Monchi sleuthing uncovers tasty tidbit + 3 directions Raul could take Arsenal

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Arsenal confirmed last week’s exclusive: Sven Mislintat is leaving in early February, dropping an American style short notice period. It marks an embarrassingly short tenure for a hire of such expense/fanfare and it really does demonstrate the damage of a shite succession plan.

The story really is a mixed bag. What is clear is he didn’t impress Ivan or Raul. The timeline of the narrative seems to be this:

  • Ivan promised Sven the Technical Director role when Arsene left. The German was hired with the promise of a promotion. Everyone in business generally knows that if you are hired into a sideways position, you’re usually being bullshitted (bullshat?) about a promotion that will never come.
  • Sven’s first act was to bring the Dortmund band back together. He led the signings of Mikhi, Auba, and Sokratis (rumoured he wanted Pulisic as well). All very expensive with little hope for a long-term return on investment. Were these signings at the behest of Ivan who wanted to shoot for CL short term? Or were they all on Sven?
  • He did bring some youth magic to the club. Lucas Torreira and Mavrapanos are Sven signings. There are conflicting reports over Guendouzi. I read that Wenger was a fan of MG and spoke to him, but then I’ve read that Emery was a huge pull for the player and his family.
    • Worth noting that the players Sven is responsible for were likely overspill from Dortmund. Perhaps that’s why there were rumblings of discontent from the Arsenal scouting team. Sven was just a name dropper, versus a change agent (process/tech/hires).
  • January comes around, the club is being linked heavily with players that look like they’re from the world of ‘contacts’ scouting. Suarez, Banega, James and Carrasco do not have the hallmarks of Sven. They are Emery and Raul teaming up.

Summary: Sven lost the power struggle. Raul and Emery ignored his recommendations. He didn’t impress enough to earn the promotion he wanted. He didn’t show up enough, which suggests his signings were black book specials. He had neither power nor the ear of the execs. He left.

So what’s next for Arsenal?

We could be looking to adopt a bit of the New England Patriots model.

The Patriots were $10 million over the NFL salary cap before Belichick’s arrival, and he quickly went about recruiting more affordable players that fit his system and philosophy. The result was a team that prioritized certain characteristics (toughness, intelligence, work ethic, ability to take coaching, and a team-first mentality), fit within the constraints of the salary cap, and allowed Belichick to develop a unique game plan for every opponent, and adapt on the fly.

“Whereas most people play the game, Belichick plays the opposition,” Wells says. “He adapts to the competition in order to beat them. It’s why he can win a Super Bowl with a largely mediocre roster—his players are adaptable. They play for each other and play for him, and they’ll do whatever they’re told to do to the best of their ability because of it. It goes to show what leadership and proper motivation can do.”

“Just like in business, a quick win is all very fine,” Wells says. “You can borrow from the balance sheet. You can hand out big contracts and bonuses to attract star players. But you mortgage the future. Bill Belichick and Robert Kraft don’t want to win once. They want to win over and over again. They know that’s how you build a fan base, that’s how you build a legacy, and that’s ultimately how you make money.”

Find players at elite clubs that have lost their way, offer them love and support, hope they repay you on the pitch. This method is also comparable to the one Wenger adopted in the early years. He gave old players a rebirth, he found value in markets no one else was looking in, and he took chances on broken players, he outperformed expectations on a budget.

Marc Overmars was a crock, PV04 was rotting on Milan’s bench, Thierry was a right wing back, Bobby P had an attitude problem at Marseille, and Nwankwo Kanu had had a heart attack!

The more I think about it, the more I try and convince myself that there’s value in an approach like this. Pepper in a few Nicolas Anelka’s (which might have been what Raul was trying to do with Malcolm last January) and we could make something happen. My only issue here is you really do need a next level coach to make something like this work (You also need to be finding actual gems as well).

We could also look to Sevilla and more recently Roma for inspiration. The genius of Monchi has been well covered on this site. He’s one of the best talent hunters in Europe. Importantly, he finds value in both young and older players (Raul seems to be of this view). He most recently gave Dzeko a rebirth at Roma, but his real speciality is finding young players like Ramos, Rakitic, Reyes, Dani Alves and Keita. He usually moves them on for huge sums of money, with the uncanny knack of replacing them without decimating the progress of the club he’s running. I also found this tidbit from a 2014 Graham Hunter article about the Spaniard.

This is chaotic for a meticulously planned coach like Sevilla’s Unai Emery and it cranks up the pressure on Monchi not to make a single slip. And there are so many areas wherein that slip could occur: who to sell, how much for, who to buy, what type of guy to bring into this flexible, intelligent, technical but very hard-pressing football philosophy.

You’d think it would stress him. But last year he spent the majority of the season in London, conducting his business from a rented flat there and learning to speak English. Such an endeavour will augment both his market skills and his market viability when, as eventually must happen, he follows the route favoured by his pupils.

He’s a secret Londoner!

He’d suit the Spanish vibe of the club and he’s clearly good pals with Emery. He’d be a comfort for the both of them and he’d have the fans moister than a Mr Kipling baked good. David Ornstein has him linked for the Technical Director role, with Francis Cagiago replacing Mislintat.

We could look the Red Bull franchise for inspiration, seeing as we’re done copying whatever Dortmund are up to. They have a system of coach and player creation that really is a force to be reckoned with. They’ve built a vision around hard pressing young players that are given the chance to play and shine before being moved on to bigger clubs. This is Rangnick on what he scouts for.

‘The difference between us and other clubs is that when we sign or scout new players, we are fishing in a very small pond. We only interested in players aged between 17 and 23, as from our experience, when you are 23 you are no longer a talent. If you look at other clubs and their development, you can see that players start their careers earlier than 10 years ago and finish earlier too. So we are only scouting those players. The maximum age is 23. The second difference is that in both clubs, we try to implement and play the same style of football and of course between the two clubs, we make use of synergies that can be developed out of those two factors.’

Big difference between RB and Arsenal is there’s a philosophy that runs across all the clubs they have under the RB name. This from The Blizzard.

Here are the principles: one, add maximum possibility to the team and act, don’t react. So you need to dictate the game with and without the ball, not through individuals. Two, use numerical superiority and let the ball run directly whenever possible, with no unnecessary individual action and with no fouls. Three, use transitions, switch quickly. Try to win back the ball within five seconds with aggressive pressing. After winning the ball back, play quickly straight away, play direct and vertically towards the opponent’s goal, surprise the disorganised opponent to get into the penalty area and shoot within ten seconds of winning the ball back.

Now, it would appear Raul and Emery don’t want Arsenal to be a developmental setup. They want instant success, which is totally up to them. I just don’t think Arsenal has the resources to be a force there. I think we should be growing out a Dortmund+++ model. Or to be more precise, a project youth with bells and whistles.

I also think we should be building out our coaching staff in the same way we’d like to approach players. Hire in specialists in pressing philosophy, find the coaches with the best ideas when it comes to attacking, find the people who dream of clean sheets and wake up with dirty ones.

That’s my concern with having no CEO and a lack of scrutiny of what Raul is up to. We spent 14 years trying to expel a manager who controlled to the club, now we’ve handed footballing decisions to two people who basically answer to no one (I know, I know, they have a Whatsapp group with Stan). Emery was already allowed to hire in his mates. They’ve already seen off Sven, and though it might have been deserved, the idea of Monchi coming in makes things look even more nepotistic.

All good if it’s working out, not so good if it isn’t.

Still, Monchi is a f*cking baller and he’s done it at 2 clubs. On the face of it, that’d be a stunning coup. Makes you wonder why we were even talking to Edu if the Spaniard was available?

The positive of all of this is at least we’re heading into the unknown. Beats the stagnant vibes of the Wenger years. Let’s hope the latest chapter is a clearer vision for how we get to success. More efficiency, more excitement, more of a footballing philosophy we can all buy into.

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320 Responses to “Monchi sleuthing uncovers tasty tidbit + 3 directions Raul could take Arsenal”

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  1. Marko

    Solskjaer has managed Molde. Zidane managed the Real Madrid Castilla team for two seasons before taking on the Madrid job and I’m not sure what your point is with regards to Mourinho. He had experience at Benfica and Unioai de Leiria before the Porto job. Was two seasons at Porto before the Chelsea job. Arteta would have had zero managerial experience and just two seasons as an assistant coach before possibly being Arsenal manager. Not the same thing

  2. Un na naai

    PedroJanuary 22, 2019 14:51:34
    Can’t work out if Emery is picking a new boss, or a partner if he brings in Monchi?

    Pedro
    Maybe we should wait til he can pick a team to beat West Ham or Brighton first

  3. Dream10

    Pedro

    Roma’s transfer business under Monchi has been shaky. The worry I have about Emery having a say is the he’ll stick around even we don’t improve, thanks to having Sanllehi and a possible incoming technical director being on his side.

  4. gambon

    Whether its Monchi, or someone else, theres no doubt we need an absolute genius to steer us through the next few years.

    Realistically, how many long term players do we have at the club right now?

    Leno
    Bellerin
    Holding
    Mavropanos
    Torreira
    Guendouzi
    Iwobi

    Thats it really. Bearing in mind most teams have a 25 man squad, we need to find 18 more players in the coming years, including some absolute stars if we are going to win anything.

    Not to mention a few real talents that are at the stage where they are too good for U23 football, but not ready to play for Arsenal. Namely Nelson, Saka, Amaechi. As well as some decent kids in Willock, NKetiah and AMN that will either be sold or maybe play a part.

  5. Un na naai

    Marko

    Hahaha. And I’ve managed the dog and duck twos and threes for over a decade

    Doesn’t mean I can take over clubs like Manchester United or Real Madrid.
    So managing molde for two seasons qualifies you for the United job, which is a much bigger and prestigious job than ours but learning under pep for two seasons and being lauded as an ready made top manager by the best manager in the world isn’t enough?

    I think I’d go with pep’s views over yours.
    You have literally no idea how good Arteta could be for us so how can you shoot us down?

    Then you make comments about Solskjaer having a better team than emery so United are better with a manager who has far less experience and proven quality at top level. In fact proven anything at top level.

    So bar your metrics then if the arsenal suits went and spent £200m on the best in the world for arteta then he instantly becomes a competent manager capable of taking on experienced under achievers like emery.

  6. Un na naai

    You’re going to bin me because I point out your bias from time to time? How very Tony Attwood of you. Grow up it’s the internet?

    Marko

    You’ve been a bitchy little girl on these pages for the last couple of years. Maybe Pedro has tired of your insufferable need for constant negative attention.

  7. Marko

    So managing molde for two seasons qualifies you for the United job, which is a much bigger and prestigious job than ours but learning under pep for two seasons and being lauded as an ready made top manager by the best manager in the world isn’t enough?

    I would say not having managed a club before and just having two years experience as an assistant doesn’t qualify you for the Arsenal job no. Niceties between friends doesn’t beat actually managing a football club or coaching a squad all by yourself.

    Then you make comments about Solskjaer having a better team than emery so United are better with a manager who has far less experience and proven quality at top level. In fact proven anything at top level.

    I never said that I believe yesterday I said that he shouldn’t be getting so many plaudits because he inherited an already good squad and was just playing inform players in their proper positions and winning against (bar Spurs) weaker teams

  8. Un na naai

    I would say not having managed a club before and just having two years experience as an assistant doesn’t qualify you for the Arsenal job no.

    I would say that his ideas and philosohy are very bit as important as his two years of experience at a shitty Scandinavian club, more so even.
    I’d say watching how the best manager operates while winning titles and managing world class players is also more important then spending two years managing nobodies at a shitty Scandinavian club

    And you did say that United are better than us because of their squad regardless of the fact they have a rookie manager.

    Which arteta is. So if he is upplied with £200m and world class additions does that make him as capable as Solskjaer in achieving a top four finish.

    Which you said he has much more chance of doing than emery due to the level of wonderful players at his disposal.

  9. Receding Hairline

    I would say that his ideas and philosohy are very bit as important as his two years of experience at a shitty Scandinavian club, more so even.

    What are his ideas?? What’s his philosophy?

  10. Un na naai

    Marko

    I’m not banning you and I’m not saying I would. I believe totally in freedom of speech no matter how much I disagree with it.

    I’m just pointing out that you’re constantly looking for some niggly girly little spat on here. You never relate well with anyone, ever unless it’s to commend someone for a like minded bitchy comment. Every single day you’re on here butting into other people’s debates and looking to vent your anger and frustration on anyone who disagrees with you.

    Maybe take it down a notch unless you really do revel in the negativity, which I firmly believe you do. Otherwise there’d be some form of positive interaction on here sometimes.

  11. Marko

    I would say that his ideas and philosohy are very bit as important as his two years of experience at a shitty Scandinavian club, more so even.

    Which are? Can you name me one idea? Any example of his philosophy? Was a RM then a CM and then turned into a pretty ineffective DM which would all point to what?

    I’d say watching how the best manager operates while winning titles and managing world class players is also more important then spending two years managing nobodies at a shitty Scandinavian club

    Brian Kidd has got the same experience in that regard. Domenec Torrent has been with him since Barcelona and Bayern why not him. No experience in being an actual manager and has been watching him and assisting for longer.

  12. Un na naai

    What are his ideas what is his philosophy?

    Receding

    Do you have to know what a coaches ideas are for AFC to hire him? Don’t think they received the memo.

    In all seriousness I’ve read about him having a similar attacking philosophy to pep. Possession based. And that his ideas impressed the arsenal board more than emery’s but they wanted experienced hands (basically bottled it) and that pep is highly impressed with him as a student of the game and with his own visions and concepts

  13. Un na naai

    During the interview he described how his team would be built to entertain.

    “My philosophy will be clear,” he said. “I want the football to be expressive, entertaining. I cannot have a concept of football where everything is based on the opposition.

    We have to dictate the game, we have to be the ones taking the initiative, and we have to entertain the people coming to watch us. I’m 100 per cent convinced of those things, and I think I could do it.”

    Arteta added: “You can have an idea of a system, but you need to be able to transform it depending on the players you have – how much pace you have up front, how technical your team is, what types of risk you can take and whether your players are ready to take those risks.

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.football.london/arsenal-fc/news/mikel-arteta-arsenal-manager-news-14657522.amp

  14. Pedro

    I don’t see the point in arguing over Arteta. It’s over.

    Marko is saying that you can’t go from number 2 to number 1.

    Un is saying you can.

    No one can be sure either way.

    Think the initial point that if this were a free season for the new manager, you’d take a risk on someone who could do something special.

    We didn’t, we opted for a Europa League specialist transition guy.

    Now we’re hunting down his partner in crime.

  15. Marko

    Do you have to know what a coaches ideas are for AFC to hire him? Don’t think they received the memo.

    If that’s your only argument for hiring a rookie then yes you do otherwise you have nothing and you’re projecting onto the individual.

    In all seriousness I’ve read about him having a similar attacking philosophy to pep. Possession based. And that his ideas impressed the arsenal board more than emery’s

    Yeah right. So whereas with Arteta it would have been a case of take me at my word while with Emery there’s actual tape and evidence of a style/philosophy. My god what a mistake we made

  16. Un na naai

    Don’t forest

    Arteta came through La Masia where he will undoubtedly have the Barca DNA imprinted on him
    Then Wenger ball and like it or lump it there is a lot to learn from a legend like Wenger then to Pep himself at man city

    He will have also picked up mid table pragmatism at Everton under moyes

  17. Pedro

    Denis Suarez deal looking like it’s getting closer.

    Wonder what loan deal two will look like.

    James R dropping 6 months of Andrey magic?

  18. Un na naai

    Marlo

    So Solskjaer and Zidane and pep weren’t rookies?
    They were managing at afc Wimbledon levels before being given jobs bigger than ours. Hardly proven quality or seasoned professionals

    They were rookies. Don’t tell me that two seasons at molde or the Spanish 2nd division is preparation for the big time any more than the tutelage attest has been privy to.

  19. Pedro

    CA, he’d be a galactico signing in my opinion. Very suited to our situation right now.

    I have two slight concerns:

    Is he a technical director?
    Are there concerns about him being a little to close to the manager?

    But… as for down and dirty achievements, you can’t argue with a hire like that.

  20. Un na naai

    Yeah right. So whereas with Arteta it would have been a case of take me at my word while with Emery there’s actual tape and evidence of a style/philosophy. My god what a mistake we made

    Marko

    No. Have you ever had a job interview?
    He’d obviously have to talk them through his ideas and game plan. If everybody played it safe then untied would have hired the next middle of the road candidate but they’ve taken a chance on a rookie and it’s so far been a massive pay off

    Worth a shot. What did we have to lose?
    We were already the 6th best according to you

  21. Un na naai

    Pedro

    I’d love Hamez but it’s not going to happen if we bring in Suarez. Not with Ramsey Özil and Mkhitaryan waiting in the wings. Surely?

  22. gambon

    Have to say, I still really do not understand the Suarez signing.

    It really just looks like a signing for signings sake.

  23. Marko

    Think the initial point that if this were a free season for the new manager, you’d take a risk on someone who could do something special.

    So you’d be more inclined to not look at sacking or undermining the manager if he was less experienced is that it? Because either way it’s a free season the only difference I can see is you’re willing to suffer through someone you like over someone you don’t. There’s nothing to suggest that Arteta for example would have us in a different/better position. Nothing. And the argument of yeah but after that he may have been something special is ridiculous too considering that you’re willing to give this current manager just 6 months and one window. Whoever took over was going to need time and money regardless. Only with Emery it’s no compared to Arteta’s give him time

  24. Left testicle

    Cesc Appeal
    January 22, 2019 15:49:15
    Hold on, Pedro, are you on board with Monchi? Because you were wanking all over him in years gone by.
    ………………….

    Pedro,
    It doesn’t matter how attractive London is, if you keep doing that they ain’t going to come.

  25. Marko

    Arteta came through La Masia where he will undoubtedly have the Barca DNA imprinted on him
    Then Wenger ball and like it or lump it there is a lot to learn from a legend like Wenger then to Pep himself at man city He will have also picked up mid table pragmatism at Everton under moyes

    So Henry as manager then…or Vieira…or how about Clarence Seedorf. Amazing player played for some of the all time great managers and has experience managing.

  26. Cesc Appeal

    Pedro

    I don’t think that is a concern.

    I don’t mind a bit of closeness with Sanllehi, Monchi and Emery. Trying to drive the same vision. I’m gutted we’ve lost Mislintat but we can’t have conflict over transfer decisions every time his ideas aren’t accepted.

    It could obviously be bad if they are all getting it wrong but I rather doubt that. This isn’t Wenger having unitary command while being stuck in 1999 and being afraid to buy or sell.

    These are people not afraid of moving and shaking in the transfer market. Monchi has worked with some very tight restrictions, Sanllehi has worked as DoF at one of the biggest clubs on the planet and I still think Emery is a very competent manager. If the football looks like this next season, especially if Monchi arrives and we see 3-4 really good signings then fair enough. But the conclusive kind of criticism is way too far, especially when you look over at Sarri who many preferred to Emery.

    I’d be very excited.

  27. Marko

    They were rookies. Don’t tell me that two seasons at molde or the Spanish 2nd division is preparation for the big time any more than the tutelage attest has been privy to.

    Yes it absolutely is. Actually managing a football club like Molde and managing a team in the second division in Spain is more beneficial than being one of many assistants that Pep has. He’s actually got more than two years experience at Molde too

  28. Un na naai

    Marko

    Yes. Id take vieira as I’ve been more impressed with him that Henry.
    What’s wrong with that? He could be our pep/Zidane. As could arteta.
    You never know. Maybe emery might get us into the top 4 but you can’t seriously be backing his because you think he’s an inspired choice, it’s because he’s the antithesis to wenger.

    Maybe it’s a bit like when you break up and you go for the polar opposite to the ex. Some sort of ptsd

  29. Pedro

    Yeah CA, hard to disagree there.

    I’d imagine the idea that he can come to Arsenal and not have to sell his best players every year would be exciting.

    This is the next level up for him in every way. His chance to build a super club, versus sustain a Europa club in the CL every season.

  30. Marko

    Worth a shot. What did we have to lose?
    We were already the 6th best according to you

    We could have slipped further. What did we have to lose… worst case scenario for this season is still Europa League football with Arteta because he’s so unknown it could have been worse

  31. TheBoyCornelius

    gambon January 22, 2019 15:56:49
    Have to say, I still really do not understand the Suarez sign

    My take on it is that he can potentially play in 3 positions. In the wide forward positions, i think hes a smarter player than Iwobi. In the position Ramsey played against Chelski. Or in a midfield 3 nest to Xhaka & Torreira

    Whether he has the ability to cut it in the premier league for us is another thing – but that is why the initial loan i suppose?

  32. Un na naai

    Marko

    I don’t agree. I don’t think sending arteta to a nobody team for a couple of years experience would guarantee any more benefit than just taking the arsenal hot seat.

    It’s his ideas and philosophy and kinetic energy that would catch my eye.

    But let me flip one of your go to arguments then marko. Why were there not other clubs knocking down the door for Solskjaer? He’d done well at molde.

    So was he hired on the basis of his experience or his ideas? If it were his experience and that is worthy of taking over Manchester u-fucking-nited (only Real Madrid are bigger) then why were there not other clubs knocking at his door?

    If it’s his ideas and passion and energy that impressed then arteta would surely deserve a shout on a similar basis?

  33. Marko

    Maybe emery might get us into the top 4 but you can’t seriously be backing his because you think he’s an inspired choice, it’s because he’s the antithesis to wenger.

    I’m not backing anyone I’m backing common sense over ridiculous expectations. I don’t care who actually manages the club as long as there’s signs of improvement and an exciting future. To get these things the new manager will need time and investment not one window and 6 months. I don’t care who manages us but for Arteta I don’t want him anywhere near the club. Such a basic player who should have never played for us and who for some reason is thought of so highly as to be our manager? Fuck that.

  34. Un na naai

    Marko

    We could have slipped further. What did we have to lose… worst case scenario for this season is still Europa League football with Arteta because he’s so unknown it could have been worse

    But marko. We have £120m to spend this summer. You say non stop that it’s olayers not tactics that win you games. Well if arteta was hired and given top talent like vandijk and Salah and Mane to work with then surely we wouldn’t slip? There’s a big jump between us and the evertons and wolves of the league currently in terms of real financial clout, prestige and pulling power.

    But let’s say we did slip
    Didn’t do chelsea and Liverpool any harm? They just got in the new guy and now look at Liverpool. Chelsea went to 6th then won the league
    They went to 10th then won the league.

  35. Un na naai

    Such a basic player who should have never played for us and who for some reason is thought of so highly as to be our manager? Fuck that.

    Marko

    Don’t remember Fergie, Wenger or Jose setting the world alight as players. Didn’t hold them back. 3 greatest prem managers of all time
    Or emery for that matter

  36. Leedsgunner

    Pleased to see the club trying to hire Mochi. I’ve been following him for a while, his track record is comparable to Sven’s plus he has a proven track record with Emery.

    Back when Emery was hired I said Monchi should be part of the set up. You can all thank me later when he becomes our new Technical Director.

  37. Marko

    It’s his ideas and philosophy and kinetic energy that would catch my eye.

    Kinetic energy now. Guy was incredibly slow as a player comes across as a boring person and now sits down on the Man City bench and you talk about kinetic energy. What an incredible stretch that is.

    Why were there not other clubs knocking down the door for Solskjaer? He’d done well at molde.

    How come Arteta is still an assistant? How many jobs were available last summer? Not one mention of Arteta. Nice hired Vieira Monaco hired Henry and Huddersfield just hired Dortmund’s under 23 coach as their new manager. Why not Mikel? Why is he only good enough for the Arsenal job? That’s really strange to me

  38. jwl

    We need to find next young version of Monchi because original Monchi is old and will likely regress to the mean now. I have no idea who it is but we need young person who knows his onions and is keen to come to England and prove his worth in toughest football league in world.

  39. Un na naai

    Marko

    I’ve also read that city are grooming him as the successor to pep at city. If they are willing to give him the best job in the country then he can’t be that bad can he?

  40. Pedro

    Marko, your assessment of talent is truly appalling.

    Being slow as a player has no bearing on the style of football you’d play. Safe to say, whatever he brings to the table is going to be exciting. He made the final two for Arsenal, why the fuck would he go to Huddersfield? Just to satisfy Marko who thinks he’s a fraud?

    Please

  41. Un na naai

    Marko
    Could ask you the same question

    Why was nobody else offering jobs to Solskjaer? If he was so impressive as to get the untied job after his Time at molde then surely others would have been in for him. Or was it his ideas and footballing philosophy and energy that got him the United job?

  42. Marko

    Monchi is also a big part of those Sevilla gems coming through back in the day. Jesus Navas, Reyes, Capel and Ramos. Even the last few years at Roma he’s brought in Kluivert and Under and Gerson. Bought Salah for 15 million and sold him for 40 million. Rudiger for 15 sold for 35 million. Very shrewd stuff. Even Schick who’s struggling this season was brought in for about 15 million and I’d be shocked if he’s not sold on for a profit eventually. Emerson was bought for 2 million and sold for 20 million to Chelsea the following season.

  43. HighburyLegend

    “Have to say, I still really do not understand the Suarez sign”

    Yeah sure, it would be so much better to have 0 player coming in this month.

  44. Marko

    Marko, your assessment of talent is truly appalling. Being slow as a player has no bearing on the style of football you’d play.

    I didn’t say that it did but if an argument being put forward is that he’d bring frenetic energy then where’s an example of that? He was a slow player and now he sits on a bench… where’s the frenetic energy? Like with everything else about Arteta it’s all hypothetical.

    Safe to say, whatever he brings to the table is going to be exciting.

    Wishful thinking that

    He made the final two for Arsenal, why the fuck would he go to Huddersfield?

    Why would he be good enough for the Arsenal job and no other job? He doesn’t have to impress me at all he never will and it’s not about that. Is he good enough for the Arsenal job? It seems like not. And it doesn’t seem like he’s good enough for a lot of other jobs either. Which makes the incessant argument about Arteta all the more silly

  45. Receding Hairline

    Which makes the incessant argument about Arteta all the more silly

    In all honesty people only mention Arteta to get a rise out of you Marko

    Cesc Appeal has stopped biting a while back

    You and i have to learn to as well and his name will stop appearing here.

  46. Leedsgunner

    As an emergency RB until the end of the season would anyone take Bacary on a short term contract?

    Physically I reckon he probably still has it more so that Lichtsteiner. I appreciate he was brought in a free and he offers much in terms of leadership and experience but the fella has no pace left anymore to play as an effective full back.

    If not I would give Vontae Daley-Campbell a run out as AMN’s understudy. It will be a big step up but remember Bellerin was brought in under similar circumstances.

  47. Receding Hairline

    As an emergency RB until the end of the season would anyone take Bacary on a short term contract?

    Nope

    Saw him during his six month spell at Benevento ..he is over the hill just like Stephan. Having one of them is a mistake, having both is a sin

  48. Champagne charlie

    “Think the initial point that if this were a free season for the new manager, you’d take a risk on someone who could do something special.We didn’t, we opted for a Europa League specialist transition guy.“

    Exactly. Didn’t think that was a difficult one to digest, apparently so.

  49. Pedro

    Mustafi at right-back wouldn’t be a bad option. Not sure why that’s overlooked? Didn’t he play there for Germany?

  50. Marko

    Bring in that RB Emerson we’re tracking from Atletico Minero. They’ll have to search behind the couch for something because we need a RB honestly. Leaving it up to AMN or god forbid Lichtsteiner and Jenkinson is asking for trouble

  51. Receding Hairline

    Mustafi at right-back wouldn’t be a bad option. Not sure why that’s overlooked? Didn’t he play there for Germany?

    Yes ..would actually play Mustafi at right back and Stephan at center back. As a right back in the EPL Stephan won’t cut it at all and his crossing is as bad as anything Mustafi would offer …i use Stephan cos i can’t be bothered to misspell his last name

  52. azed

    “Mustafi at right-back wouldn’t be a bad option. Not sure why that’s overlooked?’

    Mustafi is always one sliding tackle away from putting us in trouble. The less error prone players we have on the pitch especially in defence, the better for us.

  53. gambon

    “Gambon has not told us what exactly he has against Denis Suarez”]

    Erm, I have told you lots and lots of times.

    He averages 3.8 goals per season as an attacking midfielder.

    His best ever LaLiga season was 4 goals and 4 assists at Villareal. 4 goals and 4 assists in 33 games.

    His best ever season, he averaged 3.7 combined shots, key passes and dribbles. Which is less than Iwobi and Mykhitaryan have ever managed.

    Shouldnt we be buying players that are better than what we have? Not worse. The last thing we need is squad players.

    We already have squad players, the problem is theyre playing in the first team.

  54. Leedsgunner

    This Suárez deal has the smell of Kimmy Kallstrom all over it. Bringing in someone so that we can say we strengthened.

    I rather that we brought in a CB or a LB or an out and out scoring winger capable of playing on either wing.

    I don’t know why we should be doing Barcelona any favours by giving their cast offs an outlet.

  55. Marko

    Exactly. Didn’t think that was a difficult one to digest, apparently so.

    Not at all just think it’s a bit myopic and silly

  56. Marko

    Busy searching for new players…….

    Danny neither Emery or the squad going paintballing has anything to do with signings

  57. Leedsgunner

    If we want a CM why not give W.illock more game time see how he does? If we are as cash strapped as it is being made out to be we should be using the existing resources more.

  58. Marko

    Suarez while I don’t like the signing does technically speaking improve the squad. Because Ozil is MIA Iwobi’s average and Smith Rowe and Saka aren’t ready yet. I personally can get behind it as a short term solution if it means it doesn’t stop us from potentially signing Pepe or Lozano in the summer. They weren’t joining this month

  59. Danny

    Marko
    January 22, 2019 17:14:19
    ———————-
    You’re right but It was the first thing I thought of when I saw the picture!

  60. mysticleaves

    “Losing Hazard will be an issue, spending £90-100 Million of the fee on Pulisic and Higuain is no that great at all.”

    Of which fee? Chelsea will be extremely lucky to get over 60m for Hazard. By 2019 summer he would have one season left.

    As for Monchi, I would love him to come over to Arsenal but I think Raul S already has his job. He’s more DoF that works with CEO/owner than TD that works under a DoF.

  61. mysticleaves

    Un na

    To wade in on the Arteta issue a bit, the quotes from his interview you posted, if they were real, were the reason he didnt get the job. He talked about taking the initiative, not minding the opposition, speed and technicality with possession etc etc.

    To achieve that you need to have the best squad and lots of money to get them together. We simply don’t have that. The club went with someone that understood he would have to work with what he has and slowly change the team 70m-100m by 70m-100m

  62. Emiratesstroller

    Pedro

    I do not understand those who post on here and suggest that coaches and assistants cannot become managers.

    There have been many examples of coaches becoming managers such as Malcolm Allison who worked for several years under Joe Mercer.

    Some might argue that Mourinho followed a similar route working under Brian Robson.

    The job at Arsenal came probably two years too early for Arteta. He had been
    working at the time just one season under Guardiola and in hindsight I think
    that taking over at Arsenal considering the state of squad, management changes and finances it was probably the right decision at the time.

    However, I am quite sure that Arteta will become in due course a Manager of
    a top team and I for one would not be disappointed if it was not at Arsenal.

    When you analyse the makeup of top Managers they are in general ex footballers who do not make it to the top of the tree as players.

    Players like Adams, Vieira, Bergkamp and Henry at Arsenal and Giggs, Neville
    and Keane at Man Utd all have gone into management but failed or not exactly
    impressed.

  63. Carts

    Monchi would be a massive signing for us. What we’ve lacked in recent years is a visionary. Sven-gate concludes next months, and frankly, for what it’s worth, it will be remembered as somewhat underwhelming.

    In terms of how the operational structure at Arenal will play into convincing Monchi to sign will be interesting to see.

    One thing for certain is that we’d have a healthy bank balance, he’d be well compensated and he’d be lving and working in London.

  64. Carts

    Thoghts on why Arsenal don’t look to the south Slavic counties (croatia, Serbia, Montenegro) unless it’s due to work permit difficulties then what’s up?

    There have been some talented players come ot of those leagues in the past 5-8 years

    -Jovetic
    -Savic
    -Milinkovic-Savic
    -Pjanic
    -Ljacic
    -Modric
    -Perisic

    You get the pictureic (LOL). Granted couple of players haven’t gone on to amount to much, but these players were picked up at a reasonable price, and have had relatively good sell on value.

  65. Dissenter

    Pedro
    Aren’t you concerned that Emery is about to grab the club for himself?
    I ask because you were running the narrative of a Raul-Emery power grab when Mislintat’s exit made the rounds.

  66. Marko

    Aren’t you concerned that Emery is about to grab the club for himself?

    Ridiculous thinking really but the kind of hysterical thinking you’d expect around here. Hasn’t been more than 4 years at any club but is going to get his claws firmly stuck into Arsenal for the long term. Yeah no I just don’t see it. Doesn’t sign the players but is grabbing control of the club and having a say over who his boss will be

  67. Pedro

    Dissenter,

    There has to be an element of concern that there’s a powerplay at hand here.

    People look out for themselves. Moving on Sven works for Raul and Emery.

    That said, I don’t think there’s a better person than Monchi in the market for Arsenal. So you have to suck it up.

    Graver concern is we don’t have a powerful CEO who would oversee power distribution.

  68. Pedro

    Marko, hysterical reaction from you.

    He literally said the other day that Arsenal is different because they allow you to think about the long term and you don’t have to worry about results.

  69. DaleDaGooner

    I’m just pointing out that you’re constantly looking for some niggly girly little spat on here. You never relate well with anyone, ever unless it’s to commend someone for a like minded bitchy comment. Every single day you’re on here butting into other people’s debates and looking to vent your anger and frustration on anyone who disagrees with you.

    THIS

  70. Dissenter

    I don’t like the idea of buddies running the club
    I’m going to agree with Charlie George for one fleeting moment; enough of the Spaniards 🙂

  71. DaleDaGooner

    Pedro, I’d think Josh is probably acting in the capacity of the CEO, i could be wrong….not that he holds the title, but I am sure he had to weigh in the Sven situation.

  72. Marko

    Pedro I would suggest worrying about a power play by a manager post Arsene Wenger at Arsenal is hysterical yes. It’s ludicrous really. That kind of scaremongering does nothing but help a certain agenda honestly. Post Wenger we no longer have an all controlling powerful manager with his hand controlling everything. Emery isn’t behind Sven going and he isn’t behind Monchi potentially coming in and he’s not behind the signings

  73. Bamford10

    Leeds

    “This Suárez deal has the smell of Kimmy Kallstrom all over it. ”

    This is just dumb. Suarez is a young talent who just can’t get into the Barca XI, an XI that Coutinho is struggling to get into.

    Kallstrom was a crocked, over-the-hill mediocrity signed from some nothing Swedish team.

    The two have nothing in common.

  74. DaleDaGooner

    Pedro
    January 22, 2019 18:38:52
    Dale, does that fill you with anything outside dread?

    Absolutely Pedro! God help us!

  75. DaleDaGooner

    Kallstrom was a crocked, over-the-hill mediocrity signed from some nothing Swedish team.The two have nothing in common.

    Absolute rubbish, Kim is a bangable bird, who’s video got many men wish they were Ray J….oh i just read Kim Kallstrom…nevermind

  76. DaleDaGooner

    Kallstrom was signed from Moscow, not some Swedish team…at least get your facts right, he played 3 wonderful games….

  77. Dissenter

    “Sources have also told The Independent that Emery has been consulted over the search for a new technical director, and naturally named his former colleague, backing any pursuit.

    Arsenal want to complete the search as quickly as possible, as they continue to reshape the club after the departure of Arsene Wenger.”

    Bad day for the Emery out brigade.
    Emery’s contact list is already paying off

  78. Leedsgunner

    Bamford

    You’re a clever fellow, try to see the nub of my argument rather than just sniping at the details in order to come across as a know it all.

    The point is we shouldn’t be signing someone just for the sake of it. We should only be signing players who are better than we already have… especially when we are saying we have no money to spend.

    As gambon has already said, we have enough squad players… we don’t need anymore.

  79. Dissenter

    Pedro
    Do you know much about this Francis Cagigao guy.
    He’s been touted for the chief scout role and recruitment role, essentially the Mislintat role.
    Mislintat didn’t impress the Arsenal people, that’s why they let him go,

  80. Marko

    Kallstrom was a crocked, over-the-hill mediocrity signed from some nothing Swedish team.

    Spartak or Locomotive Moscow actually

  81. Marko

    Bad day for the Emery out brigade.
    Emery’s contact list is already paying off

    Consulted doesn’t equal power grab. Irrespective of the manager Monchi should have been a serious candidate for the position

  82. Charlie George

    How the new regime think its wise to spend scare resources on Suarez ( a player who has managed a paltry 3 goals in his Barca career – when we have so many options in midfield fail me?

    Surely – if the new regime are fit for any purpose. They have to get a right back,!

    Its unacceptable to expect AMN to play wing back for the rest of the season.
    He did that first game of the season ( left wing back -against Man City)- and duly got a bad injury.

    Its no surprise- he has been bereft of confidence on his return

    Under Emery this season- two of our best young talents have suffered very serious injuries, Both times – the coach has to burden the blame.

    Playing Holding 3 games in 6 days( middle game needlessly played in the Ukraine)

    Bellerin ( had been out for 8 games before the Chelsea match)- should have been subbed at half time. We were 2=0 up , after all

    this nonsense – was prevalent under Wenger s latter years-its actually even worse, now.

    Do other clubs get these damaged cruciates on this scale?
    Or are we always unlucky?

  83. Marc Vandoolaeghe

    Pedro

    On the matter of football managers and their impact on the success of teams in the “big five”leagues, read this week’s Economist (Graphic Detail p. 89). Interesting insights, which intuitively make sense.
    With apologies if this was discussed earlier ( I do not read all comments).

  84. Bamford10

    Emirates, Pedro

    Except that no one here has ever said that. Every manager has to be a first-year manager at some point. The question is whether you want the manager taking over the Arsenal job to be a first-year manager. Most people here think that would be unwise; a few people — you and a couple of others — think Arteta is/was so promising that it would’ve made sense to hire him, even if he had never actually managed before.

    Fine. To each his own.

    What is annoying to me is the certainty with which some of you talk about Arteta, as though you know he will be a great and exciting manager. The truth is that you have no idea what he will be like as a manager; neither does Pep, neither even does Arteta himself.

    You can have all the tactical nous in the world — who knows if Arteta even has this? who knows if he has more than Emery? — but no one knows if you will make a good manager until you actually begin managing, until you begin trying to apply what is in your mind to real players in three dimensions.

    Just because you have a good football mind doesn’t mean you will make a great manager.

    Arteta could be excellent in his first year; he could be average for a few years and then be excellent; he could also fail everywhere he goes.

    No one can say.

    Given that our near-term aim is to finish fourth or win the EL, Emery was both a “safe” choice and a smart choice.

    Maybe Arteta has upside that Emery doesn’t — who can say? — but choosing him would have come with real risks, and I’m not sure why we would take those risks given our situation and needs.

  85. Charlie George

    As for Emerys involvement in choosing the Tech Director.
    Never the wisest of moves..

    Didnt Wenger annoint Gazidas?

    We are desperate for an experienced hard headed CEO- to avoid the same trap.

    Arsenal ( the biggest ) worst club run club in Europe,

  86. Freddie Ljungberg

    Don’t see the fuss about the Suarez signing, I mean we’re going for a loan with an option to buy, if he works out we buy him for around 15m if not we don’t, in the meantime we have someone with qualities no one else in the team has and that the manager trusts. No brainer really.

    With Ozil not trusted, Mikhi injured and inconsistent and Ramsey leaving it makes sense to bring someone in that can play Cam and on the wings and can actually dribble.

    If we can get rid of Elneny he can take his place in the squad if he’s not good enough to start. Still an upgrade.

  87. Bamford10

    Leeds

    Just because gambon thinks Suarez looks a squad player doesn’t make it so. And we’re not signing him simply to sign someone. And your Kallstrom comparison was nonsense. Choose better analogies.

  88. Charlie George

    Fred L

    Valid points
    But If he can not cut it there – with Courtinio to his left: messi to his right: dembele and Louis Suarez down the middle on the carpet at the nou camp playing Hercules et al – how the hell is going to cut it here on rainy night at Watford…..?

    a gratuitous signing to further entrench The Spanish Coup of Arsenal!

    page 1 in management.

    Don’t buy players that are not as the ones you already have.
    – if you do- you will GO BACKWARDS!

  89. Freddie Ljungberg

    There’s also talk that Ramsey will be allowed to leave for 10m if we get Suarez and one more in on loan, we need all the money we can get so wouldn’t mind that at all. Maybe we can scrounge together enough dosh to get a RB in? Like Max Aaron or Emerson.

  90. Freddie Ljungberg

    CG

    Coutinho is also not getting that much playing time at Barca, they’re levels above us so if someone doesn’t get into one of the best midfields in the world doesn’t mean they don’t improve us. It’s also a fucking loan since apparently Wenger pissed away all our money on shite players like Xhaka and Mustafi and ridiculous wages on players that doesn’t deserve them so what do you expect exactly?

  91. Charlie George

    Fred
    once again, a fair point,
    Well lets not make the same mistakes again and again.( Xhaka?Mustafi)

    We do not need midfielders. ( take Coutinio on loan or no one)
    Lets keep our powder dry.
    Promote a youngster if necessary.

    have Barca got a right back we can borrow?

  92. Charlie George

    I have no idea- why we have a youth policy?
    Might as well be scrapped.

    Croatia have 3.5 million people and can get to world cup finals.
    they produce brilliant players year on year.

    there is 8 million people in London alone!
    We cant find a right back, a coach, DOF a CEO., even an owner from that Great City,
    What an earth is wrong with us,?
    Lets harness the talent in London.
    Lets be the biggest club in London and stop this total obsession every one else can do it better than us.

    We are the club of Chapman/Whittaker/Graham/Wenger.
    never forget these roots!

  93. Freddie Ljungberg

    Xhaka and Mustafi cost 35m each, Suarez is on loan! I just explained why we could use a midfielder with his qualities…

    Sure, they’re going to loan us a player they just paid 140m for, smh…

    The closest we have that can fill the same role is Emile Smith Rowe and he’s nowhere near ready to start in the PL, try to be a bit realistic for once.

  94. Freddie Ljungberg

    Producing youth players takes time, and our youth programme was badly run for the last couple of years.

    You also have to get lucky with players coming through with the right talent and application, it’s not all about coaching, the quality has to be there to be coached as well. We are also limited in our uptake area of players and are competing with many other clubs in London, it’s not like we can take on all the 10 year old in the city and then weed them out over time…

  95. Charlie George

    fred

    why do we want people on loan?
    Millwall get players on loan..

    We promote internally. ( willock/AMN/rowe smith)

    Stop this transient , nomadic nonsense.

    You might get a goalkeeper on loan, granted,

    I actually think – if we did a spurs and not buy anyone – we would ultimately make more progress!

  96. Freddie Ljungberg

    Why do we want players on loan? Because Wenger pissed away all the money and we don’t have any youths ready to step up, haven’t I already explained this?

    I’m just going to assume you’ve gone senile or you’re just to dense to understand common sense. This is pointless

  97. Charlie George

    i am a firm believer that in 2019 – every kid that has made it at a top club is ultimately good enough to play at that level- with the right encouragement, nurturing, coaching, mentoring and motivation.

    eg Frank Lampard.

  98. Marko

    I actually think – if we did a spurs and not buy anyone – we would ultimately make more progress!

    Major difference in the two squads but sure why not

  99. Un na naai

    To be honest I make emery right

    I wouldn’t be too happy with Mislintat’s signings
    He obviously oversaw the Mkhitaryan and aubameyang signings
    And Leno sokratis and Lichtsteiner.

    Makes sense emery isn’t happy. He’s got a squad of newly signed players who he doesn’t like and there’s no money left

  100. gambon

    Bamford

    “This is just dumb. Suarez is a young talent who just can’t get into the Barca XI, an XI that Coutinho is struggling to get into.”

    Suarez is 25, that is not by any means young in footballing terms.

  101. englandsbest

    The people running Arsenal have been a pretty useless bunch ever since DD left. Apart from him, the BoD were no-nothing, care-nothing dilettantes. Yes, one committed man can make all the difference.

    For sure there’s nobody of that ilk in BoD because there is no longer a BoD, it’s a one-man show now – Stan. Certainly he has the power to make a significant difference – and I am not just talking about money.

    All this focus on Sven makes me want to laugh. The Club is wildly overstaffed. How much work did he put in? An hour a day, mostly on the blower? Dein did everything that Sven, Raul and a dozen others did, and then some, and far better.

    The Club needs a spring clean, a clear-out of the rubbish. A stick and carrot approach based on performance. Right now the only guy who appears to be working flat out is Emery.

    The remedy is to get rid of everybody who is not willing and eager to put his back into it, player or staff. There are plenty of people who will around, but why would they bother when there are even more getting well-paid for doing sweet f. a.

  102. Charlie George

    Gambon
    25 years old.

    7 goals in his career.

    Makes you wonder – whose side Raul is on?
    Barca’s or Arsenals?

    does he intend to retun there one day?

  103. Carts

    This Suarez shite has really annoyed, and I was very annoyed when we traded Sanchez for Mhk.

    This potential signing definitely has an air of *signing for the sake of it*

  104. Charlie George

    Carte

    Great eaxmple. “Miki”

    hairbrained , half though out, short term signing if there was ever one.

    With Miki ( and i like the player) we solved A Man Utd problem

    We are doing it now again with Barca

    Do we ever learn?

  105. Carts

    CG

    of course we don’t – as you said, we’re literally solving other team’s problems.

    Why are we not looking at prospect from Slavic countries or South America?

    Or better yet, unless there’s good reason (data lead, maybe) to suggest keeping that powder dry till the summer.

    Barcelona know what’s up: they’re adding a compulsry purchase option cos like most italian sides, they’re scared we’ll send him back

  106. gambon

    I have no issue if its a loan with no obligation. We can effectively use Suarez for cover for 6 months.

    If there is an obligation, I think its dreadful business.

    Probably uses 20% of our summer budget for a role that should be filled by someone like Smith-Rowe.

    If we are serious about getting into the top 4, and if we’re in our third EL season, then we cant build a squad with the same quality as Man City, Liverpool etc.

    However, we can focus on making sure we have elements of the squad that matches the big teams, namely:

    – The spine of the team
    – The first team
    – The 18 man matchday squad

    We shouldnt be buying squad players until we have a great spine, great first XI and great 18 man squad.

    I feel Suarez wouldnt make the 18 man matchday squad of any of our rivals, when fully fit.

    Most of our first team isnt good enough to finish top 4, therefore we can add as many squad players as we want, and our quality doesnt change.

    We’re not struggling due to depth, we’re struggling due to quality.

  107. Graham62

    Charlie George

    Mkhitaryan was not a planned addition.

    Forced upon us, due to the ineptitude of Wenger & Gazidis Ltd.

  108. gambon

    Rumours the negotiations for Suarez have ended.

    Apparently due to Barca wanting an obligation to buy.

    As ive said all along, theyre trying to stitch us up. They know Suarez is a £5m player.

  109. Carts

    ‘I have no issue if its a loan with no obligation.

    We can effectively use Suarez for cover for 6 months. If there is an obligation, I think its dreadful business.

    Probably uses 20% of our summer budget for a role that should be filled by someone like Smith-Rowe.’

    Pretty much this.

    I see nothing from Suarez that tells me he’d be a better use of money that simply promoting ESM.

    Sorting out the spine has to be a priority. Redirecting necessary funds to Barcelona cast offs is fucking myopic.

  110. Charlie George

    carte

    South american players – always difficult -third party issues galore. They gravitateand prefer spain/italy anyway

    slavic countries players not bad shout -but my preference:
    British/French. (proven time and time again)
    OR
    how about no signings and promote internally?

    Even if some of the young players do come up short- what a stimulus for all the other young players and coaches that we are seriously looking at The Academy again.

    We just don’t want Spanish cronyism. We want whats best for Arsenal and not the new powerbreakers!

  111. Carts

    “Apparently due to Barca wanting an obligation to buy.”

    My God is good.

    @Gambon

    Would you say it’s essential that we reinforce the squad this month? Or keep the bread dry till the summer?

  112. gambon

    Carts

    1 – I dont think its possible to do much squad building in January
    2- I dont think we have any money until summer

    I would rather get through the season, and then make proper changes in the summer.

    The only exception I would make, is if we bring forward a purchase if its possible. Look at Monreal for example. We had planned to buy him in the summer, but injury meant we pulled it forward to january.

    Ive no issue with that. Something tells me Suarez was not that player, we were only interested because he was available.

    Not a good reason to buy a player.

  113. Carts

    CG

    “slavic countries players not bad shout -but my preference:
    British/French. (proven time and time again)
    OR
    how about no signings and promote internally?”

    British and French come with insane premiums now, and we don’t know how to spend properly now that the last wave of players have departed the french league. Ndombele and Auouar, not to mention Pele will go for north of 40m. We can afford at least one, but whether we’d fancy our chances is another story.

    As previously stated, we need to sort our scouting and start trying to get players much sooner – calculated risk.

    Tbf, after the Wellington debacle, and can see how steering clear of SA is sensible. However, the likes of Richarlison and Jesus’ are still out there.