Lack of belief cited as Emery’s Arsenal tanks again

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Arsenal under new leadership looks exactly the same as the old Arsenal we thought we’d left behind. The sum total of what we delivered in a 3-1 loss was 15 minutes of football that looked interesting. The main celebration of Arsenal fans post-game centred around not losing by 8 goals, as many feared we’d be revisiting that fateful Manchester disasterclass of 2011.

That’s a depressing new low 9 months into a new regime.

I don’t think anyone was really expecting Emery to deliver a blistering win, but I also don’t think anyone expected Arsenal to go down so meekly. Emery was pitched as a master tactician, a man who had a plan for every player, an energetic motivator who was furious at the fitness levels of the players, and on a mission to hold players accountable for their pitiful attitude towards winning. What he delivered yesterday was another shambles shielded by the fact that he has a free season pass with a huge group of the fans who seem to believe that patience and money will iron out the kinks in a body of issues that looks more like coaching issues.

The starting 11 was odd. Emery opted for 4-4-2. He chose to play Iwobi, he once again picked Lichtsteiner, and he left Suarez, Ramsey and Ozil on the bench.

We paid the price within 50 seconds. Guendouzi had tried to move the ball out of our box, he played into Iwobi who dithered and lost the ball, Lichtsteiner was too slow to realize what was going on, Mustafi played everyone onside, and Aguero was found with a diving header he easily put past Leno who jumped the wrong way. We were so stretched early on it was hard to work out what the formation was at times, but what was clear is the defence was shell shocked and hadn’t a clue how to settle.

Arsenal did come back into the game with a great set piece goal from Laurent Koscielny. Torriera found Monreal at the front post, the ball was knocked on for a simple headed goal. We had City rattled for a good 15 minutes, Guendouzi and Torriera were doing as solid a job in midfield as they could considering how outnumbered they were and we nearly took advantage of a few pieces of shoddy defending. But ultimately, we weren’t set up to take advantage of the weaknesses in City’s armour. Our strikers were playing too deep, Auba is ineffective against great sides that control the midfield, we had no width, and our creativity was limited to Iwobi.

To make matters worse, as always with this Emery side, we didn’t have the maturity to see out an advantage into half time, a now chronic issue almost as debilitating to our progress as not winning away from home last season.

Fernandinho had time to pick out Sterling on the right, Lichtsteiner pottered over, the ball was cut back to Gundogan who clipped a ball back over the defence first time, our right back had lost Sterling trying to clear his lines, the ball was volleyed across goal where Aguero was on hand to finish unmarked for the second time.

Emery didn’t do anything to change things at halftime, I thought he might switch to three at the back and introduce some creative talent. We’d not given Lacazette or Auba a single chance the whole half, you felt if we addressed that, we might have made things more interesting.

As it happened, City came gunning for us in the second 45, and we were finished by 60 minutes. Aguerro found Sterling out on the right, Iwobi wasn’t covering, Lichtsteiner couldn’t deal with the pace, a simple cross found Aguero for his third tap-in of the night.

The manager tried to chase the game after that by introducing Denis Suarez for his debut and giving Rambo a run-out, but the players had essentially given up. They knew it was over and they didn’t want to go down fighting. Emery himself seemed to follow their lead offering up Mavrapanos as a 79th-minute sub.

Worth noting that Suarez dropped a debut so bad, there’s a compilation of it. It’s only one game, but I’ve seen him plenty of times before, I’m really struggling to see what he’s brought to the table that we don’t already have at the club. He doesn’t give us width, he’s not physical and he’s slow.

Arsenal were chasing a game in the second half and we managed to register ZERO attempts at the City goal. We couldn’t even provide a wild shot at goal from 40 yards (miss u, Xhaka).

The two bright spots for me were Matty G and Lucas T. Those two worked tirelessly and deserved more out of the game. Matty G is such a great player, I love his ferocity and work ethic, his lanes of passing and his growing confidence. What a star we have there. It’s telling that he’s our most important player at the minute, this reminds me of Jack in his breakthrough year. Let’s hope we take care of MGs body a little better.

So in conclusion, it was 3 points we were all expecting to drop, but a match that once again exposed the manager as lukewarm at the highest level. He made a lot of mistakes yesterday and I think that’s 13 games he’s failed to best Pep. I think this comment after the game was very telling.

“Our players have the mentality that when we are worse than the opposition we feel that.’’

Apparently, that line isn’t a translation issue, he said it over and over again. Though it might be true, you do wonder if Emery was wise to say it? The team are clearly struggling with inconsistent ideas, indecision with team selection and interchanging tactics. I’m not sure throwing stones is smart when you opt to play two strikers and leave all your creativity on the bench. Is Emery really surprised the players didn’t believe when he started Lichtsteiner despite knowing he’s finished at the highest level?

Inferiority issues usually stem from the leader. You’ll always come up against bigger and better-equipped opponents, the key is to find stratagems that convince your soldiers the fight is winnable.

Whatever the reason, Emery’s observation was correct, you absolutely knew that when Arsenal walked out on that pitch they had no hope of winning that game. The players didn’t look like they knew what they were doing and there was the same lack of belief we’d have under Wenger. The interesting thing about the comment is earlier in the season, we were celebrating the shift in mentality under Emery, a manager who said he refused to let his players play like cowards, a manager who had reinvigorated the dressing room with a winning mentality. The proof points were a succession of late winners, games turned around at half time, and 22 games unbeaten (I was saying it too!).

What are we saying now? Was that a mirage? Is it now back to Wenger’s team after 9 months? Do we have to go on a Stalinist purge to rid every single player that had a word whispered to him by our ex-manager before we can be fully satisfied that the new coach has been given the best possible chance?

We are 9 months into this project and we’re on course to concede 57 goals this season. We’ve shipped 13 goals in our 4 big away games so far this season. We look an absolute mess. There was no organisation yesterday, senior players were making basic mistakes (players that have been making mistakes all season), and the tactical hypothesis we went for in leaving our creative players on the bench ended up punishing us because the pragmatism didn’t equate to better defending.

Arsenal didn’t have to travel this week, so they’ve had time to prepare for this game. We conceded 12 shots on target from 19 attempts. That is miserable, but we did the same away at Chelsea (13) and Liverpool (10). Just to put it in perspective because I know we had injuries, Newcastle limited City to 4 shots on target the week before. Even Huddersfield, a team in a terrible state, managed to reduce City to 4 shots on target. Defending is a team game, and we’re not doing it well. Even worse, both the aforementioned sides registered the same number of shots on target as us (2), both had more attempts.

If there is such thing as winning ugly, then yesterday was an example of Arsenal losing ugly. City were average, but as always, we are exactly the team you want to play when you’ve hit a bumpy patch. We’ll always roll over and take it. I knew we’d have problems this season, but I thought we’d see a sharper vision of a new Arsenal sooner. I thought at the very least, if we went down, we’d go down fighting. I didn’t expect the coach to be slaying his player’s mentality in February, especially when 6 of the starting 11 were players bought in during the Sven era (the remaining 5 all capped at international level).

You can attribute yesterday to Wenger all you like, you can plead for more money and patience, but you cannot escape the reality that Emery was hired in as a prestigious head coach of Arsenal and he’s failing across the board. The video analysis hype doesn’t seem to be translating onto the pitch. Maybe players can’t concentrate for the hour or so he spends talking to them, maybe the ideas aren’t good? Whatever Emery and his team are doing defensively, we’re getting worse.

‘I like the possession with the ball, I like good pressing against the other team. I prefer to win 5-4 than win 1-0.’

Today we registered 2 shots on target both shots coming from defenders. The pressing game isn’t really there. The players are not getting better individually. Stylistically, we’re still awful to watch.

That’s on the coach.

Today’s result was expected, the question you have to ask yourself is whether that was the sort of loss that’s driving towards a better Arsenal. For me, all I could take out of that was the dread that we have a manager out of his comfort zone and as a result is shifting his own narrative from a power point mastermind who had a plan to coach us into the next level, to just another drab chequebook manager who needs two seasons to make improvements (remember the press defending Moyes in the same way?).

That’s not what we were sold people because if it were, you’d not have bought it.

Remember, there is nothing rational in calling for patience and investment in a person who isn’t delivering improvement. There is nothing sensible in taking a drab path if you don’t need to. Bruce Rioch hit his objectives in his first season at Arsenal and David Dein took the rational decision to dispense of his services for Arsene Wenger. That’s great leadership. Let’s hope Raul has that in him should the season continue to head south.

Would love to hear your thought in the comments.

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  1. Charlie George

    receding

    interesting link.

    I don’t think Sol – would have said what he said – if he was now not a manager, himself…
    by the way has any
    Has any incumbent manager ever criticised a fellow working manager?

  2. Receding Hairline

    “The Gooner understands that agreement has been reached with Belgian club Genk to buy winger Leandro Trossard for €25 million at the end of the current season.

    Trossard has taken time to develop, spending four seasons out on loan at various second tier Belgian clubs up until 2016, where he scored consistently. In the two and a half seasons since his return to Genk, he has scored 33 goals in 93 appearances. However, 16 of those have come in 22 matches this season, which suggests significant improvement as he has become more of a fixture in Genk’s starting eleven.”

    From the Online gooner

    23 and only just blooming

  3. qna

    Marko. It’s 100m “provided” we make the Champions League though isn’t it? So 40m is basically spot on. We won’t make CL bookmark it.

  4. Charlie George

    receding

    I find it so bizarre – you rate a coach like emery. Who is so substandard for us.?

    you must have very low Arsenal self esteem….

    under Wenger – we used to win trophies on average twice a year. Buy some cracking players from Sanchez, Ozil to Carzola.. and always try and play an exciting , fluent brand of football…( I accept it was far from perfect…)

    Yet you think – this guy is fit for purpose…

  5. Bamford10

    Marko

    Well, I hope Ornstein is right, obviously, but he has been wrong before, no? My understanding is that if we have spending restrictions this summer, they come not from a shortage of revenue or cash but from what FFP rules dictate when you incur operating losses.

    See Terraloon’s discussion of this from yesterday.

    The basic idea, if I understand correctly, is that to compete in Europe you have to keep your losses above 15m on an ongoing basis. Thus if we were to end this fiscal year with, say, a 50m operating loss — a possibility, apparently — this could have significant implications on what we can spend this summer.

    Again, I don’t know enough to say if this is the case, but it sounds plausible.

    It’s hard to say which of the two stories — we will only be able to spend 45m; we will have tons of cash on hand — is correct, but in a sense, they both could be: we could have 150m in cash on hand this summer and huge expected revenues, but if we incur an operating loss, FFP rules might restrict what we can do in the market.

    I’l l let guys who better understand the details of finance, accounting and FFP tell us more about this.

  6. qna

    Charlie. Fans like you are the reason we are in this mess. And you have the nerve to have a crack at the bloke who is tasked with dragging us out? Lol.

  7. Bamford10

    QNA

    While I agree we have no chance of finishing top four, I think there is still a chance we could win the Europa. Our first XI should be decent later in the spring and anything is possible in a cup competition, esp. with strikers like Auba and Laca. I don’t think we’re favorites, but we have a puncher’s chance.

  8. Marko

    It’s 100m “provided” we make the Champions League though isn’t it?

    “I’ve been told that it could be around £100m to spend. As we know with Arsenal, that would factor in salaries as well, and we need to see what competition they get in”. No he doesn’t say we have to make Champions League. Two seasons out of the Champions League and we’ve spent 70 million and 110 million on two strikers.

  9. Charlie George

    qna

    i could counter your argument. And say fans – like you – sound like spoilt children!
    (And embarrassing.)

    The detested Wenger got Arsenal to 20 Cup finals . Even last year.
    Regular CL football
    Superb football.

    I accept – he should have left a few season ago,, though,
    You Should accept – emery is 3rd rate in comparison to AW!

  10. Receding Hairline

    I find it so bizarre – you rate a coach like emery. Who is so substandard for us.?

    Unai Emery:

    Sevilla

    UEFA Europa League: 2013–14,[60] 2014–15,[24] 2015–16[61]
    Paris Saint-Germain

    Ligue 1: 2017–18[62]
    Coupe de France: 2016–17,[63] 2017–18
    Coupe de la Ligue: 2016–17, 2017–18[36]
    Trophée des Champions: 2016, 2017[33]
    Individual

    Miguel Muñoz Trophy (Segunda División): 2005–06, 2006–07[64]
    European Coach of the Season: 2013–14
    UNFP Manager of the Year: 2017–18[67]

    Very average Manager Charlie George

    Those Englishmen you keep talking about, where are their honors??

  11. Marko

    Well, I hope Ornstein is right, obviously, but he has been wrong before, no?

    He sure has I remember him saying we had no money before in the previous summer and then talked about us bidding for Lemar. Everyone can be wrong but he is still very much in the know and I’d believe that figure more than the 40 million that was being pushed around here. Funny how it used to be 30 million.

  12. qna

    Bamford. Maybe. But with the loss of Bellerin, now being forced to play Licht. I am calling it now. Hope I am wrong.

    It’s a big prize though. If we win that, we have £100m to spend, lose and we only have £40m. Even with £100m, 4 out of 5 of the other top 6 clubs will spend close to that or more. This process has to be planned and methodical and it will take several years. It will take money and patience. By the looks of our fans turning on Emery already it doesn’t look like this club has the stomach for what is needed.

  13. Receding Hairline

    We are not finishing top four …forget about that.

    We have already dropped a lot of silly points along the way and in as much as the run in is favorable we have reverted back to our old habits away from home.

    Concentrate on the Europa league and let’s see what we can get out of it..it’s winnable but only just.

  14. Leedsgunner

    £100m quoted by Ornstein is inclusive of the cost of not only the transfer fee but also the cost of wages.

    Unless we sign complete unknowns on junior salaries, £40m to £50m for transfer fees alone is probably accurate if we look for two or three premium players on competitive market wages.

  15. gambon

    Trossard is 24, and never played for Belgium.

    he has only 1 under 21 cap.

    Not sure hes going to be the brilliant attacking midfielder we need, but at least we are being proactive (assuming this story is true)

    Hes spent most of his time at Genk out on loan. He has never scored for any of the Belgium youth teams.

    He has once been called up to the senior Belgium squad at age 23.

    I’m not very happy with this.

  16. Charlie George

    receding

    wenger 20 years tenure:

    7 FA Cups
    3 League titles
    —-
    10 Big trophies/20 years=every 2 years

    Emery came 2nd in a one horse race in France.
    Emery had one job to do in his PSG career- do well in CL .
    He failed in humiliating style with his mega expensive team.

    He has failed before- he has been sacked before (x3)
    He will fail here,
    He is substandard.

  17. gambon

    The whole “wages come out of the transfer pot” thing throws everyone, and is badly explained.

    We have a wage bill of £230m, so a better way to look at it, would be to say

    – We have £100m to spend on players, assuming we dont expand the wage bill

    or

    – We have £330m budget including wages

    Clearly anyone that comes in will be offset by at least one outgoing.

    For example, if we sign a CB, Mustafi & Koscielny may go, both of whom are on c£100k per week.

    If we sign a left back, one of Kolasinc or Monreal will leave.

  18. Marko

    It’s a big prize though. If we win that, we have £100m to spend, lose and we only have £40m.

    Same could be said of last summer and we spent 70 million. Oh and this summer we have new sponsors kicking in. I would say at this stage the 40 million is more than likely just another stick to beat whoever with at Arsenal. You also have to factor in the 100,000’s already being freed up in the summer not to mention the almost certain departure of others and there’s significant wiggle room for us this summer

  19. Leedsgunner

    gambon

    Fair point and I overstated my position (oops) but I think our transfer kitty exclusive of wages will probably be no more than last summer at the very most.That being said we need to be smart about selling our deadwood players and ineffective youth players to bolster our pot as soon as possible.

  20. Cesc Appeal

    I really don’t understand this whole wages coming out of the transfer budget thing.

    Your wages are not an upfront expense, they are a monthly expense. If you bring in say Konate and he wants £80 000 a week why is that taken out of our transfer budget when surely, for example, Ramsey leaving means we would be up £20 000 a week. Or we’d have £80 000 a month less costs just looking at that isolated example?

    If you managed to shift the pussy you might free up the majority of new wages you’d be putting 3-4 buys on in the summer.

    The wage bill is likely to go down this summer regardless of buys, so I don’t get this.

    You’re not paying their wages up front, it’s one thing if our wage bill was going to remain at £250 Million or whatever it is, but if we’re losing wages then you needn’t devote anymore funds to it. If by the end of the summer our wage bill was £260 Million you could understand £10 Million coming out of the transfer budget to cover the new costs of a year.

  21. qna

    Charlie. You could counter my argument. But you’d be wrong. Just like you were wrong about Wenger for the last 10 years during which he turned a once fantastic and incredible legacy into dog shit.

    In the end, fans like you kept him in his job giving him enough rope to hang himself and destroy his own legacy. At his peak he had acquired hundreds of millions of dollars worth of playing assets and the club had more money in the bank than any other. But in the end our assets are worth peanuts and our next transfer budget is less than what the promoted championship sides will spend. In Wenger We Trust.

  22. Marko

    I’m not very happy with this.

    But you want us to be more like Dortmund… this is it. But I see your point I too would prefer someone like Thorgan Hazard but he’s 25 and would cost 30-40 million.

  23. Cesc Appeal

    Also, as many have said before, if you pay £40 Million for someone in June 2019 that doesn’t mean you’re paying £40 Million for them in June 2019.

    It might mean you’re paying £20 Million for them in June 2019 and another £20 Million in June 2020.

  24. Marko

    10 Big trophies/20 years=every 2 years

    22 years to be exact. Man 3 league titles none of them back to back in 22 years…glad the fucker is gone

  25. Marko

    Not making a case for Trossard at all but even Thorgan Hazard who’s 26 in March has struggled with Belgium. 19 appearences for Belgium 11 of which came in 2018 suggests that it’s hard to get a look in. Still though

  26. Un na naai

    Ornstein says the budget is closer to 200 million. So we can stop with this whole 40 million bollox

    Marko

    Then why are all the major british news outlets quoting £40m marko?
    Don’t get me wrong it’s good news if we do have £100m over £40m but I’m not, or wouldn’t be surprised if they give him the paltry amount quoted.

  27. Marko

    Cech, Ramsey, Welbeck and Lichtsteiner are at the very least gone in the summer freeing up likely between 250,000 and 300,000+ a week at least. And then you have to factor in the likely departures of the likes of Mustafi, Koscielny and I believe Ozil and Mhiki. I’m hoping for Xhaka too but he might survive the culling. Point is that we’re going to have plenty of options in the summer in which we can get creative in the transfer market. And yes I do believe that Mustafi, Ozil and Mhiki are realistically speaking going in the summer

  28. englandsbest

    intothered

    It seems to me that Emery iS focusing on the defence, and was well on the way to getting it fixed until injuries cost him Holding, Kos, Socrates, etc, etc. Even George would have had a problem. That is probably why he acquired an over-abundance of top class defenders, particularly at CB – Adams, O’Leary, Keown, Bould are the names that come immediately to mind.

  29. bennydevito

    I see Charlie Chuckle George has got his chucklevision on again.

    https://twitter.com/SunArsenal/status/1093129877979623424?s=19

    After their first 24 games in charge Emery is 3rd benind Conte and Pep but above Mourinho, Poch, Klopp and Sarri in points gained and having spent the 2nd least amount of money behind Poch.

    Chuckle chuckle vision, Charlie Chuckle vision.

    And in their first 24 games Emery has outdone Wenger as well.

    https://twitter.com/MrFane87/status/1092543471527833600?s=19

    Chuckle chuckle vision, Charlie Chuckle vision.

    The Charlie Chuckle brothers of LeGrove really aren’t worth arguing with as their Spanish hating bigotry prevents them from judging Emery with any semblance of objectivity.

    Chuckle chuckle vision, Charlie Chuckle vision.

    A right pair of Charlies.

  30. Graham62

    qna

    Regarding your 13:04 post, 100% correct.

    Charlie can’t counter it because he knows you’re highlighting the truth.

  31. Receding Hairline

    “I’m told Unai Emery likes experienced players, he likes to go with players he knows & trusts.

    “That explains the Nkunku interest, the pursuit of Denis Suarez & the reported interest once again in Adrien Rabiot.”

    Bit of lazy Journalism from David sorry to say

    Unai has given Torriera and Guendouzi lots of playing time this season and he definitely didn’t know them from the past. Sokratis too.

    It will be a silly mistake to allow him bring in players he knows from the past as they are mostly 30 year olds.

    A technical director should be appointed, he gives player profiles and is made to chose from options. It’s the way he worked at Valencia, Sevilla and PSG ..no need changing that now

  32. Receding Hairline

    Sancho and Pulisic were both under 18 when pinched.

    We can’t build a team of 18 year old’s, he means like Dortmund in terms of value. The player in question has played 29 games this season and has 17 goals and 9 assists from the wings, He is 24 not 25.

  33. Champagne charlie

    “The Charlie Chuckle brothers of LeGrove really aren’t worth arguing with as their Spanish hating bigotry prevents them from judging Emery with any semblance of objectivity.“

    Err what?

  34. WengerEagle

    RH

    But it’s not like Dortmund then? Similar value but entirely different scenarios, way more upside on a 17 year old for 10 million than a 24 year old for the same price.

    Yes, in Belgium. A weaker domestic league than Turkey which is being lit up by players not good enough anymore for the PL.

  35. Pierre

    RH
    “We are not finishing top four …forget about that.”

    I disagree.

    Our league run in is very favourable, we have fewer games to play because we have been knocked out of the domestic cups , unlike the others and we should be fresher and fitter than all the other top sides as they have many more tough physical battles ahead , so I see no reason why we shouldn’t finish in the top 4 or at the very least competing to the end for a top 4 place.

    The team and The squad is good enough , we just need one person to install some confidence in the team and focus on the positives,not the negatives.

    Get ozil and Mhkitaryan back in the starting line-up ,play 4-2-3-1 and the results will come .

  36. Marko

    Modest money for a talented player tearing it up in a piss shit league sounds like a Dortmund kind of move. Oh because he’s just turned 24 and not 18 is what makes him different. I’ll be honest it’s fans who bare witness to players like Iwobi and Ozil and then turn their noses up at prospective replacements that do my tits in. What do you expect? What do you want? This is where we’re at. At best in that area we could sign someone like Pepe or Lozano and you’re looking at 30-40 million minimum. Anyone bigger than that and I suggest you think of a change in teams

  37. Receding Hairline

    Yes, in Belgium. A weaker domestic league than Turkey which is being lit up by players not good enough anymore for the PL.

    Players like??

    Bear in mind i don’t even have time for the player in question but i reckon he has been scouted. Have you watched him extensively Eagle or are we now going to dismiss players based on their age??

  38. WengerEagle

    Ozil and Mhik together, you having a laugh?

    Hasn’t been a single match this entire season that they’ve both had a good game together, one is always wank and a good amount of the time they both are.

  39. Majesticgooner

    When does emery intend to give the young U23s right back Osei-tutu a chance? He is alread 20 yrs old and quite built, if I remember correctly Bellerin was blooded at 18, surely he would be an improvement on leichsteiner, I suspect he does not fancy Jenkinson probably he is more in the mould of the old school defender who would hoof it into row z instead of trying to play out from the back , which is not emery wants. Mavrapanos is another he should start playing, because that is the main reason we cannot implement the high press game, it leaves us susceptible to the ball over the top when everyone closes down and unfortunately we don’t have fast enough defenders to defend the ball over the top, just watching Man City , how the pressed from the front in the second half knowin they had the pace at the back to take the chance of winning the ball up top, that was why we found it so difficult to get out of our half. Lastly we need fresh energy in the team, no harm giving that young boy Saka a run of 15 mins or so in the team , fresh legs and taking on players, he’s got to be brave.

  40. WengerEagle

    RH

    Rodallega, Robinho, Ozyakup previously, Ryan Babel, Adebayor, Bafetimbi Gomis, a 50 year old Eto’o, etc.

    No I’m not completely dismissing him, just find it an underwhelming link given the level of player that our rivals look at.

  41. Marko

    Mavropanos I’d definitely start giving minutes to absolutely. It’s in an area that we’re lacking numbers and quality in so we wouldn’t be taking much of a chance on him really.

  42. Pierre

    “I’m told Unai Emery likes experienced players, he likes to go with players he knows & trusts.”

    The one player that he knows and trusts that he should have brought in at the start of the season who would have made us better defensively is Nzonzi…he would have sat in front of the back 4 all day long giving them protection and we wouldn’t now be talking about how poor defensively we are as Nzonzi knows his job.

  43. qna

    Charlie #2: err what??

    Shall I help? I am pretty sure he is talking about you and the other Charlie and calling you the Charlie Chuckle Brothers. I like it.

    Two Charlies, who stood by Wenger as he drove his ship into the cliffs. But now they want a managers blood – 24 games in lol. And he’s shown how laughable that is because his first 24 league games are up there with best in class. Great post Benny 😉

  44. Champagne charlie

    Haha even Weagle now getting it from the bobble heads because he doesn’t follow the script to a tee, magic

  45. Micheal

    AST is reporting that our revenues in this financial year will fall behid the Spuds. AST told The Standard: “The wage bill has grown too big at a time that revenues have fallen due to only qualifying for the Europa League. For this current season (2018-19), we expect Arsenal to make a loss of about £60m. Even more shocking is that our revenue will fall behind Spurs.”

  46. Marko

    just find it an underwhelming link given the level of player that our rivals look at.

    Spurs were linked with him but I see your point. Maybe we should wait until Sancho is available and get involved in that bidding war for him

  47. Receding Hairline

    I guess Mavropranos will feature more prominently going forward, everyone seems to ignore the fact he was injured and just recovering. As for the Tutu kid i have never seen him play so i do not have an opinion there. Saka should definitely be playing, Iwobi needs a breather, Sunday was the worst i have seen him play.

    Mustafi and his agent should be told he won’t be here next season, when i search for top 10 most expensive defenders in the world and see Mustafi my heart bleeds.

  48. useroz

    Mustafi played RB for Germany and also for Wenger. Some mentioned ages ago he started a RB…

    Say the RB is kind of sorted for now. Have we enough available first team CBs??

    Kos, Mavros… Omg!

    Ok, count Monreal.

    3 moving CBs ffs, and we are Arsenal!

  49. Alexanderhenry

    Pierre

    I don’t see it that way.

    To finish top four, we have to finish higher than man utd and chelsea.

    I think we’ll finish behind both, so it’s 6th for me.
    That isn’t actually a disaster for a first season.

  50. WengerEagle

    Change teams, haha pipe down there lad. You see me calling for Hazard or Bale?

    If you can’t spot the difference between the potential in a 17 year old compared to a 24 year old well I can’t help you and this intriguing debate ends here.

    I’d like us to look at players with higher potential, wouldn’t you? Sure this lad could prove to be a masterstroke, chances are though that’s he’s average hence still playing domestically in Belgium in his mid 20’s.

  51. Marko

    Haha even Weagle now getting it from the bobble heads because he doesn’t follow the script to a tee, magic

    We’re disagreeing opinions dumbass he’s not getting it. Grow up it doesn’t have to be tribalism everytime you debate with someone. If he starts making excuses for Wenger then you might be onto something

  52. Pierre

    WE
    “Hasn’t been a single match this entire season that they’ve both had a good game together, one is always wank and a good amount of the time they both are.”

    Simple explanation for that , they have hardly started a match together …

    The only time this season we have started a game with Ozil Aubamayang, Lacazette and Mhkitaryan togethe r was in the home game v liverpool and that was one of our best performances of the season …..strange how Emery has refused to start our most potent attacking players any other time.

  53. Receding Hairline

    Eagle i thought you were talking about the Belgian league not the Turkish when you mentioned players going there past their prime

    Of course the Turkish league is the dumping ground which is why we are hoping they move for a certain number 10

  54. gonsterous

    Alex henry

    I think we’ll finish behind both, so it’s 6th for me.
    That isn’t actually a disaster for a first season.

    funny how you are not sprouting the old judge him in may line, something you were more than happy to do with wanker.

  55. Pierre

    Alex if You look at the others fixture list , they have tough schedules compared to us …there will be many points dropped between now and the end of the season and we might be able to sneak in the back door.

  56. Emiratesstroller

    Frankly I was surprised when it was alleged that Arsenal’s net transfer budget this summer was only £45 million. This is below the net spend of several clubs
    in the EPL including Bournemouth and Brighton who have a fraction of the resources of Arsenal.

    I have always believed that Arsenal’s net transfer spend was in alignment with
    our commercial sponsorship packages. In June that is likely to be £100-110 Million.

    What does have to be factored in is instalment payments from previous years.
    Also any potential increase in wage bill covered by new signings. That has always been included in this bill at Arsenal.

    It is highly unlikely that Adidas would agree to take over as our equipment sponsor and double the spend unless the money was being invested in improving the team. Adidas are not going to spend £60 million on an unambitious club.

  57. Marko

    So what’s the plan then WE? To get away from the likes of Iwobi and Ozil and Ramsey and Mhiki what’s the plan then? Prospective 18 year olds? 24 year olds under the radar? Or ready made attackers with high transfer fees? Don’t mistake my tone for anything I’m merely asking what do we do? We’ve been linked with Perisic, Carrasco, Suarez and now Trossard recently (that’s off the top of my head) and fans have had an issue with them. Were linked with Sarabia before and it was the same. Fornals? Same thing. I’m starting to think that we should just stay as is or bring back Cazorla and cause that is what they want

  58. Receding Hairline

    “Can you name me anyone that’s come out of Belgium in their mid 20’s that’s gone on to do damage in a top European League?”

    Nope i cannot, they usually leave early if they are hot. But there is such a thing as a late bloomer. And players who coast 22m pounds aren’t exactly bought to do “damage” you know, if they play well and retain their value i think that would be nice.

  59. WengerEagle

    Pierre

    You’re shifting the goalposts there, how do Auba/Lava factor in to this?

    Countless matches start of the season where Oz and Mhik both played and one always was poor, distinctly remember the Leicester match where Ozil could do no wrong and looked sensational, best performance in an Arsenal shirt to date. Mhik was pathetic that day.

    You have to go with one or the other imo. Not exactly a blessed choice but I’d give Ozil the nod because he has a higher ceiling when he’s on his game.

  60. Marko

    strange how Emery has refused to start our most potent attacking players any other time

    Mhiki’s been injured and Ozil’s been shite/faking an injury/playing Fortnite all season

  61. Marko

    That’s another thing if Trossard hasn’t left Belgium before a certain age does that mean he has to stay there forever? Tough break for the lad

  62. WengerEagle

    RH

    Liking our chances there.

    Could be a tidy little signing if we had discretionary funds to have a pop at being clever but if we have 100m approx as is being mooted, that’s a sizable chunk of our budget on let’s be fair likely the only wide/forward player we’ll sign.

    Sane, Sterling, Bernardo Silva, Mane, Salah, Hazard, Willian, Son, Lucas Moura, Martial. That’s what we are up against so forgive me if I’m not over the moon with this being our potential wide forward solution.

  63. englandsbest

    Michael

    Of course Arsenal revenue will fall behind Spurs, it was only £10 million ahead last year.

    AST predicts a £60 m loss? That makes Ornstein’s availability of £200m sound as nutty as it gets. And forget £40m, it will zero.

  64. Micheal

    “Of course Arsenal revenue will fall behind Spurs, it was only £10 million ahead last year. AST predicts a £60 m loss? That makes Ornstein’s availability of £200m sound as nutty as it gets. And forget £40m, it will zero.”

    Don’t shoot the messenger ! I am only passing on AST comments in an interview..

  65. Marko

    Sane, Sterling, Bernardo Silva, Mane, Salah, Hazard, Willian, Son, Lucas Moura, Martial. That’s what we are up against so forgive me if I’m not over the moon with this being our potential wide forward solution.

    So who then? Keep in mind that it’s a 100 million budget. 20 million a sizeable chunk of it sure then who can we get that’s better for less? I personally don’t care one way or another about Trossard but the dismissing of signings when we have what we have currently is what confounds me. We are shite have been shite for years been sleep walking even longer and you expect us to do what exactly? I mean this is it baby steps not great strides but it’s all we can manage

  66. WengerEagle

    Well it depends really Marko doesn’t it, do we want to go for quantity over quality or vice versa?

    The hope would be the latter so 100m gets you 2-3 very good players if you’re looking in the right spots. You could get 5 decent players for the same price but the quality is likely to have been diluted unless you’re a recruiting genius.

    I’d prefer 1 top quality wide man or at least with top notch potential ala a Mane than taking punts on players performing in much weaker leagues at a level that’s not remotely comparable to the PL.

    Put it this way, I’d much rather that we only bought 3 players this entire summer than 6-7 lower priced potential bargains but also likely average talent.

    The narrative peddled on here is that there is nobody that we can sign for under 70 million and that even Morata costing this rules out any chance at picking up top talent for less, it’s complete nonsense.

    I could literally produce a list of 10 plus wide players that have gone for as low as 30 million and no higher than 50 million in the last couple of seasons.

  67. Dissenter

    “Chuckle chuckle vision, Charlie Chuckle vision.
    A right pair of Charlies.”

    What about this blog sets off so much creative banter

    I loved that benny. You need to pretend that you’re dim or you’ll ruffle too much feathers.

  68. Marko

    If it makes you feel any better WE I don’t think we’re sign just one attacker this summer and I don’t think we’re going to sign Suarez permanently either. I expect players being sold which will mean more having to come in. As for the signings being comparable to the likes of Hazard and Sane? With our budget I’d be doubtful

  69. qna

    Marko: So who then? Keep in mind that it’s a 100 million budget.

    As I said Ornstein has conditioned that figure on CL qualification. Do you seriously think that is on the cards? So most likely the figure given by Cross of £40m has some merit.

    As to who? Could you have listed Dembele before Sven signed him for Dortmund. Or Mbappe before Monaco spotted him? This is the type of player we need to be buying. Only problem is our talent spotter has left. Huge loss. I really hope we didn’t piss him off and drive him out without having an equally good talent spotter to replace him. Seems unlikely that we did.

  70. gambon

    As Weagle says, huge difference between an unknown, uncapped 18-19 year old and a 24 year old.

    I’m more than happy with us going out there and signing little known players, but Trossard really doesnt excite me, or most of the fans I would imagine.

    Sancho was £7m as a 17 year old.
    Pepe was £10m as a 21 year old

    These are the kind of deals we should be doing.

    Ive said loads of times, Samuel Chukwueze is the guy we should be after.

    Villareal have no hope of keeping hold of him. 19 years old, 5 goals and 2 assists in his first 1100 minutes of football. Great dribbling and shooting numbers.

  71. Marko

    I could literally produce a list of 10 plus wide players that have gone for as low as 30 million and no higher than 50 million in the last couple of seasons.

    I could too. My preferences being Pepe and Lozano. But you’re looking at more than a sizeable chunk of your budget being gone. And who’s to say that isn’t going to take place either? Way I figure it is we’re not going to be shopping for a single attacker this summer. No fucking way. Ramsey is gone Welbeck is gone and no way Ozil is here next season. And I’d say Mhiki is gone too. So this notion of it just being potentially Trossard seems silly to me.

  72. WengerEagle

    Marko

    How much are you projecting that Pepe and Lozano are sold for?

    Cause I can tell you now that you’re mental if you see them fetching more than 40 million each and that’s if you have a shit negotiating team.

  73. WengerEagle

    You really think that Lille are in a position to play hard-ball?

    They’ll moisten up and spread the legs as soon as an offer of over 30 million comes in, given that Pepe is extremely likely to push for said move.

  74. Dissenter

    gambon
    “Villareal have no hope of keeping hold of him. 19 years old, 5 goals and 2 assists in his first 1100 minutes of football. Great dribbling and shooting numbers.”

    be careful with that though. He may have had a very purple patch.
    Remember when Reiss Nelson could do no wrong.

    Chukwueze will look at how Kelechi Nwakali who was signed the same time we failed to sigh him as progressed…and run away.
    Nwakali had a very good reputation too and we haven’t helped him much. Chukwueze will be languishing in god-knows-where had he come to Arsenal in Jan 2016.

  75. Marko

    Weren’t we linked with a Chuckwueze move next summer? I totally agree. Though I would like to point out Chuckwueze and Havertz and Sancho and the likes are being bought for paltry sums anymore those days are over. Some totally unknown from City’s youth set up went for 11 million just there and as far as I can tell he’s no Sancho. Heck even Bayern just spent 20 million for a fucking Canadian kid from the MLS. Things have changed. But certainly Chuckwueze should be available cheap enough because he’s got a low contract

  76. gambon

    Just a note that a £60m loss doesnt mean the club has £60m less than we did last year.

    The main reason for the loss is the amortisation cost to the club, which isnt a cash cost.

    Thats the reason it was a bit silly to give everyone a second chance this season.

    Emery shouldve been a bit more decisive and sold a few players.

  77. Dissenter

    There would be a feeling of delirious ecstasy had Trossard been reported as a 29 year old that’s coming on the recommendation of Sven
    Such is life.

  78. Marko

    How much are you projecting that Pepe and Lozano are sold for?

    30-40 million each. Lille might could ask for more because of interest in Pepe but not much more. I think one of them are on personally. Don’t ask me why but I see us signing one of them in the summer

  79. Champagne charlie

    Benny

    Care to substantiate your “Spanish hating bigotry” you’re intent on claiming?

    Third time I’m asking now.

  80. Receding Hairline

    Considering the reported budget Emery will have this summer, Sherwood does not think Arsenal can pull off or find a transfer like Alli’s as he explained why Pochettino can ‘cope’ with spending such little money.

    “The reason why Tottenham can cope with [hardly spending any money] is that since Pochettino’s been at Tottenham [five years] they have signed 27 players,” Sherwood told the Debate show on Sky Sports on 05/02/2019.

    “He [Poch] doesn’t need so many [players because he can cope]. He [Emery] has been their 10 minutes. He needs bodies. He’s had one transfer window. You have to give him at least three or four transfer windows to bring his own people in.

    “Now, with £40 million, what are you going to bring in with any quality? It’s not all about how much you spend. It’s about having the right scouting network… to find the talent. Whether they are £5m like Alli. Do you see that sort of transfer at Arsenal? We haven’t seen it at all!”

    Everyone seems to think a manager new to a club deserves the opportunity to bring in his own people with the exception of certain on here..

  81. Dissenter

    Did anyone see the video of Mourhino falling on the ice rink in Moscow?

    Only Russians will put a red carpet atop ice. Were they setting him up for the laughs?

  82. Graham62

    £63 million on Mesut Ozil. £60 on Sanchez.

    A quarter of the cost of building the Emirates stadium.

    Breath that in folks.

    This is why Wenger’s legacy is in tatters.

  83. Receding Hairline

    “There would be a feeling of delirious ecstasy had Trossard been reported as a 29 year old that’s coming on the recommendation of Sven
    Such is life.”

    Dissenter he is actually a Sven find

  84. Marko

    Nwakali who was signed the same time we failed to sigh him as progressed…and run away.
    Nwakali had a very good reputation too and we haven’t helped him much

    What could we have done differently? Played him first team? Difference between him and Chuckwueze is that Chuck is taking his opportunity to impress while Nwakali didn’t at Venlo, Mastrich (sp?) Or now at Porto.

  85. Receding Hairline

    “What could we have done differently? Played him first team? Difference between him and Chuckwueze is that Chuck is taking his opportunity to impress while Nwakali didn’t at Venlo, Mastrich (sp?) Or now at Porto.”

    I was actually going to point that out. Nothing wrong with sending a kid out on loan for first team experience and he hasn’t exactly impressed on this loan moves. Hear he is actually playing for Porto B not the first team.

    Are we supposed to grant him a first team place to impress other youngsters to join??

  86. WengerEagle

    Marko

    Well there you go.

    Spend 22m on a 24 year old that’d unproven outside of Belgium and uncapped or 10-15m more on the younger Pepe, one of the top scorers and performers in Ligue 1 where Lille are sitting above a quality Lyon side in 2nd or somebody that’s won the league as the best player for PSV, has played CL football and performed really well internationally in Lozano who’s also younger I may add.

  87. Marko

    £63 million on Mesut Ozil. £60 on Sanchez

    42 and 35 million. But I get the sentiment. Wasn’t the stadium 600 million?

  88. Dissenter

    I’ve come to believe that we have too many players who are unteachable.
    Mustafi is a prime example. He is irredeemable and just has to go.
    Xhaka too has entered that category for me, despite some of his good qualities.

    The uncoachables, too far gone oldies and lazy [previously] untouchable twats need to be ditched this summer.
    We need a Trumpian disruptive approach this summer.
    #draintheswamp

  89. Dissenter

    Receding
    I’m pretty sure Chukwueze wouldn’t be sung about had he stayed at Arsenal.

    How do I know?
    We are insisting on playing two center forwards no matter what. That’s why.
    That’s why we still don’t know why Saka is capable of.

  90. Cesc Appeal

    Apparently BvB are one of the clubs keen on Trossard. Supposedly this was a Mislintat spot as well.

    I’m not saying I wouldn’t prefer Pepe, but I’m not necessarily really disappointed. There were and are still strong links to Lozano at £35 Million as well. It might be a case of Trossard and Lozano instead of just Pepe?

    Especially if Monchi is arriving I have full trust in our transfer decisions. I think all our buys last summer have ranged from decent to great with the exception of Lichtsteiner who was free.

  91. Marko

    Spend 22m on a 24 year old that’d unproven outside of Belgium and uncapped or 10-15m more on the younger Pepe

    I don’t think it’s an either/or situation though. I highly doubt that. But let’s say it is and let’s play devil’s advocate here… I actually can’t there’s no way Trossard is the only attacker we bring in with a budget of around 100 million with apparently 4 players being targeted. That would be assuming that we’re spending around 80 million on a LB and CB. I just don’t see it just being him.

  92. WengerEagle

    Players that I hope are sold/binned this summer:

    Kolasinac
    Elneny
    Lichtsteiner
    Mustafi
    Xhaka
    Mhikitaryan
    Ozil
    Jenkinson (lol how tf is he even still here?)
    Welbeck (possibly keep as squaddie)

    We can’t move forward with any of this lot and expect to be competitive once again. Overhaul badly needed.

  93. Marko

    I’m pretty sure Chukwueze wouldn’t be sung about had he stayed at Arsenal

    Nonsense. He’s 19 and impressing for Villarreal. You’d have to imagine that it’s not a fluke and had he been here he’d be doing something to impress us too.

  94. Cesc Appeal

    WE

    Would be a huge drop in wages as well.

    You think just losing Mustafi, Ozil and Mkhitaryan will add up to about £32 Million a year off the wages. Ramsey and Cech going takes another £10 Million off the wage bill.

    This is why I just don’t buy the whole transfer budget mean wages as well. Only if we’re adding to our current wage bill, then you need to add more money to cover higher operating costs.

    I actually think we will end up with a massive negative in the wage bill after the summer meaning we can actually throw more money in fees around due to less operating costs freeing up more funds.

  95. Marko

    We are insisting on playing two center forwards no matter what. That’s why.

    That’s because they happen to be our best players and we are struggling with actual wingers and attackers. I would actually say given what Chuckwueze is capable of doing had he been here you’d likely see him playing for us over Iwobi

  96. Leedsgunner

    Before Highbury was sold and we redeveloped into our new stadium, we were told our lack of stadium revenue was holding us back from competing against and with the best teams for the best players.

    Now even with the Emirates behind us, we’re once again behind the biggest clubs because we refused to adapt under Wenger and Gazidas for a decade and the new realities of oil and billionaire financing means we’re pretty much back where we were before the stadium move.

    Unless we make champions league football and make better use of its revenue very soon we’re in danger of being cut down into the shape of a mid table club.

    We’re paying the price for not modernising soon enough.

    Wenger left us in a mess hasn’t he?

  97. WengerEagle

    Drogba had already had two outstanding seasons in France prior to Chelsea signing him.

    He cost 24 million let’s not forget which was quite a bit of money in 2004.

    Bit of an exception to the rule as well.

  98. Marko

    WE of the list I hope Kolasinac and Xhaka are gone but of everyone else there should be no doubt they’re off Koscielny too. No one trusts Mustafi and no way you have another season of Ozil sitting on his arse they’ll come to some sort of arrangement

  99. WengerEagle

    Wouldn’t touch Ravel M, all the talent in the world as a youngster but is a complete tosspot that will never cop on.

    If you’re having problems with every coach and club you play for chances are that you’re the uncoachable wanker.

  100. Marko

    I would say also I doubt that it matters who is this new technical director whether it’s Monchi or Overmars no way Ozil survives

  101. WengerEagle

    Hopefully CA, we have a lot of players on terrible contracts and overinflated wages and AW is largely to blame for that.

    Emery gets my sympathy in this respect, tough ask to move on players happy to sit on millions of pounds a year that they know they don’t make elsewhere.

    Also are at the centre of the football media world and nightlife in London which is great for the old social media clicks innit.

  102. Pierre

    Marko
    “That’s because they happen to be our best players and we are struggling with actual wingers and attackers”

    Aubamayang played out wide earlier in the season and it worked well , Lacazette was up top , ozil was CAM and right side was Mhkitaryan or iwobi .

    It was working well 4-2-3-1 ..shame that Emery has changed the system but I’ve no doubt you have an explanation as to why a winning formula was changed .

  103. Marko

    Ravel Morrison and Reece Oxford are talent in name only these days. No Sancho for sure. I like that Mason Mount lad on loan from Chelsea. You’d have to believe he’s the next young player sold and then re-signed by Chelsea

  104. Pierre

    Until I see an improvement in the teams performance and results without Ozil in the starting line up then of course I want what’s best for the team …

    That’s what any supporter of a team wants…isn’t it?

  105. Marko

    It was working well 4-2-3-1 ..shame that Emery has changed the system but I’ve no doubt you have an explanation as to why a winning formula was changed .

    I do. It’s because Mhiki was poor/got injured and Ozil’s been shite/faking an injury/playing Fortnite all season long. Done now go away you weirdo

  106. WengerEagle

    Was Oxford ever a name?

    Literally had 1 decent game against us funnily enough as a 16 year old which was what, 3-4 years ago?

    Barely played a game since and his attitude apparently stinks.

  107. Pierre

    Anyway , I doubt he will get anywhere near the team now that Saurez has arrived .let’s hope he’s better than Ozil which shouldn’t be difficult by the way le grovellers denigrate Ozil.

  108. qna

    WengerEagle. Your list of players to move on is spot on. Except I would add Kos and of course Cech is retiring. I also wouldn’t keep Suarez. Reserve the right to change my mind on that one.

    I would also loan out Iwobi to a decent German club and then try to sell him in 12 months. I think he would do well.

  109. Marko

    Ah Declan Rice hard to know if he’s like a proper legit prospect or if he just looks good in a midfield at West Ham. I just don’t know. He looks good but I can see him eventually making the step up to a big club and being a squad player.

  110. Marko

    I would also loan out Iwobi to a decent German club and then try to sell him in 12 months. I think he would do well.

    I disagree with this mainly because I think that he’s impressed enough this season. And if a bid came in for him we should consider it. Now before the usual types come in and start talking about home grown quotas and the likes remember that Nelson is coming back next season and you could also promote someone else. Basically if you get a good enough offer for him there’s no reason not to accept it

  111. Pierre

    Marko
    “Ah Declan Rice hard to know if he’s like a proper legit prospect or if he just looks good in a midfield at West ham, I just don’t know”

    Words of wisdom from Marko.

  112. Receding Hairline

    “Weirdo” for supporting one of our own players ?

    How many times will Ozil let his team down for you to even acknowledge that??

    You say our lives have been wonderful since we signed Ozil but under him we became a Europa league team

    It is also well documented he requests not to be picked for away games he believes will be physical.

    What exactly do you believe Ozil will offer this team at 30, retired from the national team with zero motivation??

  113. Pierre

    “I would also loan out Iwobi to a decent German club and then try to sell him in 12 months. I think he would do well.”

    Yes it’s Marko again ….A fountain of football knowledge.

  114. Pierre

    “I would say also I doubt that it matters who is this new technical director whether it’s Monchi or Overmars no way Ozil survives”

    Guess who.

  115. gambon

    I wouldnt loan Iwobi out.

    Surely you loan players out to get first team experience. Iwobi has 120 games experience.

    I would just have him as a squad player.

  116. WengerEagle

    Iwobi been more impressive this season, has he?

    His numbers are pretty much the same as when he was in his teens.

    He has no future here as a starter unless we’re happy with being a Europa League outfit. So squad player or sell.

  117. qna

    I’d loan out Iwobi because I think he could raise funds to invest in the squad. If we tried to sell him now we would barely get 10m for him. Put him in a sub standard league for a year and he does well and all of a sudden that triples.