Emery talks politics, history, and presentations + Club linked to deep-lying midfielder

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Just as heads up folks, the only thing Black Friday is good for is watching middle-class folk fight over Calvin Klein boxer shorts deals. What a fraudulent holiday. A total con. Look at the shoddy deal Arsenal are trying to pull here.

Looool… Bantonio Banlencia with the cross, Alexis Bantchez is in on goal, oh my, it’s over the bar…

Sometimes you just gotta bring the A-game.

Something else that amuses me. Unai Emery looking awkward.

Emery: Guys, I don’t do pictures

Reporter: Come on Unai, just one

Emery: Ok, how’s this?

Reporter: Perfecto

Absolutely zero creativity in that shot. Just Emery, in a tracksuit, pointing at a picture. No esoteric layers, no filters, just pure Emery pointing at his job. Love it.

Anyway, his interview was very interesting. This bit was was worth paying attention to.

“In the past, teams had already approached me with their decision made: Paris Saint-Germain, Sevilla, Valencia, Spartak Moscow, Almeria… I wasn’t used to being another candidate and putting my arguments across. I prepared for the meeting with my staff. I went into it with the doubt of my English speaking, but they always said that this wouldn’t be a problem. And I spoke to them very naturally that day.”

Apparently one of the other managers in contention made a very impressive presentation, so Emery was asked to do the same to make it fair (in case it leaked). This quote still smacks of oddness, unless of course, Ivan Gazidis and Sven Mislintat could both speak Spanish. How was the interview structured if they were all speaking naturally?

The best line for me was when he was asked what his approach has been at Arsenal.

“Before Wenger arrived, Arsenal celebrated the 1-0 wins and were based on defensive solidity. With Arsene, they became an attacking team, with players who were good on the ball. And the perfect combination came with The Invincibles [in the 2003/4 season when Arsenal won the Premier League and remained unbeaten]. But with time, you can only take care of technique and attacking freedom, losing your defensive structure. What I want to do is unite the two and become more competitive. Arsenal were falling. We had to stop that and start to lift them.”

That’s a man who understands the now, but also what went before him. I’m extremely impressed at something which I guess should be a basic for £6m a year job. But really, for a Spanish manager to have a strong grasp of over 30 years of Arsenal football history is a measure of the man. Classy. Wisdomish. Mesmerical.

I mentioned in the post yesterday that I was wondering whether the clubs hierarchy would hold itself to account moving forward, which of course, I truly believe they will… but we have a little bit of self-preservation PTSD after 10 years with a CEO and a manager who were happy with hitting financial goals, working harder to reframe secondary success, versus actually achieving primary success (troooophies).

“We can improve this team. I want to be demanding. I am delighted with the treatment of the club in all areas, but I want them to be demanding of me because I will then push the club forward. I want to be demanding of myself, the team and the club. The Premier League is different to how it was 20 years ago, when City and Chelsea weren’t the same teams, and Everton were stronger. Money has changed everything. And Arsenal must be great, not allowing the four above to take advantage of us [there’s also Manchester United] and not allow the teams below to get closer to us.”

Good to see the manager wants to be pushed. Again, these are basics for competitive people who want to win things, but they’ve been sorely lacking.

Final quote before you go to the site yourself to read the rest, but it appears we had an answer on why he didn’t start with Leno and LT, and it wasn’t performance, it was political, as we suspected at the time.

“Because you have to respect hierarchy. [Bernd] Leno arrives, but [Petr] Cech is doing well and you must respect that. Petr was first. The same thing was true with [Matteo] Guendouzi and Torreira, who arrived later. I gave him [Guendouzi] the chance first, which I was delighted about, but now he’s not playing as much and Lucas is.”

Again, it’s all part of the onboarding process. You can’t shake the applecart too hard, you have to make sure you don’t completely break the spirit, and you want to make sure the leaders respect you. Dumping players doing a good job isn’t smart, and there’s no doubt Guendouzi and Cech were smashing it earlier in the season. Now they’ve been moved to the bench and that’s fine, because Torreira and Leno proved themselves. That’s the sort of fair competitive environment you want to foster.

Bacary Sagna, like so many ex-players and pundits are now coming around to the realisation that it wasn’t the players who were the issue last season.

“It is strange. From one year to another, it is totally crazy,”

“They enjoyed the summer to clear their minds and come back stronger.

“It seems like they give even more on the pitch and it is working for them. I am so happy to see the club back to its best. Arsenal is in my heart, it is my club.

Incredible how many professional athletes didn’t seem to grasp that a manager who doesn’t hold you accountable probably won’t extract the most out of the squad.

Big Raul reckons Stan K is a fucking ace guy.

“The one thing that’s crucial for the good management of a club is stability and now I believe we have full stability.

“Every time we’ve interacted with the owners, we get a total sense of support and alignment.

“We are in a new chapter of the club and the passion these people have for Arsenal has given us the right working environment.”

He’s never going to call him a ‘f*cking mugged up mug,’ but at the same time, you’d have to imagine he’s hearing good things if he’s going to the press about his boss. Right? RIGHT? £100m Dembele incoming people!

We’re being linked with Julian Weigl in some of the press. This move doesn’t really make sense to me. He’s certainly not a direct replacement for Aaron Ramsey as The Sun guessed, but he would be for Granit Xhaka. The German sits at the base of midfield and sprays balls around for fun. He’s very slight of frame, but certainly a talent. It does make me a little uncomfortable that half of the rumours surrounding Arsenal are exDortmund players. Can we just look elsewhere?

FINALLY, we’re being linked to Fornals of Malaga. This player is sexy on toast. An absolute delight on the ball, he can track back, he plays long, short, he scores and he assists. Check out his video here…

P.S. Get a hit of Arsene Wenger rocking blue sneakers with Gray and Keysey in Qatar. Bit sad to watch, the man wants a job and the offers don’t seem to be rolling in. Love that his opener was a jab about people with opinions… to move on Mr Wenger, you have to take responsibility for your own bad press (you don’t, but it would be nice if you did).

111 Responses to “Emery talks politics, history, and presentations + Club linked to deep-lying midfielder”

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  1. DM

    Well, I’ll blame Michael Buble for this one. Tickets were on sale from 9am so I was busy in the queue trying to get some… Then got through and realised the good seats are over £100 each… So didn’t buy lol.

  2. DM

    Lol Davey.. Can’t be hating on Buble mate. As a musician myself I have nothing but respect for the man – unreal voice. And the one show of his I’ve been to before was one of the best concerts I’ve ever experienced

    But yeh, didn’t wanna spend £210 for 2 tickets

  3. Guns of Hackney

    I am not a fan of Bellerin as a player…I think he’s a bit dreck, but at least he is trying something different when it comes to a fashion statement.

    I’d rather see Bellerin’s originality than the ubiquitous “I wanna be a gangster and listen to R n B” tripe 95% of footballers turn out in.

    …it gets worse when a footballer ‘tries’ to be smart by wearing a suit. Oh my…the ill fit, large tie knot (only cunts and estate agents wear big knots) and fucking waistcoat…never wear a three piece unless it’s a formal occasion!!! Also…contrary to modern wisdom, black and brown DO NOT work. Also brown shoes, blue suits and a dousing of lynx won’t pull classy women??

    You might score Chantelle from the frontdesk for a bad kiss…but you’ll only go home with a pizza kebab.

    Fucking footballers. Fucking badly dressed dudes.

  4. Davey

    Agreed DM he has a great voice but the 90’s was my time loved the Indie scene and still see all the Stone roses and Oasis tribute bands just can’t let go!

  5. Graham62

    Pedro

    Got to love Emery even more after reading all this.

    Seems to understand the club more than many of our fans.

    His “Before Wenger arrived” explanation goes to show that even from afar, he was well aware of our predecessors errors over the past decade.

    As for Sagna’s remarks, believe me, ALL the players knew where the problem was coming from. Diplomacy and sensitivity can only stretch a certain distance before the truth comes out.

    Bournemouth on Sunday should be interesting.

    Goals? Most definitely.

    I’ll go 2-1 or 3-2 AFC.

    Onwards and upwards.

  6. Graham62

    “these are basics for people who want to win things”

    Of course you’re right, it’s so fudging obvious.

    Arsenal are an appealing commodity once again.

  7. pliget

    Nice to be impressed by our manager for a change. Of course I expect to be impressed by anyone, from road-sweeper to UN Head when they are talking about their full-time occupation.

  8. Un na naai

    Guns

    My head fell off

    I went to the doctor and told him I fell like a pair of curtains
    He said pull yourself together man!!!

  9. Guns of Hackney

    CC

    He’s asking for a ‘friend’…and that friend has some bugs that are causing mayhem in the down below department.

    Or it’s AIDS. It’s always genital bugs or AIDS.

  10. Guns of Hackney

    Un Na

    If you’re being serious, go to the fucking doctors. Shitting blood is not normal ever! Could be something nasty. Seriously, don’t fuck about.

    Are you sure it’s blood? Guinness can look like blood…

    Go have a check up but I can assure you, blood from anywhere is NOT normal.

  11. Emiratesstroller

    Pedro

    I do understand what is happening in midfield, because there is now division in labour between those players with responsibility for ‘holding’ the middle ground and those who are responsible for the creative and offensive side of game.

    Torreira is a mobile player who reads the game extremely well. Xhaka is less
    mobile, but also covers the centre ground. Guendouzi is also mobile, and responsible for centre ground.

    Ramsey’s weakness is that he is not technically gifted enough to play in an
    attacking/creative midfield role nor disciplined enough to play holding role,
    which is why he is leaving.

    Also Elneny lacks also the mobility or passing ability to play at levels now required by Emery, which is why he has not played this season in EPL.

    So Arsenal do need an additional holding player in central midfield. You cannot rely on just 3 players with our match commitments.

    There will be some posters who will argue that Maitland-Niles should perhaps
    be offered the fourth slot. However, neither Wenger nor Emery have considered him sofar for that role. My guess is that they both saw him as a flank player.

  12. DM

    Guns

    A nice take on Bob Monkhouse’s classic ‘When I told people I wanted to be a comedian, they laughed at me. Well they’re not laughing any more!’

    Classic

  13. S Asoa

    U Nai
    As Guns said you got to see a doctor. If it is red blood probably piles which is a simple thing , probably from sitting on plastic chairs with your drink. Not ulcer, don’t worry, just go to a Gastroenterologist

  14. Cesc Appeal

    I don’t think Holding has much chance of an England call up to be honest. You’ve got Stones, Gomez, Maguire and Keane off the bat in front of him. Southgate uses Dier as well sometimes, Walker as well sometimes.

    Holding has been better but he’s still not massively impressive. I don’t personally think anyway.

  15. jwl

    Joke Friday –

    A man walks into a bar with a paper bag. He sits down and places the bag on the counter. The bartender walks up and asks what’s in the bag.

    The man reaches into the bag and pulls out a little man, of about 12 inches height, and sets him on the counter. He reaches back into the bag and pulls out a small piano, setting it on the counter as well. He reaches into the bag once again and pulls out a tiny piano bench. The little man sits down at the piano and starts playing a beautiful piece by Mozart.

    “Where on earth did you get that ???” asked the surprised bartender.

    The man responds by reaching into the paper bag. This time he pulls out a magic lamp. He hands it to the bartender and says: “Here. Rub it.”

    So the bartender rubs the lamp, and suddenly there’s a gust of smoke and a beautiful genie is standing before him.

    “I will grant you one wish – just one.”

    The bartender gets real excited. Without hesitating he says, “I want a million bucks!”

    A few moments later, a duck walks into the bar. Another duck, then another soon follow it. Pretty soon, the entire bar is filled with ducks and they keep coming!

    The bartender turns to the man and says, “Y’know, I think your genie’s a little deaf. I asked for a million bucks, not a million ducks.”

    “I know, do you really think I asked for a 12 inch pianist ???

  16. Bamford10

    Mourinho calling his younger players “immature”, “spoilt” and “lacking in character” in an interview with Univision. Shaw, Martial, Rashford and Lingard seem to be the targets.

    Thank you, Jose, for further poisoning relations in your camp. We are better off with an unhappy, dysfunctional United.

  17. Bamford10

    Pierre

    You still haven’t answered the question re what Guardiola, Klopp or Sarri require of their attacking / creative players when not in possession. Do they require less of them? Do they not ask them to press, harry or tackle? How, specifically, are Emery’s demands different from these three, IYO?

  18. Bamford10

    I’m sure people have noticed that we’ve been linked to Alberto Moreno. Every time I’ve ever watched this guy he has made a boneheaded defensive error, which is why he doesn’t start there. Would this be a really dumb signing, or, if Moreno limits his mistakes, could it be a smart, inexpensive stopgap measure? What do people think?

  19. Cesc Appeal

    Really tough game on Sunday, Bournemouth are looking a good side and it will be a test.

    If Emery is going to start Lacazette and Aubameyang together again he should adopt a similar formation to the one we played at Fulham, that sort of 4-2-2-2.

    Leno, Bellerin, Sokratis, Holding, Kolasinac, Torreira, Xhaka, Iwobi, Mkhitaryan, Lacazette, Aubameyang.

    The problem we’ve got is we don’t really have a game changer on the bench in the way we did when we played one of Lacazette or Aubameyang.

  20. Bamford10

    Charles Watts reporting that Monreal won’t return to full training for another two weeks. Looks like it’s Kolasinac for a bit longer.

  21. Pedro

    Bloody hell Un, get to a doctor.

    Though I will say, my friend has the same issue and it’s not serious.

    THAT SAID SEE A DOCTOR.

    That finger delivery isn’t as bad as they say.

  22. Dream10

    Bamford

    Don’t want Moreno, but he and Mata are types that be will be targeted because they’re free and have PL experience. We need a clear #1 LB. Mendy of Lyon and Chilwell of Leicester look good. However, I don’t believe we’ll be in for that caliber of defender, even if we make the CL next season.

    Kolasinac is certainly not first choice, not sure we should we keep him as a squad player either. Wouldn’t be surprised if Monreal is in the midst of a Koscielny like decline. The club seem to be strangely quiet on him. Wonder if it’s one of those injuries where he has an operation and they are keeping it on the low.

    Expecting us to be in for a difficult afternoon on Sunday. Wilson and Brooks can easily get the better of Holding and Kolasinac on our left side of the back four. Bournemouth is probably a more challenging match for us than Spurs or Utd because they are a hard running team and don’t sit back. We’ll probably need at least three goals to get three points

  23. Cesc Appeal

    From the rumours it seems we’re going to try to look for young prospects or good scouts in terms of defenders.

    At LB we’ve seen links Tagliafico and Firpo.

    At CB we’ve seen links to Mancini, Andersen and Walukiewicz.

    I wouldn’t expect a massive money signing in defence, more likely that would be a CAM/CM and/or winger.

  24. Cesc Appeal

    Mavropanos is set to return over the next week. That will be great, chance to see him get some Europa League games and see whether he can develop.

  25. Dream10

    Cesc

    Haven’t been following the rumours as closely as yourself and others since the start season. But, with Mislintat on board, it makes sense we’re trying to target younger talents we can polish into stars. I
    think management seee him as the star of the show rather than Emery. Heard on a Euro pod (can’t remember which one) that Tagliafico is a January target for Atletico Madrid for 20-25m euros. Don’t see us spending that much on a LB next window.
    Just hope we don’t sign our fourth or fifth choice LB because our two current LBs can’t be trusted. Means we won’t upgrade on the position for a couple of seasons.

  26. Champagne charlie

    Un na

    Sorry mate, was called away. I’d have to concur with the advice of some others and suggest a doctors visit when there’s blood present in stool. That in itself isn’t a clear and obvious symptom of anything, more a sign to do further tests and gather some more info.

  27. Vivek Arulnathan

    Pedro, i remember you calling for people to move on from Wenger…..

    Yet, you still keep moaning about Wenger. It’s boring. I don’t see even the obnoxious AFTV characters harping about Wenger anymore but I can’t go two blog posts from you without a reference to how evil Wenger was.

    He gives an interview. maybe he needs a job. Who cares? He has an opinion about people with opinions. About people who literally abused him. And you are bashing him for having an opinion about people with opinions?

    He is no longer associated with Arsenal. Give it a rest. I remember you making fun of some people who considered Wenger almost a father figure. It wasn’t funny. But to me, it’s you who is obsessed with the man. Almost as if you can’t make an argument about anything without having a go at a 70 year old man.

    I enjoyed some of your writing during the summer and beginning of the season. But you’ve gone back to Wenger bashing. it was relevant the last few years. It’s stupid now. Give it a rest.

  28. Pierre

    Bamford
    Firstly ,I have never said our offensive players shouldn’t “press, harry or tackle”…of course they should .
    What I said was people are much too preoccupied with the pressing ,tracking back, closing down etc rather than what they are on the pitch for and it may just be possible that they are expending too much energy playing a system that isn’t working probably because we don’t have the players to implement that system.

    There are a number of differences between klopp,Sarri and pep in the way they set up their team positionally and in the system they play plus having the players to make the system work but I can’t be arsed to waste my time explaining it ….I will leave you to work out why Arsenal’s supposedly pressing game is not working considering we work the hardest in the prem off the ball yet still concede space and chances to the opposition at an alarming rate…

    Personally,I would like to see our full backs play more conservatively and our CAM (whoever it is ) plays more in the hole as a link player rather than being used regularly ahead of our striker , closing down the keeper and defenders.

    Of course, people will say that it must be working as we are unbeaten in 15/16 games and believe the sun shines out of Emery’s arse…..Let’s hope they are right.

  29. Dissenter

    “I enjoyed some of your writing during the summer and beginning of the season. But you’ve gone back to Wenger bashing. it was relevant the last few years. It’s stupid now. Give it a rest”

    The hundreds of thousand of posts on his blog will suggest that your remarks are undeniably silly. I believe he has written more than a 1000 posts on legrove. It’s reasonable to say you’re a nonentity compared to the historical solidity of Pedro.
    Pedro can write whatever he chooses to write, it’s his blog.
    He was merely reporting an interview Emery gave but you and your pompous ego can’t tolerate that, can you?

    You want us to have a 100% embargo on Wenger?

  30. Marc

    Pierre

    Whilst there’s a small degree of truth to what you say you always seem to come off as trying to build towards a defence of Wenger.

    There’s one other small matter to what you say:

    Klopp – 4th season at the club and has spent over £400 million on new players.

    Pep – 3rd season at the club and has spent almost £450 million and had very good squad to start with.

    Sarri – Took over a squad that won the PL season before last and had switched off under Conte, something they seem to do when they’ve had enough of a manager.

    Emery – Took over a very unbalanced squad that posses some talented players but needs some serious surgery. Spent £65 ish million on the summer and we of course brought in Aba in Jan.

    I just get the feeling you’re waiting to be able to say “Wenger could have done that / would have done better”

  31. Pierre

    Pedro( on Emery s comments about not starting Leno and torriera)
    “Again, it’s all part of the onboarding process. You can’t shake the applecart too hard, you have to make sure you don’t completely break the spirit, and you want to make sure the leaders respect you. ”

    As a counter argument you could say that if Emery had said ” fuck upsetting the applecart and fuck the leaders respect” and started Torriera,Leno and Lacazette in the opening 2 games, we may be sitting very close to the top of the table as city and Chelsea were there for the taking.

    But no, let’s all agree that not upsetting the applecart is more important than getting the 3 points.

  32. Marc

    Pierre

    It was a judgement call, with regard to Torreira and Leno they were both new to English football and Torreira had gone a fair distance in the world cup.

    What would Emery have to do this season to be sacked in your opinion – I really think you’re gagging for it to happen.

  33. Pierre

    Marc
    I think everything that needs to be said has been said by me on the matter in previous posts .

    Will just say that I agree with you that we have hired a (good)manager who has a certain philosophy of how he wants the game played but we don’t have the players to implement that philosophy but he will not be given sufficient funds to make it work and help us challenge for the title and that’s the conundrum we face..top 4 imo will never and has never been anything to get too excited about.

  34. mysticleaves

    “P.S. Get a hit of Arsene Wenger rocking blue sneakers with Gray and Keysey in Qatar. Bit sad to watch, the man wants a job and the offers don’t seem to be rolling in. Love that his opener was a jab about people with opinions… to move on Mr Wenger, you have to take responsibility for your own bad press (you don’t, but it would be nice if you did).”

    Dissenter
    I believe this is what Vivek was talking about. No relation to the Arsenal. Just Wenger bashing. Not that I have anything against it but if you want to swing at someone, do not miss. Makes you look silly.

  35. Marc

    “It was a potentially wrong judgement call…..wasn’t it ?”

    We’ll never know. We might have lost both more heavily or seen an injury to Torreira due to not letting ease his way in to the PL.

    I don’t think you will ever give Emery any sort of praise that doesn’t come with an agenda.

  36. Bamford10

    Pierre

    ‘[if Emery had] started Torreira, Leno and Lacazette in the opening two games, we might be sitting very close to the top of the table as City and Chelsea were there for the taking.’

    What utter nonsense. That XI would only have been marginally better than the XI we fielded. That XI is the XI we are watching now, and there is absolutely nothing impressive about them. No chance they would have been good enough to beat City, and even if they had somehow managed to beat Chelsea, they aren’t as good as Chelsea, so over the course of the PL season, that win would be more or less meaningless.

    You’re just lamely grasping for anything you can criticize Emery for. It’s pretty pathetic, Pierre.

    Which is not to say that Emery is above criticism or questioning. Not at all. No manager is above criticism or questioning. But the way you are going about it is laughable. As is your objective — which you will never, ever accomplish.

  37. Bamford10

    Pierre

    Re the XI you think Emery should have started the first game with — i.e., basically our current starting XI — are you of the opinion that said XI is good enough to contend with City, Chelsea or Liverpool for places 1 – 3? Or do you think, as many here do, that the current starting XI is inferior to those clubs’ XIs and could not over the course of a PL season keep up with them? If the latter, why would it even matter that we might have — possibly — put in a marginally better showing in games one and two? Please explain.

  38. Marc

    Bamford

    Apparently a grown man was arrested in North London today for turning up at a shopping centre, insisting on sitting on Santa’s knee and refusing to leave until he promised that he could have Wenger back for Christmas.

    Obviously he was let out early.

  39. Graham62

    Pierre

    You’re like a vulture circling from above.

    What is it exactly that you don’t get or like about Unai Emery?

    The fact that most Arsenal fans, who had the good of the club at heart, were delighted to see the back of Wenger, never really rang true with you.

    Emery didn’t inherit a Man City, a Liverpool or a Chelsea. He inherited a sinking ship. What he has done in such a short period is beyond my own and most other Arsenal supporters expectations.

    Your detailed analytical mind has this annoying habit of always looking into things in far too much detail. Comparing Emery’s situation/methods to Pep, Klopp and Sarri, is totally irrelevant.

    Before Pep there was Manuel Pelligrini and Roberto Mancini.
    Before Klopp there was Brendan Rodgers.
    Before Sarri there was Conte and Mourinho.
    Before Emery there was nothing, as far as a progressive structure was concerned, for several years.

    Whether you and a few others on here like it or not, Wenger is culpable for why AFC was put in such a regressive position. Emery’s task is far harder than those managers you highlight, but you don’t get this do you?

    Emery’s remarks were also relevant and appropriate. He communicated things in a constructive and diplomatic manner and yet made it perfectly clear that Wenger had stagated the team and the club as a whole, which was refreshing to hear.

    PS: “Wenger bashing” will also always be relevant. Just like his successes, it is a part of the clubs history.

  40. Marc

    Bamford

    Christ he’s not on that anti Kroenke thing again is he?

    Guy hire’s one of the top scouts in Europe, a DOF with a really great PTR and is allowing an internal re vamp that seems to be really setting us up well but no until he chucks a billion of his own cash he’s a leech.

  41. Bamford10

    Pierre

    Another thing: can you please explain why the team you think Emery wants to build will be so prohibitively expensive? What is it about Emery’s approach that will make building such a team so expensive? I mean, everyone here would agree that to build a team that can compete with City is going to cost some money. But why is it the case that Emery’s approach to this will require more money than any other approach? Or is that not what you’re saying? It sounds like what you’re saying, so if it isn’t, you should clarify.

    Another thought, though, is that your view is that we cannot compete with City, Chelsea, Liverpool unless we spend as much money as they do — and that this is true regardless of who is manager. Wenger, Emery, Ancelotti, Klopp, Simeone, Jardim … appoint any manager you like, this thinking goes, he’s not going to succeed.

    Is this your view?

  42. Stevegooner

    For Christ’s sake. Let’s not forget we could have been 5 – 2 up at half time against Chelsea. The players we had on the pitch should have put the game away. 2 sitters missed by PEA and a 50 – 50 chance missed by Iwobi

  43. Marc

    Bamford

    It’s strange how Pierre ignores the fact that we’ve had a net spend higher than Chelsea, Liverpool and the Spud’s over the last five years.

    But still we can’t compete with them.

  44. Pierre

    Bamford
    Chelsea and city were there for the taking but we failed to take the opportunity because our new manager didn’t want to upset the applecart….I would have preferred the 6 points that was on offer as there will never be a better time to play them ,especially city……but obviously you feel we had no chance playing a city side at home that most of their team had only just arrived back in training a week earlier whereas we had a fully rested squad to choose from ……

  45. Bamford10

    Marc

    No, Pierre isn’t really anti-Kroenke. He’s anti-WOB. Pierre believes the “Wenger out” crowd is the worst thing that has ever happened to Arsenal Football Club. This is what really drives his commentary here.

  46. Marc

    Fuck off Pierre.

    Emery had only had a matter of weeks with a new squad that has a mountain of issues and he’s supposed to go out and beat one of the best teams ever to feature in the PL.

    The more you comment the more you come off as a prick.

  47. Pierre

    Marc
    “It’s strange how Pierre ignores the fact that we’ve had a net spend higher than Chelsea, Liverpool and the Spud’s over the last five years.But still we can’t compete with them.”

    I don’t remember ignoring it but now you mention it ,Arsenal won 3 trophies in the 5 years and Liverpool and Tottenham won a grand total of zero trophies between them …..

  48. Marc

    Sorry Pierre

    I misunderstood you. You are 100% behind Emery after all Wenger retired, our financial muscle is superior to Liverpool and the Spud’s, we have players who have won something at the club and we’ve added some top level behind the scenes talent.

    After all dropping 6 points against City and Chelsea (a net drop off 1 point on last season) were made up by beating Cardiff (swapped out for Swansea) and Newcastle who we lost to last season. So on those 4 results we’re 5 points up.

  49. Pierre

    Marc
    “After all dropping 6 points against City and Chelsea (a net drop off 1 point on last season) were made up by beating Cardiff (swapped out for Swansea) and Newcastle who we lost to last season. So on those 4 results we’re 5 points up.”

    That reeks of desperation to try and prove a point though I’m not sure what point you are trying to prove….keep digging

  50. Pierre

    Bamford
    “Another thought, though, is that your view is that we cannot compete with City, Chelsea, Liverpool unless we spend as much money as they do — and that this is true regardless of who is manager. Wenger, Emery, Ancelotti, Klopp, Simeone, Jardim … appoint any manager you like, this thinking goes, he’s not going to succeed.”

    Put it this way , do I think Arsenal football club have more chance of competing for the title if we have similar to city and Chelsea, a billion pound to spend then yes I do …..

    Add man United’s fortune that they are spending to try and get back to the top and will continue to spend as they will become more and more desperate for success and you realise that going back to sign Dortmund players as we have with Mhkitaryan,aubamayang and sokratis is not going to get us to that level…

    As I have said before , the last 5 years will go down as a reasonably successful period in Arsenal’s history and Emery will do well to emulate that success in the next 5 years …..I have a feeling Emery prefers winning trophies than trying to achieve the impossible dream of the title and to be honest ,I don’t blame him .

  51. Drey

    “As I have said before , the last 5 years will go down as a reasonably successful period in Arsenal’s history and Emery will do well to emulate that success in the next 5 years”

    Suarez
    Huguain
    Ozil

    etc.. are milestones of these last 5 years.. what exactly is Emery emulating? And please don’t mention the FA cup, Chelsea have won 4 major titles (UCL, EUROPA and EPL), since 2012, City has won 2 Major Trophies hell even Man Utd also won the goddamn Europa yet u want Emery who has won the EUROPA not once, but thrice in that same 5 year period, to “try and emulate” winning the FA cup and preaching “values” to the fans..
    sorry but that’s Bullshit..

    “…..I have a feeling Emery prefers winning trophies than trying to achieve the impossible dream of the title and to be honest ,I don’t blame him .”

    I know this is a bait, so I won’t give you the satisfaction..

    quick question though, when was the last time Arsene Wenger even tried to mount a title challenge?

  52. Marko

    the last 5 years will go down as a reasonably successful period in Arsenal’s history

    Sure will. Was so successful that the manager was sacked. Went from winning titles and competing for titles to being so far away from a title challenge that we’ll be lucky to win a league title within 20 years of the last one. Successful alright. I realize that it still hurts that he’s gone and how he went for you but you gotta realize that he’s not coming back and remember that it’s Arsenal not Arsene and you are an Arsenal fan

  53. TheLegendaryDB10

    Pierre

    I have a feeling Emery prefers winning trophies than trying to achieve the impossible dream of the title and to be honest ,I don’t blame him .

    For you to be saying this is rather contradictory as this is exactly what AW did in his last 13 years at the club(win no “titles”). Won nothing since 2005 and then won 3 FA Cups. The exact thing you cheered on.

    Just be patient and let the players take it all in. Let Unai do his job. Hopefully comes the end of the season we will see some serious improvment. I am sure that Unai will have winning the league in mind.

  54. useroz

    With the Jan TW around the corner and several games coming up before Xmas, thought there would be more interesting discussions than what it’d take to sack Emery this season?! Why would AFC sack him barring he fucks Ozil literally (and got caught)?

    The noises from the media, I hope, are positive signs we’d get a couple of players in Jan, one each for Welbeck and Ramsey. One more would be wow…eg after moving Elneny and/or Jenk on.

    I watched some clips of Flornals and seriously not excited, compared with clips of Havantz. even the Atalanta Amiron (sp?). Said the other day, Havantz would be ideal but expensive. Do we want another midget in MF who seems not that pacy (reminds of Wilshere)? Amiron a tad taller, looks more agile and scores goals (in MLS I know).

    As for wingers, any one of those we are linked would do tbh. Just don’t quite believe AFC would sink 60m+ let me 100 on Demebele.

    AMN could be wasted if Emery (and himself) couldn’t find where he fits in. Feel AMN plays a little casual and lacks that Guendouzi fire. Yes, it’s style but it’d be important. Still recall a 16yo Cesc clattered a certain Vieira and ditto Wilshere in those Barca games? Shows people love the hunger, fire, whatever that is.

    Good news that not many are urging for Emery to bring Nelson back in Jan. A no-no.

  55. useroz

    Love this from Emery interview, esp the last bit about the Pool game.

    Q. Arsenal are unbeaten in 16 matches, in all competitions. What does that mean?

    A. “That there’s still a long way to go. We have had four draws in the last five games, and we need to push the team forward now. I have spoken to my team during the international break. Our objective is to be in the Top 4, but it won’t be easy. Every year it becomes even more difficult to be up there. Everyone was happy against Liverpool [1-1 draw] but we only drew. It’s not enough.”

  56. gonsterous

    useroz

    now imagine wenger answering that question. He would quickly point to the mental strength and try to use this as an excuse to further lower expectations.
    it’s just an interview but it shows a lot of difference between the two managers.
    Let pierre strike me down now for mentioning his saviour

  57. Graham62

    Pierre

    Good morning.

    Nice to see your comments lit a fuse amongst some of us.

    A few absolute classics from yourself once again, which I always put down to one thing, your passion for GOLF. That’s right, a sport where verything has to be near perfect before you even hit the fudging ball. The ideal game for anyone with a mindset geared to data collection.

    Think about it. The grip, the stance, the uptake of the club, the smooth rythmical swing, the contact point and, even after hitting the ruddy ball, that all important follow through. Oh yeh, and let’s not forget maintaining balance throughout.

    “The last 5 years will go down as a reasonably successful period in the clubs history” is up there with your very best. You equate winning 3 FA Cups to a successful period, whereas most other fans would have preferred us to progress further in the CL, be more competitive in the EPL and show a willingness to fight for the course ( and not necessarily win anything); than walk away with 3,dare I say, second rate trophies(?), that merely glossed over all the cracks and flaws.

    Add into the equation the predictable and embarrassing capitulations and hammerings throughout the course of this period. The lack of any visible structure and progression. The boring and disrespectful rhetoric. The lack of belief amongst the players and fans. The Sanchez/Ozil saga and my personal favourite, the manager’s insistence that he felt his negative actions were not having a detremental affect on the club and you have a fudging wonderful 5 year period.

    Oh Pierre, you are a clown.

    Onwards and upwards.

  58. Pierre

    Just a follow on from Emery’s so called smart decision for not starting Torriera in the opening 2 games because he didn’t want to upset the players already at the club

    I’m afraid that’s bullshit ….Guendouzi started the first 2 games so he could have easily started him ( along with Lacazette)and before anyone comes back with Torriera had only just come back from the world cup and he didn’t want to risk him, think of how many players from Tottenham and city who played in the latter stages of the world cup but were back for the beginning of the season,unlike Torriera who was benched.

    The reason I make these points is because everyone seems to hang on Emery’s every word and treat him like the second coming of Jesus Christ …. …..it’s nearly as funny as watching the life of Brian ….he talks as much bullshit as every other manager as far as I’m concerned.

  59. Pierre

    Right in cue one of Emery’s disciples ( Graham) arrives.

    In the late 70’s we had what would be called a reasonably successful period in Arsenal’s history…..we won one FA cup and lost 3 finals and never made a serious challenge for the title but that team are still held in high regard and it was a great time to support the team though we never quite had the success that was deserved.

    That is why I say the last 5 years will historically be regarded as a reasonably successful period in Arsenal’s history …3 trophies and one final defeat.

  60. Pierre

    Graham
    I’m sure if the messiah manages to win 3 trophies(any trophies) in the next 4 years you will be singing his praises …

    I know I will be because it is actually quite dIfficult to win any silverware with the competition at such a high level these days..

  61. Goobergooner

    Pierre,

    Spurs didn’t recruit in the summer so they had reason to play those players returning late from the world cup. How do you think their player fitness will hold up over a season.

    City has quality replacements in every area of the pitch so totally different view on players from them.

    It may have been the wrong move to not Play the players you’re saying, but in hindsight, guen was in form and was tested in a game that was pretty much written off by everyone but yourself it seems, Cech was on fire for the start of the session (except for playing from the back) and xhaka was used instead of torr, who you already mentioned came back late, because he was a senior member of the squad.

    Why rush players back when we have the whole season to bed them in?

  62. Goobergooner

    In saying that, I’d have loved to have won those first two games, the 2nd of which we probably should have. But our whole team performance against city was all over the shop, I really don’t feel that the different personnel would have changed much.

  63. Vivek Arulnathan

    Dissenter

    I’ve been reading Le Grove for over 7 years now. Despite disagreeing with a lot of what Pedro says. I am mature enough to know that people will have a different opinion and I don’t mind reading or hearing it.

    I’ve told Pedro this on Twitter as well, his writing is a lot better when he isn’t having a go at Wenger. And I’d say he should forget Wenger given he was championing a Wenger-less Arsenal for so long. Of course he can write what he wants. I never said he shouldn’t. Just my two cents on what I like about his writing.
    And if I wasn’t aware that I am a non-entity compared to Pedro in the Arsenal blogging world, I wouldn’t be writing comments on his posts. Which you do too. And that makes you as much a non-entity as me.

    If he refers to Wenger because of the Unai Emery interview, that’s perfectly fine. But that chat on bein sports got nothing to do with us anymore. Like Pedro said, he is 70 years old and looking for a job. Leave the man alone and focus on Arsenal.

    Marc…I don’t like the blog so I shouldn’t read it? Maybe if you don’t like my comment, you shouldn’t read it? Which would be an absurd thing to say because how would you know you don’t like it until you read it?Hmm…