The truth is out, Arsenal will part ways with Sven Mislintat after little over a year at the club. Le Grove broke the story yesterday afternoon. I’d done my due diligence and verified a story I was first told about last week (and again yesterday). The Arsenal journos all came with stories after, and it was clear the club was briefing against Sven, with some very connected journos insisting the decision wasn’t made yet with some saying there was discontent amongst the clubs established scouts (who did such a great job over the last 5 years). Proper recognition for the legitimacy of our story arrived from the well-connected Rapha Honigstein who dropped more detail a little later in the day (quashing rumours the Bayern story as a nonsense as well).
‘According to club sources, Sanllehi, the former director of football at Barcelona, favoured a recruitment policy based on his extensive network of contacts throughout Europe, while Mislintat had been tasked by Gazidis to follow the kind of analytical and stats-based approach that saw 19-year-old midfielder Matteo Guendouzi join from French second-division club Lorient and 22-year-old Uruguay international Lucas Torreira arrive from Sampdoria.’
David Ornstein ran a piece stating Arsenal refused to deny the #SVEXIT after the above piece.
The Mess
This mess stems from 9 months under weak King, Ivan Gazidis, an heir apparent who hid behind Wenger for 10 years. His short-lived tenure as defacto leader was always going to be a non-starter because he was driven by self-preservation and dodging anything that looked like accountability. He spent so long hiding from responsibility, he didn’t bother investing in a real vision for the new Arsenal.
To compound the meekness of his approach, he adopted a flat football decision-making structure designed to spread the risk of a bad decision making between three people (remember the ‘we all wrote a name on a piece of paper’ story). That structure appears to have created an unresolvable rift between Sven and Raul.
Ivan allowed two competing ideologies to duke it out in a winner takes all death match. When Ivan slinked out of Arsenal, the real fight for power ensued, and ultimately, Raul garroted the German when he was wearing football boots on a tiled floor (he had no chance). The man closest to Ivan is now metaphorically deceased.
Now it’s just two people at the club that matter. Raul, who is a down and dirty corporate hitman, along with Vinai, who is 37, and looks very much like he’s there to play nice. They say in business you should always have a good number two, so there’s someone to take the fall if things go to shit. Remember Zuck being accused of naivety for not letting Sheryl take the fall for his Russia woes?
The Ideologies
The idea that we’re parting ways with a Head of Recruitment who wanted to identify talent using stats and analytics, for Raul’s approach that sounds like it’s straight out of chapter one of ‘Arry’s Way: The Hammers Years’ is fucking baffling. Raul might be many things, but he’s no expert in the world of player recruitment. Leaning into a network of contacts (super agents) sounds very familiar to Manchester United’s approach of the last 6 years. That didn’t work out well for anyone, bar the fat cat agents. Main difference is their commercial revenues dwarfs ours, so they can afford that approach.
Is Raul the real deal or a chancer that built a reputation off a cushy job at a mega-club? Has he just cleared the way to enact some atrocious ideas on Arsenal, unchallenged? Looks that way. This feels like a huge power play. Barcelona is not Arsenal. We don’t have the money to be them. If the vision is to create a Barca light, it is doomed to failure. I would place money on Raul not lasting longer than 3 years.
The Mixed Bag of Sven
The next question is the reality of Sven and his mixed bag tenure. As Matt and I discussed on the podcast, there have been a lot of depressingly poor decisions that have cost us dearly over the last year. The new exec team all signed off on the Ozil deal, they all allowed the club to roll into the season with Aaron in the last year of his deal, they all signed off a pack of older exDortmund players that won’t provide long-term value, they all thought Emery’s presentation for the new Arsenal was charismatic and clear. Those decisions have cost us a budget this window, which considering the caliber of manager is probably not a bad thing. However, Sven is not guilt free here.
That said, he’s given us Mavrapanos, Torreira and Guendouzi. Those moves, without doubt, should have set the tone for our transfer strategy moving forward. You also don’t know what Ivan’s marching orders were. He could have asked Sven to bring in experience to save our season last January. The plan failed, but there’s merit to that thinking.
‘However, the German’s position has been further undermined by the club’s willingness to appoint a technical director, a move that would amount to a de-facto demotion.’
There’s also the technical position the club is trying to fill, which has apparently miffed Mislintat, as they’d sit above him in the pecking order. I can’t really sympathise here. If you’ve been tasked with coming to Arsenal to recruit players, expecting a promotion before you’ve served 2 years or proved anything, you’re behaving in an entitled manner. It does beg the question as to whether Sven saw Arsenal as a stepping stone, versus a long-term home?
What comes next?
Now we have the chance to reset, we can’t fuck up. I loved Edu as a player, he’s a dreamy looking chap as well. If he’s here to set the style of the team and make sure we’re the most advanced innovators in the world, great.
However, there’d best be a very good answer to: WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR FOOTBALL LATELY?
Give me actual achievements. We can’t be bringing in folk because they were once loved as players. Give me doers with a vision and the tools to be utterly ruthless about what they find. We cannot continue to support mediocrity at Arsenal. We cannot continue to hire people that are happiest surviving in the shadows. We need people that are willing to place smart strategic bets on taking the club forward.
There are lots of clubs we should be looking at as we hire for the two open positions.
Who has been unearthing gems at Porto, Benfica, Monaco, Toulouse, Udinese and maybe even Shakhtar? Find talent that has successful records in situations that relate to Arsenal. Those that are doing things that haven’t been done before, who have found markets no one else is raiding, who can bring a level of detail and analytics that’s never been seen before. We cannot accept a hire that’s merely reaching parity with others. We have to use this chance to breeze past the competition.
We need to make smart decisions soon, we cannot have Emery leading the summer squad rebuild. He is not qualified to do that job. Outside the big names, his hit rate at PSG was poor. He signed slow and ill-suited players, we can’t be having that again. We are better than Suarez, Banega, and Carrasco. Those are Everton signings. We also need someone who can assess performances and make a really good decision on the next manager when we need one. Tell me where to find the next Monchi!
The biggest worry about Arsenal moving forward is the lack of leadership and accountability. We’ve opted for the Houllier/Evans dual operation and it stinks. Stan should go out tomorrow and beg Bepe Marotta to come in and shape up Arsenal. Someone who understands how to manage a club of prestige, create a winning culture, work the markets hard, brand a club, create a purpose and a guiding philosophy we can all believe in. These things are hard to execute, they require big balls and charismatic leadership. But the right hires can make magic happen.
Raul has completed his takeover of Arsenal, he sits atop the iron throne, and it’s not clear that he has what it takes to move us forward. The current strategy on offer looks like he’s trying to create a Brazil-Iberia talent pool underpinned by a detailed ‘Mino Raiola says buy this guy’ scouting report. Fanciful at best, a slow motion 5-year car crash at worse.
Arsenal were in choppy waters already, now we’re betting our future on one man with no track record for turning clubs around. I am very, very worried. The boat is rocking and water is coming aboard. All we can do is wait and hope the bad weather blows over…
The deeper worry is this: a lot has gone to shit since Stan took us private. Coincidence, that something more insidious?
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Of course Peddy, I like you. Your manager picks are poor but that isn’t all there is to you, so yes, that’s why I’m here all the time. Well, not all the time, but you get my drift.
And I will continue doing what I am doing because I completely disagree what you are doing concerning Emery. That’s it really
Receding
Yeah, but you’re missing my point. I don’t doubt that it was Mislintat who said Aubameyang is the CF we should go for. My question is: who decided that we needed another CF in the first place? After all, we already had Lacazette. You are (seemingly) suggesting that Mislintat said: “we need another CF”. I don’t think that’s how the structure works. The manager makes that call. And if someone other than Wenger made that particular call, that’s likely because Wenger was a lame duck manager at that point.
“The odds are against Arsenal doing any better in PL this season”
The odds are against Arsenal becoming a great club again one day, period.
Rumours Edu has turned us down.
Looks like Dominic Raab to become new Technical Director.
Bamford
Who is that someone cos i have a feeling it’s not Wenger
He was more than happy keeping Giroud and Lacazette and watching Sanchez in the “ideal” situation of running down his deal and leaving for nothing, so who made the call??
To be brutally honest, I am underwhelmed by Emery’s inability to make us defend better. This has gone on since this season. He has only increased the work rate of most of our players. Defense is mainly about organisation , some talent, but loosing so many away matches the way we have show that someone has not been organizing the players properlt around defending. Could it be Steve Bould? Ultimately, Emery is accountable. On Sven, his main recruitment was Lucas and Mavroponous. The others are to be honest average. We went for Sokratis fir £18m when tgat money could have… Read more »
Bamford
I would imagine everyone at the club was fearful of losing Sanchez’ goal output, hence Auba.
Lacazette was very average in his first 6 months.
Signing Auba was the right decision. Its questionable whether keeping lacazette was.
Rumours Edu has turned us down.
lmao, for real ? The only ones not deserting this sinking ship are the fans. God bless their tiny hearts.
“In also the most competitive EPL season of all time where at least the top 2 teams have a genuine shot of winning the UCL.“
Would make sense if we played them every weekend, but the league is still full of promoted clubs and middle of the table fodder as with every season. Worse defence than in any Wenger season is not a track you want to be headed down when in your maiden season, and having stated you’re in the job to improve defensively
Pedro calling you out on your repeated jibes on Emery has nothing to do with not liking your blog or your work. You have stopped short of calling a manager of more than a decade a fraud and an upstart for reasons best known to you and you reserve the right to do so.
I read your blog daily, you are a good writer and very witty, and i wouldn’t keep reading your blog daily for years if i did not appreciate the job you are doing.
https://www.skysports.com/unaiemery
“But at Arsenal, it’s maybe the first time I feel that I have the support to build up from the bottom in order to get where we want to be.”
“The idea is to get Arsenal back to where the club deserves to be, but it needs time.”
lolZ ??
Wenger back as technical director, let’s make this shit a soap opera to extract the remotest bit of entertainment
Pedro The problem is we waited so long to change we’re basically the Titanic with its arse already in the air and now we’re asking for crew to get the thing to New York still. I think the fans will quickly turn, and nastily so as well if things don’t improve. That’s why I like the media pressure. There’s no way Sanllehi and the rest don’t feel that, a person who is that much a clever worker will be very savvy to the media and fan feeling. If the fans turn nasty and stay away etc Kroenke will ask why… Read more »
Pedro:”raptora, now you’re scrambling to justify zero improvements in the setup despite £70m expenditure. Life comes at you hard, bro” We spent 3x less than Pool on a GK – 67m for Alisson, 22m for Leno. We spent 5x less than Pool on a CB – 70m Van Dijk, 14m Sokratis. We spent 2x less than Pool on a midfielder – 54m Keita, 27m Torreira. We spent 6x less than Pool on another MF – 40m Fabinho, 7m Guendouzi. We spent 3.3x times less than Pool for these players – 231m to 70m. As you’ve seen by the EPL standings,… Read more »
raptora
Klopp and Pochettino got their teams into the top 4 with £0 net spend.
Emery has already spent £70m.
“‘ARSENAL CANNOT AFFORD CARRASCO'”
lol sure the futur looks very bright.
Pedro – another bewitching piece of work, I thank you for your continued contribution: ‘We are better than Suarez, Banega, and Carrasco. Those are Everton signings’ Sigusdsson, Walcott,Richardson – defintley trumps the 3 stodgy non – descripts you have mentioned. These are not Everton signings or even Watford type ones These are signings of A club completely aimless And on the Road to nowhere. You say -you don’t think Raul will last 3 seasons I can not see him lasting 3 months. Is there another major club in Europe – with a more unsutable management structure than us? Gazidas gone… Read more »
When are people going to get it? We are done as a professional sporting entity. We exist in a never never land of weirdness…we would be stranger things if you know what I mean.
So many people called this years ago. So many! Arsenal are fucking up business 101. They are screwing football 101.
Arsenal are dialling this in. The players are dialling it in. The fans are once again, apathetic. This blog is split once again.
Fuck this stupid ‘club’??? Business?? Sideshow?
Ps. Just gone full blown. That’s for you Gambon.
People have to understand that this is not Emery’s team. Just how it wasn’t Klopp’s team a few years back. Just how it wasn’t Pep’s team although he had 80% of the pieces already there, he still managed to spend a country’s budget on new players. We bought pretty cheap players in the summer and straight away they become our best players in their positions. It shows Wenger’s big money buys for what they are – extremely expensive flops. As things stand our core is still Xhaka, still Mustafi, still Monreal, still Ozil. And the players that have joined are… Read more »
Gambon,
You mean the team with Coutinho, Firmino and Mane in attack? Compare this to Iwobi and Ozil.
Poch has done well but I’d be interested to know what would have happened if he didn’t fluke on Kane being a top class striker and trying to make do with Soldado, Llorente, Jensen or someone similar.
Pedro The Mislintat sacking is certainly significant. Maybe Edu will be better maybe he won’t, fuck knows. I have to say you’ve made a few wrong calls in the last few years. Hailing Gazidis as arsenal’s knight in shining in armour is one of them and praising his his new tripartite back room structure looks like another. The worst however is apparent when you write: ‘The deeper worry is this: a lot has gone to shit since Stan took us private.’ Now, I seem to remember you writing a pep talk style, motivational piece on how Stan having sole ownership… Read more »
What is really worrying for me, in a country where History is probably more revered than some science subjects, is how little we actually pay attention to the history. So our defensive isn’t holding up? Cool, but it was, originally. People could see it. It was working. And would it be the first time a team have tried the new managers way of working only to fall back on old habits after a while? It happened with Pep in his first season (which he wrote off as a ‘disaster’), it happened with Klopp (when the players struggled with his ideas.)… Read more »
“You mean the team with Coutinho, Firmino and Mane in attack? Compare this to Iwobi and Ozil.”
Klopp bought Mane, so youre wrong there.
Liverpool were 10th when he took over, so his squad was hardly amazing was it.
Raptora Mate. You are either the most optimistic motherfucker out there, or insane. Cash money is one thing but this is different. Clubs can spend £70m on a player and score. Clubs can spend £7m and score. Alternatively they can screw up at all prices. Shit happens. Players are human. We get it. But, and here’s the but…when a manager or scout or both go and sort a player or a whole defence, they better get it right. Especially as the last regime got it so wrong…but emery has somehow found another level below bilge water to paddle about in.… Read more »
Klopp and Pochettino got their teams into the top 4 with £0 net spend.Emery has already spent £70m.
Gambon, that’s a little sneaky!!
NET SPEND.
So they probably spent more than 70m, right? And had more time too. And you say Emery spent the money, but then somebody will come and say “Sven is the best, he bought……”
“And the players that have joined are cheap players. You expect them to be as good as the Pool players that joined for 3.3x times more money?!“
This is painful. How much did Coutinho cost Liverpool? Mahrez cost Leicester? Alli cost Spurs? Mane cost Southampton?
It’s about when in the curve you purchase a player that is ONE aspect that determines his value. Also, transfer fee isn’t indicative of a players quality every time, not even close.
I think i will just take a break today and read Raptora and Negation counter the “he has spent 70m and we are shit posts” today..that seems to be the only thing gambon has to say..they are doing a great job . “So this idea that because Emery hasn’t improved the defence in 6 months he’s never going to do it is hella weird. Not only are we not learning from the past, but thanks to the internet and cheap analysts, we are ready to point at success stories only AFTER they’ve become successful, forgetting that the teams in question… Read more »
Negation
How is it sneaky?
Klopp came in and was told he had to sell in order to buy. He did a brilliant job to get Liverpool in the top 4 without any net spend.
He had to sell players in order to buy.
Real world class players like Benteke, Sakho, Ibe and Joe fucking Allen.
Dont tell me Klopp had any advantage that Emery doesnt have.
Klopp would have been absolutely over the moon to have a £70m net spend in his first transfer window.
ArsenalTruth Follow @TruthArsenal A passionate defence of Emery Date Wednesday, January 16, 2019 at 12:58PM The response to the defeat at West Ham is an overreaction. Bad performance no doubt, but we have to accept that certain mid-table opposition are not as far away from us as we’d like to think. Sometimes, we have to be honest enough to look at the players on the pitch and forget about the Arsenal ‘brand’. While Arsenal should be competing much better against West Ham, pound for pound our players are little better than theirs. I’m not brushing off concerns. I accept there… Read more »
“Klopp bought Mane, so youre wrong there.” Didn’t say that he didn’t buy him. But Emery has so much holes to fill and we’re not even sure who decides what so you can’t just say that Klopp bought Mane. Liverpool got 60m out of Benteke, Ibe and Allen so you can’t say that he has spend nothing. He just had a better view on things than Emery, after you know PLAYING REAL GAMES in his new club. Jury will be out on Emery to see where he thinks that we should invest our Summer budget on. Then you can come… Read more »
I never got why people were so hyped up about Mislintat. We do not need young players nobody has heard of (à la Guendouzi & Dinos -> although I love them). He seems to be one of the best in the game but we are straight for the future: We HAVE a fantastic academy and Emery seems to be doing a great job integrating them (How many more young players you guys want? ESR, AMN, Iwobi, Saka, Bellerin (kinda)). So Mislintat is better suited for a Club like Bayern (who are adjusting to their NEW reality that they may go… Read more »
“in 2015/16 after he took them all the way in the beginning of October. Had 30 games in charge to move them from 10-th to 8-th”
Emery had a full pre-season, a dossier on every player, £70m spent, and 6 months with the players.
We’re no better than we were under a senile manager that had lost the dressing room.
Great progress.
Real world class players like Benteke, Sakho, Ibe and Joe fucking Allen.
Benteke sold 27m pounds Palace
Sakho 26m pounds to Palace
Ibe 15m pounds to Bournemouth
Joe allen 13m pounds to Stoke
Dont tell me Klopp had any advantage that Emery doesnt have.
Getting to sell your “shit” players for very nice transfer fees way back then is an advantage ..all you have provided is hypothetical fees for ours which no one has offered
“Mislintat was involved in all eight of the signings Arsenal have made since then, most notably the club-record acquisition of Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang for £56m in January 2018.”
“For example, the interest in Barcelona midfielder Denis Suarez is being driven by Sanllehi and Emery, while Mislintat has targets of his own, yet there has been limited progress across the board.”
We now know Emery didn’t waste 70M, and Dennis Suarez is from the Spanish Contingent and not just Emery.
@Red : I’ve already post the link, but thanks anyway.
@GoH : of course you’re right (as usual), Emery’s the only one to blame.
(lol)
“Liverpool got 60m out of Benteke, Ibe and Allen so you can’t say that he has spend nothing.”
So Klopp had to sacrifice numerous players in order to spend £70m,
Emery got to keep everyone AND spend £70m
Worrying that he cant improve us.
CC: “This is painful. How much did Coutinho cost Liverpool? Mahrez cost Leicester? Alli cost Spurs? Mane cost Southampton?” They are finds and a half but the fact itself that you remember them and you can name them straight away, speaks that it’s not the common thing – to buy a player for pocket change and the player to shape turn in to world class. Fact is that money buy quality. If you don’t think the same then Pep shouldn’t have bought Walker, Mendy and Mahrez for 150m pounds. He should have kept Iheanacho, bought Iwobi and Jenkinson for a… Read more »
HL I posted first 😉
I would reserve full judgement till the end of the season in regards to Emery. There’s an argument to suit every side of the coin.
So Klopp had to sacrifice numerous players in order to spend £70m,
You just mockingly called the players “world class” so how is selling them on for very respectable fees a sacrifice
Pretty sure Emery would have loved such a clear out and also an allowance to bring in his own players in the said “70m” spent rather than players recommended by a super scout who is already pissed off
Sorry couldn’t resist
“Klopp and Pochettino got their teams into the top 4 with £0 net spend.”
Not Emery’s fault that we have turds in the squad nobody will take.
Real world class players like Benteke, Sakho, Ibe and Joe fucking Allen. 1.) When Emery arrived, Ramsey was already in his last year. He hasn’t sold. anyone yet. Arsenal’s transfer woes cannot be put on Emery 2.) Klopp sold SEVEN players to balance out his first transfer market. He sold Benteke when Benteke wasn’t the Benteke we know now, and some just thought Klopp was being harsh with him. Which 7 players would you like Emery to sell? Which 7 players do you think would give Emery a net spend of £0 too? Unless of course you want to blame… Read more »
Why wait until the end of the season???
“Hi 999 fire brigade please…oh, yeah my house is ablaze…yup, burning nicely but hey, don’t come just yet…wait until everyone is dead and the house is ash…then pop on over”.
Emery is failing. Arsenal are failing.
Two choices. 1. Sack him. 2. Back him with hoardes of cash. That’s it.
gambon, you got them spins working for you alright. Not going to argue with you. Keep banging the change drum just for the sake of changing without giving time to anyone to prove if they are good or not. Not a surprise that Pedro retweets your stuff. Pedro loves himself the traffic of blockbuster negative titles. Just look at the one he has in the webpage’s address – “ruthless-raul-decapitates-sven-in-ruthless-coup”. I want progress as well but my feet are on the ground and try to see the reality for what it was. If you think that another manager would have gotten… Read more »
Emery got to keep everyone AND spend £70m
I like you too, Gambon. You seem to engage in debating for the sport of it. However, to compare Klopp ‘s situation at Liverpool with Emery’s at Arsenal based on a few well chosen stats is sneaky. It ignores the balance of the team,the value of each team, etc, but not only that, you are using Klopp’s SECOND season to go against Emery’s FIRST six months.
Why wait until the end of the season???
Ask City with Pep
Spurs with Poch
etc
etc
etc
Fire is tangible. Where you think Arsenal will end based on where they are now isn’t.
There is a term for this in philosophy that refers to the erroneous line of reasoning you are using
Failing on what basis Guns?
Two choices. 1. Sack him. 2. Back him with hoardes of cash. That’s it. In case you haven’t heard, we don’t have any cash to throw at emery. No other manager will touch arsenal. Only a fool would think we are any sort of dream job for an established coach. We will only get the likes of arteta and Howe (if we are lucky). Torreira and Gwen look like they could turn out to be 50 m players at the very least in the future so we made good use of the money we had. Leno is young and if… Read more »
Emery could easily, EASILY have raised £70m to go with his £70m budget. He said Ramsey was one of his captains, and central to his plans, then decided he didnt like him a few months later. Thats £40m wasted there. So lets loo at Klopps first sales, and compare to our squad: – Benteke sold for £28m, Lacazette would sell for far far more (it was Emerys decision to try and play Auba as a winger, despite him being a very average winger and a world class CF) – Ibe sold for £15m. Arsenal could easily have got £20m for… Read more »
What I can say with certainty is , this season has to be a write off unless we go on another winning run. No way we can beat Chelsea this weekend. Doesn’t mean it all falls on emery. Hell any manager coming in this summer would have a huge task on their hands. Sadly the unbeaten run raised too much expectations from a certain crowd. Top4 is still a possibility but could be a bit out of our reach. I am however excited about our EL run.
I don’t get on the bandwagon that Emery “decided” not to sell anyone. It’s a massive error by the whole management of the club to keep players like Elneny, Chambers, Jenkinson. Then we got to the expensive flops that just had to be cleared out one by one starting from Summer 2018 in Xhaka and Mustafi. Then we go to the vampire sucking cash CAMs in Ozil and Mkhitaryan that Emery has 0 fault for and couldn’t get rid of even if he wanted because they had just signed their deals. Then we reach the out of contract players in… Read more »
gambon: “Emery could easily, EASILY have raised £70m to go with his £70m budget.”
This is what I’m talking about.
We’ve changed the club to limit the manager’s say on transfers. Similar to Chelsea and Manure where you hear the managers moaning about not getting what they want.
But you still think that it was Emery’s decision to not sell anyone. Wake up.
Now you can go on all you like about whatever bollocks justification for our lack of progress you are trying to use, but Klopp had £70m less to spend than Emery in his first transfer window, and got Liverpool 4th in his first full season.
Yes they finished fourth a point ahead of Arsenal( Same Arsenal you had stopped watching back then and was on exile because we were not meeting your lofty standards)…Their fourth place finish was confirmed on the last day of the season not January …last time i checked the premier league season has not ended
Your critique should be towards Gazidis – since he was in charge back then; and Raul. Maybe there are more people with power.
Not Emery. He has a say but he doesn’t decide anything. Mou couldn’t make Manure do what he wants. Conte couldn’t with Chelsea AFTER winning them a title. It’s common practice. But you think that it’s in Emery’s hands. Your choice.
It was t Klopp’s first transfer window. And while I agree he could have sold Laca, are you really telling me some fans wouldn’t have gone mad with that decision?? Klopp sold benteke after being at the club for 8months, it wasn’t immediate. And once again stop talking about what Klopp did in his second season. If you don’t like the sound of second season, say after he’d been there for a year. I get that this comparison stuff works for people who don’t care about mechanics of the language or the process of logic, but understand that not everyone… Read more »
gambon were those Liverpool sales before klopp’s first buy as Liverpool manager?
I actually don’t think Chelsea are unbeatable
“And while I agree he could have sold Laca, are you really telling me some fans wouldn’t have gone mad with that decision?? ”
So now Emery is making decisions based on fan popularity.
What a manager.
Fact remains that if Emery really had a 2million page dossier on each player, he would have known that some need to be sold to increase the budget.
And I say again, Emery had £70m more to spend in his first window, than Klopp did in his first 4 windows.
No excuses if Emery cant improve this team.
mystic
They were the players he sold in his first summer transfer window.
He had a £0 budget, so he sold off a number of players to raise some money.
Left side
Chelsea may be bad but we have a knack for shootings ourselves in the foot. Not to mention after that west ham snooze fest, don’t see how the players are up for it.
“I get that this comparison stuff works for people who don’t care about mechanics of the language or the process of logic, but understand that not everyone will let the cheap tricks pass” Voila Negation. Gambon can spin, twist and turn as much as he wants. Logical people with one molecule of brain know whats up. Klopp had 30 league games to see who’s good and who’s not. See how he goes about Chelsea who haven’t improved a tiny bit in their performances and if Manure were any good, top 4 dream would have been dead already. Let alone title… Read more »
And I also like to point out that Klopp has had control of transfers at Liverpool from day 1. Now he has TOTAL control. He’s probably the last of a dying breed of managers.
When Wenger went off the rails, I seem to remember that Gazidis was a bit of a hero for some posters… Now, he’s the devil. 😉
Comparing Klopp and Emery is actually quite laughable.
Klopp . The brilliant ,charismatic , physically imposing, English speaking A rated coach
Emery: The mediocre, colourless, non descript, unimposing, non English speaking C rated coach..
Klopp coukd manage any club on the planet.
This is the biggest club Emery will ever get.
And I say again, Emery had £70m more to spend in his first window, than Klopp did in his first 4 windows. Why are you so afraid to compare Klopp’s first 6 months with Emery’s first 6 months? If you think it isn’t fair because Klopp started in October, fair enough, but then the attempt to compare both managers has to stop there. Whatever Klopp did in his first 4 windows is irrelevant to me because 1.) Emery has only had 2, or is in his second one now 2.) They didn’t have the same players, and the market isn’t… Read more »
“They were the players he sold in his first summer transfer window.” That’s after 8 months and 30 odd matches, enough to form an opinion of who to be sold and who to keep. Emery by comparison had 2 months and like no competitive matches to make a decision. pre season games are a joke. all about fitness and not actually quality. Liverpool were also 10th when Klopp took over. The management knew at that point top4 was a pipe dream. Klopp worked without pressure. Emery started the season with us and was tasked with top4 immediately. Klopp and Emery… Read more »
Charlie George,
Emery European trophies – 3
Klopp European trophies – 0
I’ll see myself out.
“Why are you so afraid to compare Klopp’s first 6 months with Emery’s first 6 months?”
Klopps first 6 months contained no expenditure, no pre-season.
Emerys first 6 months was £70m spent, and a full pre-season with few players at the WC.
Theres a comparison.
mystic,
Nothing more to add. Couldn’t agree more. Perfectly put.
So anyone care to explain what happened to brexit ¿
Getting voted no means, there will be no deal when Britain leaves the EU or is Britain not leaving the EU ???
It was nice debating with you Gambon. I’ll see myself out.
“Klopp coukd manage any club on the planet.”
Yet the biggest club he has managed till date is Liverpool. ha! Arsenal bigger or equal or Liverpool. Atleast wait till Klopp manage man utd or Real Madrid.
Gambon
Ranieri won the league in his first season at Leicester, what’s Klopp excuse?
Why did Klopp wait till the summer to sell players? He could have sold them in January if he knew what he was doing…
Gazidis was never “a hero”
A despicable slimeball.
Charlie George,Emery European trophies – 3Klopp European trophies – 0I’ll see myself out.
In one of those finals the bland C rated manager came from a goal down to wipe the floor with the charismatic one who has gone ahead to lose a couple more finals since then
This is the biggest club Emery will ever get.
He literally just left a club that can drop 200m on a player to one saying they can only afford loans
“Why did Klopp wait till the summer to sell players? He could have sold them in January if he knew what he was doing…”
Yes, so many clubs making huge changes in January arent there.
Raptora
Emery 3 Europa league!
That tournament is for amateurs
Played by also rans
He is the best also ran coach in the world!
Proper coaches don’t win that
(They are competing in the Champions League.)
Klopp 2 bundelsliga.
1 champions league final
Europa league football is not football
It’s anti football
It should be scrapped.
It’s a tournament for the Elenenys to excel in!
Garbage!
azed,
Very valid points. Fully agreed.
“Klopp 2 bundelsliga.
1 champions league final”
2 CL finals.
All of a sudden a preseason is the best thing that could happen to a manager …fascinating insight
In a preseason you are playing against teams fielding their youths and doing tours in other continents,,,,of course its very easy to judge players based on such ultra competitive environments
Wonder why Klopp didnt win the league and could only manage fourth by a point after his first full preseason
“Klopp and Pochettino got their teams into the top 4 with £0 net spend. Emery has already spent £70m” That’s because they had sellable assets, all very convenient. Net spend is not the manager’s remit, building a competitive team is. Net spend is absolute bollocks. What really surprises me is that we’ve had over 10 years of extreme average and you’re expecting Emery to come in and after only 6months turn this group of average into world beaters. It was never going to be that easy and as for no discerning style, what were you expecting? We’re still relying on… Read more »
Hasn’t Klopp lost his last 6 successive finals?
Erm Pedro, better pray hard Pep wins the EPL this season. If not your “Emery finished second in a one horse race” line will now have proper retort. Ha!
Rh
‘This is the biggest club Emery will ever get.He literally just left a club that can drop 200m on a player to one saying they can only afford loans’
PSG – sacked him. !!
He is a Seville/ Valencia/ Socirdad standard coach.
Spanish David Moyes.
Competent, steady pair of hands- DOUR!
“Yes, so many clubs making huge changes in January arent there.”
Selling 3 players is not huge.
Club’s should be measured on net spend – it gives an indication of their financial strength.
Manager’s should be measured on gross spend – it’s a measure of the resources they’ve had to buy players.
It doesn’t matter if Klopp has lost 6 finals, because he’s got his teeth done, wears a stupid caps runs around like an idiot and speaks good english is good enough isn’t it.
CG
I am sure you know Klopp has been sacked at every club he has been in? Mainz and Dortmund come to mind
Official Arsenal Twitter
“We are freezing our prices on all general admission and club level tickets next season”
Distraction technique at play
It’s not as if we had the chance to employ Pep or Zidane or whoever the hell people like these days. We heard about Allegri, Emery, Luis and Arteta. Then we didn’t hear about Allegri anymore.
Emery was the best we could get and the reality of that is lost on a lot of people. It’s easy to think, “we could have tried our luck with Arteta”, but do you really think a fanbase as toxic as ours would have said “Well, the most important thing is that we were bold” if Arteta was a disaster??? Haha, yeah right.
“Hasn’t Klopp lost his last 6 successive finals?”
Marc
Better to lose six than be “bland” –Pedro, Gambon
“That’s because they had sellable assets, all very convenient. Net spend is not the manager’s remit, building a competitive team is.”
If you honestly think Arsena dont have better payers than Benteke, Ibe, Allen and Skrtel you are more fucking stupid than I thought.
So far you can say that we could have been more aggressive with the sells in the summer to raise additional funds for transfers and defensively we have been woeful. Too many mistakes, we haven’t been helped by an injury crisis at the back and the simple fact that most of the players we have back there aren’t good enough. On the plus side of things, our attack has improved. We have scored more goals than at this stage last season and this season more than every side aside from Man City and Spurs. We have a better win percentage… Read more »
Pochettino was an ex-Espanyol & Southampton manager before Spurs.
See, people talk like they are insightful, but they are really sheep. They all can see great managers only after Robbie Savage and Jamie Redknapp have pointed them out.
gambon,
If you think that Emery pulls the strings at the Arsenal you are more fucking deluded than I thought.
LS
Failing as in ‘doing worse than his predecessor’. That’s simple, dude. Emery’s remit surely was to do better than Arsene…if that wasn’t it, why sack Wenger? Emery is doing a worse job with arguably better players than Arsene did!!!
That by any stretch of the imagine would be ‘doing worse’. Or failing.
If you honestly think Arsena dont have better payers than Benteke, Ibe, Allen and Skrtel you are more fucking stupid than I thought.
Wondered how long before the first insult from the big man….Klopp this, Klopp that…Liverpool didn’t get to this stage in six months, the only one displaying signs of silliness is you
“What really surprises me is that we’ve had over 10 years of extreme average and you’re expecting Emery to come in and after only 6months turn this group of average into world beaters.”
What the fuck is this mess.
Weve been top 4 8 out of the last 10 seasons.
We were 2nd 3 seasons ago.
We have had CL football 20 of the last 21 seasons.
Emery had it nowhere near as hard as Klopp did when he joined Liverpool. You are literally making things up to suit an agenda.
“If you honestly think Arsena dont have better payers than Benteke, Ibe, Allen and Skrtel you are more fucking stupid than I thought.”
Klopp finished 8th with that bunch, Emery is 5th……..
Emery out. Someone else in. Balls out.
Pizazz needed. Calling a hero.