fact that internet is a free for all shouldn’t make you come across a jackass everytime you fancy being one
I honestly think something is seriously wrong with you
If Emery is demanding certain work done in training and Ozil is not even coming close to his demands what sort of message does that send out to the other players if he is picked for the team despite Emery’s demands?
If Emery wilts and backs down on Ozil then he opens up a can of worms for other players to act up and become lazy.
Yep, not sure why theres a problem. The tro4hy game has been running for the entire 6+ years I’ve been here.
If it’s that much a problem, simply scroll down and ignore.
Paulinho – Repeatedly suggesting someone is struggling doesn’t elevate your position in the discussion. Please stop, it’s tiresome and adds nothing to the debate. Disagreement does not equal confusion, just so we’re clear. I did “admit” Juve wanted Ramsey less than an hour ago. Jamie February 13, 2019 16:09:45 “Of course Juve wanted Ramsey. They offered him 400k a week over 4 years” Ergo, the premise of your previous post collapses. I have accepted that I was wrong about where he would end up, and that Juve did in fact want him and so signed him. Will you accept that… Read more »
If ozil not going with the team, then that says it all.
We make top 4 this season without his services, its proof we didn’t need his sorry ass, dont let the door hit you on the way out
I think outside players just not being good enough, we have a real problem with Mesut Ozil In 2016, Pedro said our players are not good enough. It is also pertinent to note that as at 2016, Pep and Klopp had just started building their squads. It 2019 and Pedro is trying to say the squad is good enough so lets look at what has changed Cech Chambers Bellerin Monreal Koscienly Elneny Ozil Ramsey Iwobi Wellbeck So we’ve added the following Leno ——– better than 2016 Cech? Sokratis replaces Mertasacker Mustafi replaces Gabriel (lol) Kolasinac replaces Gibbs(lol) Xhaka replaces Coquelin… Read more »
Ishola
“If Emery wilts and backs down on Ozil then he opens up a can of worms for other players to act up and become lazy.”
I’m sure if there was a poll amongst the players as to who they look up to and respect the most in the Arsenal team , going by the positive comments they make about Ozil ….he would be top of the poll.
Anyone here remember the name winston Bogarde? The club cannot force Ozil to go anywhere, he can sit and collect his wages, why not get him playing? What the club and manager is doing now not only drives down his transfer fees but also what other clubs might think his salary is worth, so why would he and his agent just sit and take that? They are going to milk the club for as long as they can and if we are being honest he is not that bad a player, I’m sure a good manager would be able to… Read more »
“I imagine but the failure for any potential buyer to see him in action ,”
Ozil is 30 years old, every man and his dog knows what there is to know about Ozil.
I was a RM fan at that time when Ozil left RM, Ozil was never a midfielder in RM. He played right wing. He was loved by a lot of players including CR7 and Ramo and also by the fans. RM just signed Bale that Summer on a world record fee. Bale played Ozil’s position. Ozil was benched in a few preseason games. It is true that Di Marie was ahead of Ozil to play in the midfield position because Di Maria was playing mainly in the midfield before and Ozil was playing 100% as right wing. Ozil saw that… Read more »
Jamie, I’d give up attempting to reason with Paulinho. He’s buying his Rambo Juve shirt as we speak.
“The club cannot force Ozil to go anywhere, he can sit and collect his wages, why not get him playing? ”
Brand Ozil cannot afford that as it would cost him a lot more. Do you think he would getting any endorsement sitting on his ass?
Agree with you completely Magesticgooner. He’s not that poor a player to not pick him. By picking him, we give him a chance to showcase the talent that hopefully will attract an offer that we’ll be very happy to accept. Not using him at all is a very odd strategy.
Ishola You are insinuating Ozil is lazy! Ozil has had a stellar career- and won the highest of accolades. You do not achieve what Ozil has done – by being inherently lazy. And if you think Ozil ,by nature ,is lazy – you are being exactly being what you are accusing Ozil of ( being lazy!) Ozil is probably a difficult and temperamental character . But Emery is paid a lot of money- to get these ‘ maverick players ‘ performing. If he can’t. He should go. And we can get someone who is up to the task. It really… Read more »
If you had a poll amongst Arsenal supporters on whether ozil should be in the team, 80% would vote in favour of Ozil as they understand that Arsenal are a better football team with Ozil in the side.
And that’s what most fans want ,for Arsenal to be a better football team .
If Emery is demanding certain work done in training and Ozil is not even coming close to his demands what sort of message does that send out to the other players if he is picked for the team despite Emery’s demands?” speculations Seeing as you’re not in anyway privy to what actually goes on in training..you’re simply speculating What we see at face value it’s the fact Emery almost always has issues with certain players wherever he goes not that there’s too much wrong with that is all managers has their favorites but how can you honestly see us possibly… Read more »
Seeing as you’re not in anyway privy to what actually goes on in training..you’re simply speculating
Vic, you are doing the same thing. Infact most of us Gooners are doing so. Nobody knows the reason why Ozil isn’t figuring, I’d assume it is a personal issue – which is further speculation.
The official (and could be true line) is that he resumed training on Monday and hasn’t sufficiently recovered enough to feature in tomorrow’s game.
Without 100% knowing, I’m not sure why fans are drawing definitive conclusions.
Victorious WHat is this extra work Emery is demanding? We dont press at all, we are worse defensively than ever. I would have no problem with Ozil being dropped if I could see the reason. What I do see is a team that cant create chances, cant hold on to the ball, absolutely starves the centre forwards, has ridden its luck, and defends worse than we ever did with Ozil in the team. At Dortmund Auba averaged 3.6 shots per game, since he came to Arsenal its more like 2 shots per game. How can our team be creating 40%… Read more »
Azed, I spent a lot of time writing that Wenger should be extracting more from his players. Poor tactics, old school coaching, over-reliance on players he loved, lack of rotation and not enough fire behind the scenes. Emery was hired as a coach. Given £70m more than Klopp to spend in his first two summers. We should be making a go for top 4. We are not good enough to challenge for the league, but we have a squad more than capable of making the top 4. We’re in Feb and we’re 1 point out of the mix after getting… Read more »
Pierre ”I’m sure if there was a poll amongst the players as to who they look up to and respect the most in the Arsenal team , going by the positive comments they make about Ozil ….he would be top of the poll.” Well this is just a big assumption from you and nobody is going to slate a team-mate openly in the press because that is highly unprofessional. We are not in the 1970s anymore where teams were filled with maverick players who just turned up to play in matches and hardly bothered to train. And besides only a… Read more »
“You do you and please ignore these cunts; they’ve contributed nothing of merit here and the absurdity of them telling you what you should or shouldn’t post is fucking laughable. Complete cunts. Cheers.“
Good thing this one doesn’t insult others on here..
I’m guessing one of the kids made a right twat of you today and you’re here to set the record straight
It seems some are trying to deny Paulinho the vindication that he’s earned.
Juventus share his long held views about Ramsey and the technocal director stated that he was never properly used at Arsenal.
They have backed their beliefs with a massive package.
At some point, any reasonable reflective person needs to go…hmmm, did I get that wrong?
A massive club with knowledgeable backroom staff and a world class manager happen to agree with Paulinho about Ramsey.
Just food for thought.
Trouble with players like Ozil is that they are on such high earnings
that financially they are set for life .?
Are they bothered if they play or not I fear not.
The money is already in the bank.
CG
“Ozil has had a stellar career- and won the highest of accolades.”
Mustafi too “won” the world cup with Germany. Does that mean he can’t be criticized harshly?
Jamie – So why then did you question the veracity or authenticity of the reasons why Juve director said they wanted him, notably his technique, final pass, and nose for goal,and having qualities the other midfielders lack? You just skimmed over that when questioned and went onto “well all club make mistakes ” which is a different argument, and various other subjective projections which may or may not happen. So no logic countered because you were still casting doubt on why they a top club would want him with same judgement of his abilities that led to you thinking no… Read more »