HectorFanTV DROPS — Emery seeks a better record away

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Arsenal head out on the road this weekend after not winning in 6 games. Fear not, Emery knows what the double-flip is going down.

“My first critic is myself. We can make the top four, but we know it’s not easy.

“We are strong at home, but I think we need to do better away. We started very well, changing our mentality to get more points away. But now we need to recover our confidence and performance.

“Also we know defensively we need to do better. We tried to play with three and two centre-backs. Be passionate, be calm but above all work.”

Away form is an odd one. It’s all in the head. I find it interesting that something like that can impact elite athletes, you’d kind of think they were a bit above that? I understand the butterflies might be on fire in Istanbul, but at Huddersfield this Saturday, I’d hope less so?

We take on bottom of the table Huddersfield. They recently agreed to part ways with the excellent David Wagner. He was replaced by Dortmund first-team coach, Jan Siewart. Not sure I can speak about him with any sort of knowledge, so I won’t even try and Google research him. Huddersfield take chances on managers in the same way I would, and it’s paid dividends for little investment.

I have my doubts they’ll have enough to take down Arsenal at the weekend. We have Mikhi coming back into the fold, which I would hope could give us a little more width and creativity from wide positions. However, it’s clear that the most important thing is to keep a clean sheet. The team really needs to get back to basics. We were overrun by Cardiff at home a few weeks ago, that’s not a good look.

Emery needs to get his season back on track, he needs to get him best players on the pitch and he needs to find a system that he can roll with for more than 24 minutes.

Finally, Hector B has dropped a fan TV channel. He’s talking about his surgery, sure, I love that, but be real, when is the high-end fashion chat dropping? I wanna see the latest Balenciaga sneakers I can’t by because I’m old. I want to know about OFF-White print shirts. I wanna know when the male sarong is coming back?

Good luck sir, and don’t get downbeat about the muppets in the comments.

JUST KIDDING GUYS, see you in the comments. x

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  1. qna

    “Despite conceding more goals, Arsenal are 5 points better off compared to last season.
    I’d say that’s an improvement.”

    First Hell freezes over due to the polar vortex and now Red is the positive one on here. FMD. I’m going to my bunker.

  2. Redtruth

    Upstate
    “Are you for real? Torreira, Guendouzi, Lichsteiner, and Leno all started and finished that game. I’ve seen some trolls before but you definitely take the cake.”

    You’re desperate expecting defensive players to shoot for goal when the forwards whose job it is were so inept…..lol…

  3. PhD2020

    Bamford10February 9, 2019 18:54:39
    ChampagneWell,I’m still looking for that post of gambon’s, but in the interim, I’ll list a few positive things Kroenke has done, IMO:1. He replaced Arsene Wenger (thank God!), when it was clear the latter was failing. 2. He showed a great deal of respect for, and deference toward, the above, which if he hadn’t, he would have gotten all kinds of shit for.
    ——
    So,let’s get this right.Wenger a millionaire bullshitted(your words earlier) Kroenke a billionaire(who has a sports portfolio) for almost a decade ?

    Kroenke showed more deference to Wenger over and beyond the call of duty-yes?
    In short,Kroenke (billionaire)put the interests of Arsene(millionaire) before the greater good of the club for almost 10 years-yes?

    Really?
    Not sure,many billionaires would agree with this sentiment-quite frankly,let alone owners of a SME.

  4. Upstate Gooner

    Red
    5 points better off

    First real factual thing you’ve said in a long, long time. Doesn’t change the fact that we suck, big time.

  5. Upstate Gooner

    Marko
    Wtf are you talking about? Red was saying that the loss to City was all due to Wenger signings. And I just pointed out that 4 players in the starting lineup had nothing to do with Wenger.

  6. omar

    Wenger last season had 45 points at this stage. Emery has 50. From game 27 to 38 Wenger won 6 and lost 6 to finish the season with 63 points. I dont think Emery is worse than Wenger as some are trying to make you believe.
    Southampton(H), Bournemouth(H), Spurs(A), Man United(H), Wolves(A), Newcastle(H), Everton(A), Watford(A), Palace(H), Leicester(A), Brighton(H) and Burnley(A).
    Some tight games but I can see us getting more points in our last 12 games this season than we did in our last 12 under Wenger.

  7. Champagne charlie

    1. He replaced Arsene Wenger (thank God!), when it was clear the latter was failing.

    2. He showed a great deal of respect for, and deference toward, the above, which if he hadn’t, he would have gotten all kinds of shit for.

    3. He has instituted a modern management/executive structure, incl. the creation of a DoF role (something Professor Dinosaur opposed). That is, he has helped to modernize and rationalize our management/executive structure.

    4. He has hired intelligent, competent, ambitious men to fill the various key management & executive roles.

    5. He has overseen the club while we have grown from £201 million in revenue (in 2007) to £388 million in revenue (in 2018). That’s nearly a doubling in revenue and size.

    6. In that time he has taken almost nothing out of the club, and the club has spent an enormous amount of money on both wages and transfer fees.

    I reposted the above as the page changed and it helps for reference.

    1. I’m afraid I don’t share the same view. You cannot on the one hand lambast the fact Wenger stayed on too long and praise the owner for finally ridding him. Good ownership would’ve resulted in Wenger being let go much sooner, and the depths we reached as a fan base/club last season was truly stunning so that takes any slither of “praise” away from the owner on this one quite frankly. The owner is always going to be one who dismisses a manager, as such it’s the timing that’s important and not the act itself.

    2. Not a positive, this was a basic offering of respect. Weird inclusion

    3/4. Again this is a matter we disagree on, the owner is always the one responsible for adopting change, and change is inevitable so its a question of when it was adopted, under what circumstances etc. Our change came at the base of a tremendously poisonous spiral of discontent, outrage, and apathy. It didn’t come through any foresight or progressive attitude. The competence of those involved is subject to deliverance still so that’s not suitably a positive at this stage for me, very much ‘let’s wait and see’. Sven for instance may argue your point here..

    5. Attributing Kroenke with the increased revenue? I’m not sure if that’s satirical, I sort of hope it is. If we scan Europe is that not a trend we’d see from any sizeable club operating in football landscape scaling in demand and wealth?

    6. Taking nothing out of the club isn’t a positive.

    Not a good list for my two cents, not at all. If you could tip your cap to Stans ONE involvement above all else what would you say that was? I’m asking genuinely as I’ve nothing to offer anyone when asked the same thing.

  8. vickingz

    I keep saying it and I stand by my word, Emery isn’t doing enough with these players. Just imagine today’s game, what if we lost? What positive could we have brought out of the game? Huddersfield had more possession for crying out loud and some posters think signing big players will automatically solve our problem. I doubt it

  9. PhD2020

    Bamford10February 9, 2019 18:54:39
    ChampagneWell,I’m still looking for that post of gambon’s, but in the interim, I’ll list a few positive things Kroenke has done,
    ————

    “1. He replaced Arsene Wenger (thank God!), when it was clear the latter was failing. ”

    -At the very least -5 years too late.

    “2. He showed a great deal of respect for, and deference toward, the above, which if he hadn’t, he would have gotten all kinds of shit for. ”

    -A billionaire putting the interests of a manager before the interests of the club.Plus being fearful of the fans for pulling the trigger on Arsene.
    That Kroenke is such a nice and wonderful guy.

    “3. He has instituted a modern management/executive structure, incl. the creation of a DoF role (something Professor Dinosaur opposed). That is, he has helped to modernize and rationalize our management/executive structure.”

    -Yep,albeit 5 years to late.Better late than never.I guess languishing in 6th place,means we will take a few years to get back into top 4.

    ‘4. He has hired intelligent, competent, ambitious men to fill the various key management & executive roles. ”

    -Time will tell.Bearing in mind,Sven was pushed out for whatever reason.So,the jury is still out-at least for the next few years,before we can make a rational assessment of whether the people hired are intelligent,competent and ambitious.

    5. He has overseen the club while we have grown from £201 million in revenue (in 2007) to £388 million in revenue (in 2018). That’s nearly a doubling in revenue and size.

    -What use is that,if we have been languishing out of the top 4 for almost 3 years now.

    “6. In that time he has taken almost nothing out of the club, and the club has spent an enormous amount of money on both wages and transfer fees.”

    -Now,he has full control,how do you know he won’t take anything out of the club?
    Yes,we’ve misappropiated the money foolishly-who oversaw that?Who signed off the deals and approved the wages?

  10. Upstate Gooner

    Red
    You’re desperate expecting defensive players to shoot for goal when the forwards whose job it is were so inept.

    I expect my defensive players to defend. And I expect the manager to make better substitutions than Mavrapanos for Mustafi when we’re down 3 goals to 1 after 70+ minutes. Offense (I assume you’re talking strikers) can only so much without any creativity up front. Here’s a thought, Ozil was on the bench. So yeah, I didn’t expect guys like Lichsteiner shoot at goal but I certainly didn’t expect Mavrapanos do it either.

  11. Bamford10

    Champagne

    Still looking for that post of gambon’s, but the question itself is sophistic.

    When I asked you what positives the previous ownership contributed, you said: “they oversaw Wenger’s successful years”. This is tantamount to admitting they did nothing save that they happened to be watching over the club when Wenger was ahead of many of his competitors in England. You didn’t point to anything ownership did during this time; all you pointed to, really, is what WENGER did.

    Right, and if Stan Kroenke happened to have been owner in those first ten years, he too would have “overseen” all of that success. Would that have made him a good owner? No, he would have been the exact same owner he has been since 2007. Hands off, let the football men make the football decisions.

    The question is bogus, the argument is bogus.

  12. TR7

    ‘5. He has overseen the club while we have grown from £201 million in revenue (in 2007) to £388 million in revenue (in 2018). That’s nearly a doubling in revenue and size.’

    That’s mostly down to EPL becoming more and more lucrative rather, kind of a natural secular growth that all the top clubs have seen in last decade. Stan has had little to do with it. If anything some credit goes to Wenger for keeping us in top 4 for 8 of these 11 years.

  13. Upstate Gooner

    Red
    My point is that I don’t see any improvement under Emery, is all. We’re still in sixth place, we can still score goals when we fancy it, and our defense still sucks, maybe even more so than it did under Wenger. You can argue all you want but those are actual facts that you seem to like so much even though tend to steer off course every once in a while.

  14. TR7

    ‘6. Taking nothing out of the club isn’t a positive.’

    Well if not for an uproar by fans Stan would have continued charging ‘ consultancy fee’ every year. Takes some spin to paint it as a virtue. All the 6 arguments are bogus.

  15. Charlie George

    Isn’t it a simple case – of not comparing Emery ‘s Arsenal to Wengers appalling last season or stating we have a chance of top 4- but just to: WHERE THE HELL ARE WE GOING- with this non descript man.

    In boxing parlance

    We have gone from an ageing punch drunk heavyweight in Wenger to an innocuous diffident, glass-chinned flyweight in Emery…

    And yet he still has his backers…on here..

  16. Champagne charlie

    “Right, and if Stan Kroenke happened to have been owner in those first ten years, he too would have “overseen” all of that success. Would that have made him a good owner? No, he would have been the exact same owner he has been since 2007. Hands off, let the football men make the football decisions.The question is bogus, the argument is bogus.“

    If Stan had employed the right people that then led to the club living some of its most decorated and historic moments as a football entity then there would be no questioning of him.

    You’re unbelievably entrenched in this weird notion an owner has no say at a club!? Wtf?

    Isn’t it self-explanatory that navigating a club from Graham (who was tremendous), through something of a mess, to Wenger (best we’ve had) shows competent leadership and attention to Arsenal football clubs prosperous future vision?

    I know you’re desperate to write it off as if they ‘did the same as Stan and got lucky’, but that’s just fallacious at very best. Stan’s a good owner when we’re setup for success, he’s a bad owner when we’re not. So overseeing a decline has him very much in the category of ‘bad’ owner until such time as he changes that through his own leadership, or delegated hiring of the right people (which you hopefully allude to).

    I’m saying, as are others, that to date he’s offered nothing positive. You’ve not argued against that well enough for me.

  17. Bamford10

    TR7

    What did previous ownership do — please don’t point to Wenger’s accomplishments, btw, or to Graham’s — that current ownership has not done or is not doing? What kinds of things are you lot even looking for here, exactly?

  18. Chris

    Charlie George

    It’s pretty much only here and on Twitter where people want Emery sacked. And maybe some of the morons on Arsenal Fan TV. Says a lot really. I think most sensible people can see things aren’t quite right yet but also realise it won’t happen overnight. And in the mean time we WON today and are a point back from top four. Your Emery bashing is interminable.

  19. Champagne charlie

    Banford

    Wenger and Graham we’re the accomplishments you donut. Leadership is precisely that, it’s recruiting the right people to bring a vision to life. WE had Graham who did fantastic for the club, but then we were tasked with finding the ‘next Graham’ in terms of success.

    The fact we made the right moves and negotiated our way to Wenger is testament to the people above being switched onto the needs and desires of the club and fans. Stan hasn’t displayed this one iota, how are you missing this?

    If he was engaged he would’ve been alert to Wenger waning from circa 2010. He would’ve surrounded himself with smarter men and woman than himself in football and adjudged the future under then current wenger. He didn’t he let the gravy train continue and has only addressed matters when it’s been forced upon him. Peng leadership that is not.

  20. Redtruth

    Upstate

    You’re deluded, we are under transition at the moment…You are expecting a marked improvement even though we finished a distant 6th lol lol lol

  21. Upstate Gooner

    Parma vs Inter (my team in Serie A) – Gervinho sighting. Btw, Spalletti is someone I would absolutely love at Arsenal. Only 16 goals conceded so far, second only to Juve’s 15. Now that’s a manager who recognizes that you need to build from the back. Imagine him drilling our defense, and not having just Icardi scoring goals.

  22. Marko

    Yeah I’m not sure previous ownership had the right people either considering some of these people sought out convincing others to sell to Kroenke and there was penny pinching before he got involved it’s not like investment ceased once Stan got involved. Couple with the fact that once Dein left Wenger insisted on running the club himself. Also the overseeing declining stuff when we were already declining. Look he’s a shit owner sure but I feel like certain types are more than happy to blame him for some of the stuff Wenger was responsible for. Though they won’t admit it. Dream scenario would be to be rid of them both but that’s not going to happen.

  23. Champagne charlie

    “Look he’s a shit owner sure but I feel like certain types are more than happy to blame him for some of the stuff Wenger was responsible for. Though they won’t admit it. “

    No, this is your typical outlook on matters discussed on here. Your take sides, play a blame game, look to jump in and make a remark here or there.

    Alex mentioned Kroenke today in terms of his influence to date, I’ve said my piece, and it’s been defended by Banford. Nothing more or less to it so wipe your arse and cut the stirring.

  24. Bamford10

    Champagne

    One, I’ve never argued that Kroenke offers positives per se; my argument has always been that he isn’t a negative — i.e., that he wasn’t to blame for Wenger’s failures, that he is hands off, that he allows the football men to make the footballing decisions, that he doesn’t restrict what they can spend, that he is not some snake who doesn’t care about Arsenal succeeding.

    Two, so previous ownership steered us from Graham to Wenger, with a hiccup or two in between. Who is to say that current ownership is not doing the exact same thing? No one, because we are seven months in to the process of moving on from Arsene Wenger. No one can say that current ownership is not trying (with all of their wherewithal) to succeed, and no one can say that they are not doing everything they can to ensure a smart transition to Arsenal’s next winning manager. If Emery isn’t the man for the job, well then, won’t this be a lot like the appointment of Rioch? If so, then current ownership is doing no worse than the previous.

    If they continue to bungle the manager question, or if they seem indifferent to Arsenal succeeding, THEN you will have some evidence, then you will have an argument. But as of right now, you don’t. You just have your antipathy.

  25. Upstate Gooner

    Red
    Am I somehow out of line to expect any sort of improvement? Isn’t it why Wenger was sacked? Clubs fire their managers all the time, do they do it just for fun? They want results. I want the same. To sack one guy who couldn’t sort out his defense and finished sixth, and hire another one who does the same is staying still, not going forward, and that’s what fans, including myself, want to see. For me, if Emery delivers CL football next season, he deserves another shot. If not, I’d like to see someone else take charge.

  26. Bamford10

    Champagne

    Right, so previous ownership found Graham or found Wenger. But not without making a “mistake” or two first. No one gets everything right the very first time. FFS, look at Liverpool. It’s not like Klopp is the first manager they hired.

    So until current ownership bungles decision after decision — and you can’t even say yet that they’ve bungled this one — or until they demonstrate that they are not interested in seeing Arsenal compete, you don’t really have an argument. Sorry.

  27. Upstate Gooner

    CC
    LOL. Gervinho doesn’t change. A bit of trickery here and there but no finished product. Kind of like Iwobi.

  28. Marko

    Yeah inter are struggling for goals though. Spent a bit too if we’re honest. He’s a decent manager though. Not an obvious improvement on Emery. Spent 200 million in his 2 seasons recouped about 140 though. Spent about 160 million on defensive players in two seasons. Fuck me you’d expect some level of improvement on the defence with that kind of investment

  29. TR7

    Bamford

    ‘ What kinds of things are you lot even looking for here, exactly?’

    Stan fiddled while AFC burnt. We kept losing top players year after year strengthening our rivals, never did Stan bother. Never did he care to infuse funds, rather used ‘self sustainable model’ as a shield/excuse for not investing. Had kept a strict wage policy during most of his reign leading to us missing out on top players. Our revenue from commercials and sponsership is still significantly less than our rivals. Did not help us reduce our debt burden. Did nothing really.

  30. bennydevito

    Bamford,

    Upstate said Emery is a fraud because he poses as other people namely a clown and a vampire.

    Seeing as I am yet to see him in a clown suit or fake fangs and a cape I have absolutely no idea what he’s going on about.

  31. Champagne charlie

    “One, I’ve never argued that Kroenke offers positives per se; my argument has always been that he isn’t a negative “

    This is you looking for a semantic duck and roll (not Chinese).

    “If they continue to bungle the manager question, or if they seem indifferent to Arsenal succeeding, THEN you will have some evidence, then you will have an argument. But as of right now, you don’t. You just have your antipathy”

    Not entirely wrong, but enough for my view to very much be valid. The previous ownership oversaw transition from *Great, to not so much, to Great* and as such they had the faith of the fans because we knew what good looked like under their stewardship. Mistakes, poor decisions etc are always par for the course along the way in these matters, but it’s the confidence in knowing that the right outcome is still envisaged for the endgame. THIS is the point Stan lacks.

    He’s presided over slow decline, he’s not shown the competence to keep us atop or get us atop of anything in his entire tenure to date. With that said the antipathy of him manoeuvring us into a new phase, where future success is a realistic achievement, is valid. He couldn’t recognise decline in such obvious terms by the end, so why should any fan show faith for that same man to steer us to success beyond that? It’s a polarising view.

    I’d love to sit and feel content that Stan is well on the way to re-establishing us as challengers, but what points to that in his Arsenal tenure so far? hardly the fact he didn’t take money out the club etc.

  32. Bamford10

    TR7

    Nah, that’s nonsense. He believed in Wenger, and he entrusted much if not all of those things to Wenger. Wenger failed, and it took Kroenke too long to see that Wenger was not only falling but that he was incapable of doing what he thought he was capable of doing. So that is on Kroenke. But only that.

    Most of what you are laying at Kroenke’s feet belongs to Wenger.

  33. Charlie George

    Chris
    “” Says a lot really. I think most sensible people can see things aren’t quite right yet”””

    We don’t want sensible. We want innovation and we want to be bold!

    Reading and Swansea do sensible!

    We are Arsenal.
    We are unique.
    We are Pioneers- from Chapman to Wenger .
    The Emery way ain’t The Arsenal Way.

    Read Herbert Chapman’s biography
    And then you can decide of Emerys your man!

  34. Marko

    Your take sides, play a blame game, look to jump in and make a remark here or there.

    That’s literally what you do. You have taken a side you blame Stan (for overseeing the decline though already declining) and you jumped in on a discussion between Bam and Alex. I mean am I wrong here. Also you continue to dodge the decline stuff he took over in 06 we stopped competing for the league 3 seasons prior. There’s one recurrence in our decline and it’s Arsene Wenger. Now the onus is on Stan’s hires to correct things. That will take time. Time you don’t have

  35. Upstate Gooner

    Benny
    Lighten up, dude. That bit was meant as a joke obviously. Point was that he poses as someone he is clearly not, a football manager. Maybe real Emery was abducted by aliens.

  36. James.wood

    Huddersfield shots on target -6
    Arsenal……………………………………….-4

    Huddersfield shots ………………..15
    Arsenal …………………….-……………….9.
    Abysmal stats from us against the bottom of the table.
    The 3 points being welcomed.

  37. PhD2020

    Bamford10February 9, 2019 19:44:33
    What did previous ownership do — please don’t point to Wenger’s accomplishments, btw, or to Graham’s —
    —————
    Can’t believe this -I’m stupified by what I’ve just read!!

    Absolutely incredible…

    Right,I’m off…

  38. Champagne charlie

    “I mean am I wrong here“

    Marko you should save yourself a bit of time and just assume you are on most things. This case is no different.

    I’m not remotely similar to you, please don’t even go there. I’ve not jumped in on anything to take sides, I have an opinion on a football subject and have spent time arguing the merits of that.

    I’m not siding with particular folk, or against particular folk, i’m not responding half-cocked, or looking opportunistically for when someone trips up so I can act the jester. That’s you, go ahead and be you, just away from me if you don’t mind.

  39. Chris

    Charlie George

    You misunderstand. Most sensible fans can see that it will take longer than 8 months to turn things around completely, whilst fully acknowledging that we are witnessing some worrying performances and decisions. I doubt you will find many people completely satisfied with Emery’s performance thus far. I’m certainly not.

    Your personal feelings towards him is clouding your sensibility. I suggest you go watch Fever Pitch of the Invincibles dvd on Repeat until after the summer of 2020. He may be gone at that point. I doubt he will before. Your banging on a drum nobody else is hearing.

  40. Paulinho

    “Wenger is testament to the people above being switched onto the needs and desires of the club and fans.”

    Well up until the last season of Wenger’s tenure Kroenke would’ve been met with rounds of “One Arsene Wenger” on the rare occasion he ventured to the Emirates. So by keeping him on for as long as he did, he was very much switched on the sentiment expressed by match-goers up until the 2017/18 season.

  41. TR7

    ‘He believed in Wenger, and he entrusted much if not all of those things to Wenger. Wenger failed, and it took Kroenke too long to see that Wenger was not only falling but that he was incapable of doing what he thought he was capable of doing. So that is on Kroenke. But only that.’

    Gross oversimplification ! Blame Wenger for what he was culpable of but this black and white approach by a few people on here is nonsensical.

  42. Pierre

    Kosielny and Monreal had decent games today..kosielny ‘s positional play was spot on, monreal looks back to full fitness.

    Arsenal as a team surrender possession way too easily , the possession stat was 68% in favour of Huddersfield at one stage in the 2nd half which is unacceptable, we will never control a game without possession of the ball.

    We looked sharp whenever we did have the ball in the final third , Mhkitaryan movement and intelligence made a difference..iwobi was iwobi .

    I actually think Saurez did what the game needed when he came on , kept it simple and passed to a team mate, look composed on the ball… .impossible to judge him until he is given a real chance to impress.

    We have to find a way to impose ourselves on the game in the 2nd half ..we appear to go into a shell and are never on the front foot.
    We struggled to get out of our own half and it ultimately puts too much pressure on the defence.

  43. PhD2020

    CC &TR7

    Save yourself the energy and trouble-You will be here all night just going round in circles.Not worth it..

    I don’t know why I get involved if I’m being honest.It’s just all garbled b/s on that guy’s part.You get more sense out of watching a bird perched on a tree, sqawking in order to locate it’s mate or flock.You can see from a mile off-what’s what.

    Have a good evening once again.

  44. Champagne charlie

    Paulinho

    Don’t take a remark so literally in order to try and counter it or undermine the premise of the argument. If Kroenke had surrounded himself with the right people he would’ve been questioning Wenger from circa 2010.

    He didn’t do that because he’s a shit owner, one who’s valued the personal wealth generated from Arsenal over being interested in unifying a vision that saw us compete among the very best.

  45. Redtruth

    I’m not bothered whether we finish 2nd or 10th as only winning titles matter.
    And winning titles can only be delivered by huge investment regardless of who is manager.

  46. Champagne charlie

    PhD, you’re probably right on this one as the stock ‘dismantling’ of the argument presented is under way. A tactic so often seen on here when the subject can’t be reasonably argued. Alas, my feet are up and i’m chilling so all is well. Best to you also!

  47. Un na naai

    I’m not siding with particular folk, or against particular folk, i’m not responding half-cocked, or looking opportunistically for when someone trips up so I can act the jester. That’s you, go ahead and be you, just away from me if you don’t mind.

    Baaaaaaaahahahahahaaaaaa

  48. TR7

    Phd

    ‘I don’t know why I get involved if I’m being honest’

    That’s exactly what I think everytime I engage with Bamford. Perhaps it’s the certitude with which he spreads falsehoods/makes claims that coaxes me in to countering them.

    Good evening ! I hope you are doing well.

  49. bennydevito

    To think we could have signed Hazard but Wenger thought Gervinho would be the better option.

    Obviously after watching him on Star Trek the next generation he thought he’d be useful on a football pitch.

    The writing was very much on the wall back then and alarm bells were deafening.

  50. Paulinho

    Charlie – You didn’t see a problem with Wenger being manager at the start of the 16/17 season – it was transfer policy/personnel the issue in your eyes(delighted with Xhaka, unhappy we didn’t get Higuain). If you are criticising Kroenke for not getting the wheels in motion for removing Wenger back on 2010, I would’ve expected his dismissal to be front and centre of your concerns by that time. Shouting it from the roof tops. But it wasn’t and you weren’t. So the question I would ask you is, why was that?

  51. bennydevito

    Kronke’s only concern was Arsenal operating on a self sustaining model that kept hitting top 4 and bringing in the Champions league money, he had no need to intervene until then.

    As soon as we fell out 2 years running Wenger got the boot proving very much that he does have his eye on the ball.

    I guarantee that if we don’t hit top 4 during the 2 years of Emery’s contract he won’t get it renewed and another manager will be brought in.

  52. Bamford10

    Charlie

    I fail to see how you can say that if Kroenke had been listening to the right people, he would have dismissed Wenger in 2011, when you yourself were open to retaining Wenger as late as the summer of 2017.

    You said in these very pages in the summer of 2017 that if you had to choose between the two (Wenger or Kroenke) you would choose to retain Wenger because when he was last “held accountable,” he had been winning trophies. This means that you thought Wenger was still capable of winning trophies. Well, then you and Stan Kroenke were apparently of the same view, and I fail to see how you are in any position to criticize the man.

  53. PhD2020

    Bamford10February 9, 2019 20:12:06
    Most of what you are laying at Kroenke’s feet belongs to Wenger.
    ——-
    Total bollocks.

    Yes Arsene was culpable on the footballing front.He made the decisions with regards to players he wanted,tactics,substitutions,formations,,etc,etc..

    Kroenke was culpable for overseeing the demise under Arsene’s stewardship as manager.

    There is also the small matter of Gazidis,which of recent ,you have now changed tack and agreed(albeit rather late in the day) that he was partly to blame in the machinations of the club.When previously,you resolutely claimed -that ‘Gazidis was towing the company line and was a paid suit.’

    Funny,how now you resolutely defend Kroenke.I wonder how long for?
    Before you quietly slip back into the shadows and say nothing ,when all becomes readily apparent in the fullness of time.

    At the end of the day,there were many actors culpable for our malaise.To reduce Kroenke’s to simply one of-“His one and only mistake was to keep Arsene on for far too long”-is a gross oversimplification of events,in order to suit your viewpoint as per usual.

    Anyone ,long and short of it is-Arsene was an employee-Kroenke is an employer.He oversaw or rather presided over the shit feast.So,it was his duty to pull the trigger.Not hesisitate,out of fear from the backlash of fans or due to sentiment or deference to a paid employee.

    It’s a business not a benevolent foundation.

  54. Champagne charlie

    Paulinho

    I could still think Wenger is right man for the job, it has zero relevance when discussing Stan Kroenke and what he should’ve been wise to. If you think angling a retort to frame me as ‘for Wenger’ during whatever period serves to belittle the point being made you’re wrong.

    Stan is majority’s shareholder of the club, not Dan and Tom from the local who follow the Arsenal. He has a duty of care to be the most informed of anyone at the club as to the competency of X,Y, or Z. By not being as such he failed in his role whether or not Dan and Tom are still cheering in hope for Wenger down the pub.

    I desperately wanted Pep at Arsenal so there’s one case of me wanting Wenger replaced in what? 2012/2013? Why didn’t Stan want the best manager on the planet?

  55. bennydevito

    Yes and Kronke’s business was letting Arsenal run itself as a self sustaining model that kept getting top 4. As soon as it was obvious after 2 years of failure it was never going to happen again under Wenger he got the boot.

    Pretty simple really.

    Well done Kronke.

  56. Bamford10

    TR7

    One, please identify one “falsehood” I have “spread,” guy.

    Two, you told us that you have been posting here since 2010, but you have yet to tell us which moniker/s you used to post under. Is there some reason you’re not being up front about this?

    (And by the way, let’s just note that the guy you’re commiserating with above has been binned at least once because he is a bit of a lunatic.)

  57. Champagne charlie

    “You said in these very pages in the summer of 2017 that if you had to choose between the two (Wenger or Kroenke) you would choose to retain Wenger because when he was last “held accountable,” he had been winning trophies. This means that you thought Wenger was still capable of winning trophies.“

    Predictable as you like. I answered Paulinho above with much of what applies here, he is also keen to hold me (and any other fan) to the same standard as the majority shareholding owner of the club. Go figure.

    No it didn’t mean ‘i thought Wenger was capable of winning trophies’, as you’ll recall I was against your assertion that he was ‘absolutely not capable under a new owner’ – to which I cited our previous ownership where he was in fact successful.

    That conversation was a basic one, who would you get rid of if given the choice: Wenger or Kroenke. I said Kroenke a thousands times over because we’d had no success under him and at least we had previously under Wenger which proved him capable (at some point). It was also based upon a simple concept:

    1) get rid of Kroenke and replace with better which would mean Wenger changed for the better or got replaced.

    2) replace wenger, and allow the guy incapable of recognising his waning efforts to pick a successor and go forth.

    Easy decision for me, and I’d make the same one again and again and again because I don’t absolve blame from the very head of the football club. I believe it start at the top and trickles down the hierarchy

  58. PhD2020

    Bamford10February 9, 2019 20:52:52
    CharlieYou said in these very pages in the summer of 2017 that if you had to choose between the two (Wenger or Kroenke) you would choose to retain Wenger because when he was last “held accountable,” he had been winning trophies. This means that you thought Wenger was still capable of winning trophies. Well, then you and Stan Kroenke were apparently of the same view, and I fail to see how you are in any position to criticize the man.
    ——-

    Total bollocks again..

    Now,you are deliberately misrepresenting facts and trying to spout falsehoods.

    I remember CC’s comments.What he was alluding to,was the notion,that if Arsene was held accountable under a different owner,who set a vision,targets-then maybe Arsene would or could show if he had a title or two in him.
    That statement by CC was made under the condition(s),or premise of having a different owner -a more ambitious one,where Arsene would not have carte blanche to do as he likes.This was the gist of his argument.

    You are something else.Horrible man-you are!!Calling you duplicitous,would be paying you a compliment.

    I really need to go.I can foresee where this is going.

  59. PhD2020

    TR7February 9, 2019 20:44:49

    I’m well.Going to catch an early night hopefully.Busy day ahead tomorrow.
    Will be interesting to see how the Man City vs Chelsea game pans out.

    Have a good one.You should do a guest post on the financials.Would be awesome..

    PS
    I should heed my own advice.Not bite. 🙂

  60. Champagne charlie

    PhD, hah breathe mate don’t let it stress you. Tomorrow’s game should be interesting, hoping City win because Liverpool don’t need any help this year and I can’t bear the thought of that lot winning

  61. Paulinho

    Charlie – So would you admit your view/criticisms of Kroenke are shaped by a large dollop of retrospective hindsight, considering you didn’t hold the same view at the time/s you(now) think Wenger should’ve been removed? You can answer that without referring to Kroenke.

    Wanting Guardiola doesn’t mean you think Wenger leaving was necessary. You saw it as an upgrade, not as a necessity. Kroenke was supposedly to have known it was a necessity as early as 2010.

  62. PhD2020

    Champagne charlieFebruary 9, 2019 21:09:44
    PhD, hah breathe mate don’t let it stress you. Tomorrow’s game should be interesting, hoping City win because Liverpool don’t need any help this year and I can’t bear the thought of that lot winning
    —–
    I get your resentment towards Liverpool. 🙂
    But it would be interesting to see Man City win the EPL title on the one hand.Can’t remember the last time a club won the EPL back-2-back?Probably under SAF right?Might be wrong.That being the case,it would be interesting to see how Pepe copes next season defending the title(should they win it) and how he fares in the CL-both this season and next. Surely,if he wins it this season,he’s going all out for the CL next season.

    On the other hand seeing Liverpool win it under Klopp,would be interesting,in part ,of how they push on next season.Winning it again?Makes for a more interesting EPL campaign this season and next also. And more to the point,how Pepe responds.

    As for Chelsea,they need to sort their manager out.Think they missed a trick with Conte.

    Anyway,I’m probably just rambling at this point,as the brain has switched off for the night..

  63. Champagne charlie

    “Kroenke was supposedly to have known it was a necessity as early as 2010.“

    No, he should’ve been finger on the pulse and known things were stagnating from around this mark onward. The fact it took a further 8 years serves to suggest he wasn’t.

    “So would you admit your view/criticisms of Kroenke are shaped by a large dollop of retrospective hindsight, considering you didn’t hold the same view at the time/s you(now) think Wenger should’ve been removed?”

    No, because i’ve never been privy to the information of an owner so I was always more reserved in what action I wanted based entirely on there being a grey area I couldn’t feasibly know for sure. Which isn’t to say i’d have been the same way with the luxuries afforded to Stan. My view of Stan then was the same now in as much as he was far too disengaged with Arsenal and it was impossible to understand at what level he was involved in making us better given very few changes were made at that period.

    It was a conflicting one at that point because as much as I wanted to see “old-Wenger” revcover his sauce and reinvent us finally post-Highbury, I wasn’t sure if we were being limited financially and my expectations were unrealistic ergo I was asking too much from Wenger at that moment in time. Stan was privy to this info, there’s no grey area or unknown element which could’ve clouded his assessment.

    I don’t believe it’s as simple as there being a date whereby Wenger needed to be removed either. My belief is that a more engaged owner would’ve let less of the club run under the control of Wenger and his input wouldn’t have been dilute to the degree it was by serving as various different heads of the club. I alluded to this answering Banfords list of positives where he mentioned us developing a modern approach. So as I say (to keep it brief…ish), I can’t say for sure that if the club was reworked in 2010 that Wenger wouldn’t have been a competent enough manager (solely) to deliver more from 2010 to 2018.

    Basically I’ve never had the info Stan has, so the comparison to me is weak. I was always hoping for more, and uncertain to what degree X or Y was holding us back. Romantically I’m sure I gave Wenger too much leeway, but that would make me wrong and vindicate Stan in no way whatsoever. So I don’t see the validity in what you’re saying frankly. It’s apples to oranges from where I sit. If I was sat in Stan’s chair i’d have a vastly different view than I do today, as would you or anyone else. So judge those for the view they have and don’t compare would be my suggestion here.

    Sorry for the word soup.

  64. Bamford10

    Charlie

    What information did Kroenke have access to that you did not? Given that you know something about football — based on the tenor of your commentary, I’d say you seem to think you know a great deal about football — doesn’t this mean you were actually better-positioned than Stan Kroenke to make a judgment about Wenger? If you thought Wenger was still potentially capable of winning titles — you said this, after all — why is it that Kroenke should not have thought the same? Again, what information did he have access to that you did not? Please explain.

  65. Champagne charlie

    Banford

    Seriously? What information did the majority owner of the club have over a fan?

    The operations of the club, the responsibilities of those employed (without speculation), the finances and where they were designated/anticipated, the short/med/long term plan of the club etc.

    All of the above in detail no fan could ever dream of. Stupid question if you ask me, but from your engagement on here i’m certain you’re poised ready to look for any slither of a counter-argument to pounce on and this is you fishing.

  66. Paulinho

    “Romantically I’m sure I gave Wenger too much leeway, but that would make me wrong and vindicate Stan in no way whatsoever.”

    Fair enough.

    Back at the time you’re referring to (2010) I wanted Wenger sacked, but I also realised Kroenke was in an awkward spot. If he had sacked Wenger he would’ve got absolute pelters from every angle, fans, pundits etc, and at that point (and for a while after) Wenger was getting into the champions league so not necessarily ‘failing’, even if the rot was setting in. Meanwhile, on his vaunts back to the US Kroenke would’ve had Billy Beane telling him what a genius Wenger was, so while it’s clear to everyone know that Kroenke should’ve removed Wenger long ago, it’s all too easy to remove the context of the time and general prevailing opinion.

    Same with Emery now, if Kroenke sacked him you would probably open a bottle of bubbly, but most of the football world would find it entirely unreasonable. Even if sacking him now proved to to be the right decision in the future.

  67. Champagne charlie

    Paulinho

    I don’t mean to sound like these decisions were by any means easy to initiate and follow through with, I totally get your point there. I’m merely of the view that Stan failed in his duty to be ‘on the ball’ and cognisant of precisely what he needed to be in order to progress the football club. Being a visionary and progressive isn’t easy, I appreciate that believe me, but intending to be preparing for such is a basic requirement of which Stan hasn’t shown.

    I’m not calling for Emery to be sacked, I don’t think it would be smart to do that mid-season. I’m simply against any commentary that suggests he can’t be judged in terms of progress, I think he can be, and I don’t think it’s favourable so far. My big issue is I’ve no clue what Arsenal/Stan want of Emery, or even the next 3 years. We’re totally void of leadership, and that’s above Emery i’m talking.

  68. bennydevito

    HillWood,

    Yep, exactly, that’s what I’ve been saying. Kronke had no need to micro manage everything because he trusted the board, Chief Exec and Wenger to run the club just like they did before he bought them. Once it became obvious the top 4 gravy train had derailed Kronke acted and got rid.

    Really odd how some are struggling to grasp this very simple concept.

  69. Bamford10

    Champagne

    Yes, I’m well aware that the owner would have access to all sorts of information that you would not have access to, but I don’t think any of that info would help one answer the question: is Wenger still capable of competing for or winning a title? I think that that comes down to watching the man’s teams, listening to the man talk about the game, looking at the decisions he made re personnel, tactics, etc. You had access to all of this, and unlike Stan Kroenke, you know something about football.

    So, sorry, but I remain unconvinced that you are in any position to criticize Stan Kroenke. You thought Wenger was still potentially capable of winning things, and so did he. The difference is that you know something about football.

  70. Bamford10

    Champagne

    “My big issue is I’ve no clue what Arsenal/Stan want of Emery, or even the next 3 years.”

    Ummm, they’ve been pretty clear on this: CL football. Then upward from there.

    You are on much better ground when you criticize Emery and say that, based on what we’ve seen so far, you are unclear about what he is trying to do. That’s a much better point.

  71. bennydevito

    https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11743/11633007/eddie-howe-argues-the-case-for-var-after-liverpools-opening-goal-against-bournemouth

    Liverpool getting yet more jammy dodgy decisions their way.

    I’m really looking forward to VAR next season, having it in Rugby & Tennis shows how great it is and I for one can’t wait for football to be dragged kicking and screaming into the digital age where can finally rid the game of terrible decisions, offsides, handballs and cheating.

    About time.

  72. Champagne charlie

    Banford

    If you’re well aware then you wouldn’t have asked such a redundant question.

    Also, you’re suggesting that the average football fan knows as much about the competency of a manger as the owner of the football club even after acknowledging the owner is privy to details no fan ever would be – details that undoubtedly influence an informed decision on what the manager is offering.

    So i’d spend a bit less time remarking about what I should or shouldn’t say as far as content goes on here. Especially as you’ve spent much of the day tripping over yourself and unceremoniously swinging at numerous posters as you tied yourself in knots.

  73. Marko

    Back at the time you’re referring to (2010) I wanted Wenger sacked, but I also realised Kroenke was in an awkward spot

    I’d say. 4 years into owning Arsenal and he was expected to sack a popular manager who was there 14 years? Not going to happen. I thought you made an interesting point Paulinho back then there wasn’t enough people asking questions of Wenger and in 2019 to criticize the vacant owner for not doing something back then is ludicrous. I think the FA Cup win against Chelsea is another example. Literally the first game Stan goes to that season and we play well (on the rare occasion) and the fans chant Arsene’s name and we’re to be shocked he was given a new deal? What’s the idiot American watching soccer ball to think.

  74. Pierre

    Bennydevito
    “I’m really looking forward to VAR next season, having it in Rugby & Tennis shows how great it is and I for one can’t wait for football to be dragged kicking and screaming into the digital age where can finally rid the game of terrible decisions, offsides, handballs and cheating.”

    Shame it wasn’t introduced a few years back as it was reported that Arsenal would have been crowned league champions the year Leicester won the league…

  75. bennydevito

    Pierre,

    Agreed. I read a stat somewhere that for a number of years we have had the most offsides, bad tackles and other such decisions go against us than any other team.

  76. Bamford10

    Charlie

    “If you’re well aware, then you wouldn’t have asked such a redundant question.”

    Except that wasn’t the question I was asking. Obviously. The issue we were discussing was Kroenke’s decision re Wenger, and your claim was that Kroenke had access to information that you did not. When I asked, “what info did he have that you did not?,” I was obviously asking about information that would help one determine if Wenger was still capable of competing for titles, not information about the club’s inner workings in general.

    Everything else you said after that was equally dishonest and even more meaningless.

  77. Pierre

    Bennydevito
    The penalty stats regarding Arsenal are proof enough that we have been on the end of too many dodgy decisions the last 10/12 years or so.

  78. bennydevito

    Has anybody considered that should Ole G not get the job permanently at Utd next season that we should go for him to replace Emery?

    Afterall, many in here seem to think he is a tactical genius who has completely turned Utd around, and those same people think the Utd squad is no better than ours, so Ole G should have no trouble getting us into the top 4 with no money spent.

    He’s proven himself more than Arteta has so if he doesn’t get the Utd job shouldn’t we be calling for him to replace Emery?

    Incidentally I’ve tweeted a survey on Twitter as to who should replace Emery in the summer:

    Arteta
    Ole G
    Vieira
    Emery stays

    https://twitter.com/BennydevitoBen/status/1094375213272322049?s=19

    Will be interesting to see what the Twittersphere has to say about it.

  79. G8

    Funny that people demanding flair and style of play yet at the same time defending the likes of AMN.!.total hypocrisy !
    He is too careless and too dumb to play at this level..

    Bring back jenko or even play gunnersaurus!

    Same thing, when you have serial bottlers and losers like Mustafi, iowbe, kola, mikhi, and Elneny, you don’t ask for style, you pray for a miracle!

  80. bennydevito

    Ian Wright on Motd pointing out that Iwobi is improving and showing promising signs of potential.

    Well said Wrighty!

    What the hell was Kolasinac doing?

    Mihkitaryan looked good and seems to have brought some good play to our attack.

    Leno with some good saves and Kozzer with some good tackling and cutting out chances.

    Good signs of improvement.

    Southampton at home really should be another 3 points.

    Things are looking good.

  81. Bob N16

    Like your positivity Benny, onwards and upwards.

    Love readability no your work CC. Bamford give up, you’re making yourself look whiny.

  82. Champagne charlie

    Appreciate that Bob, I talk a lot of shite when given the night off so I’m glad it was legible in places 😀

  83. bennydevito

    Cheers Bob N16,

    Last couple of days have been tough, both my girls with awful sickness bugs, my youngest just been up puking again.

    Me & my boy iron stomachs so far!

    We weren’t great today there’s no disputing that but we’ve now won more points away from home than all of last season to add to more victories away than last season already too.

    Mihkitaryan back in the side and he looked good, Iwobi too improving I think. Lacazette with a great finish. Fuck only knows what Kolasinac was playing at, literally looked around, looked up and kicked it in the net – somebody should check the bookies and see what the odds were for 2 – 1 and Kolasinac own goal….

    Anybody with any info on Ozil today? Same bug as Aubameyang or just dropped? Not even on the bench.

    Don’t we think it’s time that Emery tells us what the hall’s going on and why he’s wasting £350k of Arsenal’s money week in week out?

    I might tweet him and ask him.

  84. Pierre

    Have to say that it’s a bit concerning that Huddersfield had 15 shots to our 9 and we never managed one corner.

    I do think we were playing on the counter attack yesterday and it worked to a degree but we again allowed the opposition to dominate us for almost the whole of the 2nd half.

    It’s like we need to go back to school to learn how to take care of the ball. .Having the best running stats is all well and good but are we having to put in the extra leg work due to our inability to retain possession.

    For the last 20 years Arsenal have been a team who were very good at taking care of the ball , now we look like a side who treat the ball like a hot potato.

    Surely our manager understands that retaining possession allows the defence some breathing space.
    The players have forgotten how to control a game of football.

    We have 4 of the easiest fixtures one could wish for coming up ….Bate home and away , Southampton home and Bournemouth home .

    These are perfect games for Arsenal to refine their game, to ‘re learn his to keep possession , let the ball do the work and make the opposition Chase after the ball instead of the Arsenal players downfall of the leg work.

  85. prvhc

    Champagne Charlie
    So you agree you were wrong about Wenger’s capability to mange Arsenal for eight years.
    That means your opinions on Arsenal are worth next to nothing
    Case closed

  86. Leedsgunner

    We need to create more chances from midfield but our manager refuses to play our most creative players because of what? Tactical reasons again?

    Sure we won, but we struggled.

    Plus, I fail really to see what’s so special about the our new loan signing. He looks like nothing special so far. A security blanket for Emery, nothing more nothing less.

    I really hope we don’t shell out £18m and make his signing permanent.

  87. Up 4 grabs now

    Morning people,

    Good result yesterday and that’s all that matters at this stage of the season.
    I See people complaining about 68% possession to huddersfield in the second half.

    Who cares, 0-2 up at half time, and we protected the lead. If Iwobi had been more ruthless in front of goal he would have had a hatrick.
    We hit huddersfield on the break and should have won by 4 or 5.
    If klopp or pochetino had done that hey would be lauded as great tactics.

    Huddersfield never looked like scoring,
    They only scored in the last minute with another comedy of errors own goal.

  88. Up 4 grabs now

    Leeds,
    I thought ozil was injured yesterday?
    I thought miki played well considering he’s missed ten games. Him and ANN linked up well yesterday.
    Would rather see miki than ozil, ozil looks like he knows he’s on his way out.

  89. MidwestGun

    We need to create more chances from midfield but our manager refuses to play our most creative players because of what? Tactical reasons again?
    ______
    Leeds, What’s up bro.. long time.. What creative options are you referring to? Ozil was supposedly sick and did not travel with the team.. Ramsey.. not creative sorry.. he is more of a later runner dude into the box.. and he will drive the team forward at times with energy but you expect him to play 100% when he is off this summer? probably not. Suarez has been here for about 15 mins and a cup of tea. Emery has had his hands tied saddled with Wenger dross and you got people banging on about playing with flair.. Bottom line is we won it is what it is. You got to stop drinking the Pedro.. “special sauce” Kool-Aid. It’s gonna take more then 6 months to fix this team.

  90. Bob N16

    Up 4, sure, we won but weren’t you alarmed by our lack of control in possession? 3pts is great, move on but we gave the ball away on numerous occasions- it was a plucky performance from Huddersfield, responding to a new manager- but Huddersfield!

    Go to a back 4, have another body, play a double pivot and get some more creativity/ cohesion in midfield.

  91. Up 4 grabs now

    Bob,
    Honestly I never thought we were in danger the whole game bar the cross near the end where the guy put it wide first time.

    Against a better side yes we wouldn’t have won yesterday, but they looked like a championship side. And will be playing there next season.
    They did have the new manager effect, the pitch and weather wasn’t great and we still have an average side with a defence that has mustafi in it.
    It was all about three points yesterday, no matter what.
    That’s why stats like only 32% in the second half don’t bother me, not when your two up and protecting a lead.

  92. Bob N16

    I hear what you’re saying Up4. I appreciate, winning when you’re not playing well is good news. However, if we play to that level too many more times this season then 6th will be ours!

    Obviously if we scrape victories for the rest of the season and slip into 4th I’ll be delighted!

  93. zaco

    Leedsgunner
    February 10, 2019 08:40:53

    “Plus, I fail really to see what’s so special about the our new loan signing. He looks like nothing special so far. A security blanket for Emery, nothing more nothing less”.

    it’s easy to see that some of you already have your mind made up on some players/managers even before a ball is kicked, sees you have made up your mind on Dennis Suarez from the 25 minutes of football he has played for us.

  94. Wenker-wanger

    Iwobi: the most controversial arsenal player.
    Ian Wright commented that iwobi is a super player.
    Now logically, what would make a former great striker of our club say that?
    Is the england capped legend just blindly biased?
    No.
    In defense of iwobis critics on here, I can see their frustration. Iwobi sometimes fails with his final pass and decision making can be wrong.
    What weighty sees is a player that drives forward and makes a surge into the box….compared to the customary crab passing we are used to for years with our wenger sterile midfield play..
    He scored 2…one offside in a fairly good performance yesterday.
    I think fans should get off his back….mute their frustration and like wrighty said give him encouragement.

  95. gnarleygeorge9

    The problem is the owner. I know some of you on here are lonely, hence the need to go on social media continually to analyse everything, & find a scapegoat to blame like Iwobi, etc, but the Yank owner is not interested in winning the important trophies he only cares about a sustainable revenue raising model. Since the prick came into our lives the Club has taken 2 steps forward & 3 steps back. When The Arse didn’t win The Title they used to finish 2nd, now they are Top 6. You can come on here & try to analyse the current situation till you give everyone else the shits, like that Jo geezer, but I can guarantee you this , while the current owner remains, the Club will continue to slide south. Just saying.

  96. Up 4 grabs now

    Bob,
    Fourth will be tough especially the form utd have hit,
    But it isn’t impossible.
    Even if we don’t get it, and miss out on winning the Europa.
    I would still be willing to give emery next season, unless a top draw manager became available.

    Emery wasn’t my choice, I wanted Don Carlo.
    But I’m wiling to back him since he inherited an awful squad and was given the equivalent of the loose change down the back of the sofa for transfer funds.
    The board and Stan have hung him out to dry in that respect.

  97. Ivan

    We have worst amf-s we had in last 20 years. DMF are ok-ish, but they are not built to move play foreard.

    Second big problem we have is playing from the back.

    Mustafi with his flaws is prime examople of being total belend with ball. Lost count how many times did he put Leno or Chech needlesly under pressure making a pass to them while there was attacker 10 yards away of goalie.

    Now we cant revert to booting ball every single time up field couse we dont have prediminantly tall players that will collect it.

    It will take time, and investment for us to be able to carry ball up field as we should.

    As long as Emery is better point wise then Wenger and keeps trying to find balance in the team he has my backing.

    On Ozil. Everyone and his dog (bar 2 posters here) were fuming on his preferential treatment until Pedro started banging Emery for not using him in ManC game. Now there are many that use him against Emery when in fact its a pro.

    There is no succesfull team on this planet that depends on moody prima donna. This guy had more bugs and viruses etc than rest of our team in the last year or so.

    For me that is way to run team, you are in it when you are 100% in it. If not, warm that bench. 350k pw or not there are other players that take message from this. How come Auba and Lac put a shift every game, and thosr two are well paid too?

  98. Wenker-wanger

    @ gnarleygeorge. Agreed, the owner has no interest in the success of the team, just the £££ of the club.
    Looking back, for all the abuse abramavitch got from fans on here, in reality his investment attitude would be welcomed.

  99. Nelson

    That’s what I have posted yesterday.
    “After watching the team for the past few months, we can see that Emery prefers hard working player who can run a lot and can perform various tasks in the pitch. His football philosophy is high defensive line to reduce the pitch and high press to suffocate the opponent.”
    This answers the question why Emery is not playing Ozil and Ramsey. “Tactical reason”. Fans will have to accept Emery style football.
    By playing 3 at the back and 2 DMs, Emery was doing his best to strengthen the defense. He is now more flexible. He didn’t play a high defensive line. Our defense looked more solid. But we put a heavy load on our 2 mid fielders. They were tired in the second half. Furthermore, AMN and Kola, our two wing backs are bad passers. That’s why we were dominated by the opponent.
    My hope is when PapaSok and Auba are back, we’ll be a better team.

  100. Pierre

    Ivan
    “There is no succesfull team on this planet that depends on moody prima donna. This guy had more bugs and viruses etc than rest of our team in the last year or so. For me that is way to run team, you are in it when you are 100% in it. If not, warm that bench. 350k pw ”

    If I remember rightly , a few months ago Jose was alienating a so called prima donna from the Manchester United team , if I remember rightly he was moody and warming the bench and people( like you) were blaming this prima donna for the situation .

    Look at the prima donna now that he has a manager who doesn’t treat him like shit and tries to belittle him at every opportunity.

    That prima donna is now performing better than any other midfielder in the league because he has a manager who trusts him and focuses on his positives instead of having sly digs at him .

    Maybe our manager and supporters could learn a lot from the events that have transpired over the last few months at united.

  101. qna

    Just thinking about Iwobi. I don’t think he will ever have the end product. Like all these types of Wenger players before him – Gervinho, Oxlaide, Walcott. I do think we could get some good value with him if we loaned him out, but if we sell him now I doubt we would get much.

    Looking at our home grown players, I have no issues in keeping the following players:

    1. Holding
    2. Bellerin
    3. AMN (squad cover)

    At the moment we are also filling the 25 man squad list with Willock, Nketiah, John-Jules, Gilmour and Saka. They are pretty much just names on a piece of paper though. Too many in a 25 man squad for a team like Arsenal. But happy to bring them along.

    That doesn’t really afford us the luxury of selling Iwobi. We can also add Reiss Nelson, but I am not sure he is going to have that end product at this level either. I still think the smart move would be to loan Iwobi out to Germany with a view to selling him in 12 months, but without us providing significant funds to invest in the squad we probably need him in the squad as cover.

  102. bennydevito

    groovy daddy,

    Twitter only allows a 4 way vote so I thought I’d go with Arteta as a lot wanted him, Ole G as a lot are saying our squad is as goods as theirs therefore he’s doing a much better job, Vieira as a lot of people myself included would like an ex legend to take over and Henry has already tanked, and last choice being Emery stays.

    So far only 61 people have voted but the majority is Emery stays, then Ole G, Vieira, Arteta.

  103. bennydevito

    Pierre,

    So what? We used to dominate alot of opposition under Wenger having most possession and shots on target only to get caught continuously on the break and losing.

    You’re making problems that aren’t there.

    We won, players coming back from injury, more victories and points away from home than last season already.

    We’re doing well and making progress.

  104. Graham62

    Comparing Mourinho’s treatment of Pogba (and a fair few other MU and Chelski players) to Emery’s treatment of Ozil is laughable.

    Player power now reigns supreme but at the end of the day openly ridiculing your players, which Mourinho regularly did, is a definite no go imo. Emery is not doing this.

    None of us know what is going on behind the scenes but what is clear is that Ozil’s general attitude stinks. His demeanor shows this, both on and off the pitch. Emery has decided that unless Ozil is prepared to act accordingly, he is not worth the effort or, should I say, risk.

    With Pogba there were other things to take into consideration. From what I’ve heard Pogba was livid when Mourinho kept picking out Lukw Shaw and Marcus Rashford ( + other players) and promoting their shortcomings in the media. You see it wasn’t just about Pogba.

    He felt that Mourinho was destroying the club.

    He was right.

  105. Bamford10

    Pierre

    You should give a listen to the recent Arsecast featuring David Ornstein. Among other things, Ornstein says the decision to marginalize (maybe even freeze out) Ozil comes from above Emery — i.e., from Sanllehi, Venkatesham and others — not from Emery himself.

    You might be misdirecting your ire.

  106. Bamford10

    Arsenal fans have posted countless (critical yet encouraging) messages to Maitland-Niles on his Instagram feed, things like, “You are too careless with the ball,” “You are too lazy for Arsenal,” “You gave the ball away like five times,” etc.

    He has responded to nearly all of these, saying things like, “Sorry, bro, I will try to do better”.

    https://twitter.com/afcDW/status/1094552668369010689

  107. bennydevito

    groovydaddy,

    Did you vote? You haven’t retweeted it, c’mon let’s see what the Arsenal Twittersphere thinks yes?

    Arse n Nose, thanks for retweeting it.

    Bamford, Pedro, gambon, Dan Ahern, get retweeting it guys, let’s see what the consensus is. Doublegooner, Franchise, Sabeel; if you guys are still about I’ve @you too.

    Gg9, Lurch, QoS, Jaguar, gazzap, Suga any of you guys still about and on Twitter?

    Joppa, N5, Radio Raheem any of you newer older Grovers about and on Twitter?

    Anybody else I wouldn’t mind making a Twitter list of Grovers’ @ names so comment below please.

    Cheers!

  108. Bamford10

    Ian Wright may have been a great footballer, but he’s a terrible pundit. He defended Wenger until the end, which is to say, his opinion is worthless. Iwobi is not a “superb” player. He’s an energetic and hard-working squad player, nothing more.

  109. Bamford10

    Benny

    BTW, if you re-did that poll and replaced Ole with “other,” I think it might change some of the votes. I don’t have a lot of faith in Emery — though I think a lot of the criticism of him here is nonsense — but I am also not all that interested in Arteta or Vieira. If I had had “other” as an option, I would likely have selected it.

  110. bennydevito

    I think it’s a real sorry state of affairs the modern entitled fan being able to contact players through social media and abuse them like they are AMN.

    Who the hell do they think they are and what gives them the right?

    Do they really think it will be productive or just reduce them to a nervous wreck?

    Disgraceful Spurs style entitled babies.

  111. bennydevito

    Bamford,

    Good point regarding other, but I’m basing it on critism of Emery and the possibility that Ole G might not get the job permanently although my Manc mate reckons it’s nailed on if he carries on and gets top 4.

    I’ll do another one and replace Ole G with other.

  112. Graham62

    Watching the MOTD highlights I was left wandering what players like Chris Woods need to do to be recognised.

    We had Giroud, when we could have had someone like Woods. We go for the flicky dicky tippy-tappy type players but never those that would cause havoc amongst opposing defenders.

    It was the same when we could have got the likes of Gary Cahill and Christopher Samba in their prime, to compensate all those flicky dickies. As John Terry once said “Tippy-tappy Football is great but you ain’t going to win the league playing it”

    The reason so many fans like Alexandre Lacazette is because of his willingness to ruffle a few feathers and give it his all. On top of this, he is a top striker.

    We need a few more like him.

  113. Ivan

    Pierre – not even close. Pogba is great player. He played good for Mou too, before Mou ostracised team littered with talent.

    Pogba was played out of position and exposed to public critique from his manager for problems he didnt couse. Mou created team mutiny that ultimately got him sacked (and paid hansomly for it).

    Ozil was like that with Wenger too, and i bet he did it at RM when they sold him to us.

    Dont get me wrong, on his day, Ozil was great, but same as Sanchez at ManU, has been great player and has attitude there is noting left to prove being superstar he is.

    Well, both are benchwarmers now beacuse there is no Wenger there to care for them.

    You are pointing on Mou ego tripping vs Emery being practical. Think about alternative.

    One way is to indulge player that dont want to put a shift in and fakes illnes now and then when he dont fancy to play. Tzat way you just give wrong message to rest of the team.

    Other way is to play hard ball and make or brake that problematic player. Which way would you go?

  114. Thomas

    @Bennydevito

    “We’re doing well and making progress.”

    ___

    Erm maybe if you compare it to last season’s train wreck. It would be weird if Emery didn’t perform better than that. Doesn’t mean he’s the right man for the job.

  115. Pierre

    Bennydevito
    “I think it’s a real sorry state of affairs the modern entitled fan being able to contact players through social media and abuse them like they are AMN.
    Do they really think it will be productive or just reduce them to a nervous wreck?”

    I totally agree with you .

    Just out of interest , do you think it’s a “sorry state of affairs ” for the way Mesut Ozil is abused by the media and on social media.
    Would you think it is productive and do you think it could possibly have an effect on his performance.( “Nervous wreck” )

  116. Dissenter

    Lacazette didn’t play like a “top striker” yesterday.
    He was awful and had so many poor touches. We rightfully lambasted Iwobi while letting Laca off too easily.
    One has to go; Laca or Auba. They can make them draw lots to decide who leaves
    We don’t have a winger and we don’t have a striker that can hold up the ball. We don’t have a striker that can attack aerial balls in the 18 yard box.
    We really have a disjointed and unbalanced squad. We aren’t doing justice when we call it the 6th best squad because teams like Wolves have more balance.

  117. Ivan

    Pierre – its no good to abuse anyone. It does not matter if target is newbie or established superstar.

    Only difference is Mesut should be able to put up with it better beacuse he has more experience with media. That said its awfull for fans to abuse anyone on social media.