Monchi rumours rubbished in Italy

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The Monchi dreams were short-lived. Well, if you believe Roma Press.

RomaPress contacted today one director at Roma, who immediately rejected the notion of Monchi leaving. In addition, a member of the Spaniard’s entourage laughed off the idea of Monchi leaving the Italian capital after having just arrived, citing that he has finally settled into the club and culture of Rome after having needed an adjustment period. It is worth noting, though, that there is a buyout clause present in Monchi’s contract.’

Arsenal can’t afford to keep the heater on in the team bus at the minute, I can’t see them spunking out money on a Technical Director. The dark arts of PR might be at work here. Raul needs to keep stories around him bubbling in a positive way, so this link could be more about keeping the fans onside before we give Big Steve Rowley his old job back.

The only real hope we have are the following three things:

  1. Emery and Monchi know each other (though that means little if you like living in Rome and enjoy the project you’re in)
  2. Monchi lived in London when he was at Sevilla so he could learn the language. When you have ambitions to live in a place, a job in that place can make you do rash things
  3. Arsenal is a HUGE project. I know there are a lot of donuts that think Arsenal is a poverty job because there’s not a £200 billion pot of money at the end of the rainbow, but they’re so fucking wrong. You have literally everything at Arsenal you could want. Especially if your job is the sell the club to talent. We’re in London, there’s upwards of £200m in wages, the Premier League is the greatest test of football, we sell out every week (Italian football has Sunday League attendances outside Juve), we have incredible facilities, and we are a sleeping giant.
    1. The sub-point of this is that Monchi has always had to sell to exist. I’d imagine he’d quite fancy building an empire at some point. We have all the elements needed to take the course Liverpool has. He’d be perfect for enacting that in my opinion.

Anyway, we’ll see. Hopefully, Raul has something interesting lined up outside an internal promotion.

Hector Bellerin is out for the next 9 months. He dropped a picture that looked straight out of an ironic fashion shoot that tried to blend messages of Brexit, the failing NHS and the hopelessness of youth, whilst selling elite high street fashuuuun hungry label for a Gen Z audience.

Get well soon Hector, BIG love from all at Le Grove. You’re star.

The Denis Suarez deal looks to be off. This from Marca:

‘Initially, Barcelona wanted the London club to buy Suarez outright, but Arsenaldidn’t want to commit to a large financial deal. In fact, the Gunners were unwilling to agree to a loan with compulsory purchasing option.’

Really not sad about this one. Here are his numbers from Gambon in the comments.

He averages 3.8 goals per season as an attacking midfielder.

His best ever LaLiga season was 4 goals and 4 assists at Villareal. 4 goals and 4 assists in 33 games.

His best ever season, he averaged 3.7 combined shots, key passes and dribbles. Which is less than Iwobi and Mykhitaryan have ever managed.

Feels a little like the time we went really hard for Chamakh. Why go all out for a player if he is no better than what we have? I’d rather give a kid a chance than pay big money for a name that won’t give us anything extra outside being a friendly body for the manager.

Remember this: Barca are trying to force us to buy him as part of a loan deal. That’s a club with ZERO confidence he’s going to do a good job for us. No doubt they’ll be back with a last minute, ‘guys, we had a think and…’

The Independent are saying that Arsenal will sigh James Rodriguez on loan if we sell Aaron Ramsey for £10m this month to a team who already have him on a free. Their Arsenal reporting strategy is to wait in the bushes, see what others say, then add a layer of imagination over the rumour to drive clicks.

That said, the fact so many outlets keep reporting the rumour has me worried. Not because I don’t dream about peak Rodriguez, more because we’re hiring in Ozil MKII and our manager has zero ability to deal with man-children.

Right, I think that’s as much as I have today, we’ll start talking UNITED tomorrow… I’m in Ohio for the next two days. Chatting plenty of shit about Stan. The locals bloody love that chat.

Have a good one. x

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515 Responses to “Monchi rumours rubbished in Italy”

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  1. Goobergooner

    Give the kids a crack, screw Suarez!

    This season is a freebie anyway. (Well to anyone else who managed other than Emery that is)

    We allllllll knew (except a few that don’t need to be mentioned) that this job; where we don’t have bottomless pockets of gold, was going to take more than one season to fix.

    Those who expected results straight away are full of themselves.

    Yes this or that manager may have done things differently, but for fucks sake, give the bloke in charge a chance.

    It doesn’t help that the damn backroom team can’t even sort their shit out.

    But back to the original statement. What can hurt bedding in more youngsters this season to see how much we really do need to invest next summer window.

    Half you kents are writing off the season before it has ended anyway.

    Such entitlement after years of just going down with a sinking ship.
    It’s actually a joke.

    Arsenal are the 6th best team in the league. And haven’t been close to actually winning the league in neigh on a decade.
    It’s a god damn fact.

  2. Goobergooner

    And cc keeps saying why did we even change manager if the new man can’t coach the team to be better.

    Well fuck, Wenger assembled a shitter and shitter team every single season for at least the last 5 years. Many would argue more than that.

    So yes it is going to take more than just coaching to get this squad playing consistent high quality football.

  3. Un na naai

    Well fuck, Wenger assembled a shitter and shitter team every single season for at least the last 5 years. Many would argue more than that.

    Goober

    Then why wasn’t he sacked sooner? Pep and klopp were both available and both expressed interest in the arsenal job.

    Can’t pin it all on wenger. He’s just one cog in the machine
    Gazidis and kroenke are equally as culpable if not more so.

  4. Un na naai

    If bailey is so great as a number of you pointed out two days ago, the. Why are untied looking to offload him??

  5. Aasim

    Please advice :

    – thoughts on Elneny. I find him to be a very competent player with a good engine, decent distribution and also someone capable of playing various positions. To me he is more than a decent backup for Xhaka / Guendouzi and also a better option over Stephen at CB. Should we sell him ?
    – to generate funds, realistically, what sellable assets do we have ? Chambers, Ozil, Kos – how much funds do we expect to take in if we sell these assets. Would we need to sell some of our “high potential youth players” to generate the necessary cash flow
    – the team today suffers from, I feel, a bad contract to Ozil, a one season hit (Mikhi), the atrocious signing of Stephen as cover at RB, loaning out Chambers. How many of the said decisions are down to Emery. The team today succeeds due to a better pressing system, more energy on the pitch, Torreira, Guendouzi, Sokratis, amongst others. Which of these can be attributed to Emery

  6. Un na naai

    Charlie George

    So you don’t want Spaniards and Italians

    What about South American’s? Best of both worlds? Roughbajd tough and play good football. Surely we should be looking to incorporate both sides of the game into our side?

  7. Chris

    Charlie George just wants a team full of Londoners and Northern lads who know the little foreigners “don’t like it up em”

    Enjoy your racist cornflakes this morning Charlie.

  8. Un na naai

    Chris

    No he wants Western European’s too. From nations who can adapt to our league more comfortably.
    Wanting a few british lads in your side is hardly racist.

    Nice attempt at spinning his words though
    Enjoy your tofu and soy for breakfast 🤪🤪

  9. Chris

    Unai

    Of course, I forgot no Italian or Spanish players eve r adapted to the Premiee League, like……ever. My mistake.

    I had Tofu last night actually, as it happens!

  10. Un na naai

    I had Tofu last night actually, as it happens!

    Chris, of course you did.

    What he’s saying is that players form certain leagues adapt better to the style of our league due to the pace
    The Spanish and Italian leagues are probably the most different to ours in almost every way so of course it’s going to be harder t adapt
    How’s many Italians in any position have been a success here? It’s the same with us there.

    There have been more successful transitions from la liga but still many have found it hard to adapt.

    Universe juice for break fast then?

  11. Valentin

    Unless we are hiring a player who can adapt to the EPL and Arsenal way of playing straight away (so no injured, unfit, light players) a 6 months loan does not make sense.
    La Liga and the Italian leagues have shown that from the European leagues, those are the league with the biggest adaptation hurdles and the biggest percentage of failures (calculated as being gone within 2 years). The Dutch league input was considered statically irrelevant as a too small sample.
    James Rodriguez’s attitude problem are well known at Real, at Bayern and in his national team. If Emery can’t and won’t deal with Özil, he has even less chance to be able to handle James Rodriguez.
    Moreover he and his agent have already made clear that they are not interested in a move mid season. Surely an unmotivated, tantrum heavy, man child is not the answer to our problems.

  12. Sancho Monzorla

    There’s a week left to find a suitable fullback to replace Bellerin. Not that I’m not looking forward to the Lichtsteiner/Jenkinson comedy duo at RB.

  13. Sancho Monzorla

    I would say English players have had much more trouble adapting abroad than vice versa. It’s not really about adapting though, it’s the quality of the player that matters I think.

  14. Champagne charlie

    “And cc keeps saying why did we even change manager if the new man can’t coach the team to be better. Well fuck, Wenger assembled a shitter and shitter team every single season for at least the last 5 years. Many would argue more than that. So yes it is going to take more than just coaching to get this squad playing consistent high quality football.“

    None of that noise makes a case against what I state in relation to others talking players.

  15. Goobergooner

    Like I get it, you guys are just as frustrated as everyone else.

    I just don’t see why there was so much leeway for the old regime, but no patience with the new regime, that I agree hasn’t even got itself together yet.

  16. qna

    I am not too disappointed if we dont get Suarez either. Especially if the loan isn’t on our terms. Option to buy but not the obligation is the only way we should be doing it. At the very least, no option or obligation since beggars cant be choosers.

    I dont know enough about him to say I dont want him, but just going on his highlights mainly he doesnt seem to have that final ball enough times. Kids got some skills and I think he would be a huge upgrade on many of our players. But we clearly have a very tight budget moving forward. Every single purchase has to be spot on otherwise its going to take years for us to get back to where we were 10-15 years ago.

  17. Dark Hei

    We can sack Sven, use Jenks as RB, buy/loan zero players and give Ozil the golden parachute.

    Everything is ok and alright.

    All Raul needs is for Emery to win game after game after game.

    If that isn’t possible, Raul will need to find some politically correct answers and a silvered tongued relations officer.

  18. Dark Hei

    Le Grove poll!

    “Who should replace Bellerin as RB/RWB ?”

    1. Lich
    2. Jenks
    3. AMN
    4. Ozil (get his ass some work!)
    5. Mustafi (that is more like a dare)

  19. Chris

    Unai

    Zola was an Italian player who was about 5’4 but he didn’t seem to have much troubles. Chelsea seemed to have had the beat players of Italian nationality over the years it seems.

    There hasn’t been a bucketload from there but I can’t believe that a players nationality should be the defining factor in their potential recruitment. More like ability, technique, attitude and professionalism amongst other things. One of Wengers best quotes was “I don’t look at the passport”.

    Don’t get me wrong there should be a balance, a few youngsters from the local area would be great but the chances of that happening are around the same as what you might say are successful recruits from Italy, maybe less.

    Enlighten me, what is universal juice?

  20. Pierre

    Put Ramsey at right back …his man marking of jourginho was excellent…considering he was playing behind the strikers v Chelsea, he created absolutely nothing during the entire game and was invisible in the 2nd half so sticking him at right back looks the logical answer .

  21. Emiratesstroller

    Pedro

    I was frankly unimpressed with the proposed deal for Suarez. I see very little merit going for a 25 year old footballer with virtually no gametime this season
    and as you suggest scores virtually no goals when he actually plays.

    If Arsenal are going to buy an attacking midfielder to replace Ozil and Ramsey
    at the top of a diamond formation then it should be someone who is going to
    make a significant difference to the team and not just another high energy footballer.

    The discussion over Arsenal’s finances is in my view completely ridiculous. Yes the club has made a pigs ear of its transfer and contract business over last
    few years, but there is nothing to suggest that the club is in financial difficulty.

    The club has reached the net transfer budget for the current financial year [this season] and unless there is a significant sale the club are not prepared
    to buy anyone in January.

    There is also the suggestion that we are constrained by UEFA and EPL rules
    on our wage bill. What is the evidence of this when it has been suggested that
    we can bring in two players on loan?

    My guess is that the decision to offload Mislintat is the primary reason why Arsenal are not doing significant transfer business at the moment. They want
    to provide a significant budget for the summer and a new technical director/
    head scout.

    Also I think that there is a lot of uncertainty about players who the club plan to
    retain. We know that Cech is retiring at end of season and both Ramsey and
    Welbeck’s contracts also expire, but little else.

    There is of course a huge wish list of departures and arrivals on Le Grove and
    elsewhere, but my guess is that the optimum number of players recruited next
    summer will be five or six [20-25% of squad].

    The budget will be regulated by our sponsorship funds plus any sales revenues. Clearly the club will also want to maintain its salary cap as well,
    which had been escalating in recent years out of control.

    Arsenal’s horizon this season is at best fourth place unless Spurs implode on
    account of injuries. My personal view is that Manchester United could well take that fourth place rather than Chelsea or ourselves. Frankly they have a
    better squad.

    So the club is at moment in transition and need to play the long game both on
    and off the pitch.

  22. Leedsgunner

    If this deal for Suárez is done, it is a good thing in the long run for the club.

    We have finally started to stand up to Barça’s bullying tactics. We sold Cesc to them at a price they dictated. Gazidas basically rolled over and asked his tummy to be scratched during those negotiations and we severely undersold him. Plus to add salt to the wound, when Cesc came back to the EPL a couple of years later, Barca still hadn’t paid us in full. Must we take their rejects too? At their set price?

    I sincerely hope that under the new regime those days of hapless negotiating are done.

    This loan deal with a compulsory clause to buy was never a good idea for us. It takes all incentive away from the player to perform for us , because he knows he can get a cushy contract at the end of it.

    I’m pleased we told Barça where to go… and we finally grew a pair.

  23. TheBoyCornelius

    My preference for RB would be to properly convert AMN to that position (a la Lauren) and give him the rest of the season to see if it works. Id rather see us stick with the back 4, 3 in midfield for defensive security and use Ramsey/Ozil (of Ozil is willing to put in the graft Emery requires from the No10 but not No10 role)
    Ramsey didnt really man mark Jorginhio but rather blocked the passing lines from the CB’s to gim, or from him forwards – forcing even more of sideways and backwards passes Jorgihnio is want to do.

  24. Graham62

    Un na naai

    “Why wasn’t he sacked sooner?”

    Fear, ignorance, complacency, naivety, greed……………..I can think of many more reasons.

  25. HighburyLegend

    “more because we’re hiring in Ozil MKII ”

    Not totally agree about this quote concerning Rodriguez.
    Ozil is a pussy, I’m not sure we can class Rodriguez in the same category…

  26. Emiratesstroller

    Leeds Gunner

    Why is Suarez being recruited a good thing? This guy has played virtually no football this season.

    Yes I agree that we need to stand up to the Spanish Clubs, but that is not my
    concern about this particular deal.

    If we are replacing Ozil and Ramsey then I want to see an upgrade. Suarez is
    not that player on current evidence.

  27. Carts

    Imagine wasting time with Farcelona over Suarez, while Napoli dip in and secure Fornals for a similar price for next season

  28. Leedsgunner

    Emirates

    Read the entire post.

    Perhaps I should have said “If this deal for Suarez is off it is a good thing for the club in the long run…”

  29. Emiratesstroller

    Leedsgunner

    I did read your entire post. The point is you opened by suggesting it might have been a good deal.

    My point is that if you are replacing two established players in our team you
    recruit someone who is better and certainly not inferior. On current evidence
    based on last two years Suarez performance level suggests that he is not remotely on same level as Ozil and Ramsey.

    If he was there would be a large queue of major clubs queuing up to take this
    player away from Barcelona.

  30. gunnershabz

    to be honest, I rather we invest Saka in the matchday squad then having denis saurez

    this kid can become immense, emery should put in him in the last 10 mins most games and let this kid do something

    like wenger said if you good enough your old enough

  31. Jamie

    I can only remember a single Denilson goal in his entire time at the club – the game against Everton, first game of the season, we smashed them 5-1 or something. An absolute nothing player.

  32. Dr Emil schaffhausen

    I’m glad the Suarez deal is off, I just don’t see the point of a player who is no better than what we already have .
    At this point I would rather the club do nothing in jan and prepare to do serious business in the summer.
    Also want to see nelson brought back for next season .

  33. Dissenter

    I love that famuous Pedro marketing pitch; “We’re in London, there’s upwards of £200m in wages, the Premier League is the greatest test of football, we sell out every week (Italian football has Sunday League attendances outside Juve), we have incredible facilities, and we are a sleeping giant‘\”

    …and I’m a donot?

    Actually the donuts are the folks who ever thought Monchi was going to voluntarily DEMOTE himself after being DoF at Sevilla for 17 years and for the past year at Roma. He has super powers at Roma because he has direct access to the billionaire owner.

  34. Cesc Appeal

    “I know my name is being associated with Arsenal but I am concentrating on my job with Roma.

    “However it is a pleasure being linked with a club like Arsenal.

    “But it is not the first time that happens.”

    From Monchi himself. Good stuff. That last line almost sounds like he’s saying ‘I’m not getting my hopes up’.

  35. Cesc Appeal

    Look at that Roma Press thing as well, they’re not exactly going to say ‘yeah our DoF is off’, are they? But the last line, there’s a release clause, so basically, there’s fuck all they can do about it.

    That is the sum total of that article. We want him to stay, we’re not letting him go, but at the end of the day if he wants to go and someone wants to pay we can’t stop him.

  36. Dissenter

    If we manage to hoodwink Juventus into buying Ramsey now [which is laughable in itself]
    Why splurge the proceeds on a loan player, why not add it to the summer transfer funds?

  37. Emiratesstroller

    As I raised earlier no-one know at the moment the current state of Arsenal’s finances, because last year’s final accounts and the interim accounts up to
    November in current financial year have not been published.

    What we do know is that the European revenues have been reduced by not participating in Champions League.

    However, much if not all that potential loss of revenue has been compensated
    by:
    A] Additional £10 Million from Emirates under new sponsorship deal.
    B] New sponsorship reputed to be £10 Million from Rwanda Tourism
    C] Substantial increase in Commercial TV Revenues.

    Second we spent last season [financial year] £106.97 Million on transfers for
    Aubameyang [£57.38M], Lacazette [£47.70M] and Mavropanos [£1.89M]

    Our sales were £109.98 Million on transfers for Ox [£34.2M], Walcott [£20.25M]
    Giroud [£15.30] Coquelin [£12.6M]Szczesny [[£10.98M] Gabriel [£9.90M] Gibbs [£6.75M]

    So there was no net spend last year we were £3 million in surplus. Moreover
    we did not utilise sponsorship revenues although they may have been used
    to cover instalment payments from preceding season.

    This season our net spend on transfers is around £67 million which is more
    or less equivalent to our sponsorship package.

    So when the media imply we are financially in difficulty over transfers I very
    much doubt it.

    The situation regarding our wage bill is difficult to evaluate over last two seasons. There have been not just additions, but a lot of offloads as well.

  38. Pierre

    Stroller
    You are correct in your assessment of Saurez and him not being an upgrade on what we already have at the club .

    I f Emery is serious about Saurez then he Obviously has reservations about promoting Smith rowe , Willock and Saka to the first team .

    Mhkitaryan ,Ramsey and Ozil in their careers have proven to be much more effective players over the years than saurez.

    Just because Emery hasn’t a clue how to get the best out of our offensive players ( including Lacazette) it doesn’t make them bad players .
    A good manager makes the best of what he has at his disposal and to be honest , Aubamayang,Lacazette, ozil, Mhkitaryan ,Ramsey and iwobi are better than anything we have had since ade,rvp,ces,gosh era.

    If we still had a peak Sanchez to play alongside Aubamayang and Lacazette
    With Mhkitaryan and Ozil to provide the chances then it would be up there with the best.

    United will be a big test on Friday but as our home form has always been very good over the years then we may have enough to get through .

    I would like to see us showing more composure on the ball , the 2nd half v Chelsea was Just a case of putting men behind the ball and lumping it , which is fine sometimes but all that means is that the ball will keep coming back and against a team with a more potent strike course we may get punished.

  39. Receding Hairline

    Aubamayang,Lacazette, ozil, Mhkitaryan ,Ramsey and iwobi are better than anything we have had since ade,rvp,ces,gosh era.

    Summary: Wenger left a super squad and it was wrong to dismiss him

  40. gunnershabz

    to be fair I think Smith-Rowe and Saurez are similar players only difference is experience really

    but you rather just get an experienced defender and right sided one

    but I like to see emery using ESR, saka and Willock more often

  41. Receding Hairline

    I f Emery is serious about Saurez then he Obviously has reservations about promoting Smith rowe , Willock and Saka to the first team .

    Emile Smith Rowe has been injured and before then was very much part of the managers plan

    Willock has more first team goals than Ozil this season

    Saka has featured although not as much as i would like but then Emery is not here to do the things i like but things he deems fit. He is the dude getting sacked at the end of the day not me nor Pierre

  42. gunnershabz

    Saka is prob the tricky pacey winger we need in this side, counter attacking winger I know he is 17 but I am sure he can work himself through

    cristano Ronaldo started at 17/18 at man u

    Saka is a promising talent like Hudson-odoi and don’t be surprised if a german team will want Saka

  43. Graham62

    We are now seen as a poison chalice by many in the game.

    Having become such a mishmash of shambolic systems and procedures, Arsenal FC is not as attractive a proposition as some on here seem to think.

    We didn’t become an embarrassment just on the pitch.

  44. Un na naai

    UnaiZola was an Italian player who was about 5’4 but he didn’t seem to have much troubles. Chelsea seemed to have had the beat players of Italian nationality over the years it seem

    Chris

    Zola
    Di Matteo
    Ravanelli
    Di canio

    In over 100 years of English football zola is the only name you can come up with??

    I’ve come up with four

    Kind of proves my point don’t you think?
    It’s not their nationality but a completely different footballing culture which makes it harder to adapt

    You’re seeing what you want to see to suit your tofu chomping narrative. That an English man enjoying a certain amount of English players in his London club is somehow xenophobic. It isn’t. Just like it isn’t when Italian and Spanish and German sides are littered with their own.

  45. Dissenter

    Un na
    Why wasn’t Wenger sacked?
    Because Kroenke was too emotionally attached to him, the man loved Wenger same as many of you who still,can’t help but defend him until now.
    You’re revising the history by giving the appearance that Wenger was just another manager that could be sacked without a very clear reason. So long as there was the mere appearance is success, then Kroenke was going to keep him. The FA cup wins created that optical illusion. Until the final season, it was still a divided fan base about keeping Wenger.

  46. Emiratesstroller

    Regarding wage bill last season I am fairly sure that the departure of Sanchez,
    Walcott, Giroud, Coquelin and Debuchy will have taken off the wage bill from
    January at least £490K pw from February. The wage bill for Aubameyang and
    Mkhitaryan was around £320-340K pw so around £150K of Ozil’s pay rise will
    have been also covered by the offloads.

  47. gunnershabz

    but if rumours are true we have pulled the plug on denis saurez then that’s fine, but these James Rodriquez rumours still not going away though

  48. Un na naai

    Dissenter

    That’s your version of events

    It may be that our new owner was perfectly happy as long as champions league revenue was still streaming into the coffers. Funny how wenger never went until he dropped out of it for two years.

    But even if your version of events are the case then it’s still the owners faultt
    Yes wenger is another manager just like anyone else. I hold him dear to my heart because of the memories he gave me and the great times as a teenager growing up watching us play the best football the country had ever seen

    Kroenke on the other hand would have no such affection because he couldn’t have given two squirts of piss about our titles

    It was within his hands to sack an underperforming manager. What ever reason you give, it’s his job.

  49. Dissenter

    Suarez will still come thisJanuary.. I still think Barca are going to cave in at the last moment.
    A loan with no obligation to buy is still the best way for them to sell Denis Suarez. Even if we don’t buy him in the summer, someone else may because we are going to put him in the shop window.
    We will get our way with the loan deal, that’s pretty obvious.

  50. Bamford10

    Pierre

    “Just because Emery hasn’t a clue how to get the best out of our offensive players (including Lacazette) it doesn’t make them bad players.”

    Complete nonsense.

  51. Bamford10

    Un Na

    We long ago established that Kroenke should have replaced Wenger sooner. Many years sooner. I’m not sure why you think this point needs to be made here at this late date. Oh right, you want to make it about Kroenke.

  52. Dissenter

    Un na
    It seems you never rea all the comments Kroenke was making about Wenber from the beginning. He was just feeding off Arsenal fans like you to be honest
    What’s laughable is still constant protection of blame to Kroenke to leave Wenger’s reputation unsmirched.
    SAF was another illustrious manager [n the same era as Wenger]. He knew the club would never fire him for marginal reasons and he spared everyone the belly ache by choosing to go out on his own terms.
    Wenger knew the same fact; the owner and fan base were emotionally connected to him – he used that to extend his reign as long as possible.

    In principle ,the owner can dissolve the entire team and move the stadium to St Loius….the same way Wenger could have been sacked like any other two-bob manager.
    The decline was initially drip-drip until the bottom fell out in the last two seasons.

  53. Un na naai

    Bamford

    Who in the bejesus made you master and commander guy? Er nobody. Get back in the class room and take out your repressed emotional issues on your boys

  54. Un na naai

    Un na
    It seems you never rea all the comments Kroenke was making about Wenber from the beginning. He was just feeding off Arsenal fans like you to be honest
    What’s laughable is still constant protection of blame to Kroenke to leave Wenger’s reputation unsmirched.

    Dissenter

    Erm, the whole debate here started BECAUSE I SAID HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN SACKED SOONER.
    So how is that absolving him of blame? Of course he played his role. You’re literally projecting views onto me that aren’t mine. You’re normally quite a sensible poster dissenter.

  55. Goobergooner

    Un na,

    Come on man. Leave the job out of it.

    I was a Wenger out for sure. Doesn’t mean I hate the man or think any less of his achievements.

    He just well and truly overstayed his welcome and the team and club structure was left behind the rest of the big boys as a result of his ineptitude in his final years.

    But dissenter was right, in my opinion.

    With the home fans singing Wenger’s name every game until only a couple of seasons ago, and half the fan base supporting him til the very last day, how was Kroenke meant to sack him until shit hit the fan properly (bottom line affected)?

  56. Uwot?

    Yep.Dissenter.with you on the Suarez assessment.loan deal withOPTION to buy NOT compulsory.wil happen.Just those Catalan C**ts trying to be their usual selves expecting us to cave in I.e ( Gazidis).still miffed at most of the duds we flogged them & trying to get their revenge.arrogant c** ts.as regards the Dof that will almost certainly be either Munchi or Overmars.either one will do .Not fussed.

  57. Bamford10

    Takin’ the Mikh recommended bringing Ozil back in on Friday, which if we stay in 4-4-2 might mean we look like the below:

    _________Leno
    Mait__Sokr__Kosc__Kola
    ________Torreir
    ___Xhaka____Ramsey
    _________Ozil
    ____Auba____Laca

    Or, if he switches to 3-5-2, it could like the below:

    __________Leno
    ___Must__Sokr__Kosc
    AMN__Xhak__Torr___Kola
    __________Ozil
    _____Auba_____Laca

    Or, if you want to keep Ramsey in the XI, the above could look like the below:

    __________Leno
    ___Must__Sokr__Kosc
    AMN__Torr__Ramsy__Kola
    __________Ozil
    _____Auba_____Laca

    What would people go with, and why?

  58. Pierre

    Bamford
    Are you saying that our offensive players are playing to their full potential …if so , then why are trying to sign Saurez as all stats show that the players we have at the club now have historically proved more effective than saurez.

    At the club now we have Ramsey ( in and out of the side) Ozil( in and out of the side) Mhkitaryan( ditto) and Lacazette (ditto)….

    The manager hasn’t settled into a system whether a defensive or offensive formation ….7 months is time enough to assess what he has and I find it quite strange that after assessing the situation he feels that Saurez is the player we need considering we have conceded more goals at this stage of the season than the last half half century.

  59. Dick Emery

    I really can’t see a loan signing out there that is going to make an instant impact to our first team in the 4 months left of the season (could take that long to settle in). I think this is an ideal opportunity to blood youth where needed.

  60. Bamford10

    Un Na

    “take out your repressed emotional issues on your boys”

    Really weird thing to write on the internet. I feel like this tells us more about Un Na’s own repressed desires and twisted imagination than anything else.

  61. Charlie George

    PedRo
    ( better today- yesterday’s was slightly lacklustre by his exalted standards..)

    Emery – yesterday- I thought once again looked unfit to be the Arsenal coach- with him looking slightly ridiculous in his army face paint and camouflage costume.

    The Arsenal coachs position is a very prestigious one. High standards are always expected.

    I felt yesterdays ‘paint balling exercise nonsense was very much circa 1980s Crazy Gang and Dave Bassett antics.

    We are The Arsenal and in the words of our missed and much loved player Rocky Rocastle.

    “Remember who you are,What you are and who you Represent ”

    alas, the New regime – probably don’t even know who that great man is.

  62. Bamford10

    Pierre

    I realize that you’re not here to make honest arguments, but surely you can see that there is a massive difference between ‘Emery hasn’t a clue how to get the best out of our offensive players’ and ‘Emery has yet to identify the optimal attacking set-up for the non-ideal assortment of players he has at his disposal’. The latter is a reasonable take; the former is not.

    Also, we just beat Chelsea 2-0, and Aubameyang and Lacazette have 14 and 8 PL goals, respectively. I think it’s fair to say that Emery is getting a few things right and figuring a few things out attacking-wise.

    As for Ozil’s play this season, well, that’s on Ozil, not on Unai Emery.

  63. Bamford10

    Higuain will apparently have his medical in London today and may be ready to play for Chelsea on Saturday. He had 36 goals under Sarri in 15-16, but he is now 31 years old. How big of an impact do people think he will have at Chelsea?

  64. Charlie George

    Un

    And thanks for getting to grips and explaining it ( better than I do ) – the reason I want Brits/French players -predominately in our team – is because of the much higher success rate of these players adapting in the arena they work (i e the Prem)
    Plus we have witnessed this with our own great teams and players of the past. (Petit/Anelka/Nasri/Adeabyeor (french league) Giroud/pires/henry/Vieria/Wiltord/gallas /clichy and now Genduzi etc)

    i know there are examples of italians/Spaniards who have broke this mould. But they are minute in comparison.

    We sign Suarez -basically new regime are saying- We know best – and have not studied Arsenals past successes!

    Which at every failing business – the first thing you do -is analyse where you successful before

    Arsenal 2019 (British/French warriors)

  65. Chris

    Unai

    Actually, I was insinuating that an Italian, also possibly physically challenged, was a huge success, as you know he was.

    So are we supposed to disregard Italy as a whole in our search? Or is that Italians just aren’t suited to our game completely? Are you going to tell me players like Inzaghi, Cannavaro, Nesta, Maldini, Albertini et al et allllllllll, would not have flourished in the English game?

    Like I said, unless it presents work permit issues, the nationality of a player should matter little. It’s whether the management believes they can fit in. It would be remiss and short sighted to simply say, this nationality cannot prosper in the Premier League.

    Look at how many nationalities we have had over the years, from Europe, Africa and South America among others, who have been huge successes. To say we should only scout from France and England is ridiculous.

    Again I would love to see local lads in the team who weee boyhood Gooners. However what is the likelihood of this? For example, how many have come through the academy in recent years?

    If you limit your field of search for new players to improve you, then naturally the selection will be smaller. Let’s look everywhere and not let common misconceptions and lazy, sweeping judgements of certain nationalities limit that.

  66. Chris

    Charlie George

    Your obvious agenda against Emery (and the current management team) is embarrassing.

    I suppose George Graham’s conduct whilst Arsenal manager was immaculate also throughout his whole time at the club?

  67. Guns of Hackney

    Once again, arsenal and its stupid fans are banking on Moshi the dinosaur to save the club. Why?

    Didn’t players win matches in the old days?

    Look, Sven who came with all the bells and whistles is now jobless within 12 months. Arsenal are a gravy train and you can hire as many ‘hip’ backroom staff as you can pay, but ultimately the results on the pitch matter. And arsenal are shit.

    We are a desperately run club.

  68. Charlie George

    “Are you going to tell me players like Inzaghi, Cannavaro, Nesta, Maldini, Albertini et al et allllllllll, would not have flourished in the English game”

    No.

    But We both can agree we cant afford those players!
    Apart from these iconic players -any other affordable italians you can think off?

  69. Charlie George

    Guns Of H

    totally agree.

    Fans have a total obsession -with all these overseas administrators. They all think they have the Midas Touch,

    We have seen first hand – how good they are.
    Raul Sannelli first year!

  70. Chris

    Charlie George

    The value of the player isn’t entirely relevant though in this instance

    What you appear to be saying is that Italian players aren’t cut out for it in England, by and large. Those players are only a few of immense quality who you would likely say would have been fantastic in the league, Inzaghi for example, a supreme poacher.

    Man Itd back in the day could have possibly signed some of them. These days you have the oil baron clubs. We probably couldn’t but that wasn’t the point

  71. Chris

    If we are going to be a club that can’t make the big money signings, then we need to be finding the diamonds in the rough. Which means we need to look far and wide. We can’t pick and choose which nationalities to ignore on the basis ‘they don’t want it lads!’when there is always exceptions to a supposed rule.

  72. gunnershabz

    if we need a full back and it seems like Man U matteo darmain is available, would anyone be up for loaning him

    I know man u might deny it but it will cover our full back positions

  73. Guns of Hackney

    CG

    When we have gone this long without a sniff of a top prize, everyone gets desperate.

    The new tea in the canteen apparently comes from the foothills of Nepal and makes players not shit anymore. It only costs £50,000 a tea bag.

  74. Charlie George

    Chris

    I Do not think -italian players on the whole can cut the mustard in English football.

    And also. In general. i do not think English players adapt very well in Serie A.

    therefore – i would not buy Italian players .
    i would buy french or english lower league players. but preferably English first.

  75. gunnershabz

    has anyone seen this player barca and psg fighting over

    frenkie de jong of Ajax

    £63m has been touted along

    he is that good???

  76. Charlie George

    Guns of h

    All Arsenal need to do to get back on track- is to revert back to what was once a very successful model.

    A mixture of stout British/Irish players forming the teams backbone- laced with some french magic , flair and power.

    Why do we want Spaniards/italians.? Our football is so much more alien to them.

    they play pretty football in Spain
    We play ugly football in England ( with appalling Refs)

  77. Marc

    I think 99% of English players are over priced, over paid, over rated and lacking both in talent and technical application.

    Therefore I would prefer it if we avoided buying English players unless exceptional circumstances presented themselves.

  78. Charlie George

    Should Arsenal sign Wayne Rooney back from the usa?
    get him fit. get him off the booze.
    give him a heavily incentivised deal. Offer him a new challenge.
    He is a better passer than Xhaka – certainly no slower.
    Play him in the home games..
    (Defoe- come back from USA)

  79. Charlie George

    After all he is Englands and Man Us top ever goalscorer.

    Commercially – even we could not mess this up.

    Hearing Club Level is unsellable at the moment.

    He could even play right back!

  80. Dissenter

    Marc
    “How the fuck do you use the internet when you’re in a straight jacket?
    Voice to text software, available everywhere.
    I’ve coined the term gooner-loons for folks like Charlie George.
    Stark raving loony

  81. Charlie George

    he is 2 years younger than Lichstiener!

    Whoever sanctioned that deal needs to be put in a straight jacket!

    Rooney, even now is a better option than Elneny in centre midfield!

  82. Marc

    Dissenter

    Well that doesn’t say much about AI does it – I mean you’d expect a genuine intelligence to tell him to stop being a cunt!

  83. Un na naai

    ChrisJanuary 23, 2019 13:04:17
    UnaiActually, I was insinuating that an Italian, also possibly physically challenged, was a huge success, as you know he was. So are we supposed to disregard Italy as a whole in our search? Or is that Italians just aren’t suited to our game completely? Are you going to tell me players like Inzaghi, Cannavaro, Nesta, Maldini, Albertini et al et allllllllll, would not have flourished in the English game?Like I said, unless it presents work permit issues, the nationality of a player should matter little. It’s whether the management believes they can fit in. It would be remiss and short sighted to simply say, this nationality cannot prosper in the Premier League. Look at how many nationalities we have had over the years, from Europe, Africa and South America among others, who have been huge successes. To say we should only scout from France and England is ridiculous. Again I would love to see local lads in the team who weee boyhood Gooners. However what is the likelihood of this? For example, how many have come through the academy in recent years? If you limit your field of search for new players to improve you, then naturally the selection will be smaller. Let’s look everywhere and not let common misconceptions and lazy, sweeping judgements of certain nationalities limit that.

    Chris

    I’m not suggesting any of that as well you know. I’m saying that Charlie George is not a racist for pining for some English blood in the side. It’s the life blood of the game and a link to the local fans. This shouldn’t need explaining. If Nketiah becomes a 25 goal a season striker it’s all the more sweeter than signing aubameyang to do the job
    Local heroes a la Scholes Adams Terry Gerrard Lampard Raul Del Piero Totti Fowler are adored beacuse of this.
    Plyayers who bleed the colour of their club. Who love the club as much as those paying £2000 for their seat in the cold.

    Also what I’m saying is that yes if you can find anyone anywhere that improves your side then don’t discount them but it’s not illogical to suggest that a £3m vieira or £500k anelka is a better fit and represents better value than inzaghi or cannavaro for £40m
    The best Italian players tend to stay out. They prefer their own league, their own country their, own culture. If they do leave it’s for warm climates. Try getting nesta or totti over here……they wouldn’t bother their arse.

    You’re looking through your SJW prism without considering the realities of human nature and circumstance.
    There are cultural (footballing) reasons why the Italians don’t come here and we don’t go there.

    Maybe Ramsey May change that. Could do with some of our young lads getting top class Italian tutelage.

  84. Nelson

    I think I am one of the few here who still want the club to sign someone on load in this TW. We are still in 3 competitions. We can’t keep playing our best players every match. We are walking on thin ice. If we lost Torr, our season is over. At the end of last game, Torr looked so tired. If the club doesn’t sign nobody in this TW, I suggest we give up on the FA Cup and concentrate on the other two competitions.

  85. Un na naai

    Bamford10January 23, 2019 12:23:27
    Un Na“take out your repressed emotional issues on your boys”Really weird thing to write on the internet. I feel like this tells us more about Un Na’s own repressed desires and twisted imagination than anything else.

    Bamford
    Haha

    Middle aged man’s version of “I know you are but what am I?”
    At least get some originality.

  86. bennydevito

    Charlie GeorgeJanuary 23, 2019 15:03:28
    he is 2 years younger than Lichstiener!Whoever sanctioned that deal needs to be put in a straight jacket! Rooney, even now is a better option than Elneny in centre midfield!

    That was Sven the Messiah. Thank goodness he’s going.

  87. bennydevito

    Goobergooner, Bamford,

    Some great comments today, the Emery out agenda is getting so boring it’s actually ruining the comments section.

    The butthurt cult of Wengerites should use their own mantra and judge him in May.

  88. Chris

    Unai

    Charlie George is suggesting we sign Wayne Rooney so maybe he isn’t racist, just plain delusional. He may yearn for the days of the 80s and 90s but seems to forget football has changed irreversibly and a team full of mainly Englishman is unlikely to get you to the top prizes because while there are a number of promising young English players, the best tend to come from Europe and South America largely.

    I also think 3m and 500k signings are very much logical if you like what you see but you mentioned French examples there, what is the harm in scouting for any nationality under that criteria? We wouldn’t need a team of Italians, but if we can find just one diamond from there for a small sum then it would have been worth the search. Historically there have been successful players from Italy who have made it to England, so it is worth looking.

    Platty rocked it in Italy!

    What I could make out is that Charlie George is saying don’t even bother looking in certain places because they must all be too slow or weak or some other nonsense. Quality players get by on their talent as a footballer and person, not their nationalities. It’s nothjng about social justice, just finding great footballers.

  89. bennydevito

    Looking forward to Friday’s game, we need to take our chances and hope De Gea has an off game and Aubameyang puts his Thierry Henry boots on and not his Andy Cole ones.

    We also need to have a plan for Rashford and put a man on Pogba. This is going to be our toughest challenge yet so far this season, I’m not feeling confident it has to be said.

  90. Un na naai

    Chris

    Look. I’m not saying we shouldn’t sign Italian or Spanish players mate. You’re not getting my point

    What I’m saying is that I understand where Charlie George is coming from and insisting it’s not racist or xenophobic to want some English lads in the side. Not shite for the sake of it but to find and develop quality and mix it with world class signings and some non English gems. But I agree there should be some English players in the side.

    Not the whole team like the 70s and 80s but 3-4-5 players. I’d take 3 right now
    As an English man and a supporter of the national side i would love to see all of our clubs develop our own talent for the good of the national game. It would also give me immense pride to support our lads again like I used to with Adams and platt and Campbell and Cole.

    In short. I don’t care if we sign Italian or Spaniards. I don’t care. I’m just defending Charlie’s views as you labelled him a racist and quite frankly it’s out of order.

  91. Un na naai

    Aubameyang puts his Thierry Henry boots on and not his Andy Cole ones.

    Benny
    Won’t matter if lacazette is on the field

  92. Nelson

    “But I agree there should be some English players in the side.”

    I thought the FA is going to revise the rule to limit the number of foreign players in the 18 men squad

  93. Thorough

    As it is looking very unlikely we’ll get anything done this January, we might as well start name-dropping for next year. I’ll go first. I want 5 players and they’ll make us contenders straight away: Harry Maguire, Kai Havertz, Ismaila Sarr, Carrasco and Thomas Partey.
    funk it I’ll even start the fundraiser with a dollar.

  94. englandsbest

    Pedro, I know one of the foundations of your ‘new, progressive’ Arsenal has jumped ship, but I guess the Club can get by without him. Too many cooks spoil the broth anyway.

  95. Un na naai

    But we can play with the players we have now and have the same message to every supporter. If we have the possibility to sign some important player then we can do.

    “Also on the wing – right or left – if one player can help us in this position. But only if they are giving us big quality.

    “First it is the quality, and this quality can help us with what we need if he can come here.”

    Who said this?
    Wenger or emery?

  96. Chris

    Unai

    Okay I’m glad we can agree in general but over the past few weeks some of his posts to me had undertones of Britain first etc. Maybe I have it wrong. I am sorry if he or anyone is offended. I just think his point of view is somewhat naive.

  97. Chris

    HL

    Fair enough. I think Wenger teams still played great football up until 2011 or so on a consistent basis, and patchy with flashes up from then up until the last couple of years obviously.

    I’m not going to say the English game isn’t physical but it has been proved by more than one side that it is also capable of being home to teams of incredible skill and technique bearing players of many, many different nationalities.

  98. Un na naai

    Real Madrid are to offer €60m plus James in the summer to spurs for Eriksen which is why they don’t want him to come to Arsenal

    What a tastey little deal that would be for spurs

    And we got Mkhitaryan in a straight swap for Sanchez???

  99. Un na naai

    I am sorry if he or anyone is offended. I just think his point of view is somewhat naive.

    Chris

    Naive is a world away from being racist. People are nuanced. It’s nit always as cut and dried as, he prefers English players, he’s racist.

  100. Charlie George

    It’s not naive to think British players players have more chance of succeeding in the Prem than their overseas counter parts .
    It’s not naive to think British administrators ( E.g. Dein,) will do better than their la liga equivalents.

    It’s not naive – to think Spanish players will do better than their English counterparts.

    I’ll call it common sense.

    If Emery and Raul do not know Arsenals illustrious history. They should be no where near the place.

    He was the Wrong Choice!
    He will always be the Wrong Choice!

    From the moment he came aboard – carrying his cup of coffee – meeting the players, and nor wearing his Arsenal blazer – i knew that.
    Yesterday’s photo shoot was tacky and gimmicky. It ain’t Seville lite.

    It’s The Arsenal, Chris!

  101. salpardisenyc

    I fondly remember the Ozil vs Erikson debates that use to consume this site.
    Interesting how that played out.

  102. Chris

    That’s not what I mean Unai

    Naive in terms of thinking you will find everything you are looking for in your squad in such a small area, in this day and age (I am aware of the Lisbon Lions, before anyone says!)

  103. Chris

    Charlie

    I don’t think anything I say will sway you from your point of view, so good for you and all but I get the feeling you’re not in a minority as such, but most will see things differently.

    You cannot yet say Emery and Raul are failures at Arsenal. If you see using a team
    Binding photo shoot as a stick to beat the coach with them that just seems extremely petty.

    The greatest manager in our history often wore tracksuit bottoms and training tops so again, a harsh criticism in my opinion, for not being seen in his club blazer 24/7. That was once the way but as you seem to fail to grasp, time moves on.