Arsenal’s game with Vorskla has been moved to Kiev. Why?
‘Arsenal’s Europa League group tie with Ukrainian side Vorskla Poltava has been moved to Kiev due to security concerns.’
For fuck’s sake… the country we’re heading to has parts of it under martial law. SAY WHAT. I hope no Arsenal fans went to Ukraine earlier to soak up the culture. Nightmare.
I also hate the fact we’re in such a shite competition that we have to fly a very long way to play on a terrible pitch, to a small crowd, on a freezing cold night. There is no respect for players bodies. Let’s hope Emery takes a very weak squad.
Great news is Spurs are playing Inter Milan and they HAVE to play a full team as they chase CL group stage survival. If we send no players to the Ukraine, we’ll have a squad that’s spent a weak refreshing the legs, whilst being drilled tactically. That is a huge advantage. Poch was only complaining last week about player fatigue. I don’t think we were over exerted against Bournemouth and I certainly think Spurs blew a gasket against Chelsea (hopes really hard).
Unai Emery channeled his inner ARRRRFUUUR FOOCKING SHELBY when speaking about how Arsenal train.
“I try to encourage the players to be more demanding,”
“One of the first things we looked at with the players was the idea of training for training’s sake, training to compete and training to win. Those are three different steps and very often players do them subconsciously.
A massive zinger at Arsene there. Arsene didn’t change the way he trained for 16 years, and it was pretty clear that there was no intensity to the way they players were coached. Emery is trying to up the energy levels and he’s trying to give it purpose by making players better.
“You want development and improvement from all players. Obviously, when you have a squad of 25 players, you’re not going to be able to achieve that with all of them because at the end of the day you’re not able to give all of them the consistency of opportunity so that they all move in the same direction.
“That said, you need to get the best out of the individual players in training and then implement that in the matches. It’s more noticeable with some players because the players more and have the capacity to do so, and perhaps because they’ve also found new impetus.
Emery is making players accountable. He’s probably setting them individual goals. He’s likely trying to keep the players all mentally involved in the game.
Sure, I’m celebrating absolute basics here, but who cares, I spent 11 years telling people these things weren’t happening… now we’re finding out that this information was correct.
Things will still go wrong. We could still finish 5th. We might not achieve much this season. But everything is a process this year. It’s hard for anyone to rectify 10 years of neglect in a year. But we’ll get there, even if it takes 3 managers to achieve that.
Finally, take a listen of our latest podcast. It’s me and Aash shooting the shit about a range of issues that spans super league, Mesut, Emery, and the much discussed budget. Enjoy.
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A lot of sub par performances from the Bournemouth game, which makes the result all the more glorious. Mkhi and Auba are yet to discover their Dortmund form and we nicked a win with calamitous Mustafi at the back.
The real positives were Leno and Torreira, with Sokratis also putting in a decent shift. I can’t wait until Emery has a proper summer trasfer window to bring in his preferences, to see what he can actually achive,
ION, Ozil getting the Ramsey treatment? I love this,
Impressive stuff from Lyon last night. Important to note that Cornet was signed for less than £500k, Ndombele for £7m, Ferland Mendy for £5m, Depay for £15m and Fekir on a free at 18. Also important to note that all of these players are 25 or younger, with Cornet, Ndombele and Mendy all being 22 or younger.
Sometimes calls go your way; sometimes they do not. Arsenal have never been any more “hard done for” by calls over the course of a season than any other team. To claim otherwise, or to claim referees had something against Arsenal, is a laughable and self-pitying conspiracy theory worthy of Untold.
Emery talked so much about training. He should also find out whether it has anything to do with his training method that our team always under perform in the first 20 minutes of each game.
Several really bad decisions come to my mind when I think of referee decisions screwing us over.
Clichy’s brain fart vs Birmingham that was not a pen.
Toure’s foul in the penalty box on Babel vs Pool in the UCL.
RvP’s second yellow card for playing after the ref’s signal.
Especially RvP’s dismissal was absolutely mental.
Pierre In reference to your post regarding the nonexistent 4th title under Wenger, can I ask you a very personal question. Are you married by any chance? Do you look back and wonder, if only I hadn’t crossed the road all those years ago to get on that 700 bus, I would never have met my future wife. My take on the same subject would be if Arsenal had had a half decent manager at the helm back in 2015-16 then maybe, just maybe, we’d have run Leicester close. Bad decisions had nothing to do with Arsenal failing to win… Read more »
“Arsene didn’t change the way he trained for 16 years”
If only it was the only thing he didn’t change in this lap of time…
(sorry, couldn’t resist)
(Pierre LIKE this)
(lolz)
lol, funny how everyone automatically knows, mentioning wenger will summon Pierre in a flash.
Rap,
Yep all three were ridiculous. Clichy’s ignorance that day still haunts me, but it was not a penalty.
Raptora
they are just the tip of the iceberg I’m afraid …
26/12/2015.
Southampton 4 Arsenal 0.
Any conspiracies here?
Maybe if we hadn’t had PM in defence, we’d have done better?
If you say Wenger in the mirror 5 times, Pierre appears in his puma sleeping bag jacket and bums you into next week.
Pierre
Can you please explain why Arsene,did not win any European cups in his twenty years of management at Arsenal?A question,I have repeatedly asked,but till now you have avoided answering…
You’ve cited arguments(though laughable) for reasons why we lost the league in 2015/16.
Why no European Trophies under Arsene in 22 years?
you lot think its worth forfeiting the game on Thursday
safety comes first and I don’t think being top or second means much in Europa league
the only issue is the champions league teams coming into the Europa league
the only team we could struggle against right now is Chelsea but spuds could come into it as well
One of the things that bothers Pierre is that some here did not appreciate the FAC titles in ’14, ’15 and ’17 as much as he believes they should have. Question then: in your opinion, which was the greater moment — Arshavin’s goal and our win over Barcelona in the 2011 CL quarterfinal, or any one of the FAC title wins? Another question: which was the more impressive footballing feat, in your opinion — beating that Barcelona team or winning any one or all of those FAC titles? A final question: which of those four Arsenal teams (10-11, 13-14, 14-15,… Read more »
Graham ” Bad decisions had nothing to do with Arsenal failing to win the league that season. Anyone who seriously thinks otherwise, is Loopy Lou. ” All I did was copy an article that was a comprehensive study of every game and every decision in that season by a panel of experts and their findings concluded that Arsenal football club were denied the title by poor refereeing decisions…. As an Arsenal supporter I am disappointed in those findings as that title success may have led to more success with a more positive fan base behind the team and possibly more… Read more »
Leicester were much better than we were that season. It’s not even close. The argument Pierre is making is ridiculous.
And now Pierre is blaming the fans for Wenger’s failure in his second ten years at the club.
I feel like there should be a limit to the trolling you allow, Pedro. This is absurd.
Pierre
“negativity throughout the fan base due to us not winning the title”
Not even CONTENDING for a title, you mean. If he had managed even just THAT, there would have been far less criticism and negativity. But he couldn’t manage even that, could he, Pierre?
One of the things that bothers banford is going a day without speaking on behalf of someone else and distorting their POV to match his own myopic interpretation.
That and Mustafi and Xhaka, both of whom he’s desperate to pillory until that watershed moment he can declare he was right all along and “those of us” who wanted them gone are vindicated.
Water continues to be wet also.
Your Comment Anywhere
I’m confused. Emery is all about installing discipline and training hard etc…but why are Arsenal only turning up a) after we go at least one goal down b) the last 45 mins. This is just bad. Sure, it looks like we’ve developed mental toughness in adversity but actually it smacks of poor prep and failure. I’m always reminded that brilliant defenders don’t actually have to make tackles and if they do, something went wrong beforehand. We’re getting away with it. This unbeaten run (which is good) could have easily resulted in at least 5/6 defeats where we received some ridiculous… Read more »
Bamford
Instead of wanting me banned you should be thanking me for highlighting this……..Arsenal football club may have continued on an upward curve on and off the pitch with the confidence that winning the title would have brought to the club…
Guns
Of course you are spot on…
^The two trolls in alignment…
Leftside
Trolling what exactly? I’m pretty sure I am accurate in what I typed.
Arsenal are only turning up after going down and in the second half. This is fact backed up by stats.
So, take your silly word hole and pipe down.
Bamford “Question then: in your opinion, which was the greater moment — Arshavin’s goal and our win over Barcelona in the 2011 CL quarterfinal, or any one of the FAC title wins? Another question: which was the more impressive footballing feat, in your opinion — beating that Barcelona team or winning any one or all of those FAC titles?” I will answer your questions even though you want me banned . The win over Barca was a great result and a great game of football but at the end of the day means nothing ……why .because Arsenal were denied the… Read more »
Guns
Some on le grove have a problem when confronted with the truth…..
Bamford
” Emery is the best manager in the world ”
Bamfords view.
Watergun,
Relax, I was jesting with you.
Pierre
I don’t know why anyone would want you banned.
Is Le Grove a free-for-all where banning requests can be taken seriously?
The irony is this…there was undoubtedly a ‘cult of Wenger’ within Arsenal. This was never a good thing as it held us back for a very long time. But now, we’re starting to develop a cult for Emery.
Arsenal have become a very strange football club and our supporters are up there with some of the most deluded twats in the league…only the scousers and geordies are worse.
Leftside
I’ll steal your soul next time you dare jest with the japester.
That’s copyrighted by the way. He’s an alternative character to the Joker…similar but totally different.
Watergun, I think Arsenal have always had “strange” fans but no stranger/more delusional than any fan of any other club. Emery is held accountable, the same way that Wenger was by most folks on here. As Emery is trying to reverse years of neglect and damage to the football club he is looked at favourably by lots. If he rests on his laurels no doubt we would want change. We know footy is a ‘what have you done for me lately’ sport. The likes of where Pierre comes in, he undoubtedly comes on here to wind people up (and amazingly… Read more »
Guns of Hackney, The irony is this…there was undoubtedly a ‘cult of Wenger’ within Arsenal. This was never a good thing as it held us back for a very long time. But now, we’re starting to develop a cult for Emery Damn, you are really an insufferable fellow. You beat yourself into a dejectable mess under Wenger and now uphwknteven give his successor time to remedy the situation, even though you acknowledge that it became dire. What were you expecting after Wenger? God will come down in the form of a man to manage Arsenal and deploy archangels to fix… Read more »
Pierre
Except that that’s not my view, as you well know. If I have misrepresented your views somewhere herein, just tell us. I don’t think I have, though.
Your work here these days amounts to little more than pure trolling, and dishonest trolling at that. No idea why a grown man would behave as you are behaving. Honestly.
.**I don’t know why iOS autocomplete will change “you won’t” give his successor to “uphwknteven” his successor .
I may have just created a new word.
Lol Pierre with his conspiracy theory bullshit again. Those analytic stats are complete shit because they don’t take into account what would have happened if the goals that weren’t given were in fact given. It would have changed the game. Sure let’s say Ramseys goal would have stood, Liverpool could have equalized later on in the game who knows.
And thank God the specialist in failure didn’t win the league in 2016. He would definitely have gotten a ten year deal.
lol GoH and Pierre, the new best pals.
I think you nailed it Guns. It seems that there is a way of looking at Arsenal which needs a ‘them and us’. WOB v AKB etc. Now we have Emery acolytes (mostly those whose Arsenal supporting appear to have been poisoned by our previous manager) who will only accept critical analysis if it is unequivocally positive. Just as you question our poor first halves, which is a perfectly reasonable subject of discussion, there are those who are so keen to create an ‘against’ agenda, suggest that this is somehow a sacrilege to our new manager. Reasoning appears lost. The… Read more »
“No idea why a grown man would behave as you are behaving. Honestly.”
Hahahahs
“And thank God the specialist in failure didn’t win the league in 2016. He would definitely have gotten a ten year deal.”
Then again ,he may have decided to leave on a high with another title under his belt ,leaving the club in a far healthier state for a new manager to come in and take over the league champions and build on that success…..
guns cult of emery ? this is laughable. Diff between you and me at the moment is, I see the flaws in arsenal but I’m not laying it all at the feet of a manager who’s been here for a couple months. I’m giving him time (something Pierre and co wanted to give Wenger happily). I’m in favour of emery because I see that he has a Vision and plan and is working towards that, will there be set backs that he has to deal with ? yes. Nothing is honkey Doree. But I’m sure he sees the flaws as… Read more »
‘It seems that there is a way of looking at Arsenal which needs a ‘them and us’. WOB v AKB etc.’ This is dated, most people just want to see Arsenal be successful so this is a much more harmonious place than it used to be. Most of us have been critical of Emery when it is merited. I’m not sure where this myth have arisen that Emery is untouchable or can’t be criticised. Show me a reasonable poster on here who has said this? The problem is, there is a small group who are willing Emery to fail so… Read more »
Pierre,
Wenger has said that he has a huge desire to get back to coaching asap. He has said before that he still has the hunger and that a man should work until he is physically and mentally able.
Absolutely NO CHANCE that Wenger would have left on his own will if we had won the title in 2016. Absolutely no chance that he would have left on his own will no matter what. Only way to get rid of him was by sacking him. Which is how things ended up in the end.
1. I was Wenger out since 2009. 2. I was 100% pro Arteta (not first choice by the way). 3. I was highly critical of Emery at the beginning for very valid reasons. 4. I am still very critical but for different reasons than at the start of the season. 5. I have seen positives but I am pointing out negatives as well. So? Me and Pierre have not agreed in the past but why should a valid poster be hounded out by a mob because his posts don’t sit well? Madness. I am NOT placing ALL the blame on… Read more »
It is straight wrong to say the anger at Wenger was because he didn’t win a title. That is a total strawman argument. The anger was because of the obvious incompetence and severe underachievement given the resources available. I don’t believe there is a cult of Emery now. Instead, there is relief that some basic competence is being demonstrated combined with the understanding that it will take more than half a season to undo 10 years of destruction. If Arsenal are no better in a year, and if the transfer business is no better than it was under Wenger, Emery… Read more »
“The problem is, there is a small group who are willing Emery to fail so that Wenger can be held in a positive light”
Care to name names, or is blanket division your go to? There’s been a clear refusal from some posters to acknowledge any criticism of Emery, just witness the outpouring when Pedro happens to coin luck, or anything that might raise concern re:Emery.
This ‘critical when called for’ idea you’re talking about is in large part fantasy; in fact any criticism is often dismissed as such in rejection of the poster instead of what’s being posted.
Leftsidesanch
“The problem is, there is a small group who are willing Emery to fail so that Wenger can be held in a positive light”
Can anyone smell bullshit..
To want Emery to fail means wanting Arsenal football club to fail….sorry to say but it ain’t going to happen in my world
Here’s your names:
Pierre
Victorious
“There’s been a clear refusal from some posters to acknowledge any criticism of Emery” – – I’m intrigued to know which posters your referring to, because outside of Joe I’m not sure who else does that.
Damn. I am in total agreement with Champagne and Pierre. Who would have thunk that?
Wengemery…still no one has ever seen Emery and Wenger together.
Pierre,
You’ve just posted a ridiculous article of why Arsenal should have won the title instead of Leicester in the 2015/16 campaign.Pot kettle black if I ever read it.
Ha ha. Even after we’ve changed manager and got a few decent results…we’re still at each others throats. That, gentlemen is human nature. Never satisfied.
This place will blow if spurs beat us.
Leftsidesanch
You lost me there.
Pedro
‘But we’ll get there, even if it takes 3 managers to achieve that.’
Not with £30 million transfer budgets we won’t.
By ‘there’ I assume you mean winning the premiership of course.
Is Ramsey looking a little porky?
2004 seems a long time ago, doesn’t it?
£700m rebuild and Ron Atkinson. This would work.
“he may have decided to leave on a high with another title under his belt ”
looooooooooooool
Exactly HL.
looooooooooooool indeed
“That, gentlemen is human nature. ”
Nop, it is the fact that there is no more room on Untold.
HL
So…anyone that critiques Emery is a Wenger fan boy and should be on a untold?
That’s your reasoning.
Arsenal suck.
The 2015-16 season was Wenger’s worst season.
Should not have to rely on VAR when all your main ‘rivals’ lost 10 or more games that season lol
Just so you know you can ignore Pierre into Oblivion. Might be the way to go. As for the cult of Emery stuff well only an idiot would believe one exists. There are posters who give fair criticism and debate on him and then there’s people who coin dumbshit phrases like Wengemery and admit to criticizing him at the beginning (clever) like that’s warranted and then you have more obvious people like Vic and Pierre who are so transparent with their biased opinions on Emery that it’s honestly pathetic what you see them attempt to do. Made all the more… Read more »
Not with £30 million transfer budgets we won’t.
You’re a smart boy Alex you don’t honestly believe that a club like Arsenal would have a summer transfer budget of 30 million. Unless you want to believe it because it would fit into an agenda you’ve got going on.
“There’s been a clear refusal from some posters to acknowledge any criticism of Emery” – – I’m intrigued to know which posters your referring to, because outside of Joe I’m not sure who else does that.
Yeah that was some of that blanket statement misconstruing of another’s opinion type stuff that he gives Bam shit for. Outside of J.oe no one’s been die hard for Emery. Funny how that’s an issue or would be an issue considering he never had a problem with the die hard Wenger fans not being critical of him and downplaying his bad decisions
I doubt any manager in the World could top what Emery has achieved thus far with Arsenal
GoonerInNY
Your 12:00:41 post hit the the nail on the head.
“there is a relief that there is some basic competence being demonstrated combined with the understanding that it will take more than half a season to undo 10 years of destruction”
Those that take joy at criticising Emery, at seemingly every opportunity, are only kidding themselves.
Emery deserves our respect and trust, at this moment in time, for what he is trying to do to resurrect the club.
I believe our budget will be pretty much the same as this summer’s but with the addition of hopefully UCL money and several transfers out.
I mean 70m NET spend doesn’t sound a whole lot, but if you’ve managed to sell well players like Elneny, Kola, Chambers, Ospina, one of Mikki and Ozil, maybe AMN, you could be looking at ~70m+ easy. The players that joined this summer for 70m, imagine what we could do with double that money at worst and even more if we manage to secure UCL football.
Redtruth
100% correct.
“This place will blow if spurs beat us.”
Strange feeling that some people on here are hoping for that result…
I somehow agree with guns, Emery is doing more than we expected but our consistent lackluster performance in first halves of games leaves much to be desired.
I don’t think fixing this problem should take 2 to 3 windows. They’re purely tactical and he should fix it as soon as possible.
Though we’re winning, the tactical errors shouldn’t be ignored.
Pierre and his ilk.
The football has been dreary lol
We’ve wrapped up goal of the season already! lol
Emery deserves our respect and trust, at this moment in time, for what he is trying to do to resurrect the club.
Of course he does he’s already won as many away games (league) as Arsene did all last season and he’s doing it with largely the same squad. If given enough time and resources he’ll sort us out no problem
Was just thinking how I think that we’ve got the better deal between Emery and Sarri. Imagine Emery at Chelsea with a team that have won two EPLs in the last 4 seasons. Chelsea and their players didn’t need a complete change of tactics in order to be successful. They just needed fresh blood, a good man manager to instigate hunger in them and a continuation of the tactics that have won them titles. In that regard Emery would have been ideal for them. They didn’t really need Sarri-ball. Maybe Sarri-ball would have been more suited to the style that… Read more »
our consistent lackluster performance in first halves of games leaves much to be desired. I don’t think fixing this problem should take 2 to 3 windows. They’re purely tactical and he should fix it as soon as possible. True. But worth pointing out that for the last number of years under Wenger we also suffered by and large with starting slowly and that wasn’t a problem for some. Now granted it was much more obvious because we have poor first halfs and excellent and obvious second halfs whereas under Wenger we would sometimes have poor first halfs followed by poor… Read more »
I think we all want Emery to be a great success and acknowledge that he needs time to achieve this. I suppose my point was that some people are overly precious about any criticism of the new manager. This is possibly due to an over compensation from the vitriolic that our old manager was getting from the same people.
Just a theory mind!
I suppose my point was that some people are overly precious about any criticism of the new manager. This is possibly due to an over compensation from the vitriolic that our old manager was getting from the same people.
You are one of those people Bob. I seem to remember on quite a few occasions when Wenger is brought up in a negative light you try to move the conversation on quickly or say something like he’s gone and what’s the point in talking about him. It’s just one of those things I suppose.
Sorry for bringing this up again, and for bringing Pierre back into this haha; But in regards to your opinion that having VAR would have won us that season, well yeah it may well have. But the first case against it is that it was not a part of the Premier league, so it had no effect whatsoever. 2, if it had been implemented, how do you know the knock on effects of the first var decision would have led the the same result in the end? And 3, because VAR wasn’t implemented, how many of the so called wrong… Read more »
Marko, what I found distasteful was the level of criticism Wenger got. I wanted him gone for years but I had a residual respect for what he had achieved, so when I read so much real hate, I certainly didn’t go along with it. So after years of reading vitriolic comments I was hoping that we could get past that and move on. That’s all. We know that this squad is not Emery’s yet but looking forward not backwards is surely the way to go. So when I read people going on about their hate of Wenger, I mostly ignore… Read more »
Marko
Agreed Emery is doing an excellent job but if arsenal fc is serious about competing for the biggest trophies, the club will have to provide him or any other manager with the proper resources.
If not, the best we’ll do is a top four finish, which, let’s be fair, is where we were with wenger.
There’s a difference between hate and criticism Bob. There’s also a difference between criticizing Emery and not criticizing Wenger and that’s what some do now and there’s the divide.
“There’s also a difference between criticizing Emery and not criticizing Wenger”
I got 2 names already, but hey, I’m not a snitch !! lol
If not, the best we’ll do is a top four finish, which, let’s be fair, is where we were with wenger
Well technically speaking we were 5th and 6th place with Wenger. More about actually competing than expecting to win titles though for me. But what would be a fair amount of resources what would be enough that would change your mind on the direction/ownership of the club.
“I had a residual respect for what he had achieved…”
“…during the first part of his Arsenal career.”
Add that and there will be no problem at all.
1. There is no Emery cult. He just has support and trust from most of the fan base.
2. Pierre is a disingenuous little cretin
https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2018/11/28/pierre-emerick-aubameyang-will-be-out-to-hurt-tottenham/
Apparently PEA was rejected by Tottenham… their loss our gain.
I hope he punishes them.
“If not, the best we’ll do is a top four finish, which, let’s be fair, is where we were with wenger” The issue with Wenger isn’t that we were only top 4 but not competing, the issue isn’t that we were 5th or 6th place. The issue is that we were on a continuous downward spiral if Wenger had stayed on we would have kept dropping until we hit a reversed glass ceiling at upper mid table. Once there it would have been almost impossible to correct, we are lucky that the decision was made to move Wenger on before… Read more »
HL, ‘had achieved’.
‘Had’ HL, that tells you it’s in the past but if stating the bleeding obvious is important…..’during the first part of his career’ then fair enough!
Goobergoona Your sort of missing the point …It’s nothing really to do with VAR.and it’s nothing to do with me. I never sanctioned this independent panel of experts to study every game played and every decision made in that season. The final table shows Arsenal on top that’s all I know. Of course games can pan out in a different way ..there were very few mistakes in the arsenal games (3 I think) but Leicester had many decisions that went in their favour so instead of looking of what might have happened in Arsenal games think for a minute how… Read more »
Olegunner
“2. Pierre is a disingenuous little cretin”
Less of the “little”.
I’ve actually been quite complimentary about Emery, would just like to see him get the best out of creative side …get them playing to their full potential …
I won’t mention our defence as it will look like I’m moaning.
You would think after getting it completely wrong about Wenger, Mr. Charlie and ilk would take it down a notch.
But no, they have somehow become more loud and arrogant than before.
AKBs on here explaining their feelings on how they want the club to do well but don’t really like the manager in charge and his popularity is nothing less than priceless. Welcome to the Hell the rest of us just climbed out of. Hope it lasts just as long fuckers.