I am x-rayed up and the good news is I am now at 80% recovery. That means I can do light weights and high-fives. I cannot do downward dogs, no idea what they are, but apparently, it’s harsh on my centrifugal forces.
In other news, Mikhi, is going hard at the doubters.
“Everyone has their own opinion. We know very well what we are playing for and how we have to play.
“If we are just going to kick the ball up front and wait for God to give us a chance to score, it’s not necessary.
“The only thing we have to do is to work hard, believe in ourselves and use the chances we create to score goals.”
I like his mindset. It’s interesting how many people are questioning whether he can play in the same side as Ozil. Matt on the pod went hard on this one. I’ve heard people say the same about Ozil and Ramsey as well. Then you start thinking about how sensitive the Ozil ecosystem has to be to function.
Remember last season when we were all purring over Ozil feeding Lacazette? Then that didn’t work out. Then we were all purring over Ozil and Auba, and that didn’t work out. I’m kind of getting a little bit worried about the German and his ability to function at Arsenal.
I see this season going one of two ways, he’s either going to click and make the magic happen, or he’s going to fade away like Wayne Bridge and Winston Bogarde did. The scene is set for a tap out. His rep has been soiled in Germany, he’s just landed a mega contract at Arsenal, his new manager is asking him to do things he’d rather not do. I hope I’m wrong and he comes back in from the cold, but it’s not looking good at this second.
Mustafi has given Bernd Leno the dreaded vote of confidence.
‘I know Bernd very well because we played together since the Under-15s German team, so I have known him for a long time,’ said the centre-back. ‘He is a brilliant goalkeeper. He has everything a modern keeper needs: good feet, good hands and he has personality.’
I really hope we haven’t made a shoddy signing there. To be honest, I’m more than happy to have Petr Cech creating absolute magic between the sticks at the minute. That’s a player who has fully embraced a new system, if he can do it at 36, Ozil can do some tracking at 29.
Jack Wilshere is saying Jack Wilshere things in the press.
“It’s down to me to prove a point to Arsenal that they were wrong to get rid of me,”
Think he’s said that at the start of the season for the last 5 years and never proved it out. The West Ham game isn’t about him, it’s about Arsenal dishing out a thumping and Emery proving out his methods. I really hope it’s a Pelligrini #disasterclass.
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Charlie come on. How many times over the years did we see Fergie’s teams outplay us? Come on now. They out footballed us on many occasions especially at old trafford. They changed the way they played against us when we were home like all good teams they change their tactics. Wenger rarely did that he played the same way at home and away hence the poor record at Old Trafford.
Victorious adults are talking fuck off
Out of 22 years Wengers team ‘Out footballed’ UTD for 3 seasons.
Wenger had a strategy, best back five in England would allow front six to play open, attractive football without defensive duties. Wenger did not do tactics, I remember Fergie said Arsenal were difficult to play specifically because we didn’t have a set system and opposing team had no idea where Henry, Bergkamp or Pires would be on field at any one moment. It went tits up for Wenger in past deacde because he no longer had best back five in England and he mostly refused to buy world class talent that had ability to play to his strategy of allowing… Read more »
V, you can take an argument down the path of bad tactics… because any sort of instruction can be classed a tactic. However, reality is, he didn’t really do them in the modern sense. He’s been outgunned for 14 years because coaches like Pep G took elite players and drilled them like underdogs with proper tactics.
Wenger couldn’t change a game from the bench, he rarely won doing anything interesting, we almost never tried to nullify opponents… that’s the argument.
“If this is correct then surely by giving the players licence to play with freedom and expression and problem solve for themselves then it was a very intelligent tactic…”” Intelligent tactic if you have a group of men who were drilled non-stop under the previous management and were self-motivated and lead by example on the pitch. It wasn’t really a tactic though, it was just Wenger being Wenger. He wasn’t capable of anything else. That’s why I’ve said continually since 2008 it was a freakish occurence; Wenger coming when he did, and what he inherited when he did come; a… Read more »
Marko
Take it up with the Nevilles, Scholes, and Fergie. I wasn’t interviewed for the documentary you spanner, I’m stating what was on the TV – none of it is my opinion. It’s THEIR account of things.
I remember Wenger saying it was silly to try and nullify Messi when we went to the Nou Camp.
He scored 4 times.
Messi, Drogba, Rooney all scored significantly against Arsenal.
Because we never put a plan (also known as tactics) to stop them.
Paulinho “Intelligent tactic if you have a group of men who were drilled non-stop under the previous management and were self-motivated and lead by example on the pitch. It wasn’t really a tactic though, it was just Wenger being Wenger. He wasn’t capable of anything else. That’s why I’ve said continually since 2008 it was a freakish occurence; Wenger coming when he did, and what he inherited when he did come; a group of players possessing the qualities and characteristics that he lacked as a coach and manager.” yeah, but then he did it again, and better, with a back… Read more »
Marko
” Anyone thinks we’re swapping Ramsey with months left on his contract for Martial with years left on his needs their head examined.”
Sanchez has also a few months left on his contract and Mkhitaryan has longer in his contract. Anyway, I am entitle to my opinion and you are entitle to yours. From now on, I’ll ignore all your posts and your insulting words.
Wenger was a huge idealist. SAF more a pragmatist. Idealism is fine if its steeped in some reality. Wenger had no reality- or he simply did not want to hear or give credence to his critics from outside and within the club. He was the messiah who did not listen. Who persisted with a sinking ship. The power make him intoxicated to a point of no return. Even now, he knows no life without football. I hope he does get a grip- was actually refreshing to hear him say that knows his quest ended up hurting a lot of people.… Read more »
To those who say Wenger doesn’t do tactics, do watch the 2005 FA cup final against United ….then come back and say the same with a straight face. That was one of the biggest smash and grab in FA cup history. They only way we won it was because of superior tactics (and luck). One has to separate Wenger’s reign into two halves. The former was a good as it possible could competing against Fergie. Any attempt to whittle down the success of the first decade is just plain silly. You don’t go through an entire season unbeaten without doing… Read more »
Paulinho ‘Wenger coming when he did, and what he inherited when he did come; a group of players possessing the qualities and characteristics that he lacked as a coach and manager.’ Pep had to buy best players for each position to win the league last season. So will you say he doesn’t have any tactical nous either as he couldn’t drill and prepare the squad left by Pelliagrini which still was a quality squad by the way? I mean if you look at the history of football, either the most gifted or ultra defensive teams won big trophies. So to… Read more »
Pretty sure Martial is also out of contract next summer.
Wallace – With a group of players that have said time and time again those players passed on the values of what it meant to play for Arsenal, so they had the same fire in the belly and intensity.
Also, Parlour and Keown were still there, playing as well still being on the training ground, and keeping the standards high in training and keeping the mix of Graham/Wenger alive.
It was when Parlour and Keown left that the dressing room went to shit and the ‘colney creche’ culture began.
Dissenter
One smash and grab doesn’t mean tactics are present.
Does this mean every time a lower league team wins against a PL team a tactical master class took place?
I wasn’t interviewed for the documentary you spanner, I’m stating what was on the TV – none of it is my opinion. It’s THEIR account of things.
Ah okay. Well still though you and I both know that the idea that United couldn’t out football us is ridiculous. Anyone we covered a lot today here today any comments on the embarrassing defeat after embarrassing defeat in the latter years cunt?
“” Anyone thinks we’re swapping Ramsey with months left on his contract for Martial with years left on his needs their head examined.””
Anyone writing a declarative statement without getting all the facts needs to have their heads examined.
United are set to lose Martial in 2019 for nothing.
Arsenal are set to lose Ramsey in 2019 for nothing.
Arsenal are actually set to lose more; Ramsey is premier league tested any may make the prospect of United losing Pogba next season easier to handle.
‘I remember Wenger saying it was silly to try and nullify Messi when we went to the Nou Camp.’
Pep said it was futile planning a strategy to stop Messi in his pre match conference for Barca-Bayern CL semi final and then Messi scored a brace to knock out Pep’s Bayern. Should we assume Pep doesn’t do any tactics either?
TR7 – Not the same thing at all. I’ve already said the fusion of Wenger and Graham qualities is what led to what we saw during that period. Wenger did a lot of good things, but it need the Graham aspects to prop it all up, otherwise it would’ve gotten ugly very quickly, which it nearly did when we lost to Blackburn 3-1 in Nov 97 and it led to crisis meeting amongst the old guard and the players Wenger brought in. There was no such comparable situation when Guardiola walked in. He just needed certain players with technical attributes… Read more »
@Marko
Yea, thats been covered. Fuck off and look for the responses on the other thread.
@gambon
Martials contract runs out in 2019 and United have an optional one year extension
That’s another thing if United did alter their approach when playing us how come Wenger didn’t spot it and change accordingly over the years? I mean can someone give us any examples of Wenger tactics? All I can think of right now is taking off an attacker when winning and bringing on another LB or if we’re chasing a game take off a defender and bring on a couple strikers.
Guardiola is simply a better manager.
Still not perfect though, as I’ve criticised him a lot myself for the way his philosophy and methods leave his teams vulnerable in the knockout scenarios.
Yea, thats been covered. Fuck off and look for the responses on the other thread.
Was it? I seem to just remember numpty number one saying extenuating circumstances.
Paulinho
I guess you are referring to stuff such as mental fortitude, desire to fight,leadership and discipline and on that I agree with you totally. But I don’t buy Wenger didn’t have a clue about tactics which some of the people here ( not you I presume ) claim to be the case.
Hereditary. Great film.
The only and only time Wenger did attempt tactics was in the 2005 FA Cup Final.
It was a shambles which left the team disjointed and Bergkamp isolated upfront.
The one and only time Wenger did attempt tactics was in the 2005 FA Cup Final.
It was a shambles which left the team disjointed and Bergkamp isolated upfron
TR7 – I don’t think it was his strong point. As Bamford said, he had a certain philosophy and I always got the impression Wenger thought delving too far into the tactical world would dilute and ultimately hinder his primary message of ‘playing our game’. It worked wonderfully with a group of players that had years of the opposite, but the flaws in it were clear for all to see when the squad were comprised 100% of Wenger developed players. I don’t think he was a dummy at all. He just was too far ingrained in his methods to adapt… Read more »
Champagne charlie
“This is correct, but only in as much as he had a vision for English tiki taka that he stubbornly refused to augment as per the needs of English football.”
Bollox, Wenger was one dimensional not stubborn.
Receding
I posted about 4 links from various players on the previous post saying Wenger wasnt tactically astute and defensive training was bssically non-existent (you cant be a tactician for midfield and attack because thats your favourite area and neglect the rest of the game). Thats not us saying that thats players thst have worked with him day in day out and they would know.
CC I posted earlier today that I would grade Wenger 8/10, based on his first ten years of management. I do not dispute he did great things to help make Arsenal into a top club. Tactics though was never his forte. He assembled a group of players who could do that for him and by making them fitter,stronger and healthier he was able to deliver an exhilerating product. He always followed the philosophy that he could outfootball the opposition. The problem was, without any leaders and winners on the pitch to make decisions for him, he was basically f####d. So… Read more »
Paulinho Again agree completely with everything you said but I can make the same argument for Mourinho,Klopp and Pep. Mourinho has only one ingrained idea of playing football and only one template to build a winning team – a physically strong striker, wingers who can run channels for 90 minutes tracking up and down and defenders who can put their body on the line. Give him Spain’s national team full of talented technical midgets of 2010 and he would find it difficult to take that team to QF, let alone win the world cup. He just would not know what… Read more »
Emery has made more tactical decisions(wrongly or rightly) in the past two games than Wenger made over the past ten years.
Ok, slight exaggeration, but you get the gist.
I’d recommend watching the Man city documentary, ‘All or nothing’ on Amazon.
‘You don’t go through an entire season unbeaten without doing
tactics.’
Who wanna contest that?
The tactical 100 pointer Pep must have desperately wished to achieve an unbeaten record last season……..no way.
The man Wenger was actually a fine manager for arsenal until he got too arrogant, always seeking to prove everyone wrong and himself right.
A fine manager who got arrogant!
He did tactics, but arrogantly focused almost everything on beautiful attacking football, and little on defending.
BUT HE DID TACTICS, to say otherwise is to say BULLSHIT!
Tactics require a tough and forceful approach from a coach who knows what he’s talking about.
This was never in Wenger’s make-up.
Wenger’ss lack of tactical awareness was the reason Arsenal were so abysmal in Europe during Wenger’s first 10 years in charge.
Tr7, like Wenger all the managers you mention will become irrelevant one day, they won’t be allowed a legacy job however.
We should probably be 2 managers on from Wenger now, would have been more healthy.
TR7 – Yeah, every manager has flaws but I think Wenger was the most flawed. Mourinho’s work at Inter was incredible. Managed to get a tune out of Sneijder when hardly anyone did before or since, and Milito morphed into a incredible number nine under his management. Their performance at Stamford Bridge in 2010 Champions League was one of the best performances I’ve seen in Europe in the last twenty years. On the front foot and had Chelsea penned in on their own ground. That performance has been forgotten due to the nature of the performance in the 2nd leg… Read more »
Stoke finding their level in the Championship.
Wonderful!
Could Mr Barton be proving his critics wrong at Fleetwood Town?
I can’t believe we bought that Kid Guen for just 8 mil.
Seeing that game against chelsea again, by the time the kid finds his flow(if he really finds it)he will be the best in that team.
And for £8 million.
Just barely enough to pay Ozil’s wages for the next six months!
Marko
Watching Heridatry now.
Arsenal fans are the dumbest in football. It was obvious as early as 1999 Wenger was tactically inept.
Jeez, why can’t people admit the obvious
Wenger was ahead of the pack in 1996.
Wenger was undoubtedly and unarguably a world class coach up to 2006-2008.
Then came the spiral.
The arrogant bastard that used to drive SAF became the pu**y who didn’t want to leave because he was afraid of retirement.
A world class coach who has never won a European trophy …..yeah right
..lol
Sanchez sold for 60m
Ozil allowed to leave on a free 18m wages (no fucker wanted to buy him)
Ramsey sold 30m
What could have been!
That’s 108m we could have had this season to soend on players and the team would have been no worse off without them.
No
Victorious
“Noticed how Bamford conveniently ignored this.”
I ignored it because Charlie was resorting there to what is called a straw-man argument. He does this a lot. No one ever said that all Wenger did was pick an XI, and thus no one need reply to Charlie’s claim that someone did.
Charlie is not only wrong, he’s dishonest.
But people who pay close attention knew this a long time ago.
I am not sure you can usefully apply the word ‘tactics’ when talking about Wenger. A better description might be ‘method’. I don’t recall him ever using the word himself. No doubt he did, if only to answer a direct question on tactics, but I don’t recall him ever doing so. It’s rather like asking a writer about the letters of the alphabet. He uses them naturally, instinctively, they are the tools of his trade, but it’s the words and sentences that mater. Of course he knew all there was to know about tactics, there hasn’t been anything fresh since… Read more »
Whatever one says, he can’t dispute the fact that Arsene kept the club in CL for 20 years. His last year was the worst and we are reaping the sh-t now. He was the one who made Arsenal a great brand worldwide. His problem was he was too arrogant a-l-a Mourinho and that brought about his downfall
englandsbest
I’m not buying your AKB’s bilge.
Wenger was a naive clown tactically.
Banford “I ignored it because Charlie was resorting there to what is called a straw-man argument. He does this a lot. No one ever said that all Wenger did was pick an XI” It was simply an alternate view of how your version of events sounds given widespread belief of another figure within football. Your god-awful attempt to discredit Wenger in his formative spell at Arsenal also discredits the competition he faced. Which when considered, is fucking laughable. As I stated, in your scenario Ferguson was bested to the championship on multiple occasions by a manager with no clue on… Read more »
Paulinho
“Guardiola is simply a better manager.Still not perfect though, as I’ve criticised him a lot myself for the way his philosophy and methods leave his teams vulnerable in the knockout scenarios.”
You’ve criticised Pep a lot yourself? Sorry but you got me there, I found that very funny, no offence intended.
Wenger absolutely did beat Ferguson without having a serious clue about tactics. He built a setup which was already beastly without the need for much tactically from the manager. Full credit to him for managing that. If wenger has been good on tactics as well however he’d have won more titles than he did and would have at least competed for the CL one or more times before the final campaign. I refuse to believe wenger magically changed from smart tactically to absolutely clueless in a few short years. He never was a tactically organized or smart coach. He built… Read more »
If he had been smart tactically we would have seen him change plans mid match.
Christ even the substitutes were demonstrably preplanned regardless of what was happening on the field.
Tactics were never Wenger’s biggest forte but he did implement a revolutionary 4-2-3-1/4-4-2 style during his successful years. There are many articles that talk about this.
Where he dropped the ball is when he became a purist somewhere down the line and doubled down when it was failing. The criticism only made him hold on stronger and led to his downfall.
His arrogance at the end where he was challenging critics and fans who have ‘never managed a game’ was sickening.
Mano agreed plus people saying he should have won more titles . We started dropping back once Roman came- Arsenal have never been major spenders and then the stadium came and we went back. Unfortunately during this time Arsene starting getting obstinate and trying to win things with average players.
One great flaw of Arsene has been his French socialist policy on wages – this has been his biggest defect that probably has forced us to retain players who we would have otherwise sold last and this year
well here’s me adding my though to last night’s debate. Wenger could have won the title or two after 2006. Only problem, he became more money/profit obsessed. He should not have sold Nasri to city, or hleb to barca, or RVP to man utd or even adebayor when he was on song. The thing is wenger himself dismantled the invincibles, that was his decision and he had a strategy, push youngsters and attempt to win the league with them. His post 2006 team got dismantled by money, he didn’t want to dismantle it but it did and this effected him.… Read more »
China
I think the more plausible logic is that Wenger understood tactics but his strategy was never about forming repetitive formulas.
I don’t think it is remotely feasible, even during the early years, that players just ran around randomly as part of their “training”. Or that the players held their own training while Wenger reads a book under the shade, occasionally standing up for the cameras.
@gonsterous, add that the famous Wenger ‘nearly signed’ again, all about money.
Strange that all the other top managers don’t suffer mass exodous of squads but players regularly rush to leave Arsenal.
They say people don’t leave company’s, they leave managers.
gonsterous No, the one we were truly reliant upon was Cazorla. Things went down hill after his injury. A perfect picture of the “what-might-have-been” years would be a midfield trio of Cazorla-Diaby double pivot and Rosicky at point. All supremely talented, all of the same generation but none fulfilling their promise. Wenger’s reliance on gifted players means that once they go, there is nothing to fall back on. The gap is too great for the fillers to stand in. We only needed to look at the Athletico friendly to see the worth in a drilled system was. Even the academy… Read more »
Wenger is gone!!
Let the old man enjoy a glass of water without a rant with his name!
*nearly signed list
tallestTiz
yes wenger is gone and the past can’t be changed. What’s that saying, if my aunt had balls, my uncle was a homo or something ?
The other mystery with AW and his players were thst they became more and more broken (due to his training methods?). Black Hi, you point at Diaby and Rosicky (a player that I really loved!) and I really agree with the what it could have been. Had they not been perennially injured they both would have been amazing to watch.
As for Cazorla, I also agree. The moment he became permanently crocked, we lost one hell of a player.
It is a shame that under AW, so many players would end up being injured so frequently
*that; Black Hei
Gons
The incessant discussion of Wenger-years always throw an air of pessimism.
Let’s be optimistic for the future, and support the new team in place.
When Fergie can write in his book that Wenger was easy to game-plan against then you know Wenger was not a tactical manager.
In Ozil’s defence. It occured to me that it’s hopeless to expect to get it both way with Ozil. If you ask him to run at guys across the front spaces in a pressing game, he will do it,he actually did it against Chelsea. But doing it will unsettle him so horribly that he might not find the calm to see a single pass in 90 minutes. Ozil was never delivering the Christmas packages, but he was our best man in finding a pass through defenders, if he can’t do that, he can’t be Ozil. And he can’t do that… Read more »
Another notion that shiiites all over “tactical Genius” Wenger was that did his tactics just disappear overnight? He just woke up one day and all of a sudden his “tactical nous” just vanished?
Coincidentally as soon as more competition entered the league? 😉
TR7 never rated Pep so you have to take what he says with a grain of salt. The ironic part is he trashes Mou for negative football but then also says Pep is overrated. lol
DB10
‘It is a shame that under AW, so many players would end up being injured so frequently’.
To be fair, that had a lot to do with us being in the CL every year with a comparatively thin squad.
Going away to play a team like spartak Moscow during the week followed by an away game at Stoke on the weekend.
You need to rotate.
Regarding Cazorla I always associate him with when Arsenal had already declined from a team capable of winning the league or having a chance to at least contest a CL final. I associate Cazorla with FA Cups on the level down from EPL and CL . Cazorla joined too late. The rot had already set in by the time he was signed. The team had to win one of the big trophies from 2007-2009. Eduardo leg break to mess up EPL title chance, capitulating to Liverpool at Anfield in the CL the following season after leading in that match. Then… Read more »
Cazorla joined the same season Persie left for Man Utd.
That really was the last insult and dagger in the heart for Arsenal Persie gone.
It topped off all that had gone on in recent previous seasons.
“In Ozil’s defence.”
Me I would say… erm… sorry, nothing comes to my mind.
“Manchester United fans have paid for a plane to fly an anti-Ed Woodward banner over Old Trafford.”
loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooolZ
Ishola70
Actually, we had 1 good roll of the dice. The 2014/2015 FA Cup final team was a title contender.
Unfortunately, in the most infuriating Arsene Wenger Arsenal way, they top the charts only for the CALENDAR year. and not the season.
Wenger did tactics, unfortunately he never changed them for certain opposition. Eventually tactics evolve over time like formations. And they were outdated in the end. Wenger played almost the same way in year 1 as he did in year 22. Don’t worry about the opposition just play your game. He started at 352 moved onto 442 then it was 433 and from there it never changed constantly trying to be Barcelona. As the years moved on, tactics, formations assistants, stayed the same. Saf adapted every few years to remain ahead of the curve. Two horse race became three then a… Read more »
Black Hei
“Actually, we had 1 good roll of the dice. The 2014/2015 FA Cup final team was a title contender.”
Any Arsenal side from 2009 onwards didn’t have the same level as the team did in that period 2007-2009.
The competitors themselves may have fluctuated though.
Arsenal’s defeat to Liverpool in the Champions League in 2008 was very damaging to the club. Not just the defeat but also the manner of it and Man City were just around the corner to emerge.
All real belief had gone by the time Adebayor, Nasri and Clichy were sold to Man City and Fabregas and Persie left.
This coupled with some very bad psychological results on the football field.
There was hope of course but the real belief had gone.
Fans had seen too many setbacks by then however much Wenger looked to rally at times.
Too many kicks in the bollocks and it takes time to recover and get up from this.
I have been reflecting about Arsenal’s record over the last 5 years under Wenger’s stewardship of the club and also the correlation between our spending power and that of other major clubs in EPL. There is no question that Arsenal’s overall performance in the League has been in decline initially because of a lack of staying power after Xmas, but in last two years a lack of balance in midfield and shoddy defending. Yet when you analyse our performance and compare it with other 5 clubs in top 6 in League you have to ask the question are we really… Read more »
He’s putting in Charity Shields as well.
Arsenal have out Charity Shielded Man City over the last few seasons.
Very notable.
Why would anyone put Charity Shields in trophy count to try to make or prove a point.
We hear football managers continually say their teams are not really ready for the season until a month or so into the proper season.
The Charity Shield is a glorified friendly.
Why not put in Emirates Cup wins as well.
Ishola Lol, he is buffing United’s numbers. But I disagree with your earlier post, slightly. The 2014/2015 team had a peak Sanchez, Ozil, Ramsey and Cazorla oil machine humming really well. You don’t beat Man City, United at OT etc by being fluky. It was good, just stupid timing. Personally for this AKB, it all fell apart at the very end when the same 2016/2017 FA Cup team that smashed Chelsea 2-1 for the final, got hammered 6-0 by Liverpool on the opening day. That performance was just so bland. The only personnel change was Mustafi for Big Per. It… Read more »
Ishola 70
Do you believe seriously that Man City and Guardiola did not want to win the
Community Shield and beat Chelsea?
It is a Domestic Trophy between EPL Title Holders and FA Cup Winners!!!
DO NOT FORGET THE EMIRATES CUP.
We boss that motherfucker.
ES
Whether they wanted to win it is irrelevant.
Teams are not up to scratch when the Charity Shield games are played.
No serious team is going to beat themselves up for failing to win a Charity Shield. Man City will be beating themselves up though if they fail to retain their EPL title.
What I am trying to point out is that Manchester United are in the same boat as
ourselves.
Chelsea, Spurs and Liverpool may have better teams than us at the moment but
for all the optimism about their prospects at start of this season I am willing to
wager that they will not win the Title.
Ishola 70
Clearly you did not see how Man City outplayed Chelsea in that match.
As I said the result was important to Guardiola even if it was not so to you.
A Charity Shield should never be included in honours. Only two teams ever compete so it’s a one off match where two teams who have already won something get to go again.
To argue that just because a team want to win the match means that it is an ‘honour’ is a very weak argument.
Same with the European Super Cup even if that has more prestige than a Charity Shield. There have been results in that cup where the EL winners turn over the CL winners. The underdog team wins. Do we see the favs in a European Super Cup match who get beaten slump on the floor at the final whistle followed by tears? No. Never. It’s a shrug of the shoulders because they recognise that the match and when it is played in the calendar is not life or death at all. Again they may want to win it but there is… Read more »
ES
“What I am trying to point out is that Manchester United are in the same boat as
ourselves.”
Yes Man Utd are not in a good spot just like Arsenal are not and they haven’t been for a good few years now.
But I always say on here just because a big club are failing this means that it’s ok that Arsenal are off the pace as well?
Should never be the case.
Counting CS as a trophy is fine by me but when we then see trophy counts including it we have to remember that all that glitters isn’t gold.
The CL is just one trophy too but it’s worth 10 FA cups in my book but both are valued the same on a total trophies count
Dont forget were still holders of the Mercantile Credit cup folks
Black hei I do like the imagery you conjure up of wenger lying in a hammock with a Long Island ice tea and a copy of pride and prejudice gently swaying in the Colney breeze
You know I’d actually forgive wenger for everything if he’d been ballsy enough to do it that way LOL
Discount the Community Shield. It still does not alter the point I am making which is that only 2 of the top 4 major clubs have won the EPL Title in last 5 years and just 4 clubs have won a domestic trophy of any description.
Even in absence of De Bruyne for several months Man City are still well ahead
of the rest of field. Can you see Liverpool and Spurs dominating League in absence of Salah and Kane?