Ozil pulls a sickie, again + Emery bags win with painful structural issues on show

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Unai Emery continued his assault on the culture of entitlement at Arsenal when he dropped Mesut Ozil from the squad. The official line is that the German was ill, the smokey rumour is he found out he was being dropped and decided he wasn’t going to show for the squad. Either way, it says a lot about the challenges our new manager has with our most expensively remunerated player.

If he really was ill, that’d be the 7th time in 20 months. A quite staggering amount of sick days to pull when you don’t ride public transport, are fed and watered with outrageous precision, and you exercise almost every day of the week. Healthy adults who are athletes simply don’t get sick that often. The manager went all in on quashing the rift angle.

“This information isn’t true. I don’t know who started telling this information,”

“You ask me or the doctor of the club – he was sick.

“I spoke to him and the doctor and we decided he would not play. He left training to go home because he was sick. Today, I said to him come in if you feel better and today he feels better.

“Before the match he was speaking with me and the team. There is no problem with the player – ask the doctor and he will explain it.”

The manager has to deny the rift, he doesn’t want to be seen throwing players under the bus, but at the same time, he doesn’t want players leaking to the press that Mesut gets special treatment. My big question is this… if he’s too sick to play, but not sick enough to be at the ground in the dressing room, what sort of illness is this?

The game was a real mixed bag again. Arsenal went a goal down early on, our defence was utterly shambolic, and West Ham were taking great joy with the ease they were having getting in behind our unstructured high line. Their goal came when Anderson drove through our midfield from his own half unchallenged, he set up a one-two at the edge of the box with Arnautovic driving home with precision.

No one can say the game wasn’t entertaining, there was a real end to end battle going off, just a shame we looked so disorganized every time the ball came into our half. Hector Bellerin might be finding joy moving forward this season, but his defending has regressed to dangerous levels of awful. Time and time again, average players breeze in behind him. On a different day, the final score could have been very different.

Thankfully, we did pull a goal back very quickly, Hector broke in behind down West Ham’s right side, he drove a low cross into the six-yard box, with Monreal at the back post ready to take a touch and squeeze his shot in.

The second half came with Emery’s customary preseason-like realisation that he’d made a starting 11 mistake. Lacazette was once again needed to help Arsenal have any edge in attack. The Frenchman has the ability to bring people into the game as well as ferret out opportunities in and around the box. The goal was all about him, Aaron Ramsey fought the sun to head a loose ball back into the box, Lacazette brought the ball down on his shoulder, turned and crossed at Issa Diop who bagged himself an unfortunate own goal.

The manager also brought off the exciting, yet error-prone Guendouzi, replacing him with Torriera. It added a little more stability to the midfield, allowing Xhaka a bit more freedom to float the ball around like the distribution wizard he is.

We weren’t finished. The ghost of Arsene Wenger haunted the players for the last ten minutes, in a moment of madness, we’d committed all our players forward leaving Anderson to make a powerful driving run at our box, fortunately for us Lucas Perez was the recipient of his pass and he gashed the ball wide.

Emery gave WELBZ a little run-out, the Englishman fresh off the back of scoring a training ground goal from behind the goal, took time out to pick the ball 6 yards out, pirouette, and smash home for our 3rd of the afternoon.

The scoreline was a touch undeserving, but I’m not really in the mood to care, Emery has his first three points on the board and the players can take confidence in the methods and move onto the next game with a smile.

Emery was realistic about what was served up.

“It was very important to win, and we showed that we can win in difficulty, after 1-0 in the first half,” Emery told BBC Sport.

“We suffered with the transition in the first half, but we improved in the second half and controlled it more like we want.

“We need to improve in this transition to get the balance.”

I think the balance came in midfield, having Torreira on the pitch gave us bite in midfield and a bit more focus. Xhaka was free to cause problems without having to do the dirty work. I also thought Auba out wide with the more industrious Lacazette through the middle helped change our fortunes.

The big worry for me is that we don’t really have the players to carry out the manager’s dream. We don’t have much in the way of pace or directness to be a true counter-attacking threat. We also have a number of round pegs in square holes. Ramsey isn’t a number 10 for me. He’s great to lead the press, but he’s not really suited to creating the way we want. I also think Bellerin is becoming a huge problem for us, namely that he seems to be our only attacking outlet going forward, whilst being a huge liability at the back.

Our defence overall is a huge disaster at the moment, we have slow players trying and failing to implement a high line and something that looks like an offside trap. I appreciate this is all new to them, but it needs to improve and fast if we’re to break top 4 this season. Sokratis made some strong tackles yesterday, but he also looks off the pace. Oh what I’d give to have Koscielny back in the mixer.

All in all, a good day for Emery. I think the fans are fully behind passengers like Ozil being shown the bench when they deserve it, and I think everyone is enjoying how the side is starting to shape up. I don’t mean to be a gloater, but it does feel good that a new manager has come in and all the things we thought we were seeing with the German are the things Emery is fighting hard to address. Just a shame Ozil isn’t fighting for a new deal this year, think his behaviour might be a little less bratty.

The biggest takeaway: Ideas need to sink in a little faster and the defence needs to get into shape quickly, because if West Ham can open us up on demand, Liverpool are going to obliterate us in 7 games time.

Right, that’s me done. See you on the other side. x

 

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Bamford

How you can take that stance after the man winning the World Cup golden boot is beyond me. His goals tally is world class. He’s there to score goals and that’s what he does. Better than 99.9% of footballers in the world game. His numbers are beyond dispute yet here you are desperately trying to claw on to any remaining credibility you think you have. You get it wrong so many times but this and benteke has to be your coup de gras.

Victorious

Marko is really a piece of work,i mean dude is literally obstinate as a mule, lets put aside mitigating factors and its clear as day the performances of this current team under Emery is worse than anything Wenger ever trotted out,Emery should be doing better with the squad is all.

Redtruth

Kane looked lost in the World Cup.
Pundits were making excuses for him which shows how overrated he is.

London gunner

“‘s a much easier story to tell yourself that there’s simply nothing we could have done to compete against the riches of Chelsea etc, that fate was always set against us. It’s much harder to accept that in fact there was a window of opportunity in which we could have truly returned to the elite and cemented superclub status. We could have invested in top players, we could have won titles, we could have grown our finances with commercial deals as a result of those titles…and now that opportunity is gone.  It’s not like we can’t ever win titles again,… Read more »

Redtruth

Victorious

Lests judge Emery in May ….lol…sound familiar…lol

Kwame

Why not use Bellerin as the winger we’ve been longing for. Most, if not all, the problems we are having at the back is because he fails to track back quickly after making his forays upfront.

Marko

Like I said Vic so predictable. Be careful what you wish for am I right

VicVic

Laca starts next match along with Auba, anything else is just plain dumb!

Bob N16

Redruth, trolling again.

From Sansom to Winterburn to Cole, Arsenal were spoilt for quality in our LB position. Most people would accept Cole was the best graduate from our youth set up in the last 25 years. Everybody pretty much, including Arsenal fans who found his departure harsh, acknowledge his ability. 100 England caps counts for something.

But no Redruth, you don’t rate him….

alexanderhenry

Dealing with ozil will be a an early challenge for Emery.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45309873

The press love a story like this.
Arsenal fc is already scrambling to quell rumours. They’ve posted a bust up denial on their FB page.

Redtruth

Wenger didn’t rate Cole either ..lol

Dissenter

‘Marko is really a piece of work,i mean dude is literally obstinate as a mule, lets put aside mitigating factors and ………”.it’s clear as day the performances of this current team under Emery is worse than anything Wenger ever trotted out,Emery should be doing better with the squad is all.” Victorius, What are you talking about? “The performances from Emery have been worse that ANTHING Wenger ever trotted out? 2-10 to Bayern over two legs 0-6 to Chelsea 1-5 Liverpool 2-8 United 0-6 to City in the span of one week. last season. 4-4 Newcastle [coming from 0-4 at halftime]… Read more »

Ishola70

Dissenter

If Emery doesn’t do something with this defence and how shaky it has looked in the first three games then Wenger- like trouncings will come soon enough.

There was a poster on here that said last week that a pasting against one of the better sides may see more adaptability on Emery’s part thereafter.

Let’s hope it doesn’t come down to that.

alexanderhenry

Redruth

So, where are you on Emery? Are you EKB or EOB

Ishola70

Let’s not downplay here.

Arsenal looked shocking defensively first half against West Ham and if it wasn’t for them being shite Arsenal would have been in massive trouble against more than enough teams.

VicVic

‘Liverpool hire throw-in coach’ -Skysports.

Good. And they should go the length and hire a coach for dancing!

Dissenter

Ishola “If Emery doesn’t do something with this defence and how shaky it has looked in the first three games then Wenger- like trouncings will come soon enough.” You mean like spend £60 million each on two center backs and 50 million each on a left back/right backs. I mean he can always buy a new defense. How many times do we have to write that it’s going to take sometime to get the team playing like he wants to. There are no quick fixes to the imbalances we have in the squad. WE HAVE TO PLAY BADLY for the… Read more »

Ishola70

You know had bad the defending was when there is relief that a player like Arnautovic had to come off injured.

And he’s not anywhere near a top player and he missed some chances to prove that as well as slotting one.

Opened up like a tin of worms regularly in that first half by West Ham United. By West Ham.

Dissenter

Ishola
Arnautovic is a good player. He almost went to PSG this summer.

Victorious

Dissenter It’s the PERFORMANCES I’m worried about, did you miss the amount of chances created against us by West Ham? against any potent attack the outcome could have been embarrassing, IF Emery doesn’t instill some sort of composure in the team before we face bindippers we could be conceding double figures I mean it’s all good churning out embarrassing results under the previous manager to make you look somewhat comfortable of what’s currently happening but take a moment and concentrate on the present for ONCE and IF things doesn’t improve in great measure we could be at the end of… Read more »

Ishola70

lol

Almost went to PSG?

He’s average just like the West Ham team as a whole.

Why are you trying to put out that it’s ok to defend like that against what will be a nothing EPL team this season Dissenter?

Or building up individual players just like you built up West Ham as a team before the match.

It wasn’t good enough Dissenter to be struggling so badly defensively at home to a team like West Ham. Simply not good enough.

Pierre

Have to say that marko’s take on xhaka “Worth noting no mention of his first half performance” in thinking that he had a poor first half is way off the mark.

Xhaka had a decent first half and an excellent second half ,if Marko has any doubts on that then I would advise him to watch the game again (if he watched it at all).

Ishola70

Pierre

You flip-flop to high heaven over Xjaka.

One week he’s alright, next week you want him out.

Make up your mind.

One week you want Xjaka’s amazing knit-play, the next you want defensive solidity.

Make up your mind man.

Pierre

Dissenter “You mean like spend £60 million each on two center backs and 50 million each on a left back/right backs. I mean he can always buy a new defense.” maybe he should start by telling his 2 full backs to play as full backs instead of wing backs ,or failing that play with 2 holding midfielders who will give protection to the defence,or failing that play 3 at the back and allow our full backs to be wing backs as there will be adequate cover it they are caught out of position. Guess how much that will cost …….sweet… Read more »

Pierre

Ishola
Actually,I have never given an opinion on xhaka,good or bad , as I can’t quite make my mind up about him …I like a lot of what’s does but I also recognise his lack of mobility..

Marko

Vic you’re embarrassing yourself and surprising no one.

Pierre he was shit the first half. We were impotent going forward and could have conceded 4 goals to West Ham. They completely waltzed through our midfield and we had no control in there. But yeah he was great

alexanderhenry

Pierre

Xhaka may have played ok yesterday but in the long term surely he’s wrong for arsenal and wrong for English football.
He’s technically good but far too slow and one of the worst tacklers I’ve seen in an arsenal midfield.

Bad buy I’m afraid.

Marko

Do people remember that the last two seasons under Wenger we conceded 60+ goals each? I feel like I have to remind certain individuals that

Marko

Agree Alex. Sensible post as per

loyika

Lol at “We have to play badly!?”

What? So the first half performance yesterday was intentional? We might as well have not bothered going for a win then, since we are trying to get the “Powers that be” to see the light and invest in the squad.

Pierre

Marko
He had a decent first half ,most of the problems defensively came down the flanks

It’s quite simple ,if anyone disputes this then watch the game..

Dissenter

“Xhaka had a decent first half and an excellent second half”

True dat
It was Ramsey who had a woeful first half and decent second half

You’ll never know though because it is Xhaka who gets all the dog abuse.

loyika

@ Marko

Yes, but if we still concede 60+ goals this season as well then what next!?

Dissenter

Ishola
Just because people say Xhaka had a good game doesn”t mean they are “flip-flopping”
There is nothing to flip-flop about.

Pierre

Alex
Just making the point to Marko that he was actually decent in the first half..

As for being good enough,probably not….I have always wanted nzonzi ..He and torriera would have been ideal but we have what we have so Emery needs to sort out the defensive side of things….As yet I have not seen anything to give me the impression that he knows how to set up the team defensively.

Dissenter

Loyika There’s a reason why there’s a January transfer window. You don’y know the cards on your deck until you play them. Emery doesn’t control transfers unlike Wenger [whose water you like to carry] The people that do the transfers won’t change squat until they see what’s on display. It’s called playing the long game. That’s why city spent 150 million on left backs and right backs after the first season. Guardiola had to see that the Sagna et all were to far gone. You don’t do that in your line of work?…the one you won’t stop crooning about? You… Read more »

Rambo Ramsey

Kudos to Xhaka though. The fella has set the bar so low that even an average half performance has certain fans excited.

Excellent in the second half they say, dearie me, how far we have fallen.

Marko

It’s quite simple ,if anyone disputes this then watch the game..

I watched the first half. Would you prefer it if I said the whole midfield was shit.

Victorious

At this rate it will be a minor miracle if the defense doesn’t let in 60+ at the end of the season.

Dissenter

We are just using the same standard to assess Ramsey that’s all.

I wonder why that is so difficult?

China

Trollolol victorious

Troll-a-fucking-lol

Victorious

Xhaka ain’t a long time midfied solution for us but so is Ramsey except the latter has the club over a barrel for improved wages of which his performances doesn’t justify.

loyika

@ Dissenter! Tsk tsk tsk!

Poor little Bloke with a “WDS” problem

You really need that to be seen too.

Crooning about my line of work? That would seem far more interesting than you crooning about you expectations for George Weah as the President of Liberia!?

China

Wenger would’ve given city what for, then he’d have smashed Chelsea so hard they’d have quit the football league, then, right then, he’d have beaten west ham 65-1 (we’d concede one goal because no manager can be perfect right?) then we’d have been invincible again after just 3 games and wenger would be crowned rightful president of greater Europe

(Victorious’ dream last night)

Victorious

China back in your box u lemon.

China

The box is dark. I don’t like it in there :/

Rambo Ramsey

“We are just using the same standard to assess Ramsey that’s all.I wonder why that is so difficult?”

Difficult for whom?

You have been firing the Ramsey shots all day, hoping that someone bites. Yet no one has come in with an impassioned defense, portraying blind bias that you insist exists.

Time to put down the cape, man.

Dissenter

One of the worst footballing performance why any team I’ve ever watched was the Arsenal 3-0 loss to Crystal city in April 2017.
Theo Walcott who was the captain for the day spoke afterwards “You could tell they wanted it more. You could sense that from the kick-off. It was an uphill battle”:

We were so badly prepared that even the players knew before a ball was played that they will lose.
Wenger never forgave Walcott after that comment.

Barking Arsene

Based on what we have I’d go 3-5-2 Three at the back Sokratis Lichtsteiner Mustafi Two wing backs Bellerin Monreal Three in midfield Torreira Guendouzi Xhaka Two up front Auba Lacazette I’d say that is going to get the best from Xhaka as he will have both Torreira and Guendouzi working with him. Bellerin can get forward without as much negative impact and gives us a bit of width on the right where Miki would be more inclined to move inside. Ramsey could play instead of Guendouzi but I’m working on the basis that we sell him in Jan. Ozil… Read more »

Marko

Shocking penalty decision. Unbelievable

Marko

You have been firing the Ramsey shots all day, hoping that someone bites. Yet no one has come in with an impassioned defense, portraying blind bias that you insist exists.

This is true. You want parity dissenter fine they’re both shite how about that. Both had good second halfs but both also were poor in the first half and the previous two games

China

Btw xhaka and Ramsey are both pony. I can’t believe this is even necessary to debate

No need to pick favourites. Like Ramsey is slightly more talented but also vastly over paid and over rated, and also much more annoying.

Xhaka is pony in a frighteningly average and often shite kinda way

Which one is better and which one is worse?

Let’s let them fight it out to the death and the winner gets to be a bench player until he’s sold in January. Winning

Dissenter

To all those who said the performances so far is worse than anything on display under Wenger. This was the night the away fans went mental and gave Bellerin dog abuse.

https://youtu.be/DIAhkcJemR4

China

Barking I like your formation but I’d try mikki for either xhaka or guendouzi and have the other two just sit deep

Marko

Brilliant equiliser by Newcastle. Justice really.

Dissenter

This Kepa lad isn’t worth 17 million talk-less of £70 million.
That was his near post and he couldn’t keep it out.

Marko

To all those who said the performances so far is worse than anything on display under Wenger

Only Vic is saying that. And Vic is beyond a joke no one takes him seriously

steve

Foul on Giroud before the goal.

Ishola70

The defence itself just looks as shaky and as horrible as it did before if not worse with Wenger so far.

Of course fans are going to react differently.

Fans are going to react far more aggressively and negatively to Wenger because they had seen it so many times before and so many seasons before.

I hope you are not trying to sweep under the carpet here Dissenter.

This sweeping under the carpet is what made Wenger stay too long.

Marko

This sweeping under the carpet is what made Wenger stay too long.

It’s 3 fucking games Ishola relax. No one’s laying down the groundwork for Emery to underachieve for a decade.

Ishola70

In the three games so far.

Horrible defensively overall.

No real control offensively. A bit hare ’em scare ’em.

Rambo Ramsey

Just a reminder.

West Ham’s midfield was Jack Wilshere and Carlos Sanchez, two of Le Grove’s favorite butt of all jokes.

And we struggled to impose our game against that, playing at home.

Yet some real intelligent folk think one of our midfield players had a super game.

emmanuel nwaneri

I’ve been bleating for years now that…Ozil is a bum; overrated; and a fraud. It has taken just two games for Unai Emery to realise that he has an overpaid prima-donna on his hands. A player who only turns up when the opposition is substandard and below-par, does not deserve to play soccer anywhere in the world. He has been stealing a living at Arsenal under Wenger who indulged him like a besotted lover; and now that his ‘mentor’ has left the house, he has nowhere to hide. Like Myles Palmer of ArsenalNewsReview noted last week, agreeing to pay Ozil… Read more »

gonsterous

Chelsea back in front, how much more luck can they have ??

Paulinho

‘He worked 90 minutes,’ Emery said. ‘Each moment he played when the team needed him. His speed and experience is very important for us.

‘They can give him the ball in a difficult moment because he plays with high personality.’

Unai Emery must have been watching a different game to everyone here. He seems very happy with his performance.

englandsbest

Emery should be given time, and lots of it, because he has inherited an inadequate squad of players and the near certainty that he will not be given the money to bring in adequate ones. Given time, he might, at best claw, Arsenal back into top 4 two or three years hence. There is no sense in over-optimism – that led to the agonising final years of Wenger, watching our Club suffocate. The grim truth is that at most one or two of the Arsenal XI might be wanted at Mancester, Liverpool, Chelsea or down the road. The wanted ones… Read more »

Dissenter

It seems Abrahimovic is set to sell Chelsea for $2 billion.

Barking Arsene

China

Could play Miki there yes – I think having three in the middle also gives you a bit of flexibility in your selection depending on the opposition.

champagne charlie

“Unai Emery must have been watching a different game to everyone here. He seems very happy with his performance.”

Yea, or he’s a manager managing a press conference when asked about a player fucking about with a contract. The exact same situation with comments about Ozil to the press, or is it different depending on the player?

Ramseys speed….. LOL

Marko

Paulinho you didn’t mention who he was talking about but since it’s you would I be right in assuming that you are in fact talking about Aaron Ramsey? Did you get to see the match eventually?

Paulinho

So Emery, what is the latest on Ramsey’s contract?

Emery: ‘He worked 90 minutes, Each moment he played when the team needed him. His speed and experience is very important for us.‘They can give him the ball in a difficult moment because he plays with high personality.’

Press: Okay Unai, that’s not what we asked you but fair enough. What about Xhaka’s performance?

Emery: “Okay guys, that’s enough for now. See you next week”.

Victorious

Marko don’t be dense, so because it’s 3 games so far people shouldn’t lay down concerns of how it was so so easy for an average West Ham team to breach our defense,Take away the bashing of everything Wenger and you’re almost left with nothing meaningful as a poster.

Rambo Ramsey

Imagine the scenes if Usmanov takes over Chelsea.

Marko

Vic and I quote “team under Emery is worse than anything Wenger ever trotted out”. How about you don’t be so dense

Cesc Appeal

I think it is Jim Ratcliffe looking to takeover Chelsea, worth £21 Billion, so even worse than Usmanov

Cesc Appeal

Marko

Why give the attention? The things being said are deliberately and provocatively dense. Just don’t bother.

Pierre

The way I look at it is,Emery seems to put more credence into what players do off the ball than on the ball …if a player runs about and presses and closes down with intensity he is praised in the press conference .

I cannot remember wenger praising our play off the ball ,was always about quality on the ball and that is the fundamental difference between the two managers.

champagne charlie

Pierre

You can’t be talking about fundamental differences in the two managers already, Emery has been here for 8 minutes and barely registered more than a scratch of his testicles. Judge differences in Jan.

Wenger never praised anything off the ball because he didn’t pay any mind to it, and it was the fundamental reason we were so shit defensively under him in the latter years.

Dissenter

Paulinho
‘Not watching game, but deciphering comments I can conclude Ramsey is having a poor game but not hiding, still looking to be pro-active despite not playing well, leading to the possibility of him ONCE AGAIN scoring in the second half after getting slated.
Xhaka playing it safe as usual, doing nothing, but less risk less potential for fuck-up so he’s ‘playing okay’’

That’s exactly the reason why some of us keep banging on that Ramsey gets preferential treatment here.

Not watching the game…but….. LOL

Pierre

RRRamsey
“Hopefully with Torrerira and Guendouzi getting more minutes and acclimatizing to English football, you will be able to see actual midfielders at Arsenal doing actual midfield work.”

Never thought I’d see the day when you admit Ramsey ‘s faults.

Paulinho

Dissenter – If Ramsey stays fit and starts scoring and playing better you will do another 180 and start praising him. Happens every season with you.

You were slating him this time last season as well and piped down and started praising him near the end,and also tried to claim you never called him selfish at the start of last season, when you did.

champagne charlie

“If Ramsey stays fit and starts scoring and playing better you will do another 180 and start praising him. Happens every season with you”

Isn’t that how it goes? Play well, get praised….play shit, get canned?

Marko

Charlie with a perfect rebuttal to Pierre…

Paulinho

Charlie – No, Ramsey is still doing a lot of good things now. Which people always ignore when he’s not scoring, or playing the odd lax pass.

When he makes run and doesn’t score he’s indisciplined and ‘glory hunting’,when he scores he ‘timed it well, and picked his moment blah blah blah.

Paulinho

There’s also looking a the bigger picture and not going ape shit after one game.

So, Ramsey fans player of the year 2017/18.

Xhaka,laughing stock of the premiership award two years running.

Pierre

Charlie
That was the point \criticism I was making of Wenger…wasn’t praising him.

early days but Emery puts greater credence to what happens off the ball,especially in the attacking third but I would prefer to see him work off the ball in the defensive third….. .instead he appears to be working on the ball in the defensive third(sweeper keeper etc).

Marko

No, Ramsey is still doing a lot of good things now

I would honestly say he was as good as Xhaka in the second half and as poor in the first. Let’s just forget about him in the previous two games… sometimes I don’t think people realize that we have a serious problem in midfield we have shit midfielders. Plural not just one of Xhaka or Ramsey. Prior to West Ham our best midfielder was a 19 year old with little experience.

Victorious

Seems CA is another poster who will rather quickly sweep under the carpet the fact our current defense looks to concede in literally every attack from the opposition.
You don’t need to be dismissive or shameful in admitting the current defense has done nothing so far to give the impression there might be improvement from the shambles of the past, this is no teething issue,its generally the same players except sokratis who surprisingly has been decent enough , the lack of defensive organization is basically purely down to coaching ability,sorry.

Paulinho

Marko – Even in his ‘terrible’ first half he made a good run Ozil would never make.

Auba picked him out and Ramsey was denied by a great last-ditch tackle.

Point is, I couldn’t really give a shit about the game yesterday or last few.

If he stays fit, he will make comparisons with him and Xhaka as laughable as he did last season.

Liverpool and Chelsea fans were 50-50 on signing him, we all know they would be 100% against Xhaka.

champagne charlie

Paulinho

Care to humour me as to the good things Ramsey apparently does now? I’ve long said Ramsey is talented, but you’re waffling something rotten to come out and pretend he’s doing bits that simply aren’t getting appreciated.

How about this, name his redeeming qualities that don’t relate to his 3rd man runs into scoring positions. Rate him on the basis of a bog standard CM.

Marko

Even in his ‘terrible’ first half he made a good run Ozil would never make.

Would you class that as a good first half? Exactly.

Liverpool and Chelsea fans were 50-50 on signing him, we all know they would be 100% against Xhaka.

Can’t trust internet polls. He wouldn’t make either of their midfields.

Paulinho

Charlie – Ha ha. You’re desperate attempt to try and put words in my mouth failed, and you’ve resulted that tedious line of discussion.

It’s not my fault you can’t grasp the understated qualities the 2017/18 fans player of the season. Watch the game again. Educate yourself.

Paulinho

“How about this, name his redeeming qualities that don’t relate to his 3rd man runs into scoring positions”

Dear lord.

How about this, apart from the odd decent pass to spread play, name Xhaka’s redeeming qualities? Rate him on the basis of a bog standard CM.

champagne charlie

Paulinho

I’ve asked a question, not attributed anything to you. Is that what we’re doing now btw to defer any debate about a player we’re using random polls?

Oh look, the old “it’s not my fault you can’t see it” approach to avoiding a question.

How about you educate everyone on what Ramsey offers aside from 3rd man runs? Go on, loads to choose in such a recipient of esteemed praise. THE fans player of the year last year no less.

PessimisticPat

Your Comment Here

champagne charlie

More deflection…

What’s Xhaka got to do with you outlining Ramseys abundant qualities?

Paulinho

Charlie – I’ve been educating you on Ramsey(and Xhaka) for the last two years.

At some point you need to come to the realisation you and you’re lack of any footballing understanding is the problem.

champagne charlie

Go on, one more time… educate everyone as i’m sure one or two are curious what you rate so highly aside from Ramseys late runs?

that’s twice you’ve deferred..

Last chance before absolute conviction that you’re a shrivelled ballsack of a poster.

PessimisticPat

Trying to post a comment but it won’t work,any clues anyone,the page just keeps refreshing to the top

champagne charlie

Pat

You’re using a banned word most likely mate. Probably nothing crazy, some weird ones on the list.