HectorFanTV DROPS — Emery seeks a better record away

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Arsenal head out on the road this weekend after not winning in 6 games. Fear not, Emery knows what the double-flip is going down.

“My first critic is myself. We can make the top four, but we know it’s not easy.

“We are strong at home, but I think we need to do better away. We started very well, changing our mentality to get more points away. But now we need to recover our confidence and performance.

“Also we know defensively we need to do better. We tried to play with three and two centre-backs. Be passionate, be calm but above all work.”

Away form is an odd one. It’s all in the head. I find it interesting that something like that can impact elite athletes, you’d kind of think they were a bit above that? I understand the butterflies might be on fire in Istanbul, but at Huddersfield this Saturday, I’d hope less so?

We take on bottom of the table Huddersfield. They recently agreed to part ways with the excellent David Wagner. He was replaced by Dortmund first-team coach, Jan Siewart. Not sure I can speak about him with any sort of knowledge, so I won’t even try and Google research him. Huddersfield take chances on managers in the same way I would, and it’s paid dividends for little investment.

I have my doubts they’ll have enough to take down Arsenal at the weekend. We have Mikhi coming back into the fold, which I would hope could give us a little more width and creativity from wide positions. However, it’s clear that the most important thing is to keep a clean sheet. The team really needs to get back to basics. We were overrun by Cardiff at home a few weeks ago, that’s not a good look.

Emery needs to get his season back on track, he needs to get him best players on the pitch and he needs to find a system that he can roll with for more than 24 minutes.

Finally, Hector B has dropped a fan TV channel. He’s talking about his surgery, sure, I love that, but be real, when is the high-end fashion chat dropping? I wanna see the latest Balenciaga sneakers I can’t by because I’m old. I want to know about OFF-White print shirts. I wanna know when the male sarong is coming back?

Good luck sir, and don’t get downbeat about the muppets in the comments.

JUST KIDDING GUYS, see you in the comments. x

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  1. Marko

    Don’t pretend to either, you’ll only embarrass yourself further.

    I can safely say to a high degree that you are at the very least a massive dickhead. How else do you explain how you act on here.

    I’m delightful by the way

  2. jwl

    Joke Friday –

    Three couples are trying to get married at the same church. There is a young couple, a middle-aged couple, and an elderly couple. The three couples meet with the priest and discuss when they can get married.

    “If you wish to get married in my church, you must all go one month without having sex,” says the priest.

    One month later the three couples return to the church and talk to the priest. He then asks the elderly couple, “Have you completed the month with sex?”

    “Yes we have, it was easy,” replies the elderly couple.

    “How about you?” He asks the middle-aged couple.

    “It was hard, but we didn’t have sex for the whole month,” they respond.

    “And how about you two?” He asks the young couple.

    “No we couldn’t do it,” responds the boyfriend.

    “Tell me why,” says the priest.

    “Well my girlfriend had a can of corn in her hand and she accidentally dropped it. She bent over to pick it up and that’s when it happened.”

    The priest then tells them, “You’re not welcome in my church.”

    “We’re not welcome in the supermarket either,” says the boyfriend.

  3. China1

    Circa 2010 was around the time when the well earned good will towards wenger started to get scrutinized a little bit

    Not only had we stopped winning trophies but the club (and manager) were making increasingly poor and bizarre decisions on a day to day basis.

    I extended my faith in him until around 2010 but by 2012 it became beyond dispute that wenger had no idea how to turn us back into a serious club so any remaining good will I had evaporated during his increasingly disrespectful press conferences against the arsenal fan base

  4. Champagne charlie

    Joke Friday: Marko

    China

    Agree, We were still a team and a half in 2008, just missing a couple of additions to take us over the edge to a fully fledged competitor. From then on the good will and hope faded because looking back it was a clear case of us going in circles.

  5. Charlie George

    Well opiniated Graham 62

    “”PV4 is made for us because he is one of us.””
    I totally endorse this premise

    Arsenal is unique.

    We need Arsenal people involved coaching/ figureheading the club UNLESS they are exceptional outsiders ( ie Wenger quality )

    This is Something Emery and Raul will never be.
    They stink to the high heavens of mediocrity.

    How much longer will our club accept this inevitable slide into Watford or Seville lite…..

    Our best days will come again
    But not with these 2 at the helm!

  6. bennydevito

    gambon

    Yes, same for me. The season ending after the season of Eduardo’s leg break should have been when Wenger left. Gallas in the centre circle and all that.

    Thing is I was moaning about Wenger’s lack of defensive nous and lack of tactics as far back as 2002. Our inability to defend a title and conceding the same type of goals from suicidal high lines was really bugging me and I noticed a stark difference in how we defended, especially from corners.

    I remember under George Graham we always had men on the posts or at least the back post and we would always have a striker on the halfway line so that would prevent all their defenders coming up for the corners and would give us an outlet for a quick counter.

    When Wenger came along that all went out the window and I’m not even sure if Emery does it, but I will see at the weekend, but it became very apparent to me very quickly that Wenger didn’t do tactics and I was having my concerns even then.

  7. Marko

    You could probably choose at least a dozen instances over the last 10-13 years where Wenger could/should have been sacked. Countless embarrassing defeats and failures to address the squad in the transfer window. Not to mention the barren years.

  8. bennydevito

    CG,

    You say you would only accept outsiders as long as they are exceptional and have Wenger quality, but Wenger was awful since at least 2010 and had won less as a manager before he joined Arsenal than Emery had when he joined Arsenal, so how come you accepted Wenger the unknown who had won less than Emery but won’t accept Emery?

  9. Alexanderhenry

    Marko

    Regarding wenger, he should have gone several seasons before he did, but to be fair, for at least 6 or 7 seasons after we moved he didn’t have anywhere near the resources made available to managers such as mourihno and fergie.

    In fact if you look at that period, wenger spent consistently less than spurs and Liverpool and always finished above them.

    The rather tragic irony is that when he was finally given a bit of cash to spend, that’s when he lost his managerial mojo.
    Apart from when we played in the FA Cup anyway.
    Those FA Cup wins are a bit of a taboo subject on here though I think.
    Apologies if I’ve offended anyone by mentioning them.

  10. bennydevito

    CG,

    You’re the comical one. When Wenger took over he had won less than Emery and was referred to as Arsene who? Yet you now say you would only accept an outsider with exceptional quality, Wenger quality? What quality would that be then? Terrible defending? Terrible talent spotting? Paying over the top prices for terrible players? Selling our best players to our rivals for terrible prices?

    Unless you caveat Wenger quality if 1998 – 2005 you’re the comical one.

  11. Charlie George

    Bd
    I go into book shops from time to time. ( no jokes ,please)

    When you are in the sports section

    Biograhies of Wenger scream out at you..
    His tenure will be looked upon as time goes by as monumentally historic…
    I accept- he stayed tooooooooo long.

    But there won’t be books on Emery in the future.

    We need a man/men ( Wenger circa 1998- 2014) of his calibre to get this club back in track.

    If you think these 2 are the answer.
    You are deluding yourself..

    ( I think deep down – you know that, too)

  12. Graham62

    I also admire and respect PV4 because he fell out with Wenger.

    He saw through all the crap long before some of our fans did.

    As for the MC connection…… who fudging cares.

    PV4 wasn’t the reason so many of our players moved to Manchester.

    Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded.

  13. Guns of SF

    PV4 was a a true leader.
    He would not take any shit on the field and off.
    I think with age he has mellowed which is normal
    However, he was also one that I espoused for coach. not that im anti emery at all.

  14. Marko

    Regarding wenger, he should have gone several seasons before he did, but to be fair, for at least 6 or 7 seasons after we moved he didn’t have anywhere near the resources made available to managers such as mourihno and fergie.

    Moved in 06 I personally would say he had an excuse while penny pinching for like 5 years and that’s absolutely it.

    The FA Cup isn’t taboo it’s just not what we moved stadium for and going nearly 10 years without a trophy to then win ones against a piss poor Villa or Hull didn’t justify keeping him around really. The Chelsea one was a proper win though.

  15. Charlie George

    The whole damned Gazidas recruitment strategy of the picking a new coach- was an unmitigated disaster.
    Him leaving so soon after – compounded this.
    From the leaking to Arteta to the appointment of Emery- a total inept disaster.
    We desperately need a reset – we are in a quagmire of dung.
    A New process is required at the end of the season ( every season – in fact)

    (Even if that means – ‘re- interviewing Emery and Raul about their positions.)

    No way -should they be allowed to plough on – without serious questions about where we are heading.

    Sticking with Emery will be worse than the Billy Wright era.( 1950z)

  16. bennydevito

    CG,

    You may be right but until Emery’s given time we won’t know. Plus at the time Wenger only had 1 dominant team with bigger finances to deal with – Man Utd, whereas Emery has City, Chelsea, Liverpool, utd and even Spurs to contend with, an also the gap between the top teams and those lower in the league is a lot closer too – with the extra money in the game now compared to when Wenger took over, Emery’s job is monumentally bigger and the landscape has changed drastically.

    Saying that out loud actually I think you could be right, maybe the Arsenal job is above Emery.

    Hmmmm.

    Leave the Spanish stuff out, clearly a smart bloke who doesn’t need to go there to get your point across.

    Hmmmm. You’ve gazumped me it has to be said.

  17. Marko

    His tenure will be looked upon as time goes by as monumentally historic…

    Hmmm depends on who you ask. Certainly historic to be a manager at the same club for so long but bar one season there’s really nothing that monumental about him. 3 league titles in 22 years isn’t monumental. 9 years without a trophy isn’t monumental. One good showing in Europe as opposed to numerous embarrassments isn’t monumental.

  18. Alexanderhenry

    Marko

    Looking at arsenal’s net spend and the exodus and /or selling off of our best players there were seasons during that period we had no business even finishing 4th.

    Regarding the FA cups, I enjoyed all three.
    A cup win is a cup win. It’s not belittled by who you play in the final.

  19. Charlie George

    Marko
    Liverpool have not won the league for 25 years
    Spurs have not won the league for 50 years.

    (City and Chelsea would not have won the league once between them- if they had not been bankrolled…)

    Wengers achievement were meritous.
    They were exceptional- if the truth be told

    He would have won more if Roman A not rolled his Russian roubles into town.!

    Give the man his break.
    He is a true Arsenal Legend.
    But flawed like us all.

  20. Champagne charlie

    Marko

    It’s comments like those that expose your contemptuous and immature gaze. Wenger is the most successful Arsenal manager of all time, he doesn’t need to have a list of titles like Pep to garner the praise from Arsenal fans. He was sublime as Arsenal manager in all but the end where it tailed off to average and poor.

    What he did do was take over a somewhat bland club and give us great stature in the game as whole with a trademark and brand of fantastic football and awe inspiring players. He managed to navigate us through an incredibly lean period moving stadiums where the game succumb to unbelievable wealth, and sadly it was a bridge too far to reinvent himself in the modern era.

    He doesn’t lose all grace and importance off the back of that no matter the recent bile-filled smatterings of the internet age. He was here too long, that’s it, the rest is unbelievably positive in the history of Arsenal football club and you’re out of touch to think otherwise.

  21. Marko

    Looking at arsenal’s net spend and the exodus and /or selling off of our best players there were seasons during that period we had no business even finishing 4th.

    Yeah there was more than a couple times we finished 4th more because of a bottle job by Spurs or Liverpool than anything else. Again the point I’m making about the FA Cup wins were especially the Villa and Hull ones it was more a case of luck and favorable draws than a Wenger masterstroke. He was a poor manager at this time and those FA Cups didn’t change that

  22. Graham62

    Charlie George

    Do you actually know you’re in denial?

    Your blaming Emery for things that were caused by our predecessor.

    “The quagmire of dung” you talk about was brought about because of Wenger( and to a degree Gazidis). Open your eyes.

    Where were you for the past decade?

    Down the “Dog and Duck” drowning your sorrows? OR, maybe, cheering on Wenger?

    Your perceptions on things are ludicrous.

    If it was up to me I’d lock Wenger in the tower and throw away the key.

    Sticking with Wenger was our mistake.

    Emery is being asked to clear up all the shite.

    Got it?

  23. Pierre

    Marko
    “The FA Cup isn’t taboo it’s just not what we moved stadium for and going nearly 10 years without a trophy to then win ones against a piss poor Villa or Hull didn’t justify keeping him around really. The Chelsea one was a proper win though.”

    Showing your football ignorance again there Marko , no cup final is a given.

    I have seen Arsenal lose in cup finals against swindon( third division) ,Leeds (2 times) ipswich, West ham (2nd division) , Valencia Luton and Liverpool.

    Many bad experiences( and good) watching The Arsenal , so I will always appreciate how difficult it is to win any trophy unlike quite a few on here.

  24. Upstate Gooner

    This whole “Wenger should’ve gone years ago” talk is very amusing. I assume most of you here have jobs, right? What happens when you don’t do it or do it half arsed? I know what would happen to me – I’d get canned. So do you know why Wenger was in charge for 22 years? Because he actually did his job, and he did it well. The minute he stopped, he was fired. In all those “barren years” the objective was simple – top 4 (CL money), few player sales, balance the books, come out on top in profits. If the goal was any different (league or CL trophies), Wenger wouldn’t have last as long. As for our most recent FA Cups wins against Hull and Villa (here’s looking at you Marko) – how does beating them vs beating Chelsea make it any different? We had to beat some quality teams to reach the finals, and so did Villa and Hull.

  25. Marko

    He was here too long, that’s it, the rest is unbelievably positive in the history of Arsenal football club and you’re out of touch to think otherwise.

    Did a good job alright. But 3 league titles in 22 years none back to back isn’t monumental. His showings in Europe were not monumental. Going nearly a decade without a trophy was not monumental. George Graham won 2 league titles in 9 years at Arsenal and a European trophy.

  26. Graham62

    CC

    You disect everything and everyone with such precision on here. It must be so rewarding to be so perfect at everything you do, knowing how great you are and all that. I’m sure all your colleagues worship you and hang on to your every word. Congratulations!

    ————————————–

    Your perceptions on Wenger are spot on, upto, that is, around 2009. Thereafter, imo, my perceptions take precedence.

    He ruined it for me and I will never see him in the same light as you and others do on here.

    Deep down I think Wenger knows he cocked things up, although he will never admit it.

    “Grace and importance?” Please don’t make me laugh.

  27. Carts

    The straw that broke the camel’s back was the defeat to Birmingham City in the Carling Cup. And to think Birmingham were also relegated that season have haven’t returned since makes it all the more comical.

    I can’t remember the post match platitudes, but I do remember people on LG and in my circle, unbelievably , attempting to draw correlation to that shit show to what Utd and Chelsea were spending – as if that had any bearing on the match.

    Wenger got a stay of execution and the rest of it was swept under the rug

  28. Upstate Gooner

    Graham62
    How so? I’d love an explanation. The guy was making what 8, 9mil a year? You’re telling me if he was doing a shitty job he’d lasted this long?

  29. bennydevito

    C’mon CG man you know what I mean! I take serious issue with people being judged on their nationalities and criticised using derogatory national stereotyping rather than their technical ability and experience.

    But, I want to draw a line under that and move on.

    Half way through writing my last post and rebuttal to you I had what I can only describe as an epiphany.

    It suddenly dawned on me what you’re getting at but I’ve been so irked by what I consider to be irrelevant and offensive comments by you, I haven’t been able to rationale clearly.

    I’m comparing like for like, black and white but it’s not that simple.

    Arsenal are a bigger club now to what they were when Wenger took over. Wenger developed into a bigger personality with more gravitas, aura around him and respect than Emery has. The landscape has changed now compared to then, with more top clubs competing with serious heavyweight managers than Emery will ever be.

    I believe Emery to be a competent manager with a good managerial record but it’s not great, it doesn’t wow you. I think what you’re saying is Emery just doesn’t have that oomph like only somebody exceptional like Pep does with his proven track record, that or one of our exceptional ex captains like Adams or Vieira who were giants of men on the pitch, with exceptional leadership qualities who commanded respect by their very presence and who you would want in your trenches and run that extra mile for.

    Adams has unfortunately proven a flop managerially speaking but Vieira has it all to prove and could well be that man who could step into Arsene Wenger’s shoes and out of his shadow.

    People would fight for him on the pitch and people would want to join us to play under him.

    Emery just doesn’t have that aura does he?

    I think I finally get it.

    I still think it’s too early to say Emery out now and still too early to say for definate that Emery won’t be relatively successful.

    But will we dominate like Utd and Liverpool of old with Emery at the helm?

    Will we play dazzling enthralling football like we’ve seen under Wenger?

    I think we’ve all seen enough of Emery already to say no, we won’t.

    So why persist any further? Like Rioch, why persist with pragmatic, practical football with no pizzazz when we can do a quick reset before we sign more of the wrong kind of players?

    I finally understand what you and Pedro have been saying all along.

    I want what’s best for Arsenal, always have, always will and I do think it’s fair to say that that’s not Emery.

    But it could be Pat.

    So at the end of the season let’s have a reset and have some of that!

  30. Marko

    Certainly rubbed more than a couple up the wrong way here but respectfully 3 league titles in 22 years isn’t that amazing. Maybe if he left sooner certain opinions on him would have changed but tacking on an extra 5-7 years did more than enough to tarnish his reputation. I mean are we going to remember his 3 league titles in 7 years or his 0 in 14 years? Ferguson in 25 years had 13 league titles that’s monumental. Mourinho in his first 3 seasons at Chelsea won 2 league titles. Obviously not the same.

    Look he did a great job there’s no doubting that but monumental? I honestly think even now you could find more than a few managers out there capable of winning 3 league titles inside 22 years

  31. Upstate Gooner

    benny
    Bravo, excellent post! And I think that’s exactly what CG and the like are trying to say but sometimes can’t get their point across.

  32. Graham62

    Pierre

    Agreed, shouldn’t take winning a Cup Final or three for granted, but is that why we moved to the Emirates to compete against Sutton and Lincoln and gloat about beating Wigan, Hull City and Villa.

    I wanted to see progress. We never got that. We fell further and further behind the top tier clubs, whilst our hierarchy gloated in self gratification.

    Like yourself I have some fantastic and not so fantastic FA Cup memories, but I would have preferred the occasional PL or CL memories to have taken precedence over the past twelve years…….. wouldn’t you?

  33. Alexanderhenry

    Bennydevito

    You’re missing the point.

    What arsenal needs is better players.
    That costs money and doggedly and counter productively persevering with self sustainability just won’t cut it.

    Look at solskyaer. Yes, he’s done well. Maybe he’s the real deal but look at the players he gets to work with.

  34. Upstate Gooner

    Carts
    “The straw that broke the camel’s back was the defeat to Birmingham City in the Carling Cup. And to think Birmingham were also relegated that season have haven’t returned since makes it all the more comical.”

    It was a blip, can happen to anyone. I remember mighty City losing to an already relegated Wigan in FA Cup final.

  35. Carts

    Wenger’s militant dismantling of Arsenal coincided with his obsession of Barcelona.

    I miss Keyser (unless he’s operating under a new alias) cos I remember he was adamant that the reason we went from rangy-athletic players to shorter-more technical players was cos we athletic player came with a premium that we could afford.

    You couldn’t make it up LOL

  36. Carts

    Upstate

    yeah the same way losing to Bradford and Blackburn was also a blip

    Losing a one off when is one thing, losing a one off in a final to a dire team when the manager was already showing signs of delusion is another thing

  37. Marko

    Hull FA Cup win. All our games were at home. Mind you Liverpool and Spurs at home. Villa FA Cup win our only tough game was United in the 5th round. The Chelsea win all our games were away from home bar the quarter final against Lincoln City and we beat decent sides in City and Chelsea at Wembley. A very good Cup win that. And that’s what I meant

  38. Graham62

    Not competing for a PL title or even remotely getting close to competing for a European trophy since 2006 is scandalous.

    Note I highlighted “competing for” not winning.

  39. Marko

    I agree but big stadium or not you have to spend big to compete.

    How big you talking Alex? Wenger in recent seasons spent 90 million one summer and 110 million on two strikers. I get what you’re saying and it’s easy to say that now after a summer of just 70 million being available and zero in January but prior to that there wasn’t much wrong with the investment other than it was spent poorly.35 million on Mustafi 35 million on Xhaka instead of Kante 17 million on Perez. Nothing persay wrong with the number except maybe the caliber of players

  40. Alexanderhenry

    Graham62

    Wenger got us CL football year after year on a shoestring. That’s what the owner wanted- nothing more.

  41. Marko

    Alex the thing is as well we can’t just throw money at this problem now. Not with FFP. We have to turn over players reduce the wages and that doesn’t get addressed by Stan dipping into his own pocket

  42. Champagne charlie

    “You disect everything and everyone with such precision on here. It must be so rewarding to be so perfect at everything you do, knowing how great you are and all that. I’m sure all your colleagues worship you and hang on to your every word. Congratulations!”

    What age are you? You have a really queer way of digesting things I say, and this little outburst is plain bizarre.

    Almost as if you have a semi just by replying, easy tiger.

  43. Charlie George

    Bd
    You worry me
    You are so whimsical,
    Show backbone and fibre. You have it in you!
    Go with what you believe In- I do.

    I am not here, to cheerlead or to be blindly optimistic.

    I will state my opinion without fear or favour.
    I have one agenda!
    Arsenal to be the biggest, best, most decent and organic club in the world.
    Its our destiny!

  44. bennydevito

    Alexander Henry,

    Yes I agree, we do need better players and a fat load of cash to rival the teams above us with more money who can outbid us but that’s not going to happen in the next few seasons at least I would guess.

    Which is why we need a manager ready to develop youngsters and drill the defence.

    Does Emery have a proven track record of developing youngsters? People that know more of him than I do say no.

    Can he drill a defence? So far you’d have to argue no, injuries aside of course.

    So where does that leave us?

    Look at what Keown did whilst taking his coaching badges during our clean sheet run to the champs league final with Flamini at left back. Drilled our defence better than Dirk Diggler on a porn movie set.

    Why can’t Emery do that?

    I still think Emery deserves more time and feel it’s fat too early to call for him out, but I can see where CG, CC and Pedro are coming from and questions need to be asked.

  45. Graham62

    CC

    Old enough to see things for what they are.

    I’ve been on this blog for nearly two years now and in very nearly all your communications to other posters you highlight the same disrespectful rhetoric, usually along the lines ” are you immature or something” followed by a sexually explicit anecdote.

    You have a serious problem mate.

  46. azed

    “Does Emery have a proven track record of developing youngsters? People that know more of him than I do say no.”

    Danny Alves, Ivan Rakitic, David Villa and Guendozi do not agree with this statement.

  47. Champagne charlie

    Graham

    Says the guy who desperately paints a false picture of me at every opportunity despite not being engaged. Odd that, your little bee in your bonnet is cute.

  48. azed

    Benny

    “At Sevilla, Emery and then-director of football Monchi did an amazing job.

    Monchi, who is now at Roma, would deal with transfers, mostly bringing in young or unproven players, while Emery as a coach would make them better.

    The best job Emery did at Sevilla was to take those players Monchi was finding in the lower leagues in France or obscure leagues across Europe, improve them, make them play as a team and win trophies.”

  49. azed

    “His first game at PSG was the 2016 Trophee des Champions – the French Community Shield – against Lyon and they won 4-1. PSG played with an intensity like they never had before. It looked like his philosophy – pressing high, running a lot, attacking a lot, defending a lot, full backs bombing forward.

    But then the players said they should go back to what they know because they were used to tiki-taka football where they took their time.

    Emery had to evolve a bit to accommodate his players, when it shouldn’t have been like that – it should’ve been the players accommodating his philosophy.”

  50. Marko

    Says the guy who desperately paints a false picture of me at every opportunity despite not being engaged.

    He said you’re disrespectful and insulting to others. That’s hardly a stretch. But you did call him cute though

  51. bennydevito

    azed,

    Well in that case I stand corrected and hope that Emery does the same for us as I expect Emery to see out the 2 years of his contract at the very least as I don’t foresee the board giving Emery the boot after one season.

  52. Champagne charlie

    Marko, another day and another attempt for you to piggy back someone else’s remarks at me. Wonders never cease

  53. Champagne charlie

    Marko, find a mirror and look yourself up and down a good amount before saying half the stuff you say on here. Stick to the football

  54. Pierre

    Can anyone come up with a logical explanation as to why we are struggling in the latter stages of games.
    I’ve watched our 6 recent defeats and the Brighton draw and in none of those games have we looked like we had the skill, tactical know-how , energy or will to get back into those games.
    These games include West ham ,brighton, Southampton,Tottenham ,City ,United and Liverpool .

    At no time in the latter stages of any of these games have we looked like scoring , at no time have we had any momentum going forward and at no time has our manager changed the tactics to allow us to gain some momentum.
    In fact , I would say that it actually looks like we are scared to over commit going forward in case we concede more goals.

    This is a very worrying trend as it looks like the team is surrendering without a fight and accepting the inevitable.

    The referee may as well put everyone out of their misery and blow up after 75 minutes..
    The players are either knackered through all this running they are being asked to do or they are playing to instructions from the manager , whatever the reason Emery must address the situation .

  55. englandsbest

    Every cloud has a silver lining. The opinion of experts is that Arsenal made a hefty loss last year. And the accepted wisdom is that ‘tings will only get wuss’. Of course we may wait till doomsday to get the true figures from Delaware, but no matter, Arsenal is a loss-making business.

    And therein lies our best hope. Our sole owner will be forced to act. A couple of more years like the last, and Arsenal will lack the wherewithal to function, to pay its way.

    It’s almost impossible to imagine Stan putting big money into the Club. More likely he will try to offload Arsenal. In the meantime he will try to cut costs to the bone. The negative feedback from that, however, will accelerate the decline.

    There will come a point when, like Chelsea, he will give the Club to anyone who will take it. That should be us, the fans. That’s if he still owns it, the German bank may have stepped in. And they will be happy to pass the club on to us at the very best terms.

    Farfetched? Not in today’s world. Take a look around at the multi-billion businesses struggling to survive. HMV? House of Fraser? They cost the buyers less than the value of the stock and equipment left over.

    As for Stan, if you are continuously kicked up the arse, and every time you look around Stan is standing there, you know who to blame.

  56. Pierre

    The old adage of letting the ball do the work seems to have gone out of the window with our style of play.

    It’s amazing how much easier the game becomes it you pass to a team mate and the team plays composed , controlled football .
    Firstly it saves energy ( for later in the game) and secondly it takes the pressure off the defence.

    I think we should go back to basics and kick the headless chicken football in to touch.

  57. Marc

    englandsbest

    You need to lay off the meds. Exactly where do you think the money’s going to come from for a fan buyout? Even at a reduced value of £1.4 billion and if you had all 40,000 season ticket holders plus another 60,000 who were up for it each person would have to cough up £14,000.

    How many posters on here have ever spent any money with the club directly? And you think all these people are going to come up with thousands of pounds.

  58. bennydevito

    CG,

    Whimsical now? Ok.

    I’ve had a bit of a 180 in my thinking and am conceding somewhat to your point of view but I would hardly call that whimsical.

    I’m just trying to be practical and realistic with how things actually are.

    I concede that Emery isn’t the heavyweight manager we need going forward that will take us to the next level of where Pep is or even possibly Klopp, but I still think he’s a competent manager who has had success at different clubs in different countries who going forward given time and money could do well.

    But we’ve got no way of knowing that one way or the other, it’s all point of view of which there’s yours, mine and others.

    I’d prefer to judge him on results and not his nationality that’s for sure.

    On the practical side of things the board are simply not going to fire him tomorrow and barring a monumental Wenger style end of season capitulation they won’t sack him at the end of the season either.

    In my opinion Emery was always a short term interim manager designed to steady the ship post Wenger until one of our ex players is ready to take over, hence the 2 year contract.

    So banging the Emery out drum so early is both extremely premature and futile in my opinion and is just dividing the fanbase and causing tension.

    But I do concede that Emery doesn’t have the aura or gravitas of Wenger or Pep, or the so called special sauce to make us world beaters which is why I think now at the end of this season it may well be a good idea to have a reset, hire Vieira and unite the fanbase because I genuinely believe that we will never be top dogs ever again until we as fans are united and all literally singing from the same hymn sheet.

    Call that whimsical if you will, but I would rather call that realistic.

    I would rather call that Arsenal.

  59. Chris

    I think it’s highly likely Emery is remembered as a manager who bridges the gap between Wenger and what will hopefully be the next top man to bring us huge success, as Wenger did.

    I don’t think Emery gets enough respect on here, and other places, as he has a huge job on his hands to correct many wrongs at the club and will probably not be around to see it come to fruition.

    For those who can’t stand him, be prepared to have him around for a bit yet, the club clearly have every confidence in him. That’s just the reality.

  60. Carts

    Pierre

    I simply don’t think the payers actually understand what Emery wants them to do from the minute go.

    There’s almost an ad-hoc look to our performances: cos there’s no way Emery could have had the players in training 5 times a week, for us to look insanely drab and disjointed

  61. englandsbest

    Am I the only one who got thoroughly pi**ed off when Josh fed us the bs about winning the CL? Talking down to us as though we were a bunch of ninnies. It was bad enough putting up with the arrogance of the former unlamented BoD, but getting it from a mid-western hick was even worse.

  62. Bamford10

    Graham

    You failed to mention Charlie’s favorite ploy when he’s not getting his way in an argument: insulting the other poster’s intelligence.

    The other day, for example, he turned to calling Receding “knuckle-dragging” because Receding was questioning some of Charlie’s pronouncements and arguments. I may not agree with Receding on everything, but he’s a smart guy, and he doesn’t deserve such lame verbal abuse. Such abuse, though, is very Charlie.

  63. Bamford10

    England

    Sorry, but what’s wrong with ownership saying they are not only interested in finishing top four but interested in winning the PL and/or CL? Please explain.

    To me, it sounds like what really bothers you is where the guy happens to be from, not what he is saying the club’s aims are.

  64. Charlie George

    BWG Knashers!

    “””””They’re the biggest club in one of the biggest cities on earth. “””

    1000000000000% correct

    We are The only show in town!
    We can do better than this pasty Emery.

    We have to aim higher
    It’s up To us.

  65. Champagne charlie

    Banford

    Have you said anything football-related today or are Fridays where you pass remark about posters on here and skip the football?

    You’ve been told once already, your mystic meg shit isn’t relevant. You’ll also find what I say is measured in response, it’s simply you that decides to ignore this and dance around the content without context.

    This “very Charlie” stuff is comical, you’ve not a clue about me outside mutterings about football. The arrogance to suggest you’re capable of passing any such remark, and whilst denigrating a poster no less. Haha what a fucking honeydew

  66. Batistuta

    Should be all over Leverkusen for Havertz…Lad’s too good for us not to be in there…same with Bailey though he’s obviously not kicked on but seems like one that just needs the move more than anything else….I hate how we don’t have any wingers

  67. englandsbest

    marc

    Your interpretation of what I wrote is way off-beam. A few years back when HMV or House of Fraser were money-making concerns, they might have been sold for vast amounts of money. But not now. Why? They became money-losing concerns.

    Similarly with many football clubs. I gave Chelsea as an example, but I could have named Man U, Leeds, Glasgow Rangers… And there is bound to be more in the future.

    And Arsenal could be (probably will be) one of them.

  68. Champagne charlie

    Speaking of Rangers, Gerrard is doing a stellar job up there. New impetus, style, philosophy, approach, mentality, and it’s paying dividends.

    His best players are also all pre-Gerrard era purchases, so that’s another one that stands to piss on the “gimme players” philosophy of management many are so attached to at Arsenal.

  69. Marc

    englandsbest

    It’s unlikely – highly unlikely. Firstly you’d need a collapse in TV money which wouldn’t just hurt us it’d wreck the PL. As this happened transfer fees and wages would drop across the boards as clubs wouldn’t have the level of money to maintain them. We’d still be in a stronger position than most – big stadium that’s almost paid for and a large fan base.

    Your argument about high street based retail businesses that are in trouble is also a stupid comparison to make. They are struggling because the high street is dying and they are losing market share to online company’s. Are you suggesting that football is going to fall out of popularity?

  70. Charlie George

    Marc.
    (We must remind ourselves and let the media know)

    There has been a slow decline amongst the fan base about who and what Arsenal are.

    We have certain unique standards and criteria – that separate us from the rest.

    Off course results are off paramount importance.
    But there has been a general malaise about Arsenal – which i deplore.

    All of us may disagree- but we have one thing in common – we are all blessed to be Arsenal fans.( imagine if you supported Chelsea or spurs – horrific- I know)

    We demand high standards in every facet off the club

    We have an ethos about bringing in local and home grown talent

    We are innovative in all aspects.

    We are loyal to all our staff.
    We never slag off Ex – Arsenal stalwarts ( even if we should)

    We strive to be the best- because we are the best

    We never accept mediocrity. We fight against it.

  71. Alex James

    Arsenal to be the biggest, best, most decent and organic club in the world.
    Its our destiny!

    A big yes to that. My problem is that time is fading fast at my age, to be around to see it! The current squad will never achieve it, and where is the money coming from to replace it? I have been to see Barca and RM play at home within the last 12 months. Their stadiums and huge support frighten me, and indica

  72. Alexanderhenry

    Marko

    As I said before, wenger lost it when he actually started spending.
    Those initial first five or six seasons at the Emirates, though frustrating, were actually quite impressive.

    He had to dismantle the remains of the invincibles and get what he could for those. players.
    He had to finance transfers through player sales.
    He lost a number of our better players who left for higher wages and more ambitious clubs
    He had to over rely on youth.

  73. Batistuta

    Can’t be comparing the Scottish league to that of the premier league though as that would be such an unfair criticism… People are asking for new players simply because the ones we have are not at the level of any of the teams currently above us in the league save say 1 or 2 players and those will be the ones bought by the new management.

  74. Champagne charlie

    Batistuta

    Who’s comparing the two leagues?

    I compared Gerrard’s influence on a team in the same time period, how he’s totally transformed the feeling around the place, and Rangers are actually in something of a title fight which is absolute madness from where they’ve been and were last season.

  75. englandsbest

    Never say never.

    I believe that Rangers supporters would have said ‘never’ if you had suggested that they would sink to the low levels of Scottish football.

    And to proclaim that the popularity of pro football will continue to rise makes about as much sense as saying that house value will never fall. From what I hear American football is losing its popularity.

    So never say never. Fashion rules because it changes.

    In my view, the entertainment appeal of football has diminished. The result of an over-abundance on TV. Who bothers to watch, say, Brighton against Huddersfield? The main attraction of a football match is the tribal factor. So if an Arsenal fan watches say Brighton v Huddersfield, or Ajax v Whoever, he is looking for prospective Arsenal players.

  76. Upstate Gooner

    You know what I find interesting when people talk about Emery – the fact that everyone remembers him from either PSG or Sevilla but no one ever talks about his time at Spartak Moscow. He got canned after 6 months, and here’s what Spartak’s chief had to say about it:

    “One day, we were travelling for a championship game, and one of the players had forgotten his passport. You need one in Russia even for internal flights. Because we were Spartak there wasn’t a problem, but Unai shouted at the player in front of the others: “Forgetting your passport means you aren’t thinking of the team. It’s a lack of respect towards your team-mates, blah, blah, blah!”

    “Less than a week later, we were going to Benfica, which meant an international flight. And the only one who forgot his passport was… Unai. The whole team had to wait three hours for him to get it so that we could leave. There was a difference between what he said and what he did, and so gradually the players lost their respect for him.”

  77. azed

    “You know what I find interesting when people talk about Emery – the fact that everyone remembers him from either PSG or Sevilla but no one ever talks about his time at Spartak Moscow. He got canned after 6 months, and here’s what Spartak’s chief had to say about it:”

    No one also talks about his Valencia or Almeria days….

  78. Charlie George

    Gambon
    “”””That was the season when Wenger took a notable step back in ability””””

    Crikey – it was a CL semi final.

    Like they come around every season

    Very lopsided point of view..
    Oh for those days …now
    Enjoy batty bora pal!

  79. azed

    “Emmanuel Petit has criticised Paris Saint-Germain’s treatment of former manager Unai Emery, claiming the French giants did not show the Spaniard respect when he was in charge.

    Too many people are trying to be in charge at PSG and Emery was left alone. I think he was very sensitive about this. In his final weeks at PSG, you could see a change in his personality and a change in the way he was doing things. He knew he could not win the battles at this club.

    ‘It was not just Neymar. It was other players who would try to influence things and if they didn’t like how something was being done, they didn’t go to the manager, they went to the president.

    ‘I would say that 80 per cent of the dressing room were doing whatever they wanted to do and that is not a position any manager wants to be in. You have big egos at PSG and they don’t take orders very well from anyone.

  80. Graham62

    CC

    “You’ve not a clue about me outside mutterings about football”

    I think we all have a reasonable clue what you’re like Charlie.

    Anyone that highlights their own self importance, on a consistent basis, sort of gives the game away.

    Its not the fact that you love to outmanoeuvre and argue with others posters on here that pisses us off so much, it’s the fact that you show such an arrogant and patronising attitude when doing it that irks so many of us.

    You are correct, we do not know anything about you outside of this blog but based on your regular communications and how they are constructed, I personally would say…. “thank bloody goodness.”

  81. Champagne charlie

    Graham

    “Highlights their own self-importance” – go ahead and give and example of this seeing as it happens so frequently you tell me.

    Don’t let your personal vendetta get in the way of any facts on here Graham, stick to having that chip on your shoulder going back to when I dismissed you argument about Arsenal global appeal that you made based on a football camp in a random field.

  82. Marko

    His best players are also all pre-Gerrard era purchases, so that’s another one that stands to piss on the “gimme players” philosophy of management many are so attached to at Arsenal.

    I don’t know why I bother… he’s been there what one season and he’s signed 20 players. But yeah stands to piss on the gimme players philosophy really shits on it.

  83. Marko

    He had to dismantle the remains of the invincibles and get what he could for those. players.
    He had to finance transfers through player sales.
    He lost a number of our better players who left for higher wages and more ambitious clubs
    He had to over rely on youth.

    Had to and lost…sounds like you’re absolving him of all the blame. He did plenty of these things by himself Alex don’t delude yourself about that

  84. bennydevito

    CG,

    Thanks, I prefer polished to whimsical!

    I’ve got to say I do like the way you articulate yourself, your choice of diction is most impressive and I always feel like my brain has had a workout after conferring with you as well as getting incredibly frustrated at times!

    When you call Emery a pasty however, is that an autocorrect and you actually mean patsy? As in Raul is taking advantage of him? Or are you likening him to a literal pasty where he is dry and flaky, all pastry and not enough meat?

    Just curious.

  85. Graham62

    CC

    “Personal vendetta?” Lol!!!! Just highlighting a few home truths

    Oh yeh and there you go again, wanting yet another fudging argument. What is it with you?

    I rest my case your honour.

  86. bennydevito

    azed,

    That’s really interesting regarding Emery’s tenure at PSG, that certainly puts paid to a few Emery myths doesn’t it….

    Pierre style dots for emphasis.

  87. Chris

    Benny I have to say you have gone from being sensibly open about Emery to sounding like you have seen through him already. A little fickle? Is this on the basis of reading posts on this blog?

    This is what I referred to previously about the sensationalism of social media and modern journalism. Someone always has to be on the stove. Snap judgements aren’t always required.

    It is worth repeating. Arsenal still have two avenues toward their goal this season.

  88. Bob N16

    CC, I guess you just sucked in to the Legrove vortex. I’m just surprised you can be bothered to rise to the serial posters who would appear to have nothing better to do than blather on, but you get stuck in and give them a target. I get the mental sophistry but it’s surely shooting fish in a barrel….

  89. Champagne charlie

    “Oh yeh and there you go again, wanting yet another fudging argument. What is it with you?“

    Hold on, i’m the one wanting an argument by simply questioning your unprovoked attack for today? There’s a spin.

    @Marko

    Rangers have been turning over players annually since administration, haven’t seen them compete with Celtic in the previous seasons. Almost like the difference this season is the work Gerrard is doing in orchestrating the squad to deliver a particular football and strategy through the course of the season.

  90. bennydevito

    I must admit I’ve had a bit of an education on Emery tonight and even though he might not be the big personality oozing with special sauce to take Arsenal to the very top, he’s not as bad as some are saying he is.

    He does have a track record for developing youth and he wasn’t fired from PSG – he walked away because the egos went all Chelsea and down tools refusing to follow orders and running off to the president.

    Very interesting.

    I’m very much back on the fence and stick to my original feeling of being like the Wengerites:

    Judge him in May.

  91. Champagne charlie

    Bob

    Pretty much. Sucked in by it all when escaping at various points through the day just about sums it up. People fascinate me though so I’m always drawn into it.

  92. Champagne charlie

    Benny

    Where are you from? You appear to have a real sensitivity to racism and bigotry behind the norm. Have you dealt with that sort of thing at some stage in your life?

  93. Charlie George

    Bd
    Patsy- as in stooge, as in Rauls stooge.
    That’s our Emery!

    Time will tell…
    Both have to be removed.)

  94. Marko

    Almost like the difference this season is the work Gerrard is doing in orchestrating the squad to deliver a particular football and strategy through the course of the season.

    Sure but you made it sound like he’s working wonders on a squad he inherited and made little signings. Pissed on the gimme players philosophy you said. Brought in 20 players in one season I say. Hey maybe he can do a job with us

  95. Champagne charlie

    Marko

    No that’s how you read it. I’ve never dismissed the importance of signings, just always propped up the value of management and coaching.

    Rangers have turned over entire squads for the last 6 years or so and not been remotely competitive along the way. Why are they suddenly a different animal this season? Gerrard. His unifying goal, his direction, his approach.

  96. bennydevito

    Chris,

    I’m very conflicted to be entirely honest, very much so.

    I didn’t want Emery at the start but don’t agree in making rash, premature judgements based on very little but opinions like appearance, shade of teeth and pronunciation of English.

    But I can entertain the notion that our defence is no better and our style isn’t very exciting.

    I also am of the opinion that Emery inherited a car crash of a squad in need of a major overhaul but I caveat that with the opinion that a Fergie or a Pep would do better with the squad left behind.

    So in a nutshell I really am on the fence and am happy to judge him in May and all going well, give him the 2nd year of his contract too, but I can totally see where Pedro, CG and CC are coming from in terms of aura, charisma, gravitas and achievement based respect.

  97. Marko

    Going by who scored 6 of the top 10 highest rated rangers players this season were bought this season. 14 of 20. Those signings clearly helped

  98. Bob N16

    CC It is interesting, this Internet personality/identity existence. I’m sure we all have images of certain posters. I must admit I have certain hazy images of what some of the serial posters look like. The fact that people’s identity exists on their writing, unless they reveal any personal details. Tony, I can picture for example. Redruth, I’m not sure….
    Interesting though. My wife doesn’t quite get it – I just say it’s about Arsenal, which it is mostly but it is also very much about personalities, all be it Internet personalities……

  99. PhD2020

    Bamford10February 8, 2019 14:57:03
    Not surprised Champagne is a doctor. This was my guess some time ago based on something he said, I think, about his hours. If he is a surgeon, this makes even more sense, as there is no group of professionals who more overrate their intelligence than surgeons. People talk about the “God complex” some surgeons develop; more to the point, I’d say, is that many surgeons think they’re the smartest person in the room simply because they’re a surgeon. This is very Charlie.
    —–
    The comment above made me laugh out loud so much by Bamford…
    For the simple reason,that Bamford feels threatened by someone more smarter than him…LOL

    Yes,Bamford this is life..You will always find someone in this world that is far smarter,far richer,and far bigger than you.
    Hope you sleep well tonight,and not cry yourself to sleep,’knowing’ or rather-thinking that Charlie is a doctor or a surgeon.

    Bamford’s ongoing internal struggles continue with aplomb.
    LMFAO 🙂

  100. Champagne charlie

    Marko

    Want to explain why Rangers have been a mile off the pace until this season despite changing players like its PlayStation?

    Also, you’re debating something you don’t know much about? Do you watch them play?

  101. Marko

    Why are they suddenly a different animal this season? Gerrard. His unifying goal, his direction, his approach

    Could be he signed 20 decent players instead of the usual 20 shite ones. A simple question how does someone piss on the gimme players philosophy and yet sign 20 players in one season? Is it possible you said something that’s wrong and are changing tact? Seems like it. Cause if I bought 20 players in one season that’s gimme players 100%. But look I see where this is heading and you’re right it’s Steven Gerrard’s vision and philosophy that has them challenging and not the 20 players he’s brought in. No doubt

  102. Champagne charlie

    Bob

    I know it’s a queer one isn’t it? Like you it’s easy to construct some vague idea of a usual poster, but in reality it’s pure guesswork (unless said person reveals details like Tony etc then it becomes more narrowed). Internet is a funny realm haha

    PhD 🙂

  103. Marko

    Want to explain why Rangers have been a mile off the pace until this season despite changing players like its PlayStation?

    His vision clearly and not the 20 players he signed.

    Also, you’re debating something you don’t know much about? Do you watch them play?

    Lemme guess you have. I’m an Arsenal supporter from Ireland fuck no I don’t watch them. Just the whoscored ratings to prove my point

  104. Champagne charlie

    Marko

    Sure, let’s look at a club who changes players annually in great numbers over a span of say 6 years. The year they go bold and hire a manager with a clear plan they suddenly find themselves competing in the league. But you’re going to argue they’ve merely gotten the right 10 players in this season compared to the previous ones? Not far fetched at all.

    Rangers better players weren’t bought by Gerrard, you’d know that if you actually followed them in any detail outside of their who scored rating.

  105. Chris

    Benny

    I think your stance is sensible.

    There are positive signs under Emery but there are undeniably big concerns. However not enough time has elapsed to conclusively say he will not be able to correct them, especially if he does get the opportunity this summer to continue to reshape the squad.

    To call for Emery’s sacking (as some here more or less are) at this stage is madness. It would further destabilise the club. Look at Everton for example. They have gotten through several managers in recent years, all with different philosophies about the game and bringing in the type of players they see fit. The result is an unbalanced squad that flatters to deceive. They are ambitious, but they too need to pick a direction and stay with it longer than 6 months believing in where they are going and how they want to do it. That’s not even mentioning Chelsea’s cavalier attitude to managerial longevity.

    I don’t know about anyone else but I would hate to see Arsenal become a club that jumped on a manager merry go round. Emery has a two year deal and it will probably take that long to get us back on track. If he doesn’t make the required gains he is unlikely to be extended. Then the next guy will probably be fired at from all quarters, it’s how the Twitter generation operates I guess. I just find it all a bit sad.

  106. Marko

    Jesus Christ you made out like he was doing a great job without asking for signings pissed on gimme players you said that and I merely pointing out that he’s signed 20 players this month and of course you’ve changed tact. It’s very Bamford like you say something get challenged on it and then make it about something else. Signing 20 players in one season is gimme players. That’s it.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.scotsman.com/sport/football/teams/rangers/rangers-all-15-steven-gerrard-signings-rated-1-4836091/amp

    He also added Davis and Defoe in the January. You can assume they’ll do well that league is so incredibly weak

  107. Champagne charlie

    Marko

    There you go, sticking to your one shred of a point no matter what. I explained i’m aware Rangers turned over the squad and that in fact they’ve done that for nearly every season since administration. You’re desperate to cling to your point and ignore the rest I see.

    I’ve not made it about anything else. I made the point Gerrard has Rangers fans ecstatic with how he’s come in and organised a team to be a proper team. That is THE point I’ve made, and continue to make.

    It’s you that’s hell bent on making it about his 20 signings for the season. I know they’ve bought players, but that’s nothing new to Rangers of the last 6 years and they’ve been several levels below the grade. So what’s changed? They been doing the new players every season, but they haven’t done the managerial appointment with a vision, with a plan for success. That is the point, address it and stop trying to slide out the side door and make this a debate about something else entirely.

  108. Marko

    But you’re going to argue they’ve merely gotten the right 10 players in this season compared to the previous ones? Not far fetched at all.

    20 players. Not as far fetched as saying he’s not a gimme players type even though he’s just that.

    Rangers better players weren’t bought by Gerrard

    True enough. He inherited Tavenier and Morelas. But just the recent game 11 of the 18 man squad were new signings.

  109. Upstate Gooner

    Azed
    I’m sure if PSG offered him a contract extension he would have gladly taken it. The club decided to move in a different direction and hired Tuchel. I too hope that Arsenal see that Emery is not the right guy for us and bring in someone else. I just hope that it doesn’t take the full two years. I said it before and I’ll say it again, if Emery delivers CL next season, he deserves another year. Otherwise, I’d like to see the back of him in May. But that’s me, and my personal opinion.

  110. Marko

    You’re desperate to cling to your point and ignore the rest I see…I made the point Gerrard has Rangers fans ecstatic with how he’s come in and organised a team to be a proper team. That is THE point I’ve made, and continue to make.

    What did you mean by “that’s another one that stands to piss on the “gimme players” philosophy of management many are so attached to at Arsenal”

  111. Champagne charlie

    Marko

    Rangers have turned over their squad every year since administration, so are you going to provide a reasonable argument as to why they’re suddenly levels better than anything before this season under Gerrard?

    Because at the moment you’re sticking to a ‘just luck’ principle which is hard to take seriously. Are you trying your best to dismiss Gerrards influence?

  112. Marko

    Do you think Gerrard would be doing such a good job if it wasn’t for going to the chairman and asking for 20 players? Gimme gimme he says but surely your vision for the club is enough the chairman replies… Steven says of course…but gimme 20 players

  113. Champagne charlie

    “What did you mean by “that’s another one that stands to piss on the “gimme players” philosophy of management many are so attached to at Arsenal” “

    Precisely that. Gerrard has turned up at Rangers and it’s his influence on that side that’s taken them up several levels this season. They’ve been as busy as normal in recruiting new players, and what stands apart this season is how Gerrard has come in, defined their style and approach, then worked to systematically deliver on that week to week, month to month.

    Rangers were at point A in the summer, they’re now at point F when they had hoped for point C. The man who is credited for that is Gerrard, not the head scout.

  114. Marko

    Because at the moment you’re sticking to a ‘just luck’ principle which is hard to take seriously.

    I have not once mentioned luck. Not once. My argument is simply this the job he’s doing doesn’t piss on any gimme players philosophy because he made 20 signings. Those 20 signings have played a part in their season. You make it sound like he’s doing this great job all by himself like signing 20 players didn’t have any influence. Meant originally as a slight against the job Emery is doing at Arsenal. It’s all very good. I just want to know what you meant by the pisses on gimme players stuff

  115. Marko

    Gerrard has turned up at Rangers and it’s his influence on that side that’s taken them up several levels this season

    Ah yes but his influence was to turnover the squad to the tune of 20 players. Part of his philosophy at rangers was to sign 20 players. So I don’t get how he pisses on the gimme players philosophy. He literally got 20 players…interesting point anyway maybe he can take over at Arsenal and not sign players cause apparently he doesn’t need to… and yet he has a lot.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/11788/11580334/rangers-boss-steven-gerrard-targets-january-signings-after-europa-league-exit

    “In terms of numbers, I think we have had enough to cope. But to compete at this level, with ambitions to go further than the group, it’s obvious to me that the players need some help That means obviously quality players that can come in and help.”

    Pretty close to saying gimme players…

  116. Champagne charlie

    Marko

    You said ‘maybe they got the right players this time’ when I stated Rangers had been overhauling their squad every season since administration. So what are you suggesting with that?

    Not once have I dismissed the importance of new players, in fact I said exactly that a few posts ago but still you’re keen to make out like I’m saying Gerrard can come to Arsenal with no new players and transform us. Odd really given you’ve just had a paddy at my suggestion of you alluding to luck as seen above.

    Rangers are levels better this season than anything since administration. Levels. Not marginally, not doing well, they’re fucking miles better. If you want to chalk that up to them signing 20 players this season (just like they’ve done the previous 6 seasons) then go right ahead. I’m telling you the difference is Gerrard, and emphasising the importance of a manager that can come in and outline a plan, have a vision of where to go, and execute accordingly.

  117. G8

    To be honest rangers were doing quite well last few years, they won 3 promotions in 4 years
    obviously they had to invest to get back to where they were before..
    Rodgers Celtic this season have been anything between complacent and utter shit.
    And to think some arsenal fans wanted this clown to be our manager!

    Steve G has easier task than lamparad who is doing a better job at Derby.

  118. Upstate Gooner

    G8
    And to think some arsenal fans wanted this clown to be our manager!

    I concur. Brendan Rodgers might be even a bigger fraud than Emery. Yep, it’s confirmed, latest edition of Webster’s dictionary has a picture of BR under “clown”, and Emery under “fraud”.