Summer Monchi a possibility + Thomas Tuchel signs off on exit

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Nothing quite like a Friday night game to hype the cockles of your heart. Ole G to the S brings his band of now merry men to The Grove to duke it out with an Unai on FIRE. A trophy for the Norwegian would help him secure the contract he so desires, for Emery, it’ll keep melts like me off his back for another week.

Let’s get down to brass tacks.

Arsenal is fresh of the back of a victory against Chelsea, who just went to a final of their own, beating the GREATEST EVER SPURS SIDE on penalties.

I am greatly amused by journalists crying like grown men who’ve just seen their first ever vegan sausage roll because everyone is taking the piss out of Poch.

“SUPPOSE YOU THINK THAT MEANS HE’S SHIT. WELL, HE IS NOT LET ME TELL YOU. BUT YOU ARE. FOR YOUR VIEWS THAT RUN COUNTER TO DATA’

Take a fucking CBD latte precious one, it’s ok to laugh at the masters of marginal gains, and their hero manager for once again inflicting a cold backhanded slap of reality to ‘this is our year’ Spurs fans. I also think it’s amusing how many excuses people make for Poch, like he’s some sort of charity case. He has consistently tanked at important junctures with great players, after a while, it starts to look Spursy.

Anyway, where was I?

Ahh… Arsenal has a tough game against United. Unai Emery is going to have to reach into his metaphorical pot of wet look gel and activate more than just a great hairstyle. He’s going to have to, you know, pull out some tactics as well. Arsenal cannot roll with a 4-4-2 like we did against Chelsea. United have a livewire front three that will absolutely obliterate our slow defence. We also won’t get away with pushing them out wide, because their crosses are going to be met by players with more height and in box aggression than Hazard and Pedro.

Good news is Manchester United can’t pull off their most effective tactical move because De Gea didn’t travel south with the rest of the team. For all the glory the press are hyping around United, they’ve not been great. Their run stinks of Unai Emery’s if you ask me, lots of cracks there waiting to be exposed. There’s obviously a little more joy about the way they play now. Ole G has installed a more defined football identity, but the buzz there is the same as it was for us at the start of the season. He has Pogba enjoying his football again and Rashford has been reborn now he doesn’t have a manager flicking dog poo at him for motivational reasons.

This is a big one for Emery. In his excitement, how did he prepare? Did he flog his players with double sessions all week, or did he rest them hoping for another explosive start? How is he planning on using Ramsey? Did he communicate his ideas with clarity? How will he nullify that United front three? How is he going to control those long balls in behind our defense? How is he going to set up the defence without Bellerin?

IS HE EVEN THINKING ABOUT CARDIFF AND CITY AFTER!

We’ll see. An FA Cup win would take a lot of pressure off the manager. This will be important to him. I just wonder how our renewed top 4 bid will affect his thinking. He has to have a fresh team that beats Cardiff, and puts on a show against City.

In other news, the MIGHTY John Cross reckons Monchi could join this summer. I. would. be. game.

David Ornstein says Arsenal are in for Paris livewire, Nkunku. Do I know much about the midfielder? Absolutely not. But I have seen this video twice.

He looks fast, powerful and mobile. He’s a risky signing, but he’d certainly be more interesting than punting on Suarez. He can play across the midfield, even right back. I am game for these sorts of risks. The move is still hugely complex apparently – when are they not when it comes to Arsenal?! But still, at least we’re trying and exploring options. Thomas T has also sanctioned the deal.

Finally, Thierry Henry has been suspended by Monaco as they prepare to fire him. Or he’s already fired. Whatever, he’s done there. It seems like all the things you feared Thierry would be as a manager were true. This from GFFN.

He, he is supposed to be worth €10m?” All of the substitutes heard. The message he sent to the players was very negative.”

Another anonymous source close to the Monaco 1st team group added: “He would speak badly to the players, it is a fact. He would also make examples of people and that annoyed a lot of people, he gave this haughty impression as if he would not consider anyone else’s opinion.”

It looked like he might be going off on a weird tangent when he made that kid come back to tuck his chair in. I’m all for high standards, but humiliating a player in front of the media over a chair is a misunderstanding of people. Don’t get me wrong, it was a crowd pleaser, but you can’t embarrass people to make yourself look powerful, that’s petty. He topped it off with another awful prezzer where he told the sitting journalists he was removing the squad “of individuals who only care about their own futures”.

Bad times, but deep down, you know it was very predictable. Still, he’s getting a fucking huge payout apparently. So he’ll be ok.

Right, that’s me done. Enjoy this evening!

COME ON YOU REDS! x

 

721 Responses to “Summer Monchi a possibility + Thomas Tuchel signs off on exit”

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  1. Marko

    Not one person has asked for miracles under Emery.

    That’s exactly what you’re asking for if you expect him to play the likes of Xhaka, Mustafi, Kolasinac and Koscielny in defensive positions and at the same time expect improvements in the defence.

  2. Receding Hairline

    Yep Pedigree

    The same reason Henry is getting thrown out after 20 games for the same man who created the mess.

    Henry has no pedigree as a manager

    Emery does.

    He may not be Klopp or Darling 500m spent Pep but he has earned his own stripes

    Some of you here are making this about emery when it’s not….

  3. Freddie Ljungberg

    CC

    I’m peddling nonsense? Well you’re the expert so maybe you’re right.

    Yeah, we’re midway through the season and our CAM has gone awol again and doesn’t seem to care about football anymore, half our starting backline is out for the season and your pal Xhaka is still giving away goals like he’s santa at christmas time. But hey, it’s all on the manager innit.

    To be clear I don’t care who the manager is, I’m not an Emery fanboy by any means, but if you don’t see the limitations of this squad you’re blind. There’s only so much you can do with coaching and tactics.

  4. Dissenter

    “You think our defence is going to improve with Bellerin and Holding out for the season and Sok and Kos injured too? Prepare to be disappointed”

    Get ready to see. gooners jumping from the roof of the Shard.
    The only goal of the season is to get back into the CL

  5. Richie Powling

    Another 3 goals conceded. Ole Gunnar has taken a couple of weeks to sort out Utds defence. How long is it going to take Bruce Rioja?

  6. Moray

    Freddie, I haven’t seen any improvement all season in our defence. The fact we now have key players out shows up that we don’t have a proper system or – apparently – any proper coaching.

    We lose one defender and suddenly everyone is at sea.

    It’s not as though our defence has nosedived because of injury. It’s been a liability all season.

  7. Marko

    Ole Gunnar has taken a couple of weeks to sort out Utds defence

    True but he’s got better individuals in his defence and he’s got two DM’s in his midfield one of which has been described as arguably the best DM of the last 3-5 years. While we have Xhaka in our midfield and error ridden players in defence. Like say what you like about Ashley Young and Luke Shaw but they rarely get caught out of position. That’s because they’re not fucking idiots

  8. englandsbest

    Arsenal lost, but not badly. Indeed, for much of the game Arsenal played the better more attractive football. Losing both CBs made a big difference,

    IMO Emery got pretty much the best out of his players. Clearly Ole has a more talented squad than Unai, and got just about enough out of them.

    Apparently his masterplan was to allow Iwobi and Kolasinac to run free, and then take advantage of the space they left behind.

    Depressing.

  9. Marko

    Look he’s surviving this season anyway so just get over it. If he starts next season with Kolasinac and Xhaka still playing in the starting 11 I can get behind ousting the lot of them

  10. Pierre

    The disappointing thing for me is the way we have seemingly thrown in the towel in the last 20 minutes or so recently..

    We can go back to defeats against Southampton and Spurs then the draw with Brighton …the defeat at West ham and now man United .( Also Liverpool)

    Not in any of those games have we looked like we would battle back into the game, there has been an acceptance that the result was inevitable.

    Sorry to say but that is a damning indictment on the manager of Arsenal football club.

  11. Champagne charlie

    Freddie

    It’s nonsense to state something untrue and hold it up as a POV being argued.

    I’ve seen nobody lay expectations at a Emery’s feet that weren’t measured. Top 4 is about the most I’ve seen anyone say he should be able to deliver, certainly nothing approaching the league.

    So I find your ramblings exactly that considering it’s aimed to sight people like me who haven’t been convinced since day zero.

    I don’t care at what juncture you felt Wenger left Arsenal, the new manager should be capable of coming in and extracting more. Is that not how you would describe a ‘better manager’? So to see us floundering as bad as last season is massively underwhelming to say the least.

    Emery was hired to better Wengers input. He was hired with incredible knowledge of the squad. He was given 70 mil to affect some change. He stated his focus was defensive balance because we had none under Wenger. He’s so far delivered no discernible improvement and regression in defence.

    Sure, he has this season before a final assessment is made but at what point is he planning on showing he’s a level above Wenger? After a total squad overhaul is what I read, so what part of that is managerial nous?

  12. Paul Kelly

    I wish the best for Emery and am pleased le fraud has finally gone but he needs to show some vision.Players like iwobi and Maitland Niles are not at this level.They need to be moved on he needs to send a clear message to the players and supporters that he means business.Otherwise we repeat the mistakes of the past 10 years.

  13. Marko

    Nicolas Pepe scored a brace against Marseille tonight. Lad is on 15 in 22 league games. His price is going up and up

  14. Freddie Ljungberg

    CC

    We were on a downward trajectory with Wenger, at least that’s been halted, we were getting worse year by year, we’re currently on me position better off than last year. Our squad is barely the 6th best, if not for our 2 strikers we’re mid table in quality.

    It’s also only been 6 months.

    70m is not much in todays market.

    And yes I consider getting top 4 a miracle with this squad, but you rate players like Xhaka so there’s really nothing else to say.

  15. Marko

    How on earth can any sane manager start iwobi ahead of ozil?

    2 goals and 4 assists in the league compared to 3 and 1 assist for Ozil. Odd as well considering that Iwobi at least tried today and Ozil in his 30 mins did very little to affect the game. That’s probably why actually

  16. bunga party

    The mistakes of last 10 years are guaranteed to be repeated. The owner and the board doesn’t expect more than this.

  17. Marko

    He’s so far delivered no discernible improvement and regression in defence

    Except for our away record and our performances against other top 6 sides. So some improvements not no improvements.

  18. Leftsidesanch

    We need top 4 but we’re not getting it. Our players are too error prone and not durable enough for a season.

  19. Champagne charlie

    Freddie

    I see you’re just one of these guys full of noise about other posters in some defence of your own POV. I’ll leave you to it mate, too alpha for me on here with your elite knowledge of the game and what have you.

    We sacked Wenger for being shit, Emery is producing the same shit. Slice it whatever shape and size you want, it’s still shit.

  20. Redtruth

    Emery is one of the most decorated managers in today’s game.

    SevillaUEFA Europa League: 2013–14, 2014–15, 2015–16

    Ligue 1: 2017–18
    Coupe de France: 2016–17, 2017–18
    Coupe de la Ligue: 2016–17, 2017–18

  21. Marko

    We sacked Wenger for being shit, Emery is producing the same shit. Slice it whatever shape and size you want, it’s still shit.

    Again improved away record already and improvements against the other top 6 sides. Ignore it all you want but when you say stuff like no discernable improvements or the same shit as Wenger it is simply a lie. Not an opinion but factually incorrect.

  22. TheLegendaryDB10

    He’s so far delivered no discernible improvement and regression in defence.

    And for me his statement that we should be winning 5-4 instead of 1-0 at the start of the season should have rung bells for all of us. He had no clue that defending was of prime importance if you want to challenge in the epl.

    I am really feeling, more and more that he was the wrong appointment considering our defensive frailties that we had under AW.

  23. Champagne charlie

    About the 7th post you’ve aimed at me, get the memo Marko.

    This stats will go nicely with the chances created ones you deride Ozil for. Find another ankle

  24. Charlie George

    Everyone involved at Arsenal must find a cure for this defensive disease we have had for so long.

    One way of remedying this is – in the short term at least -would be recalling Callum Chambers .

    Another would be the immediate dismissal of Steve Bould. And perhaps a new face (Tony Adams ??)called in until end of season- for some defensive drilling.

    We must stop this insanity of buying midfielders that have no pace or power.
    Like Suarez, etc

    I predicted Emery would be gone by Easter.
    But:
    We have Man City soon. He could be in serious trouble after this fixture .And gone in mid Feb.

  25. Marko

    No no I get it I totally get it and don’t care that you are not addressing me but at the same time if you say something that is a lie you should expect to be called on it. No improvements is a lie. He has improved our away record and points against the other top 6 sides already.

  26. Marko

    I’d happily not comment on anything you say if you were being honest or sincere in the things you write. For example if you had written “that although a slight improvement has been made on aspects of last season I still have serious reservations about the manager and his overall performance” something like that then I could probably get behind that

  27. Champagne charlie

    Marko, everyone and their dog knows you’re arguing ‘your’ truth. It’s like comparing corresponding fixtures season to season, it’s myopic drivel used only when it suits.

    Arsenal have no consistent approach, no patterns of play, no defensive stability, no defensive system. When people are discussing Emery they’re looking at the macro.

    But you’re right, he’s also stopped them drinking orange juice so let’s just stand back and let the guy continue with the radical upheaval.

  28. Sid

    I think there is an obvious pov disconnect here.

    I don’t think I’ll be wrong in saying that of the people posting in favour of giving emery more time (including me) each and every one of us will take Allegri or pep even Zidane over him given a choice. However none of those will ever come to us for we right now are a shit show across the board.

    So advocating that emery gets more time is not because we have declared aligence to emery (unlike the despicable akbs) but because the train wreck he inherited will need money and time to fix.

    Yes, our defence has not improved and yes if the situation doesn’t prove by this time next year one could safely say emery needs to go. As it happens our defence in particular is in shambles, we haven’t been able to field a consistent back 4 over any length of time. Add to this the overall quality of the players and it should not be too hard to see why we have been so hit and miss all season.

    Emery has gotten a few match day squads wrong and that blame lies squarely on his shoulders along with those defeats.

    Overall, if we were Barca, real, city etc and had dumped 200 million it could have been fair to ask for Emery’s head, as it so happens we are not even close so unless the club’s drops a shit load of cash we need to temper our expectations.

    And to those who are asking, why did we sacked Wenger….don’t be daft! Wenger was in steady decline for years, emery is fixing many of those things. How many times did we complain about 70th minute subs? How many times did we complain that the team was too soft? Or not hard working enough? How many windows did we wait for a DM? How many times did we raise questions of some players being in the team regardless of form or effort.

    I see a change in all of this, yes, it might not have translated in points as much as one would like but they set a foundation on which we can build.

    P.S Henry at Monaco is what happens when you give a unproven ex player a high pressure, top tier job. So no Arteta, thank you.

  29. Marko

    Are you actually for real? How can it be “your” truth and drivel if it’s facts? It’s ridiculous and typical you. You say something get challenged on it and then revert to type. Hey how about you be honest for once yeah. Cause when you say something like no improvements made and it’s the same as under Wenger even though our away record is improved and our record against other top 6 sides has improved that’s it you’re wrong. It’s no big deal if you’re wrong about something. Even if you said something like no improvements made except for our away record and against the top 6 sides that would have been okay

  30. WengerEagle

    I’m with TR7, it’s not so much likely falling short of CL places and top 4, it is more thst we don’t look to be going anywhere at all under Emery, I mean can anybody see any sort of plan or direction panning out here?

    We’re worse defensively then we were under AW and we’re barely better if at all going forward.

    Only 70 million spent I hear a lot but tbh you can find quite a noticeable bit of quality with that sum of money or at least you should be able to.

    Klopp bought Mane and Salah combined for that amount.

    The apathy is starting to creep back in with me because I just cannot see where it is that we’re supposedly improving.

    Links to average talent like Denis Suarez and past it talent like Mata are just grim beyond words.

    If it’s a financial issue and Emery has one hand tied behind his back, why take on the role in the first place?

  31. Charlie George

    The simple truth is there has not been any improvement from the late poverty years under Wenger- with new coach Emery.

    Last season we lost also 1- 3 Man Utd
    That day we had 35 attempts peppering at their goal.
    David De Gea was immense .MoM!

    Under Emery we are less potent and fluent and letting in many more goals.

    You can argue he has difficult issues to do with.
    But how any fan- can have confidence that in the difficult seasons ahead – he is the right man needed to get us back on track is beyond me..?

  32. Marko

    I mean can anybody see any sort of plan or direction panning out here?

    I think the plan is to make it to the summer and replace some players with better players. Your typical club strategy for addressing a weak squad

  33. Redtruth

    “Last season we lost also 1- 3 Man Utd
    That day we had 35 attempts peppering at their goal.
    David De Gea was immense .MoM!”

    Who was in goal for both those defeats…yeah you guessed it, the one and only Chelsea reject.

  34. Marko

    And you wonder why I’m done with your nonsense Marko? Go to bed you spastic

    Fine by me I don’t care for lying rats anyway. Plenty of things you can bullshit us with Charlie but no improvements…nah mate you need to do better than that

  35. Confidentgoner

    I didn’t watch the match, but I have had enough of his leaky defense. His defensive weakness as a manager is so easy to see. Our best signing might be a defensive coach. Steve Bold to take his P50.

  36. Marko

    Klopp bought Mane and Salah combined for that amount.

    Interesting you say that. He bought Mane in his second transfer window and Salah in his 4th window his second summer window. Actually spent 60+ million prior to 35 million for Salah basically not a fair comparison really

  37. WengerEagle

    Marko

    Well we supposedly have nothing to spend hence seeking out shite like Suarez on a loan.

    And we brought in one first team player that improved on what we already had in LT last summer, what makes you think that we’re going to go on a spree this summer?

    Why weren’t more first team game changers brought in last summer?

  38. WengerEagle

    OK then he bought Mane, Wijnaldum, Karius and Klavan for 60 million in addition to 35 for Salah, 95 million for two world class wideman/CF and a decent CM in Wijnaldum that has been basically a constant in their midfield.

    Pretty decent haul regardless when you compare it to the 75 million that we dropped.

  39. Dissenter

    Wenger Eagle
    “If it’s a financial issue and Emery has one hand tied behind his back, why take on the role in the first place”

    Have you considered they didn’t tell him everything at the outset?
    It’s is like Champagne Charlie saying that Emery “ was hired with incredible knowledge of the squad” as if that removes the need for time and resources to resolve issues.

  40. Marko

    That’s not what you were saying WE. It took Klopp how many windows to improve Liverpool? One? Took him technically 4 to get it right with a Mane and Salah type. Why is it different for Emery? Honestly I hate these types of conversations cause it makes me look like a fucking fanboy or something but if the comparison is someone like Klopp and his signings and why isn’t Emery doing more then it’s ridiculous because it took Klopp 4 windows and 95 million before he got that world class attack that he wanted and it took him 5 windows before he addressed his defence 87 million on VVD, Robertson, Klaven and Matip. Actually his first summer he spent 64 million so it’s not too different to what we started with. Point is that it took more than one/two windows

  41. Marko

    Pretty decent haul regardless when you compare it to the 75 million that we dropped.

    Sure. I’ll be honest with you are you advocating that we should have spent our budget on two widemen and that’s it? Cause that’s fair enough I guess. But again that 95 million and decent haul they got was over 4 transfer windows. So the comparison is why did we do what Liverpool did in 4 transfer windows in one single window. I know that’s probably not what you meant but that’s what we’re dealing with now with regards to Arsenal fans these days. They want what Klopp has and what he’s done but they’re not willing to wait for the same amount of transfer windows.

  42. Dissenter

    They keep banging on about the measly 70 million that was stretched over FIVE players. It as like trying to fill a bathtub with a cup of water.
    Emery won’t even have the benefit of using this window to properly bolster his squad because w are going har in hand begging for loan moves.
    Still yet they keep piling up

    I hope Emery leaves and then the shit really hits the fan.
    We’ll see if all it takes is just another manger with special sauce and pizazz.

  43. Pedro

    Sid, the Arteta comment… that’s what happens when you put Thierry in charge of a club in trouble. Says nothing about the Spaniard. Nothing.

  44. Marko

    Pedro the only people who respond to anything even remotely close to negative about Arteta is you and Charlie. Why is that? Inexperienced coach takes on a big job as his first job that ended in failure seems like a fair comment to make

  45. Dissenter

    Pedro reallythinks Arteta has some special sauce because is on 24-7 defense for him.
    Arteta is the key to all our problems.

  46. WengerEagle

    Marko

    January is notoriously a tougher time to bring in players because of the disruption that it causes selling teams so really as Klopp wasn’t afforded a summer window in his first season, it’s fair to compare his first summer window to our first window as you just did.

    You’re right, 60 odd million spent comparable to ours. Difference is that in his second summer he was bringing in Salah, Robertson and Ox, we’re looking at loanees and supposedly have little to nothing to spend.

    Liverpool’s direction and trajectory in those windows was obvious, huge improvements made to their forward line, defence and midfield in the subsequent most recent summer window with their purchases.

    So really I’m not even pointing the finger solely at Emery, again I would raise the question as to why he would take the gig under the knowledge that he would have limited funds to improve upon a crap squad that finished in 6th? Pretty much doomed to fail barring a miracle in cheap recruitment or stumbling upon some young worldies.

    What annoys me is that we’re sniffing all over Denis Suarez, a 25 year old midfielder that has never produced more than 4 goals/assists in a season and being linked to the likes of Mata and Banega while Pool went and brought in some serious top drawer talent in Klopp’s second summer window.

  47. WengerEagle

    Dissenter

    CC was being facetious. He was bantering off of the mere idea.

    If he was lied to, why not quit? Why tow the line and risk damage to your managerial reputation by staying on board with a sinking ship?

  48. Charlie George

    PedRo
    Has been consistent with his views about Emery.
    He has been put his neck on the line
    He has been vindicated.

    I salute him.

    PedRo Knows!

  49. WengerEagle

    And as decent as LT has been people have been going overboard with their praise, understandably so I guess given the dearth of quality in midfield.

    He has in no shape or form proven to be a 50 million pound player YET (before I get maced) as he has been described on here. If anything, he played better football at Sampdoria last season.

  50. Marko

    You’re right, 60 odd million spent comparable to ours. Difference is that in his second summer he was bringing in Salah, Robertson and Ox, we’re looking at loanees and supposedly have little to nothing to spend.

    Are you assuming that we’ll have little to no money this summer? Because again it seems like you are comparing Klopp’s two summer and winter transfer windows to Emery’s one summer and winter window.

    Liverpool’s direction and trajectory in those windows was obvious, huge improvements made to their forward line, defence and midfield in the subsequent most recent summer window with their purchases.

    Emphasis on windows. Like I said it took him two summers before he got the forward line he wanted and took 5 windows before he addressed his CB issue. Took last summer and 70 million before he addressed the goalkeeper issue. Point is that it took many windows to address these things and people are expecting it to instantly happen for us

    while Pool went and brought in some serious top drawer talent in Klopp’s second summer window.

    Exactly. So why not wait until next summer and see what where we’re at? We haven’t even signed up Suarez, Banega or Mata. Also Karius Klaven and Matip are hardly top drawer I’m just saying

  51. Marko

    He has in no shape or form proven to be a 50 million pound player YET (before I get maced) as he has been described on here. If anything, he played better football at Sampdoria last season.

    True but neither has Naby Keita and Fabinho. And they cost close to a 100 million while Lucas cost 26 million. Still like them though

  52. Marko

    Why tow the line and risk damage to your managerial reputation by staying on board with a sinking ship?

    Wait a second wasn’t that same scenario put towards Wenger? And the notion of him leaving of his own accord was ridiculed.

  53. Charlie George

    Wenger Eagle.

    Concur Re: Torreira
    Great tenacity and technique. But
    Only has a 1.2 engine we need 2.5 litre ones.

    Think opposition coaches will park their quickest players on his coat tails.

    No dynamism in out midfield whatsover

    Should be a concerted effort at the club to buy only 6ft players with power at the club for a spell

    Otherwise spurs and city will run riot against us!

  54. WengerEagle

    Marko

    Isn’t much of a stretch to assume given what we’re hearing coming out of the club, the Suarez link was legit too confirmed by basically every ITK and Sky, etc.

    Liverpool improved season upon season, goes back to what I was saying about the direction being clear to see. His first full season they secured CL football, 2nd season 3rd spot and CL Final and this season they’re running away at the top of the PL and are in the CL last 16.

    Fact is that Emery had the whole summer to prep, spent 75 million and benefitted from Laca and Auba being settled into their groove in their second season and we are staring at 6th place in the face once again, not really having seen any improvements in play or results against the top 6 and the defence looking worse than ever before.

  55. WengerEagle

    Apples and Bowling balls Marko, AW was set for life given a 20plus year tenure at the club and had already achieved success here even if it was moons ago for the PL, he was a 68 year old man at the very end of his managerial career so it’s not hard to figure out why he wouldn’t have wanted to rock the boat if that was the case with the finances.

    Emery is in his mid to late 40’s, is young and ambitious with it all to prove still in terms of league success and even CL experience never mind achievement. And he just signed for us months ago so has no overbearing dedication to the club.

  56. azed

    “His first full season they secured CL football, 2nd season 3rd spot and CL Final and this season they’re running away at the top of the PL and are in the CL last 16.”

    WE

    Are you saying the 30 games Klopp had didn’t in anyway help with his squad building?
    Klopp finished 8th after playing 30 games with the team.

  57. Marko

    Isn’t much of a stretch to assume given what we’re hearing coming out of the club, the Suarez link was legit too confirmed by basically every ITK and Sky, etc.

    So Liverpool’s first summer they spent 60 million which is comparable to ours and in his first winter window he spent 5 million and in his second winter window he spent nothing. All this talk of no money and loans is in reference to this month not next summer.

    Liverpool improved season upon season, goes back to what I was saying about the direction being clear to see…Fact is that Emery had the whole summer to prep…not really having seen any improvements in play or results against the top 6 and the defence looking worse than ever before.

    Season after season and Emery had a whole summer to prep… sounds reasonable. Improvements in our results against top 6 sides from last season already.

  58. Marko

    Also the notion that Klopp’s direction was clear from the get go is a stretch he made poor signings in those early windows too. He made more than a couple what was he thinking signings

  59. Charlie George

    Maybe if Emery and his overpaid coaching staff ( including Bould) stopped fannying around with paintballing gimmicks and concentrated on coaching the bloody defence -we might see some improvements in this area too.

    I wonder if OGS this week had his face plastered in camouflaged paint?!
    Or we he focused on winning this match.

  60. WengerEagle

    Azed

    No doubt that it helped him, but fact is that Bodgers left him with a shambles and he came in mid October without having spent a penny or having a minute of time to prepare the squad. He also lost a huge player and leader with Gerrard’s retirement in summer of 2015 which left a hole in CM.

    48 points in 30 matches was definitely poor, we’re on pace for the same tally with 25 matches played, pace of 10 points better off if extrapolated. That factors in Emery having had a summer of settling in and having spent 75 million though so pretty much tit for tat.

    Also were quite a few performances in Liverpool’s second half of the season like smashing City at Anfield and the Etihad by 3 goals each, smashing Chelsea at SB, beating United and Dortmund in the EL that were pretty telling.

    Tottenham was very encouraging at home in the PL but we have been doing that for years under Wenger, even in the latter ones.

    Beaten at home by City, Spurs and United in the Cup comps, away at SB and demolished away at Anfield, not much of improvement really is it?

  61. WengerEagle

    Marko

    It’s not just this window, Ornstein was coming out at the end of the summer and saying that we’re basically broke.

    Everyone just assumes that Sven quit because he threw a hissy fit over not getting final say over Suarez, is it not possible that he jumped ship because he was informed that he was going to have to work through loans and dumpster diving going forward for the foreseeable ?

    Is there improvements Marko?

    Beaten at home by City, check.
    Beaten away at SB, check.
    Humiliated away at Anfield, check.
    Drop points at home to Liverpool, check.
    Drop points away to United at OT when they were on their knees, check.

    Beat Spurs at home, check.

    All sounds pretty familiar doesn’t it?

    The Chelsea win was encouraging but they’re in the midst of a mini-crisis with Sarri losing the plot and that was pretty much neutered by getting knocked out of both Cups at home by Spurs and United.

  62. Emiratesstroller

    The reality of yesterday’s performance.

    1. Our defence is awful. Koscielny and Cech can no longer play at this level. Cech knows it which is why he has announced his retirement. Koscielny should do likewise.

    2. Emery likes to play high tempo football, but as was blindingly obvious yesterday our players gave the ball away too often when in attack. Iwobi in
    particular for all his energy was particularly at fault.

    3. For all the criticism and lack of match practice Ozil showed his class when
    he came on. He moved around the pitch into space and his passing was excellent. Sadly he came on far too late when the game was already lost.

    4. Arsenal need urgently to find solutions to our ongoing injury problems in
    defence. We are down to the bare bones with Bellerin, Holding and possibly
    Koscielny all out for the season. It is suggested that Koscielny has broken his
    jaw.

  63. Marko

    No doubt that it helped him, but fact is that Bodgers left him with a shambles.

    Inherited Trent Alexander, Gomez and Lovren in the defence and Firmino in attack all starters for Klopp and a some squad players that he uses.

    Is there improvements Marko?

    Sure. Last season we picked up 6 points from a possible 30. Two points against Chelsea a defeat and a draw to Liverpool two defeats to United and City and a win and loss to Spurs. This season we’ve got 8 points with 9 left to play for.

  64. Marko

    Like who?Grujic, a 5 million kid? Or Klavan for 4 million?

    Sure. Who’s our disappointing signings some free 34 year? A 15 million pound signing from Dortmund?

  65. Marko

    Ornstein was coming out at the end of the summer and saying that we’re basically broke.

    Yeah no more money for signings that summer. Again not sure any of that was in reference to next summer.

  66. Marko

    For all the criticism and lack of match practice Ozil showed his class when
    he came on. He moved around the pitch into space and his passing was excellent. Sadly he came on far too late when the game was already lost.

    Biggest load of bollox spouted on this site all day. I suggest that you are either purposefully lying or partially blind mate because his passing wasn’t excellent and he didn’t show his class at all. If you think any of that I suggest you give football a miss because it’s not for you. He did next to nothing for the 30 mins he was on

  67. WengerEagle

    Lovren was a running joke of a CB and Firmino was playing dreadfully when he inherited those players Marko, bit disingenuous to suggest that their dramatic improvement had nothing to do with him and he merely took them over at that level.

    Alexander was literally just turning 17 and Gomez was 18 , they were children and had not become established starters or even remotely close when he took over Liverpool, once again being economical with the truth there.

  68. Emiratesstroller

    Marko were you at the game? I was.

    Okay he does not play high tempo, but he moved into space and his passing and craft yesterday in the brief time he was playing was excellent.

  69. WengerEagle

    Last season we were spectacularly poor even by AW’s big game standards and picked up 7 points from 30 last season against the top 6, we’ve picked up 8 points from 21 but the last 3 matches are away at the Etihad, away at Spurs and vs United at the Emirates, where they just beat us 3-1 tonight.

    Are you really expecting more than 3-4 points out of those 3 fixtures? And that is being optimistic.

    Point is the improvement is marginal if there at all. And we’ve neglected to mention as well that we scalped Chelsea in the FA Cup last season and have been knocked out of both domestic cups by Spurs and United, are we just not counting cup matches anymore?

  70. Marko

    We’ve spent 75 million and we’re odds on to finish 6th given United’s momentum. Would you not expect more spending that sum in terms of improvement?

    Is that your argument now. Fair enough. Eh yes. Funny enough sticking to the theme of a comparison with Liverpool and Klopp after 23 games in his first full season after 23 games he had 45 points Emery has 44. Klopp had a second half of the previous season and a preseason to work with the squad not just the preseason Emery had. Do you see a theme developing here? That’s right time

  71. Marko

    Lovren was a running joke of a CB and Firmino was playing dreadfully when he inherited those players Marko, bit disingenuous to suggest that their dramatic improvement had nothing to do with him and he merely took them over at that level.

    Eh they were in bad form sure but there wasn’t a question of their quality. Lovren was always a competent defender and Firmino was always quality. Oh he had Coutinho. He inherited some players who came genuinely close to winning the league title while Emery inherited a mess.

    Alexander was literally just turning 17 and Gomez was 18 , they were children and had not become established starters or even remotely close when he took over Liverpool, once again being economical with the truth there

    How’s that economical with the truth? He literally inherited two outstanding prospects who are already English internationals and have sorted out his RB position for the next 10 years. Anything remotely close to that with Emery? He inherited Trent Alexander, Gomez, Lovren, Henderson, Milner and Firmino while it took many windows and 218 million to add the rest to his starting 11 more if you count Fabinho and Keita who are in and out of the team.

  72. Emiratesstroller

    Wenger Eagle

    Arsenal have the same problems as last season notwithstanding the two home
    victories against Spurs and Chelsea.

    Our defence is brittle and injury prone. You cannot rely always on Arsenal to
    score more goals than the opposition when they leak goals as we did yesterday.

    Also our away form since beginning of December is poor. We have lost three
    games and drawn two in EPL. In other words just two points out of fifteen.

  73. Marko

    Okay he does not play high tempo, but he moved into space and his passing and craft yesterday in the brief time he was playing was excellent.

    It wasn’t he wasn’t. Maybe stay at home next time and properly see the game because if you think he was excellent when he came on I can only assume that you watched the game with your back to the pitch

  74. Marko

    picked up 7 points from 30 last season against the top 6,

    I think it’s 6 but even if it was 7 still an improvement.

    Point is the improvement is marginal if there at all

    True but your original point was no improvements made.

  75. WengerEagle

    Marko

    My argument hasn’t shifted, the crux of it is I don’t see any tangible improvement under Emery, defensively we’ve gone backwards and our H2H record vs the big 6 is pretty much as bad as it was last season in AW’s worst ever season by far when he was a mere cadaver of a gaffer.

    How would you describe where we have made strides? Forget about points and position even for a second.

    Again, apples and oranges. 82 points wins you the PL in 2016 and 95 points likely doesn’t win it this season, comparing seasons like for like without any context is silly. You’re a brave man betting on us having the capacity to pick up 32 plus points from our final 45 available if the last couple of months has been anything to go by as well which is what Pool did that season.

    On pace to concede 53 goals in the PL.

  76. Marko

    Stop being biased and stupid.Ozil did not play badly yesterday.

    Rich mate real rich. I didn’t mention anything about his performance until you popped up with saying he was excellent which he wasn’t even remotely and it showed how biased you are. I mean how anyone could say that about the 30 mins he was on is beyond me. Truly remarkable really

  77. Emiratesstroller

    Marko

    Ozil played well when he was on the ball whatever you may think.

    For the record the game was effectively lost once Koscielny left the field which was concurrent with Ozil coming on.

    We played the rest of the game without two starting centre backs and with
    Xhaka playing in defence.

    In contrast to the other midfield players who lost consistently the ball Ozil
    did not do so. His passing was also crisp and incisive.

    There are plenty of supporters around me at the Emirates who want Ozil offloaded, but even they acknowledged that his craft is needed in the current
    team.

    Just bombing forward and losing the ball is not how you play against a team like Man Utd.

  78. WengerEagle

    ‘Eh they were in bad form sure but there wasn’t a question of their quality. Lovren was always a competent defender ‘

    Ahaha, banter. You have to be on a wind-up here.

    Firmino was quality at Hoffenheim but looked nothing like that player under Bodgers, some credit has to go to Klopp for the dramatic flip in performance level in the 2nd half of the season, no?

    Come off it, that’s nonsense and you know it. Their 4 best players in 2013/14 were Suarez by a mile, Sturridge, Sterling and Stevie G in CM, he had none of those 4 players at his disposal taking over with the sales of Suarez/Sterling, retirement of Gerrard and injury hell of Sturridge.

    You say he had Coutinho, well Emery has Lacazette and Aubameyang, 110 million of CF talent, helps a little that.

    Joe Gomez didn’t get called up for England until 2 years after Klopp took over, Trent was only called up in 2018. How on earth were they internationals?

    Do managers get no credit anymore for moulding players? I mean did Pep simply inherit an outstanding roster in Busquets, Pedro, etc from the academy that any gaffer with a spare brain cell could have profited off of? Gomez and Trent were nobodies when he took over, end of discussion.

    Let’s not pretend that Emery has inherited complete shite, there’s a few players in Auba, Lacazette, Ramsey, Bellerin that are excellent in their own right, the former two being top end CF’s. Lucas Torreira another very good player that he was able to buy in the summer and benefit from in his first season.

  79. Marko

    comparing seasons like for like without any context is silly.

    I would agree but if the point being made is no improvements against the top 6 then obviously you compare this season to last. But look it’s late I’m bowing out. No improvements made. Ditch him and the end of the season and we go again. On the merry go round that is Arsenal

  80. TR7

    Marko

    Even you know that Wenger’s last season was an aberration. Ok we weren’t competing for the league title under him even before that but using last season as a reference to suggest we have improved this season is convenient. Compare Emery’s performance to any of the Wenger’s season except the last one and you will find we haven’t improved one bit even statistically. Although for me it’s more about what I see in our performance on the pitch than raw stats but even stats wise we are worse off in comparison if you keep last season aside.

  81. WengerEagle

    Exactly TR7, even the most ardent AW backers like Wallace knew that he was cooked last season, it was that bad.

    His record vs the top 6 in any other season I am guessing is at least on par with this season or in the ballpark and most of us on here wanted him gone for years.

  82. TR7

    As for the argument that Emery inherited a weak side ,well that’s true to some extent but you must also admit the two strikers he inherited are pretty much saving his ass so far.

  83. TR7

    WE

    We have played with more shitty starting 11 and looked better. I mean we had Fabianski, Squillachi, Djohoru , Clichy and Sagna in our defense at one point of time.

    Now we have Bellerin, Koss, Leno, Sokratis, Monreal in defense, no comparison really in terms of quality, miles better.

  84. Emiratesstroller

    TR7

    The first two goals conceded yesterday were as a result of “schoolboy marking” and laboured defending.

    We have seen it so often before particularly over the last two seasons. What is
    also relevant is that both Cech and Koscielny are one year older and they are
    in serial decline.

    Cech rather like Mertesacker last year acknowledges that he is past his best
    and needs to retire. Koscielny is in same boat.

    The situation is not helped when your wing backs are always upfield as both
    Maitland-Niles and Kolasinac were yesterday. Okay AMN did start defending
    better towards end of game.

    I know that it is unfashionable to support the case for Ozil, but at the moment
    our midfield in his absence lacks creativity and the ability to hold onto the
    ball. Players like Ramsey, Iwobi and Guendouzi play it is true ‘high tempo’ and
    ‘cavalier’ football but they are prone to losing the ball.

  85. Marko

    You say he had Coutinho, well Emery has Lacazette and Aubameyang, 110 million of CF talent, helps a little that.

    Yeah Klopp inherited Coutinho and Firmino who could play together while Auba and Laca both play in the same position which is hardly the same thing.

    Joe Gomez didn’t get called up for England until 2 years after Klopp took over, Trent was only called up in 2018. How on earth were they internationals? Do managers get no credit anymore for moulding players?

    Ah yes moulding players something that takes time. But Emery isn’t afforded that luxury which seems to be the theme. Anyway I digress I’m being sucked back in. Apparently the comparison is pointless and really I agree. Klopp is a great manager and 7 transfer windows later and alot of money has them as legitimate contenders now and for the short term future at the least. The question then becomes do we afford Emery the same time? Or ditch him after 6-12 months? Do we then ditch the next manager after 6-12 months if the improvements aren’t more direct and quickly. That’s really the question isn’t it after 14+years of not competing in the league and a decline that’s lasted about a decade do we decide the goals of the next manager are short term instant goals or do we allow them time?

  86. TR7

    Emirates

    I am.no fan of Ozil and I don’t think he had a good game today either but I do feel he is being underutilized. Earlier we had Wenger indulging him like a son and now we have Emery making him a pariah, an outcast.

  87. Marko

    Compare Emery’s performance to any of the Wenger’s season except the last one and you will find we haven’t improved one bit even statistically

    Why would I compare the team of 18/19 to say something from 5 years ago? But I’ll play along not last season then. The previous season when we finished 5th had us pick up 9 points from a possible 30 against the other top 6 teams. We’re on 8 now. I’m not going further back. I’d actually probably say that our record against these teams has been more or less the same over the years. Basically a struggle

  88. Emiratesstroller

    Whilst there may be some “grass shoots” emerging at the club with players like Smith-Rowe, Nelson and Saka coming through the academy there is not the same level of talent in the defensive department.

    Our U23 and U18 teams are also defensively weak. So the only way that the club is going to solve those problems is to recruit elsewhere.

    My real concern is that at the moment none of our Centre Backs are truthfully starting eleven standard. Sokratis and Holding are probably good enough to
    sit on the bench. Messrs Mustafi, Koscielny and Chambers are not good enough to play at Arsenal.

    Our fullback situation is also a problem. You can play Bellerin OR Kolasinac
    in the starting eleven as wing backs, but not in my view at same time. Both
    are not great defenders.

    The real issue is that Arsenal have invested only once more than £20 million on a defender and that was Mustafi who was a mistake. Most of the other top
    teams in Europe and EPL are willing to spend significantly more to find the
    right players.

  89. TR7

    ‘ I’d actually probably say that our record against these teams has been more or less the same over the years. Basically a struggle’

    Yes, that’s the point I wanted to make. We are struggling against big teams now just as we were in the past. You are touting 1 or 2 points more compared to last season in the same fixtures as a sign of improvement.

  90. Emiratesstroller

    Arsenal’s form against the top six teams this season is marginally better than least season in view of home wins against Spurs and Chelsea plus draws against Liverpool [home] and Man Utd [away].

    However, the pattern of our results since beginning of December in EPL is
    similar to last season. We play okay at home, but poorly away from home.

    The real concern is that we have three fixtures coming up against Man Utd,
    Man City and Spurs with most of our current defence missing. Sofar I have
    seen absolutely no attempt to recruit in this department.

  91. useroz

    The debate about Emery v Klopp is quite pointless due to differing circumstances. The game isn’t rocket science.

    It’s become fairly clear that Ivan G and Wenger left the club in dire state in financial and commercial management, squad management, contracts, youth development, etc. Even scouting. Well, that’s fucking everything.

    In business world (frankly, Afc is in), Ivan and Wenger would probably be in custody.

    Sub-par corporate governance expected of the incompetent Board and Chairman didn’t help.

    Outside looking in, these serious issues may not be all apparent. Applicants who didn’t get the job are probably congratulating themselves! For all we know, Emery may be kicking himself and cursing.

    It’s utterly embarrassing for a top 10 (still for 2018) club in riches to loan because there isn’t money to pay for transfers??

  92. Globalgunner

    Feel a bit sorry for Emery yesterday. He looked like a man who had been climbing a mountain for 3 days and just realised he is only half way up. No excuses for our defending though. Zero improvement. Why does Xhaka have to play CB. It should have been Kola and Monreal.

    If we don’t get a CB or 2 in on loan, our season could be over already. We may struggle to hold on to 6th

  93. Freddie Ljungberg

    So if Emery shouldn’t have taken the job as some of you say if he knew how shit our players were and that we didn’t have any money who else would have come knowing the same things? Arteta, lol? There was a reason none of the top names were interested, changing managers now is not going to change that.

  94. useroz

    Unless with insider info or tipped by a tea lady, outsiders wouldn’t know the severe impacts that are unfolding as we speak.

    Despite available financial statements etc for those interested, analyses (Swiss R) didn’t seem to have suggested/predicted the financial challenges that Emery recently made known.

    With things rotted to the core, £70m was /is nothing in today’s PL language when some so called up and coming easily fetch 30 to 40m, or more.

    I’d ask though, knowing what state the club is in, why arrangements have NOT been put in place to loan much needed players earlier?? The TW is near the end …

    Half dozen aside, our first team players aren’t good enough to get into/ sustain top 4. Let alone fighting for the PL and CL titles.

    No solutions without funds. With new sponsorship and increased PL distributions, would our cash strapped position ease?

    In any case, if we are keen on Nkunku, just get it done. Takes way too long the whole loan thing. And next PL is coming fast…

  95. Un na naai

    Look
    Solskjaer has turned untied around completely in 8 weeks
    Win after win after win. He took over a total shit show and owned it without spending a fucking penny

    Emery has come in and pissed off our best players while making our attack bring and our defence even worse

    Arteta would have been a better shout if a novice can transform United in 8 weeks then emery should have affected some positives by now. He bases his game on the tactics of his opponents which is why he didn’t know what to do with Solskjaer as he’s only just taken the job on. He’s a mid table manager. His game is based on takimgnon bigger teams and trying to thwart them rather than getting the best out of his attackers.

  96. Un na naai

    Don’t blame emery
    It’s not his fault
    It’s wenger and gazidis and Sven and the tea lady. Emery has no control over anything whatsoever
    Even expecting him to coach is fanciful.

    Fucking doughnuts

  97. Ashburton Patriot

    Cucks. the grass is always greener on the other side. sometimes you just have to hold your hands up and say the other team were better and deserved the win. what happened to sportsmanship?
    now we just launch into a tirade of self abuse whenever we lose.
    the sad state of football fans right now.