Wingers on the lips

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Arsene Wenger is rocking the papers of the world hard, he wants in on ALL the jobs. Le Parisien is reporting that PSG are after him to replace the outgoing sporting director, Henrique. This is a really fucking weird move. If you’d paid any attention to Wenger over the past 15 years, you’d know firstly, picking out elite talent really hasn’t been his thing, and you’d also know that he was a world class ditherer.

‘Buying players isn’t like buying a loaf of bread’

Until we hired in competent people and reworked the entire spin of our team in 6 months and two windows. If the concern with Henrique is he didn’t get deals over the line, why would you bring in someone who let the contracts of Mesut, Sanchez and Ramsey crash into the danger zone?

The same paper also reckons Wenger is pushing for a sniff at Madrid and Bayern. I’d be happy to see him land both jobs. So would all the fans, regardless of the opinion they have of him. Let him go to one of those clubs, let him maybe win a trophy, just give him a little bit of a fun at a crisis club for a short amount of time before it all goes wrong and all the things that have degraded Arsenal hit him harder than a freight train at clubs that have seen what good coaching looks like.

Emery was in full on praise mode when it came to free-scoring Lacazette.

“When I arrived at PSG we were thinking about signing Lacazette. His quality & his characteristics we liked, & the people who were working at the club when we arrived, they said to us, ‘This player has the quality to play for PSG'”

“Last year was his first in the Premier League, it was a different to the French league, a different position for him, a different rhythm. Not a different mentality because he has a very good mentality & gives himself very good chances to score. He is very efficient”

Big words. He’s certainly been excellent this season. He’s the more well rounded of our strikers, he’s just not as physical as you’d like for the Premier League. That said, he scores bangers, he brings people into games and he looks like a great character to have in and around the dressing room. Hopefully, we get to see a bit more a plan about how to integrate him and his main bro, Aubameyang.

There’s a little transfer rumour going around that Arsenal are on standby to take Malcolm from Barca if the player continues to get the cold should from the manager over there. It was odd that he moved there in the first place, I’d have thought Arsenal or Roma were much more suited, and it’s clearly gone to shite so far. Could be a good loan move in January, where we’re really lacking true wide players.

That said, look no further than Reiss Nelson who scored two goals yesterday, taking his total to 4 in 4. Sancho and Reiss making a real point out in Germany, hopefully, their success points to a more traveled future for young English players. If we need to make a move on a wide player, why not bring back a superstar English kid working his socks off and delivering?

I really do think it’s a sign of the times that we have youth players good enough to be considered at other big leagues for loan moves. Smith Rowe is apparently on the radar of Thierry Henry, another move that’d make a lot of sense if he’s going to stay on the bench most of the season here.

Right, that’s me done, see you in the comments.

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  1. Globalgunner

    Wenger: the man you appoint when you want to pretend you are competing. He comes armed with 1000 ready made excuses

  2. nepGunner

    “Thanks for your patience during this difficult time.”

    Pedro, considering what we AFC fans (at least me) in the last 10 years, that was walk in the park.. In a sunny afternoon with shades & shorts, gin tonic in one hand,the other hand over my gal’s shoulder and my gal handling my dog’s leash. A stroll

  3. nepGunner

    Besides the known deficiencies at our defence, a ball playing wide attacker is a must in our current setup to provide alternate angle to our attack as well as an potent outlet for our midfielders

  4. Graham62

    One thing I never quite understood with the Ozil deal was how the hell was it considered the cheapest option?

    £350k a week for 3 years works out at around £54.6 million. Bearing in mind no one else( apart from Beijing Wanderers) can afford those wages or would even consider giving him that amount of money, it beggars belief how they came to this conclusion.

    Wenger and Gazidis should be hung, drawn and quartered for this decision alone.

    Can someone explain this to me in layman’s terms.

  5. Upstate Gooner

    Graham62 Let me explain this to you. A player of Ozil’s caliber would cost at least 40-50mil to replace if he left on a free. So if anything, we got ourselves a bargain. Simple math. You should practice it sometimes.

  6. mysticleaves

    Graham62

    Let the Ozil deal go. Talk about better things. He’s here for 2 more years.

    Another thing. Do people attach physicality to height? Cos a lot of people say Lacazettte is not physical and i am like wow. He’s one of the more physical strikers in the PL top6

  7. Pierre

    Graham 62
    Please accept my sincere apologies ….

    I thought that you acting like a prick was all an act ,I thought you was playing a game on le grove but I got it all wrong …I’ve now come to the conclusion that you are ,without doubt, a 100% prick .

    So again , I apologise..

  8. Pierre

    Mysticleaves
    I agree with you regarding Lacazette…in my opinion I believe he is better at protecting the ball and stronger on the ball than giroud ever was…

    Plus he is a better finisher…we need to keep feeding the ball into Lacazette ‘s feet in the area as he is capable of doing damage to the opposition.

    I like the fact Emery recognises that he can go to another level .

  9. Graham62

    Pierre

    Based on your ongoing “spineless” and “dysfunctional” reactions to so many things on here, I don’t give a shite how you perceive me.

    Stick to golf.

    Onwards and upwards.

  10. Receding Hairline

    Mystic its the height

    Lacazette is as physical as they come but the height makes u ignore that. If I’m being honest his height is the only reason I never quite fancied him when he was at Lyon

  11. Dissenter

    There’s a saying that hold true for all sports; You cannot buy height.
    Height isn’t physicality and I’ve never seen anyone confuse the two.

    Lacazette isn’t a physical striker. He’s not they type of player that relishes physicality like Alan Shearer. That doesn’t mean he’s a wimp though.

  12. Marko

    Wenger looking after PSG’s transfers is about the funniest thing. You know he’d have signed Bernard instead of Neymar Mustafi instead of Thiago Silva and Xhaka instead of Verratti. He’d honestly be a disaster if I was him I’d stay retired and maybe take up a tv gig somewhere. Not sky though please

  13. omar

    Thats smart, give a man who abhors Sporting Directors the role of Sporting Director.

    “No. I don’t know what director of football means. Is it somebody who stands in the road and directs play right and left? I don’t understand and I never did understand what it means.”

    Accident waiting to happen.

  14. Champagne charlie

    Lol at giving Wenger career advice..

    Yea, I’m sure he’s going to seek counsel from his neighbourhood postman on what new venture to take in a career of elite football management – a career he’s excelled at.

    But yea “stay retired” because a guy working in Greggs says he would in the same position 😀

  15. Joe

    Wenger appears before the cameras to announce his first signings for PSG

    “ I would like to introduce zee first signing I have made for PSG, please welcome ….

    Sanago.

    Also, we have sold Neymar, he would have killed ze Sanago”

  16. UTarse

    “So if anything, we got ourselves a bargain. Simple math. You should practice it sometimes.”

    Upstate,
    Whilst you maybe a dab hand at simple arithmetic, business acumen is probably not your strong point.

  17. Marko

    Oh Charlie… you’re right he needs the money come back.

    a career he’s excelled at.

    Definitely hasn’t excelled at signings

  18. Goobergooner

    I agree with Omar, Wenger is the biggest hypocrite ever if he takes a sporting director role after what he said.

    But I’d really love for him to join another big club and see how a few on here react.

    And I also agree with you Marko,
    Seeing how Wenger went about spending over the last 5 years should show anyone in a position of hiring him that he has lost it in that area. Went from Thierry’s and cazorla’s to xhaka and Mustafi. That being said he never was one for buying proper defenders.

    You never know, if he heads to say psg, his attacking philosophy on top of an already built psg defense may bear some fruit. It is nearly a given for them in the league though. So not sure I’d put it down to Wenger if they win the league. If he manages a cl, then I will re-bow to the messiah. Won’t hold my breath though.

  19. Joe

    Let wenger take a big job in peace

    If you think the last dozen years was embarrassing for the specialist is failure

    Just grab a beer , sit back and watch wenger make a fool of himself even more at his new job

  20. David Smith

    Graham62, wonder if the Adidas deal was something to do with keeping Ozil, at all costs?
    Also read somewhere that wage bought the club some of his image rights, which are substantial., he is one of the more marketable players around believe it or not.
    But can’t back either claim up for what is a massive wage, I hope there is more than meets the eye with that deal.
    As for Wenger, cannot see an elite club touching him with a coaching role at least. Still see his future in Japan, a lot of mutual respect there

  21. Marko

    Also read somewhere that wage bought the club some of his image rights

    Honestly doubt that. One thing doesn’t justify the other

  22. Marko

    No I get that Joe I just think he had us over a barrel with our pants down and the idea that he gave up some of his image rights is ridiculous because it’d be worth more and it’s the kind of thing players usually don’t give up without a fight

  23. Joe

    Guess maybe he realized it was he accept that or he go to his only other choice , Turkey, and make half the money.

    Just throwing theories out there. Who knows what the truth is.

  24. Goobergooner

    So what is being said, ozil was given a new super contract essentially to sell shirts? Can’t have been performance related that’s for sure, even with his chances created stat being right up there.

    If that is the case Stan k does love his moolah, but is way more stupid than he looks. Surely a competitive team brings more than one bloke with a massive online fanbase.

  25. Marko

    Truth is he took us to the cleaners and that’s that some people can try to justify it and try to spin it but it is what it is

  26. Joe

    Anyway you slice it, it’s a bad contract

    Unless he lights it up for the rest of the deal and helps us win the Europa, league and CL in the next 3 years :-)))))

  27. David Smith

    Who knows the truth. Wenger has his faults but this goes a bit beyond his well reported socialist wage structure. If it was down to Ivan, then Stewart Robson is right, he really is a shit negotiator.
    Cannot see the new guys who were by then in place going along with that deal, and cannot see Stan signing that wage off without something more than Ozil is providing on the pitch to substantiate it.
    My money is on commercials, and partial , even substantial offset of that wage via image rights. Nothing else makes any sense.

  28. Goobergooner

    I am so damn keen for the game later. 6 am is the most reasonable time i can watch live apart from the first Saturday game usually 1030pm here. Though a few beers and a 2am game doesn’t go astray.

  29. Goobergooner

    Cutter,

    You and I both know there is a few people wetting their whistles over that announcement of sorts haha

  30. Goobergooner

    Also I think xg is up there with pre assist for shite stats. Yeah it’s nice to look at some numbers, but the game isn’t played on paper. If that was the case we should beat everyone below us from last season and only lose to the top 4. Not going to include spuds in that, the shit kents. Also every shot from inside the 6 yard box with only the keeper to beat should be put in every time. Obviously that isn’t the case.

    I agree we have been lucky. But about damn time. We have quite the strike force, just the middle of the park backwards is average. We don’t have the team to win the league (please prove me wrong, especially xhaka Mustafi and bellerin haha), but we are moving in the right direction and I couldn’t be happier with this season so far.

  31. Joe

    Who on here was telling us he was right by saying Tottenham isn’t that good and all are all hype?

    2 points off the top and can go to top of the table with win v city next week

    Oh right, that would be Bam

  32. Joe

    Now before anyone (pierre) goes old man crazy , I’m not a spurs lover just pointing out some of the posters are here get ahead of themselves after one or two matches

    Like when someone says “ be careful what you wish for rings true” 3 matches into Emery’s reign

  33. Steiner

    Spurs *spit do have a light squad, a couple of injuries and they will drop points.
    Especially if those injuries are in midfield, Kane isn’t rounded enough as a player to drop deep and pick up the ball nor build play, and without him they may struggle for goals.

  34. TonyD

    Wilshire says in today’s DM if Wenger stayed, he would have stayed.

    Nothing bonus for us with Wenger being fired imo.

    Alex Cutter
    Funny

  35. Emiratesstroller

    I have just read the latest interview of Emery regarding January and future transfers.

    The first point he has made is that there have been currently no plans to bring in any new players in January. It is in his view far too early to do so. Also he is not a a great fan of doing business in that transfer window, which is more or less what most other top managers have stated in past.

    Second all transfers are decided at Arsenal by “Committee” between Emery,
    Sanhelli, Mislintat and the MD. Decisions are taken based on both “Sporting
    and Commercial” considerations.

    He confirmed also that Arsenal continue to operate a “self sustaining business” model.

    He was asked about the Ramsey decision, but declined to comment. However,
    based on what he said above the conclusion has to be that the management have made their decision based on the factors raised above.

    Personally I doubt that it was made on sporting reasons, because Ramsey despite some negative posts is a decent professional player who has been at club 10 years. The obvious conclusion is that the decision has been taken for commercial reasons. The player and/or his agent has demanded too much factoring player’s current financial expectations.

    One of the major factors seldom discussed in transfers is not just the wages,
    but also the side considerations such as agents fees and player’s bonus demands. These can often increase the cost to an additional £30 million+

    Frankly I do not believe that Arsenal would have argued about paying Ramsey
    £200K pw [£10 million pa]. There are today many equivalent players at other leading clubs on such salaries. Frankly the demands of player and agent must
    have been far more and outweighed his value.

  36. Alexanderhenry

    Pedro

    You seem overly concerned with wenger’s career post arsenal.
    Continuing to refer him vis a vis arsenal is acceptable – for the time being at least- but the running commentary on all aspects of his life now that he’s left, is a little weird.

    It’s as if your main concern is to prove that Wenger is a crap manager. This seems more important to you than anything else and your fear that he might be successful elsewhere is palpable.
    He probably won’t but if he is, who cares?

    Ever considered doing a PhD in wenger studies?

  37. Globalgunner

    I dont think anyone has to prove that Wenger is a crap manager. Everything he has done since 2006 has been woeful in comparison to to assets at his disposal. The fact that opposition teams laugh their heads off whenever they draw us in CL KO rounds tells you all you need to know about his standing in world football

  38. mysticleaves

    “Second all transfers are decided at Arsenal by “Committee” between Emery,
    Sanhelli, Mislintat and the MD. Decisions are taken based on both “Sporting
    and Commercial” considerations.”

    “Frankly I do not believe that Arsenal would have argued about paying Ramsey
    £200K pw ”

    Frankly I do believe that Arsenal would have argued about paying 200k pw. Its a committee now and it will be harder to come to a consensus than before. Look at the fan base. Use le grove as example. How many people think Ramsey is worth 200k pw? Match it with his commercial value to us, he is not one of the top players in that category.

    So I think they considered his value both sporting and commercial wise and made their decision. Not just the agent fee as you always say.

  39. mysticleaves

    “Everything he has done since 2006 has been woeful in comparison to to assets at his disposal.”

    Either you started following Arsenal very recently or you have not been paying attention closely to the club you claim to support.

    Wenger earned legendary status in the eyes of the board from 2006-2011. The resources he had to work with and the circumstances he found himself in were appalling compared to what he achieved.

    You could say he fell off the bridge from 2012 and became thick skinned because of his own success the previous 5 years.

  40. Globalgunner

    No problem Mystic. Im sure the management at RM and Bayern are falling over themselves trying to hire him as their new manager. How can they have failed to notice his monumental achievements you speak of?

  41. mysticleaves

    Global you realise what the last part of my previous post said? You also realise Wenger is 69years? How many 69year olds are in top jobs in football the world over? You just love a moan?

  42. Pierre

    Tonight’s game has the making of being one of the games of the season ..there is sure to be goals,there is sure to be some very good offensive football and probably defensive frailties as both teams play an open game so consequently give opportunities to the opposition.

    Leicester’s problem has been consistency, you don’t really know what you will get from them..this could be the hardest game of our winning run ,we cannot afford.to be complacent.

    Difficult selection decisions for Emery…it could be telling if he leaves out Aubamayang,Ramsey and Ozil in favour of Mhkitaryan,iwobi and welbeck.

    Personally, I think he may start ozil as CAM,Mhkitaryan on the right and iwobi left but maybe give them the freedom to interchange during the game….Lacazette up front of course.

  43. emiratesstroller

    mystic leaves

    I am pretty sure that both Sanhelli and Mislintat had input in negotiations over contracts with both Aubameyang and Mkhitaryan in January.

    By all accounts those salaries were around £180-200 K pw and of course Arsenal agreed a much higher salary to Ozil.

    So I don’t believe that Ramsey’s salary is the issue. My guess is that it is other
    demands being made e.g. a loyalty bonus and the agent’s personal demands,
    which are the problem.

    When you read that Can’s agent demanded and secured a commission of
    £16 million when the player joined Juventus you realise that agents are now
    becoming excessively greedy not only for their clients but themselves as well.

    UEFA are arguing that there should be material changes in how agents fees should be paid in future. The responsibility for payment should be the players and not the clubs, which would severely limit how much is being paid in future.

  44. HighburyLegend

    Still bugging… compelled to retype your pseudo and your email address every time you want to post something new.

  45. Jamie

    mystic, are you serious? Between 2006 and 2011, what did he ‘achieve’? A champs league final in 2006, which we lost. Not a single trophy between 2005 and 2014 (both FA Cup wins).

    2006 was arguably his last decent year. Before then, he was top drawer. No one can argue against that, and very few people will even try to.

    “You could say he fell off the bridge from 2012 and became thick skinned because of his own success the previous 5 years.”

    Crazy talk. Like the success of the league cup final in 2011? He gets immense credit for his first 10 years, and rightly so, but let’s not get all revisionist and loose with the facts by suggesting everything was good under Wenger until 2012. It’s disingenuous.

  46. Emiratesstroller

    Let’s stop discussing Wenger. He is passe and no longer involved in the club.

    We need to move on and look at present and future and not the past. Everyone
    knows by now that we underperformed in the last decade.

  47. kristoman

    Spurs *spit do have a light squad, a couple of injuries and they will drop points.
    Especially if those injuries are in midfield, Kane isn’t rounded enough as a player to drop deep and pick up the ball nor build play, and without him they may struggle for goals

    all this ifs and buts about totteham getting injured and players bailing on them is just boring now. for three straight season now the’ve be in top 4. isn’t it wise for people to consider maybe they are here to stay.

  48. Pierre

    I think Mysticleaves was referring to the rebuilding of the team following the invincibles which was made up of players like ces,song and cliche mixed with bargain buys of rvp,ade,nasri,eduardo,sagna and still managed to compete with Chelsea and United who were spending fortunes without winning silverware.

    He basically did back then what pochettino is being lauded for with Tottenham now …. Built a team on limited resources without winning silverware…

    We will see if Tottenham continue to follow the same path as Arsenal back then by finding it difficult to hold onto their best players as the likes of kane,Eriksen,Alli will be offered fortunes along with the chance of winning silverware…

    I will guarantee you that if Tottenham lose those players, pochettino won’t stay loyal to Tottenham and will be off to a more ambitious club and who could blame him as he would have looked at the abuse wenger received for staying loyal and say to himself …no way.

    Tottenham as a club have learnt nothing from the Arsenal situation…the only benefit they will have is they can command fortunes for their players which will help pay off the debt …….again ,similar to Arsenal.

  49. Dissenter

    Jack Wilshere’s comments about Arsenal just highlights how we lost out way.
    He admits he would still be keeping out physios busy had Wenger stayed because Wenger believed in him. Everyone bar Wenger and Un na could see that Wilshere was far gone.
    People wonder why Wenger keeps coming up?
    It’s because it’s only 4 months since he left and stories like this keep memoeries fresh.

  50. shaun ellis

    leno
    bellarin mustaffi holding monreal

    torria
    ramsey xhaka

    ozil

    Auba laca

    with gray and morgan not playing Emmery could get away with the above selection . If Gray were playing i might think more about using iwobi and welbeck as I did like the defensive intensity they gave us in winning the ball back in the last away game but I would really like to see Ozil in the 10 position with the two very good forwards we have in front of him offering two very different threats, I know Ozil is a lazy mother but he does have that final ball quality that could really set the forward line up , if Ramsey stays semi disciplined it could work very effectively as it looks like Emmery has had a word with Xhaka and told him to sought his shit out

  51. Dissenter

    Spuds have dug a massive hole for themselves
    That stadium debt is too much for a medium sized club that has limited marketing potential.
    Poch is helping them punch above their weight and we all know that they have to start selling soon. It’s ineveitable.

  52. mysticleaves

    “mystic, are you serious? Between 2006 and 2011, what did he ‘achieve’? A champs league final in 2006, which we lost. Not a single trophy between 2005 and 2014 (both FA Cup wins).”

    You talk like a fan and I don’t blame you. I would also want My club to win many trophies. But there’s the fans and there’s the board. Our parameters for success are different.

    The board, after the stadium move, signed up Wenger to a 5 year deal. His mandate was to get top 4 in 3 of the 5 years at most whilst repaying 30m every season. The money was to be paid mostly from player sales. He achieved that in every year. That was massive success, he beat the projected earnings of the board, this helped in making sure arsenal remained as sustainable as we are now.

    If Poch somehow works under the same shoe string budget and obligations and he pulls it off, in the eyes of the board he would have massively succeeded but the fans always will want trophies.

    I think no other club would have achieved more than what Wenger achieved that period.

  53. mysticleaves

    manager* not club.

    Emirates
    I get that it’s your opinion about the agent. But I just believe the committee looked at the value (both commercial and sporting) in paying Ramsey 200-250 a week and felt it wasn’t enough.

    Remember the “committee” that agreed the packages of Ozil, Miki and Laca and Auba are lacking 2 very important people now. Wenger and Gazidis.

    Moreover, we could have got Miki and Auba on lower wages if they werent already on the wages we offered them and they accepted

  54. mysticleaves

    Emirates, let’s also remember that the deal was WITHDRAWN. Ramsey himself said they thought they was a headway in the deal. Meaning the major details–including the agent’s demands–were kind of agreed. Look it’s all conjecture at this moment but you wouldn’t just look at everything that played out and say Arsenal baulked at the agent’s demands.

  55. Bamford10

    Mystic

    “The money was to be paid mostly from player sales.”

    Please provide an article that supports this claim. That is, that this is what the board “mandated” of Wenger.

  56. Leedsgunner

    https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2801561-lucas-torreira-the-unconventional-route-to-the-top-of-arsenals-little-terrier

    “Initially, he didn’t play much. The coaching staff thought he might have a niggling foot injury so he was sent for a checkup. It was discovered that he had several warts on one of his feet. He had been playing through the pain without mentioning it to anyone. “He couldn’t even walk,” said Roberto Druda, the Pescara scout who signed him. “He played on for months and months.””

    Makes me love him even more.

    Hard. As. Nails.

    Need to protect him for EPL games and the most important cup games…. we can’t overplay him and burn him out like Wenger did with Jack Wilshere.

  57. Pierre

    It could be argued that wenger got back on the trophy trail when he finally had decent money to spend on players like ozil and Sanchez.

    That’s not to say that some of his signings weren’t rank….if he had taken the plunge and bought Lacazette to replace giroud a couple of years earlier as was being reported and signed a Torriera type midfielder to replace Ramsey to play with 2 holding midfielders ,We potentially could have made a serious challenge for the title…… But of course he continued with playing Ramsey in a 2 man midfield and giroud as our first choice striker but thankfully we are moving on from those 2 with a more disciplined midfield and a more dynamic attack.

  58. emiratesstroller

    Pierre

    Spurs current wage scales are well below those of the other top six clubs in epl. That is understandable, because their current revenue streams are significantly less.

    Their club will have difficulty in the foreseeable future in altering their status
    not because they will not be able to match commercial revenues of their competitors, but because they have a mega ‘overspend’ on the stadium with almost
    certainly a huge debt situation.

    I think that it is clear that the club unless sold will become increasingly uncompetitive in the EPL.

    My only concern about Arsenal is what will be the impact of Kroenke buying
    the shares of Usmanov. That has cost him £500 million and is being serviced
    by loans.

    I believe that it is highly unlikely that this debt will be service by the sponsorship revenues, because I think that it is highly unlikely that Adidas and Emirates would not attach some conditions on how the money is being spent to
    improve club’s performance.

  59. mysticleaves

    Bamford, I might not be able to see everything I said there rolled into one article but I think if you tried to look, you will see all of them on different articles on the net. And frankly, I can’t look for them now

  60. Leedsgunner

    Balogun, another U18 product from our Academy scoring for fun. Great to see that our academy continues to produce talent for our first team to consider. Surely he’ll be promoted to the U23s?

    I like Welbeck but if we can get £15m-£20m for him… I would consider doing so and bring in a talented younger CB in the Mavropanos template… because Chambers, over at Fulham seems to be falling over a cliff… and promote Eddie Nketiah into the third striker role and give him game time.

    Chambers is a strange one.

    After his promising loan spell and cameos for us last season I was really hoping he would kick on, but the boy is not producing it. Such a shame, when he first appeared on the scene, he looked a player, didn’t he?

    I don’t know if Chambers pushed for the loan to Fulham but it has badly misfired. It would have been interesting to see what Emery could have done with him. One wonders had he stayed whether he would have made strides forward like Holding has.

    If he came back, could Emery do something with to salvage his career?

    Remember he just signed a new contract with us before his loan!

  61. kristoman

    I think Mysticleaves was referring to the rebuilding of the team following the invincibles which was made up of players like ces,song and cliche mixed with bargain buys of rvp,ade,nasri,eduardo,sagna and still managed to compete with Chelsea and United who were spending fortunes without winning silverware.

    really Pierre? so who was winning the silverware then. mancity?

  62. Dream10

    Think tonight we’ll see

    Cech
    Bellerin Mustafi Holding Monreal
    Torreira Xhaka
    Mkhi Özil Welbeck
    Lacazette

    Wouldn’t be surprised if Aubameyang, Torreira and Iwobi are benched because of long international trips and little training.

  63. Bamford10

    Mystic

    It was Wenger himself who said that we had to sell our best players in order to cover our costs during that time period.

    He said this in April of 2016, when facing the prospect of a large, organized fan protest. See the article below.

    Allow me to point out that his saying that we needed to do this does not support the claim that the board mandated that he do this. These are two entirely different things. Wenger is and was a frugal French economist and he had nearly complete control over our transfer business; it is just as likely (if not more likely) that Wenger himself decided this, rather than it being mandated from above.

    Allow me also to point out that Wenger demonstrates both his dishonesty and his ego in the article below. We see his dishonesty in his comment that he was being “reproached for not having won the championship during that period [06-11].” Except that this is completely false and Wenger knows it. Supporters weren’t criticizing him and protesting in the spring of 2016 for what the team accomplished or didn’t accomplish in 2006-2011. Supporters were criticizing him for what he had done (or not done) from 2012-2016, when it was clear he had money to spend, and when it was clear that he was not the right man for the job anymore. It is clear that Wenger turned to a straw-man here, in order to protect his reputation and ego.

    His ego, we see, in the following remark: “When we built the stadium the banks demanded that I signed for five years. Do you want me to tell you how many clubs I turned down during that period? The banks wanted the technical consistency to guarantee that we have a chance to pay back. I did commit and I stayed and under very difficult circumstances.”

    It may be the case that the banks wanted stability in management, it may even be the case that it mattered to them that Arsene Wenger be that manager, but the bit about “do you know how many clubs I turned down?” is petty, defensive and egotistical.

    This is the Wenger many of us here paid close attention to, the Wenger his devotees seem to have missed.

  64. Bamford10

    Alexander

    “That’s a very fair assessment of the latter half of the wenger years.”

    No, it’s not. It’s likely a misrepresentation of his circumstances from 2006 to 2011. And it in no way deals with what his circumstances were from 2012 to 2018.

    It would be more accurate to say that it’s the assessment of the second half of his tenure that his defenders most like, because it seeks to justify his failures.

  65. S Asoa

    £350k a week for 3 years works out at around £54.6 million. Bearing in mind no one else( apart from Beijing Wanderers) can afford those wages or would even consider giving him that amount of money, it beggars belief how they came to this conclusion.Wenger and Gazidis should be hung, drawn and quartered for this decision alone.Can someone explain this to me in layman’s terms.

    Graham in layman’s terms means you take off the overcoat and other preenings, hang in upside down by his (hind) legs spread out . If want to use the symbolic prick for posterity can tie it towards the back for posterity.

    Sorry mate , the details got censored

  66. Marko

    There was absolutely an austerity period for the club around the stadium build and for a few years after due to the debt and some of the constraining commercial deals we had which we were a bit forced into accepting cause we were desperate but once that period was over there were no excuses. I would say that around the 10/11 or at the latest 11/12 season just before Van Persie had enough he had no excuses there was money there he was just afraid to spend it and compete.

  67. Marko

    I would also like to point out that even during the austerity period that there was still more money available that could have been been spent on the squad. My understanding is that there was always a stipulation that a certain amount had to be kept in the coffers for rainy days but the actual debt repayment was only about 20 million per season. Basically the idea that we HAD to continuiously sell our best players year in year out and inadequately replace them or that we had to hoard THAT much in the cash reserves was unnecessary

  68. Marko

    The former Los Blancos midfielder is currently working in Turkey as Besiktas assistant manager, but Madrid president Florentino Perez has identified him as the perfect man to turn the club’s fortunes around.

    That’s Guti not Wenger being lined up for the Madrid job apparently. Also worth noting the Besiktas assistant not the Man City assistant

  69. Bamford10

    Leicester City have been playing 4-2-3-1 much of this season, with Wilfried Ndidi and Nampalys Mendy as the two holding mids, Maddison, Iheanacho and Pereira as the three attacking mids, and Vardy up top.

    That doesn’t seem all that menacing, but the two CMs make for a solid, decent pairing.

  70. Leedsgunner

    Complacency is our biggest enemy tonight. Everyone is expecting us to win tonight…and we can’t stroll on thinking the game is already won… and fall behind. We need to start the game with intensity and fire and stamp our authority in the match from the opening whistle.

    I want us to be as ruthless as we were versus Fulham and start really punishing teams. Only by punishing teams do you start planting seeds of doubt in the mins of our opponents coming up.

  71. Marko

    Complacency is our biggest enemy tonight.

    I’m going to be honest here I don’t think that’s a problem with this manager especially right now where we are still building and building. I have seen nothing to suggest complacency on the part of Emery everything he says publicly suggests that he is in fact telling everyone behind closed doors to keep working hard and not to get ahead of themselves. Our biggest issue tonight is starting slowly again and being a couple goals down and fatigue.

  72. Paulinho

    The managerial inadequacies that Wenger displayed between 12-18 were on full view between 06-12, indeed a few of us here were able to predict Wenger’s demise on the strength of them. It was only his clueless AKB’s who were were seemingly unable to see these inherent flaws, and as a result continued to put his lack of ability to challenge for the title down to finances rather than the real cause: His extremely flawed managerial ability.

    He didn’t just suddenly lose it at some arbitrary point – or as soon he could spend money – it’s just that the flawed aspects of his management because more pronounced when he was expected to improve with the increased outlay. He knew damn well that the dampened expectation during the ‘lean’ years played right into his hands and allowed him advantages other managers didn’t have at that point: Lower expectations, time to bring through youngsters, and build ‘technical stability’. When those were stripped away by the added pressure to actually challenge he floundered and we got even worse. So with more finances in earlier years he would’ve just exposed earlier and sacked earlier.

  73. Dream10

    Hope Amartey plays at right back for Leicester instead of Pereira. Welbeck/Aubameyang can get in behind on the left regularly.

  74. Marko

    It is perhaps too early to make any grand statements about Torreira’s introduction, but it is interesting that Arsenal have conceded just once in the three Premier League games in which he has started.

    Great little player

    That Xhaka – an excellent passer but lacking mobility or defensive nous – had been Arsenal’s midfield screener in Wenger’s last couple of seasons was a key factor behind the club’s defensive struggles. In Torreira, they have finally identified a specialist in that role.

  75. Marko

    The managerial inadequacies that Wenger displayed between 12-18 were on full view between 06-12, indeed a few of us here were able to predict Wenger’s demise on the strength of them

    This is very true. Honestly can’t think of another “elite” manager who suffered so many embarrassing defeats in big games with regularity over the years. Money doesn’t fix that I’m afraid

  76. Jamie

    “I think no other club would have achieved more than what Wenger achieved that period.”

    The redefinition of success here is astounding. He didn’t win any silverware in 10 years.

    Balancing the books during the ‘austerity period’ wasn’t as difficult as Wenger made out. There wasn’t any competition for the tr4phy for years. Only when other teams around us starting improving were we exposed.

    Also, I call bullshit on any loan made to Arsenal being contingent on Wenger managing the club for the subsequent 5 seasons.

    If he loses his next 15 games in charge, the club can’t dismiss him due to some ‘stability clause’ inserted into the contract? Nonsensical.

    As for tonight, I’m really hoping we can make it 10 wins on the bounce. We need a solid defensive display. I’d take a 1-0, but there’s surely a few goals in this one.

    I’d play the same line-up we had against Fulham.

  77. Dream10

    Marko

    Quality little player. Torreira has room for improvement as well. He isn’t fully acclimated to the speed of the league. Seemed a little startled by the pace in the 2nd half at Chelsea and 1st half vs Watford. Should be better after January. Hope we get to see a Maitland Niles, Torreira, Xhaka three CM set up when young AMN gets matches under his belt to regain fitness/sharpness. Probably in the e new year

  78. Marko

    Also, I call bullshit on any loan made to Arsenal being contingent on Wenger managing the club for the subsequent 5 seasons.

    Total bullshit. Like someone at the bank can predict that sort of thing.

  79. Leedsgunner

    So is Arsene saying effectively “The banks made me do it?”

    Say anything, do anything, believe anything to absolve Wenger of incompetence.

    The banks didn’t sign the players he did.
    The banks didn’t devise the training programs he did.
    The banks certainly didn’t lose the games, make the substitutions, or give excuses in the press conferences after we lost at places like Swansea, Brighton and Stoke… he did.

    I’ll tell you what, if Wenger is blaming the banks for being unable to leave, and that he had a duty to stay… call out the engraver and erase Wenger’s name from the FA Cups won in his later years with us. Put in Barclays, HSBC etc. instead. It’s only fair if the banks making him stay was the only reason he suffered us.

    Cry me a river.

    Wenger and his supporters are more than happy to take the credit but when it goes wrong, they are too afraid to take the responsibility.

    No doubt, the usual suspects will call me a Wenger obsessive, whatever that is.

  80. Marko

    Alexander will like this the Rams are 7-0 in the NFL and the Denver Nuggets have a 100% start in the NBA and just beat the Golden State Warriors. The myth of Stan might be getting shattered this season

  81. HighburyLegend

    “Poor Arsene, having to stay for debt reasons.”

    The word “poor” in a phrase concerning AW, bravo!! lol

    Be prepared to see Champagne, Vic Vic, Pierre or Victorious defending their god sooner or later.

  82. Joe

    David Dein has come out and said we had at least 30m to spend every summer since the stadium move

    Now that’s a lot of money in 2006 and I’m sure went up every year.

    No one told wenger to break up the invincibles. He did it all on his own because he believed his own hype and thought he could win everything with kids ala fergie.

    Boy was he wrong.

    If the breaking up of the invincibles was handled by a proper manager and done with a proper plan and 1 extra player was bought a year the move to the Emirates would have been great and we would
    Have won I’d say 3 titles We has the money to buy the player we needed to take the next step.

    Wenger thought he was better than that and could win it with his management hahahahaha the lost dozen years.

    Mystic trying to tell us wenger over achieved. Getting whatever the fuck top 3 is was bare minimum for wenger.

    Losing to bham was a joke.

    Say the board was happy. Well we are a football club. A top one at that. Wenger failed on the footballing side. He made bare minimum to keep
    Finances in check and more importantly his job. That was of top importance to
    Him. Not football ambition f

  83. Joe

    People keep talking about spurs having to an austerity period because of the new stadium

    Their wage bill is already half of ours. Check their net spend the last few years.

    They are always in an austerity period

    Wenger’s wage bill ridiculously over inflated after we moved to
    Emirates. That’s where most of our money went. Wasted on wenger’s babies. BUT we still had money to buy players other than kallstrom and sanago hazard over Gervinho, Cahill, etc etc.

    Give Pochettino the resources wenger had from 2006 forward and you’d see different results that what wenger has had

  84. Leedsgunner

    Wenger readily blamed Man City and called them financial dopers.

    I suppose they were, but this narrative that is being shared today is pure unadulterated hogwash.

    In the summer when Xhaka came in, Wenger spent £90m in new players. Including £35m on Mustafi (lolz) and £17m on Perez… a player he hardly played. That was just one summer. Oh yeah, remember he turned down Kante for £32m and bought £35m Xhaka.

    Wenger spent money when he wanted.

    The truth is in his latter years (2013-2018) he spent it on the whole very badly.

  85. HighburyLegend

    “The truth is in his latter years (2013-2018) he spent it on the whole very badly.”

    …and he rarely spent anything.

  86. Joe

    …and he rarely spent anything.

    It’s called self preservation. He knew as long as he made money he wouldn’t lose his job.

    Some footballing manager …

  87. Leedsgunner

    This was funny… from Arseblog.

    “Finally for this morning, it would be remiss of me not to mention Jose Mourinho. I mean, where do you even start with him taking exception to the Chelsea coach celebrating that late equaliser yesterday? This is a man whose sideline behaviour has been obnoxious for years, he gouged Tito Vilanova’s eye for goodness sake and that barely even scratches the surface of his wankery. So break out the orchestra of atoms to play the world’s tiniest violins for this arch-hypocrite.

    Phil Neville even said the Chelsea coach should be sacked. Have people lost their minds or something? Not that Phil Neville has much of a mind to lose, in fairness, but you know what I mean. Frankly, I think that Chelsea coach should be given an award for services to the game of football. Mourinho got a little back, he showed he can’t take it, and it was hilarious. Well done that man.”

  88. Steiner

    Spurs may not have the revenue or marketing stream, but they built that stadium as a multi purpose stadium and are marketing it for concerts and events to increase their revenue stream ‘hot dogs, weddings and bar mitzvah’ style.
    Not saying it will replace a major sponsorship deal, but it will have ongoing revenue stream.

    There’s a reason that pitch disappears under the stands…

  89. Marko

    Phil Neville should be sacked for being stupid. Mourinho has been doing that for years to other managers he’s a cunt

  90. Steiner

    Can’t remember who said it, this 1997 comments system kills me, but whoever complained about me saying Spurs *spit have a thin squad, they do!
    It’s wafer thin in certain positions and that has affected them last 2 seasons.

    Take Kane out and they have to completely rejig how they play.
    Take Christensen out, or Ali and what happens? We’ve seen it, they drop points.
    Take Ozil out we have Mkhi, Ramsey, Iwobi or even ESR who could step into the #10.
    Spurs ride a knife edge of injury collapse!

    Poch has some serious ju ju about him to keep that squad playing the way they do, but he can’t magic players he doesn’t have.

  91. Steiner

    Leedsgunner

    I really don’t like Maureen at all, but the Chelsea coach didn’t just celebrate, he went to Maureen and singled him out for a f**k you.
    Much as I don’t like him I think he has the right to throw down and reply to that.
    It’s not as if he took offense at a coach innocently celebrating, he took offense at an insult.
    As I said I don’t like him, but fair play.

  92. Champagne charlie

    “Alexander will like this the Rams are 7-0 in the NFL and the Denver Nuggets have a 100% start in the NBA and just beat the Golden State Warriors. The myth of Stan might be getting shattered this season“

    A season of success eradicates a decade of prior inputs in the eyes of some then.

    Classic

  93. Marc

    “Phil Neville should be sacked for being stupid.”

    I think that statements hugely insulting to all the stupid people in the world – it’s not their fault and there’s no need to lump them in with him, he’s on a different level altogether. I’m not sure what the word is for Phil Neville’s lack of intelligence.

  94. Marko

    A season of success eradicates a decade of prior inputs in the eyes of some then.

    Right so the argument has always been that his American franchises have been bang average and incapable of competing and as of right now his American franchises are not bang average and ARE competing. What’s hard to grasp? Or should we only speak about how shit they were in the past?

  95. Joe

    If Emery wins the league this season, wenger’s failed last 12 years will be forgotten pretty quick.

    And so will wenger

  96. Dissenter

    Spurs will have to host every live event designated for London in that stadium to make it viable. They have competition from 5-10 very good stadiums scattered across across the city.
    The NFL still has the deal with Wembley to use as leverage so Spuds can’t just dictate the cost of renting it out.

    That “multi-purpose” designated doesn’t hold water. The Emirates and other stadiums can equally host concerts and other stuff.

  97. Dissenter

    Joe,
    “Give Pochettino the resources wenger had from 2006 forward and you’d see different results that what wenger has had”

    I’m no Wenger fan but that is ridiculous.
    -Poch has NEVER own anything
    -Let’s wait till Spuds have to start dancing to the tune of the bankers , shall we?

    You seem to forget that the post-2006 period also coincided with the influx of big money in the game. It wasn’t just that out budget was curtailed, we also has Abramovich and the City bastards spending money like drunken sailors.

  98. Marko

    The NFL still has the deal with Wembley to use as leverage so Spuds can’t just dictate the cost of renting it out.

    Thought I heard they were already going to host NFL games

  99. Gunner2301

    Bamford

    What also needs to be considered is that Wenger had total control over the money he had to spend which meant he could spend it on transfers or on wages. He chose the latter and saddled us with overpaid average dross that we couldnt get any money for or chose to run down their lucrative contracts knowing nobody else would pay them such wages.

  100. Marc

    Marko

    The Spud’s are going to be hosting NFL matches. A mate actually told me the NFL is threatening to sue them because of loss of earnings due to the late opening of the stadium. I’ve had a google but can’t find anything – do any of our American posters know anything about this?

  101. Joe

    Dissenter

    Wenger also never had as little
    As resources at poch does.

    Spuds have been working on team salary that is half of ours forever and their spending.

    What would wenger have done with spurs salary levels etc.

    Wenger achieved bare minimum with what resources he had. He didn’t work
    Miracles. Wenger did nothing special from 2006 forward. Achieving “top 4” was bare Minimum wenger should have done

  102. Marc

    Joe

    You can’t compare our current wage bill to the Spud’s when discussing the impact of the new stadium on their finances. You need to compare our wage bill as a percentage of turnover in 2006 against the current situation at the Spud’s.

  103. Marc

    There’s also the small fact that the shithole is costing at least two and a half times what the Emirates did, it’s also way over budget so any business plan is out of the window.

  104. Joe

    Marc

    You can’t compare early 2000
    Constructions costs to 2018.

    Even the costs to build a house has more than doubled in the last 20 years

  105. Champagne charlie

    Clearly a fair deal you struggle to grasp with statements about dispelling “myths” on the basis of a good start to the season across various franchises.

    Stan has a definitive track record of absolutely average teams, no maybes about it. Starting well in one season dispels absolutely nothing, and to suggest as such is the crux of the point.

    When the Rams win silverware, when the rest of his lot dominate their respective fields, when it happens season upon season due to Stans direction and support, then start telling people about Stan the sporting saint.

    But don’t throw up a 7-0 record and suggest Stan ain’t bad after all, or you’ll get outed for precisely the type of input that is. Stupid. So no, shouldn’t be hard to grasp at all?

  106. Marc

    Joe

    Sorry don’t get your point other than the Spud’s new stadium is proportionally way more expensive than the Emirates.

    Which again means they are going to be under as much if not more pressure than we were.

  107. Champagne charlie

    Joe I hope you’re acutely aware you just made Marc’s point for him…

    Take your same “construction costs” argument and apply it to football wages. Can’t have it both ways

  108. Joe

    Commercial revenues have also gone way up

    Compare what we/spuds were getting for kit sponsor etc. Naming rights. Everything else these days. We have tourism sponsors now

    Teams will be getting a lot more commercial revenue than back in 2006 as well

  109. Alex James

    My real concern is that, despite the debt aspect, a wealthy investor will see Spurs and their new stadium as a great acquisition. Knowing Levy, he probably has a plan b.When Lady thingy sold her shares to K instead of U, we lost our window to become huge. Sad!

  110. TheLegendaryDB10

    Marc

    I think that statements hugely insulting to all the stupid people in the world – it’s not their fault and there’s no need to lump them in with him, he’s on a different level altogether. I’m not sure what the word is for Phil Neville’s lack of intelligence.

    Brain dead is the word you are looking for.

  111. Joe

    Can’t have it both ways for yourself either where costs go up and assume revenues haven’t

    We are making 60m
    Just from adidas. What were we making in 2006?

    Same for spurs

  112. un na naai

    Anyone seen that new film on Netflix, apostle, fucking good film. Haven’t seen a good atmospheric horror/thriller like it for years

    If you’re stuck for a film then give it a watch. Just short of greatness for me. Could have been a classic but still the best I’ve seen in ages
    Enjoyed the witch last year too
    That Anya Taylor Joy is both extremely talented and gorgeous.