Emery is football’s gold/blue dress meme. What do you see?

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Unai Emery and his situation at Arsenal is the gold/blue dress meme. You can look at yesterday as a beastly flogging from Lady Luck, with Emery having to navigate a tough game with Sokratis busting his ankle, followed by Koscielny breaking his jaw (get well soon). Or you can look at the deeper patterns that have plagued our season. Poor setup, tactics unsuited to the talent we have, meshed in with sloppy in-game management.

It’s hard to absorb losing two defenders in an important game, but it’s an interesting spin to suggest that we’d have survived that game with any defensive combination when you consider the unsolved structural issues that have not been addressed in 8 months, even after a five player £70m injection of fresh blood. We were ripe for the picking yesterday. We played a high line against an electric group of forwards despite having a collection of very slow players in our backline. A recipe for failure that played right into the hands of a United that sat back and waited to sucker punch.

Sure, we had a lot of possession, but that was part of the Ole G game plan. We’re a toothless force moving forward and very predictable. Emery doesn’t like to play through the middle of the park, instead, he prefers to cycle the ball until he can attack from wide positions for a cutback. Sometimes it works, most of the time it’s bland on toast and fairly easy to control.

The game looked extremely Wenger-ish. Emery didn’t manage his tactics or his subs well and he failed to adapt as the game slipped away from him. After United scored their 3rd, we didn’t register a shot for 20 minutes.

Yes United has better players (gold), but weren’t we hiring in a coach who could help us punch above our weight? If the only issue he had was players, what was the point in spending £17m to ship Wenger on? Stupid question: The issue was coaching (blue), that’s where the low-hanging fruit was. We have £223m worth of talent in a squad packed with internationals. We beat Chelsea with ease a few days ago, we beat Spurs in December. We should be harder to topple.

Arsenal players are the kings of the individual error (gold). Petr Cech had a shoddy game, Xhaka is a bag of mistakes, and Mesut Ozil dropped another middle finger to a coach he clearly believes he can outlast. Our defence was utterly clueless, but again, my question is this: How can coaches of pony clubs with next to no budget set their defences up to be more watertight than ours?

The manager looks bereft of ideas on the touchline. I wince every time I see him pull that petrified look like the police have just pulled up on his drive after he bought a bag of something naughty from the dark web. It doesn’t inspire confidence. Body language is important. He looks lost out there.

However, I accept that this is a game of opinions. Some of you see patience as a virtue and believe in the norms of football that suggest we should give him more money and time. Others are taking a more pessimistic view, seeing the absolute lack of improvement all over the pitch and wondering how we walked right into another nightmare manager scenario.

Pep, Poch and Klopp all had time and all spent money. On paper, it would be fair to give Emery the same chance. Question is, do you honestly believe that would reap rewards? Do you see Emery with a ceiling as high as those three? Plenty believe so and that’s fine. You are gold, I am blue.

That’s the beauty of football my darlings.

Onwards we go… Europa and #Top4 is the target!

584 Responses to “Emery is football’s gold/blue dress meme. What do you see?”

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  1. bennydevito

    Pedro,

    I do yes, but being realistic did we honestly expect huge improvements so soon into a new manager’s tenure?

    What does worry me and I have said this at the start of this post’s comments is that defensively we’re still making the same mistakes as a Wenger team did and there doesn’t appear to be any improvement in our defence, not even in basics as picking up the runners.

    I have conceded that you, the mighty g, CG, CC and Pierre might be right and that come the end of the season we might have to seriously address the Emery question, I do admit that, but I’d rather wait and see how the whole of the season pans out before making that judgement right now.

  2. Batistuta

    Pedro

    And we’re 3 points behind 4th place Chelsea so if that’s our target and we’re still in January, what’s with all the moaning then?

  3. Valentin

    @Dissenter,

    It looks like the Nkunku rumour was true and Arsenal are interested, but it was leaked by his agent. Tuchel does not seem to be taken by him. He does not play anymore. On top of that PSG are trying to recruit a 6 (defensive midfielder) but most are also 8 which would put him in direct competition with Nkunku.

    From an Arsenal’s perspective I suspect that somebody has suddenly realised that if we were to lose Ramsey due to the restrictions on the number of non-home grown player, we would have to ditch one senior non-home grown player the most likely being Elneny and Lichsteiner. If nothing was in motion for either of them, we would end up playing a player for 6 months without being allowed to use him in the premiership. Not a very smart move.

  4. Pedro

    Batistuta,

    Chelsea have conceded 17 goals this season and their problem is scoring. They just sign the Hig.

    United are on a roll and have the muscle memory for top 4. I think they already have more clean sheets than Emery in 8 games.

    We haven’t improved anywhere, our defenders are getting battered and our manager looks clueless.

    But sure, let’s get hyped about top 4.

  5. Charlie George

    Rspc

    “”They extended contracts in the hope they can sell …””

    Why not apply that logic with Ramsey, then?

    He is worth more….

  6. Receding Hairline

    Everton and West Ham were touted as two teams with ambition before a ball was kicked…their seasons effectively just ended and both managers spent loads on new players.

    The clueless still has everything to play for this season… Still in Europe still in the top four mix

  7. Freddie Ljungberg

    CG

    Because Ramsey wanted much more than he’s worth and no one would have been interested in buying him on an inflated long term contract. Do you ever think before you post?

  8. Kay

    Why is there this expectation from arsenal fans, that the club has to hire a manager, so gifted, so technically superior, that arsenal fc can go on to genuinely challenge for top honours, while still operating self sustainably and relying project youth 2.0. Is that a reasonable expectation? Also if this magical, uber coach actually exists, why on earth would he want to manage arsenal?

    THIS….!

  9. Kay

    Emery isn’t sinking the ship.

    He agreed to be the manager of a sinking ship.

    We absolutely shouldn’t try to be a Dortmund+++ with the revenue we generate and with a massive stadium.

    Either you to promote and buy youth where you need patience or buy experienced if we want top 4 now.

    We cant be flip flopping at every given oppotunity. And being an hypocrite and all that.

  10. Carts

    LOL @ Perisic

    That has to be a clickbait or maybe we’re simply looking for fresh impetus to get us through till the end of the season before we’re able to assess the situation more closely

  11. Champagne charlie

    Receding

    Got a little chip on your shoulder mate? All the veiled digs at me are embarrassing. Petulant and insecure, nailed it way back.

  12. bennydevito

    Pedro’s right; I think Chelsea will turn their ship around with the signing of Higuain, a player Sarri likes and can get the best out of, this will.also free up Hazard to move back to his favoured position allowing Kante to return to his. Chelsea will finish above us I believe.

    The man Utd train will keep rolling too – they have a much better, more expensively assembled squad that is way better than Moaninho led us to believe, as is evidenced by their current form. I think Utd too will finish above us.

    The question is whether Spurs can stay ahead of us whilst Kane is injured and Son is away. I think they will and will also finish above us.

    I think we will finish 6th, precisely where most of us expected us to finish before the season started and where we all agree having the 6th best squad in the league should see us finishing. The questions at the end of the season when we finish 6th will be:

    – Have we shown signs of improvement in our overall play both defensively and offensively?

    – Do we have enough money to improve the squad technically to make the leap 2 places to 4th?

    – If we don’t have the money, can Emery coach and integrate our youngsters into the squad to make the leap 2 places to 4th?

    Tough questions which we should know by the end of the season.

  13. Negation

    “You guys are really scraping the barrel when the only way to defend your man is Pelligrini’s West Ham problems”

    Pedro, scraping the barrel is ALL you do these days. Like a critic, it’s easier to criticise and say what you think is going wrong – Henry and Neville did that for ages, until they were given a chance to put their ‘hallowed’ knowledge into practice, and we all know what happened afterwards. So when people attempt to laugh at your choices of managers that Arsenal should have, it’s because they are trying to point out that everybody can talk a good game- on paper. If we cannot imagine a sensible, feasible – but most important, CERTAIN – alternative to what we have now, they what are we doing other than blowing hot smoke?

    But please, pay me no mind – “Emery is average…” please continue.

  14. Cesc Appeal

    I like how people are making conclusive statements about the direction the club is going in when in the space of 10 months we’ve changed manager, brought in a DoF, lost a CEO, sacked a head of recruitment, looking to bring in a Technical Director, have spent a measly £64 Million on a 6th placed team, have been restricted by an out of control wage bill in a league with massive spends and some of the best manager’s around.

    Talk about a f*****g joke. It’s like critiquing someone’s rowing style when they’re just trying to stop their boat capsizing because some twat loaded it improperly and there’s a great big f*****g hole in it.

    Some people need to get a serious grip.

    Short term solutions are available to those who can pump £200 Million into a team. That isn’t us, of the top 6 teams we’re 6/6 with minimal financial resources, having been incompetent at squad building and resource allocation for 4 years, with nothing to sell to raise funds.

    This is going to take a long time, end of story.

  15. bennydevito

    I seriously despair at the players we’re linked with this winter – we may as well not bother signing anyone, keep our powder dry & use our youngsters. That way if Emery fails we can give our limited funds to whoever the new manager may be & our youngsters have gained experience.

  16. bennydevito

    How much do people reckon we could pry Maguire away from Leicester for? £40m? Or is it going to be more like £75m?

    What about Chilwell?

    For me it’s our defence that is the utmost priority and we should go for serious prospects in lower tiered clubs looming for a step up in their careers who are young enough and good enough to be sold on again to your City’s or Barcelonas at huge profits should we fail to be league contenders in 3 or 4 seasons time.

    What about Coady of Wolves?

    Who else?

  17. Cesc Appeal

    Benny

    We’re apparently looking at players like Kelly a CB at Bristol and Konsa at Brentford. Those are the type of signings we will need to make or smart moves for foreign players.

    A buy like Maguire will cost about £60 Million which will be over half our budget.

    When you consider we have so much wrong with this squad and a limited amount of players that other clubs will want, or will want for any sort of decent fee we’ve got to be smart.

  18. Marko

    Pedro knows CA that’s why. Bang on the money about everything really. Hasn’t got the faintest of clues who should take over though. We made the wrong managerial choice and all the lemmings can come up with is Arteta and Benitez. It’s a remarkable watch really

  19. Marko

    Anyway Malcom rumours still searching and Kike Marin has us linked with a RB target in Holland which has me wondering could it be Dumfries of PSV who’s very interesting. Other than that it seems we’re fishing for this month.

  20. Pedro

    Marko, I think the point is that If we were going to go with a transition manager, Rafa would have done a better job. Not that he’s a dream candidate.

    Negation, not sure what you’re getting at. Are you saying I need to be put in charge of the club?

  21. Leedsgunner

    So what is the low down with Sokratis and Koscielny?

    I’m hearing broken jaw for Laurent? If so at least 2 months to three months out probably.

    What about for Papa? Anyone update me please?

  22. Pedro

    CA, i’m not sure I can but into the idea that we should be happy with a coach that’s not managed to improve the defence, attack or style of football in 8 months.

    Bielsa had a wildly different style implemented in 2 months. 7th to promotion candidates.

    Emery dropped £70m on defence and Newcastle have conceded less.

    No excuse. It’s such an exaggeration to make out we’re some nightmare disaster zone that no one could handle.

  23. Marko

    Rafa would have done a better job.

    You absolutely don’t know that. Not even remotely but it won’t stop you from saying it

  24. Marko

    Whoever was taking over was going to be a transition manager and was going to have a tough job considering the state of the squad. Only difference is that you’re willing to give Emery no time but someone like Benitez more time. I get it. Pure and simple it boils down to who you like and who you don’t like.

  25. Pedro

    Negation, I’d not manage. I’d work behind the scenes. Maybe in an innovation role.

    I’d bring AI to football.

    And robots to take you down when you spoke ill of me on AFTV.

    Don’t even think about it

  26. Cesc Appeal

    Pedro

    Where were the manager’s lining up for us then?

    Why was the best we could manage a baggage handler, Vieira and Emery?

    This is a monumentally huge job.

    Yeah the defence is disappointing but we’re still very much in with a chance of 4th fighting against a side that were champions the season before last and had a one time in your eyes ‘special sauce’ manager, another side that has had £700 Million dropped on it and we’re doing with this with the worst side out of City, Liverpool, Spurs, Chelsea and United.

    I think you need to drop some of the hysterics. Things could be better and there are gripes to be had, but you ain’t half going on without presenting any solutions at all outside of vague statements like ‘BvB +++’ or ‘special sauce’ or ‘exciting’.

  27. Pedro

    I’d give any manager time if I saw improvement or glimpses of something special.

    Getting neither under Emery after 8 months.

  28. Champagne charlie

    “You absolutely don’t know that. Not even remotely but it won’t stop you from saying it“

    Funny, hasn’t stopped you continually dismissing Arteta with aplomb without such knowledge.

    Rafa was better suited to the role of steadying us is the point. Argue that if you like but Emery’s hand is there for all to see and so far it’s the same cards Arsene had.

    Rafa is the antithesis of Wenger, rigid, defined, tactical, pragmatic. The tonic our top heavy side could’ve used in the interim.

    .

  29. Negation

    “And robots to take you down when you spoke ill of me on AFTV.Don’t even think about it”

    Looooooool. Fair enough. I’d give you a chance because we were on the same side for so long re: Wenger.

    EIght months should do it.

  30. Champagne charlie

    “You absolutely don’t know that. Not even remotely but it won’t stop you from saying it“

    Funny, hasn’t stopped you continually dismissing Arteta with aplomb without such knowledge.

    Rafa was better suited to the role of steadying us is the point. Argue that if you like but Emery’s hand is there for all to see and so far it’s the same cards Arsene had.

    Rafa is the antithesis of Wenger, rigid, defined, tactical, pragmatic. The tonic our top heavy side could’ve used in the interim.

  31. Nelson

    With Sven leaving, I think the board or the owner should address the fan and explain what is the goal of the club and how do we get there. Financially, the board should explain why there is no money and also makes it clear that the owner is not putting his debt onto the club. Maybe the fans should be united and force the board to address our concern.

  32. Leedsgunner

    I was hopeful during our 22 unbeaten run that we had truly turned a corner, however if last night proved anything it proved how far we are from competing with our rivals.

    We basically played our first XI and we were taught a lesson in counter attacking football.

    As the game goes we weren’t embarrassing and we were not outplayed and we showed plenty of drive and positivity but we lacked the know how to create realistic scoring chances despite all the possession we enjoyed.

    We seemed to be working the ball around their area for the perfect goal rather than just launching the ball into the box… and we didn’t test their keep anywhere near enough.

  33. Pedro

    CA, i’m not sure what I could write that would satisfy you. You don’t seem to believe that good coaching can deliver results to this squad and you think Emery was the best we could do.

  34. Pedro

    CA, our football style is to hunt out overlaps from wide positions and look for a cut back. It’s dull as dishwater. Nothing exciting coming of that approach.

  35. Champagne charlie

    Pedro

    In Madrid good sir, just getting back from a brutally good Venezuelan restaurant. Worse things to do on a Saturday night.

  36. Marko

    I can say with certainty that Arteta would have been a failure. No experience taking over a lackluster club with a poor squad. You think Emery is doing an awful job with our defensive players imagine what Arteta would have been capable of.

  37. Champagne charlie

    Marko

    Yea, and there’s why you’re not someone to take seriously.

    ‘You absolutely don’t know Benitez would’ve done a better job’

    and at the same time..

    ‘I can say with certainty Arteta would have failed’

    I’ll leave Un na to lay it out for you as per.

  38. Pedro

    Yes, I live in Soho. I have a little stint where I’ll be in Atlanta soon, they have a pretty good football team by MLS standards.

    How long you been in Madrid?

  39. Pierre

    What’s with all the doom and gloom on Le Grove.

    look on the bright side …Ozil will be back in the starting line up on Tuesday night .that’ll cheer Marko up .

    Maybe Mhkitaryan back as well hopefully , leave the headless chickens ( iwobi and Ramsey) on the bench and play Aubamayang,Lacazette, Ozil and Mhkitaryan and watch us rip them apart .

    No need to worry about our defence as Cardiff will be so worried about our front line that they won’t want to commit too many players forward.

    If Mhkitaryan is not fit then bring Saka into the equation, the problem is ,Saka doesn’t look like an Emery type player , much too composed on the ball , with a few nice little tricks to gain half a yard of space, doesn’t chase around a lot though does he.

    It’s a bit early in his career I know ,but I can see a little bit of the old Nottingham forest winger from the Cloughie days in Saka ……Scotsman John Robertson , what a class player he was, he had no real pace but never failed to produce from the left wing.

  40. Valentin

    @Pedro,
    Tactically Emery wants to hunt in pack, retrieve the ball high up and then use pacy wingers or fullbacks to create an overlap wide and then score from the cut back. Not only it is dull, but it is also predictable and worse still lately not very efficient. Very few of our goals came from that setup. It has been either set pieces or individual brilliance.

    It was exactly the same at PSG. What was also the same was an inability to beat well drilled team setup for counter-attack. There is no shame in getting beaten by Barcelona, but there is when your team fell big time again for the exact same tactic a year later by Real Madrid to eliminate PSG in the Champion’s league. To the PSG’s board that looked too much like a coach who has reached the limit of his ability, is stuck in his way and is not learning from his defeats. When you add the falling out with star players and two directors of football then the decision not to renew was an easy one.

    I see exactly the same pattern emerging at Arsenal. The difference is that Arsenal does not have the infinite pot of gold to recover from past mistakes.

    In less than 6 months, at Leeds Bielsa has transformed a team of misfits into an exciting, cohesive unit.
    At Lille in Ligue 1 with virtually no money, Christophe Galtier has transformed a team near relegation into a team in second place fighting for Champion’s league.
    So good coaches can make quick positive differences. With Emery the results are marginally better, but the football is not better and our defense is worse. So much for hiring a proper coach, much better tactician than Wenger.

    The idea that with 200 million we can get back into champion’s league is a pipe dream. Kroenke is not going to spend his own money on Arsenal. He bought the club to make a steady stream of revenue into his own coffers not from his bank accounts.

    In order to get back to the top, we need to hire top staff. In Business there is a say, A hires A, when B hires C. Clearly Gazidis was a greedy B who has hired a B-/C+ coach. More importantly A is not afraid of recognising when he/she made a mistake and fire an unsuccessful executive. The bus question will the board act as A or B and play self-preservation?

  41. Marko

    Also I’m not sure about this idea of Benitez being this great defensive solid coach. He lasted mere months at Real, Inter and Chelsea. At Napoli in 2 seasons he conceded 52 and a whopping 82 goals (didn’t qualify for the Champions league knocked out by Bilbao) hot damn. Actually makes you wonder why Benitez even came up honestly. No real point of looking at his defensive stats at Newcastle I doubt it makes for good reading honestly

  42. Champagne charlie

    Pedro, only here for a week seeing a couple of friends. Southeast of the UK beckons soon enough so making the most of it.

    I never ventured that way when in the states, hear good things about that neck of the woods and south of that still.

  43. Marko

    Charlie I can say with certainty re Arteta because neither Wenger or Emery could get anything remotely decent from the likes of our lot and there’s nothing to suggest that he can. But I’ll play along. What makes you think that a total unknown and assistant manager could sort out our defensive performances? Over say two experienced managers

  44. bennydevito

    Champagne Charlie,

    We’ve all seen what Benitez can and can’t do from the tears we’ve watched him as a manager.

    We don’t know what Arteta can or can’t do because all we’ve seen of him is having chats with Pep in the dugout, so Marko is in a fair position to make that call in his opinion.

    I’ll leave Un na to lay it out for you as per.

  45. bennydevito

    Valentin,

    Kronke doesn’t take any money out of Arsenal into his own coffers so I don’t know what you’re talking about there.

  46. Charlie George

    Valentin

    And with regards to your interpretation of Emery s tactics.. (hunting in packs, etc)

    He wants to do this over 38 league matches?
    Europa cup matches in far flung places?
    League and FA Cup matches?

    Is he stark raving bonkers?

    We will have every player on the treatment table…..

  47. bennydevito

    Is true about the Leeds Manager though, can’t dispute that, and he doesn’t speak a word of English either and has a penchant for long trench coats and binoculars.

  48. Charlie George

    Valentin 2

    He bought lichsteiner to do overlapping on our big pitch??

    How about a coach that plays it to our strengths…

    Plays direct to our excellent centre forwards.

    And when we get in front. Get Ozil on and keep hold of the ball..

  49. Champagne charlie

    Benny

    You’ve not seen Arteta in a managerial position therefore Marko is fair to say he’s *certain* Arteta would fail? That’s utterly illogical.

    By stupid contrast, the one time Benitez was manager at a London club he won the Europa League. Therefore we missed out on a guaranteed Europa with Benitez. Logik

  50. bennydevito

    Isn’t that what Pep had city doing though when he took over – hunting in packs? Seemed to work for him and he’s the Jesus Christ of tacticians.

  51. bennydevito

    CG,

    Fair point, we can’t say it’s certain, agreed, but we know what Benitez brings and imo it’s not good. Arteta is a complete unknown stab in the dark from any managerial based evidence, although Pedro has eluded to hearing good things of him on the grapevine from people who would know. Accepted.

  52. Charlie George

    Bd
    Pep has an unlimited budget – and inherited a 400 million team.
    If Liverpool win the league .
    He would have won the league 1/3 attempts.

    If the mighty Pep is struggling to win the league this way- no chance for anyone else..

  53. Valentin

    @bennydevito

    Paying yourself consultancy fees is what I call taking a stream of revenue from the club.
    We also know that he tried in the past to extract a dividend. He could not because he did not have full control. Now that he has full control and no obligation to fully publicly disclose Arsenal books, he will find a way to get some money from the club.
    Not the eye watering charges than the Glaziers have impose onto ManUtd, but still money out of the club rather than into the club.

  54. Pedro

    That Marko self own was pretty epic when you think about what is known about Rafa and what is not know about Arteta.

  55. Marko

    Benitez was manager at a London club he won the Europa League. Therefore we missed out on a guaranteed Europa with Benitez. Logik

    True? Dodging questions though. But it’s fine go enjoy your holiday we can can continue this tomorrow. You know where you talk about how poor of a job Emery is doing and how Benitez and Arteta would have done a better job even though there’s zero evidence of the latter and the former has awful defensive stats.

  56. Valentin

    It is a well known fact that Bielsa suffers from Asperger’s syndrome. That makes him an oddball not some kind of pervert.
    Also his condition explains his obsessive behaviour and level of minutia in preparing a dossier on his opponents.
    Obviously he is odd but he is also smart enough to hire people who can transmit his ideas to the players.
    Personally I’ll take a coach who knows his opponents strength and weaknesses and prepare his team accordingly over any chancer or hapless incompetent.

  57. bennydevito

    Charlie GeorgeJanuary 27, 2019    01:14:38

    Bd
    Pep has an unlimited budget – and inherited a 400 million team.
    If Liverpool win the league .
    He would have won the league 1/3 attempts.

    If the mighty Pep is struggling to win the league this way- no chance for anyone else..
    >>>>>>>>

    So basically CG you’ve just completely exonerated Emery and have admitted he’s in an impossible position and have just epically self owned yourself even moreso than Pedro thinks Marko has just done?

    Am I right?

  58. Freddie Ljungberg

    You don’t think Emerys tactical “choices” with creating overlaps from the fullbacks is because we have exactly 0 wingers and no functional CAM?

    Yes he could have brought some in the summer but for what money exactly? We had so many gaps to plug we had to start somewhere just to stop sinking.

    Pierre trolling again, smh.

    Do you think he’s not playing Saka because he’s not his type of player or because he’s a 17 yo kid with no top flight experience whatsoever when he’s under pressure from impatient fans to win every game? Honestly, have a word.

  59. Marko

    Very true Pedro. We know absolutely fuck all about how good or bad Arteta is as a manager (he’s never managed) and therefore the obvious argument is that he would have been a better hire than Emery. Meanwhile Benitez would obviously sort out our defence even though he’s had 5 jobs the last 8 years and in the two seasons he had at Napoli he conceded 130+ goals. I mean come on it’s so obvious

  60. Freddie Ljungberg

    CG

    I know you’re a bit(lot) slow so I’ll repeat this slowly for the umpteenth time:

    We didn’t buy Lichtsteiner, no one did, he came in for free.

  61. Champagne charlie

    Marko

    I can both enjoy a holiday and drop a comment on a football blog, I don’t get rattled by extended bar talk ffs.

    I don’t need to cheerlead Benitez, his CV is living proof he has sauce to his management. His Liverpool sides were just shy of excellent and only Klopp has resurrected and surpassed (in performance) those sides imo. The Chelsea job he did was top shelf classy if you ask me, got stick by the chav fans all season, dropped a Europa league title and plodded off.

    He’s one of the real good guys in football and despite not being THE guy to take us places, I’d have been happy with the appointment and would at least see the outline of where the club were going in doing so.

    I’m not sitting saying Arteta would have done this or that, he is a total unknown quantity to me. I merely accept what’s being touted by those more in the know, and would’ve been intrigued by the nature of that appointment. If we don’t get CL then it was a free roll of the dice wasted is how I view it. That’s a leadership dig and not an Emery one.

    Alas, I’m done for the night. Enjoy the rest of yours, same to the lot of you.

  62. Valentin

    Pep have a 7 seconds rule. When his team loses the ball they have 7 seconds to hunt and get it back. After those 7 seconds they have to get back into defensive position. If you can’t get back into position straight away, then commit a tactical foul to stop the play and give the team a chance to regroup.
    That is completely different from what we are doing because it means that you should not be in a situation where the opposition can launch a counter attack via long ball. Which is exactly what we faced against West Ham, Southampton and now ManUtd.
    Man City’s last game against Liverpool was a case in point. Liverpool were nearly never in position where they could run unopposed at Man City defense.

    Also our tactical fouling is poor. We hack people out of desperatation when they are near our penalty box or ready to cross instead of committing fouls before the situation reach our last 30 meters.

  63. Marko

    I can both enjoy a holiday and drop a comment on a football blog, I don’t get rattled by extended bar talk ffs.

    Same. I’m watching a movie with a Guinness. Not extended one bit

  64. Marko

    I merely accept what’s being touted by those more in the know

    Unless those in the know have said he’s a whizz at whipping defences into shape then his name shouldn’t come up. Benitez I’ve always had a soft spot for but no way he’d fix our defensive woes. Not with any certainty that’s for sure. Conceded a tonne at Napoli concedes a tonne at Newcastle and lasted mere months at Inter, Real and Chelsea. I firmly have my doubts on him

  65. Charlie George

    Bd
    Was referring to the impossibly difficult way
    Emery sets up his team to play

    Goalkeepers passing out to defenders – making nonsensical angles. Pressing here- pressing there

    If a team managed by Pep with his spend struggles to win the league doing it this way ( 1/3?)… why is Emery persisting?

    E.g..
    Leno giving away a corner in the cauldron of Anfield after 55 seconds because he has misjudged a pass to his split centre half defender.

    Play expedient football. Play to your strengths.

    When coaches get ideas in their head – they invariably fail…

    E.g. Wenger with all his little players trying to walk it in..
    Before then we played winning football.

    I am a firm believer players win matches.
    Not prima dona coaches..

  66. Charlie George

    Pep can have a 7 second rule at Barca/Bayern/City all he likes…

    If he was at a Newcastle – That would go out the window.

  67. Pedro

    Marko, couldn’t fix our defence, but has a better GA record for Newcastle right now than us… not sure you’re helping yourself here.

  68. Charlie George

    The greatest manger ever on these shores
    Alex Ferguson
    ( Fergie never played this way.)
    I know the game evolves- but it was not that long ago….

    What did he used to say.
    Football management is like making a cake.
    You have to have all the right ingredients to get perfection.
    Not too much sugar, not touch butter etc
    It seems
    Emery is making a a very unappetizing paella!

  69. Negation

    @ Valentin

    I’m a big fan of Bielsa’s, but he wasn’t this successful at Marseille and Lille – what do you think happened?

  70. Marko

    True Pedro. One less goal but 23 points behind. He’s certainly a good shout I’ll give you that. 54 goals last season… I’m back to having my doubts that he would improve us defensively

  71. Tony

    “I like how people are making conclusive statements about the direction the club is going in when in the space of 10 months we’ve changed manager, brought in a DoF, lost a CEO, sacked a head of recruitment, looking to bring in a Technical Director, have spent a measly £64 Million on a 6th placed team, have been restricted by an out of control wage bill in a league with massive spends and some of the best manager’s around.

    Talk about a f*****g joke. It’s like critiquing someone’s rowing style when they’re just trying to stop their boat capsizing because some twat loaded it improperly and there’s a great big f*****g hole in it.Some people need to get a serious grip.”

    Sums it up perfectly

    Some people here really need to change the record

    For those vehemently against Emery and castigating what he’s doing and saying that he’s no better than Wenger, who do you want to replace him who can achieve CL football without spending any further funds and who can seriously improve our defense with the current players and injuries?

    I’d really like to hear your nominees, but I doubt the naysayers will offer credible, realistic and attainable names other than Arteta who perhaps should be given his chance utilising the exact current circumstances.

    At least that argument could be put to bed one way or the other.

    At the moment I’m indifferent about Emery and continue to have strong reservations regarding Stan and the hierarchy and can see no efficient and innovative solutions for either given the shortcomings of the club.

    Seems like the club is a Klondyke gold rush upstairs with a directionless manager and team of misfits and a prima donna on the pitch.

    Is it worth mentioning that we have 4 days left for a loanee trolley dash in the TW?

    Probably not!!

  72. Tony

    How about we pay the useless Lich off and replace with Valencia for the rest of the season – could probably get him for £90K a week?

    Newcastle are looking at him and some here think Newcastle’s defense is better than ours, so they’re probably right to want him.

  73. bennydevito

    CG,

    What a terribly boring and unimaginative cliche racial stereotype you’ve just used there. Do all Spanish people make or eat paella?

    Crikey.

  74. gonsterous

    CG

    I am a firm believer players win matches.
    Not prima dona coaches..

    well we finally get to the bottom of this conundrum. Turns out Charlie George is bald and is just jealous of emerys thick curls.

  75. azed

    “If we were going to go with a transition manager, Rafa would have done a better job.”

    So why is Newcastle close to relegation with a negative goal difference?
    With a team that was assembled by Benitez himself?

  76. azed

    “There is no shame in getting beaten by Barcelona, but there is when your team fell big time again for the exact same tactic a year later by Real Madrid to eliminate PSG in the Champion’s league. ”

    Wasn’t Pep’s Bayern Munich team knocked out by Barcelona and Madrid?
    Does that make Pep a bad manager or does that rule only apply to Emery?

    Oh by the way, Pep went Man to Man vs Barca and Bayern was obliterated in the opening minutes Pep had to change formation. I don’t see y’all saying Pep is a bad Manager.

    All Pep’s team are susceptible to the counter attacks even right from his Barca days, the difference is he had Messi at Barca and at City he can buy 4 full backs in one summer.

  77. azed

    “Also our tactical fouling is poor. We hack people out of desperatation when they are near our penalty box or ready to cross instead of committing fouls before the situation reach our last 30 meters.”

    Don’t you think this has to do with the intelligence of our players?
    Xhaka vs Fernandinho
    Ozil vs KDB
    Iwobi vs Sane?

    Do you think Pep can play his kind of football with our team? Or even Klopp?

  78. azed

    “Marko, couldn’t fix our defence, but has a better GA record for Newcastle right now than us… not sure you’re helping yourself here.”

    Newcastle have conceded less goals than the teams from 5th(including UTD) down to the bottom of table with the exception of Leicester.

    But there’s a reason why they are 17th and that’s because the teams above them have scored more.
    Goals win games and Newcastle might be higher up the table If Benitez was willing to conceded more by being more adventurous attacking wise.

    PS: Marko put Benitez’s defensive numbers when he was at Napoli. A team that had very good attacking players and they were leaking goals.

  79. Slade

    I’m with Pedro!
    Emery has been here for 8 years and no improvement….get rid…
    Champagne Charlie with you too!
    Your caustic sense of humor is so on point….8 years of Emery is enough !
    Get him out and get Pedro and Charlie in……they know!
    Get rid of the Yank Cunt too….Pedro knows…..

  80. DivineSherlock

    Why give FA cup that much importance when no one really gave a fcuk when it was won under Wenger. I say its a good thing , Lets see how Ole deals with CL and PL plus FA cup rotations . As for Emery , I would like to see him playing with all of his defence available , I dont think any manager in this PL can cope with the loss of 3 CBs long term and hope to win with Mustafi ( horrendous) . The Chelsea and Spurs game tells me he is tactically astute , but more often than not he errs on selection. He has a vision, Let him have some better players than Ozil (who doesn’t wanna play it seems) , Iwobi ( poor winger, Even Gervinho was better ) Mkhitaryan etc. Losing Ramsey too.

  81. Paul Mc Daid

    Sanchez and Lingard better be sorted in the league game, Maybe Bould could trip them up in the Tunnel because he does absolutely nothing else, The defensive shambles belongs to him and him alone.

  82. Guns of SF

    Could it be that we deal with Inter, in part, for Ozil as part of the Perisic deal?
    Rumors were that Inter wanted Ozil…. or loan or some such thing.
    All of a sudden an Inter Winger on our list?
    hmmm

  83. Ivan

    If we manage to flog Ozil for Perisic my faith in Raoul and Vinai will be restored.
    Perišić is better then anything we have on wings, and Ozil for all his talent just dont have a spine to play in PL.

    And that move would show positive direction for club dealings (clear indication that they do try lower wage bill, and flog toxic players).

  84. Unai

    Pedro, are you trolling on your own blog or just trying to destroy your own credibility?

    Arteta now Benitez….

    You’ll be on the bring back Wenger bandwagon soon.

    I’m fine with Emery out if it’s quality in but nobody has a sensible alternative, not one.

  85. loyika

    @ Bennydevito

    These are my answers to your questions above (and I don’t even need to wait till season’s end)

    1. No
    2. No
    3. No

    Emery will be given at least 1 more season by the BoD but I would really be surprised if he is still here by the end of next season.

    Imho he is a transitional appointment and won’t move the neddle forward interms of our league placing or our style of football.

    Lets see how things pan out in the end. I trully wish him luck for the rest of his time here as Coach.

  86. loyika

    @ Unai

    There are sensible alternatives out there. Emery is not the “Golden Child” who has no replacement…thats a lazy option the club has chosen to follow.

    The question you should be asking is if Stan K will sanction such a move and be willing to release more funds.

    If not then they should just get Paddy and make it a long term project. The supporters will be all up for that and will be more willing to give Paddy V as much time as he needs (unfortunately there is no emotional connection with Fan to Unai Emery and i doubt there will ever be).

    My opinion though.

  87. Graham62

    Tony

    As you know, I have also become “indifferent about Emery”, after my initial joy at seeing the back of Wenger. As for Kroenke,that’s for the fans to decide. Nevertheless, any owner who is incapable of communicating at a club AGM and who continues to treat the club as his own personal piggy bank, is not fit for purpose in my eyes.

    Any fan with an IQ above ten, must realise that Wenger and his crew created one humongous shitfest for any incoming manager to deal with. Kroenke had an obligation after Wenger left to communicate these evident problems to us all, as well as a clear and transparent plan as to the way forward.

    Of course we have an owner incapable of doing this, for one clear reason. He doesn’t care. If he did care, he would have disposed of Wenger and Gazidis long ago. It’s just unfortunate for us that we have such a non-effective owner and a fanbase who allowed this carnage to materialize.

    Blaming Kroenke, Wenger, Gazidis, the BoD is all well and good, but if you were one of the many who sat back and accepted the status quo over the past decade, then who’s really to blame? You got it, the vast majority of those who attended Friday nights game and who left 25 minutes before the game finished.

    What an embarrassing lot they are.

  88. Unai

    Loyola, I agree that there are alternatives, I also said yesterday I don’t think Emery will make 3 years.

    The problem is the alternatives we can currently attract are either punts or not that attractive in them selves.

    Maybe in a year or 2 with new income and a reduced wage bill we will attract top tier but until then every option is a transitional one imo.

    Currently we have Arteta, Paddy and Benitez as suggestions and whilst I would have been ok with Arteta in the summer I doubt he would be fairing much better with our situation.

    Emery is doing ok considered the off field politics, contract issues, general lack of quality he has to play with and the injury pile up, a rookie could have crumbled in our current situation.

  89. loyika

    @ Graham

    Blaming fans and all is all good and dandy but see it like this…you live and die with your family regardless of how they are. You can get rid of friends but you can’t get rid of “Your Blood” (ignore them yes, but you can never change the fact that they are family)

    The Fans are the life blood of any team….take away the fans and you have no Arsenal FC.

    When Stan K and Emery and whomever is long gone the Fans (in whatever shape) will still be here and going for matches rain or shine.

    So cut them some slack. They pay their hard earned money to go to these games (like you and anyone must have done in the past) and regardless of whether we like it or not (I don’t to be frank) have the right to leave whenever they want if they feel they aren’t getting what they paid for.

    They will still show up the next home game…so nothing changes.

  90. Unai

    I’m all for blaming Stan though, it’s his inaction over the years that has caused this.

    Our chance of a painless transition from Wenger slipped by 5 years ago, it’s going to take nearly as long to get back.

    We are in the mire now, I’m surprised more people don’t acknowledge it.

  91. gonsterous

    I actually liked rafa when he was in charge of liverpool. But he has his limitations. He got schooled by Wenger a couple times. Don’t know if it was the players or his tactics.
    Him taking over arsenal will be bland. He did win the europa league with chelsea and won a couple of CL titles with Pool, so that’s a positive. Any manager that gets hired for real Madrid, must be doing something right, right ?

  92. loyika

    @ Unai and Graham

    My thinking is that everyone of us supporters just needs to realise that right now we as a club are going through a transition phase and throw any major expectations out the window (not that we shouldn’t expect improvements, but we should recognise where we are right now as a club and be at Peace with it while pushing the BoD to implement changes needed)

    Thats where I agree with Graham on the negligence of Stan K and his lack of leadership as our owner.

    This is really a sad phase in our history and one we have to either live out or pray our upcoming Arseanl supporting generation can look back on and smile with the knowlegde that they didn’t have to live through it.

    Anyways, I guess its just football right!!

  93. Unai

    You have to wonder why Stan doesn’t step in.

    His investment has been poorly managed, it’s assets are devalued and it’s on the brink of major regression that will undoubtedly cause a drop in value.

    You have to speculate to accumulate sometimes particularly as without investment the plan is as likely to fail as it is succeed.

  94. Valentin

    Most clubs have their own version of the 7 seconds rule even Newcastle.
    What is different is that Pep codified and quantified the rule: 7 seconds then retreat.

    No club is continuously pressing any more.
    Liverpool realised that last season they mostly lost against low placed team that picked them on the counter-attack.
    This season, Liverpool gegen pressing has evolved. They don’t press that much any more. Also they always keep one or two CM back, behind the ball.
    So if the central defender have to help out wide, there is always a CM to slide in the center of the defense and stop any running midfielder from scoring.
    Arsenal seems to be the only team still playing last year playbook. We keep getting caught with our high line defense by a simple ball over the top in the space vacated by our fullback and a square ball toward a running midfielder.

  95. Unai

    Imagine Stan loans us the money to pay off the contracts to Ozil, Miki, Mustafi.

    We’d both be able to sell them and reinvest and fix our contract issues in one go.

    The trade off for Stan? He’s getting his money back no matter what, we’re much more likely to get CL money and take other winnings and the image of the club is restored. His business because more valuable.

    The only reason you wouldn’t, in Stans position, is if you didn’t give a shit.

    Self sustaining is a myth, all business take investment at some point or other.

  96. Un na naai

    MarkoJanuary 27, 2019 00:56:22
    Charlie I can say with certainty re Arteta because neither Wenger or Emery could get anything remotely decent from the likes of our lot and there’s nothing to suggest that he can. But I’ll play along. What makes you think that a total unknown and assistant manager could sort out our defensive performances? Over say two experienced managers

    Marko

    For heavens sake. Have you not been watching at United?? 3 super experienced managers failed. Two of them have won at the highest echelons of the game.

    Solkjear has come in and wiped the floor with everything that came post Fergie. No pedigree and with only semi pro player experience.

    That’s what can be done if you have balls and select a guy based on his enterprise and ideas rather than a safe pair of hands. If we were going for experience then go for winners. Carlo, Allegri even Benitez. I’d crawl over a million Emery’s to get to one of those guys. He’s just not doing very well. He’s treading water and we don’t need to be treading water
    This bull shit about our squad being shite is just that. Our injury record was better under Shad until emery came in.
    He’s sold or dropped 4/5 creative midfielders and injured the other.
    He’s playing a high line with a slow defence and this cut backthing is our only point of attack. The only player who gives us any variety and unpredictability is lacazette and he keeps getting dropped or taken off for the one dimensional and predictable aubameyang.

  97. Valentin

    @azed,

    Those game were completely different. Pep tried a brand new approach. He realised quite quickly that it was not working and made some changes. He still lost the games.
    He did not go with the same tactic that had failed numerous time before.
    Einstein’s definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome. But trying something different does not guarantee either a better result.

    Emery’s tactic have sussed out and going forward expect most clubs to follow the same template: sit back, soak up pressure and hit back with long ball over the top in wide area with willing speedster to cut back to on rushing midfielder. Unless that changes, I can see the same disappointing results being repeated until the end of the season.

    Arsène Wenger had one setup/tactic and no plan B. That made us predictable and easy to play against with the right personnel and approach.

    Emery is becoming a mediocre version of Wenger MkII.

  98. Unai

    Solkjear has come in and wiped the floor with everything that came post Fergie. No pedigree and with only semi pro player experience.

    Firstly, OG has a track record and secondly, he’s not wiped the floor with anything yet, he’s been there 2 minutes, there is no guarantee his run will continue.

    We couldn’t get Allegri and Carlo and Benitez are just a safe pair of hands.

    The problem with the Emery out idea is all the alternatives are just as shit.

  99. Un na naai

    Unai

    We could have had allegri but he would tow the bullshit line with the suits at the club. If we really wanted to be a success we could have had klopp pep or allegri but we don’t
    Kroenke wants champions league money coming in and that’s it. Emery is there to deliver that. Anything else is a bonus.

    If Liverpool could hire Klopp then we could have hired Klopp as they weren’t even in the Europa when they secured him.

    Solskjaer hasn’t won any thing but he’s made an instant impact and transformed a shit boring side into an exciting attackig and winning one. Immediately. With zero pounds spent. If ever there was proof that emery is a mid level hire for a club with aspirations then Solskjaer is it.

  100. Un na naai

    Emery is our David Moyes. It’s clear to anyone who understands the game that he’s just making too many silly mistakes.
    Aborting our 3cmf formation for united in favor of his embarrassing attempts at 4-2-3-1 again and this ridiculous high line.
    Why bring it back against a pacey front line?

    Watch us get decimated by city next weekend doing the same predictable crap.

  101. Un na naai

    Firstly, OG has a track record and secondly, he’s not wiped the floor with anything yet, he’s been there 2 minutes, there is no guarantee his run will continue.

    Unai

    He has a track record in a Sunday league. It’s no track record at all.
    And yes. He’s wiped the floor with moyes LVG and Jose already. He’s lit the candle and showed the way for united playing to the style and traditions of the club.

    Safe hands don’t work at clubs like arsenal and united or even Liverpool. The only time Liverpool have loooked any good is when they’ve gone for someone dynamic. Rodgers and Klopp. All their safe hands appointments back fired. Just like moyes and lvg. Just like emery is now. It smacks of dollar signs rather than enterprise and will to win.

  102. DivineSherlock

    wow so much hate for the manager , but it is LeGrove so its expected. Emery has flaws yes , no one is denying that . But he is a winner , Europa League 3 times. you dont win that on fluke. Emery isn’t getting the selection right . Also I believe fitness is an issue but that will get sorted out. Already we’re seeing that when he benched Torreria . He is just trying too hard , maybe focus on one thing at a time.

  103. Chris

    I’m not saying Emery is the answer long term but some on here are very quick to belittle his achievements after we lose a game. Like him as a coach/man or not, he has won many trophies.

    He is getting things wrong, and quite worryingly repeating those wrong choices, but it is a complex situation where there has been over 20 years of one coach and now a complete change of operations where inevitably there are teething issues.

    Getting worked up by teenager rumours is a bit daft because they are likely just that, rumours. No one knows for sure what the club have planned. I would imagine that if the summer is uninspiring in terms of squad movements and there is no improvements within the first half of next season in our game smarts and defensive solidity, I am sure the club will be planning ahead to the following summer for a new coach.

    I get that other teams around us look more impressive generally but the fact remains that we are in touching distance of the top four and still in the EL, offering that CL place and positively affecting the position for the club in the immediate future. It’s still too early to make an ultimate judgement on Emery.

  104. Graham62

    TR7

    Agreed, Djokovic was incredible today. Playing on a different level to anyone else at present.

    If only he had played within the rules over the years, he would be considered as good as Federer.

    You know – 20 bounces of a ball. 30 seconds + between points. Injury time outs at convenient times. Ah well, can’t be perfect.

    Unlike Federer.