I’m very excited to welcome new guest columnist Jonathan Blaustein (he’s NYT levels). He’s a great writer, he packs a punch and this is his first article (stay for the podcast at the end as well). Find him @jblauphoto.
Well hello there, fellas.
What do you know?
You probably don’t remember, but I wrote a guest post here at Le Grove back in 2014, as I was the poor schmuck whose DVR failed, dooming me to miss the first FA Cup victory.
(All was not lost, as I did a full media blackout, and watched a replay a few days later.)
For the last couple of seasons, I’ve written a regular column at the American Arsenal blog 7amkickoff. (Thanks, Tim.) It gave me a chance to opine on all the ridiculous elements of the Late-Wenger-Era, with a healthy dose of Jose Mourinho mockery too.
Perhaps to tie those themes together, we should keep a running tally of all the times Mourinho mocks Wenger this season? That man would fuck Arsene Wenger’s corpse if he could get away with it, just to have the final word.
All along, though, I continued to read Le Grove daily, beside 7amkickoff, Arseblog, ESPN and The Guardian.
Nearly two years ago, I surprisingly found myself coming around to Pete’s way of thinking. Instead of sounding like a cocky asshole, he came across as a forward-thinking, intelligent young man, well ahead of the curve. Sure, he was on the same message for the last 4 years, but eventually, the world moved in his direction.
Pete called for the modernization of Arsenal Football Club. He said hire a proper backroom staff. And a Director of Football. Modernize the training methods. Get current on analytics. Bring in high-level talent from other successful organizations. (Ultimately Barcelona and Dortmund.)
Pete was bitching about the red zone, and proper player rotation, at least 5 years ago.
And while I was a newbie as both an Arsenal fan and a sports writer back in 2014, now I am neither. (I’ve been a professional photography writer for 8 years, including 5 years at the New York Times.)
I’ve watched 95% of the Arsenal matches since I became a fan in 2011, and have seen 3 FA Cup titles in the interim. I’ve got a solid track record of prognostication over the last two years, and think I’m ready for you guys.
The truth is, everyone needs a change sometimes. It seemed like the perfect time to jump back to Le Grove.
I’m aiming for a monthly column, but might write a bit more than that if the situations are worthy.
But since this is my August contribution, I’ll give you my quick synopsis of the situation.
I like Unai Emery, and mostly like the summer and the squad. (I would have been happier if we’d brought in a CB with true quickness and speed, but that will likely wait until next summer’s window.) Emery strikes me as a passionate, likeable, hardworking grinder with a vision how to build this team.
Remember, he only got the PSG job because he was considered an up-and-comer who wins trophies. Sure, he’s got less shine now, (since he got sacked in Paris,) but I’m not sure he ever had a chance, once they signed Neymar.
The biggest stain on Emery’s reputation is the choke-fest against Barcelona in the 2017 Champions League. And don’t forget, one of the stars of the victory was… Neymar.
Speaking as a student of human nature, there is no fucking way Neymar was going to come to PSG with respect for a coach whose team just capitulated like that. Emery never stood a chance last year, and still he brought home silverware. (Though he gets no credit for it, given his budget, and the fact that Monaco drastically disassembled their title-winning team.)
Right now, after Saturday’s win, it still looks a bit like Wenger-ball, but with more cutback crosses from Hector Bellerin. The press hasn’t really taken root yet, but you can see where he’s going with it. And the attempts to build from the back, (to break the press,) are far-less-feeble than during Wenger’s last couple of years. (Post-Cazorla-injury.)
Even if Mustafi and Sokratis are a scary pair, (not in a good way,) with Torreira and Guendouzi potentially patrolling in front of them, I’m far less frightened than if we were stuck with Ramsey and Xhaka instead.
My belief this season is all about the Europa league, and the race for 4th. Everyone talks about the latter, but the former is more realistic, in my opinion.
Arsenal literally hired an expert in winning the Europa league, and have handed him enough talent to do it. (I’ll bet you £10 that Atletico don’t crash out of the Champions League early this year either.)
Emery has 2 cracks at the Champions League, and I think he’s a decent bet to come through on one of them, but probably not both. If he wins the FA or League Cup, but doesn’t get into the Champions League, I think he’ll keep his job, but it will be considered more failure than success.
Basically, I’m currently bullish on the post-Wenger era. (Especially now that Emery pulled out his first, very Wenger-ish victory.) And for the record, I officially called for the end of Arsene in the winter of 2017.
By then, I’d come around to Le Grove’s way of thinking, and hope you guys dig my columns to come.
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Simply stating the fact that just another top four finish for him while he apparently waits for Madrid or Manchester United is not good enough.
So according to you an Arsenal (super)fan another top 4 isn’t good enough for Poch he has to win something. And this is a fact? Yeah I’m not sure anyone gives a shit about your facts. Here’s another thing where were you when Wenger was going 9 nearly 10 years without a trophy?
Please write in english… we dont gave z in modernisation
Also, I can’t think of a single current arsenal player who’d make their starting XI.
A sad indictment indeed
It makes me sick to say it, but Spuds play some very good football, Poch has improved many players over there, and they are now brimming with confidence. It should be us. It should be us, but of course it isn’t because our club’s owners sat on their hands while Wenger dragged us towards mid table mediocrity. Now with the first three games out of the way, it is crystal clear to all but the most dyed in the wool AKB headbanger just how bad things were allowed to become. Arsenal don’t need a few tweaks here and there, we… Read more »
Never really saw what the fuss was with Nelson to be honest, this seems like Emery has decided there isn’t much there for him to work with unless the player himself has pushed for the move?
Hahaha…now finishing 4th a couple of seasons and building a stadium makes one a successful coach? And those arguing that other managers winning trophies is a fluke, how do you explain that your genius of a manager never enjoys a fluke season? Hard luck? I don’t think so. Yes, Tottenham are doing better than they have done in the past, but they have not yet done anything that makes Pich a genius manager. And, arguing that it’s ok for him to win nothing because he hasn’t managed Real Madrid etc, I guess it’s akin to arguing that coaches like Guardiola… Read more »
Receding
Agreed, my wife is is not a trophy laden manager.
Who are you talking about? Wenger or Emery?
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Simeone depicts the perfect manager.
Intelligent, tactically savvy, passionate.
Manages with his heart on his sleeve.
For me, he was always going to succeed as a manager and was made for a club like AM.
And, those arguing that he’s overachieving with the team he has. Please tell me how many of the current Arsenal players will get into that Tottenham first 11? He has some really good players, and he’s in his 4th year. No excuses, they need to kick on and win something, otherwise it’s all fluff.
Pochetino’s teams always look good at the beginning of the season but they come up empty.
This season — for Man City, Liverpool and Chelsea re the real threats for the title. I would love to say Arsenal too but Emery has to show real ambition in the transfer market in January.
Again just emphasising my point . Spurs are shit , them playing better football means jack shit , what have they got to show for it ? Same as us , Hell even Wenger managed top4 with clichy , eboue and denilson to name a few. This debate is not about Pochettino its about Spurs and people claiming they are better than us. The very thing we hate Wenger for is the reason you people are fawnimg over Spurs , which to me is hypocritical.
Reiss Nelson is a big big loss if true.
Pochettino is an excellent manager because he, in the space of 4 years, has changed the ethos and culture of TH and, more significantly, has done it all on a shoestring budget, unlike Arsenal FC.
Whatever way you look at things, Spuds, under Poch, have progressed.
In the same period Arsenal have regressed.
Hopefully Emery is good enough to play catch-up.
So according to you an Arsenal (super)fan another top 4 isn’t good enough for Poch he has to win something. And this is a fact? Yeah I’m not sure anyone gives a shit about your facts. Here’s another thing where were you when Wenger was going 9 nearly 10 years without a trophy?
I was here and so were the media and we all sang about it and wailed for him to be crucified ..what’s your point??
Spurs are better than us, they look like the 3rd best team in the EPL right now and we currently look the 5th or 6th. Simple logic. They have three players in their team worth £100 Million or more, we have none. They have done all of this with a wage budget far lower than ours and with less spend. They are very well run and we are a good couple of years away from that level unfortunately. Does that mean they are the best thing ever? Obviously not. Are they better than us? Obviously. The only thing we can… Read more »
In 20 years time when they look back at Arsenal and spurs history from 2013/18….who do you think will look like the most successful club and who was the most successful manager. The great pochettino or the clueless wenger. from 2013/18.
Now lets have a look
Tottenham trophies won.. A big fat zero
Tottenham league position.. 6th,5th 3rd 2nd, 3rd
Arsenal trophies won 3
League position 4th,3rd,2nd, 5th,6th
I do believe wenger wins that hands down… Not even close.
Ben D
You’re missing one key point.
Unlike Wenger, he has coached and motivated his players to believe in a system.
Give Pochettino the Arsenal squad of 2014 and I guarantee things at the Emirates would have been very different.
Pochettino is a smart, intelligent and respected modern day manager/coach.
“I do believe wenger wins that hands down… Not even close.”
And that’s why we should have kept him.
(lol)
Give Pochettino the Arsenal squad of 2014 and I guarantee things at the Emirates would have been very different.
Offer Pochettino Wenger’s career and trophy haul and he will bite your hands off.
The man is trophy less…system or no system he is trophy less.
Three Mourinho said last night…three premier league titles. The other 19 have two among them. He could only say that because Wenger has left the building. Last night most of you were making a mockery of Jose and how he should be sacked, fair enough, but to then come on here and behave like a trophy less manager should be worshiped, i disagree . Pochettino is no winner, Jose at least was. Emery is Pochettino’s age mate, lets remove the trophy haul from france you all like to poo over, he still has three European trophies and a european coach… Read more »
Receding
You’re trying too hard to disprove the obvious
No one said Spuds are world beaters or that Poch is the second coming of Fergie.
The obvious points being noted are that he has assembled a team that is improving by the year, is very hard to beat and are better that Arsenal currently….with far less funds.
Trophyless…yes. You cam lampoon him for that but he was a manager Real wanted after Zidane. He’s a damn good manager.
Pete
I love the optimism on the pod, but all this talk about us racking up 21 points by the time we face Liverpool, which is 18 of the next 21 points available, seems like a bit much. I maintain that I don’t really think it’s about the league this year anyway though. It’s abour the start of the rebuild and the Europa League.
You guys also mentioned Man U being ahead of us on goal differential. Very false. They just got hammered 3-0, and their only win was by a goal.
RH
“The man is trophy less…system or no system he is trophy less.”
Not even a cup finalist…
Receding “Emery is Pochettino’s age mate, lets remove the trophy haul from france you all like to poo over, he still has three European trophies and a european coach of the year award, No he has never managed real madrid, Barca or man united. It was on the strength of him being a winner that he was entrusted with a mega million squad at PSG,, he earned that right. The media did not have to keep writing articles to get him that job.” yeah, good point. slightly baffled by those who seem to think he’s some kind of bargain basement… Read more »
Our darling Poch is not special, end of. He had a very strong squad but still was out done by the Tinkerman Ranieri. His team just collapsed when it mattered, if he was that good then the freak year year Ranieri lifted the trophy was his one and only chance. That year all the big teams in epl were in hibernation and Poch the darling of many couldn’t take full advantage of that season. Poch is just punching above his weight, end of.
Reiss Nelson probably seen Gnabry & Jadon Sancho developing well in the Bundesliga and decided to follow suit.
Alexanderhenry
“Also, I can’t think of a single current arsenal player who’d make their starting XI.”
Ozil?
if Pep keeps City at, or roundabout, last season’s level then everyone’s just fighting for 2nd until he leaves.
Offer Pochettino Wenger’s career and trophy haul and he will bite your hands off. The man is trophy less…system or no system he is trophy less. 10 years into his career and at no big clubs with no expectation. Put now him into early Wenger and he probably wins things. No one’s fawning over Poch or Spurs here it’s just acknowledging that they’re doing well the last couple seasons and he’s doing a good job the only people who are saying otherwise and demanding that he wins trophies are Arsenal fans. If he were to leave Spurs at the end… Read more »
Ozil wouldn’t make their starting 11 Pierre. Before you go on one of your day long wind ups stop he wouldn’t Erikson is better
Marko- The chief critic of anything Arsenal, Chief sympathizer/defender of everything but Arsenal.
What a speciman
Hey Rambo. So confused I shouldn’t say anything critical of Arsenal and I should never be seen to compliment another team. I mean if I knew there was a rule book to abide by
There has to be concern about the departure of Reiss Nelson, because last season we thought that both Nelson and Nkietah were the best prospects for
promotion of home grown talent into the first team squad.
Previously we have lost players like Mavdidi, McGuane and Bielek and a raft of other youngsters so one should ask where is the next major talent coming from.?
When you look at the current U23 squad the resources look waifer thin.
Marko
“. No one’s fawning over Poch or Spurs here”
You could have fooled me.
For those arguing for or against Poch, it all based on individual interpretation.
What was the fuss about Reiss Nelson?. Good for him if he makes it by if he doesn’t, he may become a journeyman.
Spurs will implode when the need arises.
Arsnal shall rise again.
Pierre it’d be left alone if people weren’t trying so hard to distort reality.
Nelson had one year left on his deal apparently and was stalling on a new one
“You could have fooled me.”
Talk about a low bar.
Chop suey
What is your opinion of Arsene Wenger are /were you a supporter of his methods.
Pierre it’d be left alone if people weren’t trying so hard to distort reality.
The reality being?
Fact ,,he has done well
Myth,,he has done exceptionally well or is a special manager, nope he is not, He has not earned it. He is just a good manager, plenty of them around. Madrid want him is not an endorsement, lots of duds have managed madrid
Nelson had one year left on his deal apparently and was stalling on a new one
Ramsey?
Myth,,he has done exceptionally well or is a special manager, nope he is not, He has not earned it. He is just a good manager, plenty of them around. Madrid want him is not an endorsement, lots of duds have managed madrid
Why? Why do you say this? 10 years as manager without a trophy?
Why? Why do you say this? 10 years as manager without a trophy?
Yes , 10 years as a manager without a trophy, one of those years spent watching Ranieri win the premier league. You can go on a rant all u like but that’s just facts.
I know in your books he is exceptional, just don’t try to ram it down our collective throats
Pierre would swap an FA Cup for a Champions league spot all day long…
I know it doesn’t mean you’re handcuffed to your club these days , but didn’t Reiss sign a new deal 2 months ago ?
The mirror says it’s a loan deal to join hoffenheim
With respect to Spurs/Poch, I actually agree with Receding! 🙂
A shit Wenger won three FA cups in 5 years.
A shit Wenger won three FA cups in 5 years.
I mean you don’t even have to be that good to win things ….he has not even made a league cup final since he arrived in this country …..how can you defend this
He has this snobbish attitude towards cups which is just his way of masking the fact he cannot win them
Yes , 10 years as a manager without a trophy, one of those years spent watching Ranieri win the premier league. You can go on a rant all u like but that’s just facts Wenger watched Leicester win it that year too. You know another fact for you Espanyol have only won 4 Copa del Reys in 114 years and Southampton won one FA Cup in 134 years. Any expectations of trophies at those clubs is utterly absurd. Spurs haven’t won a league since the 60’s the FA Cup since 1991 and one league cup in about 20 years. Basically… Read more »
I know it doesn’t mean you’re handcuffed to your club these days , but didn’t Reiss sign a new deal 2 months ago ?
That was Maitland Niles
Cesc Appeal
Im not sure if that means that spurs have arrived ? They are currently better than us is that their achievement ? Currently . They have the 100million dollars player trophy or Currently the third best team in england trophy . The truth is For all their ambitions and progress as you seem to lap it up , this is their best team and they cant even manage to win a domestic cup. They are historic bottlers , all their good management has done is expose people like you.
Pierre
‘Ozil?’
At his best yes, on current form no, but ok
That’s one player.
Poch getting more smoke blown up his arse I see? I see a few twisting the criteria of winning trophies when asked about it. Has he had a better side than Arsenal since his inception? If yes then where’s the token cup to indicate progression and a winners mentality? All this “Spurs are a smaller club/expectations are different” is absolute nonsense. Their XI competes with ANY XI in the premier league, how can you coin a manager impressive if he can’t deliver even minor trophies given the team he has? That’s a more than fair question to pose. Being “good”… Read more »
Alex no okay Özil would not make it on to their team. There used to be an argument for Sanchez and Bellerin but not anymore
Marko
An in form ozil might, but you can see the point I’m making.
Also, how many current arsenal players would make it into the invincibles squad? That’s a big zero.
It was on the strength of him being a winner that he was entrusted with a mega million squad at PSG,, he earned that right. The media did not have to keep writing articles to get him that job.
This…
The truth shall set you free…
Thanks Marko for making my point
Funny how u drag “finished” Wenger into the equation when i mentioned Pochettino with a superior team losing a league title to Ranieri who by the way was Leicester manager then …
Let me ask , based on what criteria is Pochettino an exceptional manager because i really don’t see what you are trying to achieve here. Exceptional managers win things …
If tomorrow he walks away from spurs what tangible rewards does he leave behind, and No he did not build them a stadium
and then we have guys like GoH who wanted arteta over emery. I mean, seriously, what was a arteta going to bring that emery doesn’t have? maybe a better command of the English language but nothing else…
Being “good” and being a winner are vastly different
You’ll notice nobody is saying he’s a winner but acknowledging that he’s a good manager doing a clearly good job. That people are saying otherwise because he hasn’t won anything doesn’t change anything.
Torriera would walk in the Spurs team and be captain
An in form ozil might, but you can see the point I’m making.Also, how many current arsenal players would make it into the invincibles squad? That’s a big zero.
I’m not sure an in form Ozil is better than an inform Erikson anymore. An inform Erikson offers more
Torriera would walk in the Spurs team and be captain
ah Jesus, off his meds again. Yes red, an Ospina is moving to Madrid…
Lol Marko no one has said he was not a good manager …come off it
What i have said is he is not an exceptional manager and he is most of all not a winner
Funny how u drag “finished” Wenger into the equation when i mentioned Pochettino with a superior team losing a league title to Ranieri who by the way was Leicester manager then …
I said Wenger finished not finished Wenger even though he was in fact finished. I was merely pointing out that Wenger too lost the league to Leicester with a superior squad
Also find me where I said exceptional
an in form erikson is as good as rakitic. Let’s not put ozil and in form in the same sentence cause he has only two gears. Flat track bully or hide. Atm he’s in his hiding gear…
Just out of interest… Does anyone realise that Harry Rednapp’s record at Tottenham is on par with pochettino.. There are stats to prove it.
I think if anything puts iy into perspective then that’s it.
Also find me where I said exceptional
So in a nutshell you have no idea what you have been defending for hours now, it’s just that it has nothing to do with Arsenal but a rival so u must defend it to the death.
Not one person here has argued the man you are laying your life down for is not a good manager, we are just pointing out the simple truth, it’s about time he starts picking up winners medals, or must that only come when you manage Madrid, barca, or the Manchester clubs??
I think pochettino is under achieving considering the talent he has at his disposal.
When you consider that wenger won 3 trophies + 3 community shields (a trophy that Tottenham can’t win because you need to win a trophy first ) with a weaker squad, so surely that would make him a better manager, wouldn’t it?
@Pierre : are you part of wenger’s family – for real ??
League positions are an indicator who is the better team not winning FA Cups.
If Wolves went all out and targeted the FA Cup, I’m sure they’d come close.
Ruth
The only important League position is 1st
He’s had the better team for about 3 seasons now, surely he’s due a trophy no matter now tinpot at least, is he doing a good job with their budget and all? yea sure but even the most ardent spurs fan will tell you he needs to win a trophy to make him “exceptional”
Not one person here has argued the man you are laying your life down for is not a good manager
… you are such a melt
… you are such a melt
Ditto
Pochetino and klopp won’t be winning the league or champions league this year, they’ll get top four, and that’s it.
They might get a cup, who does that remind you off?
Oh that’s right the doddering old fool we just got rid off,
(thank God)
Moving in the right direction isn’t winning something, there better than us at the moment, but if you don’t win the league or champions league after 4 years there no better than a certain Frenchman.
This debate is going to a different direction. No one is saying Poch is a genius or a trailblazer but you have to acknowledge the fact that he made spurs, a very very average team to go to Old Trafford and beat Man United. That might be a one off but it’s no mean feat. You have to admire the fact that when they play top teams, they go in as possibly winning or losing marginally. We haven’t enjoyed that privilege in years!!!!! All I’m saying and a few others as well; is that they are improving and without excuses… Read more »
Marko
You and others were waxing lyrical about Poch and offering up shameless “reasons” for his lack of tangible success.
It’s not a hard one, when he can pop a trophy on the table people will go ‘some manager that’. Until then it’s ‘good manager…but’.
Except you want to excuse him left and right. Only had small clubs was my fave, so Wengers Arsenal was better than Pochs Spurs? Hard to keep track of your varied opinions that contradict
How does one become a specialist in winning the Euro league? Just because he has won it a few times, did that make Wenger a specialist in the FA cup? I dont know how that title has stuck, but its a moot selling point as far as i know. Any strong team that bows out in the group stage will be a challenge for us. Doesn’t matter if its Atletico or not. Anyhow, I hope that January sees us let go of Ramsey, and get the winger we are dying for. Who knows what Ozil will be like in a… Read more »
With all due respect, the spuds beat a poor utd side who look like they want Maureen sacked.
They didn’t beat a prime saf side.
If they went to the etihad and whipped peps arse 0-3 I might sit up and take notice.
I Know we haven’t done that in a long time but at present there better than us
So it’s all about Poch and spuds this evening?
Ok, will come back when we resume on things Arsenal.
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Seems Ramsey has got the pay rise he desired!
Only had small clubs was my fave, so Wengers Arsenal was better than Pochs Spurs? Hard to keep track of your varied opinions that contradict
Espanyol and Southampton are small clubs… Spurs have got one trophy in 20 years I mean he’s not a miracle worker
Guns of sf
“How does one become a specialist in winning the Euro league? Just because he has won it a few times, did that make Wenger a specialist in the FA cup?”
Actually, yes it does…
Marko
Don’t dance around the meat of the question. Which was a better side, Wengers later Arsenal or Pochs Spurs?
Feel free to reason how/why Wenger managed to win FA cups in Pochs time?
Pierre
“The only important League position is 1st”
We may as well finish 17th then.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/7120192/arsenal-santi-cazorla-villarreal-sevilla/amp/
Elneny, or questionably fit Cazorla?
I know who I’d rather have, and seems little Santi is back to doing what he does best. Nice to see
Biggus Here’s where you’re wrong , They beat a very very average ManUtd team . Secondly , without oil money is what Wenger also delivered top 4 , He did that with selling players and breaking even . Even Brendan fcuking Rodgers came second with Suarez in his prime , did he win something? Everyone said he did a great job then , where is he now ? Spurs havent managed well , they got lucky with Bale money before too what happened then remember ? You see the conundrum is , that you are praising a club who almost… Read more »
Which was a better side, Wengers later Arsenal or Pochs Spurs?
Spurs in the league for sure. Sounds like you’re making a case for Wenger still being manager though
… you are such a melt
Ditto
this is the sort of debate, le grove is best known for. it gets real gruesome in here fellows…
Marko
Pochettino didn’t exactly take over a team floundering in mid table or near the bottom did he.
In the 5 years before he joined they were in the top 6 and had reached the qf of the champions league.
Yes, he has improved them, but looking at league positions and Europe, the differences have been marginal.
Elneny, or questionably fit Cazorla?
Xhaka or questionably fit Cazorla? That’s a tough one…
“Spurs in the league for sure. Sounds like you’re making a case for Wenger still being manager though“
Only sounds like that because you’re a bit dim.
So Poch had the team to win a trophy then if Wengers Arsenal won multiple? Kind of not what you argued previously.
Just curious what “reasons” you wish to give for him not winning anything since being at Spurs? Banford ironically is giving it the “judge them in May” treatment, but it’s been a number of years now.
According to Wenger it’s not about ‘trophies’ but ‘values’
History will say that between 2013/18, Arsene Wenger was the more successful manager…
Pochettino zero
Wenger 3
Pochettino league record is marginally better..
Harry Kane knows he has time on his side hes still 26, I think? Give it a year or two , he will dump the spurs for ManUtd/Madrid and they will go back to being midtable at best. Or Pochettino will be poached by any of the big clubs then it will be back to Juande Ramos.
Arsenal fans are not paying the highest ticket prices in football to win tin pot trophies like the FA Cup . Champions league and league titles should be the bare minimum
Marko
Imagine if it was wenger failing in fa semi finals or crucial league games or in Europe (I won’t say in finals because he never gets past the semi), wenger would be crucified in the media, but no, not the great untouchable, poxychinno
Ruth
“Arsenal fans are not paying the highest ticket prices in football to win tin pot trophies like the FA Cup .”
They are!
I couldn’t tell you Charlie why Poch hasn’t won a trophy at Spurs but he’s still a good manager and doing a good job. I also couldn’t tell you why Wenger won the fa cup recently even though he’d gotten to be a bad manager. I mean they’re bottlers at the end of the day maybe that explains some of it. One cup in 20 years maybe it’s a mental thing like with us and the lack of a league title challenge in 14 years