Lack of belief cited as Emery’s Arsenal tanks again

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Arsenal under new leadership looks exactly the same as the old Arsenal we thought we’d left behind. The sum total of what we delivered in a 3-1 loss was 15 minutes of football that looked interesting. The main celebration of Arsenal fans post-game centred around not losing by 8 goals, as many feared we’d be revisiting that fateful Manchester disasterclass of 2011.

That’s a depressing new low 9 months into a new regime.

I don’t think anyone was really expecting Emery to deliver a blistering win, but I also don’t think anyone expected Arsenal to go down so meekly. Emery was pitched as a master tactician, a man who had a plan for every player, an energetic motivator who was furious at the fitness levels of the players, and on a mission to hold players accountable for their pitiful attitude towards winning. What he delivered yesterday was another shambles shielded by the fact that he has a free season pass with a huge group of the fans who seem to believe that patience and money will iron out the kinks in a body of issues that looks more like coaching issues.

The starting 11 was odd. Emery opted for 4-4-2. He chose to play Iwobi, he once again picked Lichtsteiner, and he left Suarez, Ramsey and Ozil on the bench.

We paid the price within 50 seconds. Guendouzi had tried to move the ball out of our box, he played into Iwobi who dithered and lost the ball, Lichtsteiner was too slow to realize what was going on, Mustafi played everyone onside, and Aguero was found with a diving header he easily put past Leno who jumped the wrong way. We were so stretched early on it was hard to work out what the formation was at times, but what was clear is the defence was shell shocked and hadn’t a clue how to settle.

Arsenal did come back into the game with a great set piece goal from Laurent Koscielny. Torriera found Monreal at the front post, the ball was knocked on for a simple headed goal. We had City rattled for a good 15 minutes, Guendouzi and Torriera were doing as solid a job in midfield as they could considering how outnumbered they were and we nearly took advantage of a few pieces of shoddy defending. But ultimately, we weren’t set up to take advantage of the weaknesses in City’s armour. Our strikers were playing too deep, Auba is ineffective against great sides that control the midfield, we had no width, and our creativity was limited to Iwobi.

To make matters worse, as always with this Emery side, we didn’t have the maturity to see out an advantage into half time, a now chronic issue almost as debilitating to our progress as not winning away from home last season.

Fernandinho had time to pick out Sterling on the right, Lichtsteiner pottered over, the ball was cut back to Gundogan who clipped a ball back over the defence first time, our right back had lost Sterling trying to clear his lines, the ball was volleyed across goal where Aguero was on hand to finish unmarked for the second time.

Emery didn’t do anything to change things at halftime, I thought he might switch to three at the back and introduce some creative talent. We’d not given Lacazette or Auba a single chance the whole half, you felt if we addressed that, we might have made things more interesting.

As it happened, City came gunning for us in the second 45, and we were finished by 60 minutes. Aguerro found Sterling out on the right, Iwobi wasn’t covering, Lichtsteiner couldn’t deal with the pace, a simple cross found Aguero for his third tap-in of the night.

The manager tried to chase the game after that by introducing Denis Suarez for his debut and giving Rambo a run-out, but the players had essentially given up. They knew it was over and they didn’t want to go down fighting. Emery himself seemed to follow their lead offering up Mavrapanos as a 79th-minute sub.

Worth noting that Suarez dropped a debut so bad, there’s a compilation of it. It’s only one game, but I’ve seen him plenty of times before, I’m really struggling to see what he’s brought to the table that we don’t already have at the club. He doesn’t give us width, he’s not physical and he’s slow.

Arsenal were chasing a game in the second half and we managed to register ZERO attempts at the City goal. We couldn’t even provide a wild shot at goal from 40 yards (miss u, Xhaka).

The two bright spots for me were Matty G and Lucas T. Those two worked tirelessly and deserved more out of the game. Matty G is such a great player, I love his ferocity and work ethic, his lanes of passing and his growing confidence. What a star we have there. It’s telling that he’s our most important player at the minute, this reminds me of Jack in his breakthrough year. Let’s hope we take care of MGs body a little better.

So in conclusion, it was 3 points we were all expecting to drop, but a match that once again exposed the manager as lukewarm at the highest level. He made a lot of mistakes yesterday and I think that’s 13 games he’s failed to best Pep. I think this comment after the game was very telling.

“Our players have the mentality that when we are worse than the opposition we feel that.’’

Apparently, that line isn’t a translation issue, he said it over and over again. Though it might be true, you do wonder if Emery was wise to say it? The team are clearly struggling with inconsistent ideas, indecision with team selection and interchanging tactics. I’m not sure throwing stones is smart when you opt to play two strikers and leave all your creativity on the bench. Is Emery really surprised the players didn’t believe when he started Lichtsteiner despite knowing he’s finished at the highest level?

Inferiority issues usually stem from the leader. You’ll always come up against bigger and better-equipped opponents, the key is to find stratagems that convince your soldiers the fight is winnable.

Whatever the reason, Emery’s observation was correct, you absolutely knew that when Arsenal walked out on that pitch they had no hope of winning that game. The players didn’t look like they knew what they were doing and there was the same lack of belief we’d have under Wenger. The interesting thing about the comment is earlier in the season, we were celebrating the shift in mentality under Emery, a manager who said he refused to let his players play like cowards, a manager who had reinvigorated the dressing room with a winning mentality. The proof points were a succession of late winners, games turned around at half time, and 22 games unbeaten (I was saying it too!).

What are we saying now? Was that a mirage? Is it now back to Wenger’s team after 9 months? Do we have to go on a Stalinist purge to rid every single player that had a word whispered to him by our ex-manager before we can be fully satisfied that the new coach has been given the best possible chance?

We are 9 months into this project and we’re on course to concede 57 goals this season. We’ve shipped 13 goals in our 4 big away games so far this season. We look an absolute mess. There was no organisation yesterday, senior players were making basic mistakes (players that have been making mistakes all season), and the tactical hypothesis we went for in leaving our creative players on the bench ended up punishing us because the pragmatism didn’t equate to better defending.

Arsenal didn’t have to travel this week, so they’ve had time to prepare for this game. We conceded 12 shots on target from 19 attempts. That is miserable, but we did the same away at Chelsea (13) and Liverpool (10). Just to put it in perspective because I know we had injuries, Newcastle limited City to 4 shots on target the week before. Even Huddersfield, a team in a terrible state, managed to reduce City to 4 shots on target. Defending is a team game, and we’re not doing it well. Even worse, both the aforementioned sides registered the same number of shots on target as us (2), both had more attempts.

If there is such thing as winning ugly, then yesterday was an example of Arsenal losing ugly. City were average, but as always, we are exactly the team you want to play when you’ve hit a bumpy patch. We’ll always roll over and take it. I knew we’d have problems this season, but I thought we’d see a sharper vision of a new Arsenal sooner. I thought at the very least, if we went down, we’d go down fighting. I didn’t expect the coach to be slaying his player’s mentality in February, especially when 6 of the starting 11 were players bought in during the Sven era (the remaining 5 all capped at international level).

You can attribute yesterday to Wenger all you like, you can plead for more money and patience, but you cannot escape the reality that Emery was hired in as a prestigious head coach of Arsenal and he’s failing across the board. The video analysis hype doesn’t seem to be translating onto the pitch. Maybe players can’t concentrate for the hour or so he spends talking to them, maybe the ideas aren’t good? Whatever Emery and his team are doing defensively, we’re getting worse.

‘I like the possession with the ball, I like good pressing against the other team. I prefer to win 5-4 than win 1-0.’

Today we registered 2 shots on target both shots coming from defenders. The pressing game isn’t really there. The players are not getting better individually. Stylistically, we’re still awful to watch.

That’s on the coach.

Today’s result was expected, the question you have to ask yourself is whether that was the sort of loss that’s driving towards a better Arsenal. For me, all I could take out of that was the dread that we have a manager out of his comfort zone and as a result is shifting his own narrative from a power point mastermind who had a plan to coach us into the next level, to just another drab chequebook manager who needs two seasons to make improvements (remember the press defending Moyes in the same way?).

That’s not what we were sold people because if it were, you’d not have bought it.

Remember, there is nothing rational in calling for patience and investment in a person who isn’t delivering improvement. There is nothing sensible in taking a drab path if you don’t need to. Bruce Rioch hit his objectives in his first season at Arsenal and David Dein took the rational decision to dispense of his services for Arsene Wenger. That’s great leadership. Let’s hope Raul has that in him should the season continue to head south.

Would love to hear your thought in the comments.

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  1. Pierre

    “Nonsense. He’s 19 and impressing for Villarreal. You’d have to imagine that it’s not a fluke and had he been here he’d be doing something to impress us too.”

    Now he’s talking bollocks

  2. qna

    WE, that average would be a lot better in the German league. And he’s have a fraction of a second longer in the box and he probably adds some goals to his game. I think he does well in Germany and if he scores goals his transfer fee will triple to what we could get for him at the moment.

  3. azed

    “Anyone trust Everton to help out the Bin Dippers tonight?”

    You can bet your last cent that Everton fans are rooting for a city win tonight.

  4. WengerEagle

    Someone has given up on Gelson Martins already, loaned his ass out to Monaco.

    Supposedly was taken aback by his shocking end product and technique.
    Your average Sporting Lisbon fan could have told him that. Poor mans Gervinho.

    Shout out to forehead actually, killing the game in Italy with Parma. 8 league goals and all important ones responsible for points on the board. He loves it over there, wasn’t half bad for Roma either.

  5. Dream10

    Wenger Eagle

    Iwobi is a continuity player. Good at getting the ball into the final third. Somewhere btwn an #8/10. Squad player.

  6. Marko

    I know he’s the least of our problems but the point remains if someone bids decent money for him we should consider it

  7. Receding Hairline

    I know he’s the least of our problems but the point remains if someone bids decent money for him we should consider it

    Like how much Marko is decent and who replaces him??

    Lets get the big flops out first…we can’t do everything in one summer window. He has experience and he knows this league, we still need him around. No one is bidding more than 10-12m for iwobi

  8. azed

    Marko

    What’s your definition of decent because Iwobi currently occupies one of the home grown quotas.

    Mavropanos didn’t make the Europa squad because we were one play short of our home grown quota and we had to keep Bellerin, Holding and Wellbeck in the squad just because of quotas.

  9. Nelson

    I just have a look at Chelsea’s schedule. Besides playing 2 UEFA Cup games, they have to face MC, Manure, MC and then the Spuds all within this month. Whether they can stay alive after these.

  10. Marko

    Lets get the big flops out first…we can’t do everything in one summer window

    True but again if someone comes in with a decent bid for him we should consider it. You don’t sell a squad player after a poor season or a failed loan you do it after a decent two seasons. By decent I mean if we got 20 million for him I’d take it.

  11. Ishola70

    Defensive issues sorted out first.

    This team is far too open and easy to create chances against.

    The usual couple of suspects in central defence shipped out plus there must be a solution and the shipping of Xhaka just in front of the defence.

    Xhaka gives two problems to the team though defensively is the most glaring. People were on about how Arsenal do not look good playing and attacking from deep positions. Now I get that Xhaka has a decent left foot and can pick a pass sometimes quite impressively but he has no zip or drive on the ball from deep. This means with him as the fulcrum of getting on the ball deep Arsenal hardly ever break the lines of the opposition team when they are pressing higher up i.e. beating an opposition player going past him.Teams look good from deep when they can break the lines of the opposing players that are pressing them.

    So Kos, Mustafi, Xhaka binned and the fullbacks have to be coached much better in when to break forward and when to sit.

    All this whinging about attacking players is secondary to the problem of the central defence, the player sitting in front of the central defence and the fullbacks.

  12. Marko

    I’d say you’re praying everyday and rubbing all types of trinkets Ishola in the hopes that we get Rabiot. Purely because it’ll certainly mean the end of Xhaka at Arsenal.

  13. Un na naai

    Ishola

    Who do you replace him with that’s better, that we can afford, that would choose arsenal?

    I don’t mind replacing him but world football is short of quality up and coming midfielders since the golden years.
    Rabiot?? Ok I’d take him but is he as good as is being made out? Decent in the French league and obviously good defensively but is he much kop with the ball? Not from what I’ve seen. He’s almost the anti xakha for me. With rabiot, Torreira, AMN and guendouzi we lack a really good crisp passer of the ball. It may be the one thing xakha really excels at but can we afford to lose that left foot with so little creativity in our side? Suarez included.

  14. gambon

    Iwobi is a first team player who has signed 3 contract extensions since breaking into the first team.

    If you think Arsenal have a £230m wage bill by paying established first team players £30k per week, youre crazy.

    That website also says PEA is on £180k per week, when its public knowledge that hes on £200k per week.

    It says Mykhitaryan is on £120k per week, when its public knowledge he is on £150k per week,

    In other words, its complete guess work.

  15. Un na naai

    WE

    Nothing hilarious about it. It’s a waste of potential and an opportunity missed by wenger. That and losing rvp are two of my biggest final grievances with him.

  16. Marko

    Rabiot not nailed on for Barcelona?

    Not since De Jong joined.

    Gambon I heard Aubameyang is on 175,000 flat but has some incentives for starting and us winning games

  17. Un na naai

    Gambon

    So do you subscribe to the notion of getting rid of him?
    I don’t. He’s a useful player and probably our best attacking midfielder this season.
    He’s come on leaps and bounds under emery and he’s certainly a lot cheaper wage wise than a replacement would be?
    I feel we should be installing first team not replacing our better squad players

  18. Ishola70

    Marko
    “I’d say you’re praying everyday and rubbing all types of trinkets Ishola in the hopes that we get Rabiot. Purely because it’ll certainly mean the end of Xhaka at Arsenal.”

    I’d certainly be willing to take a chance on this reported brat Rabiot yes if it meant the end of Xhaka at Arsenal.

    People go on about Xhaka being a defensive liability but he is also harmful to the team from an offensive viewpoint. Just pinging 25 yard balls is very hit and miss from an offensive viewpoint from deep positions. As said Arsenal would look much better from deep with a player that can actually run with the ball with at least some pace and can occasionally beat an opposition player that has come up to press. Break lines. Arsenal hardly ever break the lines with Xhaka on the ball.

  19. Un na naai

    Marko

    I also read that Barca are looking for a striker to replace Suarez and aubameyang is on the list
    Would you let him go for £50m and keep lacazette?

  20. Ishola70

    Un Nai

    “Who do you replace him with that’s better, that we can afford, that would choose arsenal?I don’t mind replacing him but world football is short of quality up and coming midfielders since the golden years.
    Rabiot?? Ok I’d take him but is he as good as is being made out? ”

    That’s for the scouting and management team to sort out and it shouldn’t be diificult.

    Xhaka harms this team defensively and offensively.

    And this is not even going into the problems at CB positions.

  21. gambon

    Un Na

    Im not a huge fan of Iwobi, but I dont think we have the time or money to replace him.

    Hes fine as a squad player.

  22. Freddie Ljungberg

    I don’t get this idea of Xhaka as some creative genius, sure he can float a good looking ball to the left wing but other than that bot Guen and Torreira are better passers than him. Especially if you factor in how they perform under pressure where Xhaka constantly jist gives the ball away.

    Rabiot is also a better passer than Xhaka, can also dribble and drive forward with the ball, and of course miles better defensively, would be a clear upgrade and I’ve been banging that drum since the summer.

    Only problem is his mum and the fact a lot of teams will be in for him. But I think his mum being as she is is what might give us a chance because some of the bigger clubs don’t want to deal with it. We can also guarantee playing time and that he won’t be just a small fish in a big pond, that’s why he wants to get away from PSG so I never quite got the Barca links.

  23. Un na naai

    Ishola

    But who is out there of better quality, affordable and would choose us?

    Not many that I can think of. I don’t think he does harm the side offensively. I think we lose an important facet of our game when he’s not there. I can’t see emery getting rid either as he picks him whenever he’s available for every game.

  24. Un na naai

    Receding

    He was sold for £54m a year ago and hasn’t stopped scoring since. Who is of Barca quality once Suarez and Messi are gone? Kane?

  25. gambon

    Koulibaly has disaster written all over it.

    Will be 28 years old, cost £80m and could find the PL a drastic change of pace.

  26. Un na naai

    Freddy

    He had Wilshere, Cazorla, Torriera guendouzi and AMN as options this summer over xakha. He also prefers a 3 man midfield.

    So I’m not so sure. I think he likes him. If he thought xakha was as big a problem as some fans he could still continue without him or use a 3 man midfield but continues to deploy him in a two man midfield as his go to.

  27. Graham62

    Marko

    I wasn’t highlighting their transfer fees.

    I’m talking about the money thrown away on Ozil’s contract and Sanchez’s derailed move to MC.

    That makes up roughly a quarter of our stadium outlay.

    Scandalous.

  28. Marc

    If you’re a professional footballer in your early – mid twenties why on Earth would you want your Mum to be your agent?

    What a fucking ball ache!

  29. Dissenter

    I don’t understand how Nantes can be demanding the 15 million transfer fee for the late Sala.
    He passed the medical but never got to pay for his new team.
    Surely they’ll wait for the dust to be cleared and the insurers to come in and d=sort things out.

  30. Marko

    I also read that Barca are looking for a striker to replace Suarez and aubameyang is on the list
    Would you let him go for £50m and keep lacazette?

    Yes.

  31. Un na naai

    Pierre

    If you’re reading I’ve fot a stat you’ll love

    Ozil has made just 13 Premier League starts this season and was an unused substitute in the 3-1 defeat to Manchester City at the weekend.

    Last year he became the fastest player in Premier League history to reach 50 assists – in 141 appearances – but in this campaign he has mustered just one.

    From the sun. He’s the first player to reach 50 assists in the premier league ever!! He also creates 100 chances a season in the premier league alone

    I’d like to point out that I’m not a fan and I’d like him gone but those are two damned impressive stats for a player who’s a lazy cunt.
    Imagine what he could do if he really applied his talent. He’s be devastating. Unfortunately he’s TOO subtle for his own good.

  32. gambon

    Dissenter

    I would imagine contracts were signed.

    When the place went down Sala was a Cardiff player.

    I tweeted just as the news broke a few weeks ago that there was gonna be a big argument about payment.

    Unfortunately Cardiff have thrown £15m away.

  33. Marc

    Dissenter

    Technically if the deal was signed, contracts exchanged etc then it’s not on Nantes head and their insurance wouldn’t cover them. As the player (I believe) arranged the flight that’s not on any of the clubs either. Whilst a tragedy no business is going to walk away from a sizable amount of money when they have nothing to do with what’s happened.

  34. Receding Hairline

    He was sold for £54m a year ago and hasn’t stopped scoring since. Who is of Barca quality once Suarez and Messi are gone? Kane?

    Kane is a better all round striker than Auba and need i add much younger too. You cannot get Kane for 50m though

  35. Un na naai

    Marc

    It’s a damning indictment of his personality and psychology for me.

    Saying that. Ronaldo has his mum up front and centre throughout his career and look how well he got on

  36. Un na naai

    Receding

    I agree. I’m not aubameyang’s biggest fan either. Not in this side anyway. But who is Barca quality other than Kane? Who can replace Suarez and Messi? Nobody!!

  37. Un na naai

    There’s a dearth if quality strikers, central midfielders and centre backs in the world these days. It’s all wingers and full backs.

  38. Ishola70

    Un Nai

    “But who is out there of better quality, affordable and would choose us?Not many that I can think of. I don’t think he does harm the side offensively. I think we lose an important facet of our game when he’s not there. I can’t see emery getting rid either as he picks him whenever he’s available for every game.”

    They are having a big debate over at Chelsea for quite a while now about Jorginho another regista style player.

    And the arguments going on over there are very reminiscent as has been at Arsenal concerning Xhaka.

    The number crunchers say Jorginho is not a problem those that are judging him away from spreadsheets say he has been a problem.

    That such debates take place about these two players may suggest there is in fact problems with these players.

    I think overall Jorginho shows more maturity in his play than Xhaka but I don’t go for registas in the EPL. I think they can be flawed.

    Funny enough when Kante played proper holding midfielder he was capable of breaking the lines of the opposition when on the ball. Not the greatest overall footballer but he could run past a player at times because he has a modicum of pace on the ball.

  39. Marko

    Be interesting to see who we target defensively this summer. Konate looks a good shout in fact I wouldn’t mind Upamecano either. And Mukiele looks a player too.

  40. Un na naai

    Ishola

    Xabi, Scholes and carrick worked
    As did fabregas for us and Chelsea.

    Obviously all of those are a different kettle of fish to xakha but they can work. The big debate at Chelsea centres not that Jorginho is deploys but that he’s deploys in the centre in favour of kante who’s pushes to the right.

    We don’t have a kante although I’d say Torriera isn’t a million miles away there.

    But who would you say could replace xakha that we could afford and that would choose arsenal? Just one name?

  41. gambon

    I wonder if ESR going to RB Leipzig was a trade off for us to sign Konate?

    A deal may be wrapped up already for all we know.

    I think we will sign 2 x CBs, one U21 and one at the 25-26 range.

    2 of Mustafi, Koscielny and Chambers to leave.

    Have a feeling Koscielny may see out his contract as a squad player.

  42. Un na naai

    Pierre

    Il repost this for you in case you missed it

    Pierre

    If you’re reading I’ve fot a stat you’ll love

    Ozil has made just 13 Premier League starts this season and was an unused substitute in the 3-1 defeat to Manchester City at the weekend.Last year he became the fastest player in Premier League history to reach 50 assists – in 141 appearances – but in this campaign he has mustered just one.

    From the sun. He’s the first player to reach 50 assists in the premier league ever!! He also creates 100 chances a season in the premier league aloneI’d like to point out that I’m not a fan and I’d like him gone but those are two damned impressive stats for a player who’s a lazy cunt.
    Imagine what he could do if he really applied his talent. He’s be devastating. Unfortunately he’s TOO subtle for his own good.

  43. Marko

    Saying that. Ronaldo has his mum up front and centre throughout his career and look how well he got on

    Jorge Mendes is his agent

  44. Pierre

    Marko
    “Be interesting to see who we target defensively this summer”

    Do you mean the way we targeted defenders in the January transfer window, you and a few others were convinced that Saurez will will be a help defensively.

  45. Freddie Ljungberg

    Un na

    You are the only one thinking we should have given Cazorla and Wilshere new contract so no they were never options.

    He’s had to manage Torreira and Guendozi coming in to a new league and adapting, in Guens case from ligue 2 and being 19. Only other choice for Xhakas position is Elneny.
    AMN not good enough to play midfield and has been injured a lot anyway, Ramsey can’t play at the base of midfield no matter the formation.

    We’ll see in the summer though, I for one hope he’s out the door.

  46. Marko

    I think we will sign 2 x CBs, one U21 and one at the 25-26 range.

    I’m thinking that too but who is another question. Konate and who? Anderson? I personally would like Kimpembe if PSG sign De Ligt

  47. gambon

    Yeah, we say you can have ESR for 18 months, and have first refusal on signing him, if we can negotiate for Konate.

    Its a possibility.

    RBs business model relies on buying low and selling high, so they welcome bids for players, rather than hate them.

  48. Receding Hairline

    Un Na Nai

    Surely you are not suggesting strikers ends with Auba, Kane and all the obvious names

    Piatek just moved to Milan and has scored three already

    The Jovic Kid at Frankfurt is doing well too

    It doesn’t even need to be a stellar name

    Heck they can decide to break the bank and go for Sallah who i know isn’t an out and out striker but will do well at Barca

    And Kane is more Barca quality than Auba so why not him

    Aubameyang is not moving to Barca anytime soon in my opinion..next stop from here may be China.

    I dare say Barca will ask for Lacazette before Aubameyang

  49. Marko

    Do you mean the way we targeted defenders in the January transfer window, you and a few others were convinced that Saurez will will be a help defensively.

    Times like these you remember how much of a dumbass you are

  50. Un na naai

    You are the only one thinking we should have given Cazorla and Wilshere new contract so no they were never options.

    No Freddy
    I’m not the only one who’s noted cazorla’s excellent form this season but yeah I’m the only one who (wenger aside) would have kept super jacky

  51. Freddie Ljungberg

    Marko

    Think we were linked with Upemecano in the January window, problem is I think both of them have long contracts.

    Linked with 19 yo Marseille CB Boubacar Kamara today, compared to Thiago Silva apparently, don’t know much about him except he’s only got a year left of his contract and a lot of big clubs are sniffing around.

  52. Un na naai

    RH

    I’m talking top top Barca level. I’m sure there will be some good strikers coming through but between Messi, Suarez, Ronaldo and lewandowski who are all 30 or over there’s only Kane and the up and comers

    So who can Barca get right now?? Who’s proven?? Who’s got that panache? That je nais sai quoi?

  53. Marko

    There’s a difference between noting Cazorla’s form this season and giving him a new contract after being injured for nearly two seasons. I’d say a big fucking difference

  54. Un na naai

    Marko

    Yes but his mum was behind a lot of his early decision making and Mendez had to contend with her or placate her. He was a right mummies boy.

  55. Pierre

    Un
    Leftsidesanch posted the other day that this season he has created the 2nd most chances in the team which I found surprising as Emery hardly plays him.

    As I said , until the teams performance and results start improving without him in the team then he should play him .

    Maybe Saurez is the man to step into his shoes .

  56. Un na naai

    Marko

    So you don’t think he could have a positive influence on our current side? Especially considering you can’t stand xakha I’d have thought the opposite with you

  57. Ishola70

    Un Nai

    “The big debate at Chelsea centres not that Jorginho is deploys but that he’s deploys in the centre in favour of kante who’s pushes to the right.”

    I have not seen this aspect of the debate and why would they be debating this? What is Jorginho if he is not a central midfielder? What good would he be to this team if he plays away from central? The debates I have seen re Jorginho are exactly the same as there have been about Xhaka i.e. he needs help from others and stat based ones. Even Sarri himself has asked other players to “help” Jorginho on the field.

    You should not be mentioning Scholes really. Scholes was very quick witted and sharp on the ball and was very much a big weapon further up the pitch.

    If you want to see a continued flaw in the team going forward by all means keep overlooking the Xhaka situation.

  58. Un na naai

    Ishola

    But he was a slow regista in the second half of his career
    My point is that it can work in the prem, xakha or not, it can work. Petit was an early form of such a player in our league I think. He sat deep and let vieira run on. Fuck I’d love petit right now in this team.

  59. Ishola70

    Freddie Ljungberg
    “We’ll see in the summer though, I for one hope he’s out the door.”

    Amen to that brother.

  60. Marko

    problem is I think both of them have long contracts

    Till 2021 for Upamecano and 23 for Konate but that shouldn’t be a problem with Leipzig honestly I seen the links to Boubacar. Would explain somewhat the risks taken with no CB’s in January

  61. Dissenter

    “I’m not the only one who’s noted cazorla’s excellent form this season but yeah I’m the only one who (wenger aside) would have kept super jacky”

    Who else refers to Wilshere as “super jacky”
    That’s cringe worthy, yuuuuuck

  62. Ishola70

    Un Nai

    “My point is that it can work in the prem, xakha or not, it can work. Petit was an early form of such a player in our league I think. He sat deep and let vieira run on. Fuck I’d love petit right now in this team.”

    Petit was pretty clued on defensively though.

    We all know there are problems at CB defensive positions but if this team wants to progress going forward then the Xhaka situation has to be addressed at some point and hopefully sooner rather than later.

  63. Marko

    Don he’s coming off of being injured for nearly two seasons and he’s 33/34 now so no we were right to let him go

  64. Pierre

    “Freddie Ljungberg
    “We’ll see in the summer though, I for one hope he’s out the door.”

    Amen to that brother”

    I presume you are talking about Emery.

  65. Freddie Ljungberg

    Ah, only 21 for Upemecano, that’s a bit better.

    Yeah, I’m not worried that Leipzig won’t sell because that’s their business plan, I’m worried how much they’d want for someone with 4 years left of their contract, probably more than we’d be willing to spend.

    Gotta say I like these links to young promising CBs much more than the rabble we’ve been linked to lately.

    I think we’ll only get 1 in though, depending on how quickly Holding is back and how highly they rate Mavro.

    Sokratis, Mavro, Holding, Konate is a pretty decent lineup, think like gambon that Kos stays another year for experience and to play cup games. We can’t fix everything this window.

  66. Un na naai

    That’s cringe worthy, yuuuuuck

    Dissenter

    And that’s the sort of thing a 5 year old girl would say. Except it came from a weird grown man.

    Calls me cringeworthy then says “yuuuuuck”

  67. Un na naai

    Don he’s coming off of being injured for nearly two seasons and he’s 33/34 now so no we were right to let him go

    Marko

    That’s not what I asked
    I asked if you thought he could have a positive influence on our side given his current form?

  68. Pierre

    Ishola
    “I have not seen this aspect of the debate and why would they be debating this? What is Jorginho if he is not a central midfielder? ”

    Of course it is a debate at Chelsea regarding kante being played out of position.

  69. Freddie Ljungberg

    Seriously stop with the Nzonzense now Pierre, we would have been crazy to pay 30m for a 30 year old. That would also have meant we had to sacrifice up to 2 of the signings we made last summer. Think I prefer Torreira and Guen for the same money.

  70. Un na naai

    We all know there are problems at CB defensive positions but if this team wants to progress going forward then the Xhaka situation has to be addressed at some point and hopefully sooner rather than later.

    Ishola
    Do you not think it’s more pressing to areas our glaring back line issues first though along with our wide players/attacking midfielders?

    Still waiting for that elsusive replacement suggestion pal.

  71. Un na naai

    Marko

    I mean we signed Suarez to do a job he could have preformed better in a league he was well acquainted with.

    So surely he’d have been a better option from the bench even than Denis Suarez?

  72. Pierre

    Un
    Cazorla would have a massive influence on the team without a doubt .

    Not sure if he is an Emery type of player though…his running stats are much too low.

  73. Pierre

    Fred
    An Nzonzi/ Petit type player is exactly what we need now that Emery has told Torreira he wants him to attack more .

  74. Un na naai

    Pierre

    I agree. He chose Mkhitaryan Ramsey and ozil though and one way or the other it all went pear shaped with his preferred choices.

    Makes you wonder if he knew what he was doing all along

  75. Ishola70

    Pierre

    “Of course it is a debate at Chelsea regarding kante being played out of position.”

    Yes but how is this relating to Jorginho himself?

    Jorginho is a regista and he sits deep. Simple as that. If he is not in this position he is not in the Chelsea team. If Kante plays alongside Jorginho or just a little behind they lose drive going forward from centre.

    There is no debate regarding Jorginho if he is not played in his deep lying playmaker role. He is out of the team.

  76. Ishola70

    Un Nai

    “Still waiting for that elsusive replacement suggestion pal.”

    I find this request to name a player a little distasteful.

    It implies that you are over-rating Xhaka.

    And I am one that certainly does not over-rate him.

    It’s for the scouts and management to solve this obvious flaw in the team and as said it should not be difficult.

    A player with a modicum of footballing ability along with just a bit of pace should see an improvement. Not difficult.

    Only difficult to those that think Xhaka is actually ok in the Arsenal side.

  77. Pierre

    Ishola
    That is the debate at Chelsea…..should jorginho be in the team , as you say he can’t play anywhere else so it’s a straight choice between kante and jorghinho.

  78. Champagne charlie

    Marko

    Your take on Cazorla is woeful, not even a rudimentary comprehension of injuries or modern methods of rehabilitation.

    Cazorla is fit and playing wel this season for Villareal, that serves as a pretty clear indication he was fit for the prem.

    Whether you think he’s better than what we have is the only discrepancy, and you’d have to get creative to suggest he wouldn’t be an improvement on some of the guys this season.

  79. Un na naai

    Ishola

    No. I wouldn’t agree. I don’t overrate him but I do certainly seem to rate him more than you in the current footballing economy.

    I’m simply asking for your view on a favourable alternative. If you don’t have one then calling me distasteful is, well….. a little distasteful.

  80. Dissenter

    Calling Wilshere ‘super jacky” is indeed very weird
    Which aspect of Wilshere is “super”?

    You man-crush on Wilshere is rather bizarre. You mush have a his picture posted everywhere like a star-struck 5 year old.
    Cringe worthy stuff, blahhh

  81. Freddie Ljungberg

    Pierre

    So which 2 of the summer signings would you have skipped in favour of a 30 yo Nzonzi then?

    And no, Licht doesn’t count.

  82. Pierre

    Un
    Wouldn’t bother trying to educate some on here , injuries robbed Arsenal of 2 of our finest players of the last decade and all le grovellers can do is sneer and make snide remarks about 2 very talented players.

  83. Champagne charlie

    Dissenter

    Super Jacky Wilshere is how he was affectionately named by Arsenal fans, how don’t you know that?

    Su-per, Super Jack, Su-per, Super Jack……

    Have you been to watch the Arsenal?

  84. Pierre

    Fred
    I am making the point that an Nzonzi/Petit type player would improve us defensively …apparently Emery likes experienced ( old) players he knows and trusts.

    Torreira an Guendouzi are very good signings but they haven’t improved us defensively..
    Tony Adams loved petit and Vieira in front of him as he said it made his job so much easier.

  85. Pierre

    WE
    “Jorginho is an insult to registas, imagine building a team around a guy that can’t shoot, dribble, run, tackle or win aerial battles?”

    Amazing he even made it as a professional footballer isn’t it .

  86. Charlie George

    “””We have Ramsey ,Mhkitaryan, Ozil, Iwobi and Smith rowe who play in Denis Saurez position.”””

    Yes, but none are The Teachers Pet!

  87. Un na naai

    You man-crush on Wilshere is rather bizarre. You mush have a his picture posted everywhere like a star-struck 5 year old.
    Cringe worthy stuff, blahhh

    Dissenter
    You continue to eloquently and concisely display the behavioural traits of an attention seeking little girl.
    How very peculiar

  88. Pierre

    David Ornstein comments from yesterday

    ““I’m told Unai Emery likes experienced players, he likes to go with players he knows & trusts.

    “That explains the Nkunku interest, the pursuit of Denis Suarez & the reported interest once again in Adrien Rabiot.”

    A little bit worrying I would say .

  89. Un na naai

    Champagne charlieFebruary 6, 2019 17:56:40
    DissenterSuper Jacky Wilshere is how he was affectionately named by Arsenal fans, how don’t you know that? Su-per, Super Jack, Su-per, Super Jack…… Have you been to watch the Arsenal?

    Charlie

    Half these Shermans aren’t proper gooners. It’s just a personality trait they’ve carefully selected to stand out from the crowd. To seem unique.

  90. Charlie George

    Lotus Cheek good flagging gentlemen

    Big, strong powerful , British- knows the prem . And something to prove

    I am not being flippant. Raul / Emery would not even know the player ..

  91. Pierre

    ” Ornstein went on to suggest that had the deal for Matteo Guendouzi not gone through, Arsenal were lining up talks with Steven N’Zonzi, another player with whom Emery had worked at Sevilla. “

  92. qna

    Torreira has most definitely improved us defensively. Nzonzi was never that good. He is most certainly not a 30 year old we should be spending good money on.

    We should be looking to build a team of young players supported by the older players that we already have. Guendouzi, Mavrapanos, Holding are all very promising. Hopefully Neilson comes back and can take his game to another level. Then we’ve got our Torrerias, Bellerins, Lacazette even that still have a good 4 or 5 years left.

    Mkhitariyan, Sokratis, Aubamayang, Kos, Monreal are/were once good players but they will not be part of our next league title. Why would we possibly add Nzonzi to that list – he’s not that good even if he wasn’t 30.

  93. Pierre

    QNA
    I am in agreement with you regarding building a team with our younger players but I’m not sure Emery agrees with that philosophy going by the comments from ornstein yesterday .

    Torreira was much more effective defensively earlier in the season until Emery told him to attack more , since then defensively he has been suspect as he hasn’t the legs or the energy to play box to box ..

  94. Un na naai

    Cazorla is fit and playing wel this season for Villareal, that serves as a pretty clear indication he was fit for the prem. Whether you think he’s better than what we have is the only discrepancy, and you’d have to get creative to suggest he wouldn’t be an improvement on some of the guys this season.

    Cc

    Your comments do bring a smile to my face.

    Get creative marko.

  95. qna

    Charlie/Un na naiii. I’ve never been to a game. Never even been to the UK. But that doesn’t mean it’s not clear as day that you both have NFI. Going to games actually does make a difference I accept that. But only when you have a brain to start with 😉

    🙂 kidding…

    Its hard to admit that I do have affection for the UK in general and I just prefer the spectacle of English football…… but as far as I know, across the world, you’re known for having no tactics, running up and down at great speed but no skill, all your good coaches are imported, all your best players are imported, the few good players (eg the ENT) are fun to watch but almost all are technically inferior to pretty much any other country of similar stature. 🙂 And the fans are generally not thought of as particularly deep thinkers of the game 🙂

    Jokes aside. England doesn’t have any internationally respected football minds do they? Seriously what English football mind would anybody turn to? Gareth Southgate? Gary Neville and Jamie Carragher? Or someone that coached back in the early 90s when the football was 10x worse in every way I just mentioned 🙂

  96. Un na naai

    Qna

    Of all the greatest coaches in English football history how many are not british?
    Wenger?
    Jose?
    Pep?
    Benitez?

    The rest are british.
    Your assertion that our players just run up and down is also clearly wide of the mark. I wouldn’t expect a bitter Aussie to get anything about the people who created his Great society as most of you are so fucking stupid, I know, I’ve lived there and even the Irish lament your lack of wit.

  97. Freddie Ljungberg

    Un na.

    The only British coach worth a damn in the last 25 years is Ferguson and you know it. Pretty sure he’s Scottish and qna specifically mentioned English football minds.

    You’ve had the odd talented, technical player for sure, but in general he’s right about the lack of skill compared to the other big football countries, and a lot of the smaller ones as well. There are signs that that is changing though so fingers crossed, would love to have more english players come through the academy, they have to be good enough though, not just chuck them in and hope it works out because they’re raised at the club.

  98. Un na naai

    Qna

    Who are the internationllay respected football minds then?
    Jose bombed with United and Chelsea in last 5 years
    Pep spends his way to evrthrimg he’s ever done and struck gold inheriting Messi

    Klopp, ancelotti wenger and Ferguson are the true pioneers of their recent age

    Put Jose and pep on a budget at stoke and watch them flop

    Harry Redknapp is better than emery
    I will always stand by that until the man proves different

  99. Pierre

    Qna
    ” . Going to games actually does make a difference I accept that. But only when you have a brain to start with 😉”

    I think that’s aimed at you Marc.

  100. Un na naai

    Freddy

    Would took a related Fulham to theEuropa league final
    Harry Redknapp took a bottom 3 spurs to Madrid and inter and beat them and turned bale into one of the world’s best players

    Please tell me your list of European world beaters ( there are none outside of Europe)

  101. Charlie George

    Un
    1000% correct. Harry RedKnapp is better than Emery.
    And so is Allardyce.
    Howe, Southgate, Hughton..

    Emery /Silva/ sarri most usuitable coaches in the Prem…

    The frightening thing is , I am not being sarcastic when I say this..

  102. Un na naai

    Would??

    Woy that was meant to say
    Sorry lads
    The old Cabernet Sauvignon kicking in. Another medium fillet of course

  103. Un na naai

    Only Europe produces world class managers

    Only Europe
    But then. We did spawn the civilised world. As much as the rest try to resist

  104. Freddie Ljungberg

    Yeah sure CG, time will tell if Allerdici is a better coach than Emery.

    How fucking stupid are people allowed to be nowadays, seriously. How are you even able to operate a computer or get on the internet, amazing.

  105. Un na naai

    How fucking stupid are people allowed to be nowadays, seriousl

    Your perception of stupidity isnt illegal dipshit.