Frankenstein squad winning games, not fans

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One thing cannot be in doubt, Arsenal are clicking into a rhythm under Emery. There’s a poor first half performance to wrestle with, some halftime tinkering before we ultimately triumph like might heroes. Five wins on the bounce reads impressive placed against the achievements of Wenger over the past two years, but I’m not sure I’m quite ready to pop the cork on the gluten-free chilled red I’ve been saving.

This week saw a different approach at the base of midfield, the manager opted for LT and Xhaka. It wasn’t quite the magical combination we’d hoped for, largely because the Swiss really isn’t cutting it. He consistently makes poor decisions that lead to heart in mouth moments. Sure, I can see that he offers a lot moving forward due to the sheer volume of passes he makes, but put in the cold light of day, his lack of pace, zero spacial awareness and his penchant for the absurd make him a walking mistake. The real concern with Xhaka outside those challenges, is against top quality competition, he’s going to get mauled. He can’t deal with pressure. He’s undoubtedly the most obvious weak spot in the Unai Emery Frankeneleven

Our back 4 continued to struggle, lucky for us, Everton barely grazed the skin with their toothless attack. They had great ease finding the gaps between our centre and fullbacks for a lot of the first half. Theo Walcott got in behind twice, Calvert-Lewin made a hash of a great chance and Richarlison caused problems. I hope that the issue is learning a new system. The hope post Wenger was that proper coaching could make more of the sum of the parts. There’s no unity quite yet. Hopefully Sokratis is only out for a week with that dead leg he picked up. Notable we didn’t play out of the back with quite the same intensity as we were a few weeks ago.

Going forward is also a bit of a mess. I’d say a lot of that can be attributed to the position mash-up that’s going on. That factored in with new ideas is offering us up a real blend meh. Mesut Ozil looks utterly miserable on the right, he looks like he’s handed in his notice. It’s clearly an ego bruising issue, because he’s not that bad for Germany. He’s our best player and he’s been relegated to a position he feels is below him. That means he doesn’t track, he drifts in and out of the game, but most importantly, he can’t affect the game in a way that makes up for his defficiencies. He just looks like bad fit.

Aaron Ramsey playing in that number 10 role is jokes o’clock, he doesn’t have the technical finesse to find the gaps like Mesut, and yes, I know he landed two assists. But be honest with yourself, his home should be at the base of midfield next to Torreira. He’s a high impact player, he makes amazing late runs, he can dribble, he can bring all sorts of value to the side. Just not as a #10. If we do need him to press from the front, then surely Mikhi would be a better option?

I’m not sure I could tell you what Emery did at halftime. Ozil moved into the middle, then he moved to the left, then Ramsey took up position on the right, then moved to the middle. It was totally baffling what was going on, but whatever the plan was, it worked and it had us playing a much more fluid brand of attacking football. Our first, of course came from Aaron Ramsey through the middle. He found Lacazette who opened up his body and curled the ball past Pickford high and right. It was a masterful goal. A real moment of quality. A top banter celebration as well.

Our second came when Ramsey mis-controlled an Ozil pass in the box, letting an offside Auba poach a simple finish to kill the game and Everton’s morale.

Three more points, so what could there possibly be to moan about?

Topline, I’m not going to bitch. Emery just racked up another win, we climbed to 6th, surged 2 points clear of United and kept our first clean sheet. He’s doing a good job delivering wins.

However, it’s telling when your player of the season is none other than Petr Cech. His shotstopping has been nothing short of excellent, he’s vocal on the pitch and his play with his feet is getting more confident (still a few ‘OH GOD’ moments, but none that have cost us).

It’s hard to describe what’s going wrong when it comes to style because it’s clear we have the talent. Emery wants the players to play to his tune. It looks like there’s a certain way he believes the ball should be moved forward and it’s a bit methodical, slow and predictable. Our transitions from midfield to attack are painful to watch at times, there’s nothing fluid about and because they’re so slow, it’s easy for the opposition to regather and snuff us out. Is that the system that’s slow, or the players are just not picking up plan quick enough?

The other glaring issue is putting square pegs in round holes. He’s playing a lot of our biggest names in positions that don’t suit them. Auba is not a winger. Ozil doesn’t want to be a right midfielder for us. Ramsey looks uncomfortable as a #10. Those are all superstar names. To make his system tick, I think he’s going to have to bench someone.

This is mostly not Emery’s fault. He inherited a Frankenstein monster of a squad. We’re getting away with it. It’ll either work until it’s massively exposed, or it’ll get better and this whole moan will look silly.

We’re in the substance phase of the project, I hope we start to see where the style part is heading soon.

Brentford next.

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Marko

Even going so far as to coin “nearly an error”, but refutes bias.

It was actually error that lead to an actual goal and an error that didn’t as in the opposition nearly scored from an error by Xhaka point is that an error is an error

HighburyLegend

Concerning Sokratis, I put my money for betting on a damaged ligament.
Season over. Same old shit.

Goongoonergone

@ UT Arse “Goongoonergone, So let me get this straight, I am the one lacking intelligence yet you think after 6 games, this team should have shown improvements in defence with largely the same playing personnel AND trying to impose a new playing style which focuses on building from the back? It will take a lot more time and mistakes before this team can show a marked improvement. 6 games are far too small a sample to base your conclusion on. In the same way that pep was ridiculed for employing a similar style and not having the required personnel,… Read more »

Guns of SF

I noticed at least 2x yesterday, that Granit almost cost us. He cannot wriggle out of tight situations, and when pressed will lose the ball everytime, or spray a hectic wayward pass to get out of danger. I think he is actually our best free kick taker. He has a strong shot with decent accuracy. Does that mean keeping him in the team? NO Was hoping to see Mikki and Guen make an appearance. If Everton scored a goal that would mean game on… I loved how Auba busted a gut running back on Defense. I hated how Ozil looked… Read more »

Joe

Bob. I was joking

Ishola70

Xjaka has no authority or presence in central midfield,

This is what the team lacks.

As for errors you see players plenty of times acknowledge errors on the field even if it doesn’t result in the worst outcome being an opposition goal. A raising of the hand to fellow team mates is done. You hardly if ever see Xjaka do this on the pitch.

China

I dunno why people pick favorites Ramsey xhaka and ozil have all been total disappointments for the last 2 seasons None of these guys are title competing level players. They all have different strengths and weaknesses but they all share one thing in common, more damaging weaknesses than redeeming qualities We’re stuck with them all for now though. I’d play xhaka with torreira simply because our balance seems a bit more reasonable. And I’d play ozil at 10 because at least he can play a through ball. Ramsey can be a bench player for god knows what position. The sooner… Read more »

Marko

Charlie please answer me with regards to whether or not you would replace Xhaka in the future or not. It’s a way of gauging the aspirations you have for Arsenal football club. You want him replaced you want us to do better and I’m in total agreement with you on that. If not then you want us to continue as is because that’s what Granite Xhaka at Arsenal means. Players like him and Ramsey and Ozil and Bellerin means we don’t improve we don’t challenge ever

Guns of SF

Im loving little T… lucas.
I swear, someone needs to wrap that kid in cotton wool after each game. He busts his ass every game.
I hope he last the entire season… but the way he gives up his body – others should take a page from that!

Dissenter

Xhaka is who Xhaka is, can’t argue with it.
It’s just that Ramsey has been just as bad since the season started…and he’s yet to sign an extension.
It’s no wonder why many of us are pissed off at the Ramsey.love-in.

Joe

I would try torriera with G. Poor kid has been Paired with Xhaka. Like to see how he does with torriera.

Joe

Dissenter

Hopefully we’ve learned and sell Ramsey in Jan

Marko

FYI I’m not making a case for Ramsey in CM either I think he shouldn’t be getting a new contract and I think Elneny and Xhaka should be sold. So a couple more CM’s to be signed with Torreira and Guendouzi as a squad player.

UTarse

Goongooner, I don’t think I even intimate that 6 games is 6 days so calm yourself. I am also not saying he’s a guaranteed success, but I am prepared to wait and give him an adequate period to give it his best shot. You seem to have ignored the mitigating factors, namely, the players are not that good and the style he’s trying to introduce is alien to them. You appear upset that this shit manager (according to your tone) has got 12 points on the board ? If you have read any of my comments today you’ll find I… Read more »

Guns of SF

Xhaka just signed an extension so Im doubting he will move.
Ramsey is the one we need to sell…. 30m in Jan.
Use that plus get funds somehow for a speedy goal scoring winger.

Joe

Marko

There is no case for Ramsey. Over rated. And has been for years.

Xhaka is not close the value for the 35m we paid.

Upgrades on both would be easy to find

Sancho Monzorla

Guendouzi and Torreira haven’t had too much time together on the pitch, but so far when they have been together the football has been a little clunky.

But no doubt those two should be considered the future, it should improve with time but they need to play more together. Unfortunately I don’t think Arsenal have the luxury of allowing them to go through the growing pains together at the risk of dropping points in the league, hopefully they can play some cup games and find synergy there.

PessimisticPat

Goongoonergone

last year after 7 games

Won 3, Drawn 2, Lost 2, For 11, Against 10

This year after 7 games

Won 5, Lost 2, For 16, Against 11

Id say we are improving on last year as a whole. But if 2 months is long enough to make a solid defence then maybe you should go into coaching.

Guns of SF

How much can we get from selling Mo El Neny?
Plus Ramsey

40m?

UTarse

Guns SF,
Not even remotely possible. Elneny is 5-10m and Ramsey 20m max I would say with 6 months left come January….

Al

I think it has been a positive start with the new management team as we have won the games you would have expected us to when the fixture list came out.

I’ve noticed that we are whipping in crosses a lot more which is very positive as teams will have to start closing us down in those areas so hopefully that will open up space.

I’m excited for what’s to come especially now Gazidis has gone and we have real football men in place.

Goongoonergone

UT arse
I have been a Gooner since 1971.
Been a Wenger Out since 2008. Saw the writing on the wall then.
Called him Wengersaurus.
Anyway, each to his own.
Cheers.

Marc

It really doesn’t matter if you like Ramsey and think he’s quality or think he’s fucking useless. He’s gone come the summer and if we can raise anything over £10 odd million we’ll sell in Jan. So either way it’s pretty irrelevant. A more useful conversation is who do we look to sign to replace.

Guns of SF

Maybe Jose can throw us a bone, and overbid bid for Ozil or Rambo.

I can see Ozil going to Italy for some reason… Germany- no chance- PSG- nope
La Liga- Barca and Marid wont touch him.

Perhaps Juve or Milan with Ivan can take him from us. Please God

G Star

I’d say go 442 like in the 07/08 season (or maybe how Athletic Madrid do it)

Cech

Bellerin Sokratis Mavropanos Monreal

Mhikitaryan Torriera Ramsey Iwobi

Lacazette Aubameyeng

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Or swap Ramsey for Xhaka

Opinions ??????????????????????????

Marko

A more useful conversation is who do we look to sign to replace.

I personally would like to see Dahoud or Sanson targeted or maybe Trigueros. To replace Xhaka I’d honestly look no further than Ndombele. We must be looking at him if he ends up going to Spurs I’d be gutted

Bob N16

Guns of SF,

Love the idea that Mourinho would take Ozil off our hands but not sure he’ll be there come January, let alone be allowed to splurge on Ozil after Sanchez’s less than spectacular transfer. Sanchez has continued his poor form of the last half season at Arsenal with United and Ozil could follow the same path.
Here’s hoping! Who can we do swapsies with Ozil for?

Bob N16

Sorry Joe,

Writing out my lines, ‘I must not take Joe seriously.’ x 100

arsnil

Can any of you explain to me what has gone wrong with Mavropanos. At best he seems to be rated as fourth choice centre back at the momnet. Yet of the little I saw of him last year I thought he was to the manner born and a player that you could build a defence around. Yet so far – nothing? I swear if we still had Silvestre he would be played in front of him?
Did he have a stinker somewhere that I missed? If not what is going on. Anybody have the inside line on that one?

Michael24

MUSCLE MEMORY. The ability to reproduce a particular movement without conscious thought, acquired as a result of frequent repetition of that movement. Cech, Bellerin, Mustafi, Monreal, Ozil, Ramsey, Iwobi, have all been entrenched into a specific MM system. Therefore, to adjust to a new set of instructions and coaching methods, implemented by any new coach, will take time and a great deal of work. The impatience of some,or should I say the ignorance of some, to this simple fact, just beggars belief. However, when your only concept and experience of coaching(change) is based on playing a few meaningless games on… Read more »

Cesc Appeal

Marc I would like to see us going for someone like Brozovic, Sanson or for more money someone like Zielinski perhaps. But with someone like Brozovic you can then build a very solid middle 3 of actual midfield players who will do the necessary CM work and help us control a game in possession and press out of it. We don’t need the central three to be some creative engine, that would be where a wide playmaker came in for me and then a winger on the other side putting up goals and assists with the midfield 3 chipping in.… Read more »

Champagne Charlie

Marko There isn’t a player in the squad I wouldn’t replace for a ‘better Arsenal’, the point is moot. I’m not, and have never been, someone to tout any player over the good of the club. That isn’t and wasn’t the point being raised though, it was what Wmery needs to do NOW to make us tick and I laid out my 2 cents. Ask me if I think Xhaka is the biggest issue in the squad and I’ll flat out say no, you can make bigger gains elsewhere. Hence why I’m less inclined to go down the path you’re… Read more »

Guns of SF

Bob

Im not sure… Ozil is not very marketable. it would be hard for a swap

Goongoonergone

@Pessimistic Pat:” Goongoonergone last year after 7 games Won 3, Drawn 2, Lost 2, For 11, Against 10 This year after 7 games Won 5, Lost 2, For 16, Against 11 Id say we are improving on last year as a whole. But if 2 months is long enough to make a solid defence then maybe you should go into coaching.” No sir, I don’t need to go into coaching. Nowhere in my post do I allude to a solid defence. I merely make the point that there has been absolutely no improvement in our defence under Emery and that… Read more »

Marko

That isn’t and wasn’t the point being raised though

I mean it was kind of an open topic we weren’t just debating the here and now it was more just granite in general.

Ask me if I think Xhaka is the biggest issue in the squad and I’ll flat out say no, you can make bigger gains elsewhere

Midfield is a key area in any team and it’s a real problem area for us and he plays there so it and he is a pretty big issue.

UTarse

Goongooner,
Well mate that makes you similar to me, wenger out since 2008 too and a fan since 1978. We all would have liked another manager if we are honest, pep, allegri… but we ended up with emery and I agree it’s not convincing but just pray it comes good. It’s been a long 10 years of decay for this club.

un na naai

At least marko has someone else marked for the role xakha has. More than I can say for ishola

On the Ramsey debate- no, I wouldn’t put Ramsey anywhere near a midfield two. Never. Not even in Chelsea 05-06

Receding Hairline

Xhaka may one day cut out the lapses in concentration that leads to him being caught on the ball or making risky passes, but for now i cannot see any signs of that. Having said that, in the second half yesterday everything good we did went through Xhaka, he sprayed the ball around nicely and was very positive with his passing, i do not see Emery dropping him anytime soon as he is the link between what we call a defense and attack. I will buy two brand new defenders and a full back before i start thinking of replacing… Read more »

un na naai

Joe

Klopp the flop- Er….what exactly has he won at Liverpool? Zilch. He’s not fit to lace wengers boots yet joe. He’s reached a champions league final, which Wenger did whilst maintaining the best defensive run in champions league history and Wenger had won his first title by this time in his arsenal career, spending infinitely less money in the process.

I wouldn’t go singing klopp’s name from the rooftops just yet kiddo

Receding Hairline

A Mustafi Sokratis combination is not good enough to play for any team in the top half of any league, watching Mustafi especially annoys me

un na naai

Receding hairline One of the few measured men frequenting these pages. Always enjoy your offerings and glad that you not only see what certain players offer but you’re not so crippled with biased that you can’t bring yourself to publicly admit it I also noticed xakha was quite good defensively yesterday and got in position to proved cover and an interception/block or two When he gives the call early it gives us another dimension and that’s starting to become a theme this season. It always seems to be the second half that he comes to life to. Maybe that’s why… Read more »

Marko

i do not see Emery dropping him anytime soon as he is the link between what we call a defense and attack. Torreira can also do that job and more. In fact whatever it is that Xhaka can do it’s easily replaceable by other better players. I will buy two brand new defenders and a full back before i start thinking of replacing Xhaka. It’s not an either or situation and as far as I’m concerned Xhaka is as problematic in the starting 11 as say a Mustafi or Bellerin. I do believe though that next summer these problem players… Read more »

UTarse

One thing I will give GOH, he’s right when he says £200-250m fixes our playing staff problems. And we all know that a certain slime ball won’t make that sort of investment in the club…. so we are really do need to pray that Emery is as good as he has touted himself to be….

un na naai

A Mustafi Sokratis combination is not good enough to play for any team in the top half of any league, watching Mustafi especially annoys me

Agree
How’d you feel about holding?
I’m a fan.

Michael24

un na naai

I think most would agree, Klopp is not a “flop”.

un na naai

I will buy two brand new defenders and a full back before i start thinking of replacing Xhaka.

Marko

Doesn’t look like the club is willing to spend though so we may have to curtail those wild ambitions of full team transplants and let some good old fashioned coaching do it’s work and add the odd player or two.

Would love Harry McGuire alongside holding

un na naai

Michael

Well if Wenger is a senile old fraud having a record that wipes the floor with klopp who I repeat has won nothing with Liverpool then what does that make Wenger? By your own standards Wenger is not a flop

Pierre

Mavropanos…groin injury i read somewhere.

Michael24

One thing is very clear, Cech is showing far more bravery and commitment under Emery.

A major plus point.

He also looks motivated.

Thanks Unai.

Champagne charlie

Marko No it very much was a cut and dried discussion that become skewed when you typically reverted to your ‘replacement theory’ approach that you have for all our woes. As I stated at the time you offer up no solutions to the here and now, you picked at my XI and Banfords midfield and that was it. Not a difficult thing to do. I’m of similar opinion to receding, Xhaka isn’t a focal point of my issues with the squad. You can comment on midfield being important and ill return with what does Elneny offer Arsenal? I’ll broaden further… Read more »

Receding Hairline

Agree
How’d you feel about holding?
I’m a fan.

I am not a fan. I prefer the Greek kid. Holding is 23 and still doesn’t look like he is going to be anything but average

Receding Hairline

It’s not an either or situation and as far as I’m concerned Xhaka is as problematic in the starting 11 as say a Mustafi or Bellerin

In your opinion

That does not make it true. It’s an opinion you are perfectly entitled to though

Champagne charlie

Michael24

“Flop” no, but he has some genuine question marks over his ability to land trophies in England. He’s now got no excuse at his disposal after the investment of late.

You can’t do all that and not return trophies, if he wins nothing this season it’s a failure imo. Let me just point out that whilst the style of Liverpool has changed, it’s yielded two 4th place finishes and no silverware with considerable spending. The latest of which removes all ‘reasons’ for coming up empty handed now.

Michael24

un na naai

Paranoia.

I didn’t mention Wenger. You mentioned his name three times in four lines.

All I was highlighting was Klopp is not a flop.

steve

Neither Holding or Mavropanos will make it at Arsenal.

Receding Hairline

All I was highlighting was Klopp is not a flop.

Depends on where you are looking at it from

There are different levels of failure

He has finished fourth twice and lost two finals despite many believing he is a top class manager.

Emery won seven out of a possible ten trophies in France but he was branded a failure and a flop.

Marko

Doesn’t look like the club is willing to spend though so we may have to curtail those wild ambitions of full team transplants and let some good old fashioned coaching do it’s work and add the odd player or two.

How do you know? We’ve had 90 million summers and our last three transfer windows have spent 52 and 55 million on strikers and 70 million last summer

UTarse

Marko,
Just our defence needs 100m…. minimum.

arsnil

Steve
“Neither Holding or Mavropanos will make it at Arsenal.”
Why not with Mavropanos? Pierre says that he has a groin problem. But of what I saw of him last year I thought he was the dog’s bollox. Power, pace and presence. His reading of the game was excellent and he didn’t give a shit for reputations in the little I saw of him…… Then he disappeared? Did I miss something?

Marko

No it very much was a cut and dried discussion that become skewed when you typically reverted to your ‘replacement theory’ approach that you have for all our woes. Far far better than your wait and see and hope approach especially considering that it’s over two years and we’re still waiting for Xhaka to improve us. That’s midfield, and two better uses of time and money than Xhaka – who actually offers a positive return. Another example of you continually getting it wrong with regards to Xhaka. What positive return does he bring? Honestly what does he bring to the… Read more »

DaleDaGooner

Yesterday’s game proves without a doubt we have serious issues with our midfielder corpe. Ozil, Ramsey, Xhaka and Mhkitaryan need to go!

Ozil was appalling, Ramsey can’t play 10 he can’t even play 8! He makes the team very unbalanced. Xhaka is a walking mistake, Mhkitaryan is not good enough, nothing special with him.

We lack a through number 10 and 8. Guendozi is probably a better 8 than Ramsey. Torreira is a good 4, we need that number 10 now.

Michael24

CC

I agree.

This season will define Klopp. If he can keep the core of his team fit and functioning, I feel they can match, if not edge, MC.

What do you think?

The head to heads will be pivotal. Even now, the two point cushion could prove critical.

Marko

That does not make it true. It’s an opinion you are perfectly entitled to though

Receding one can’t be concerned with the error prone Mustafi and Bellerin and not be concerned with Xhaka. That makes no sense

Michael24

Ozil, as it stands, is the biggest liability we have.

Mkhitaryan ahead of him for me.

Sorry all you Mesut lovers.

Joe

Ask a Liverpool fan if they think klopp is a flop.

They’ve been excited since the day he came

They genuinely feel h

Michael24

Holding and Mavropanos can make it at Arsenal.

Joe

Ask a Liverpool fan if they think klopp is a flop.

They’ve been excited since the day he came

They genuinely feel he will win them something. Gives them hope.

That alone makes him not a flop. The fans are loving it

The last dozen years of wenger’s reign he was a flop because he was the exact opposite.

No hope. No excitement. Nothing

Michael24

If you can’t run, can’t tackle, can’t track back, can’t press, can’t show positivity/ self motivation, you are, in a team environment, a massive liability.

Pierre

Xhaka appears to be a slow starter in games…

as the match progresses he becomes stronger and more of an influence.

He appears to be more prone to errors in the first 15 minutes of the match ..maybe the manager should have a word with him about not receiving the ball in dangerous areas until he has the pace of the game or better still ,let’s not fanny around with it at the back at all early in the game.

un na naai

Joe I don’t need to ask any Liverpool fan because their bar has been set exceedingly low. So they probably would consider a champions league place success these days but I’m comparing him to the bar set by you muppets If Wenger is a flop after 3 tittles 49 games unbeaten 7 fa cups 5 charity shields And 3 european cup finals and 19 consecutive years of champions league football on a shoestring budget producing the undisputed best football this country has seen then what is klopp? As I said, Wenger had already won his first title by now Then… Read more »

Michael24

Joe

Careful mate, you’re stating the bleeding obvious.

Be prepared for a counter attack.

Michael24

The classic “on a shoestring budget” line.

Lol!!!

un na naai

For the record, I like klopp and I enjoy watching his sides
I’m not knocking him but he can’t be considered a success unless he delivers
All he’s done is tread water at the level of Wenger in his least productive era at Arsenal yet you’re all coping over him

Smacks of double standards
Two tiered opinions on le grove as per

Michael24

un na naai

You are yet another believer of the lack of finances excuse.

Embarrassing!

un na naai

Michael

Rather than retort with a smug defective comment how about addressing the facts that I just gave you. Klopp hasn’t achieved a modicum of what Wenger achieved. Can you dispute that? If so please do

un na naai

Michael

He won the league unbeaten after spending only £4m on silva

Facts are facts

Champagne charlie

Michael24 City are supreme, but they SHOULD challenge them with everything they’ve spent and the relative harmony at the squad from a technical level. Whether they do remains to be seen, but I think Liverpool should be winning silverware this season tbh. If City won nothing this season it would be an awful season under Pep, same applies to Klopp this time around. Marko Oh look, another quip when someone says anything about your penchant for offering nothing but…….quips. I didn’t tout wait and see anything, I said Xhaka isn’t the primary concern and this season everyone essentially has a… Read more »

un na naai

Marko

He’s right
Xakha isn’t a priority. Especially with Torriera and guendouzi being recruited
We’ve got to be looking at centre half and wide areas/no 10

Dissenter

People keep saying sell Ramsey
It’s obvious that boat has sailed already. He’s going to leave on a free if he doesn’t think the offer on the table suits him.

DaleDaGooner

People keep saying sell Ramsey
It’s obvious that boat has sailed already. He’s going to leave on a free if he doesn’t think the offer on the table suits him.

Can be sold within the league in January….

Joe

No. As long as we are competitive and playing attractive football and winning most games thats fine.

Think he is genuinely a good guy and wants to win and is good for the club

It would be nice but as long as he gets us to finals or close. All about the journey! I mean two years ago we could never of competed with PSG

Quotes from my scouse cunt mate when I asked him if klopp doesn’t win anything this year do you see it as he is failed

Pierre

Michael I agree that this season ozil has been poor but don’t write him off yet..he hasn’t come to terms as to what is being asked of him but neither have Ramsey ,Mhkitaryan and aubamayang. Many said he was poor last season but as I have highlighted previously,earlier in the season(before his injuries/illness) he was up there with the best creativity wise. Get Ramsey out of the equation ,play Lacazette,aubamayang,ozil and Mhkitaryan with a solid base behind them and they will be buzzing …at the moment it is very flat except for brief spells in a game and we normally… Read more »

Joe

Un

Wenger couldn’t come close to the league when it became more than a 2 team league.

He got found out as soon as some other teams joined the fray.

Klopps been to two European finals in 4 years.

As I said. He excites the fan base and gives them hope.

Wenger hasn’t given us that in over a dozen years.

DaleDaGooner

Ramsey isn’t even playing himself into the contract he is asking. I’d let him go for something to another team in the league and draft in a scoring winger

Pierre

Joe
Are you saying that Liverpool fans are happy not to.win trophies as long as.they play attractive football and are in or around the top 4 and get to an occasional cup final.

Michael24

un na naai

Not disputing anything.

I will reiterate “Klopp is not a flop” and just so you understand –

1996- 2006 Wenger was excellent.

2006- 2018 Wenger was “a flop” and, significantly, in his latter years at the club, a total embarrassment.

Clear enough for you?

Michael24

Pierre

Ask the same question in 2028 and we’ll see what their answer would be.

Globalgunner

Idris Elba dissing Tottenham over their stadium delays at the World player awards. Proper Gunner.

Pierre

Joe.
No trophies
Attractive football
Top 4
Occasional final

Isn’t that exactly the scenario that created the wenger out brigade back in the day.

Joe

Pierre getting back to we should be happy with wenger bollocks

He’s been there 4 years. 2 European finals

Pierre do you remember what wenger did 99 to 2002? 3 seasons of nothing.

Redtruth

Wenger:
1996-2006: One Champions league Final is piss poor.

Pierre

Michael
The wenger out brigade started in 2008 and if I’m correct I would say we had a pretty decent side then playing some of the best football in Europe but early failing to win a trophy .

Quite similar to klopp wouldn’t you say.

un na naai

UnWenger couldn’t come close to the league when it became more than a 2 team league.

Even if that is true joe it’s still more than klopp could manage

Pierre

*sadly(early)

Joe

Pierre.

Hasn’t even come close to the 12 or more years of shit wenger served up

And guess what Pierre.

They have a great shot at title this season. Made the Cl final last year

Wenger last 7 CLs. Out at round of 16. Wow. We should give him a parade for that

You really are pathetic Pierre

He’s a fraud. He gone. Let it go

Redtruth

Some of the best football in Europe like 8-2 lol

Joe

Even if that is true joe it’s still more than klopp could manage

Doesn’t even make sense.

Pierre

Joe
“Pierre do you remember what wenger did 99 to 2002? 3 seasons of nothing.”

Do you remember what klopp has done 2015/18…..3 seasons of nothing.

Except we did the double in 1998 and 2002…

Joe

Best football in Europe. Hahaha

Such a myth

Joe

You’re right Pierre

Wenger should Be here still. He should have stayed until he died.

We were wrong Pierre. We should be grateful for wenger.

Bring wenger back!!!!!!