Project British Youth nearly dead with Ramsey departure

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What a wally I looked yesterday!

How could I doubt John Cross. The man from The Mirror came back from the dead. He stole the internet crown from David Ornstein. A GoT like plotline.

Aaron Ramsey is DONE with Arsenal.

Now, I really don’t know what the fuck is going on here. So here are some bits that I do know, mashed in with guesswork. I won’t tell you which is what to keep you on your toes.

Mesut Ozil getting £350k a week was a massive mistake.

Aaron Ramsey’s agent pushed for that number.

Arsenal has withdrawn the deal.

Now, something must have gone on here that was major.

Did his agent name the number and refuse to budge?

Did the club catch wind of a deal with another club?

Did Arsenal decide that the money Aaron wanted didn’t match his ability?

Was it a blend of all of the above?

Here’s my thinking on it. He’s just too expensive for what he gives to the team.

Aaron is a good player, I struggle to see the greatness.

He works best when he’s allowed to do what the fuck he wants. He’s not really fitting into the Emery system at the moment. There are younger players with a better record of fitness that could do his job.

Additionally, the club is severely short of talent that works in Emery’s system. We need a winger. We need a replacement for Koscielny. We’re going to need to upgrade at leftback. There are a lot of holes in the squad. I’m not sure the best place to invest £91m is on Aaron Ramsey over 5 years.

The next area of planning Arsenal need to address in the transfer market is hot young players in the mold of Torreira. Players like Sarr. Those that’ll come in on £50k a week, and maybe look like Dembele in 2 years.

If we’re going to splash out galactico money, we should be doing that on transfer fees, not on wages.

The worst thing to happen to Arsenal this year was tying Mesut down to a £18.2m deal over 4 years. It was a crazy moment driven by ego and misplaced fear. There was nothing ambitious about it. I said at the time, the best leverage Arsenal had was that no other club in Europe had gone near him. But we pulled the trigger because the press of losing him wouldn’t have reflected well on Ivan. Now Emery is in, he can’t use him as a 10 and if he’s played on the right, he clearly hates it and it doesn’t really click.

Here’s the question now on Rambo. Where is he going?

Juventus won’t pay him galactico money, because they don’t have it. The Milan rumour is fucking hilarious if true, Ivan promising to make him as rich as him at a new club.

Will he move to Chelsea? United? City? Will they pay him mega money? It’s hard to see it, because, despite his talent, he’s not disciplined because he’s never been properly coached (until this season).

Another guess, he’s pushing Arsenal for mega money, if he doesn’t get it, he’ll chase trophies.

Whatever the deal, if Arsenal has pulled out of negotiations, I trust the decision. We have footballing brains on the team now. Raul will have made the case money wise, Sven and Emery will be looking at his data and comparing what they could buy for that money elsewhere, and the decision will be a sound one.

It’s sad that he wants to move on. I’ll always have a soft spot for him. I think the real issue is the loss of control over the narrative. Ramsey will now come under intense scrutiny. His body language, perceived effort, dedication, how hard he goes into challenges… and ultimately, he’s likely going to become a target of fan angst… and that’s a shame.

It’s like living in the same house as a partner you’ve broken up with. It’ll be sunshine and rainbows for a month, because you’re mature people. Then something will happen. He’ll drop a stinker against Spurs, and that’ll be it. Game over. Get the f*ck out of my house you selfish bitch, how could you do this to me! GET THE FUCK AWAY FROM MY CAT!

Anyway, sad times, but fuck it… we’ll move on, we’ll find better, we’ll survive his loss. Hardly an RVP or Cesc moment.

Finally, how can you not look at that picture at the top of the blog and not feel a little sad? Project British Youth was the most miserable failure of Wenger’s tenure. The vision was interesting, but the execution was diabolical. You know why? Shite coaching. Imagine those players under Klopp? We’d be in a very different place right now…

Wipe those tears, we’re done.

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  1. un na naai

    I’m really starting to enjoy the emery effect
    Holding looks better, iwobi looks better xakha looks better, Bellerin is looking better. Cech is better. Lacazette is better. Welbeck is looking good too. These players were stuck in a rut and needed not only a change but fresh inspiration. They were not challenged enough. The intensity of training suits them. They look fitter and hungrier. They want to be challenged.

    I’m feeling quite excited about this season.

  2. un na naai

    Victorious

    Cech is our leader
    He’s been our best player this season. Leon isn’t ready to assume gk responsibilities just yet.

    No way would I phase Cech out.

  3. Up 4 grabs now

    Just rewatching the game again this morning, knowing the score and that we win there isn’t that anxious feeling you get watching it live.
    It’s amazing how much more you see in the game second time around, that you miss. I would definitely recommend it.
    Things I didn’t notice yesterday.

    How did Will Hughes not get two yellows for the multiple fouls committed, he is quite a skilful player but dirty as anything. Somebody mentioned yesterday how Watford reminded them of Wimbledon from the eighties.

    Emery celebrating the goals like he’s just won the champions league, it’s nice to see Real passion from the manager. Even with five minutes to go he was on the touchline directing the players.

    Why was Ramsay shaking his head when he got taken off he was rubbish. And you can tell he’s on his way out now, sooner the better.

  4. Michael24

    un na naai

    Nope, as a sporting contest, this beats the lot and I’m not a huge golfing fan.

    The atmosphere and tension is unbelievable.

  5. Pierre

    Un
    The weird thing is ,our games have all followed a similar path since the Chelsea game.
    We have put the games to bed in a 10/15 minute spell.in the 2nd half after struggling to make any impact in the first half.

    Emery has used his substitutes very well and normally they have made the difference.

    Can’t quite make out if we have just been fortunate or is it some master plan by Emery .
    West ham ,everton,watford,Newcastle ,Cardiff and even Brentford all looked dangerous and we could/should have been easily behind in all of those games and dropped points…..but we didn’t.

    These wins have put us in a good position in the league which creates positivity in the fan base and gives Emery breathing space whilst he is still looking for the correct balance and formation.

  6. Michael24

    It’s great to see Arsenal grafting out results.

    Lacazette has become my favourite player.

    Welbeck also looks good when he comes on.

    Iwobi looks like a man possessed.

  7. Up 4 grabs now

    Un Na,

    I would agree emery has put some competitiveness back into the side. No one is safe from being dropped or subbed.

    Complacency was awful the last few years, players who were struggling definitely looked better yesterday, you can’t judge it just on yesterday’s game though, time will tell.
    But you can see small improvements as each game goes by.

    I feel a lot more confident of getting champions league football next year. looking at how the top six from last year,are playing, fourth is more of a possibility now.

  8. Jamie

    Wenger and Ramsey at Milan with Gazidis would be hilarious. Just when their supporters thought it couldn’t get any worse, the Arsenal rejects show up.

  9. raptora

    Don,
    Ozil has always been a crybaby when he doesn’t get the ball precisely where he wants to. I can remember several players throughout the years reacting the same way – all of them lazy to the bottom of their bones, my compatriot Berbatov included. Not a plus in my eyes to focus your anger towards a teammate when you know that things like that happen. And towards a teammate that is a better player than you and you’ve stunk the place. Berbatov had the same reactions towards Rooney and co. Much better players than him. It’s inexcusable. Bad temperament. And bad for the team atmosphere. You remember Messi reacting like this to Iniesta or Xavi?! Or Bergkamp to Henry or vice versa?! Doesn’t happen between top people. Only cry fkin babies do that.

  10. Up 4 grabs now

    Michael,

    Would actually like to see wellbeck contract sorted out now Ramsays has been withdrawn.

    Welbz will never be top quality but he is a good squad player and we need players like him and elneney to come in and play certain games. To cover suspension and some of the lesser games.

  11. Thorough

    Un Nai Nai
    Who up front?
    What about defence?
    We need a centre half and a left back more urgently than a left winger right now.The Torreira and xakha axis seems to be working nicely though. Better than pogba-matic at United

    We won’t change the whole 11 in one summer. If by the the of the season we have the following 11 and bench I’ll be very happy:
    Leno
    Bellerin Papa Kos Kolasinac
    Torreira AMN/Xhaka
    Fekir
    Mkhi Lacazette Thauvin

    Bench: Cech/Martinez, Licht, Monreal/Bukayo Saka, Mavropanos, Holding, Guendozi, Elneny, Smith-Rowe, Iwobi, Ozil…

  12. un na naai

    Pierre

    Well the Chelsea game was a prime example
    Xakha goes off and we lose the battle in midfield
    I feel had we gone with xakha and Torreira we may have taken something from the game

  13. Bob N16

    Iwobi seems much stronger in challenges, am I right in thinking that he mentioned that he was working hatred in the gym this summer. Whether it’s a physical thing or whether it’s mentally given him a boost, he definitely looks a prospect again. . A couple of goals and he’ll hopefully push on further.

    One moment yesterday reminded me of the time John Fashanu ‘bent over’ to the North Bank, whilst slapping his arse with both hands, when a chant mentioned that his brother Justin was willing to ‘take it up the……’. We cheered Fashanu for his response.

    Similarly yesterday, Deeney was taken a drink in a break in player by our goal. The inevitable, ‘You fat bastard’ was sung in unison and Deeney, with a smile on his face, lifted up his shirt to show a definitive six pack. He then got a ‘Deeney, Deeney you’re a c@@t but it was sung with a smile rather than a snarl. He is a wind up but I like it when a player gives it back a little…

  14. Up 4 grabs now

    Steve whats wrong with giving your third choice striker a new deal?
    You need a squad, you don’t play the same eleven players every game.
    And you need a player that can come in and out of the side.
    Would you rather auba or lacazette had played 90 minutes against Brentford or in the previous Europa tie?

  15. Bob N16

    Up4, I would be ok with Welbeck staying but if we can sell Ramsey and Welbeck in January and invest in a winger and ‘promote’ Nketiah”, I would be happier still.

  16. un na naai

    Through

    I know we won’t change the whole side and not would I want us too but the most pressing issue for us right now in terms of signings is a new centre half with good feet. That’s got to be our priority with kos getting on and injury prone. Papa not the answer and Mustafi not good enough for teams with any sort of aspirations. Then we have to be looking at left back and a winger unless Welbeck can make that right wing his own, I believe he can.

  17. Jamie

    “Ramsey’s win percentage is 65%. This tells us a story of how effectual Ramsey has been in helping Arsenal win games. Also, his intangible skill set makes the difference. If you go back to 2016, his value was endorsed by whoever picks the Euros team of the tournament. All players who made that team are, therefore, top tier (except Joe Allen, who just had a good tournament).”

    Ian Wright’s Arsenal career win percentage? 42%. Since a player’s calibre is effectively measured by win or loss percentage, Wright was trash because Arsenal didn’t win over half of the games he featured in.

    Really don’t get the love for Ramsey. He’s had a great season once.

  18. Dissenter

    I hope Emery has a quiet word with Torriera
    He exaggerated the contact with Deeney yesterday in attempt to get him sent off. He doesn’t want to earn a reputation for diving so quickly.
    Looking at the replays now, Deeney hardly even touched him.

  19. Up 4 grabs now

    Bob,
    Yeah would like Ramsay gone, if your holding the club to ransom, for huge money you don’t deserve and after ten years still not playing for the team he can go.

    I like Welbz good squad player, works hard for the team and can do a job for us.

    Eddie seems like he has potential but one injury and he’s playing if wellbeck leaves, apart from those league cup games last year it’s not like he’s ready to come in. Would rather see him loaned out to get some games under his belt. If he is the future.

  20. N5

    I didn’t grabs no. I’ve only been to West Ham this year. I gave my season ticket to the supporters club. I’ll probably take it back next year but we’ll see.

    I’m happy mate with the progress. There is a lot of rough to sort out but 7 wins on the trot, 2 clean sheets on the bounce. Confidence growing etc.

    The football is still very ugly at times, but I think it’s important to get the wins and worry about beautiful football when we can afford too.

    How about you mate…you happy?

  21. Up 4 grabs now

    Yeah, I’m actually enjoying watching us again.
    The football can be a bit functional rather than pretty but first and foremost its about winning.
    We don’t have the best manager, or the best players or the most money to spend, but emery is working with what he has.

    I think we’re about where we should be, joint fourth moving in the right direction and emery making the changes to move us out of the mess Wenger left us in.

  22. Bamford10

    I will say this again: the one thing one can say Emery has changed is the level of intensity and energy with which our players are playing, the desire with which they are playing. This is why we are getting results. Other than that, it is still hard to see much that can be called “improvement”. However, for the moment, more energy, more intensity, more desire may be enough.

  23. Up 4 grabs now

    Will it be easy N5 to get your season ticket back?

    I know guns of hackney was joking about emery but it still amazes me there are people still covering for Wenger and knocking emery on here.

    Seven games in, we’re two points better off than this time last year,after 7 games.

    We’ve looked better away, and still think we should have buried Chelsea, so i dont know what some people want?

  24. Bamford10

    Our best starting XI at the moment, IMO:

    _________Leno
    Lich__Must__Hold__Monr
    ____Torrei____Ramsey
    _________Mkhi
    Welb_____Laca_____Auba

  25. Up 4 grabs now

    Bamford, we’re winning mate, maybe not the prettiest of football, but we’re winning and not playing well.
    That’s a huge improvement straight away.

    The first rule of any sport is to win, anything after that its a bonus, under Wenger we were struggling away from home that’s definitely an improvement.

  26. Bamford10

    Or switch to 4-4-2 and look as follows:

    _________Leno
    Lich__Must__Hold__Monr
    ________Torreira
    ____Xhaka____Ramsey
    _________Mkhi
    _____Laca_____Auba

    Ozil as a super-sub. He doesn’t seem to wake up until the 70th minute, anyways.

  27. Dissenter

    Unai na
    You glib-fully write a lot of rubbish
    “Leon isn’t ready to assume gk responsibilities just yet.”

    Leno played over 300 senior games for Bayer Leverkusen including 25 CL games and 12 Europa league games.
    Kepa (Chelsea) and Allison (Liverpool) stats combined don’t come close to half of his record.
    How can he not be ready for goal keeping responsibilities?

    We can add this to your barrel of doozies like “Wilshere is better than
    Pogba”

  28. Bamford10

    Grabs

    That’s why I said that what we’re seeing might be enough for now. However, it won’t be enough to get to where Chelsea, City and Liverpool are.

  29. Bamford10

    Dissenter

    Just reminding you that Un na is an admitted wind-up merchant. He is here largely to get a rise out of people, to “ruin” people’s days, as he has put it.

  30. Up 4 grabs now

    Bamford, the only thing that will get us close to Chelsea city or the bindippers will be money, or exceptional recruiting from Sven and the gang unfortunately.

    And neither of those are down to emery.

    But we’ve definitely improved on where we were 6 months ago under Wenger.

  31. Northbanker

    Pretty much agree this is progress even if it isn’t exciting in the way the 1st half of 2002/03 excites me (but then nothing has for 1/2 season of pure football)

    Very pleased with promise being shown by Holding and Iwobi as both lost confidence previously after promising beginnings

    Maybe Emery is better than people giving credit for although not sure why he is so doggedly hanging on to underperforming ‘stars’ such as Ozil and Ramsey

    I’d bench both

  32. Bamford10

    Grabs

    Yes, new and better players will help. I agree. But Emery can also get more out of the group of players he has. He probably can’t raise us to the level those other three teams are at, but I do believe he can get us playing better than we are playing at the moment.

  33. Up 4 grabs now

    Would agree with you Bamford on the formation changes.
    I still think 352 is the way to go. Auba and laca up top. Ozil in just behind with guendouzi and torriea sat deep.
    Monreal and bellerin as your wing backs, so they can bomb forwards with the stability of three center backs.
    Holding, litchsteiner and our bfg
    (big formidable Greek)
    Ozil has freedom to get the best out of him as well.
    The wing backs if caught out are covered by the extra center halves, it’s win win throughout the whole team.

  34. Alex Cutter

    Hey Un — where’s your boyfriend Guns of Hackney been lately?

    Did Pedro realize that his career in social marketing could be negatively impacted by hosting a blog that allowed its alt-right white trash members to post death threats?

    Or did GOH finally snap, and go out and kill some immigrant family of gay Muslims?

  35. Bamford10

    OK, so if you want to get to the level of a City, Chelsea or Liverpool and you can replace three players in the XI I’ve stipulated above, whom would you replace and with whom?

    And would Xhaka or Ozil be in your new, revised starting XI?

  36. Ivan

    For me the diference is this rigid system.

    Some players find it difficult at times to work seamessly in it but at the same time it is something to cling too when going gets tough.

    This season we punish teams that miss against us instead of getting punished. Mainly raising the level after HT.

    Probably it is easier for manager to give instructions at HT how to use better this system against opposition at hand than just cheer up players and ask them to be creative and do smh out of nothing.

    Btw anyone noticed we dont use gung ho aproach when chasing goals any more, only upping tempo retaining the system we play?

  37. Up 4 grabs now

    Bamford, I think emery can get more from the squad and given time he will.

    Seven league games in isn’t exactly long.

    Some players do look improved, holding, bellerin and ozil looked better yesterday.
    Wellbeck looks lively. But as I said to someone earlier that’s only one game.

    Auba has had a slow start to the season, but I do think he would relish playing with
    lacazette in and around the box but with the freedom to drift out to the left.

    Xhaka for me still looks poor, as does Ramsay as does mustafi. That’s the three players that concern me.

  38. Ivan

    Up 4 those three are rocks that are pulling as back at the moment.

    Xhaka situation improved a bit with Toreira pairing and we can get by with it for a moment, but other two are really pressing concern.

  39. Up 4 grabs now

    Ivan, mustafi really was a bad desperate buy. Even when koz comes back, a new top draw centreback is required.
    The Ramsay situation is a joke should have been sold or signed up 18 months ago.
    Ozil and Miki should play in the hole not him, and seeing him shake his head yesterday when substituted made me laugh. He deserved to be hooked.
    Xhaka is shocking another terrible buy. Maybe in Spain or seria a he might look the part but he can’t cut it in the premier league.

    Guendouzi every time instead of him.
    Watch torriea chasing around yesterday because xhaka was out of position so much. He did the same thing to guendouzi.

  40. N5

    Grabs it’s not a problem because my dad runs the supporters club and each time anyone hands theirs over it’s agreed it’s a season long deal unless otherwise stated.

    I’m almost sure I’ll tske it back but we’ll see!!

  41. Bamford10

    Grabs

    I agree that Ramsey didn’t do much yesterday — though I don’t think I’d say he was “poor” — but I think his head shaking when he came off was more because he is a competitor and wanted to keep playing. He was probably also thinking he had done more and shown more energy than Ozil at that point, so why not hook Ozil instead? I’m not saying one needs to agree with him, but I think that’s why he was shaking his head.

  42. Michael24

    Up 4 grabs now

    The fact that some of the players are starting to show signs of improvement, is a major plus.

    Emery has also got them to look fitter and hungrier.

    All in all, life looks much rosier.

  43. Up 4 grabs now

    Bamford, I don’t think either ozil or
    Ramsay were great yesterday, I was surprised to see ozil chase back and win the ball back twice in the first half though.

    Ramsay is to far forward and isn’t helping the midfield, and with xhaka out of position I thought torriea looked exactly like guendouzi does when playing alongside xhaka. Pulled all over the field trying to do three players jobs.

    Watford played 442 yesterday with only two in midfield yet we were losing the midfield battle quite a bit because there was a disrupted unbalanced midfield.

  44. Up 4 grabs now

    Michael hopefully it continues.
    Iwobi has had two good games now,
    bellerin looked better, it will take time but with any luck players are being pushed out of the comfort zone and being made to earn there wages.

  45. Paulinho

    Jamie – It’s actually pretty common knowledge our collective level dropped when Wright joined. He scored goals but our league form dropped because we became a one-dimensional long ball team, so not really a surprise our win percentage with him wasn’t great.

    So his personal performance arguably came at a cost of the team as a collective and the results in the league showed that. If Ramsey’s inclusion came at the cost of team results then he wouldn’t have had a considerably better win % with him than without him.

  46. Bamford10

    Grabs

    I agree that Ramsey was playing too far forward; the argument I was making to Marko is that I think he is playing that way per Emery’s instructions. Just as our fullbacks are playing super high, per Emery’s instructions.

    As for our midfield, you’re right that we should be dominating there, esp. if we’re playing three CMs there (theoretically).

    Three things about that, though: one, I think Emery is telling the CAM to play closer to the forward than the CMs, so it’s more a two-man midfield; two, even if you play Ozil there rather than Ramsey, I don’t know that that is going to strengthen us much in central midfield; three, I personally think Xhaka’s lack of mobility is one of the reasons we’re not as strong in central midfield as we could be.

  47. Up 4 grabs now

    Yeah I agree about xhaka no pace, to many safe side ways passes to pad his stats as well doesn’t help.

    Ozil in the hole rather than Ramsay in my opinion is better, you know what you get with ozil, I know yesterday he did come back and put a few challenges in but that’s not the norm.
    But I do think he can contribute more than Ramsay at the moment.
    Ramsay just doesn’t do enough for me.

    With that switch to a 352 we don’t even have to worry about the fullbacks/wing backs bombing forward as we have the three centrebacks.

    Just need to get emery to switch to it now!

  48. un na naai

    I will say this again: the one thing one can say Emery has changed is the level of intensity and energy with which our players are playing, the desire with which they are playing. This is why we are getting results. Other than that, it is still hard to see much that can be called “improvement”. However, for the moment, more energy, more intensity, more desire may be enough.

    Bamford

    You’ve done it again. Do you just wait for me to post and then regurgitate my thoughts?

    Have some originality, you’re like the Amy Schumer of the comments section.

  49. un na naai

    , I personally think Xhaka’s lack of mobility is one of the reasons we’re not as strong in central midfield as we could be.

    Shouldn’t matter as much if we are playing a possession based game agaisnt 80% inferior opponents

  50. Cesc Appeal

    Apparently Ramsey wants to go to Liverpool, not sure where he fits in there to be honest. But if they are interested in taking him in January I would bite their hand off.

  51. Bamford10

    Un na

    I made this point Wednesday night and I have no recollection of you making the same point. Of course I skip most of your posts, so maybe I missed you saying something about this. The difference, though, is that I’m saying this is the only way in which we’ve improved, whereas I’m pretty sure you’re one of these guys who thinks we’re seeing improvement on several fronts.

  52. Paulinho

    Liverpool perfect for him.

    Flat three in the middle so can play central or right central. Always thought they were an obvious move for him.

    Milner coming to the end, and Henderson and Wijnaldum are not going to deter him. Klopp has been excellent at eeking at quite a lot out of a pretty mediocre bunch there. Only with Keita have Liverpool started to really upgrade that area, so plenty scope there for more changes.

    Klopp will be a brilliant for him.

  53. Pierre

    I am still waiting for someone to explain the benefit of playing our no.10 so far forward…

    I can think of many negatives but besides closing down the keeper ,no positives.
    Maybe someone can enlighten me .

  54. Marko

    Shouldn’t matter as much if we are playing a possession based game agaisnt 80% inferior opponents

    Not really a possession side are we I mean for years we’ve given up large possession to the opposition not just decent opposition take Watford yesterday for example. We’re just not that dominant on the ball. Probably doesn’t help that we have such a poor group of CM’s these last few years. And no I’m not just blaming Xhaka I said group.

  55. un na naai

    Cunter

    I’d be extremely careful while making our homophobic and racist anti-white remarks.
    It may surprise you to know that I’ve never met anyone from this blog much less engaged in a homosexual relationship with another poster but thanks for your concern you mong.

    At least you can sleep safely, sound in the knowledge that you’ve got a proper geezer running the states/world now.

  56. un na naai

    Marko

    But that’s what he’s working towards right? Hence the playing from the back, the high line and keeping midfield and defence close to the attack.
    All hallmarks of a possession based game. Xakha has been a lot stronger with a proper dmf Beside him recently though. Would you agree?

  57. Paulinho

    “I am still waiting for someone to explain the benefit of playing our no.10 so far forward…”

    If we win the ball he’s already high up the pitch ready to inflict damage on the opposition.

    Pressing high up the pitch. Emery talks a lot about not letting the opposition work and he feels the number ten has nuisance value in that regard; hindering their attempts to build from the back. We’ve seen late in games that his tactic can reap rewards as the opposition are arguably worn down by extreme amount of numbers in their final third.

    Success has mixed so far, and I’m not fan of getting out-numbered centrally, but Emery’s seemingly thinks the rewards justify the risk.

  58. Marko

    Apparently Ramsey wants to go to Liverpool, not sure where he fits in there to be honest. But if they are interested in taking him in January I would bite their hand off.

    Yeah don’t get it Keita and Wijnaldum as offensive type CM’s that still offer work rate on the defensive side absolutely shit all over Ramsey at the moment. Can’t see him benefit any of the top 6 sides in anyway except for the home grown quota thing

  59. TR7

    I don’t think we have really improved in any sense. Of course with a new manager there was always going to be a few changes in our set up but we haven’t had one commanding performance so far even against mediocre teams.

    I am not a fan of Ramsey anyway but he is being played in a weird position. I don’t know what Emery really wants from him.

    Not a fan of Auba either but Emery needs to tweak things to get him more involved.
    Midfield still looks disjointed and direction less.

    Some players have marginally improved but overall team performance leaves a lot to be desired.

  60. Pierre

    Paulinho
    Can’t the front three do the closing down and then if they win the ball the no.10 can join them ,arriving late in the box…

    This also allows for the problem that if we don’t win the ball high up the no.10 can drop into the midfield area …..it’s a strange tactic whichever way you look at it

  61. Marko

    But that’s what he’s working towards right? Hence the playing from the back, the high line and keeping midfield and defence close to the attack.
    All hallmarks of a possession based game. Xakha has been a lot stronger with a proper dmf Beside him recently though. Would you agree?

    Torreira signed and links to Benega suggests that that’s where he wants us heading but until Xhaka and Ramsey are out it won’t happen. Ramsey isn’t that great technically speaking and vacates his position and Xhaka doesn’t do well under pressure in midfield. We want to be better in possession we need better CM’s

  62. Pierre

    I’m amazed at the number of players we get in the box when we attack sometimes, can be as many as 6 ,including both full backs …..

    Will be in for a very high scoring season at both ends the way things are going…

    It’s a good job the teams we have played so far have been wasteful in front of goal

  63. raptora

    I think Ramsey’s reaction showed some signs of desperation. He wanted to have a good game and show how important he is for the team but he didn’t do it.
    To be honest it looked like he was that close to bursting in tears. I think that his intention the whole time was to extend his contract. Maybe he was ill-adviced by his agent to push on and demand the highest wage possible thinking that his performance on the pitch would put not leave a choice to the club but agree on favorable for Ramsey and his agent terms.
    Nobody knows if there was a unwritten deal agreed with the agent and Gazidis and if his leave has changed things at all. But Ramsey’s start of the season has been way below par in his own standards so club’s position (or that of the Gazidis’ replacements) has changed regarding the Welshman. Probably Emery has had a say in it also. Problem now for Ramsey is that as far as we know, the deal is off and it’s off because the club backed off from a position where the renewal and the wage demands were very much agreed.

    Three things have changed since the summer where if the player didn’t want to renew and wanted a new team he would have been on the market and if the club’s intention was never to renew he would have been on the market as well:

    1. Gazidis left the club;
    2. Ramsey simply said hasn’t been good enough;
    3. Emery has spent much, much more time with the player and is now in a position to have a complete opinion on if he wants the player or not.

    Now if it’s only one of the factors, two or all three of them I can’t say. But Ramsey’s gestures looked like he is in a very bad place at the moment. It looked like he is not mentally stable and is going through a rough patch on and off the field. He looked like someone who is worried and his mind is troubled.

    My take on it is that his intention was always to renew. If he was ill-adviced or if the intention of a very high salary was his idea I can’t say either. But now that the club has supposedly made their choice and decided not to renew his deal, he is in a place where his future is absolutely uncertain. His original plan, in my eyes, that he gets to renew but for the highest wage he can squeeze out the club has failed, and is now up in the air his very future in the club as a whole. Would the club agree on a lower wage deal or if the problem is that they just don’t want/need him in the club anymore is unknown.

    Ramsey can only do one thing – play better. But he hasn’t been able to do it so far so he might find himself in the Europa league team sooner than later. Not only because of the level he has shown but putting the whole situation in perspective. Fans are sharping their tools on him, club doesn’t look like they rate him enough, Emery is slowly but surely pushing him out of the first 11. I think that he is in a bit of a personal crisis at the moment and it’s surely influencing his showings since the beginning of the season. Mind you that we are talking for our longest serving player, fans player of the season, possibly our player with the biggest influence off the pitch, the scorer of 2 FAC winning goals, a guy who shaped up as a leader in recent time and one branded by teammates as a “legend” and a “symbol of the Arsenal” and as a bonus he is British.

    Facts are that he looked that close to tearing up. He looked like a troubled, broken man. And we are still in September. He was desperate to end a bad personal week in a good way with a good display. Surely things didn’t shape up the way he wanted to. And there is still a long, long way until January where things can become clearer. Thing is that if frustration and desperation sneak in his game like I think there have been enough signs of it being the case, there is only one way this whole thing can end and it won’t be a good one for Ramsey.

  64. Bamford10

    We are no longer a possession-focused side nor would the changes above make us a possession-focused side. Pressing, winning the ball higher up the field and making possession difficult for the opposition doesn’t necessarily make us a “possession” side. Not if we look to attack quickly.

  65. Marko

    I think that his intention the whole time was to extend his contract. Maybe he was ill-adviced

    Can we put this to bed finally this whole captain fantastic and his undying love for Arsenal stuff is q load of bollox. He’s always said that he would like to play abroad he’s flirted with the idea of moving on for years but whether because of the injuries or because no team ever really deemed him that good to actually bid for him he’s stayed. Put it this way if someone actually tried to sign him he’d be more than happy to leave here.

  66. Pierre

    Raptora
    “I think Ramsey’s reaction showed some signs of desperation. He wanted to have a good game and show how important he is for the team but he didn’t do it.”

    you mean ,he wanted to have a good game and show how important he is for himself …but he let himself down.

  67. Bamford10

    Raptora

    Fair enough, but will Ozil give us much more in the first 70 minutes of a match if played where Ramsey was? I don’t think so. Mkhitaryan would, but not Ozil. Not IMO.

  68. raptora

    Marko,
    Ornstein: “A new + improved 4yr contract was recently agreed between Arsenal & Aaron Ramsey.”

    How would he agree on a contract if his intention was to leave?

  69. TR7

    More than Ramsey, Liverpool need someone who can orchestrate games. I think they already have enough guys who can run a lot and press high up the pitch but the game against Chelsea showed they need someone with poise and guile in midfield if they want to win the league.

  70. Paulinho

    Also simply comes down to personalities. Think Emery is way more comfortable man-managing someone like Banega than an introverted Welshman. Can’t see Emery and Ramsey meshing at all well together on a personal level.

  71. Marko

    Not in the least bit of a Ramsey fan right now but I must say Pierre your agenda driven drivel is so transparent and embarrassing. The difference between Ramsey this season and the tail end of last season is about 5 yards but the shite you come up with you’d swear he was halfway up the opposing keepers arse. Oh and also let’s be honest with ourselves here he’s only really playing the number 10 position because Ozil hasn’t impressed there in the longest time.

  72. Cesc Appeal

    Ramsey always strikes me as a little bit arrogant as well, as if he has a very high opinion of himself. Might be wrong on that, but his playing style suggests as much too.

    That’s part of our problem we have three players in the starting 11 in Ramsey, Ozil and Xhaka who apparently have to be left to do what they want to be any good but that requires the rest of the team to be functioning at a high level.

  73. Bamford10

    I think Ramsey asked for too much money, and I think he did so in part because of Ozil’s contract and in part because he has a too-high opinion of himself.

    If you look at Emery’s comments re Ramsey that I quoted yesterday — ‘a footballer’s career is short; he must do what is right for his family’ — it’s clear that Ramsey is looking for a big pay day.

    The club balked. That is all.

  74. Marko

    Ornstein: “A new + improved 4yr contract was recently agreed between Arsenal & Aaron Ramsey.”How would he agree on a contract if his intention was to leave?

    Check the date Rap was it before or after the transfer window closed? Also I meant over the years. It’s pretty easy to stay somewhere when no one else wants you

  75. Champagne Charlie

    “I agree that Ramsey didn’t do much yesterday — though I don’t think I’d say he was “poor“ “

    Interesting given you were vocal as can be about calling Lacazette poor. Ramsey wasn’t, but Lacazette was? Credible as ever.

    @raptora
    Apparently the club rescinded the offer made to Ramsey, not him. Seems Gazidis has left and Emery/Raul have decided Ramsey isn’t a player worth such an investment. First sign of daylight in the structure if that’s the case.

  76. raptora

    Bamford,

    I just watched yesterday’s game again.

    Ozil played better than Ramsey. Ramsey played like Ozil normally does but Ozil played better than his usual and I’m not talking about the last 15 mins of the game but throughout the whole game.

    To be fair no one of our team played great but no one played bad either. It was a tough game, a game out of the normal in the sense that there was a lot of end to end stuff so it looked like even teams trying to inflict the harder hit first. We got lucky but game was extremely even. There was a pen against Lacazette and there was certainly a foul on Torreira by Deeney and it was anything else but our player going to the ground for no reason. Lacazette was maybe our best player but then again he missed couple of great chances and he didn’t fall for the pen. Say RvP falls down and we go in front. Cannot say that Mustafi had a terrible game as people thought he had bar two unneeded shoves that resulted in opponents free kicks in dangerous areas. But I cannot say we were good in defence either because Watford had a lot of chances and clear ones. I didn’t see Iwobi influencing the game either. It was a standard cross that lead to the OG and our second goal was too soon for them to be able to recover from the first one. Good effort though, we certainly gave them a fight, nothing was for free and it was a proper football game but not one that any of the teams really controlled. It was chaotic but it happens if teams are playing evenly. Same thing happened against Chelsea a month ago.

  77. Marko

    The club balked. That is all.

    No that’s not all his form is also diabolical. Put it this way if he was playing amazing football it’d be pretty hard not to pay him what he wants but he’s not and therefore it’s easy to say no

  78. Champagne Charlie

    “Think Emery is way more comfortable man-managing someone like Banega than an introverted Welshman. Can’t see Emery and Ramsey meshing at all well together on a personal level.“

    You come out with some crackers mate when Ramsey is involved, do you know both Banega and Ramsey personally? Haha that’s pure speculation on your part.

  79. Bamford10

    Charlie

    Given that Lacazette missed a clear one-on-one and passed the ball to no one and out of bounds at one point (though under little to no pressure), yes, I think it’s fair to say he was “poor”. Remind me of comparable errors on Ramsey’s part?

  80. Marko

    Seems Gazidis has left and Emery/Raul have decided Ramsey isn’t a player worth such an investment. First sign of daylight in the structure if that’s the case.

    Thank goodness Ivan’s gone then

  81. TR7

    ‘You come out with some crackers mate when Ramsey is involved, do you know both Banega and Ramsey personally? Haha that’s pure speculation on your part.’

    Paulinho is a very good poster but got to say in his overzealous defense of Ramsey he ends up saying some weird stuff. We all have that one player though.

  82. Bamford10

    Listen, I’m not all that bothered by our losing Ramsey, but he’s a much better footballer than a Xhaka. If you could keep one or the other for the same amount of money — say £170 per week — there is no question every manager in the world would keep Ramsey before he kept Xhaka. It’s not even close.

  83. Bamford10

    Marko

    He had 11 goals and 9 assists last season. If the club balked over the summer, they balked because of the amount he was asking for, not because of his form.

    Even if they balked in late August or more recently, I still think it’s more likely they balked because of the amount he was asking for, not because of his form. It’s clear Emery likes him.

  84. Marko

    Paulinho is a very good poster but got to say in his overzealous defense of Ramsey he ends up saying some weird stuff. We all have that one player though.

    That is true. Though I’d like to point out that I rarely rim Monreal in public…

  85. Paulinho

    TR7 – Emery is Spanish with shit English, he also has a known close relationship with Banega. Nothing controversial about him speculating he would prefer working with him than Ramsey, who is a bit of closed book and seems to internalise a lot.

    I’m sure if he had his way he would have the squad full of spanish-speakers, but he’s in new league and culture and he needs to seen to try and embrace it and not just do what he’s comfortable with.

  86. raptora

    Marko,
    No one can say if there were no offers for Ramsey, certainly not us. Reports had Pool, Chelsea and just this week Manure making an offer in the summer. True or not we don’t know.

    Fact is that he had agreed to commit the rest of his career to the Arsenal. I’m not saying that it was because of him loving our club or because he just loved the money that were close to agreeing. But he was already settled with the idea that he was probably going to finish his career in our team. Now that’s absolutely in the air because the club has decided another thing, he looked panicked. That’s all.

  87. Wenker-wanger

    I’m just so relieved were dispensed with the biggest handbrake to progression that was Wenger. Emery is different class. He is totally on the ball and driven by an ultimate style of football that he feels will reap rewards. We have not the personnel to match city or Liverpool, but he still is focused on getting the max out of what he has in a proven manner of tactics.
    Pedro is spot on about our current deficiencies and the assessment of the Ramsey situation.
    Like a lot of fans, I’m really impressed with lacazette…he creates a lot of disturbance in the opposition defense. He works hard and is an honest team player.
    He can’t finish though. And I’ve said that before….. he can make the space and allow others to strike the target.
    We are beginning to see the natural evolution of this team with the players finding their role. It’s interesting to watch iwobi play like a man possessed……the Wenger malaise us behind him and the others.

  88. TR7

    Paulinho

    Mate, I really think Ramsey contract saga is about money. The club is not willing to meet his wages demand. If Emery was that perturbed about language and communication, he wouldn’t have applied for managerial job of an English club.

  89. Marko

    He had 11 goals and 9 assists last season. If the club balked over the summer, they balked because of the amount he was asking for, not because of his form. I still think it’s more likely they balked because of the amount he was asking for, not because of his form. It’s clear Emery likes him.

    Total bollox first off who gives a fuck about his stats from last season when he was a greedy cunt vacating midfield for personal glory at the expense of the team. Secondly and this is very very important if he was that good of a CM then why the fuck isn’t he being played as a CM? Also if his form isn’t an issue and Emery likes him so much then why does he continue to be substituted. It’s utter nonsense when it comes to Aaron Ramsey at this stage if he was ultimately wanted we’d pay him and if he was ultimately good enough he wouldn’t keep being hauled off. He’s shite we deserve better move on. You know if it makes you feel any better you can eventually fanboy over his replacement. Banega Arne Maier Morgan Sanson I’m sure they have nice wankable posters too

  90. un na naai

    Marko

    If he brings Banega in and sells Xakha and it improves us then you won’t hear a complaint from me.

    I’ve got no personal attachment to any of these players now so I couldn’t give a shit who goes and who stays as long as we are winning. I personally do not like Ramsey though so I’m glad the prick is going.

    There’s no attachment to the club at the moment. Nobody to identify with. That’s why youth players are the life blood of a club. I’d like to see smith-Rowe and AMN come good.
    And I do like welbz and holding and Mkhitaryan I guess though. And I find Lacazette’s efforts quite endearing. But once we let Wilshere Giroud Theo and the oz leave I’m just not to fussed about our current squad. There’s nobody in there I have any fond memories of. Just shit times.

  91. Paulinho

    TR7 – Yeah I agree, but just ruminating. If Emery has had some output like some have speculated then he may have raised concerns about Ramsey’s ability to take on his instructions and give them a green-light to withdraw an offer.

    Emery’s grasp of the language was and is still an issue. His french was certainly a big deal in France when he managed PSG, according to the press over there.

  92. Marko

    Final point given his age and his form on top of the demands to me it’s a no brainer and I’m delighted with what the club has seemingly decided and hope they follow through. Considering that someone like Dahoud or Sanson or Kondogbia or Doucoure or Trigueros or if instead you wanted to target a winger as a replacement Bailey or Pavon would be asking for significantly less wages while likely contributing more it makes sense to move on

  93. Jamie

    If Alexis had asked for 250k a week a year ago, we would’ve given it to him before he had time to finish his sentence.

    Ramsey asks for 250k a week and we quite rightly end the negotiations and wish him the best at his next club.

    Ox and Ramsey shoring up the Liverpool midfield next season will be hilarious, if that’s the chat. Watch VVD’s form go down the toilet if that happens. Ox out of position running down blind alleys and Ramsey waving his hand about in the opposition box begging to be played in when they’re trying to hold on for a narrow victory.

    Comedy.

  94. Bamford10

    Raptora

    Actually, we can. If he didn’t like him, he wouldn’t be starting him, esp. not in an important position for which he has other good options, and esp. not when the player is likely leaving the club.

    We also have the universally positive things Emery has said about him.

  95. Rambo Ramsey

    Marko, you are such a total clown sometimes. “Personal glory at the expense of the team”. Goals and assists count for the team, not just an individual.

    What is with this sneering attitude towards these stats

  96. Dream10

    Think Emery rates Ramsey and will continue start him weekly. The problem is the club don’t want to match his wage demands. He’s a family man and wants to secure his future. Head to China for a couple of years and return to the PL at 30.

    We need another top quality CM who can play as a #6/#8. Someone that can partner anyone stylistically
    whether it’s Xhaka/Torreira/Guendouzi/AMN.
    All the others have flaws, but so does Torreira. He’s not this Vieira/Pirlo combo that many of us fans have been projecting on him.

  97. Wenker-wanger

    Listening to many Emery interviews,think he will speak very good English and pronounce better in a year. His vocabulary is quite good….some sentences could be better expressed,but he is improving.
    In any event, football communication is generally quite basic,any subtleties in description will be learned in time.

  98. Marko

    N5 I’m not overly keen on Banega if I’m honest but hypothetically speaking if we got him on the cheap and saved some money on a potential bid for someone like Ndombele then I’m all for it. We absolutely must be in the reckoning for him his age his potential to make a difference here would be huge

  99. Paulinho

    “If Alexis had asked for 250k a week a year ago, we would’ve given it to him before he had time to finish his sentence”

    Thank fuck he didn’t then. Good riddance then, good riddance now.

  100. TR7

    Paulinho

    Even though I don’t quite rate Ramsey, I have always thought of Ramsey as a box to box midfielder. I am not quite sure about his ability to excel in the role Emery has assigned him. So I guess probably both Ramsey and Emery have figured out it is not going to work. Of course there is the issue about wages too but from footballing point of view, his playing position and role could be another area of disagreement.

  101. N5

    Marko, I know it’s hearsay but I read the Banega already turned down the chance to move to us anyway? Not sure what to take from that. However he doesn’t really do anything for me anyway. I’m sure he’d be fine for Emery. He obviously is keen on the guy and/or knows him. So if he says he’s worth a shot then maybe he is.

  102. Marko

    What is with this sneering attitude towards these stats

    Rambo it’s more sneering towards the idea that those stats mattered in the slightest bit given how bad our season turned out. I wouldn’t care in the slightest bit about those stats if he also put in work in midfield and helped out on the defensive side last season but he didn’t. People keep pointing to his stats and some nonsense award you’d swear we didn’t have a shit midfield or have an awful season

  103. Bamford10

    Raptora

    Right, and if he stops starting him, you’ll have a better argument. At the moment, though, all of the evidence says Emery likes Ramsey.

  104. un na naai

    Marko, you are such a total clown sometimes. “Personal glory at the expense of the team”. Goals and assists count for the team, not just an individual.

    Rambo

    Yes. But he more often than not takes a poor first touch and loses the shot or scuffs it while leaving massive gaps. It’s nit his job to be in the six yard box for every cross or cut back. It’s not like he’s offering up Gerrard or Lampard numbers and even if he were, those players dictated games on top of offering goals

  105. Paulinho

    TR7 – He definitely can’t play there to the same standard as number eight. Receiving the ball with your back to goal is a different ball game to having the game in front of you and running onto it, like he was doing the last two seasons. His late runs are no longer ‘late’,so he’s neutered to an extent.

    Makes me laugh when people think simply putting a player at number ten is some fail-safe panacea. It’s an incredibly hard role to play. Constantly playing with back to goal and constantly needing to be on the half-turn. United fans used to keep saying to play Mata as a number ten, and he bombed, because he went wide anyway due to the congestion and inability to actually progress the play when met with it. Ozil always goes wide as well. Only the real top ones like Bergkamp, Riquelme, Cantona could actually stay true to the role as it is portrayed.

  106. un na naai

    Paulinho

    I’d give my ballsack for prime Alexis. I’d also give my ballsack for Ramsey to leave. Thankfully for me and my sack he’s already off.

  107. un na naai

    Paulinho

    You’re fucking nuts man. Ramsey over Sanchez??? Sanchez offering 25 goals upwards a season and 10 assists
    Winning games on his own and our only player bar Theo who regularly scored against the best.

    The man scored goals out of nothing
    He was the best player in the country while he was with us
    What games do you watch cos it can’t be arsenal

  108. Paulinho

    He’s still prime Alexis. Just needs to be completely indulged to do play to his best.

    Once he has to perform a certain role, and not stray outside it, he gets shown up.

    If he came back now and was told him to what he wants – as Wenger did- , he would probably score a hatful and give the illusion he is ‘carrying us’, but it would come at cost of team cohesion and long-term success.

  109. TR7

    Paulinho

    Yes agreed. I have been saying it all along. The role Ramsey is being deployed for makes no sense to me. To be honest I am not sure about Emery’s overall tactics, he leaves our midfield vacant and makes us top heavy. You have Ozil, Ramsey, Laca, Auba and Mikhi/Iwobi all concentrated in one area of the pitch leaving a lot of spaces behind.

  110. Pierre

    Marko your comment to me reads

    ” I must say Pierre your agenda driven drivel is so transparent and embarrassing. The difference between Ramsey this season and the tail end of last season is about 5 yards but the shite you come up with you’d swear he was halfway up the opposing keepers arse. ”

    Then half hour later in reply to Bamford your comment reads

    “Total bollox first off who gives a fuck about Ramsey ‘s stats from last season when he was a greedy cunt vacating midfield for personal glory at the expense of the team. ”

    Prick

  111. Pierre

    Dream10
    “Wonder how much we can keep this style of play and get results.”

    it’s a master plan …..didn’t you know .

    We give the opposition loads of chances …they miss them ….then we have a blinding 10/15 spell and kill the game off .

  112. Dissenter

    “What is with this sneering attitude towards these (Ramsey) stats”?

    Because they are aggrandizing a player who often seeks stats at the expense of the club.
    Case in point; Arsenal 5 vs Everton 1, Feb 3 2018. Aaron Ramsey scored a hat trick which was great.
    Go watch that game again.
    He scored those goals playing as center forward, it was so bad that he was ahead of Aubameyang for the entire second half. He even delayed his substitution for several mins just to get ahead of the CF to score the third goal.
    Marko is just expressing the commonly held viewpoint that Ramsey is a selfish pr*ck.