So here we are again, Mesut Ozil drops out of the Arsenal trip to Liverpool complaining of a pain in his knee.
Is it real? Could be. Is it made up? History would suggest that when Mesut thinks bad news is coming there’s often a reaction. Whatever it is, I’m not really surprised that we’re here talking about the mercurial German again.
It’s quite interesting watching a certain group of fans use this issue as something to pin on Emery as bad management.
I think fans need a reminder of what Mesut Ozil has been for Arsenal.
This is the most expensive player on our books by about £150k a week. I know people don’t like the fact I mention the figure, but that’s because it’s a baffling number when you consider his drawbacks. It doesn’t matter how you package money, in football, it should be related to what you consistently deliver to the team. ‘It’s not his fault he’s paid that much’ isn’t an argument I’m afraid.
Mesut needs perfect conditions to perform these days. Nice weather, preferably a little break before he plays, he’s no good away from home, doesn’t like to play bruisers or teams that drop a heavy press, and he also doesn’t like to have to muck in for the team, nor will he play out on the right.
We thought his issue before was having to play with Giroud, so Lacazette was going to unleash his creativity. Didn’t happen. Then we thought signing a striker with pace would help him. Didn’t happen. Then we thought it was Wenger, so we waited for the World Cup, where he tanked. Then we waited for Emery, and he once again tanked.
Not to get into the weirdness of him being given tough away days off by TWO Arsenal managers. Imagine that, being 30 years old, the highest paid player at the club, and you’re given tough games off because the manager thinks you’re lightweight? Embarrassing…
Anyone who thinks the Ozil situation under Emery is weird hasn’t been paying attention to what’s going on in football or on a personal level with the player. The game does not allow for passengers, especially when you’re a Europa League side trying to climb into the Champions League. Mesut is a passenger these days, he’s a quarterback who only wants to do what he wants to do. How does Emery have any other choice outside moving him on?
Can we beat Liverpool away in the Premier League? Likely not. Is taking Mesut there going to change things? Unlikely, he couldn’t make it past 45minutes against Brighton.
Be on the lookout for Arsenal fans using this to go at Unai Emery. The careful-what-you-wish-for contingent are stinging after their summer humiliation. They are softening fans up for questions over the manager because he’s taken all the bold decisions most people who have really been paying attention tend to agree with. Mesut Ozil has been a disaster signing for Arsenal and Emery is addressing that problem as we speak. That’s decisive, it’s bold and it’s the right decision.
If we’re going to beat Liverpool this afternoon, it’s going to be with a team of professionals dedicated to the cause. It’ll have to be a full-throttle performance from every single player. We are capable of such a game as you saw in our destruction of Spurs a few weeks ago, but even if we fail, we’re playing the Premier League leaders with two of our most talented player unavailable because of form or contract troubles.
Our defence looks ripe for destruction. I have no idea how Lichtsteiner and Koscielny are expected to survive an onslaught from the outrageous pace of the Liverpool side, outside a very deep block. In midfield, we don’t have much choice outside a bland offering of three defensive midfielders and up front, our hopes and prayers rest on Auba and Lacazette having an outrageously potent day at the office.
Liverpool’s unbeaten run can’t last forever, but I do think they’re too much for us to handle as a team today.
But, it is what it is, and I don’t think there’s any brand of Mesut Ozil that would help us through today.
Firmino just getting records and looking fantastic on the account of Arsenal ….what’s Laca gonna do now? play CB?
Oh shit!!! A 5-1 humiliation at anfield????
You said it wouldn’t happen under emery joe.
Beat by Chavs
Best by city
Destroyed by Liverpool
Bore draw with untied
Wasn’t DT I mean Gambon cheer leading Emery over the summer and how the board would be silly not to hire him… He is fairweather fatty our Gambon
Stop whining you bitches. Another correct decision. Two hands on the back and a clear push. He did the same thing against Burnley but got lucky then. Had it been in Liverpool’s box I’d be asking for the same.
Joe, you used to celebrate when Arsenal were losing under Wenger.
Sancho Every man and his dog knew that wasn’t enough to make the requisite moves. Let’s see if we react, but I have no faith in it do you? Dissenter No I don’t. But I’m sticking to my reservations I had since day one, Emery hasn’t won a title outside of a one-horse-oil-backed race. He’s a top 4 manager at best. He’s bringing a modern approach, but the approach itself isn’t on the same shelf as Klopp, Poch, Pep etc for me. A new manager, 5 new defensive players, and an equally poor defence. That’s damning. Couldn’t tell you what… Read more »
Different manager similar score lines the legacy of wenger and his poor decisions in the transfer market have come back to haunt us.
Why don’t we have son? Hazard on either wing? Salah or shaqiri
We missed out on so much talent
Palace hadn’t scored a home goal or picked up a home point all season….scored 2 against us.
Southampton hadn’t won a home game all season….beat us.
Brighton had lost 4 on the bounce….got a draw against us.
Firmino hadn’t scored at Anfield……hatrick
Liverpool hadn’t scored 4 by HT for 4 years….no problem.
IMPROVEMENT…..IMPROVEMENT….IMPROVEMENT
Until the yanks are out of our club nothing will change. Mediocre mid table franchise is what they specialise in
here we go again. Tippy tappy and no offense
Terri
Gambon is just a baby throwing out his toys
He doesn’t have a clue.
Don’t take anything he says seriously.
emery got found out today
Good game Auba. Looked sharp.
Ughh
This is tough to watch.
laca looks like- why
Gambon
Facts!
This emery is useless abeg. He should be sacked
Pedro
Wanted wenger out. After 12 years of garbage
It’s been 6 months. And one TW.
Xhaka there. jesus christ.
We need to batten the hatches
Games over … don’t concede anymore, 5-1 is calamitous enough .
Hope we don’t get a bad injury to rub the salt into our cankerous sore.
2 soft pens ….
What we are seeing today is the culmination of half a season of neglect by our manager regarding our defence….
Ozil and Lacazette have just increased their popularity with the Arsenal fan base by 100% and Emery has reduced his popularity by 100%….
Home to Fulham and then away to Blackpool ….2 games to try and get the season back on track.
The club should fine all players involved and manager a weeks wages for this and use it to reimburse the travelling fans
JOE
You know wenger will be enjoying this nearly as much as you….?
stagnant
Gotta say, this shouldn’t really be a surprise. Even with another summer, Emery isn’t moving us to the next level.
Still, hardly been given the squad to succeed here.
You need goals, you withdraw your best striker. Emery is not good enough. From Wenger to a worse Wenger.
Iwobi has had a good game.
Firmino had 4 goals in 19 games. Today he scores 3 vs us.
Once again Emery’s.decison to start PEA at the cost of Laca backfires.
The rebuilding needed at Arsenal won’t be easy, yet it will be expensive
We simply lack the personnel to go up against the likes of Liverpool
I tell you what though, I’ve no regrets about being satisfied with Emery. Yes he wasn’t anyone’s #1 choice, but considering it was either him or Arteta was enough for me to opt for Emery
Despite that, Emery needs a couple more transfer windows; but what doesn’t fill me with confidence is the idea that Banega is where he want to starts his second transfer window with..
pool attackers are always in place ready for the ball.
Us = we are totally scattered
Yeah, you’re right gambon, we should all give up, fuck off and watch Orient instead. Unless you’ve got a spare £150m down the back of your sofa to buy some defenders?
And no one enjoyed losing
It was just inevitable with a loser like wenger in charge
The good thing now is if emery fucks it , he will be gone. Quickly.
A huge difference. There isn’t one man holding the club to ransom
This was bound to happen today with this shambolic defense. But Emery has to take the blame for not better assessing this defense in the summer and making an awful purchase in Lichsteiner. We need 2 solid defenders brought in next week along with Banega to have any chance at top 4.
Klopp first season at Liverpool they finished 8th..
Funny how when they assembled a good team Liverpool progressed.
Joe
So why are you so happy?? You bellend
Every time arsenal get a pasting you’re on here like one of them weirdos in a storm on drugs dancing around and screaming.
Are you a sadomasochist by any chance or just pretending to be a gooner?? Either way you creep me out ya weirdo
Did we go 22 unbeaten this season or was that a mirage? Some of you lot need to calm down we’ll lose more matches and win too. It’s a transition season we’ll take stock end of the season. Unlike ManU after they replaced Fergie, can’t say we’ve gone backwards.
Pierre
“Ozil and Lacazette have just increased their popularity with the Arsenal fan base by 100% and Emery has reduced his popularity by 100%…”
You’re talking rubbing.
Who did the polling?
Who did they poll?
What you see here is a squad that has no depth and just like last year and the year before once the games com thick and fast the injuries and indeed the ability to concentrate when tiring isn’t more like non league rather than premier league.
Liverpool look full of invention and stamina and yes organisation whereas Arsenal look like a bunch of individuals without a clue
Oh dear
Kc
Emery doesn’t choose the players that role is external to him. He just trains what they supply him.
London
Klopp had no pre season and none of his own signings.
Emery had a full preseason, 5 signings, hardly anyone at the WC.
We had the opportunity to buy Van Djik when he was at Celtics……we didn’t even try, he went to Southampton….don’t tell me he chose So’ton over us, we needed a CB badly then too
Torreira looks a shadow of the player he was a month ago. I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve seen him hesistating or running back instead of standing his ground and putting in a tackle.
I think that arsenal play the same way no matter the score – lost 3 goals in 5 mins?? just keep playing the same lads and you will win – total bullshit
2 mids and 2 defenders
needed asap
Banega coming in means one of Ozil or Ramsey are leaving in Jan
We need more
TeddyDecember 29, 2018 19:05:39
Torreira looks a shadow of the player he was a month ago. I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve seen him hesistating or running back instead of standing his ground and putting in a tackle.
He is getting burned out by playing every game possible.
one more goal just for pride pls
Are we not going forward now with these side/back passes?
I’m surprised Sturridge hasn’t come on for a goal.
Emery broke the malaise at Arsenal.
He’s daring the marshes left by Wenger but it will take a lot to change our course because the stench of yesterday-years persist.
Emery has a lot to answer for too. He’s treated Laca very badly in my opinion
Ozil needs to get on board the Midnight Express & keep going all the way to where Europe meets Asia, coz that’s where his brain & loyalty is. Just go!
Spend a wad on a leader CB & build the defence around him, & get in a Messi/Ronaldo/Mbappe type, I’m over defenders who can’t cross.
This story is old, but it goes on!
I guess we gave BT Sport their highlights reel for the rest of the season now.
Capitulation.
yaaas – gendouzi coming on – 5-5 surely
Joe you said we will beat Liverpool lol for weeks and weeks.
Dissenter
Ignore Pierre’s BS. He is complicit to why our team is so shit. The fact we carried on with AW for 10 years more than we should have has dragged us down as, instead of wanting winners surrounding him, he chose weak minded players who would not challenge his rudderless stewardship.
As I said on the last thread – I feared we’d be battered. We need reinforcements. Still prepared to give Emery time.
he’s gonna loss the dressing room very soon
London
I agree.
I understand why people are angry.
Having said that I had absolutely no time at all for the pro-Wenger fans now wanting to rub shoulder to shoulder with people they called ‘anti-fans’ for years and do exactly what those ‘anti-fans’ were doing that made them ‘anti-fans’.
They are shitrags and the club would honestly be better off without them.
I guess it’s whether you’re pragmatic and logical or deluded/agenda fueled.
Pedro
Why shouldn’t it be a surprise? Emery had 70mil to spend, got 5 defensive players and has had half a season to work with the team. I’d like to know where the improvements are. Soton and Brighton were embarrassing. Tonight is downright humiliating and disgusting. Emery trains the team, and he picks who gets to play. Surely it’s not all Wenger’s fault. Don’t you think Emery should get at least some blame?
Whatever you say muffin man.
Whatever you say….
Proper gooner, cheering every time we get a pasting. Didn’t matter wether Wenger is here or not you just seem to savour and damn good thrashing.
Must be a remnant from your muffin baking dayzzzzz
Feels soooo familiar… How many times have teams around us slipped up only for Arsenal to do the same when the pressure is on? It seems like it happens every year…
Yes samesong I did
It’s called being a supporters and getting behind the team
You support
I thought we would. Even lost some bets
Disappointed with the result and the way our defence capitulated.
Who comes in then?
All you lot throwing it around?
Who comes in with a minimal spend and turns this pile of shit side around in 6 months?
Go on.
that ref has been shite as well
the movement of pool players off the ball makes a ton of difference. our guys standing still moving very little…. no wonder we cannot create…
I think mentally the team is shattered atm
A lot of players need to be cleared out.
Charlie
I really don’t know mate. Probably not
I don’t think anyone knew or even still knows exactly where the club stood, or how much/how long it would take to get back to prominence. I admit the status of the squad is more dire than I thought and I will hold out judgment of how Stan, Sven, Raul, Emery et al perform for at least a couple transfer windows. Emery could be doing better, but that would have been true for anyone who came in I think.
It’s just too soon to say in any regard.
I predicted a 5-1 loss before the game. That’s how bad we’ve been recently.
Hopefully we don’t make it worse.
Hey Guns of Brixton- nice to see you again
I can do with some clash right about now
Wenger ran arsenal down to the floor. Emery inherited most of the current players playing today.
Emery has shown already he is a massive upgrade on the Mr Magoo before him.
Liverpool have improved under klopp. So the scoreline is no surprise.
Emery should have a meeting with the board to explain our deficiencies and to quote a cost to buy the players we desperately need.
That was 100% a penalty
We have to give emery a couple of windows to bring in his type of player it’s is what it is
No UN
You need to pay for it
Even then I bet the hookers turn
You down.
I’m sure you’ll get it one day. Your mom might take pity on you. Or your dad
We all knew this would happen. Wolves had chance after chance. Soton had chances. Palace had chances.
With the mistakes we frequently make we knew a competent team was going to take us to the cleaners.
Whats frustrating today is we started decent, but our frustrating inability to keep a lead came back to bite us.
Over to the men at the club tasked with strengthening this side. If they refuse to, this will keep happening.
Scotsgooner
This has nothing to do with the ref indeed for me he’s don3 littl3 wrong indeed other than the incident just happening he hasn’t done a lot wrong
Barely 10 mins and Laca has the ball in good positions at least twice, almost won a.penalty.
usual – oliver bottles giving us a pen
Emery hasn’t won a title outside of a one-horse-oil-backed race. He’s a top 4 manager at best. He’s bringing a modern approach, but the approach itself isn’t on the same shelf as Klopp, Poch, Pep etc for me.
CC
Poch has won no trophy at all.
if that was salah – pen and sending off
Liverpool have a very large squad.
No one was succeeding this fast with this set up. Not Wenger not Allegri. Not Arteta. Not anyone.
That said I do think top 4 is the limit for Emery if he succeeds. Someone else will arrive before any major honors. But he will improve us while he is here, even if not immediately evident on the table.
Gotta say, the boners the pro Wenger crowd have over here… well, shameful. I’m no Emery fan, but I’m not vindicated after today because this squad is a Wenger mess still.
GoB
There’s too many average > shit players at this club
Wenger is to blame for that
While we’re at it, I’d take 10m for Ramsey next week
no shots no score
we have taken hardly any shots
this is just stupid
PedroDecember 29, 2018 19:15:14
Gotta say, the boners the pro Wenger crowd have over here… well, shameful. I’m no Emery fan, but I’m not vindicated after today because this squad is a Wenger mess still.
AMEN PEDRO.
Poor quality squad married with poor depth = This kinds mid season breakdown
Flipping heck we saw this coming didn’t we all ?
😖😖
I ll maintain the faith with Emery tho.
Only been 6 months and 1 major window
Seems we sold monkey and bought a dog is the case of wenger and emery. I don’t know how long it will take emery to see lichsteiner for what he is
No point even addressing them Pedro, absolutely embarassing.
Sancho
My issue is the ‘wait and see’ we’ve quite clearly done for this season.
We’ve possibly looked at United and gone uber cautious on things, but to me that sums Stans involvement up. Never willing to overreach or go hard, it’s passive and hopeful. We don’t seem like a club with a direction.
Pedro
Well said.
They are an actual disgrace to the club.
That’s why I couldn’t believe you were agreeing with the chief c**t among them a few weeks back.
DissenterDecember 29, 2018 19:04:06
Pierre
“Ozil and Lacazette have just increased their popularity with the Arsenal fan base by 100% and Emery has reduced his popularity by 100%…”You’re talking rubbing.
Who did the polling?
Who did they poll?
Dissenter,
I think it was Pierre and his cronies over at Untold that were polled for this 🙂
and what is elneny and Jenks doing? We have a lot of seat warmers
players who could help but do nothing.
Sell sell sell please
any $$ we can get – lets do it please
Shows the gap tho doesn’t?
These types of Ls are Eye bloody opening.
The only positive that I can see from this hapless performance is that it forces the club’s hand in the transfer market to improve our defence AND for the first time in over 22 years we don’t have Wenger wasting the club’s funds on his stupid projects.
Sven and Raul are some of the smartest people in this business, I’m sure they have a plan in place. I sure hope they have one anyway.
Emery’s defenses have never been great and you can’t win the PL without at least a top 3 defense. Even more so an issue in recent years as the top clubs separate themselves more and more.
Pedro
£70m spent on the defence….and the defence got worse.
Worse xGA
More conceded
Less clean sheets
I agree we don’t have the right squad but 2 things
1- Do we now trust Emery & Sven to go out spending again having got it wrong last time
2- We really have worse players than Brighton, Palace, West Ham, Watford, Leicester?
Pedro,
what’s shameful is that you gave these idiots a platform with your arteta nonsense, well done bud
Litch is literally Squillaci pt.II
He should never start for Arsenal again
window opens in a few days right?
I do hope we get players in quick
2-3 needed