Well hello and welcome to what is, in fact, my Monday, because we all had a day off yesterday.
A lot of the chatter I was reading yesterday focused on Granit Xhaka, who is officially the new poster child of the collapsed Wenger apologist regime. Never has a group of people been so misguided in who they attach their loyalties to, but one thing is for sure, you have to hand it to them, their arguments always incredibly sound on paper.
The big fear a lot of people have at the moment centres around an isolated statistic call xG build-up. The definition of xG Buildup is comes from the very interesting Statsbomb site.
You’ll note, however, that for a lot of players, the values are still dominated by xG from shots and xA from assists. You get a little extra credit for your buildup play, and some unexpected players are still able to shine through. But the fun starts when exclude shots and assists from the possession chains, so we can concentrate just on buildup play. It’s okay if you ultimately make the assist or shot yourself, but you also have to be involved in the earlier parts of the move to get credit. I originally called this pre-xGC (pre as in pre-assist, you see), but the world knows it now as xGBuildup.
Now, the reason people have their panties in a twist is because Granit ranks pretty well for this statistic (play here).
The masters of this statistic and people that outrank Granit are midfielders like Busquets, Weigl, Alcantara, and Kroos. Iwobi, Ramsey and Mesut also score very well here, but it goes without saying, Granit, being a mainstay at the base of our possession-based approach is going to score well for this particular statistic.
The issue I have with internet stats folk (the amateurs) is the absolute lack of context they give when chucking out isolated numbers they’ve seen in a radar graph. Granit Xhaka is never critiqued for being bad at passing. He’s being taken to task by fans who actually watch the game with their eyes and spot the glaring weaknesses in what he offers the team holistically. Namely, he’s easily rattled under pressure, he makes at least one goal gifting mistake each game, and he lacks mobility in a system that requires an intense pressing philosophy.
We’ve been defending his errors for 2 and a bit seasons. During that time, he’s sat at the base of our midfield as we’ve been humiliated 10-2 in the Champions League. He’s been part of relegating ourselves to Europa League. He’s reinforced the idea that we’re soft through the middle and easy to bully in midfield. Is it all his fault? No. But you can’t doubt he’s a chunk of the reason we are where we are.
Unai Emery has an extremely unbalanced squad at Arsenal. He doesn’t have the basic component pieces you need to win a Premier League title, and the most frustrating challenge is the problematic parts are his most expensive. The manager is trying to ring in the new era playing his best players, not the right ones.
Granit Xhaka might be a formidable distributor of the ball from deep, but he’s a doughnut when it comes to defending, he makes unforced errors on the regular and his lack of pace and power make him a weak point to exploit.
Aaron Ramsey is a force to be reckoned with on the pitch and ideally, you’d have him leading the press, but in a more advanced position, he lacks creativity and discipline.
Mesut Ozil is the most precious of flowers, he needs to be correctly watered, manicured and fed to be able to exist in the modern system. Even then, he doesn’t like tough games away from him and he hides in games against the top 6. He doesn’t like playing out on the right and when he does it stifles our fullback, but when he’s playing in his favoured #10 role he can’t cope with defensive duties.
The manager also needs to make a decision on a keeper who rattles the defence. Seeing the Telegraph write things like ‘Ignore your manager’ is why the British sports press is dying. What needs to happen is the manager needs to make the tough decision, and it’s clear that Cech is not going to adapt to the passing game at 36 years old.
Emery needs to make decisive decisions that are going to look odd from the outside, one of them is going to have to be putting Xhaka on the bench and opting for a more mobile centre midfield. His challenge is that MG and LT would give us better cover, but they both lack experience and possibly the passing range Xhaka offers us. But ultimately, they’ll give us power, pace and the aggression we’ve lacked with Xhaka there. We could also operate with Aaron Ramsey playing a more central role next to LT, but Ramsey would need to do things like not bomb forward and play up front in the last ten minutes of a game you’re hanging onto by a thread.
My fear is the manager is caught between a rock and a hard place. He’s hanging on the past with his starting line-ups, then ruffling feathers with early changes. He needs to go hard at what is right. As G Nev said the other week, don’t go half arsed and back your vision.
Let’s see where that goes.
See you in the comments where I’ll be giving you all xG ratings for agreeing with me.
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Simply pointing out the tedium ahead this season would’ve been no worse under the much lamented Arteta.
You don’t know that. You still haven’t explained how Arteta would bring excitement though. If all you got is unknown then you might as well make an argument the same way for Buvac.
CC
“there was no championing of Arteta at all. Simply pointing out the tedium ahead this season would’ve been no worse under the much lamented Arteta.”
Its 4 games in the season, where we play two of the best teams in the league and arguably should have beaten CFC if it wasn’t for poor finishing and you have already come to the conclusion that this season is going to be tedious. How so?
vicvic
What we have in Xhaka is a supposed big player who is actually shit, but that does not mean that players who are strangers to top level football will do better.
Torreira for me did more for arsenal in 20mins than xhaka did in 4 games. Gwuen, torreira partnership should be given a chance cause atm, xhaka is a liability.
Marko
“Did I understand that properly Charles“
That entire comment is almost too great an example of how totally incapable you are of understanding what I said.
Thank you for that 😀
Excitement; as in how le grove saw Nagelsamann at Hoffe as exciting.
I can’t wait for Arteta to take over a club just to see how his followers will react when he fails big time. players that have won more than him and are more intelligent on the pitch have failed in management bit hey, he coached aguero and he’s peps right hand man.
I think we all want emery to succeed, and as many have pointed out he hasn’t walked into a winning team, he’s walked into an institutionalized club. Stuck in a time warp from 10-15 years ago, it will take time for the club to adapt, for the players to get used to extra training and new methods. Maybe emery hasn’t had much influence in what players have come in? Maybe he’s trying to ease in torriera and Leno? We don’t know for sure. The fans want change, unfortunately some fans want that change overnight, and with the mess we’ve been… Read more »
11 out of 25 of this squad played with arteta. I agree he would have had a better understanding of the club, but 11 out of 25 is not 95-99% of players.
Charles if you come out with ludicrous talking points you’re going to get challenged to back it up and if you can’t or you try to divert then you’re just a bit of a troll
GoH
Arteta
Vieria
Henry
Jardim
Tuchel
combine all their trophy haul together and pit them against Emery. Who has more ? genuine question ? Or do you want to add poch and klopp to that list ? But I’m sure the amount of trophies won is not important ? Right ?
GunnerDNA No I’ve not come to that conclusion, it’s how I see it going based on how the club acted over the summer. That’s subject to change of course, January could have a heavy influence. But as I stated, I’d be amazed if we finished top 4 where previously I considered that a very plausible goal for this season under new management. We didn’t recruit well, we brought a new man in late, this season is one of familiarity for all the new technical staff, and that will amount to a crazy uphill battle for anything resembling a “successful” season.… Read more »
Marko what part of you not understand what’s been said is again….not being understood by you?
You don’t have any salient points against what I’ve said, you haven’t understood what I’ve said…
Give it a rest.
11 out of 25 of this squad played with arteta. I agree he would have had a better understanding of the club, but 11 out of 25 is not 95-99% of players.
Are you sure? Charles said 95% and he’s never wrong
Before shouting “emery out!!” I will shout this : “Mustafi, Bellerin, Ozil, Cech, Xhaka OUT”.
And without better defenders, thers not much to expect from this season.
*there’s
The thing that no one seems to be mentioning here is that part of the rumoured reason Emery impressed the interview panel was details about every current player and plans about how to improve them and get more out of them. In the first 4 games there is no evidence that any of the players have been improved. We’re not seeing them do anything different that is helping the team. If anything we look more disjointed than last season. It suggests something is amiss when players brought on as subs clearly look better than the players they replaced, yet they… Read more »
You don’t have any salient points against what I’ve said, you haven’t understood what I’ve said…
Then explain it you dickhead. Explain how you’re not making a case for Arteta who would guarantee excitement over the dull as dishwater era under Emery? At least explain how Arteta would bring certain excitement explain that one. By explain don’t just say unknown or quantity
That’s not what was said between myself and Vic, there was no championing of Arteta at all. Simply pointing out the tedium ahead this season would’ve been no worse under the much lamented Arteta. Charlie what exactly is so bad?? 6 points out of 12? Same points as Man United who are on the 3rd year of their project, three behind Spurs …where is the crisis?? Yes the defense is pretty bad right now but so was City’s defense in Pep’s first year, So was Liverpool’s for Klopp not so long ago, before the injection of millions of pounds. So… Read more »
We didn’t recruit well, we brought a new man in late, this season is one of familiarity for all the new technical staff, and that will amount to a crazy uphill battle for anything resembling a “successful” season.
You do realize as well that Arteta would have had the same issues in fact any new manager would have because it’d be all new.
Pat
With respect, I didn’t actually crunch numbers to arrive at a percentage. It was a hyperbolic remark exaggerating the difference between himself and Emery in this particular facet.
44% just doesn’t roll off the tongue quite as well.
Marko
‘When we replace players like Xhaka, Bellerin, Ramsey, Özil, Cech and Mustafi from the starting 11 you’ll see a better Arsenal’.
I wouldn’t disagree, but that’s a very big job.
The way arsenal are run, we’re talking years.
The way modern football is, I’m not sure a methodical, long term rebuild – adding one or two players each year- is going to work.
In the first 4 games there is no evidence that any of the players have been improved. We’re not seeing them do anything different that is helping the team. If anything we look more disjointed than last season. This gets back to what I’ve always been saying that it’s not enough to just get in a new manager and hope tactics and all that will be enough because it’s not. There’s players here who are simply not good enough and there’s players here who have developed certain tendencies under the previous manager that will either take a while before they’re… Read more »
Receding I’m not blabbering on about the pints we’ve accumulated mate I’m talking from the pov concerning the intangible aspects of this new era. I literally said as much. I rate Emery, also stated, but what is the goal for this season? You tell me. I don’t see us finishing top 4, we don’t have the balance, we’ve yet to see any measure of improvement as far as this new system goes, we have the same issues reoccurring. So you’ll have to excuse me for stating how Arteta (who you could substitute for any radical appointment btw, it’s only him… Read more »
Same points as Man United who are on the 3rd year of their project, three behind Spurs …where is the crisis?? Yes the defense is pretty bad right now but so was City’s defense in Pep’s first year, So was Liverpool’s for Klopp not so long ago, before the injection of millions of pounds.
Receding making excellent points
Fair point charlie, bit picky of me. I am currently at work looking at spreadsheets mind. I agree with you that the underwhelming transfer window has stifled some fan enthusiasm. However I just hope the fans will give unai the time to get the team playing the way he wants. Finally 6 points out of 12 isnt a disaster as far as im concerned. We have played some bad football , but also missed loads of chances. But main point for me is that im excited we are trying something new. It might not work, but im happy to see… Read more »
2 weeks time ..away to Newcastle …Arsenal kick off…… the ball is played back to midfield and then back to sokratis…what happens next is anyone’s guess but I can guarantee there will be hundreds of thousands of Arsenal fans around the world screaming at the tv not to pass the ball back to cech…
If the same thing happens in the first minute of the Newcastle game as it did the Cardiff game then as GOH said “we’re all doomed”
I wouldn’t disagree, but that’s a very big job. The way arsenal are run, we’re talking years. The way modern football is, I’m not sure a methodical, long term rebuild – adding one or two players each year- is going to work. Alex you would agree though that you’d give him more than one transfer window to address the squad and give him more than 4 games before the knives come out. I personally think don’t be surprised if you see us making a couple signings in January which we’ll almost certainly need and don’t be surprised if next summer… Read more »
Ramsay situation should have been put to bed now as well, and maybe an announcement will be made over the international break.
If he doesn’t want to sign, drop him and see if there are any takers in January, he cost us five million to buy we had ten very up and down years from him and we can’t afford another player we can’t shift on because of high wages like ozil.
Wellbeck still hasn’t been tied down so will be interesting to see what happens with him, handy squad player at best.
I actually believe you’d have seen more radical moves by Arteta. Emery is on his final big job if this doesn’t work, he’s carried his personal baggage over from PSG if you ask me, and I don’t think he’s gone as hard at the squad as he should of. I’d have preferred to make a bold signing. Emery is fine, but as CC points out, we haven’t really seen that much change. If anything, our defence looks worse. The big worry is if Emery doesn’t work out, which I think is a high possibility, the crowd will demand a safe… Read more »
I don’t see us finishing top 4, we don’t have the balance, we’ve yet to see any measure of improvement as far as this new system goes, we have the same issues reoccurring. So you’ll have to excuse me for stating how Arteta (who you could substitute for any radical appointment btw, it’s only him because he was the other candidate) would’ve done any worse. Charlie i am just putting it out there but worse you ask , well try 0 points out of 12, or 3 points out of 12 , couple that with a negative goal difference and… Read more »
Pedro,
Our defence is the same as last season, barring Nick the Greek.
We conceded 60 plus last year anything below that will be a bonus.
We wasn’t going to keep clean sheets against city, maybe Chelsea but our record there is rubbish.
And we’ve won and outscored west ham and Cardiff.
It’s four games let’s see where we are in ten games? Or at the end of the season.
Who’s to say arteta would not be doing a better Job by now? He’s an unknown quantity. The fact the the city team were desperate to keep hold of hi speaks volumes.
I’m behind emery 100% andoerfectly willing to give him until next season to implement his own style and tactical strategies but you cannot argue that arteta would bomb or try to police their conversation when two other lads are just speculating
The fact the the city team were desperate to keep hold of hi speaks volumes.
Where did you witness this desperation??
People have no idea what arteta can do for arsenal. What is his style of play ? How well can he improve arsenal ? How well can he spot a youngsters talent ?
No, you ask them what arteta can bring and they go “he’ll be a surprise” or “he’ll be unpredictable “. I mean, these are not attributes of a manager. This is just fantasy talk. Like he could surprise a seasoned manager with anything. The only person he could surprise Is someone at a kids birthday Party who’s had one too many lemonade…
Goin hard at the squad is fine pedro, but where does that leave him if it doesnt work so well after 7-8 games say. you know modern day players are over pampered crybabies. At least this way he can say, hey look they were given a chance these former regulars, and then sack them off. And i think now is the only time he’ll be afforded the chance to do that whilst still “finding his feet” “bedding in to the league” “other generic lazy punditry terms”. I think this way may just work out the best for all of us,… Read more »
I actually believe you’d have seen more radical moves by Arteta.
Who will be funding this radical changes?? Our 70m pounds?? Would he have slashed Ozil’s salary??
Ancelotti would have been the safe option.
Emery hasn’t dealt with Arsene’s major problem: he can’t manage.
Sarri is doing great and I seem to remember he wasn’t right for Arsenal as he’s a homophobe, casual racist/facist and likes smoking.
I’ll back Sarri to eclipse Emerys finishing position this year.
Sometimes the left field option is the one you need to take.
Arteta would not have been a bold signing. Opposite to be honest. A boring keep it in the family signing Emery was a great posting. He will Come good How much better would have arteta done? Beat city? No Beat Chelsea? We should have beaten Chelsea with Emery 2 wins in should win matches arteta was a terrible signing for Arsenal as a player. And would have been a terrible signing for Arsenal as a manager. Emery has proven he can win. 3 Europas. And plenty of trophies with psg What has arteta proven? He can put out cones for… Read more »
Joe
Relax.
If anyone here thinks Arteta just puts out cones for pep doesn’t get leadership and coaching.
All great leaders have a second. Every single one.
Oga Receding Finally 6 points out of 12 isnt a disaster as far as im concerned.” It’s less about points tally and more about PERFORMANCES of the team which to be fair seems to be getting worse in every match played thus far,the performances have been dire and has left much to be desired Also not surprised the point that was been made re:Arteta flew past a select few. IF the goal this season is to muddle along then Arteta’s appointment couldn’t have been any worse to Emery, the upside here is it would have signaled and interesting venture,brought about… Read more »
If emery were the safe option would our full backs be bombing on without a care in the world? Would we have signed slow defenders and played a high line? The team strategy seems even more confusing than ever before
On the flip side, had we taken our chances against Chelsea we would be looking at 9 points and one of our direct rivals beaten already
Sarri is doing great and I seem to remember he wasn’t right for Arsenal as he’s a homophobe, casual racist/facist and likes smoking.
With a squad that won the league just two seasons ago..yea he is on fire. Don’t even give me that Sarri ball song, Chelsea are playing more or less the way they play unless they want their manager sacked
I’m finding myself agreeing more and more with Victorious.
The world’s gone topsy turvy
RH
Two seasons ago. They lost arguably the best GL in the world and have to accommodate the utterly deplorable Giroud. They also weathered the Hazard storm. You know for a fact if that was Arsenal, Hazard would have been sold.
They are doing pretty good. So don’t give me any of that won the title shit. So did Leicester.
Pedro,
“I actually believe you’d have seen more radical moves by Arteta.
Believe what you want.
I also believe that if my aunt had balls, she would have fathered Leo Messi.
There’s nothing stopping Arteta from leaving city to start off elsewhere like Vierra, Lampard and Gerrard have all done.
Radical moves?
Like combine Mislintat’s job with his own?
It’s ridiculous to judge Arsenal after 4 games.
Lers wait and see at the end of the season whether improvements have been made.
Joe, utter nonsense.
This idea that Arteta is Wengerised is so far off the mark. He’s been on a crash course with Pep G and he’s running some of his games for him.
The guy is apparently a killer. He’d have delivered something special.
Emery was a meh PSG hire and he’ll be a meh Arsenal signing.
As V said, if the plan this season was to muddle through, I’d have preferred to have taken a risk with a coach who had more potential and a better grasp of English/Premier League.
Seeing the game again, I don’t think much is wrong in Ramsey’s play.
I would pair him with Torriera and let Ozil have his favoured spot.
6 points out of 12 is grea considering we lost narrowly to Chelsea and lost to City [whop beta is thrice last season with a goal difference of -8]
It’s the performances and lack of improvements that’s the worry.
It’s Emery’s tendency to try to force a right size 10 shoe into a left-sided size 12 foot that’s giving cause for concern.
The point tally is as most expected. We struggled and labored too hard to beat the shite teams- that’s the worry.
Not one of the Arteta protagonists is yet to answer the simple question.
If he’s so ubber-talented, why is he still at City, playing assistant to Guardiola?
Why?
Why?
Why?
I guess his talent only exists for Arsenal, it seems.
You all underestimate the scale of change needed at this club. It will take more than one manager to undo the damage done already.
I mean we have two notable players running down their contracts in slow motion as we speak which is a heresy for a club that’s supposedly being run on self-sufficiency.
I wonder why no other team in Europe is taking advantage of this killer , this man of undoubted potential Why is it the Arsenal job or Pep’s backroom staff for Arteta?? He’s been on a crash course with Pep G and he’s running some of his games for him. LOL…I know you excel in banning people who you think have offended you and i am saying this with all due respect..the statement above makes no sense..why run games for another man and let him take the glory?? Why not go out on your own, apply for other jobs ,… Read more »
“Is there any manager in the world who would bench the likes of Mesut, Granit and co. for the no names like Matteo and Toreira? When you look at how much these cunts earn, you might just be forced to field them until they deliver.” The problem here is if Emery plays them too much, he’s going to endorse how shit they are, then he will by default inherit the problem. If he cuts them early, no matter how much they earn he can blame the past administration and then ‘work’ with them behind the scenes to understand where they… Read more »
Emery is being radical. He wants the defensive high line without top defenders. He wants high pressing from some slouches. He wants the ball played out from the back with a keeper who is allergic to it and defenders not that comfortable with it. Some may call it silly but it’s certainly not lacking radicalism. The only thing you can accuse of not being radical is in the team selections but as said before it is a bit unrealistic to think established players would be dropped straight off in multiple numbers without causing friction within the whole group of players.… Read more »
Watching a rerun of the AC Milan Roma game, higuain scored a great goal running from the halfway line, looked level and a good goal.
They have var this season, so they checked ten seconds later goal ruled out as he’s 2-3 inches offside.
Lino never flagged, ref was convinced until they checked, and the premier league didn’t want to try it…….
Pedro
No!
You have to present better arguments other than the above to say that MA would be a better hire than Emery. Its laughable that you’re basically willing to give a guy a chance who is doing a crash course than a proven manager who have the know how to win trophies. If MA is such a great prospect, why no other club even considered him to be a manager?
It seems that many supporters are like me we dont understand what Emery is saying, we need an interpreter. a lot of it is like gibberish and he doesnt clearly explain why Leno and Torrera are not starting.We were led to believe that he had tremendous knowledge of the team strength and weaknesses,but meanwhile we are worse off than last season.Thousands of our supporters have seen Czechs mistake on sunday yet he still defends him, the PR campaign is still going at full strength with flops like Belerin and Mustafi trotted out to praise Emery. Will he survive this season… Read more »
I actually believe you’d have seen more radical moves by Arteta. Define radical? He would have had as much as say in who we signed as Emery does. He’s been on a crash course with Pep G and he’s running some of his games for him.The guy is apparently a killer. He’d have delivered something special. This is absolutely ridiculous absolutely shocking really. Does the world know that Arteta is secretly running things ove there? Pep is a fraud. Surprising no one Pedro you had such a hard on for Mikel all summer it’s no surprise that you gave Emery… Read more »
How many jobs were available this summer?
Yet this killer guy who’s on a pep crash course was hired or linked to no jobs(other than ours).
Ha laughable.
Why wasn’t he up for the job that viera got? Or the one Henry was linked to?
Why wasn’t he hired by Everton ? Especially since he played there for so long? And has a connection? Gerrard at rangers instead of arteta?
Sorry but I don’t buy it.
The only thing here to see really with Emery is whether he eases off with the medication applied to the patient due to pressure regarding results or should we say lack of.
It is after all results based all said and done.
But so far he has been brave in his decisions regarding playing style and thinks he can apply this without great criticism for the first season and move on from that. Whether he gets away with it though is a different matter. He thinks he can obviously.
More radical moves?
No way arteta bench’s Ramsey it takes Ozil off.
Emery will get it sorted.
As said before we should have 7 or 9 points if not for better finishing
It’s 4 games in and people including Pedro are pinning for arteta because that was there agenda all summer.
Get over it. You were wrong.
red truth
It’s ridiculous to judge Arsenal after 4 games.
Lers wait and see at the end of the season whether improvements have been made.
OMG is red truth being the voice of reason now ? the worlds really gone tipsy curvy (or whatever guns Said)
Lol@ the scenes here
Joey batting for an Arsenal man while Pierre sneakily runs an anti agenda.
Who’d have thunk it?
Arteta obviously wants to continue his tutelage under pep before he takes the plunge. And rightly so.
So much for slating a manager for not being decisive after four games. Are decisive as fans? what is it we really want? Dewengerisation? Dekronkerized? Top contenders? Winning mentality? UCL POSITION? Or trophies? We no doubt want it all…but the concensus was focus on top four, for starters. so far, we are not too far off! As for the other goals, is one step at a time. Be calm, LT, BL, SL, will all have their time in the sun. At least we have players to look up to. imagine there were non. UE is trying to utilize hope, while… Read more »
“Charlie i am just putting it out there but worse you ask , well try 0 points out of 12, or 3 points out of 12 , couple that with a negative goal difference and yes we could actually be doing worse“ I get what you’re arguing, and obviously that’s “worse”. But I’m talking from the POV that anything outside top 4 is what it is. Be it 5th or 10th (which btw I think Steve Bould could get us top 6, it’s cemented there as of now with the gigantic nature of the clubs). So I’m saying would a… Read more »
Joey batting for an Arsenal man while Pierre sneakily runs an anti agenda.Who’d have thunk it?
Yeah. Beacuse Wenger has gone.
At least I’m consistent
ill back the current arsenal manager until he’s finished, even though he pushed JW out the Dracula like fucker
Arteta obviously wants to continue his tutelage under pep before he takes the plunge. And rightly so.
I hope you are not a defense lawyer because if that was all you could come back with as a defense then sorry to say its pathetic
isoha
He wants the defensive high line without top defenders.He wants high pressing from some slouches.He wants the ball played out from the back with a keeper who is allergic to it and defenders not that comfortable with it.Some may call it silly but it’s certainly not lacking radicalism.
yup let’s sit back and play with 2 defensive midfielders and then let’s get a fellaini and just pump long balls to his head.
How could there be more radical playing staff? The transfer kitty was a Europa League one and Arsenal as a consequence signed Europa League players albeit the younger signings have scope to improve. The kitty would have been the same under Arteta. And what would Arteta have done? A continuation of Wengerball? Or would he have brought over ideas from Man City? In reality all Emery is trying to do at this time at the beginning is to try to put things in place that are very evident at Man City. The big handicap Emery has is inferior players to… Read more »
Like I said before. Let’s get into the Cl anyway we can this season. Europa or PL
Let this season be a transition to Emery’s system and let him get a transfer or two in Jan and then a couple more in summer
I think this season will be good. Just need some time to get going
In reality all Emery is trying to do at this time at the beginning is to try to put things in place that are very evident at Man City. The big handicap Emery has is inferior players to Man City and Arteta would have had the same problem.
In a nutshell
gonsterousSeptember 4, 2018 15:56:08
“yup let’s sit back and play with 2 defensive midfielders and then let’s get a fellaini and just pump long balls to his head.
You may have missed the term taking the medicine.
That should say to you that what he is trying to do is not seen to be a total negative.
Yeah. Beacuse Wenger has gone.
At least I’m consistent
ill back the current arsenal manager until he’s finished, even though he pushed JW out the Dracula like fucker
Wenger was finished in 2006 yet you still back him
So I’m saying would a year of Arteta have been worse than Emery? Hard to say so based on the opening couple of months and projected season ahead from myself (don’t fancy top 4). This season is shaping up to be a nothing season and with that I’d have liked a bolder approach personally. What exactly qualifies an Arteta appointment as a bold appointment Charlie? Yes we may finish 5th, 6th or judging from the way we are defending 7th or 8th, but that is what happens when your only defensive signings are a 34 year old brought in for… Read more »
Joe
No he wasn’t
He was close to the title on 3 occasions since then
He got us to semi final of champions league in 08
And went on to become the most successful FA cup manager of all time
Would hardly call that finished.
Is Jose finished?
t seems that many supporters are like me we dont understand what Emery is saying, we need an interpreter. a lot of it is like gibberish and he doesnt clearly explain why Leno and Torrera” Another solid point, In the Four matches played thus far, there’s been a discernable pattern of absolute lack of communication amongst the players, the performances are painfully disjointed as if the players are meeting themselves for the very first time,Like he is finding it difficult to translate his ideas to the players This would certainly go some way to explaining not only a lack of… Read more »
He was close to the title on 3 occasions since then
No he bottled the title on 3 occasions. Because of his idiotic management
He was finished in 2006 because he didn’t win those 3 titles and should have
Vic
“In the Four matches played thus far, there’s been a discernable pattern of absolute lack of communication amongst the players, the performances are painfully disjointed as if the players are meeting themselves for the very first time”
Of course. Did you expect any different?
This is a new manager asking from his players new ideas and actions on the pitch.
And this after having a manager for decades playing a certain way.
t seems that many supporters are like me we dont understand what Emery is saying, we need an interpreter. a lot of it is like gibberish and he doesnt clearly explain why Leno and Torrera”Another solid point No it’s not. Emery’s attempts in explaining tactics and also to render information on absence of playing personnel in English language just about compound matters more We have currently at least 5 or 6 Spanish speaking players in the first team. This is one of those stupid excuses dumb people make who have an agenda. His English now is better than his first… Read more »
Exactly Ishola
Receding
Charlie and his merry band of Arteta protagonists just like the whiff of Guardiola’s fragrance around.
I wonder if that Guardiola scent would have helped us spend >250 million on a defense line since 2016.
Guardiola has sent over a quarter of a BILLION on Danilo, Laporte, Mendy, Stones and Kyle Walker.
Now that’s what you really call RADICAL MOVES.
The reason for some of our performances has nothing to do with a lack of English from the manager but rather players like Xhaka, Bellerin, Ozil and Ramsey not performing well
Marko
Really civil
How can you expect people to treat you with respect when you are so utterly rude and condescending to other posters simply for stating their views.
And you keep labelling others as stupid. Marko, you are the dumbest poster on this page. You are fucking dumb. You consistently tangle yourself in knots and end up conferring your own point for whoever it is you’ve picked a fight with
un na naai
Once isnt three times, we came close in 08 but no other time im afraid.
Also i wouldnt class a semi final in the champions league as almost winning something either.
Ill give you FA cups are nice but you have to admit there was a decline in wenger since 06. To not do so makes you look ridiculous.
@ Dissenter
The Arteta thing baffles me a lot
@ Marko
Maybe the football in use also speak Spanish and broken English, explains why Ramsey struggles to control simple passes
I was one of those on here who got excited at the prospect of Arteta as manager – mind you. like most, I’d have got excited at anybody who wasn’t Wenger. But I thought Mikel had the right qualities – leadership, intelligence, youth, the benefit of Pep, a love for Arsenal, know-how of the PL, and of the dreadful owner, spoke English fluently and, oh yes he has a gorgeous wife. But you don’t win three Europa leagues by accident. And Emery didn’t do badly at PSG either. But it seems the guy didn’t get on with Neymar and the… Read more »
Lacazette; “Arsenal are ‘learning like children’ under Unai Emery, says Alexandre Lacazette”
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/sep/03/arsenal-learning-children-unai-emery-alexandre-lacazette
This just lends credence to the often cited claims that Wenger didn’t do / or didn’t do enough tactics
A well drilled squad shouldn’t have to learn like children.
All of a sudden supporters who found a way to justify 8-2 and 10-2 hammerings can not stomach 6 points from 12 and some disjointed performances
AMAZING!!
Pat
Please tell me where I’ve said there was no decline. You can’t because I didn’t say it.
The discussion was over weather or not he was finished in 06 and I say no. Champions league semi finals is not finished
We were cheated against Barca in 2011
We had a great squad who threw their toys and betrayed him after that and then he just was never able to claw it back.
And no, we’ve been top of the league 3 times and had our February collapse on 3 occasions since 06
‘A well drilled squad shouldn’t have to learn like children’
This is the central point.
Emery is building a modern team from the ground up, whereas someone like Sarri is taking over a team of champions coached by Conte and Mourinho before that.
We came 3rd in 2008 which is hardly what you call close
We came 2nd twice after that but we were only 4 points from top that season after eduardos leg break. We should have won the league that year
Had we kept rvp and cesc and nasri and sorted ourinjury situation out I have no doubt that side would have won the league and maybe more
Cesc
Cool your jets. Chelsea were a broken mess and Sarri has managed to:
Get over losing the GK
Keeping Hazard
Coming to a new country
Sorting the team out
Tactics
Come on. Emery had all summer to recruit and bollocksed it up. A GK that is so shit, Cech is still playing. A slower than Per CB, a bizarre 34 year old back up RB, giving Xhaka a new deal and playing him in every minute and persevering with Ozil.
Chelsea weren’t Real Madrid, mate but Sarri has got them ticking.
Emery doesn’t seem to know what he wants.
Had we kept rvp and cesc and nasri and sorted ourinjury situation out I have no doubt that side would have won the league and maybe more
Had i been able to correctly predict the correct scores on my weekend betslip i will be a millionaire today
‘Chelsea were a broken mess’ 5th last season, 1st the season before. Just like they were 10th when Conte took over, 1st the season before that. Broken mess borders on hyperbole. ‘Get over losing the GK’ By spending £70 Million and getting Kovacic in return? Not much to get over. ‘Keeping Hazard’ They either kept him or would have got £150-200 Million for him. The rest is irrelevant really, it has nothing to do with what he is taking over. Those same things are true of Emery but he isn’t taking over a well balanced team that spent 50% of… Read more »
Imagine if Arteta was hired and he is now having it just a little bit tough…..people here would be setting fire to streets by now. We have an Emery who was hired by PSG because they saw him as a winner, and who should still be there had he cuddled Neymar better. How can you be sure Emery even had a hand in bringing in Papa who makes our defence slow? The man knows a good way to play and he is trying to effect it, yes, he might have inherited some players unfit for such play, but if you… Read more »
Guns,
“Cool your jets. Chelsea were a broken mess and Sarri has managed to:Get over losing the GK, Keeping Hazard, Coming to a new country, Sorting the team out
Tactics”
The core of the Chelsea squad won two of the last four league titles.
Emery is not responsible for keeping players, Mislintat and Sanlehi have that job.
There’s such a thing as facts you know, other than that weak arsed moans you keep throwing around.
You’re the president and sole member of the Emery-out brigade.
If Emery had been in charge of Madrid and had this start, he would be sacked.
Arsenal need to become more ruthless. It works for Chelsea.
Dissenter
I am not the only one. A few more have joined the Emery out movement.
He wasn’t the right man and after this season, it will be obvious.