Ivan the terrible keeps on giving – Ramsey ducks with HUGE win

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It’s not often I’ll concede and take a fat L, but today, I must.

Aaron Ramsey’s agent has only gone and done it. £140k a week NET fam… which works out at around £280k a week GROSS. That’s good cash. Baldwin, you’re the British Raiola, and we’re proud to have you raping the game for all it’s worth.

Well played.

As for Aaron, it’s over. The much-loved Welshman is ducking out with a huge win. He’s going to one of the most prestigious clubs in the world, he’s playing for a top 3 manager, and he gets to live in Turin.

God speed.

This goes down as one of the worst episodes in a long line of Game of Thrones like transfer catastrophes. Arsenal could have tied Rambo, Ozil and Sanchez down to longterm deals 4 years ago after we’d just beaten Villa in the FA Cup final. We dithered, wouldn’t pay out wages that outstripped Wenger, and the rest is history. We let one go for £35m, lost one on a free, and stuffed ourselves with the one that cared the least for £350k a week.

What a disaster.

It was the right decision though. A Europa League team cannot keep on dishing out £150k+ a week deals. We’ve made a total hash of those sort of contracts already. Ozil, Lacazette and Mikhi spend most of their time on the bench. Aaron is a good player, but I don’t believe in him as £300k a week player. If he’d been Pep trained from 20, sure, but he’s been schooled in the woods for 8 years. I also don’t think we can afford that sort of luxury anymore. We need Torreira players. £25m in fee and £65k a week in salary.

The big fear that I have now is how we get out of this absolute mess.

Our wage bill is fucked, we have no saleable assets, our youth players are good but there are no Cesc’s bubbling up, we have an ageing defence and most importantly… there’s no fucking money to pull ourselves out of the problem. Oh, and we also fucked our managerial appointment.

The pain is real.

We’ll have to unfuck ourselves first, then we’ll have to reset, then we’ll have to pray for diamond eyes to come good.

It very much looks like we’re going to be out in the wilderness for a long time.

Such a shame we spent the banter years hoarding money, buying shit players for big money, as well as sheltering an utterly dross coaching staff.

Anyway, needed to get that out my system.

Onto more positive tones tomorrow.

Listen to the damn podcast.

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raptora

First!

Boomslang

Here

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Opps!

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Tro4hy!

raptora

Posting comments too quickly fudge out of here

Georgio

I bet when Ramsey walks into training and takes a look at Emery, he will be like ..”yeah, take that you sucker! Whose laughing now?”

Leftsidesanch

All ended well for Rambo in the end eh? Good luck to him

mysticleaves

Good luck to Ramsey, the decision was in the best interest of all parties involved. As for our wage bill, I think a lot is been made out of it that’s not exactly true. We don’t have an oversized wage bill except you all see as as a Europa League team. We have the 4th/5th biggest wage bill which is per the course. If we are aiming to compete for leagues in the near future dramatic reduction will work against us because the best players demand the biggest wages. Spuds stars, for example, are looking to jump ship or are… Read more »

HighburyLegend

“to unfuck ourselves”

Didn’t know this expression, funny one!! lol

Once again, thanks again to Arsène Wenger for left us in such a shitty mess.

raptora

Gutted to see Ramsey go. As I said, I believe that this is the right decision. But it’s the consequence of the Wenger/Gazidis cuck up we had witnessed for years, getting absolutely ugly and just plain stupid and brainless. Not too long ago they would have been beaten up by the masses for their massive fuck ups, send to court, get pelted with tomatoes and publicly humiliated. We are talking about a fuck up that’s been going on for a decade, but the apogee of their grand, royal fuck ups, were the summer and winter of the 2017/18 season when… Read more »

HighburyLegend

I think we were all wishing Ramsey staying and Ozil leaving.

But it would have been to beautiful to be true.

Leedsgunner

So in 2018, Stan Kronke stumps up a mountain of cash to buy up Usmanov’s share and take sole control of Arsenal AFC. Then almost on cue, as the transfer window approaches the club starts putting out reports that the club has no money for transfers. Wenger was undoubtedly part of the problem, but in reality he was a lightning rod… someone for people to focus their ire and frustration whilst Kronke sat on his hands. He is the real problem. Until he goes, Arsenal will not join the elite level that we were promised, despite spending £500m on a… Read more »

Dream10

So the VAR official who judged Harry Kane onside did not have access to the telling camera angle showing striker ‘offside’

raptora

RH: “Sami Khedira, Matuidi, Emre Can, Ramsey. Midfielders who moved to Juventus on a free and the clubs they left were better for it. Trust me no one on that list will be at Juve if they weren’t free. ”

One would think why wasn’t Ozil picked up by the Old Lady in the same fortuitous way? Oh, wait. He wanted to stay at the Arsenal. Complete joke.

Victorious

Why are we not looking to pinch a good little player off juve though?

Pjanic? Bentacur? Fvck sake we’re dire defensively and they have someone struggling to make their match day squad in Rugani who we could absolutely do with

Our negotiating team is wank though, always has their asses handed to them by other clubs

mysticleaves

raptora, this was always Ramsey’s end game. He was given too much at too little. Any other increment on what he was earning currently wouldn’t have been value for money. I guess the current management realised that.

Another thing is that he had become too familiar with the surroundings and was merely coasting. I don’t know man I just wish him best of luck

Leedsgunner

“We will only hope to catch up if we scout top young talent quicker, bring in savvy free transfers, and keep our best players fitter for longer and bring them back from injury quicker.”

Along with this list I should have added to developing our talent… ESR, W.illock, Nketiah, Saka and Reiss Nelson is a good core. We need to complement these youngsters with smart experienced professionals so we can compete whie we wait for Kronke to tire of Arsenal and go.

Crabregas4

Ultimately it is in our interest that Ramsey has decided to leave. Even on his current wage he is not giving us value for money, if he was a starter all season it is not unlikely that his body would have broken down and he would be injured at the moment based on previous seasons. I agree I would rather keep him at his current wage and remove Ozil and Mkhitaryan but I would not offer him the wages he wanted. Aaron has always played for himself so they are all in the same bracket if I am honest. There… Read more »

David Smith

Dithered- a word often associated with this club.
Still no job for Wenger, suspect this mess will follow him.

Emiratesstroller

Pedro The solution to your question as to how we get of mess is competent management and patience. Arsenal are financially in a better situation than most other clubs in recent past who have got in a similar mess. 1. The club has completed all its infrastructure projects and the debt attached to them is winding down. 2. The club is still profitable in contrast to most other clubs who are consistently in debt. 3. There is no evidence sofar that Kroenke is saddling the club with heavy debt or financial obligations. 4. He is making an effort to professionalise… Read more »

salkino

Fucked up managerial appointment?

Come on Le Grove, there are clear signs we’re playing with more purpose and identity. Emery is slowly proving he’s maximising the potential from the squad we have, whether it’s enough for top4 is another question.

With our strike-force and an improved defensive display over the 2nd half of the season, we should displace Chelsea (as long as they don’t buy an elite striker in January).

Keep the faith.

Leedsgunner

The point made in the podcast is a valid one… what is the long term vision for this club?

BacaryisGod

I’m not as pessimistic as you Pedro, but you make some good points. I think most of us have a soft spot for Aaron but at least he’s out of harm’s way with Juventus. Here’s why I’m a little more hopeful. Let’s have a quick recap of the squad: GK: Cech’s healthy salary off the books next season. Maybe we can bring in a young, quality keeper to challenge Leno. Worst-case we bring Ospina as back-up for his final contract year but ideally we offload him. DF: Lichtsteiner’s inflated salary off the books next season. We’ll have three players coming… Read more »

englandsbest

A bad deal for Arsenal. a great deal for Ramsay and Juventus. They get a £50m player for nothing, he gets to join an elite club with the habit of winning things. I have always been a fan of Ramsay. In fact he is the only member of the Arsenal squad that I will truly miss. I might raise an eyebrow if, say, Aubermeyang goes, but that’s about all. Not for a second do I believe Emery wanted him to go, on the contrary I think he was desperate for him to stay. This was a decision made by the… Read more »

mysticleaves

David Smith

Stop waiting for Arsene Wenger to get a new job. He’s 68 this year. Not many coaches get a serious job or any at all at that age.

Bamford10

“the unfairly maligned Iwobi”

He’s not “unfairly maligned”. His quality and his improvement under Emery were overstated early on in the season; he is a hard-working squad player, nothing more.

englandsbest

Leedsgunner

Agree with every word. Kroenke was/is the major problem. Until he is gone, nothing good will happen at Arsenal.

This should be the major objective, to get rid of him. But it’s so much easier, now the old manager is gone, to shift the sights onto the new one.

Bamford10

Pedro

You’re right that we have some issues to deal with — inadequate squad, bloated wage bill, less cash on hand than we once had, few salable assets — but I think we are far from “fucked”.

Also, while Emery may not be the genius who will get us to the top of the table, he is precisely the type who can get us to a third or fourth place finish, so I don’t think we “fucked” the managerial appointment either. I get your frustration, though.

David Smith

Mystic, just intrigued how he was so definitive he would work this year

BacaryisGod

Ok, so an obvious question here. Ramsey signs a 5 year deal worth 36m to him. He’s set for life but only if he makes it unscathed until the end of the season. If I was him, I would be jumping over every tackle that came my way. I just can’t see how he can play full throttle at this point but massive credit to him so far, because he’s done exactly that when he’s played for us this season.

BacaryisGod

Actually, he should be set for life regardless. He’s been on around 5 million a year. Have to remember to keep things in perspective!

Bamford10

Englands Actually, the easiest (and laziest) thing to do is to blame the owner, even though none of the problems we face at the moment have much to do with said owner. He didn’t build our inadequate squad, he didn’t saddle us with bad contracts and a bloated wage bill, he didn’t spend our money poorly, he isn’t the one deciding who is good enough and who is not. If you think the owner is going to need to dip into his own pockets in order to get us out of the situation we’re in, fine, say that. But blaming… Read more »

BacaryisGod

Bamford-you nailed it. Hard-working squad player is just fine for me. Based on a lot of the comments on here, and even if he’s no more than what you described, he’s been unfairly maligned.

mysticleaves

I would say Iwobi has been unfairly maligned on here by some posters. He has been our best attacking midfielder by a long mile and his output as generally improved too. most of our better performances this season he was at the heart of them all.

And yet some stupid poster said we can’t get 15m for him. Name me a player of his profile (squad player) that is as good as he is in the pl

Emiratesstroller

Arsenal have made some serious transfer and contractural mistakes in the last few years. Nothing is going to redress that situation. By the end of the season much of the dross will have left the club. Okay we may be still saddled with Ozil problem for couple more years. What is more important is how Arsenal rebuild its squad and more importantly manage them. As I said the finances are not in bad shape and the commercial income has been rising and new contracts negotiated in last 12 months. I still think that our transfer budget is better than most… Read more »

Danny

For a player who returned from one of the worst injuries we’ve ever seen (Eduardo takes the crown), I for one am very happy for Ramsey and will miss him. That half season 2013-14 was one of the greatest displays by any of our players ever.
Don’t forget he snubbed Ferguson to join us!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izWpUQSNWH0

Leedsgunner

I’m not saying small changes aren’t possible with Kronke in place.

We might have little nuggets here and there but the club will be 4th place limbo as long as Kronke is in play.

Wenger and Gazidas left this club in a bad bad way… it’s going to take years for Emery and future managers to clean up.

Alone + Easy Target

Hello where are the signings?

Carts

So Ramsey is going to post up alongside Betancur and one other? What I will say is that Juventus aren’t short of numbers so if Ramsey thinks he’s going to play to his own tune, he’ll soon find himself benched alongside 10 other players on match day

Bob N16

Bamford, ‘He didn’t build our inadequate squad, he didn’t saddle us with bad contracts and a bloated wage bill, he didn’t spend our money poorly, he isn’t the one deciding who is good enough and who is not.’ To suggest an owner of a football club (10 years) takes no responsibility for the success of the business he owns is ridiculous. We all know that he is a ‘distant’ owner, who it would appear has been satisfied with the way his investment has been going, otherwise he would have surely implemented change earlier than he has done. I would assume… Read more »

Emiratesstroller

Bamford 10

I think that Kroenke made a serious error of judgment in staying loyal to both
Gazidis and Wenger and perhaps not understanding better what was going on
at the football club.

It is pretty clear now that the club’s football programme was in a complete mess at the end of their term at Arsenal.

The real question now is how Kroenke changes the culture for the better including better academy programme and recruitment. That is unlikely
to happen overnight.

Carts

Mystic

I think Iwobi is trash and wouldn’t care to see him leave. He’s not at the level required to make us more competitive

Rather take a chance on nelson or Smith-Rowe.

Bob N16

I like ‘hard working squad players’ if they’re not overpaid and can contribute in a meaningful way particularly if they’re homegrown (for more than one reason!).

I’d keep Iwobi unless somebody wants to splash a load of cash on him and we can use the money to upgrade. There are too many other players who we need to ship off before he should be shipped out.

raptora

Carts, We’ll see how it goes. But I get the feeling that you think he’s going to be a 2nd or even 3rd reserve in their midfield? Tell me one club that drops £280k a week for a squadie other than Arsenal and Ozil that is….. The notion that he is going to be like Hleb and Song at Barcelona, out of sorts playing with teammates much above him in quality.. I don’t see it. Juve don’t see it. They gonna pay his agent and Ramsey a hefty sign on fee as well. They see him as a coup. If… Read more »

Leedsgunner

The owner might not have responsibility for the day to day running of the club but he ultimately sanctions the funds (or the lack of funds in this case) which determines the long term vision for the club.

I cannot understand why this is controversial or even worth arguing.

If Kronke didn’t want Emery he wouldn’t have been hired. Does that mean he’s responsible for Emery’s mistakes on a day to day basis? No, but he is responsible for not backing him with the funds in the transfer market which impacts our results on the pitch…

gambon

I dont think we’re completely fucked, but it is going to take a lot of skill to get the squad to the standard of our rivals, and some tough decisions have to be taken. If you look at each area of the team, its obvious where almost all our issues lie. Goalkeeper Im not a hge fan of Leno, but he will be our number 1 for at least the next season. We have Cech leaving in the summer, unless he fancies 2 more years as back up on lower wages. We will sell Martinez, Ospina and Macey. Will probably… Read more »

gambon

Leeds

Theres been nothing wrong with the funding Stan has provided.

We are where we are due to incompetence, not lack of money.

Bamford10

BobN16

“To suggest an owner of a football club (10 years) takes no responsibility for the success …”

This is a straw-man argument. I didn’t suggest he has “no responsibility”; I said he is not responsible for the main problems we face, which I outlined.

Deal with the claims being made, not claims that are not being made.

Carts

Raptora

I’m not for one moment suggesting Ramsey’s fate will mirror So g or Hleb, quite the contrary, actually

He has the attributes to absolute pepper that league

My point was that Allegri is a touch coach who is scare to rotate, however, he’ll also stick with his core players – this is where Ramsey needs to focus towards

Juventus can sell Ramsey in 2 years for €20m and still almost be quids in

Paulinho

So much for Ramsey not getting a top club.

So much for him not getting anything like what he was demanding.

About 90% of the fan base took an L on this particular one.

Carts

*isnt scared

Carts

“About 90% of the fan base took an L on this particular one.”

Lol really?

Leedsgunner

gambon

I agree with you that Arsenal has been incompetent. This is what I don’t get. In the last few years under Wenger, the club used to trumpet the size of its ever growing cash reserve as it was a trophy.

It was often described as a “war chest” available to Wenger to spend. Where has that money gone? Last time I looked it was around £200m +. Did Wenger spend it all in his last years at Arsenal?

Jamie

Happy to nosh on some humble pie. Fair play to Ramsey and his agent. Tremendous move for him, great financial package, and to an elite club where he’s sure to finish his career with some top tier silverware. Ramsey was a great professional for us, I hope he does well at Juve, but I think he’s game is fraught with limitations. He was just about worth his £110k a week wages, but not a penny more (to us, at least). Professionalism does count massively though, in my view. Just look at the difference between his career trajectory and Wilshere’s, and… Read more »

gambon

I’m with Emirates

I think we will have a budget of about £100m net this summer.

The question is, would it be wise to use 2 years budget in one summer.

Spend £200m net, then nothing a year later. Or £150m with just £50m a year later.

Carts

People need to realise that the risk Juventus have taken is a lesser risk to what Arsenal were expected to take.

We are diabolical at recouping transfer fees. Juventus will simply take a view on Ramsey in 2 year, where he’ll be about 29.

If it’s all going pear, he’ll easily be back in the prem for £20m, mark my words

Jamie

Paulinho –

Just as I submit my last post, Paulinho shows up to gloat. It’s a touch unbecoming if you ask me.

Receding Hairline

“Our negotiating team is wank though, always has their asses handed to them by other clubs”

Arsenal did not negotiate with Juventus for Ramsey. He will be a free agent when he signs for them.

Buckagh

Pedro
How do you conclude that €140,000 a week is a net figure, not likely that any of the parties involved would publish a net figure, if indeed publish any details,

Carts

“Spend £200m net, then nothing a year later. Or £150m with just £50m a year later.”

Never thought I’d hear my self say this, but I’d opt for keeping some powder dry, as Emery will have a year left after this season and there’s no telling what might happen

Pierre

Strange how no one talks about the football on here .. The most important part of football is getting results on the pitch ..good results breed positivity throughout the club and fan base. An exceptional run in the next 5 games will see all of the negativity around the club evaporate and it also buys Emery time. We are at defining part of the season ,a defeat v West ham at the weekend will be a massive blow due to the fact that 3 of our next 4 games are v Chelsea, United and city… Will be interesting to see… Read more »

raptora

Last player that I was attached to is now confirmed to be leaving in the summer.

Since the DB, PV, TH and TA era, the players that I grew fond of were Cesc, RvP, Cazorla and Ramsey. All gone. At least we got Ozil and Mkhitaryan to enjoy. Sad life.

Dissenter

Kroenke’s problem has to do with his passiveness, a failure to supervise his minions and articulate a vision for the club. It has nothing to do with not spending on the club. He’s not an intrusive owner whose dig into the minutiae. I would be blaming him everyday if these mistakes came from Kroenke’s direct actions. We all know that they didn’t. I have to agree with Bamford. Kroenke has been an easy mark and a target of those seeking to make populist remarks. The blame is Gazidis and Wenger, they ran this club day to day…and failed rather badly.… Read more »

Carts

“Strange how no one talks about the football on here ..”

Eh…

gambon

Leeds Our bank balance will still be high, but for whatever reason the club want a bank balance as a buffer for not being in the CL. Sadly it was a self-fulfilling prophecy. Holding back cash in case of no CL football actually led to no CL football. The point is, the reason we dont have the quality of squad is serious mistakes in purchasing players, selling players and contract management. Imagine the difference, if we had done the following: – Sold Sanchez for £60m to Man City – Sold Ozil for £40m to whoever when he had 12m left… Read more »

Dissenter

We need to get Ramsey out this month.
It’s just common sense to assume that he will have to preserve himself for the mega pay day in the summer. No one can blame him for that.
It’s a high scale all-or-none stakes for him, if he gets injured now….he loses everything.

Leftsidesanch

Just ignore him

Paulinho

Jamie – Of course I am. It’s only football so if there is anything to gloat about it’s that, and you also made such a point of wondering/asking where he was going to end up (with the obvious belief it wasn’t going to be a top club/topwages). That was bit unbecoming.

Receding Hairline

Will be interesting to see which personnel and formation Emery chooses v West ham ….the wing back system is the favourite for me as it allows Kolasinac and Bellerin(if fit) to play to their strengths

I thought the wing back system injures our fullbacks and they should all hold their position to avoid injuries??

Jamie

Paulinho –

You guessed something right. Congratulations. Proud moment, I’m sure. 2 weeks ago he was off to Bayern. Swing and a miss, but no biggie. We all get things wrong.

Cheers.

Dissenter

Victorious doesn’t understand how these negotiations are done…,or so it seems.

We didn’t negotiate with Juve. It was Ramsey’s people and Juve.
Even if we did, we would have had zero leverage, like we didn’t have with United when we were forced to increase Mykhi’s Wages just to save face on Sanchez.

Jamie

Foreign clubs can approach any player’s representatives directly in the final 6 months of their contract and offer them pre-contract terms for the following summer. Nothing to do with the ‘selling’ club at that point, unless they make a bid for an immediate transfer.

Dissenter

Paulinho
No one is begrudging Ramsey at this point. All the best to him.
Let’s wait and see how he gets on there before we start chest thumping, shall we.
It’s an opportunity for Juve to make inroads into the English speaking world, more marketing that football.

Un na naai

Yeah we are shite
We are just an average side full to the brim of foreigners. Foreign owners. Foreign everything. The last links to the fans are bing allowed to leave for fee while we replace with shit or overpriced show ponies

RIP arsenal

Guns of Hackney

Let me break it down thusly: 1. Ramsay is garbage. Not the worst, but an average player who looked better than he was due to the terrible squad he was in. A 7/10 player all day long. 2. Our wage bill is astronomical when compared to what we deliver out on the field. We are not suggesting that our wage bill looks inflated because of the europa league…it just looks inflated! Because it is! 3. We haven’t produced a talent at arsenal since Cole. Fact. Our current bunch of yoots have not got far to aim. Jury’s out. 4. Anyone… Read more »

Bob N16

Semantics Bamford, Kroenke has to take considerable responsibility for the state the club’s in. It’s not all doom and gloom but under his ‘watch’ there has been poor mismanagement. Changes have now been implemented but we are still behind. This could be a slow improvement over a number of years or a quicker one if Kroenke sees the benefit of extra investment.

Pierre

I and one of 2 others on here were baffled from the off as to why we employed a manager who has a certain philosophy of playing , but is joining a club that doesn’t have the players for the manager to implement the philosophy and incredibly, the owner is not willing to release sufficient funds for the new manager to buy the players to implement his philosophy.

It makes it very difficult (nearly impossible) for Emery to succeed ….

raptora

Dissenter:”It’s an opportunity for Juve to make inroads into the English speaking world, more marketing that football.”

ROFLMAO?! REALLY?!?!

Come on mate…

Dissenter

Juventus have also taken a risk though.
They won’t make money on Ramsey’s deal with a 280k gross salary for 5 yers.
I think they intend to keep him. That salary is too big to move him out in two years and still make a profit.
They will find a role for him there, starter or not.

Paulinho

Jamie – Yeah what a guess I’ve made for the last few years, claiming he was a top player that would be well in demand from top clubs………….

Dissenter

Raptora
Did you think Juventus acquisition of Ronaldo made sense last summer?
Juventus are trying to double their commercial income over the next 4-5 years.
They are aggressive and taking risks everywhere.

Victorious

Receding you don’t think we should be getting something at least for Ramsey this window? He’s barely featured all season,not important to the team, wouldn’t make a difference to our too 4 hopes coz he hardly gets a look in and then allowed to walk for free with a huge sign on package He’s taken our negotiating team to the cleaners here,he’s played a blinder and put the club in a lose lose situation Why does our best players always end up winding their contract down and holding the club by the balls? Sanchez,ozil ,we should get something from wilshere… Read more »

Dissenter

Receding
I expect that we will have another defeat at Westham.
This may sound crazy but the difference in quality between the two squads isn’t that great anymore.
They dominated the first half earlier in the season and should have been 4-0 up at half time.

raptora

DIssenter,
So you don’t think that they bought the best ever performer in the UCL by a long mile to try and take that extra step to win the final that they’ve lately reached almost on the regular?

Micheal

“Semantics Bamford, Kroenke has to take considerable responsibility for the state the club’s in.” Correct. The level of misunderstanding or total refusal to accept reality by some posters on how business operates is beyond belief. As someone else wrote, it is not difficult to understand . Wenger and Gazidis, the architects of out recent failures, were employed by Kroenke. Not the other way round. Wenger and Gazidis were both appalling at their jobs and have left us in this current shocking state. But they were allowed to be appalling and to leave Arsenal in this shocking state because that cunt… Read more »

Pierre

Receding “I thought the wing back system injures our fullbacks and they should all hold their position to avoid injuries??” not quite …nice try ….. I have never had a problem with the wing back system and players like kolasinac and Bellerin playing so advanced as there is more protection behind with the 2 holding midfielders and 3 central defenders …this allows the wing backs to attack with impunity . My problem has always been and will always be Emery demanding too much from the full backs in a back 4 and asking too much of them …hence the catalogue… Read more »

Victorious

Even if we did, we would have had zero leverage, like we didn’t have with United when we were forced to increase Mykhi’s Wages just to save face on Sanchez.’

But still my point holds, doesn’t it

The club looks absolute losers in this situation anyway you care to slice it

Thought they were calling the shots when they pulled the deal,apparently not

Un na naai

Dissenter

Wouldn’t call Ramsey a commercial powerhouse
Might get the odd juve too being sold in Wales but outside of that I wouldn’t expect Ramsey joining to be anything other than footballing reasons
Wonder how he will get on with cristiano the cunt coaching and undermining him in Turin? Surely bale would have given him the heads up.
I would t want to play in any side that contained Ronaldo in it. Couldn’t tolerate his narcisstic bull shit.

Negation

I’m lost. Yes, I know Pedro holds up Leeds as our beacon of light to follow, but for the life of me I cannot understand what our fans want. Yesterday I read about how Klopp and Pochettino had mediocre first seasons. In Spurs case, they built their team player by player (with a chairman who saw the bigger picture) and now that they are doing well – surprise, surprise – everyone wishes they had a team like Spurs. Everyone can predict a successful situation after it’s happened. Meanwhile, we had a manager who bought players like he was playing a… Read more »

Jamie

Sounds good, Paulinho. I’m going to guess nice and early that you’ll be full of excuses (injuries, language barrier, culture, …) if he tanks at Juve over the next 24 months. Don’t stress about it, though. I won’t rub your nose in it if my coin-flip prediction comes true. The sort of sad irony is that I like Ramsey as a squad player. His demands were too high for what he offered on the pitch over the length of a season. That’s all. Now he’s with CR7 (although less than peak), he’ll do well. After all, CR7 made Ozil look… Read more »

Negation

Un Na naai

He’s going to be playing with one of the best players EVER, a player who demands success – I’m sure he’ll be okay.

Meanwhile, how’s Bale performing now that he has the chance to be the main superstar??

Leedsgunner

gambon “Imagine the difference, if we had done the following:– Sold Sanchez for £60m to Man City – Sold Ozil for £40m to whoever when he had 12m left – Sold Welbeck for £15m last summer – Sold Ramsey for £40m last summer – Not signed Lucas Perez for £17m – Sold Chambers for £20m when Palace bid for himThose decisions alone would mean we had £192m to spend right now, or more realistically we wouldve spent £192m on players in the last few windows.” Ouch… talk about a roll call of incompetence. If anyone is wondering why the top… Read more »

mysticleaves

Carts, you can think a lot of things but if ESR becomes as good and as dependable as Iwobi is to us then he will be called a success

Dissenter

Un na
You don’t think Ramsey is a commercial powerhouse?
Wait until he’s handled by a proper club marketing team.

Our marketing of players has also been skint. It’s like there are teenage girls managing the twitter account.
Juve have even gone as far as changing their famuous crest and club colors
They have an ambitious plan and Ramsey is a opportunistic part of it.

Victorious

Wouldn’t trust this current management team to negotiate their way out of a paper bag

The Suarez deal is taking forever

Dissenter

Leeds
‘If Kronke wants Champions League football, Raul, Sven and Emery needs to tell him that he needs to spend £200m+ revamping our defence and midfield now.’

Did Spuds spend £200 million?
You talk as is that’s the only way. We rolled the dice last January and it still didn’t work. There are no quick fixes I’m afraid.

Receding Hairline

Receding
I expect that we will have another defeat at Westham.

Well i dunno about being four goals up at halftime..we can’t keep counting every miss as potential goal.

I don’t expect a loss, yes West ham are always pumped up when the big boys come visiting but there are not as good a team as you keep making them out to be.

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