The end of Arsenal football club

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So here we are people, the end of Arsenal football club as we know it. Silent Stan Kroenke, the evilest man to walk a sports arena, has finally won out. He’s part way to driving out the white knight, Alisher Usmanov, for a whopping £600m buyout of his stake.

This is a dark day for Arsenal.

I mean, kind of.

This dramatic notion that the world is caving in because Stan K is buying up the rest of Arsenal is a little far-fetched. The morbid picture that has been painted is based on a lot of worst case scenarios.

Sure, there could be less transparency around the club, but at the same time, you have to remember a lot of the fan interaction items that were put on were out of generosity, versus some sort of legal obligation. Our family has a share, I went to most of the AGMs before I moved to America, let’s not pretend for a  second you extracted any sort of real insight from those days out. Sir Chips or Peter Hillwood would usually insult the intelligence of the peasant folk, Ivan would tell us not to believe our lying eyes, and Stan would rarely say anything. It wasn’t true governance because the fans had no real power. Not just that, Arsenal offered up additional seats for people at various fan groups because they were being nice. The club has always pushed to be as open as possible. Ivan G has sat through a lot of fan Q&As, the club has opened up its facilities for meet and greets with the staff, we have a lot of access.

I appreciate there’s a lot of love for fans owning a stake. The romantic scenes in Germany and at some clubs in Spain where the fans own the clubs in some way tugs at the heart strings. Representation at board level is a beautiful thing, and there’s no doubt that the good folk at the AST, Red Action, Black Scarf and AISA have done a lot of good in driving fan agenda items like flags at games, ticket price freezes, safe standing, and pushing Wenger to take the League Cup a little more seriously. All marvellous things.

I don’t think those things suddenly go away. If a new CEO comes in, hopefully from another football club, do you think their first move is going to be to cut fans out? I doubt it. We’re important. Why do you think Ivan has been so keen to make the transformation at Arsenal about him? He reads the internet, he hears your hot takes from you at Waitrose, he wants fans in the stadium to shout things like, ‘bloody good transition old boy’, not, ‘HOW DID YOU FUCK UP ALONSO YOU STUPID MUG HE WAS IN THE CAR.’

Usmanov stands to make a heck of a profit, there’s a lot of sadness David Dein (Arsenal’s David Cameron) jumped the gun with Kroenke, because everything would have looked a whole lot more Chelsea right now. Again though, let’s not pretend he was always the favoured oligarch to takeover. David Dein sold out in the hope of leading the club, he managed to get himself fired in the process, then flogged his shares to Usmanov in the hope that Red&White holdings would do something to elevate the club and give the manager the transfer fees he needed.

He was pilloried for that. The fans, the blogs, everyone was against a businessman that apparently did something to someone where a vat of acid was involved. Everyone hated the fact a nasty Uzbek was coming to the party. We liked the cute cowboy hat and understated humbleness of Stan K. We liked the one who ran a ‘proper’ business. Years later, we realised Stan knew how to run a business (a real estate business), but one that lacked any sort of a ambition to dominate.

The biggest disappointment about how folk like David Dein, Danny Fizsman and Nina B sold the club out, is that they moved it on to a company that looked at incremental growth over a 20 years period. Stan K makes his money with the looooooong bets. He’ll invest in property where he knows a big Walmart is going and sit on that property in the hope it blows up over the 20-year stretch. He’s not wolf on wall street. He’s not about the quick buck.

Arsenal for him has been a quite incredible investment. His original purchase of the club, when all the blocks are added sits at about £424m. The club has gone from tinpot entity at Highbury, to £1.8b monster if he buys out Alisher. He doesn’t get returns like that anywhere else. Arsenal is the equivalent of striking oil on one of his ranches 200 years ago. We are the absolute GEM for him.

So what are the main concerns?

Well, he’s taking a loan out to buy out the remaining 30%. How does he pay for that loan? It certainly won’t be out of his own pocket. He can’t do a leveraged buyout like the Glazers dropped on United (take out a loan on the club to buy the club, then use the fans to pay and club profit to pay it off), but he has a number of options to pay it off, and now he has an opaque setup he can hide the details in. His Delaware dealings, well covered by the excellent Matt Scott over the years, are murkier than a night out with Jermaine Pennant.

Putting that to one side, not a lot changes.

For you, as a fan, we’ll still be a club that’s run sensibly. We’re never going to behave aggressively in the transfer market. We’re never going to break FFP rules. The club has been built to operate under its own steam and I’d imagine that’s what it’ll do moving forward. Arsenal is boring, but remember, we’re a club that can offer up a lot of steam. We generate massive match day receipts, our commercials are moving in the right direction, and there’s huge potential at the club.

My hope is if Stan has learnt anything over the last few years, it’s that neglecting a Premier League football club by not investing in capable talent is a sure fire way to lose money on your bottom line. I know the top folk at Arsenal are embarrassed they’re not in th CL. That’s a big deal. I’m hoping that Stan is realizing first hand that running a football club is not like running a franchise. The fans are crazier, the cost of being shite is greater, the difficulty getting back to the top is harder, and not investing cash in players is elite players is an absolute fools game with a market so flush with money.

Look at the positives. We’re all happy with the backroom hires. We’re all happy with the reshaping of the squad. We’re all happy with the general direction of the club.

Stan owning another 30% makes no difference to that direction. It’s just a feelings thing. It’s just a ‘what could happen’ panic button everyone is pushing. For me, you can worry about the implications of the ‘what if’ when you’re watching the institutions of democracy being attacked. You never know who is coming in next and it’s a constant rotation of power. Stan K is going to be here for 30 more years. We’re going to be the most consistently run outfit in world sport, it’ll just be dull.

So let’s not be dramatic. Arsenal is the star in Stan’s portfolio. For him to grow that star, he has to have a competitive team. For all the major owners to move TV revenue to the next level, they have to continue to invest in the product. We’ve been doing that, our wages bill is £200m+ and we were the 3rd highest net spender in the league over the last 5 years and we’ve outspent Madrid from a net perspective since 2010. Stan needs a competitive Arsenal, so nothing is going to change on that front, the club will move on without Alisher, it’ll move on without Gazidis who has chosen to ply his trade with Milan, and it’ll move on without fans being literally invested in the club.

It’s a bland set of circumstances, but let’s not kid ourselves anyone has the best option. No ownership of a football club is romantic or ideal. Every club comes with its visa issues. Our biggest worry is that Stan is a bit boring. But overall, bar the love-in for Wenger that went on far too long, the club is pretty well run and it’s moving in the right direction.

It’s a sad day for shareholders who have to sell up, but it’s also a massive payday for them.

Stan is a safe businessman, and he’ll always be that way. The only way Arsenal make it moving forward is having the best football staff in the game, working budgets harder, and working our players smarter than anyone else.

It’s always been a struggle being an Arsenal fan, and it always will be. Let’s just enjoy the ride. x

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  1. Bamford10

    Massive overreaction on the news about Kroenke.

    One, all footballing decisions are made by our now modern set-up (Director of Football, Manager, CEO); the owner has no input in any of this, is hands off.

    Two, the club’s spending is determined by the men above, in accordance with the self-sufficiency model; the owner has little to no input in this as well, is hands off.

    Was Emery a good hire? Yes. That happened under Kroenke. Was Mislintat? Yes. Was Sanllehi? Yes. Did we break with the old dinosaur and his I-do-everything model under Stan? Yes.

    Relax. Even if Stan doesn’t care all that much if we compete for titles, even if he didn’t really mean the following — ‘my ambition is to see [Arsenal] competing consistently to win the Premier League and the Champions League’ — the men who actually run the club do care about these things, and the self-sufficiency model gives them ample resources to compete.

  2. Bamford10

    And Kroenke was not “complicit” in Wenger’s various idiocies: Wenger did all of that on his own. Yes, Kroenke placed faith in Wenger — and did so for entirely too long — but so too did “big” footballing brains like Champagne Charlie. Kroenke at least has the excuse that he knows nothing about football; what excuse does a Charlie or an Alexanderhenry have?

    Regardless, Kroenke has also overseen Wenger’s dismissal and his replacement with a smart, modern structure; he has overseen the hiring of Sanllehi, Mislintat and Emery. So clearly he can make good decisions — it’s just a shame that it took us/him so long to make these decisions. Of course, if Stan had listened to Le Grove years ago, these decisions WOULD HAVE BEEN TAKEN years ago.

    Have a good day, all.

  3. Ishola70

    Oh no the comic book bogeyman has full reins now.

    Not to worry though.

    I’m sure he will continue to oversee Arsenal run “sensibly”.

  4. alexanderhenry

    Pedro

    ‘Look at the positives. We’re all happy with the backroom hires.

    Well, we’re happy with the backroom hires in theory. They’ve got to prove themselves.

    ‘We’re all happy with the reshaping of the squad. We’re all happy with the general direction of the club.’

    Are we? I haven’t seen anything spectacular yet. The ‘general direction’ of the club has been backwards for the past ten years.

  5. raptora

    Yup, very balanced view on things.
    Certainly today’s news could be a bad news.
    Certainly today’s news could be a good news.

    Or it could be a nothing news.

  6. Ishola70

    Not backwards. Treading water.

    This was the problem.

    All of the club were content to stay at a certain level as long as it was generating money and there was no real urge to kick on from that. Too much contentment. This also included enough of the fanbase.

    Sit on your hands for too long you will be overtaken.

  7. alexanderhenry

    Pedro

    ‘The only way Arsenal make it moving forward is having the best football staff in the game, working budgets harder, and working our players smarter than anyone else.’

    So, what you’re saying is that Arsenal will never have the best players, or even close, but for some reason you think that we now have a back room staff and a manager capable of challenging because they’re better at football tactics and player management.

    That’s some leap of faith Pedro. It’s like you’re trying to long jump across the grand canyon.

  8. Jamie

    Dissenter August 7, 2018 13:17:42
    Jamie
    Yea right.
    I bet you were saying the same nonsense when Sheik Mansour bought City in 2008
    “ Arsenal? Get fucked. The last time they won anything was 39 years ago (FA Cup in 1969). Joke post.”
    I amended that post for you.Some people never learn from history. You’ve seen the same story repeat itself with Chelsea and City, yet you still throw out some good old Arsenal values.

    City had a new stadium. Everton need a new stadium. False equivalence. City were already 500m up when the Sheikh arrived on the scene, and they still struggle to fill their stadium on match days despite all their sustained recent domestic success.

    It will take a net spend of over £1.5 billion to get Everton a new home and to compete for a league title. There is no evidence to suggest they have “leap frogged” over any other club, let alone over Arsenal. Neither have Spurs, for that matter. A couple of top 4 finishes doesn’t make a footballing powerhouse.

    We have something in the order of 3 x the number of global fans Everton and Spurs have combined. They’re small clubs, and not the even largest in their respective cities.

  9. Receding Hairline

    Jay Rodriguez for 18m pounds to Burnley is being mooted.

    I just hope the fee for Perez is not less than the 10m suggested and that if indeed Welbeck is to be sold it should be for no less that 25m pounds

  10. Pedro

    Alex, you gotta give it up mate. Your view that Stan was a bigger problem than Wenger has been obliterated.

    In 8 months, the club has been totally renovated. You can’t carry on with the nonsense.

    We have a bigger net spend than Madrid since 2010
    Our wage bill is £200m+
    We’re 3rd highest net spenders in the league

    Since Wenger has gone, we shifted nearly ALL the deadwood, despite people like you saying it was impossible
    We got all our business done early
    We installed a new spine
    We identified weaknesses and improved them

    You have to stop pushing and changing your view to suit a failing narrative.

  11. Marko

    We shall see with a lot of things to do with Arsenal now. I suppose it’s better than knowing what was going to happen

  12. Champagne charlie

    “Since Wenger has gone, we shifted nearly ALL the deadwood, despite people like you saying it was impossible“

    I’d have a scan at the landscape on here more regularly as this has been a more recent criticism of Arsenal in comparison to West Ham and Fulham’s spending.

  13. Marko

    Since Wenger has gone, we shifted nearly ALL the deadwood, despite people like you saying it was impossible
    We got all our business done early
    We installed a new spine
    We identified weaknesses and improved them

    Eh… everything else was spot on though. We’ve made two good signings in areas we needed to improve this summer in Leno and Torreira. I suppose you could count Auba as part of the spine. Still lacking that defender though

  14. Ishola70

    AH

    As someone else pointed out Stan has had control of the club on 70% previously anyway. Usmanov has just been kicked out of the way as a bit of a nuisance no more than that.

    But you can continue to fixate on Stan and this earth shattering news if you so wish of course.

  15. Champagne charlie

    Banford

    Back without a twitter handle and eulogy? Same half baked nonsense I see, hooray.

    Deflecting blame from Kroenke and simultaneously giving the owner of a football club a pass for “not knowing anything about football”… brilliant analysis

    One yank twat in stark defence of another.

  16. alan B'stard M P

    Why does it matter to you? It is not a club, but a privately owned business and your opinions don;t hold legal water, Not your money

    This is why NO football club should be privately owned. If it was publicly owned, we could throw the buggers out at board elections

  17. Leftsidesanch

    I read that Gazidis has to give a years notice if he is taking up another post, could he just be angling for stronger renewed terms?

  18. Marko

    We haven’t shifted on nearly all of the dead wood and for me the comparison to West Ham and Fulham was in reference to this idea that two years out of the champions league and all we have is 70 million and that’s all that we have and we have to shop in the bargain bin for a defender before the window closes while a club like West Ham are spending over 100 million this transfer window. It’s thick as fuck. But sure self sufficient and all that

  19. TR7

    ‘We have a bigger net spend than Madrid since 2010
    Our wage bill is £200m+
    We’re 3rd highest net spenders in the leagueSince Wenger has gone, we shifted nearly ALL the deadwood, despite people like you saying it was impossible
    We got all our business done early
    We installed a new spine
    We identified weaknesses and improved them’

    Madrid team is full of superstars. All they do is sell one superstar for great money and replace him with another. Really false comparison given we are long way off where we should be personnel wise.

    As for deadwood, let’s be honest our team is still rank average. Iwobi, Xhaka, Mustafi have been given new contracts and we have signed Licht, Sokratis etc who are average players. United,City,Liverpool,Spurs and Chelsea all have better teams than us.

  20. raptora

    I mean we could spend a lot more not NET but if we sell Perez, Welbeck and Campbell for ~30-35m and buy a winger for 40m in say Bailey or Malcom for even less like 31m was a real option, or someone similar. Then sell Chambers, Elneny and get a Manolas for 30m. Easy peasy.

    That’s not even counting the eventual sale of Ramsey and how we could have went balls deep for a Kovacic.

    Add Bailey, Manolas and Kovacic to our current starting 11 and we kind of look a bit better. For marginal NET spending above the 70m we’ve already spent.

  21. Michael24

    alexanderhenry

    It seems you don’t realise how bad things were under Wenger?

    Who’s talking about “trying to long jump across the Grand canyon?”

    I’ll make do with Cheddar Gorge for the time being.

    No sweat.

  22. Marc

    Can we please stop this “self sustaining” talk as if it’s some sort of dirty word and will lead to the end of not only Arsenal but the Universe itself. Outside of City and PSG can anyone name a club in Europe that doesn’t run on a self sustaining model?

    Madrid used to be subsidised by the Spanish government but I don’t know if that still goes on – everyone ManU even Chelsea now operate by spending what they earn.

  23. Cesc Appeal

    There are some rumours from Spain that Arsenal want to give Barcelona £9 Million for a Dembele loan now with an obligation to buy at around £80 Million for next summer.

    Interesting.

  24. Michael24

    “A dreadful day for Arsenal FC” according to the AST.

    Lol!

    What a super effective and influential body of people they are.

  25. raptora

    CA,
    It’s on BBC.

    15:25
    Arsenal keen on Dembele

    Arsenal are reportedly looking to sign Barcelona’s Ousmane Dembele before the English transfer deadline on Thursday.

    According to Mundo Deportivo, the Spanish side are willing to cash in on the Frenchmen.

    Unai Emery is keen to strengthen his attacking options at The Emirates and Arsenal will reportedly pay Barca €10m to take the World Cup winner on loan, ahead of a potential permanent deal next summer.

    Dembele was pictured with a number of Arsenal players in a social media post last week, including Pierre Emerick Aubameyang and Henrikh Mkhitaryan.

  26. Ishola70

    Is he a bit over-rated this Bailey Raptora? Since when have there been world class Jamaican players.

    Remember having a discussion about Malcom v Bailey and saying that Malcom was the one.

    Well one of the biggest teams around has acquired Malcom while Bailey still resides at Bayer Muncherkusen.

  27. Marc

    Cesc

    Please make it happen!

    Not only do we get a very good player, it’ll not only send a positive vibe through the club now but by committing to a huge fee it means we’re serious going forward.

  28. raptora

    Lol, now that Graham has spoke about it.

    “Stan Kroenke taking the club private will see the end of supporters owning shares in Arsenal and their role upholding custodianship values,” said an AST statement.
    “The most dreadful part of this announcement is the news that Kroenke plans to forcibly purchase the shares held by Arsenal fans. Many of these fans are AST members and hold their shares not for value but as custodians who care for the future of the club.”

    Like they helped so much taking care of our club by helping in the removal of Wenger. If they didn’t do jack shit about Wenger stinking the place then what type of custodianship are they talking about?! It’s just not serious.

  29. Ishola70

    AST members do fvck all.

    Most of them in awe at the establishment and feel a little part of the establishment with their paltry shares.

  30. raptora

    Ishola70,
    I don’t know man. Haven’t seen a single game of Bailey or Malcom I just know that they fit the needed requirements as basic skills and stats/goals and assists. People who do that for a living at Arsenal have the answers, but they are somewhat not doing anything about it.

    Hopefully we’ve stayed away of the lesser wingers, so that we can buy the best winger/wide forward in the market – Ousmane Dembele.

  31. qna

    We aren’t getting Dembele. Spanish click bait as the source. Best case Barca are putting out noises to get a buyer willing to pay €100m for him. We aren’t going to do that and he isn’t worth that.

  32. Micheal

    Pedro: I normally agree with your general assessments, but this is very poor judgement.

    Kroenke is just another greedy businessman who wants to make money and hide his dealings from the prying eyes of the media, the regulatory authorities and the general public. History is littered with Sleazy Stan’s.

    Taking the club private is in the interests of only one person – Sleazy Stan. Who will be watching if he wants to asset strip the club by, for example, selling the stadium or training ground ? Or paying himself a £50m “dividend” for being such a nice, kind Sleazy businessman ? Or levering the club’s assets to fund his greed on projects in Trumpland ?

    We know that Stan has never put a penny into Arsenal and he is on record as saying he did not buy the club to win trophies.

    What happens now when Stan takes us private, hides his greed behind by some tax haven and “light touch” regulation ? This is not about whether Chips answered questions at the AGM, for fucks sake. It is about publishing accurate financial information through the proper channels and being held accountable by the media, public, etc.

    Someone once said that everyone is entitled to an opinion but no one is entitled to the facts.

    Greeedy bastards like Sleazy Stan like to operate in the shadows where people cannot see what they are up to. Read your history, Pedro.

    This is a black, black day for OUR club.

  33. Leftsidesanch

    Such little time to get a deal for Dembele over the line, it doesn’t help with the picture last week and these rumours to get peoples appetites soaring through the roof. What was the use of that photo at that time, knowing the unrealistic hopes/expectations it would drum up?

  34. raptora

    Well as things stand, not having a single winger/wide forward, or a very good CB, we will be extremely fortunate to finish in top 4. I see Europa as the much better chance to secure us a UCL place.

  35. Ishola70

    Why are the AST members acting all surprised,

    This move from 70% to 100% from Stan has been on the cards for ages. Like inevitable.

    And would bet some of those AST members complaining today were in full agreement or even putting out themselves the cold shouldering of the ugly slug Uzbek as he was termed by enough fans back in the day.

    I expect ES to be happy about today’s news though. The loathsome Uzbek has been banished now.

  36. Marc

    Micheal

    You really sound like another bitter little leftist who mouths off about everything and knows nothing. Are there risks with Kroenke getting full control yes but you talk about financial disclosure and publishing accurate financial information Arsenal will still have to publish audited accounts that will show what’s going on. If the club is making payments to cover loan repayments it’ll be shown and if Kroenke awards himself a £50 million dividend again it will be shown in the accounts.

  37. adrian

    Its not the end of arsenal, but it is going private like Chelsea. It just means that ‘Silent Stan’ does not have to accountable to supporters. He can now use the finance generated by the club in supporting his wider sports empire. Fans have a choice they don’t have to give the club any money, if they choose not to.

  38. Micheal

    Marc

    Sleazy Stan domiciles his businesses in American states like Dewaware, which has minimal accountability and disclosure.

    Sorry this sounds like someone who knows what they are talking about.

  39. Realist

    Absolutely amazing. This site spent years saying Wenger was the problem and couldn’t wait to force him out of the door. But wait, apparently it’s Kroenke that’s the problem! Or is it just that you people just need to have something to moan about. “Supporters”, the clue is in the name. Support the bloody club and stop bloody whinging all the time.

  40. englandsbest

    Hey, maybe Stan will ride in on a white Cadillac and save the day?

    It’s okay, I am only kidding. This is a dreadful day, very likely the worst in Arsenal’s history.

    I hope past experience of Stan has taught us how to deal with him:

    (a) Never believe a word Stan (or KSE) say, nor any promises they make.

    (b) The ultimate power lies with us, the fans. No Fans = No Club

    We should be proactive:

    The season tickets should set up an Association of Season Ticket Holders (a substitute for AST, if you like)

    If Stan does something of which they do not approve (like leverage of his £557m debt onto the Club) they should boycott the Club.

    Two or three games to an empty stadium will bring the monster to heel.

  41. Marko

    Can we please stop this “self sustaining” talk as if it’s some sort of dirty word and will lead to the end of not only Arsenal but the Universe itself. Outside of City and PSG can anyone name a club in Europe that doesn’t run on a self sustaining model?

    Exactly Marc. We don’t need Stan to be a sugar daddy

  42. gambon

    Michael,

    Was “sleazy Stan” operating in the shadows when he did the following:

    – Gave the go ahead for Mesut Ozil to be the 2nd highest paid PL player at £350k pw?
    – Signed 2 x £50m strikers?
    – Hired a huge new team including a new head coach, 5 new coaches, new Director of Football, new Head of Scouting, New Director or Performance, new Director of Football Development, new Physios, new Academy Head, new U23 Manager, New Contract specialist?
    – Ploughed £40m into new upgraded training facilities and academy?
    – Invested millions into adding 1000 new seats at the Emirates?

    Not very good at “Operating in the shadows” is he?

    As Marc says, bitter leftist who probably thinks all the money from football should be taxed and invested into feminist vegan festivals.

  43. loyika

    Lolz at Pedders

    Guess there will be alot of “Narrative Swingers” this season.

    Are the majority of Arsenal fans happy with the business that has been done this season? NO!! Don’t think so (hence my non involvement in the transfer window discussions and Pre-Season games)

    However I believe many are (and have always been) realistic that even change doesn’t bring success overnight (and were not moved with the – Once Wenger goes we will see and do this and that)

    The contract situation with some players is still evident of this (Rambo and some our purchases frankly leaves much to be desired).

    Where every Arsenal Fan can find agreement in is the fact that we are in a new era and regardless of if one is pessimistic or optimistic for the season and seasons ahead, it feels somewhat good (and scary in a good kind of way) in wanting to see what the future holds.

    Once that whistle blows over the weekend, everything will and should be put aside to support the lads against Citeh and then against the Chavs in the next fixture. I believe everyone will give Emery a chance and will want and be happy if he succeeds (regardless of one’s feeling towards the last Gaffer) Same way folks were not happy when GG was kicked out and the changes that led to AW taking over eventually from Bruce Rioch (who did a good job holding forth) .

    I for one will choose to enjoy the season regardless of what is thrown up (will still moan and groan once in a while)

    However I will say though that SK taking full ownership of Arsenal FC (if/when it happens) is a sad day for the club (and this is something that would eventually have happened regardless).

    At the moment that’s just my honest opinion and how I feel (and no amount of spin from Pedro can convince me otherwise for now) Lets see where we go too as a club from here.

    Looking forward to the Friday and the new season. COYGs!!

  44. gambon

    One year loan with obligation to buy Dembele would make perfect sense.

    Next summer we would buy Dembele & a left back……all other purchases would be funded from sales.

    Still dont believe its happening though. Doubt we have been interested at all.

  45. InsideRight

    I don’t think any of the add ons for Dembele have been triggered yet. So the outlay when they bought him was around £80m
    If it’s true we’re offering that sum for next season with another £10m this season for the loan and taking him off their wage bill, it wouldn’t be bad business for them.

  46. Micheal

    Gambon. Sorry, mate, but you are missing the point. What happened has happened. I am talking about what is likely to happen when he takes the club private iand is no longer accountable.

  47. Pedro

    Michael, football is about business. I’ve not misread the situation, the game is about billionaires. Ours isn’t that bad.

  48. alexanderhenry

    Pedro

    ‘Alex, you gotta give it up mate. Your view that Stan was a bigger problem than Wenger has been obliterated.’

    More like a different problem and more important because managers come and go whereas owners don’t.
    If we don’t improve it supports that view.

    ‘In 8 months, the club has been totally renovated. You can’t carry on with the nonsense.’

    Unless we improve on the pitch it’s meaningless. Fans aren’t going to sit there if we’re still shit and say: ‘well at least the club has been ‘totally renovated’.

    ‘We have a bigger net spend than Madrid since 2010
    Our wage bill is £200m+
    We’re 3rd highest net spenders in the league’

    Cool, let’s see if it continues.

    ‘Since Wenger has gone, we shifted nearly ALL the deadwood, despite people like you saying it was impossible
    We got all our business done early
    We installed a new spine’.

    Far from all of it. there’s still a lot floating around. I expect more departures.
    Yes, we signed players early which is welcome but if they turn out to be duds fans aren’t going to sit around saying:’ well at least we bought them early, so I don’t mind’.

    ‘We identified weaknesses and improved them’.

    We just don’t know yet. The defence looks weak. You agree with that yourself.

    ‘You have to stop pushing and changing your view to suit a failing narrative.’

    With all due respect Pedro, apart from ‘wenger out’ your views have as much consistency as a second half of a Mesut Ozil season.

    Initially you were hugely disappointed with Emery’s appointment. Also you’ve posted numerous anti Kroenke articales in the past. Now it’s all ok.

    Look, I don’t want to be the party pooper on here. I’m looking forward to next season. There are promising signs, but I actually have no idea how arsenal are going to do.

    Well, I hope.

    Regarding Kroenke, unless he does something to change my mind, my opinion won’t change.

  49. gambon

    Michael,

    You think he has authorised £350m of spending in 5 years, £40m of infrastructure spending, a £200m wage bill and £350k pw salary because he’s worried the AST wont be happy with him?

    Lol.

  50. Pedro

    He’s never dropped someone in a vat of acid
    He’s not guilty of human rights abuses
    He’s not had his visa revoked by the UK government
    He’s not actively taking money out of the club
    He’s overly loyal to managers
    He doesn’t interfere
    He lets the manager spend what we have
    Our wage bill is £200m+
    He invests in infrastructure

    He’s not the best, but he’s hardly a farce

  51. Cesc Appeal

    Marc

    Fingers crossed.

    That would make sense for everyone.

    I think that Barcelona have paid £96 Million for Dembele and would have to pay another £30-40 Million if certain conditions are met which they would be keen to get out of.

    Arsenal buying him for about £90 Million then is probably acceptable to Barcelona as basically recouping all the money they paid.

    As Gambon says, next summer you would see Dembele purchased and then a LB most likely with any more buys being completed by the sales of players like Iwobi, Xhaka etc if they don’t perform but hopefully have raised their value a little.

  52. Ishola70

    He’s a monster says englandsbest.

    Let’s hope this new supporters set-up you speak of has more influence than the AST.

  53. Pedro

    Alex, you are full on party pooper.

    The club are pushing forward.

    I find Emery uninspiring, but I’m giving him a chance. That’s just being a fan. You gave Wenger 10 years and you’re still making excuses for him

  54. raptora

    Realist:
    “Absolutely amazing. This site spent years saying Wenger was the problem and couldn’t wait to force him out of the door. But wait, apparently it’s Kroenke that’s the problem! Or is it just that you people just need to have something to moan about. “Supporters”, the clue is in the name. Support the bloody club and stop bloody whinging all the time.”

    Good advice. Cannot help but notice that it’s mostly the ex AKB’s who are devastated about today’s horror news. They still think the reason behind the failures of their God was Kroenke and not the steady declining of Wenger.

    This quote by alexanderhenry re self-sufficient model sums it up very well:
    “They’re Stan’s values and the values of the previous board members who sold their shares to him.”

    No mention of Wenger who was the LOUDEST defender of the so-called Arsenal values and model.

    I cannot imagine the horror at untold.

  55. Dissenter

    Bamford
    How are you doing
    “And Kroenke was not “complicit” in Wenger’s various idiocies:

    Yes he wasn’t complicit, being complicit connotes that that they shared blame.
    He owned Wenger’s idiocies 100% since he alone kept him on even though it was clear that “the next level is the next level”.
    Kroenke shares a special place in the blame game – he enabled Wenger to the extent that he was untouchable.

  56. Gunner2301

    Pedro. Great post!

    I do have sympathy for those supporters who hold shares who may have had them handed down or intended to keep them in the family passing on to kids and so forth. I would be totally pissed off right now despite the windfall in share price i assume the majority didnt get into owing shares for the money.

    But the reality is the rules prevail and Kroenke will be able to do what he wants, which is the right of anyone who owns 100% of something. As others have said if he turns out to drag the club down the fans just need to stay away that is the onky weapon left to them now and the only ootion they have to get rid of him.

    Maybe this will make the fans a bit more proactive and organised as they had been pretty docile and lethargic in getting Wenger out. Because that will not work with Kroenke hes in it for the long haul unless the fans can show him otherwise.

  57. raptora

    alexanderhenry: “Regarding Kroenke, unless he does something to change my mind, my opinion won’t change.”

    Kroenke DID the best thing that he could have ever done – sacking Wenger. Your opinion should have changed back then.

  58. Micheal

    “You think he has authorised £350m of spending in 5 years, £40m of infrastructure spending, a £200m wage bill and £350k pw salary because he’s worried the AST wont be happy with him?

    Lol.”

    Kroenke has not put a bean into Arsenal. All the spending on wages, transfers, etc has come from wthin the funds generated by the club. He has taken very little out of the club in the years and when he did, it was visible to us all.

    This will not be the case in future.

  59. UTarse

    Marc,
    “Arsenal will still have to publish audited accounts that will show what’s going on”

    Stick to what you know rather than making inaccurate statements like this.

  60. alexanderhenry

    Weird, it didn’t go on. I tried to paste it but it says ‘duplicate comment’.
    Can’t be bothered to rewrite it.

    Anyway, nevermind.

    Here’s a less detailed reply:
    Needless to say I disagree with you on this. Nothing’s been proven until we improve.
    Give Emery a full season to develop his ideas but after that we need to see significant improvement on the pitch.

    Also, to be fair, your own positions are often wildly inconsistent Pedro.
    On Gazidis, on the Emery appointment and on Stan.

    I’m not trying to be a force for negativity on here. I’m looking forward to next season and I’ve seen promising signs but to be honest, I have no idea how we’re going to do.

    Well, I hope.

  61. Dissenter

    In Fairness to Stan Kroenke.
    He never promised to infuse money into the club.
    Usmanov was actually scoffed at by gooners when he made the proposal to help the club out.
    Self-sustainability has always been part of Arsenal, at least it preceded Kroenke.
    It’s not nice to move the goal posts now….that’s for you Alexander Henry.

  62. Ishola70

    Dissenter
    “He owned Wenger’s idiocies 100% since he alone kept him on”

    He didn’t alone keep him on.

    The real culprits that kept him on were the fans who couldn’t unwed themselves from Arsene Wenger.

    Always ask the question when was Kroenke seriously and realistically expected to sack Wenger before last season given the cirumstances stated above and no-one gives a definitive or true answer. It’s all haze from them.

  63. alexanderhenry

    Pedro

    I haven’t even mentioned wenger. You keep mentioning him.
    He’s gone, left the building, skidaddled, kaput, finito…

  64. KAY Boss

    I care less about who owns the club. what I care most about is the success the club chalks. Though an owner can be influential to the direction a heads, it’s the reason football people have been employed to care for that aspect of the club.
    It’s not all doom and gloom.

  65. Dissenter

    Kroenke’s problem is not that he isn’t spending his own money.
    Hos problems is that he has overseen [or failed to supervise] the piss-poor decisions that were undertaken by Wenger from 2011-2017.
    Letting Wenger not spend on outfield players in the 2015 summer was the height of idiocy. We cummulated a cash balance of 150-200 million pounds waiting for FFT to kick in.
    How much did the Brexit-induced devaluation of the pound Sterling wipe off our books?
    Piss poor decision- letting our best players run out their contracts, accumulating huge cash balances like the bank of Arsenal.
    Kroenke needs to get off his arse and take more control of the day to day operations. Maybe Josh Kroenke coming in may help with that.

  66. Marko

    I think that Barcelona have paid £96 Million for Dembele and would have to pay another £30-40 Million if certain conditions are met which they would be keen to get out of.

    Thought it was 92 million including all the trimmings. 10 million loan with an 80 million obligation is basically no loss for Barcelona

  67. Samesong

    Some of you guys go too deep into things. Let see how our first game pans out. All blooming accountants on this site.

  68. gambon

    You also need to look into the Dembele deal from an accounting point of view.

    If he cost £100m spread over 5 years, that means his current book value is £80m.

    If they sell for £90m, they will make a £10m profit on his sale.

    If we loan him for a year for £10m, then buy for £80m, they would make a total profit of £30m (£10m loan and £20m transfer).

  69. Emiratesstroller

    The decision by Kroenke to take full control of the club will be a major negative for many supporters.

    However, in some respects it may be a major plus, because until now the club has been in no man’s land. So long as Usmanov owned 30% of the club Kroenke had the excuse not to invest his own money in the team.

    Now he is on a level playing field with other mega rich owners who own 100%
    of the club.

    He will have an obligation to invest properly in team and not use the perennial
    excuses of operating a business model when other competitors don’t follow those rules.

    if Kroenke wants to appease Arsenal supporters he should now some ambition in transfer market and bring in a world class player to kick start the revolution on the pitch. Maybe buying Dembele from Barcelona would be a positive sweetner.

  70. Pierre

    Let’s be honest.. If it wasn’t for the fact that chelsea and city came along and spent a billion + to get where they are, we would be happy with kronke….

    City would still be languishing in div 2 and chelsea would be just above mid table.

    Ferguson would have left and united would not be dominating, which would leave Arsenal, spurs and Liverpool to fight for the league along with united and we would all be content with challenging for the title every season whoever was the manager.

    The obscene money that city and chelsea have spent over the last 12 or so years has changed the way fans judge success…

  71. WengerEagle

    Doesn’t look like anyone else is coming in does it?

    Meanwhile Barca putting in a feeble attempt to snare Pogba, Courtois pulling every trick in the playbook to force a move out of Chelsea and looking like United will bring in a centre-half, one of Maguire or Alderweireld.

  72. englandsbest

    Sorry Pedro, but you are being somewhat naïve if you believe that nothing much has changed. As sole owner, Stan can do whatever he likes with the Club.

    And that matters a great deal.

    I will remind you that Stan shows great admiration for the Glazers at Man U. They borrowed the money to buy the Club, and then loaded it on the Club. It’s odds-on that Stan will follow suit.

    The Glazers are gamblers, they mortgage the future on present success.

    Stan is not a gambler, he will continue with his ‘self-sustaining’ ethos. Any idea that he might invest his own money in the Club is wishful thinking. And the Club will most ikely have the additional burden of his £557m debt.

    Judging from past performance, there is little evidence that Stan cares much about winning things. His sports franchises plug along at best.

    Actually Stan has taken one gamble, a big one, He is building an expensive stadium in LA for the Rams. The signs are that the locals may not turn up. Who knows, he might move Arsenal there. He can do that.

  73. Gunner2301

    AlexH

    Now we managed to get the fraud out of the club i think we need to be realistic and give Emery time. Wenger who had been in the CL couldnt get back in 2 attempts so to be fair to Emery if we dont do it in the next season we have to accept that as long as we dont decline further. We were sliding and the signings Emery has made so far for me are to halt the slide consolidate and try to undo some of the mess left behind. You cant even class the players brought in to be HIS team because the older ones are not long term because they are not good enough to push us on long term and the younger ones still need to be proven.

    I believe by the end of next Summer the majority of what he doesnt want that Wenger left behind will be gone and he should start to bring in players for the long term that he can make into his team ie starting 11 players we can challenge with. I would start judging him from there really. This Summer is plugging gaps to stop the ship from sinking.

    If we manage to do something this season great but im looking from next season onward and hoping we can do well in the cups or Europa this season.

  74. WengerEagle

    Presumably Emery doesn’t see the need for a wideman at this stage of the game which is concerning.

    The bane of Nelson and Iwobi looking half-decent against children and disinterested PSG/Atleti sides in the ICC.

  75. Pedro

    Englands Best, he could do what he liked last week. Usmanov didn’t have a seat on the board. What do you think he’s going to do now?

  76. gambon

    “Doesn’t look like anyone else is coming in does it?”

    Think we will buy a CB.

    Imagine Ospina, Jenkinson, Chambers, Campbell, Perez & Welbeck will leave – possibly a few kids on loan.

    Probably a £30m budget or so for a CB.

    Could also see a young attacker coming in, a Guendouzi that plays wide.

  77. Marc

    Pedro

    Actually by having a shareholding over 25% Usmanov had what’s known as a blocking share which can prevent a majority shareholder from doing certain things.

  78. gambon

    Nice to see good balanced reaction on here.

    Apparently Stan is gonna sell the stadium, and move AFC to Los Angeles.

    Hilarious.

  79. Marko

    The bane of Nelson and Iwobi looking half-decent against children and disinterested PSG/Atleti sides in the ICC.

    They weren’t even that good in preseason. But yeah legitimate links outside of Vida seem non-existent at the moment. Beyond fanciful to think anything will happen with Dembele. Honestly best we could pull out of our arse would be a loan to buy someone like Guedes

  80. Ishola70

    ES

    “He will have an obligation to invest properly in team and not use the perennial
    excuses of operating a business model when other competitors don’t follow those rules.”

    How does that work?

    These other clubs don’t operate under puritan self-sufficiency rulings. Arsenal do though.

    You must have heard Gazidis say numerous times Arsenal do not spend what they don’t earn.

    These other clubs can throw throw money that isn’t earned. They have more scope.

    The problem here is Arsenal’s puritan values and these were not devised by Kroenke. He has happily jumped on these values though.

  81. WengerEagle

    gambon

    Think that it’s unlikely that Welbeck will be sold, hard to picture him outside of the PL and there’s just been no noise at all there re a move for a PL club with just over 48 hours to go.

    Don’t think Chambers will be sold either, was used a lot in pre-season in contrast to the others.

    You’d be hard pushed raising much for the rest, Perez the best asset being mooted for less than 10 million apparently.

    There’s just been no smoke at all re wide players, maybe we bring in a CB.

  82. Cesc Appeal

    I didn’t think Nelson looked that good at all, don’t get the hype with him.

    Iwobi looked fairly decent against Lazio.

  83. gambon

    WengerEagle

    Chambers is off to Fulham on loan, hence why I think a CB is coming in.

    Dont see any place for Welbeck. Have never once heard Emery mention him, and hes got 12 months left. Think he will move on deadline day.

  84. Wallace

    reading the reaction, here and elsewhere, seems like those with a better idea of what Stan having sole ownership means are more worried about it than those who are a bit hazier on the subject.

  85. DaleDaGooner

    I’d have anyone else owning Arsenal, I hate Kroenke with a passion….like a curse the day he batted an eye at buying up shares in Arsenal FC….He’s not the type of full owner Arsenal FC should have. Sad day indeed.

  86. Ben

    Any chance of a big purchase in the next two days as a way of Kroenke appeasing the fans? I am fully on the Dembele hypetrain but its probably just wishful thinking and we’ll make a 30 million pound bid for fucking Vida.

    These Vida links feel me with dread. It would be gross mismanagement to spend 40 odd million on 2 slow and old average centrebacks. Surely it woulda made more sense to buy one top CB paired with an average one in Chambers rather than having 5 average ones in the squad.

  87. gambon

    Cesc

    I like Nelson. I think everyone forgets hes 18 years old.

    Apparently he has the highest combined xG and xA of any player in pre-season.

    Just being part of the squad at his age is a serious achievement.

  88. WengerEagle

    gambon

    That confirmed? I don’t know why we don’t just sell Chambers. How many loans/time here does it take you to work out if the lad has what it takes to make it at the club.

    Yeah Welbeck has been a ghost in the Emery era, maybe he does get a deadline day move. With some of the fees being chucked around I’d hope we take in at least 20 million for him.

  89. Receding Hairline

    Iwobi has looked decent most of the time, he has a trick or two up his sleeves to go past player, only problem is the way he strikes a ball, so weak it does not even pretend to be a shot and mostly straight at the keeper.

    He needs to work on being a proper finisher.

    I expect a defender and an inexpensive wide player as one of the ITK’s said yesterday. He has been proved right since Emery and Raul came on board

  90. Cesc Appeal

    Gambon

    He will get time so we will see what he becomes. He’s clearly regarded as a prospect.

    I was watching him in pre-season because we badly need a winger and I was sort of hoping we might see something from him that makes you think he could over the next season start to develop his game. But I didn’t really see anything.

    Contrast that with Chelsea’s young wide player who against us and against City looked dangerous and confident.

    We will see though, maybe directness etc is something he’s going to pick up.

  91. Receding Hairline

    Eagle

    Kike Marin

    Never really seen Ornstien as a so called Arsenal Oracle, he just comes out to confirm done deals and waits for the silly replies to his tweets that are now boring.

  92. DaleDaGooner

    Ishola70August 7, 2018 15:04:07
    Dissenter
    “He owned Wenger’s idiocies 100% since he alone kept him on”He didn’t alone keep him on.The real culprits that kept him on were the fans who couldn’t unwed themselves from Arsene Wenger.Always ask the question when was Kroenke seriously and realistically expected to sack Wenger before last season given the cirumstances stated above and no-one gives a definitive or true answer. It’s all haze from them.

    I get we hate Wenger a lot on here, I get he alone made awful decisions on the field that has seen us decline, I get he out stayed his welcome, what I don’t get is how a lot of you guys on here make excuses for Stan Kroenke. Look at other owners, even the Glazers at Utd……see how they run their clubs and what comes out of it. It’s so stupid to harp on day in day out about Wenger even when he’s no longer here and most of you got your wish. Our defense looks the same, even with new players!

  93. englandsbest

    Pedro

    What is the virtue of a billionaire owner (it was two), if he doesn’t give his Club a few of his millions?

    Stan may not be guilty of human rights abuses, but he is certainly guilty of animal rights abuses. Or have you forgotten?

  94. Zfree

    Stan is 71 yrs old. His wife has almost as many billions (descendent to Walton family) and is 69 yrs old.Be nice if Josh becomes a fan and drunk on the European football scene, inherits money when either parent passes, and goes nuts with the sort of “rich kid letting loose” behavior for a few years pumping in his own money. Can dream, right?

  95. DaleDaGooner

    Re Nelson, i was excited about him, but I am beginning to think there’s not much there. He hasn’t really shown any next level stuff. Nketiah really wants to be a part of things while Nelson plays too comfortably.

  96. Cesc Appeal

    Kronke Jr by the sounds of things is a bit naive but he has got the right idea in terms of wanting Arsenal to move forward, he was once of the voices pushing for Wenger to go although allegedly he wanted Henry as manager which highlights a naivety.

  97. Emiratesstroller

    Ishola 70

    The point I was making was that Kroenke had a controlling interest in the club, but he did not actually own Arsenal and was therefore accountable to other shareholders in how he ran the club.

    If he owns 100% of the Club and it becomes a Private Company his responsibility is only to himself.

    If he wants to run a successful football club and compete with the the likes of
    Man City, Man Utd and Chelsea then he needs to invest in the team something
    we have failed to do in last decade.

    Kroenke may not be personally as mega rich as the royal family in Abu Dhabi,
    but his family interests are backed by the Walton family. His wife and Josh are
    both Waltons one of the richest families in USA.

  98. alexanderhenry

    ES

    ‘If he wants to run a successful football club and compete with the the likes of
    Man City, Man Utd and Chelsea then he needs to invest in the team something
    we have failed to do in last decade.’

    That’s it in a nutshell, the key bit being ‘if he wants’.

  99. Ishola70

    DaleDaGooner

    “what I don’t get is how a lot of you guys on here make excuses for Stan Kroenke”

    It’s not making excuses for him.

    Some may not want to go down the path of comic book villain. Some of it is way over the top such as the suggestion on here the danger of being located to LA.

    I would prefer another owner but how much different would things be on the pitch if another owner came in who had supported Arsenal all his life went to every match with his Arsenal scarf on but the club was still being run on puritan self-sufficiency lines?

    I don’t like the fact that Kroenke is an obvious money leech. I don’t like the idea that he is making money for himself of the back of Arsenal FC but this is not massively relevant to the playing side when the whole club is run on these puritan self-sufficient values.

    Dislike him for such things mentioned. But to hold him personally responsible for on the pitch matters when everyone knows how the club as a whole operate looks like scapegoating.

    Tear up the puritan self-sufficiency that was devised before Kroenke’s arrival and then we can tear him apart for failings on the playing side.

  100. Olumide

    DaleDaGooner
    “Re Nelson, i was excited about him, but I am beginning to think there’s not much there. He hasn’t really shown any next level stuff. Nketiah really wants to be a part of things while Nelson plays too comfortably.”
    Nelson had 3 assists in International Champions Cup. Highest by any player in all clubs that participated. What were you expecting?
    Many runs and dribbles with no end products?

  101. DaleDaGooner

    Other than the LA Rams, take a look at how stale other KSE teams are in their various leagues. The Nuggets are boring AF! Colorado Rapids won the league once and they’re just there to make up the numbers, very middling, Avalanche? give me a break. Only exciting thing about Rams was the move and a new manager, much like Arsenal now without the strategic move.

  102. Pedro

    United invest their own money, Chelsea do to and have pulled back drastically, and City are funded by oil.

    Asking Stan to invest his own cash and make us dependent on him seems like a childish dream.

  103. TR7

    Kroenke was controlling affairs at Arsenal anyway but the only reason he is paying over the odds to buy out Usmanov is because he doesn’t want any accountability to anyone. That’s the long story cut short. Also very obvious why those who were in a position to make his accountable to some extent are fearing the worst.

  104. Ishola70

    So ES wants to tear up the puritan self-sufficiency.

    You know this is close to Gazidis’ heart and he thinks is valued by fans.

    Dumping on it.

  105. DaleDaGooner

    Nelson had 3 assists in International Champions Cup. Highest by any player in all clubs that participated. What were you expecting?
    Many runs and dribbles with no end products?

    It’s pre-season, we all saw JET and Wilshere all those years ago in pre-season……I haven’t seen anything yet that suggests Nelson will take us to the next level.

  106. Champagne charlie

    Pedro the bar you’ve set there would get knocked over even by Banfords micropenis. Stan isn’t part of the mafia so let’s be excited by sole ownership? OK mate.

    Can someone inform me how this is a POSITIVE move for Arsenal? Let’s try that angle, I don’t see the merits at all.

  107. DaleDaGooner

    Ishola70…look closely at his sports “portfolios” see where they stand in their different leagues.

  108. gambon

    “I haven’t seen anything yet that suggests Nelson will take us to the next level.”

    Yeah most 18 year olds are winning the Ballon D’or

  109. Olumide

    Arsenal wanted Kroenke initially because he would leave the club to run itself. Now, he must invest in the club.
    People just inventing reasons to blame Kroenke.
    It’s also funny to think Kroenke will bleed the club dry. Why would he do that?
    If he wanted to do that, he would have left Wenger on.
    Have you seen a billionaire who would bleed his £1.8 billion investment to devalue it to £1 billion or £500 million?

  110. azed

    Dale

    The US runs a closed system, there’s nothing like relegation (tanking is a strategy there) and more importantly, no salary cap in Europe.

    Why I don not expect Kronke to go berserk and drop 300M in one window, he would know that he has to be competitive to keep his investment growing. Two years out of the CL would have told him something.

  111. gambon

    Charlie

    I dont see anyone saying its positve, I see a lot of people saying it isnt negative.

    Stan didnt OK the £40m investment in the club infrastructure because he was scared what Tim Payton would do if he didnt.

  112. Bob N16

    Like your thinking Zfree…

    DaleDaGooner..with you on Nketiah but feel Nelsen has a chance too – both really young.

  113. Ishola70

    DaleDaGooner
    “look closely at his sports “portfolios” see where they stand in their different leagues.”

    What do you want him to do Dale? Invest his own money?

    The decision was made a long time ago by Arsenal that they did not want that type of owner. Usmanov no thank you they said.

    And fans were shamelessly singing the same tune. Be funded from outside like Chelsea? No thank you they said.

  114. DaleDaGooner

    gambonAugust 7, 2018 16:04:47
    “I haven’t seen anything yet that suggests Nelson will take us to the next level.”Yeah most 18 year olds are winning the Ballon D’or

    Ah, we’re going to say he’s just 18 years. I reckon Ousman Dembele, Mbappe were/are miles ahead at the same age…and I mean out of site miles….so to expect a little bit more hunger in Nelson’s “i’m too cool” style of play is not ballon d’or wish, not much to ask for, at least I compared him to Nketiah who’s shown a lot of hunger in his desire to play and show he’s a real option if Lacazette or Aubameyang lose sight

  115. Olumide

    DaleDaGooner
    “It’s pre-season, we all saw JET and Wilshere all those years ago in pre-season……I haven’t seen anything yet that suggests Nelson will take us to the next level.”
    Okay. What gave you the impression Nketiah will take us to the next level?