A beautiful love story + A SpursLOL + news round-up

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The big rumour doing the rounds yesterday centered on Arsene Wenger. Yes, his next job may be at AC Milan of all places. Who is the CEO there? Ivan bloody Gazidis. That my friends would be Stockholm Syndrome in action.

How can a man who has taken 10 years worth of pelters decide that the best man to solve the absolute shit tip that is AC Milan is Arsene Wenger? he literally spent 3 months of the year meeting the brightest minds in the game. He interviewed them, watched their powerpoint presentations, as he watched our first team burn under our ex-manager.

Now he’s going in for more?

What the f*ck is wrong with him? It’d be ESPECIALLY crazy considering the way he mooched around when Emery landed, talking about the vote, the vision, the new era approaching. I mean, honestly, there are better managers unemployed at the minute. Give Conte a call, he knows Serie A and he’s been passed over for countless jobs. Unreal.

It doesn’t make any logical sense. Wenger has no ability to organise a defence, he won’t have world-class talent at his fingertips and his only tactics are centered around players enjoying themselves.

Not our bloody problem though.

There was quite a lot of debate about Leno and whether his mistakes constituted mistakes for no real reason. I think anyone with eyeballs would realise he’d dropped a clanger, and hopefully he’ll be working hard to iron out his weaknesses from balls in the box.

“It gives me confidence to play in big games like Liverpool. But I think he (Emery) pushes us because nobody is safe to play. I think both of us will play many games & so the performances have to be good. I think we push each other every day in training & in games”

Regardless of my concerns when it comes to his aerial handling, it’s clear he gives us a lot with his agility and excellent footwork. As many folk have rightly pointed out, he’s easily up there with Ederson and Allison when it come to distribution, and that has such a positive impact on the defence in front of him.

There are quite strong rumours that 33-year-old Laurent Koscielny is off this January. The club in question is apparently Aston Villa who need another John Terry like defender to stink out their backline. I’m sad to see the Frenchman go. He’s been consistent in our shoddy defense over the years, and he’s been a rock at times. The ruthlessness of the Emery regime is sometimes a bit jarring, but hey, it’s better than giving 5-year deals to absolute crocks.

Reiss Nelson is up for Bundesliga Rookie of the month. He’s played 11 games, racked up 6 goals and has 1 assist. That’s spectacular considering his tender age. Right up there with the best in the world when it comes to teenagers. Long may that run continue.

Finally, I shall leave you on a LOL. Spurs have been told their ground won’t be ready until at March at the very earliest, and that’s if there are no additional issues. Quite hilarious. What a fucking mess. A joke of a club!

See you in the comments. x

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  1. Dream10

    Leeds

    Thought Monreal’s goals masked his defensive lapses last season. A bit like Vermaelen in his early period for us. Our performances were far better when Ramsey played. Record was too when he wasnt injured

  2. Pierre

    Graham
    “Have you ever gone out and played a round of golf and embarrassed yourself?”

    I had a hole in one at the weekend…..felt a bit embarrassed as I didn’t have my wallet on me to buy everyone a drink in the club house

  3. shaun ellis

    xhaka is not great and although improving I would take two Torreira’s over a xhaka
    Torreira midfield every day and I think most people would .Xhaka’s defensive awareness and lack of mobility are major issues for a center mid.If we are looking to compete then upgrades to welbeck ,Iwobi,mustafi ,xhaka and a left back are the requirements but Emery seems to be making us competitive with what he has and is doing alright just don’t think we are at the level to expect to win games against city,utd,Liverpool and the chavs …..we can and I think we will get better results than we have previously as we are using tactics and planning but we defo need an upgrade on the playing staff but we are not that far off , like most people think the top four is possible

  4. Bamford10

    Leeds

    I appreciate that, Leeds. I can be a bit dogmatic and argumentative at times, but I honestly don’t mean to be a dick. I don’t rate the player in question as highly as some others here do, but if I express my reservations about this player going forward, I’ll try to be more considerate of others’ views. Maybe I am a little too sharp at times. If I do say something that seems unnecessarily or unreasonably negative in the future, feel free to let me know. Cheers.

  5. Leedsgunner

    Bamford

    “If I do say something that seems unnecessarily or unreasonably negative in the future, feel free to let me know. Cheers.”

    Can I quote you on that? 😉

    I guess, for me, having achieved the change of manager and culture, I’m willing to give the new head coach a chance, to see what he can do.

    It’s early days but I’ve found Emery’s tenure so far so refreshing. His man management has been excellent and his enthusiasm for the Arsenal during games infectious.

    I’m just pleased that our squad seems to be raising their game and playing for the shirt. I can’t speak for anyone else but, this is what I wished for.

  6. Receding Hairline

    I don’t see what relevance United beating Juventus last night, using the word beating because we can’t use any other honestly, has to do with our match against them.

    Nor do i see what our match against Liverpool has to do with when we play Spurs or United. Every game has is unique on its own, every game depends on players available to both sides due to injuries or suspensions

    Bamford stop using United’s victory last night to vindicate your point, you had no point to begin with. Are United supposed to lose every game before we play them before one can say we will blow them apart?? When we tore them to pieces at the Emirates two seasons ago did you see that coming??

    Your Iwobi agenda is getting stale too. Iwobi has a manager now who believes in him, acknowledges he is young and wants to make him an efficient player. Emery will not abandon his plans for Iwobi just because Bamford does not rate him.

  7. Un na naai

    DissenterNovember 8, 2018 11:01:00
    Leeds
    Actually you expressed yourself clearly like you usually do.
    The national team drills are no more different from the club sessions. There’s nothing stopping him from getting injured or training for Hoffenheim.
    From an Arsenal perspective, there can be nothing better than an England invite (if it does come). If Reiss is a prodigious talent then there ought to be a distinctive recognitionin of that talent.
    There’s no such thing as “develop in peace” because adversity breeds experience and gives more opportunities to learn. We should welcome every opportunity the lad gets to thrive. It raises his profile and gives us an opportunity to see how good he really is.

    Dissenter

    There is massive evidence to the contrary though. Most players who are persistently used at a high level and at a young age burn out quickly

    Ronaldo was used well by Ferguson and his longevity is eveidence of that
    Messi appears to burning out faster

    Gerrard played longer than Owen. Owen and fowler were over used as teenagers, Gerrard was not due to injury niggles as a teen.
    Football is littered with prodigious teenagers who’s potential was unfulfilled or faded as quickly as they arrived due to negligence. Theo and Rooney being other notable examples.
    I’m notagainst Nelson getting a call up but he must be used sparingly to protect his growing muscles.

  8. Dissenter

    Un na
    You really think Gareth Southgate is about to make Reiss Nelson the lynchpin of his team?
    The invite (if it does happen) is a meet and greet to acknowledge his progress. You can’t claim a player is an exceptional talent then moan when that same player gets exceptional recognition.

    Using Ronaldo as an example actually invalidates whatever point you’ve been making. Ronaldo has payed 154 times for Portugal since he made his debut at the age of 18 years old, same age as Reiss Nelson. It hasn’t affected his longevity.

    It’s all this extraneous noise from Arsenal fans that won’t let the lad develop according to his potential.

  9. Dissenter

    The most common cause of progidy in football is players who are more physically advanced that their peers. They acquire the physicality of adulthood early and this separates them from their peers. When the peers mature and catch up physically the GAO disappears.
    That’s the reason why many of the so called prodigious talents disappear, not due to injuries. Injuries are part of the game, if it happens, it happens.

    Leave Reiss Nelson be. Southgate has experience working with England youth and will help him as much as Nagelsmann.

  10. Leedsgunner

    Dissenter

    “Using Ronaldo as an example actually invalidates whatever point you’ve been making. Ronaldo has payed 154 times for Portugal since he made his debut at the age of 18 years old, same age as Reiss Nelson. It hasn’t affected his longevity.”

    Au contraire… that has more to do with the exceptional athlete and attitude that CR7 has had throughout his career. It says more about him rather than saying it is ok to overplay youngsters.

    Even as a teenager, at Man Utd, the senior pros like Scholes and Ferdinand have subsequently commented how how super disciplined Ronaldo was in everything he did… he was a consummate professional and he did everything he could to maximise his prodigious talent with a fantastic work ethic.

    My original point still remains valid, I want his best performances for Arsenal Football Club, and his performances for England are secondary.

  11. Leedsgunner

    Looks like Joe W.illock won’t be playing tonight.

    He dominated with the U21s last night in the Checkatrade Trophy… and led them to victory.

    I really hope he gets a look in during the Carabao Cup and the next Europa League game after tonight especially if we win tonight.

    It’s clear that he’s ready to make the step up to the first team. If Ramsey goes in January, he should be able to give the cameo performances that Ramsey has so far.

  12. Countryboy

    Tottenham in trouble with Advertising Standards Agency over stadium ad promising Champions League football – Daily Cannon
    Nov 8, 2018
    Tottenham Hotspur are in a spot of trouble with the Advertising Standards Agency over their ad that promised their new stadium would be the only place to watch Champions League football in London this season.

    With Tottenham’s stadium not ready to open and no date yet set for the first game, it seems increasingly unlikely the venue will host any Champions League football this season as Spurs get ready to crash out in the group stages.

    On the back of their ad promising it to be the only place to watch that specific competition in the nation’s capital, Darren Boyle, an enterprising Arsenal fan, contacted the ASA about its misleading nature.

    This was their response:

    Thank you for contacting the Advertising Standards Authority (ASA).

    Your Complaint: Tottenham Hotspur Ltd

    I understand from your complaint that you felt that Tottenham Hotspur’s advertising was misleading because the stadium in the ad has not yet been completed and therefore it is unlikely that fans will get to see Tottenham play at the new stadium in the Champions League.

    We have concluded that the ad was likely to have breached the Advertising Rules that we apply and I am writing to let you know that we have taken steps to address this.

    We have explained your concems to the advertiser and provided guidance to them on the areas that require attention, together with advice on how to ensure that their advertising complies with the Codes.

    Comments such as yours help us to understand the issues that matter to consumers and we will keep a record of your complaint on file for use in future monitoring.

    Thank you once again for contacting us with your concerns.
    Kind regards

    Boyle told Daily Cannon when we asked him why he had contacted the ASA, “I contacted the ASA because I felt it was my public duty to inform them of this egregious breach of advertising standards and they agreed with me.

    “The homeless crowd from Middlesex made claims that they could not substantiate. Some might say that I am quite petty in making that complaint, although I feel this is unfair.

    “There could be impressionable children out there looking at these ads and making lifetime choices.

    “If I save one child from becoming a Tottenham fan and suffering a lifetime of disappointment, then it will be all worthwhile.”

    Legend.

  13. Receding Hairline

    Leeds absolutely love how you follow the fortunes of the youth team to know who is likely to make the step up.

    Some posters on here i won’t name just want us to get the latest exotic name from outside forgetting those players were also trained by a club

  14. Countryboy

    “If I save one child from becoming a Tottenham fan and suffering a lifetime of disappointment, then it will be all worthwhile.”Legend.

  15. Leedsgunner

    “If I save one child from becoming a Tottenham fan and suffering a lifetime of disappointment, then it will be all worthwhile.”

    Fantastic.

    If we qualify for the Champions’ League next season — we should put that quote in BIG LETTERS (for the benefit of Spurs fans) and plaster it all over the Emirates… especially if Tottenham miss out.

    A bit rich, Spurs advertising Champions League football for next season when the race for those places is nowhere near concluded. Spurs flatter to deceive… they will bottle it… especially if they don’t strengthen in January.

  16. China1

    Pierre read your own commentary and ask yourself how anyone would read into your comments that you are genuinely enjoying what you’re seeing. Every positive is usually listed with a huge caveat and it’s sonewhat telling that when 80% of the posters here are openly positive and enjoying themselves you still find yourself in the wars with them every day.

    Lastly, graham described having torreira and guen as good disciplined holding players as great positives and you replied to him saying his positives were twaddle. Next minute you’re agreeing with him that you’re happy about having disciplined players at DM and that ‘who wouldnt’ be enjoying that?

    Can you work out exactly what it is you think or want and stop fighting with people when you are literally flapping between entirely contradictory opinions in the space of one afternoon lol. Based on your last comment you agree with graham. Sounds good to me

  17. Leedsgunner

    Receding

    I’m not opposed to bringing in exceptional outside talent but if we can I think we should try to bring through our own provided they are good enough (most importantly).

    I’m really excited for our youth team, we have a great coach in Freddie Ljungberg directing the U23s and Per is doing a good job too. I’m really excited to see W.illock, Reiss Nelson, ESR and Nketiah as first team players under Emery. He has a great track of developing youth players and making them better.

    With transfer prices what they are every player we can bring on into the first team saves us millions… millions we can spend strengthen key areas with WC talent.

    We need to be better desperately quickly at, achieving good sale prices for the players we let go.

    Coquelin, Gabriel and Sczesney were all very much undersold in the present market… £10m for Sczesney? Especially when he’s no.1 for Juve?

    If we start getting better prices for the players we sell, even those youth players who don’t quite make it should provide a handy pot of funds to supplement our transfer pot.

  18. Marko

    Under 23’s I believe. Don’t think Joe willock is going to make it if we’re honest much tougher for a midfielder and when Ramsey leaves we’re much more likely to replace from outside

  19. Marc

    China

    The reason Pierre comes across as he does is because he’s desperate for Emery to fail so he can claim Wenger would have done better. He can’t back Emery now and then slate him and he can’t slag Emery off because the results don’t warrant it.

    So he’s stuck in a position of trying to stay onside whilst waiting to pounce on our first bad result.

  20. Marko

    I just wish we had gotten rid of you know who sooner and not lost Gnabry, Malen or Chris Willock so soon. I see the improvement Iwobi and Holding have made the chances Smith Rowe is getting and the intelligent loan of Nelson and you can’t help but wonder what might have been.

  21. Countryboy

    Apparently David Baldwin
    – Ramsey’s agent was also involved in brokering Lucas Torreira’s move to Arsenal from Sampdoria.

    Makes you wonder if there is any truth to the stories about Ramsey’s agent over playing his hand. The guy wasn’t unknown to the club. He had just brokered a great deal for the club.

    Something tells me it was Ramsey who doubled down and instructed his agent to act as he did. I mean, if the agent bungled it, Ramsey should have had him fired.
    Anyway, good riddance

  22. Marko

    Something tells me it was Ramsey who doubled down and instructed his agent to act as he did

    I’d say so. It’s one of the reasons I hate this poor Aaron and stupid Arsenal narrative that seems to be kicking about. He’s not vital he’s not indispensable and he’s flirted with the idea of wanting to leave before only nobody ever really tried for him so loyalty my ass. And we’ve made offers to him and he’s refused. It’s obvious he wanted big bucks and his form dropped off a cliff and smarter heads decided that he isn’t worth it and they’re right

  23. Leedsgunner

    We will never know what really happened in the Ramsey saga outside the club, but it is a good thing that we are refusing to be bullied by players.

    No man is bigger than the club.

  24. Pierre

    China
    “Lastly, graham described having torreira and guen as good disciplined holding players as great positives and you replied to him saying his positives were twaddle”

    Sorry to say but you are making a bit of an idiot of yourself …it was me who described Torriera and Guendouzi as disciplined,holding midfielders as great positives …..have a check …Graham was rambling on about the usual rubbish.

    Anyone who has been reading my comments over the last few years would know that I have been calling for exactly what we have now…2 holding ,disciplined midfielders who do not get ahead of the ball …..I had many an argument in here about the lack of discipline of Ramsey and the sooner he !saves the club the better.

    I couldn’t be happier that we now have a manager who understands that having 2 disciplined midfielders is what we have been missing for too long.

    Also I couldn’t be happier that he started aubamayang,Mhkitaryan,Ozil and Lacazette in a tough match v Liverpool and I hope he continues with that philosophy as I regard those 4 as being as good as attacking line up as there is in the prem.

  25. Marko

    aubamayang,Mhkitaryan,Ozil and Lacazette in a tough match v Liverpool and I hope he continues with that philosophy as I regard those 4 as being as good as attacking line up as there is in the prem

    Yep sure we’ll just forget about Mhiki’s poor form and how Özil is back to being inconsistent.

  26. Rambo Ramsey

    I don’t think Pierre’s recent behavior has anything to do with Wenger.

    Clearly he used to derive some form of ego boost by portraying the Super fan, ‘Holier than thou’ bollocks on here.

    He’s lost what made him special(atleast in his infantile head) , now that everybody is totally behind the team. So he’s lashing back, like a child that has had its favorite toy taken away.

  27. Graham62

    China1

    My comment was based on the positives of no more predictable “capitulations” which Pierre typically brushed aside as insignificant “twaddle”.

    I saw this as a positive way before our young guns, Torreira and Guendouzi, came on the scene.

    Interesting to see how he reacts should Emery loses a game 8-2.

    @Pierre.

    Just to let you know, I’ve also hit a hole in one and I only play golf once a decade.

  28. Pierre

    Marc
    “The reason Pierre comes across as he does is because he’s desperate for Emery to fail so he can claim Wenger would have done better. ”

    Oh dear ,is that the best you can do .

    Will repeat again ,I was calling for Ramsey and giroud to leave the club years ago ..2 players that were wenger favourites who would always find a way into the team .

    That being the case ,why would I want wenger to stay and continue his policy of picking players that I believed were not fit for purpose…

    Emery’s early selections were confusing …no Lacazette, no Torriera….Ramsey as CAM… Cech playing out from the back ….ozil on the wing hardly in the game ..but he has rectified this and consequently the team is looking better for it …

  29. Pierre

    Marko
    “Yep sure we’ll just forget about Mhiki’s poor form and how Özil is back to being inconsistent”

    In your opinion, not mine…

    They both played for the team v Liverpool …

  30. Pierre

    “China…My comment was based on the positives of no more predictable “capitulations” which Pierre typically brushed aside as insignificant “twaddle”.”

    Thank you Graham for confirming that China was talking out of his arse.

  31. Graham62

    Emery, I can assure you, would openly promote his embarrassment and shame if Arsenal were to lose so heavily as often and consistently as our predecessor did.

    One other point to bear in mind, I can guarantee he would have also walked away from his post, out of respect for the club and it’s fans.

  32. Marko

    In your opinion, not mine…They both played for the team v Liverpool …

    I mean it’s a step up for Ozil from his usual utterly abject disappearing act he does in big games. I mean the best you a most devout Ozil fanboy can say about his Liverpool performance is that he played for the team. Well it’s better than nothing I guess. If he was 20 and making those kinds of performances you could probably see some potential but he’s 30 now

  33. Marko

    My point which could be lost in having yet another pointless debate with Pierre about Ozil is that we do not have a front 4 as good as anything in the premier league instead it’s a case of having two great strikers and that’s it. Mhiki’s form and Ozil’s inconsistencies are not as good as anything in the premier league. They could be better and we could ultimately do with better players

  34. Pierre

    Also had many arguments on here regarding spurs 2 holding midfielders dembele and dier/wanyama.

    Many on here are convinced that dembele is a box to box midfielder…..he isn’t ..

    So don’t be surprised when the usual suspects start calling Torriera or xhaka box to box midfielders….they’re not.

    They sit in and protect the defence ,they rarely ,if ever ,are ahead of the ball and they play with discipline and composure ……perfect

  35. Graham62

    Can someone explain to me why not seeing any more “capitulations” is not seen as a positive?

    Can someone also explain to me why seeing Arsenal trying to play proper Football, for the first time in over a decade, is not seen as a positive?

    Finally, can someone please explain to me why highlighting these points is seen, by some, as a negative.

    Oh yeh, that’s right…….. Embarrassment and GUILT!

  36. Pierre

    Marko
    To be honest ,I wouldn’t mind seeing Mhkitaryan(as I have said previously) in the CAM role as he links up better with Aubamayang … Not exactly an ” ozil fanboy” comment is it .

  37. Graham62

    I can give you a list of a hundred “positives” that occurred as soon as our predecessor departed the scene and prior to Emery’s arrival.

    Of course, it’s all insignificant “twaddle”.

    Silly me.

  38. China1

    Ah I reread you comment from earlier and it’s true I misread it

    It’s still amusing that you think not capitulating easily on a regular basis is a ‘Twaddle’ positive tho lol

    As for where the wrong end of the golf club went, I’m bad enough at that sport that I wouldn’t make any guarantees about where it’s gone

  39. China1

    One of the best lessons I’ve learned in my 29 years is that it really doesn’t hurt to admit when you get it wrong.

    Like me with your comment – like me with believing that xhaka was uncoachable and you with wenger… damn the last one never happened

    But still… the thought was there at least

  40. Joe

    It was wenger who said Xhaka was a box to box.

    What an idiot wenger was. Clueless really.

    So good we have a manager who knows how to use his players.

  41. Joe

    Hilarious that bam and Pierre are questions Emery’s decisions about how where and when to use our players as Emery has taken us on a 13 match unbeaten streak

    Think he knows what he’s doing.

  42. Marko

    So don’t be surprised when the usual suspects start calling Torriera or xhaka box to box midfielders….they’re not.They sit in and protect the defence

    If Xhaka has been largely improved this season then Torreira’s influence in the Swiss midfielder’s displays should not be overestimated, as he himself concedes.

    “Lucas gives us good balance in the team between offence and defence,” Xhaka said.

    “He lets me play my game with the ball and go a bit more in front. I am happy with him.

    Somewhere between holding and going forward… sounds box to box

  43. Dissenter

    “That being the case ,why would I want wenger to stay and continue his policy of picking players that I believed were not fit for purpose…”
    So you’re admitting that you criticized the said players for the decline of the club… just as you always went after the majority owner, referees and even the grass
    ….but you never criticized Wenger directly.

    I recall you lambasting Kroenke every time we suffered a horrific loss to run interference for Wenger.

    That AKB post should have been kept for archival puporses to use to describe your kind.

  44. Paulinho

    Difference is, Torreira actually has the ability to play ahead and behind the ball, and join the attack and threaten goal.

    You need multi-dimensional players that can adapt and do what the game demands. We played well against Liverpool but didn’t look like scoring in a month of Sundays after they took the lead, so what did Torreira do? Took it upon himself to play higher up the pitch, play a one-two with Lacazette, and try and actually take responsibility, because the players ahead of him at that point weren’t doing much. Those our the players you need to actually compete at the top.

  45. Leedsgunner

    Nacho is out definitely for this evening. If it was up to me, I would draft in Ainsley Maitland Niles as an emergency left back… rather than Xhaka.

    If at all possible, I think these players need to be rested for the EPL, Torreira, Xhaka, Lacazette, Bellerin and Holding.

    I would play:

    Cech

    Lich – Mustafi – Sokratis – AMN

    Guendouzi

    Ramsey – Emile Smith Row – Welbeck

    Eddie Nketiah

    Subs

    Martinez
    Mhkitaryan
    PEA
    Özil
    Bellerin
    Holding
    Iwobi

  46. Leedsgunner

    Cech

    Lich – Mustafi – Sokratis – AMN

    Guendouzi

    Ramsey – Emile Smith Row – Welbeck

    Mhkitaryan

    Eddie Nketiah

    Subs
    Martinez
    Xhaka
    PEA
    Özil
    Bellerin
    Holding
    Iwobi

  47. Marko

    As much as I think Xhaka has improved recently I think our midfield would be even better with two midfielders who can tackle intercept and read the game. I think Torreira can do the things that Xhaka offers us and I believe with a proper DM we’d be even better.

  48. Paulinho

    Freddie – it’s odd then how the highest valued Nigerian couldn’t even keep his place in their average national team then during the World Cup.

  49. Dream10

    Marko & Paulinho

    If we’re looking to replace Xhaka with another defensive minded player, need to make sure he’s a quality passer. Granit, for all of his faults, is one of the leaders in the PL in getting the ball into the final third. That’s probably one of the things Torreira doesn’t have. Guendouzi can do it, but he’s naive defensively.

    Having two more quality passers at CM would help us offensively. Can really hurt teams that way. A rotation of a two new passing CMs, Torreira, Xhaka and Guendouzi as the fifth option would be class.

  50. Freddie Ljungberg

    His value has gone up (according to them) by 15m euros in the last 2 months so obviously they think he’s been improving.

    I wasn’t one of those desperate to sell him in the summer but I also didn’t think he was good enough for us, but he had age and homegrown status on his side so was willing to give him more time.
    The way he’s playing now and again factoring in his age he can become a useful player for us, already is infact since we don’t have anyone else that takes on players and drives forward like him.

  51. Paulinho

    Dream10 – Torreira is more likely to keep it simply, but he has the ability play those Xhaka passes through the lines pretty easily. He actually does it more than people think, even against Liverpool he played quite a few raking passes down the middle, and of course he did against Leicester for our third goal.

    I would rather a player more comfortable facing the press than a long passer that can only do those passes when he’s got enough space to turn. Players like Edu could pass it well, but also had mobility, and just way more to their game, so like Torreira, could do different things in different scenarios.

  52. gambon

    I would say we certainly need to replace Xhaka with better if we are to compete at the top of the game.

    That said, to win the PL and challenge for the CL, we would need to replace almost the whole team.

    Xhaka has far too many flaws to be a world class player. Unbelievably slow, cant turn, makes far too many mistakes, has literally no ability to run with the ball, barely scores goals.

    Top teams have midfielders that can control a game, but with far more complete games.

  53. Paulinho

    Freddie – I’ve always been neutral on Iwobi. I don’t think he has improved this year, and yet I never thought he was garbage like some seem to think he was a couple of years ago.

    I remember his performances when he first broke into the team, and they were impressive; easily as impressive as anything I’ve seen since. His problem is he cannot sustain anything. His best asset his his ball control and dribbling but even then he struggles to maintain those when starting two or three games in a row.

    Even this season Emery has dropped him a couple of times because whenever he starts him consistently he invariably puts in a poor performance like he did against Crystal Palace.

    Emery has gotten more out of all our players in terms of attitude and application but I don’t see any improvement in Iwobi’s weak areas. For a wide forward Emery will be looking for someone that can actually shoot for a start.

  54. Freddie Ljungberg

    I agree he has to become more consistent if he’s going to be a starter long term, but for now he’s the only winger we have so will have to live with his flaws, hopefully he keeps improving under a proper coach, he certainly seems to have more confidence in himself now.

    We still need to buy a goalscoring winger in January and then evaluate where we are with Iwobi and Nelson in the summer imo.

  55. bennydevito

    I think it’s far too early for calls to get rid of Iwobi, even under Wenger he showed flashes of brilliance so let’s see how he is after a full season Emerying rather than calls to splash the cash.

    His cameo appearance against Liverpool alone was enough to justify giving him more time, to get rid now would be foolish imo.

  56. Globalgunner

    The player I most compare Iwobi too is Leroy Sane at Citeh. They both play essentially the same position and are both the same age. Is iwobi as good as Sane?. No. But he is already much better this season than any other. If the 2 players had been in each others team before now. Sane would be worse.Iwobi would be better
    There is hope for Iwobi under Emery

  57. gambon

    benny

    I wouldnt get rid of Iwobi at all. For me hes a squad player, not a first team player.

    But Im not sure what we are supposed to be waiting for?

    3 seasons of Iwobi, and absolutely nothing to suggest he has real quality about him. Hes never going to be a Sterling, or a Hazard, or a Salah – but we’re trying to compete with clubs that have them exact players in the same position.

  58. mysticleaves

    Quick to point out that with Iwobi’s weaknesses and flaws this season he has 1 goal and 5 assists. Was a real presence in the Chelsea and Liverpool games (top 6 teams) and made goal scoring contributions.

    I am happy to see how his career goes but I am happy he’s on the right part and still believe he can be a good winger/CAM crossbreed. If he leaves he will still be in a relevant UCL club in Europe just like Coquelin.

  59. bennydevito

    gambon,

    Agreed about Xhaka but I think he’s already showing signs of improvement that would justify perservering with for a season or 2 while Emery works out our best system and gets improvements out of other underperforming Wengerised players.

    As for replacing the whole squad, well I wouldn’t agree with that and we don’t have City’s money either, but over the next 2 – 3 windows I suspect the likes of Ramsey, Welbeck, Monreal to be replaced either internally or with shrewd buying.

  60. bennydevito

    gambon,

    Re Iwobi, yes I would agree with that summary defo but hold out hope he may surprise us with some proper coaching and man management.

  61. mysticleaves

    global gunner

    I made the assertion that I see a lot of Sane in Iwobi and i was almost stoned to death. coaching influence is the reason Sane is this good. He’s better than Iwobi in taking shots and speed though but iwobi is better defensively and is no slouch. Their dribbling and fearlessness could be on par if Iwobi continues taking the drills being handed to him by Arsenal coaches.

  62. Marko

    Iwobi is nothing like Sane. He’s doing well but that’s about it but Sane is significantly better.

    As for the Xhaka stuff I’m not necessarily advocating for his removal or necessarily criticizing him during a period where he has improved but I’m saying as much as it has improved this season (thanks to Torreira) our midfield could still do with being better and can still improve. We were never one player (not quite counting on Guendouzi just yet) away from addressing it. I maintain someone like Kondogbia or Ndombele or even Neves or a Tousart alongside Torreira could be even better

  63. Joe

    I remember his performances when he first broke into the team, and they were impressive; easily as impressive as anything I’ve seen since

    He didn’t have much of a chance after wenger got a hold of him. You can already see the difference Emery is making with him

    He deserves a year or so under Emery to
    See what he can do.

    Sane had pep managing him, Iwobi had wenger.

    Not fair to compare them at this juncture of their careers.

  64. bennydevito

    gambon,

    Isn’t it nice to be back on LG again though? I do miss the old days of 9am daily posts that lasted years but understandibly after Wenger depressed us all and Pedro moving to the states the daily posts stopped.

    Do you ever listen to the podcasts? Hilarious and brilliant in equal measures.

    Are you back attending any games?

  65. bennydevito

    Are there any Grovers on here who gave up their season tickets but now wish they hadn’t? Is it easy to get them back or is there a 5 year waiting list still?

  66. Marko

    I think we’ll end up seeing Emery replace the vast majority of the squad eventually. It’ll be more gradual instead of more instant like what City are capable of but 5 players signed on a 70 million budget in one summer is a start and don’t be surprised if you see more happening next summer with possible champions league money. Likely a couple fullbacks and a couple of wingers with another CM coming in (Elneny and Ramsey certain to go) in the next January/summer windows. Would also imagine a CB with Kos and Chambers going. Question is what caliber of signings will they be?

  67. gambon

    Benny

    I think its just great that Arsenal have hope again. If Wenger was still here we would 100% know what was going to happen this year.

    At least things are changing, even if im a bit sceptical how much we have improved so far.

    I went to the legends game but that was more of a piss up, and I will get up to a few games this season.

  68. Pierre

    Dissenter
    “I recall you lambasting Kroenke every time we suffered a horrific loss to run interference for Wenger.”

    You are another who is misrepresenting what I am saying ,just as China did earlier.

    Kronke or off the field problems is not something that have particularly interested me …What does interest me is the football on the pitch.

    Most of what is spoken about off field in the media is bullshit …kronke has never interested me at all when wenger was the manager , in fact I have said more about kronke in the last few weeks than I have done in the previous ten years.

  69. bennydevito

    gambon,

    I’m going to see if I can take my 12 yr old son at some point this season for his first ever game, in fact if any Grovers can help me get 2 tickets side by side at some point after Xmas that would be great.

  70. Un na naai

    Xhaka has far too many flaws to be a world class player. Unbelievably slow, cant turn, makes far too many mistakes, has literally no ability to run with the ball, barely scores goals.

    Gambon

    You’re pretty much describing most of the worlds most successful deep lying playmakers

    Pirlo, xabi Alonso, late Scholes, carrick. We don’t need him to do all of this things and it’s clear that our midfield is better with him. Chelsea and palace games being prime example. Games we should have won. Games he wasn’t in midfield