Arsenal riding the luck train

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It’s very interesting reading the different perspectives on what’s going on at the club at the minute. The general notion is Arsenal are winning ugly and we’re shithousing our way up the league.

I’m not quite sure I buy it.

This bit of analysis from Gracenote was very interesting.

Now, you can take a few things away from this.

We’ve been ruthlessly efficient in front of goal to start with, and we’ve had some luck. Yesterday we only managed two shots on target and we claimed an own goal.

Defensively, we’ve been shite, but thankfully, the teams we’ve played have been useless in front of goal (and our keepers have been good).

What this table tells you is we’ve been very fortuitous. The idea that we’re ‘shithousing’ teams doesn’t really sit right with me. This isn’t doing what you have to do to win, like Inter Milan in the semi-final of the CL against Barcelona. This isn’t United under Mourinho. This isn’t Ramos like evil genius. This is Arsenal playing really badly and falling up the stairs.

We’re not creating good chances moving forward, and we’re terrible at the back… but we’re 4 points off the top of the table, so it’s hard to be real about the situation without sounding like a brat. But, you know, I am a brat. I think a big reality slap is heading our way if we don’t quickly improve.

We’re 9 competitive games into the season and we’re still shite. That’s with the players training almost every single day (which comes with its own issues, usually in December). The ideas, whatever they are, aren’t settling with the players at the minute. We’ve seen Bielsa at Leeds turn them into a spectacle, they’re scoring freely, 2 a game, and they’re conceding less (a goal a game last season, 0.8 a game this season). I mention Bielsa because he’s bringing elite level ideas to very average players. Emery took over from an artist, not a butcher, it shouldn’t be taking this long to see an identity.

The play has to get better if we’re going to make it into the top 4 this season, because luck won’t carry us through December. Emery has either got to make changes to the way he’s setting up so he can get the team clicking from the off, or we’re going to have to do some reshaping in the January transfer window.

Starting Ramsey seems like a bad idea. The club withdrew the offer because they didn’t see value in Ramsey signing a £300k a week contract. So it’s not about the Welshman, it’s about Arsenal making an aggressive call on his ability. No wonder he looks pissed off, he’s just been told by the clubs hierarchy they don’t rate him. Here’s the thing, I absolutely agree with that decision. Trouble is, now he’s going to be uninterested for the rest of the season. He’d be a useful player if he was on top form.

Mesut Ozil needs to play as a #10, or it’s simply not worth it. Emery is going to have to work out a way to make him work harder for the team, or he’s going to have to build the system to be able to deal with his lack of defensive work. He’s the most creative player in the league, we’re not creating anything, let’s make it work.

We also need to work out why our defence is so poor. Is it a back to basics kind of issue? Who knows. But it shouldn’t take more than 3 months to see an improvement. I mean, it doesn’t help having someone like Xhaka protecting you, but honestly, I don’t understand how we’ve regressed so badly at the back.

Anyway, a little bit of a moan this morning.

What do you think about it all? Let me know in the comments! x

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  1. Jamie

    Imagine the scenes if Arteta was at Barca coaching Messi and Suarez.

    “Leo, Louis, I came from La Masia and won an FA cup, follow my tactical instructions!”

    Now imagine him at Arsenal trying to get the best out of Mustafi.

    Both ludicrous.

  2. Pierre

    Azed
    I agree, our defending from corners is pretty good it’s from open play where we appear to have the problem.
    The balance is not right.. It probably doesn’t help playing our no. 10 so far forward as it often leaves us short and probably doesn’t help having our full backs so far forward that they are often out of position when the opposition has a counter attack so it’s best not to mention it as it looks like we are criticising Emery.

  3. Jamie

    Joe –

    Too funny.

    The fact that he’s still hiding behind Pep when people say he’s ready for Arsenal makes him either sackless, or acutely aware of the holes in his tactical knowledge and his desire to learn more from Pep before he flies the nest.

    At best, even he recognizes he’s not ready for a top job. At worst, he’s an unambitious coward. He could’ve thrown his hat in the ring for any number of managerial vacancies this summer. He didn’t.

    Guess he doesn’t want to ‘do a Porto’ with another club and win the CL as an underdog, writing himself into the history books. Far more rewarding to watch Pep lift another trophy and try to steal a selfie with the king.

  4. Joe

    I mean putting out cones for pep looks a lot better on the CV than managing derby to a win over Man U.

    But that’s just me.

  5. Champagne charlie

    MIchael24

    Disagree on Woods, think the sudden body language expertise is a weak line of critique. Many around the US camp say him and Phil are great personalities to have about the place. In this case Phil didn’t have close to his A-game, and Tiger was pretty understandably jaded – whilst his pairings were NOT the best.

  6. azed

    Pierre

    The balance is not right because we don’t have the right players and it would be hard to fix without getting the right players.
    Ozil is not a winger neither is Aubermayang. Ramsey can be a no 10 for Cardiff but not Arsenal.

    Emery likes his no 10 to start the press (I have no idea why) but we both know Ozil can’t do that.
    Playing Ozil as a winger limits him because he drifts, rarely tracks back to help Bellerin.
    Then there’s Aubermayang on the other wing, slow mo Xhaka who can’t cover much ground.

    Emery is not a defensive coach so he won’t pack the bus so something must give.

    Our January window will tell us a lot about Emery’s plan.

  7. Bankz

    Pedro’s willingness to paint Emery in a bad light this early on in the season is becoming boring.
    I commented on it yesterday that his agenda of shoving Arteta down the readers throats is ludicrous.
    I will bet anything on Arteta not managing an elite team anywhere across Europe in the next 10yrs.
    There is absolutely nothing that points to that, he wasn’t even an inspiring captain ffs!

  8. China

    It doesn’t matter that he’s a rookie with no experience left in charge of a car crash staring over the precipice of genuine footballing irrelevance. That doesn’t matter at all. It also doesn’t matter that we’ve no idea if he’s any good. What matters is simply that we *hope* the football would be exciting and the appointment would’ve been bold.

    I swear I left Bristol to get away from hipsters and their thinking but the internet means there’s no escape

  9. China

    The day anyone can tell me 5 key properties of artetas management qualities/attributes is the day I’ll stop laughing at these people

    I’m afraid ‘but bold’ ‘but exciting’ isn’t good enough

  10. Bankz

    LOL
    Jamie, giving Aguero hugs when he’s subbed off and carrying Pep’s handbag around the training ground must be really ‘exciting’.

  11. Victorious

    Joey

    You’re lying to yourself when you say you’ve enjoyed all our games this season

    surely you know nobody believes that nonsense?

    I mean not much different from last season, probably worse when you literally pilloried the team in every fvcking match, shows you up for not being a true supporter of the club rather basing your support depending on your likeness or dislike for certain employees

    No wonder people barely take you serious when come you come out with stuffs like this

    Nothing has really changed except a different man in the dug out

    so cut out the bullshite ,the football right now is effective but painful to watch, hurt the eyes and makes it tiresome these days, my excitement is literally draining atm

    Looks like back to the Graham days of boring boring arsenal football

  12. China

    Traditionally what formations does arteta tend to prefer? – BOLD ONES

    Is he the kind of manager who likes to build a rock solid defense first, emphasis on attack or a balance of both? – EXCITING

    does he follow the recent trend towards sweeper keepers or think this is a bit unnecessary? – EMERY IS BORING

  13. China

    Fucking lol that you think we play football the same style as graham

    Absolutely hilarious

    On the one hand we keep being told nothing has changed since wenger and the other we now playing boring boring football like George graham

    Which one buddy?

  14. Victorious

    Nobody really know how arteta could have done,its all speculative, he could have us playing decent football,ugly football or could have tanked badly, but to be so dismissive of what he potentially can bring to the table is foolhardy at worst and ignorant at best,It definitely would have been a different feeling altogether

    Wenger,Pep have come out to stick their necks out on him having potentials to be a good hire,I mean these are top football minds

    Forgive me if i take them a little bit serious than the know it all jackass we have on display in here

  15. Jamie

    Bankz –

    It’s very exciting. Handbags for men are bold. We need that kind of fresh thinking. I don’t even think Emery has a handbag. Boring boring Arsenal, am I right?

  16. Victorious

    China

    Wenger’s arsenal in the last few years became boring also hence the anticipation to cease the opportunity of his resignation to make a seismic hire that can potentially bring us back to what he offered in his hay day
    Emery is just a carry on from that no pattern,no excitement, nothing. same old, same old

    Hope that helps you understand better.

  17. Olumide

    China
    On the one hand we keep being told nothing has changed since wenger and the other we now playing boring boring football like George Graham.
    —-
    People just like to moan unnecessarily. I like your Porsche analogy.

    9 games, 7 wins, and someone said we’re playing worse than last season. Emery has not gotten us to play beautifully but he’s winning while making the necessary changes.

    People like to underrate us while they overrate our rivals. For all Klopp’s genius, he’s not gotten a better position than 4th in the league since he came. Now, everyone is saying Liverpool will beat the hell out of us.

    Have they considered we could be on the same point with Liverpool next week if we win our game & they lose theirs against City?

    Meanwhile, Emery’s ‘boring’ Arsenal is on the same point with Mauricio ‘Einstein’ Pochettino’s absolutely interesting Tottenham.

    Chelsea who are ‘miles’ ahead of us are only 2 points ahead on the table. And we’re 5 (yes, 5) points ahead of Manchester United.

    Ask Man Utd fans if they would take Emery’s performance.

  18. Pedro

    Olumide, they don’t like the moan, they like to analyse.

    You can’t just look at the result. You have to look beyond that.

    If we were crushing teams, looked great going forward and we were defending well… no one would be ‘moaning’

    It’s shite and Emery would admit as much.

  19. Olumide

    Victorious
    Wenger,Pep have come out to stick their necks out on him having potentials to be a good hire,I mean these are top football mindsForgive me if i take them a little bit serious than the know it all jackass we have on display in here
    —-
    Yeah Pep and Wenger’s words probably mean more than Emery’s record of winning 8 major trophies in 5 seasons.

    Forgive all of us for being so stupid.

  20. Pierre

    I’m not sure that Emery is looking to address our defensive issues anytime soon.

    If that was the case then why would he think playing Ramsey ahead of aubamayang,ozil and Lacazette for large parts of the game would make us more compact…..because he doesn’t think it would and he is not concerned in the slightest.

    Why would he have the full backs so far forward …..surely he should be saying if one full back is overlapping then the other should sit to avoid being short on the counter attack….

    So we may as well forget about having anything different to the last 10 years and just accept that we have hired a manager who puts defensive discipline bottom of the list..

    ..next,. He will probably do a wenger and play Ramsey in a 2 man midfield..now that would be hard to take .

  21. Leftsidesanch

    Ozil is already have way to his pathetic goal tally for the whole of last season so how has he regressed Pierre?

  22. Champagne charlie

    Yea i’ve got to echo (at least partially) what Pedro is saying here, you can’t simply hold up “7 wins” and stick your fingers in your ears.

    We’ve not been fluid, or impressive from what i’ve witnessed. Not saying that won’t change over the course of the season, but so far we clearly have issues with our approach that is yielding inconsistent play both offensively and defensively.

    But right, that makes you a hater or other such bollocks so dare comment such things right?

  23. Pedro

    Olumide, Europa League is solid, but none his achievements match up to Wenger or Pep G.

    If City are offering Arteta the gig next, you can bet he’s probably pretty good.

    As Vic said, it’s a bit silly to write him off.

    Anyway, outside of Arteta, there were more exciting managers. We hired for safety. This season will be ok, we’ll improve, we’ll be more disciplined and smarter… but I don’t think we’re finding the next level.

  24. China

    Nobody thinks arteta is shit. They think he’s an entirely unknown quantity which makes him a ridiculous gamble for a club in our perilous circumstances. The dude MIGHT be good. Great so might every ex professional. Let’s make every ex pro who is an assistant top of our list like arteta next time then eh? WHO KNOWS they all might be the next pep!!!

    Or you know they might be a Ryan giggs, Alan shearer, or Gary Neville but never mind that mate. It’s bold! We’ll be enjoying the rollercoaster regardless amirite???

    And regarding wenger and pep saying he’s legit. Wenger compared wilshere with Messi only LAST FUCKING SEASON. Pep also used to talk up wilshere and Walcott as major players for his peak Barca team to beware of

    Having a reference from a big name manager means as much as having a degree from an Ivy League university. You’ll probably find it easier to get your foot in the door and if you do well you might jump start your career. But the first question people ask you at a major company when you have an interview is about your actual work experience and your actual record

    A guy with first class honours from oxford doesn’t walk into the CEOs job at standard chartered at 25 years old just because he has an Oxford degree. You have to actually demonstrate some kind of record to back your shit up or you need a company that is willing to take an enormous gamble on you because they’re either in so much shit that nothing could be worse or they’re doing so well that you probably couldn’t sink the ship if you tried

    You said wenger was boring and emery is the same. You also said emery is like graham. So by your logic wenger was playing George graham football too right?

    do you have any idea how all over the place your logic is

  25. Joe

    Victorious

    So now you’re telling me whether I’m enjoy the arsenal or not

    Get fucked. Don’t tell me what I’m enjoying or not enjoyin

    I’ve enjoyed every match. End of

    I have hope. I have excitement

    I’m getting up early to watch the matches because I am excited to watch arsenal play again

    I haven’t really given a fuck in years

    So yes victorious I have enjoyed all the matches.

    Too bad you can’t. Maybe you should go support someone else

    Don’t. Worry. Wenger will be managing another team soon. Probably some 3rc tier Chinese team but at least you can enjoy your football again.
    Take Pierre with you

    Love how the akbs are not telling us what we are enjoying or not Hahahaha

  26. Olumide

    Pedro
    Olumide, they don’t like the moan, they like to analyse.You can’t just look at the result. You have to look beyond that.If we were crushing teams, looked great going forward and we were defending well… no one would be ‘moaning’It’s shite and Emery would admit as much.
    —-
    Yeah we aren’t playing beautifully right now. Forgive Emery for not getting us to play like Man City.

    However, we can just look at the results. 7 wins in 9 games while playing ‘badly’ after taking over a club that had a single manager for 22 years?

    I’ll take it any day. At this point, winning is the entertainment we need.

  27. Leftsidesanch

    Wenger also blamed our injuries on players taking hair pills, so not everything he says should be taken as gospel. It’s well known that Victorious is an imbecile not worth paying any mind to.

  28. Champagne charlie

    Pedro

    That was always my concern with Emery, if you remove his PSG tenure where trophies are almost a byproduct of managing there it was never CV built on domestic league success (which I happen to consider a more accurate measurement of success than cup football).

    He’s a great Europa record, but we got to the semis last season and were fucking shite truth be told so I’m not certain how reliable that is as a point of reference. I said to someone else at the time, what does Emery offer that Rafa wouldn’t? This with the leanings toward Rafa given his knowledge of the league and command of the language.

  29. Joe

    If City are offering Arteta the gig next, you can bet he’s probably pretty good

    Pedro, id stop saying that if I were you

    1) you have absolutely no idea what city is thinking. They probably don’t even know as they probably want pep to stay for a decade

    2) you’re gonna look like a fool again aka #gazidisgate
    3) no club bar arsenal showed interest in arteta even though there were dozens on dozens of clubs looking for a manager.

  30. China

    If you promote Rafa, ancelloti, jardim etc as better choices than emery at least that’s a serious conversation and I wouldn’t shit on those guys

    But arteta in summer 2018 would’ve been n unbelievably careless gamble

  31. Joe

    Haha China exactly

    Pedro. We all know you hate being wrong but let it go man.

    You have no idea about what man city is thinking

  32. Champagne charlie

    Pedro

    That link highlights what I felt I could see live, a real imbalance up top and in particular having a team that includes both Ramsey and Ozil.

    For me, Ramsey gets the boot and Mesut stays. This brings Guendouzi into the middle and you can narrow our CM to accommodate Laca and Auba up top with Ozil ‘in the hole/floating’. Right now Auba is playing as a wide left and not a wide forward where he was producing under Wenger. Ramsey too is stifling Ozil impact on matters with the eating of space.

  33. Olumide

    Champagne Charlie
    I guess Emery was picked as PSG manager while strolling on the streets of Paris.

    It had nothing to do with his previous record.

    And Europa league was so simple the Emery beat Klopp (who’s the greatest genius ever) with Sevilla to complete his hattrick.

  34. Pierre

    Olumide

    “Yeah Pep and Wenger’s words probably mean more than Emery’s record of winning 8 major trophies in 5 seasons.”

    Interesting……8 major trophies?(1 league title)

    So are we admitting that winning FA cups are now major trophies

    You are also saying that the trophee de champions is a major trophy (league winners v cup winners= community shield) …I’m sure they were not even considered a trophy let alone a major trophy .

    If my memory serves me right,the Europa cup was belittled on here last season but now it’s a major trophy.

    Personally,I think winning any of these trophies should be applauded whoever is the manager.

  35. Olumide

    Pierre
    You are also saying that the trophee de champions is a major trophy (league winners v cup winners= community shield) …I’m sure they were not even considered a trophy let alone a major trophy .

    If I included these 2, it would be 10 not 8.

  36. Olumide

    Pierre
    If my memory serves me right,the Europa cup was belittled on here last season but now it’s a major trophy.

    Even though we didn’t want to be in that competition, I bet most Arsenal fans wanted us to win it. Especially after it was announced Wenger was leaving.

  37. Michael24

    So according to some on here, including Pedro, “Emery is bland”.

    Personally, after years of predictable carnage and clueless leadership, I’ll take “bland” all day long.

    To change a complete operating structure, as well as the mindsets and methods of the players, will take time. If it means therefore that our “take the game to the opposition and suffer the consequences” philosophies are undermined, then I’ll take that all day long.

    To be honest, I’m getting more joy and excitement out of just anticipating that something may eventually happen in a game, rather than knowing the outcome in advance.

    If you seriously thought that Emery would come in and magically transform the team and the players, then I’m afraid you’re only kidding yourselves.

    Stop acting like spoilt school kids and enjoy the fudging ride, even if it is only for 15 minutes every game.

  38. Pierre

    Joe
    “I’m getting up early to watch the matches because I am excited to watch arsenal play again”

    Oh dear ,how deflating for you ,waking up in the middle of the night full of excitement……and then the match kicks off and you must think to yourself ,why did I bother.

  39. China

    Wenger being called a great mind of the footballing world in recent times literally got a belly laugh out of me

    Don’t make me post some of the genius quotes that guy came out with. Our very own very stable genius Jesus Christ

  40. Batistuta

    Jeez

    This place is like a coven for bitter witches when Arsenal win these days, bet some of you are licking your lips for when we finally lose another game so they can say ” we told you so”

  41. Champagne charlie

    Olumide

    Right but PSG aren’t a typical hire to other top sides in Europe are they? There’s no domestic rival and their one goal is European success.

    On that basis you can see quite comfortably why Unai ‘just won a hat trick of Europa leagues’ Emery fit the bill.

    Are you related to him at all? You seem another heavily triggered at anyone who dares scratch the surface in analysis of current affairs. Bit odd.

  42. China

    Why would he be deflated? We’re winning.

    Also you can criticize the quality of the play to some degree but how are these games boring?

    The AKBs claim that we constantly get carved open, and we’re simultaneously scoring 2+ goals a game and winning but the matches are boring. Right.

  43. Michael24

    Pierre

    It all boiled down to the fact that as long as Wenger remained at the club, everything was meaningless for most fans.

    Maybe one day you’ll understand.

  44. China

    7 wins on the bounce, 2+ goals a game after week 1, our defense often gifting the opposition chances and goals, most of our goals coming late on in smash and grab fashion, a manager throwing comedy actions around on the touch line and we’re told this is boring

    What planet are you guys on?

    Critique the quality of the football but boring? Bland? What are you on lol

  45. Receding hairline

    Charlie spends his time deriding the arsenal manager.. Playing down his achievements in the game while bigging up an average ex footballer as an exciting hire

    His only defense is to ask people why they are triggered when pulled up on it before resorting to tantrums and insults.

    As for Pedro..it’s his blog and he can peddle whatever agenda he fancies..but the day will come someone will succeed pep at city. That someone won’t be Arteta. Its a pity lessons weren’t learnt from the Gazidis debacle.

  46. shbhlando

    we’ve been playing with 1 shite cb, (holding looked good btw), ramsey/ozil senseless combo, and one striker adding basically nothing for 2 of every 3 games and we are still winning…drop mustafi, ramsey, and auba, and we will compete for 4th…maybe play our 3 “dms” against the top 3 with auba, laca, and ozil and we may have a chance to nick some games against mc, liverpool, and chelsea who are the only teams that look far better than us this year.

  47. Michael24

    Pierre

    You’re like a metronome.

    Regular, repetitive and predictable.

    Grip, stance, swing, contact, follow through…………..Grip, stance, swing, contact follow through. You get the idea.

    You deserve a prize.

  48. China

    In marketing it looks messy to push one direction then change your mind/admit it was wrong soon after

    Pedro bet the house on Gazidis then went for arteta. He’s not going to change tac now. And since we never got arteta the ‘we’ll never know’ is the default defense of any form of logical reason why we shouldn’t have got him.

    Ironically if arteta had actually stopped sitting in peps shadow and fucked off to do some actual managing and he got linked After a couple of years I’d take him seriously. But he hasn’t. So ‘we’ll never know’ is the extent of rational debate we’ll be getting here

  49. Receding hairline

    Chelsea completing a lot of meaningless passes doesn’t mean they play well… How many clear cut chances do they create per game.. Did anyone bother to watch the Liverpool game and see how many times liverpool got behind the defense only to fluff their lines…where is the Chelsea were Lucky comments? I didn’t know a good team were supposed to give up zero chances per game

  50. Champagne charlie

    “Charlie spends his time deriding the arsenal manager.. Playing down his achievements in the game while bigging up an average ex footballer as an exciting hire“

    That’s cute, but not true. Just an unimaginative spin from someone that treats Emery like a loved one.

    We’ve been unconvincing and disjointed thus far, argue that if you like but i’m entitled to call it as I personally see it. Don’t see me jumping on your back for worshipping the path Emery walks.

    Same as with his hire, I again have some questions over it and criticise the board and leadership for the decision to go safe. Not once have I derided Emery, and your continued ‘defence’ of him is ridiculous. If you’re happy as Larry then good for you, on with your day.

  51. China

    Jamie I think Pedro was calling Vieira city’s next manager even as recently as a year ago. Until he quit the American club he was ‘farmed’ out to to prep him for the job

    Funny that

  52. Olumide

    Champagne Charlie
    Right but PSG aren’t a typical hire to other top sides in Europe are they? There’s no domestic rival and their one goal is European success.On that basis you can see quite comfortably why Unai ‘just won a hat trick of Europa leagues’ Emery fit the bill. Are you related to him at all? You seem another heavily triggered at anyone who dares scratch the surface in analysis of current affairs. Bit odd.

    By this reasoning, Guardiola was a failure at Bayern?

    Lol related to Emery. Most of the things I’ve posted about Emery are facts. Facts that you can check up for yourself. Facts that you’ve been under playing with every comment.

    Records you’ll blow up if a rival’s manager has it. What’s a bit odd is you trying to parade Emery as a poor manager despite winning 8 trophies in 5 years.

    Meanwhile people like Klopp, Sarri, and Pochettino get a free pass.

    Another fact for you: Emery has the highest league point per game and win percentage of any PSG manager.

  53. China

    Give up zero chances and dominate going forwards with penetrative triangles. All goals should be from outside the box and scored with the outside of the boot as well otherwise it’s just bland

  54. Pedro

    China, I don’t want you to think I was Arteta or bust.

    I just liked to idea.

    Nagelsmann, Gallardo, Tuchel and Allegri also excited me.

    Emery was the last person I thought we’d end up with.

    He’s just a safe bet. He’s not a next level chaser.

  55. China

    If you were here every day saying you wish we’d gone for bagelsman instead then I might not agree but Id get where you’re coming from

    Arteta doesn’t correlate with the others you mentioned though because he isn’t a football manager. The guy has managed as many football matches as my nan (assuming my nan doesn’t have a secret past)

  56. Champagne charlie

    Olumide

    Yea except I didn’t call Emery a poor manager at any stage today, or previously. I said his record is predicated more on European success than it was domestically – a record I said a was “great”, and fitting reason for PSG to look to hire him given that’s where they wanted to compete most.

    Go ahead with the facts, what was Emery’s crowning league achievement before PSG?

    Because unlike you I fail to see the benefits of hiring someone with a strong European success, I’d sooner see us go for someone with a track record of taking 6/10’s and making them 8/10’s, or delivering a mid-term vision of making us a European giant. Emery doesn’t have a CV for that, that’s a fact. not a sure why it garners the reaction from people such as you and Receding.

  57. China

    The day arteta has managed more professional football matches than my nan is the day we can begin to get an idea of what he’s about

    Before then it’s just random hope from a couple of references

    I have no particular loyalty to emery mind. I hope he builds on what he’s done and makes the necessary next steps in the coming months. But even if emery was a safe choice, I think safe is ok when you have a mess like this squad. This was an exceptional circumstances and the PL is too competitive for us to take too many risks that could majorly backfire

    I’d prefer we have a safe choice who can keep us afloat in the top 6 relatively easily and hopefully drag us to top 4/win the EL to help us start to reach the next level slowly.

    The idea that someone (anyone) bold was gonna come in, tear up everything terrible (ie everything lol) and have them purring as a well oiled machine playing good football and with a good defense was always hopeful imo

    As far as I’m concerned, I never asked for miracles and I won’t expect or ask them of our first manager post wenger. I only asked for someone who can get a bit more blood out of this stone (we’re winning so seems like we are) and one who is willing to make adjustments from week to week (he has).

  58. Receding hairline

    I guess we are going to brush Emery’s valencia record out of the history book. That was where he did his best work.. Keeping a team in financial difficulties third for three seasons in a roll. I guess only his relatives remember that.

  59. Guns of SF

    I think part of the issue is, that we are beating crap teams ugly. We have not found our best team nor have been playing great eye watching football
    I get the feeling this is how its going to be this season. We do not have the personnel to play the beuatiful attacking game,- with slow Xhaka, Ozil and Ramsey.
    This is a slow midfield.

    Something has to give and I doubt another coach would have a MUCH better solution given what we have to play with.

    January will be the time to see what we can do to mold this team appropriately. We had time in summer to get more players but likely Emery wanted to see what he could do first.

    I cant wait for Jan. Hoping for winger and another player

  60. Olumide

    Champagne Charlie
    Because unlike you I fail to see the benefits of hiring someone with a strong European success, I’d sooner see us go for someone with a track record of taking 6/10’s and making them 8/10’s, or delivering a mid-term vision of making us a European giant. Emery doesn’t have a CV for that, that’s a fact. not a sure why it garners the reaction from people such as you and Receding.
    —-
    Maybe you should check Emery’s record of developing players at Almeria, Valencia, Sevilla, and PSG.

  61. Joe

    Pierre

    and then the match kicks off and you must think to yourself ,why did I bother

    Nope
    That was only during the last dozen years with le cunt and fraud specialist in failure wenger

    I’m loving seeing us win. Energy in the team. The crowd is alive.

    Funny. As soon as we got rid of the anchor that was holding us back the Emirates has come alive

    Now to get rid of akbs like Pierre and victorious.

  62. Receding hairline

    You have to first off finish in the leagues top four… Then win a European trophy of any sort before looking to be European giants.

    I wonder did pep make Bayern European giants? He failed there if the goal was champions league

    Nagglesman is next level yet has settled for lipezig a year early.. Very ambitious

    Let’s see Tuchel win the champions league with PSG.. Show Emery how it is done

  63. useroz

    “Trouble is, now he’s going to be uninterested for the rest of the season. He’d be a useful player if he was on top form.”

    Trouble is, when was Ramsey on top form, or anything close?

    Walcott at least on top form every time he played for a new contract.

    If Ramsey doesn’t agree to leave in Jan, don’t play him at all. Why display something in the shop window that you can’t sell??

    On the other hand, our attacking football is really shit. It’s like awkward, ad hoc, abrupt, an almost by chance (luck?). Don’t see any tactics they’ might be training for daily..

    Last season, our home games were more than fine it’s only losing most of the away games that hurt. It’s hopefully not that hard after all.

  64. Champagne charlie

    Olumide
    Maybe you should note that not all management jobs have the same demands, Arsenal is one of success and trophies. Something Emery hasn’t provided at clubs prior to PSG, sorry that’s lost on you but it’s a point of fact and nothing more. Only you can Receding seem to have this emotional response to anything bar lavish praise of Emery.

    Receding
    You ran away from a previous discussion about Emery when you started ridiculing and the like, why bother re-agitating the POV? Rafa, a manager I directly compared with Emery, took Valencia to the title.

    He would’ve made more sense to me as a manager to work with the club in the shorter term to recalibrate us. Honestly the fact you can’t accept alternative POV on Emery is pathetic, I don’t care what you have to say let’s just leave it at that.

  65. Up 4 grabs now

    Evening all,

    A few points to digest,

    1, Emery has probably only had all his squad for two months now and that’s after a world cup. Not even 3 months and people are questioning why he hasn’t been able to turn that shit sandwich of a defence into a solid one.

    Pep couldn’t do it in his first year and blew 100 million plus on fullbacks and centrebacks Alone.
    We got Nick the Greek for 18million and the other three are last season’s defence, and people are questioning emery as to why the defence is shoddy.
    Xhaka is still playing, so that’s like playing with ten men every time.

    2, arteta would have us playing exciting football? Haha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
    One game as coach with a city side miles better than ours and lost. Probably would have loved xhaka though, it’s like looking in a mirror with his shit safe crab football.

    3,. I mention Bielsa because he’s bringing elite level ideas to very average players. Emery took over from an artist, not a butcher, it shouldn’t be taking this long to see an identity.
    Really Pedro? I love the blog and you are the man, but really?

    Leeds have been in and around the play offs so many times and blown it like spurs do In a one horse race!
    If and its a big if, if Leeds get promoted, do you think Bielsa will turn Leeds into a top six premier league side?

    Not without 200-300 million to help him, the championship and premier league are two completely different beasts.

    What emery needs is time, we all know we aren’t finishing top three, we knew that before the season started, but we have an outside chance of top four that’s the only goal for this season, anything else is a huge bonus.

  66. azed

    Pedro
    what have the Nagelsmann, Gallardo, and Tuchel achieved compared to Emery?

    What makes them more exciting Emery?

  67. Olumide

    Receding
    I guess we are going to brush Emery’s valencia record out of the history book. That was where he did his best work.. Keeping a team in financial difficulties third for three seasons in a roll. I guess only his relatives remember that.

    The funny thing is that managers who have done this (e.g Pochettino) without the trophies are seen as more exciting.

  68. Joe

    Pierre

    If you’re so bored with arsenal and wish you didn’t bother watching.

    No one is forcing you to watch Pierre

    Why don’t you just

    Fuck off down the lane then Pierre. Go support someone else.

    Fuck off from the Arsenal and let the real fans enjoy arsenal winning matches.

  69. Receding hairline

    Charlie you don’t care what I have to say yet you are responding to me despite the fact I choose to ignore your stupidity from earlier. I don’t care about whatever you have to say about Emery either and I won’t be responding to you myself so jog on. Wait for bamford to come on so you can harass him.. That’s only what you are good at.

  70. Olumide

    Champagne Charlie
    Maybe you should note that not all management jobs have the same demands, Arsenal is one of success and trophies. Something Emery hasn’t provided at clubs prior to PSG, sorry that’s lost on you but it’s a point of fact and nothing more. Only you can Receding seem to have this emotional response to anything bar lavish praise of Emery.
    —-
    I guess we can discard his 3 Europa leagues at Sevilla then. For the record, he won 5 out of 8 trophies on offer.

  71. Receding hairline

    @ azed

    They are younger and talk a good game without actual winners medals to show for it. Their teams play a fast paced game that when it goes wrong goes spectacularly wrong.

    Anyway all those names are just a smoke screen..all we are discussing here is Arteta being a better manager than Emery based on nothing but word around the City training ground

  72. Champagne charlie

    Receding

    I responded to you because you openly spoke about me on here with your “Charlie spends his time…” quip.

    You continue your holier than thou crusade you believe yourself to be on, not once have I criticised your POV about Emery but here you are stating mine is “stupid”, and making more quips about “harassing” Banford. It’s fucking pathetic and you want to try and throw mud at me?

    I called you petulant before and this is precisely why. Your intolerance to other POVs is a joke, get over yourself.

  73. Champagne charlie

    Olumide

    I’ve already made the point about Emery regarding domestic success, and the correlation of what is wanted at Arsenal. Nobody is dismissing his Europa league record, I myself said it was a “great” record so best keep abreast of the points being made instead of waging a futile war of words because you feel Emery has been wronged.

    He doesn’t have a strong domestic record of success in the vein Arsenal are hoping to rekindle. If we win the Europa league this season but finish 5th, then we retain the Europa league and finish 5th that’s not where I want to see Arsenal. I want us on the way to being Premier League champions again and I have reservations, that’s all they are here, about Emery being able to deliver that.

    I’ll reiterate, this stance you and a couple of others have toward Emery is baffling. The irony is palpable in an environment know almost exclusively for how it forensically picked apart Wengers reign in the latter years. To suggest that not being confident in a manger is somehow worthy of the commentary is frankly ridiculous.

  74. Northbanker

    I don’t really understand why we’re debating Emery at all

    The guy has only been here 5 mins – had 2 nightmare opponents to begin with and has won every game since
    Sure there are some questions – much as Id love to see us NOT playing Xhaka Ramsey and Mustafi were not blessed with decent senior options and playing the kids is a huge risk
    It really wouldn’t matter who we appointed – Wenger had spent most of the money on crap, left a shit legacy (sad considering the early years) saddled us with Ozil and you can practically only blend in so many new players in one go anyway
    Name as many great and promising managers as you want – to me completely irrelevant
    Emery has made a solid start , has a huge task on his hands but is diligently getting on with the job inc starting to bring best out of Holding and Iwobi
    And why ffs would we need to debate him now when he’s only been in situ in real terms a matter of weeks

  75. Joe

    North Banker

    That’s all fine and dandy.

    But he isn’t winning every match 6-0. Boring!

    Told you to be careful what you wished for.

  76. Joe

    North Banker

    That’s all fine and dandy.

    But he isn’t winning every match 6-0. Boring!

    Told you to be careful what you wished for.

    Wish we had wenger back!

  77. Kay

    Hiring someone exciting is fine. But not after a 10 yr downward spiral.

    Perfectly happy with someone like emery to steady the ship and later hand it over to someone exciting.

    Slating emery after 7 games is absolutely disgraceful and that too with xhaka and mustafi still doing duty in the starting 11.

  78. Champagne charlie

    Michael24

    That’s fair enough, his record is pretty average to shite anyway if I’m not mistaken.

  79. Joe

    CC

    His record is not good at all at the Ryder cup

    But honestly it’s the only time I want to see woods not do well. And that’s more because of the yank thing than him personally

    Love watching Europe win the Ryder cup.

  80. Victorious

    Ogbeni Receding calm down, No need going after Charlie like he took away your toy, I mean he’s equally entitled to his opinion, don’t expect everyone to worship at the alter of Emery.he hasn’t earn that right, we’re winning YES but the football is painful,literally like a blow to the nutsack.

  81. Joe

    Pierre

    If we get into CL for next season, and maybe win Europa or another trophy and we still play in the same way as you feel we are playing right now

    Would you be happy with the job Emery has done?

  82. Joe

    Victorious.

    It’s better than the football
    Wenger had us playing the last 7-8 years

    And Emery is going to improve as he’s only been here for 9 matches. Wenger was getting worse every day but you didn’t seem to mind that

  83. Victorious

    You know it’s time to give up when folk like Joey of all people is trotting out ‘Go on and support another club’

    would be funny if it wasn’t so painful

  84. Champagne charlie

    Joe

    Eh, prefer when the Ryder cup is neck and neck for the excitement. Prefer to see them all firing on all cylinders too; the yanks looked like they’d done 4/5 games of beer pong too many early in the week.

  85. Joe

    Vicky

    Been around a lot longer than you have. And will be here a lot after you fuck off

    What’s painful is listening to you Akbs whi have been here less than a cup of tea. Only supported arsenal because of wenger.

    So yes please, give up and go support someone else. Hopefully wenger be managing a new team soon and all your dreams
    Of wenger-ball will come true

  86. Joe

    Vicki

    Would you take :

    3 FA Cups over the last 12 years ( not 5) I don’t know why Akbs say 4 or 5 years. It was 12

    Being a laughing stock in CL. Being pushed out at the round of 16 for 7 straight seasons

    Losing 8-2, 6-0, 6-3, Bradford. Bham, forest, 4-4,4-4, 5-1, etc etc etc.

    Would you?

  87. englandsbest

    Bamford10

    It’s a surprise that someone stateside waves the flag for Stan. What he did to the city of St Louis and the people of St Louis was unforgiveable. Maybe you don’t dig the mid-west?

    It’s also totally ludicrous to say that he hasn’t operated constraints on Arsenal. There were at least two seasons when, for want of a decent GK and/or CB Arsenal probably missed out on PL titles. At the time the two would have cost under £30m and there was circa £150m in the current account. And we have it on record direct from both Wenger and Gazidis, that Stan refused to give his permission.

    He operates a bottom-line policy, the Club could only spend its revenue. Fair enough, but he was sly enough to fix it that transfers and wages came out of the same pot. And that the stadium debt repayments were treated as part of running expenses.

    Those are constraints. They stopped the Club fom winning things.

  88. Cesc Appeal

    The LA Rams are doing great right now, the Denver Nuggets were also a team many thought could be a surprise package this year and they opened up by beating the LA Lakers quite comfortably.

    Kroenke’s franchises are starting to do well.

  89. Bob N16

    Joe,
    When someone disagrees with someone else’s POV, and then accuses them of being an AKB regardless of context, it does give the impression that their argument is weak.

  90. Cesc Appeal

    Lot of rumours that Arsenal are interested in Zielinski and Pepe/Sarr in January, it would be great if Emery could start building the team he wants.

    The instructions he has given Iwobi make it clear he wants a winger, telling Iwobi to take people on and not worry if he f**ks up, try again, shooting more etc.

    We could land Rabiot on a free as well if we get UCL and have rebuilt the midfield by the start of next season with the biggest outlay being Zielinski.

  91. Pierre

    Joe
    You need to try a different line of conversation, try and expand beyond wenger and/or AKB because you end up having a conversation with yourself on here as you never have anything worthwhile to say.

  92. Joe

    Bob

    If the shoe fits

    Vicky

    I’ll wait for your answers.

    If it’s 3 FA Cups in 5 years which would be a much better achievement than 3 in 12 but that’s neither here nor there. That’s another discussion

    But 3 in 5 with strong league challenges and a good run in the CL would
    Be a massive improvement from
    The previous failure of a manager where we were a laughing stock in the league and CL.

  93. Joe

    Pierre

    Rather a conversation with myself than a conversation with a lonely old man like you who has a wenger fetish

  94. azed

    CA

    There’s no way we are buying Zielinski. The Napoli owner/CEO (not sure) is in the same category as Lyon’s chairman: they don’t sell cheap.

  95. Joe

    Here you go pierre

    If we get into CL for next season, and maybe win Europa or another trophy and we still play in the same way as you feel we are playing right nowWould you be happy with the job Emery has done?

    Let me ask you what vic asked me

    If Emery wins 3 FA Cups in the next 5 years.

    Would you be happy?

  96. Joe

    Northern banker

    I say the exact same things you did in your last post

    So what’s that make you if I’m a bore if you’re repeating what I say

  97. Redtruth

    You would have to be a beast of a manager to win a league containing Barcelona and Real Madrid with a side like Sevilla

    Pound for pound Emery is the best manager in the world…

  98. Michael24

    To all our American bloggers.

    What’s the fallout in the States after the Ryder Cup defeat?

    Who’s blaming who?

    Maybe you should consider building proper golf courses, rather than the manicured lawns that scatter the landscape.

    Also, don’t pick players based on reputation, especially when those players have a shite Ryder Cup record.

  99. Joe

    Tiger has been one of the best players on the planet for the last few months

    That’s not reputation. He made it on merit

    He was one putt away from winning the fed ex

  100. Michael24

    If Eddie Howe was Spanish/Italian/German, he would be one of the most sort after managers in Europe.

    Has done an absolutely amazing job at Bournemouth.

  101. T

    Mustafi and xhaka arent really that good players…

    Kozielny and monreal have really carried the left side and middle of defence and now that kozzer is gone and not protecting xhaka and mustafi all the time they are getting absolutely spanked in every single game.

    I really rate big papa thou and he will do well if mustafi gets replaced with a fast sweeper.

  102. Joe

    Especially your answer Pierre as you’ve been throwing out “ 3 FA Cups in 4 years” ( even though it 3 in 12 years but whatever) like it’s the greatest achievement ever.

  103. Champagne charlie

    “if you were Canadian you’d understand why I like seeing the yanks get smashed haha”

    Lol fair. Careful though, you’ll have Banford crying racist with remarks like that.

  104. Joe

    Charlie

    Bam has no sense of humour.

    He actually takes Le Grove quite serious and feels his the big man on campus here

  105. Michael24

    Joe

    True, but he shouldn’t play Ryder Cup. Even he knows that.

    It’s embarrassing to watch him play, in such a magnificent team based environment.

  106. PessimisticPat

    Would love to go to a dinner party with Charlie,can imagine his straight talking might get socially awkward at times. Maybe im wrong CC and you’re more tactful in real life,if so apologies. Not a negative just find some of your insults in posts hilarious.

    On the arsenal debate above everyone seems to think either we’re shit or great. You can be somewhere between those two things.

    I don’t think we have been great so far but neither do i accept that we have won through luck. Thats horseshit. It is only our poor finishing that is making the matches as close as they have been. Had pea and laca (and several others too) put some of the gilt edged chances weve had away then this luck crap wouldn’t be raised at all. Yes defensively we have looked poor at times but what team wouldn’t while learning a new way of playing, especially one unused to change after Wenger’s prolonged tenure.

    Another thing to consider is that emery may adjust things as the season progresses. Most managers do when starting in a new country. It takes time,and i am willing to give him it.

    Up the gunners. And up yours to any US golf fans ahahahaha

  107. PessimisticPat

    “Englandsbest :

    It’s also totally ludicrous to say that he hasn’t operated constraints on Arsenal. There were at least two seasons when, for want of a decent GK and/or CB Arsenal probably missed out on PL titles. At the time the two would have cost under £30m and there was circa £150m in the current account. And we have it on record direct from both Wenger and Gazidis, that Stan refused to give his permission.”

    If you could point me in the direction of where this was said and is “on record” it would be most appreciated. Cheers

  108. Bamford10

    No, Joe, actually I don’t. And I do in fact have a sense of humor. Alex Cutter makes me laugh out loud all of the time. As does gambon. As do a couple of others.
    I don’t find people insulting me very funny — if that’s what you’re referring to — but no one does.

  109. Leedsgunner

    “I do not care if we are bland. We are winning… and sport to me is all about winning.”

    Having said that, I’m not saying we are bland by the way… it’s been fascinating trying to understand what makes Emery tick. He’s making mistakes but somehow he’s making them whilst winning.

    Brilliant.

    Well done Arsenal.

    Well done Emery.

  110. Leedsgunner

    I wonder if Wenger will have the “cojones” to apply for the Man United job when Mourinho is given his marching orders….

    In a way given the bitter rivalry between the two manager throughout the years… I could imagine it would satisfy Wenger’s ego.

    After years of Wenger enduring Mournho’s taunts about being a specialist in failure, for him to take up the mantle would be absolutely hilarious… and worth it for pure bantz value.

    If it happened, can you imagine Alexis’ face?

    LMAO just thinking about it.

  111. Joe

    “I do not care if we are bland. We are winning… and sport to me is all about winning.”Having said that, I’m not saying we are bland by the way… it’s been fascinating trying to understand what makes Emery tick. He’s making mistakes but somehow he’s making them whilst winning. Brilliant.Well done Arsenal.Well done Emery.

    Leeds I think I just fell in love haha

    You’re spot on. I love watching arsenal again. Excited about arsenal again. And have enjoyed every match.

    Emery’s red and white army