Well, the new boys have started to drip into the club. Torriera has LANDED which is magnificent. This is him pointing.
Magnificent.
In other news, the stories about us landing Dembele get hotter and hotter. The French wideman has an admirer in Sven M. Barca oddly looking to bin off the magical winger after just one season. I have no idea why they’d consider moving on talent like that, all I know if I LOVE him deeply as a player and think he’d be a fabulous addition to our quite scary attack. Kike Marin, the Spanish God of transfers reckons this could happen… very exciting.
Also, if Barca are offering up a £135m player who is 20 in exchange for Ramsey… well, I don’t want to pack anyone’s bags but come on, that’d be a tasty offer. Ramsey would be on the train to Emanuel Petitville in a season anyway.
OBVIOUSLY I’d like to keep Ramsey, but be real, it’s not looking good.
The Ozil drama carried on into its 16th week, fans in Germany protested on the theme of #IamOzil. Bit dramatic, don’t you think? Guy hung out with the civil rights abuser basket player Enes Kanter called “the Hitler of our century”, now people are protesting his treatment in Germany (the irony), a country that’s lambasted by the hard right the world over for being too kind to immigrants? Please.
Freddi Boban is having NONE OF IT.
“I think that’s a bit cowardly,”
“Ozil’s criticism of social media, especially in the direction of the German Football Association (DFB), is unbearable.
“This blanket charge of racism simply does not correspond to reality. He could have given an interview somewhere, live on TV.
“For us footballers, the rule is ‘be a man and stand up.'”
Freddi, what does it mean to be a man? Why are you leaning on dated stereotypes of masculinity to make a shallow point about racism?
You disgust me.
Anyway, time to sweep this German nonsense under the rug. There’s only one nationality that counts and that’s GOONER. Amirite? Yes. Yes I am.
Right, not a lot to go on today. See you tomorrow!
x
Wallace
I hope Ozil has a good season and I think there’s a chance he awakens a bit under Emery’s regime, but those Darren Burgess comments do nothing to change the fact that Ozil: can’t and doesn’t shoot, disappears in big games, isn’t assertive enough and is ultimately a bit of a wimp.
No one has ever denied his talent.
Bamford
Spot on the Ozil argument on here always falls into either he’s shit or amazing, when it’s neither.
The talent is there just need to get his head in the right place.
I have no problem with selling Ramsey for a decent sum, but we would need to replace him with a CM with similar attributes, i.e., a B2B CM. Aside from Ramsey, we don’t have one of these. Some will say that we could play two holding mids with Ozil in front of them, but if neither of the two holding mids is a B2B, then Ozil will be required to do too much B2B work and it will not work properly. So while it would be great to have a wide player like Dembele, it wouldn’t make sense to lose… Read more »
Bamford
I think it comes down to the money. Do we have enough to get a winger and then use any money from Ramsey’s sale on a replacement?
If not will the midfielders we have give us enough if we get a winger to replaces Ramsey’s goals etc?
Obviously my previous comment is subject to doing the required business next summer.
i can see why Barca want to bin dembele. I am not a fan myself. He is not a Barca level player. He is definitely an arsenal level of forward. He couldn’t even get into France’s 11 after 1st game.
He is not that effective
@ Wallace
Yes, stats can be made to do a lot of things. I don’t think Ozil is shit. I just don’t think he is what we need and I think we are paying way over the odds for someone who for the most part does a Lord Lucan in games where you need him to impose himself.
I honestly had more excitement and buzz watching Anders Limpar than I do watching Ozil.
I think Ramsey is probably asking for a salary way too high for his ability level, c£250k per week or similar.
Theres just no way we should be doing that, he isnt good enough.
Hes a £100k per week player.
We are already overpaying for the likes of Ozil, Lacazette & Mykhitaryan, who arent as good as their salaries suggest. We cant keep doing that.
Auba is the only big earner we have that justifies his salary.
The problem is we have left it to late. The club should sell any player that doesnt extend with 2 years left.
Lacazette is better than Gambon gives credit for. He will surprise u this season
I think we’re just fked no matter what happens. If we really wanted a winger, my guess is that we’d be on it already long time ago. On a side note: Imagine Wenger doing his bit if he still considers himself an Arsenal guy, calling Dembele on the phone and telling him that joining us would be the best decision he could make in his career. Pretty sad that Arsene wasn’t that good at his job in the last say 8 years. Imagine that he and Arsenal had the same pull among the french players as they had during the… Read more »
I think Ramsey is probably asking for a salary way too high for his ability level, c£250k per week or similar.
Theres just no way we should be doing that, he isnt good enough.
Hes a £100k per week player.
I agree. I also think we should have used the summer to do spring cleaning. Any player on wages above their ability should be on the out list.
gambon
I think that’s what you’ll see begin to happen now. I’ve always felt Ramsey saw himself as being a “top” player who fancies going out to Spain to play alongside his mate Bale. One thing though would Madrid go for him even on a free – bearing in mind his wage demands would definitely hit £250k plus.
‘The problem is we have left it to late. The club should sell any player that doesnt extend with 2 years left’
And if you have 5 first teamers in that category every year? you sell 5 every year?
Be reasonable
“Lacazette is better than Gambon gives credit for. He will surprise u this season”
Lacazette didn’t make the French team. If you Dembele isn’t that good because he didn’t start for France, why would think Lacazette is any good?
Lol,
Butchered!!!
Some comments are pretty laughable though. Seriously.
sanmi
No but you try and get contracts staggered so you don’t have half the team in that position. I’d also expect us to be able to retain some players. You make it sound as if every player is going to force his way out on a free.
“And if you have 5 first teamers in that category every year? you sell 5 every year?”
That’s impossible in a well run club. You typically sign a player to 4 or 5 year contracts, the first year, they acclimatize, by the second year, you should know those that have long term futures with the club and those that should be sold.
For those with long term futures, you give an improved contract with either an additional two or three years depending on age and other factors. The others, you listen to bids.
I see Nabil Fekir is not attracting any interest besides Liverpool …is the medical issue that serious??
Sanmi
You wouldnt sell 5 every year, because most would probably agree to extend.
You would sell the ones that dont agree. Unless they are 30+ years old, then you can let them leave for free when their contract expires if it makes financial sense.
Max Meyer signing for… Crystal Palace.
Frosinone? fucking hell.
I thought I read Lazio were sniffing, but this one has taken a wicked turn.
Great signing from Wenger.
“Max Meyer signing for… Crystal Palace.”
Dude over estimated his talents.
azed
As did many on here. Wanted him simply because he was free, last thing we need is more bodies though without upping the quality, so I as never on board that train.
“Dude over estimated his talents.”
Not him alone, he has an accomplice on this forum.
AC Milan finally with a top class CF again after securing Higuain on a year loan.
Will make a huge difference to them. Carried Napoli a couple of years ago.
Emery needs to be more ruthless and start wielding the axe on all the deadwood like Ramsey.
azed
He’s only 22 and he can put himself in the PL shop window at Palace. Might be part of a longer term plan.
azed
I told u dembele is arsenal level. doesnt mean is barca level or lacazette is barca level
WengerEagle
Messi has never won a trophy for Argentina at senior level which means his game is junior level.
Marc
Or he could have reduced his wage demands and signed for a top club.
Bamford
‘No one has ever denied his talent.’
this was the post I was responding to…
‘It’s a shame so much of Ozil’s sheer brilliance doesn’t translate into consistently creating good scoring opportunities or trying to even chase down…’
Guess AC will be looking to move on Silva, Cutrone or Kalinic?
Meyer won’t be at palace for more than a season.
UTarse
If he has any sense he would have got a release fee in his contract.
“Meyer won’t be at palace for more than a season.”
$50 box says he will.
Payet left WestHam to Marseille and he spent more than one season there despite his talents.
New long term contract for ESR!
azed
I don’t know what he was asking for but I doubt Palace can pay serious money. Just look at what some of the Spud players are on.
Marc
Rumour on here was that he was asking for 150k.
Then again, 22 and free and none of the big clubs take you means there’s a big question mark unless he was asking for playing time.
Players with a year left on their contracts are going for insane rates so when a supposed talent becomes free but ends up at Crystal Palace, something is amiss.
azed
Not many teams playing £150k for a squad player so maybe you’re right.
Would still have Meyer over every CM we have bar Torreira. People forget one of Xhaka/Elneny is a guaranteed starter, unless you trust a 19 year old to step up from French league 2. Funnily enough, I do think he’ll be better than 2 of our senior CMs.
I’d rather have Meyer in the squad than Elneny or Xhaka, which was the point.
I Kolasinac on a similar contract? And he’s fucking pony.
@ Akilian
How many times have you watched Meyer play??
They say familiarity breeds contempt …i think that is what we see with some of our players , watching them week in week out you know all their faults.
The fact that a player touted with huge potential (Meyer) makes a move to a ‘small ‘ club doesn’t erase his quality. Meyer’s been a victim of a club who weren’t willing to let ‘be’ and wanted to paint a good pic about themselves and therefore highlighting the player as the problem.
Meyer could also have priced himself way beyond his value.
Ousmane Dembele is an outstanding talent. Was brilliant at Rennes that got him his move to Dortmund. That season he was incredible and a major part in Aubameyang getting 40 goals that year and even through his injuries last year he still looked good. And still 21 years old. Absolutely shits on Perisic. Rebic over Perisic even
“Max Meyer signing for… Crystal Palace.”
Lets all laugh at Marko.
Imagine now if Ramsey moves to Barca, who according to Marko is not good enough to clean their toilets let alone play for them.
“I’d rather have Meyer in the squad than Elneny or Xhaka, which was the point.”
For all his faults, I still think Xhaka is a more suitable partner for Torreira than Meyer.
Max Meyer’s struggles to find a club doesn’t really tell the whole story I mean it can happen. Doesn’t change the fact that he’s an excellent player. He’d be an upgrade on about 3/4 midfielders we have right now.
We have been talking of low wages of Spud players but remember most of them were very young when first started , now that they have been successful and older almost all heve been renewed at much better rates. It’s going to hit them, that probably explains their lack of signing till now
“Max Meyer’s struggles to find a club doesn’t really tell the whole story”
Bullshit.
All the top clubs have made midfield signings and your boy finds himself at Palace
Carts
Milan probably move on Kalinic, much older than Silva, not as large an investment and he acted like an arsehole at the World Cup refusing to back-up Mandzukic, no chance he gets a look-in ahead of Higuain who’s even better.
Kalinic is good though, was quality for Fiorentina. Although they are his level.
I’d say his struggles to find a decent club do speak levels about his quality, how could it not?
Unless he’s just a rotten character, which is even more of a reason to avoid him.
“He’d be an upgrade on about 3/4 midfielders we have right now.”
We heard that with Morgan Schniderlin, Yohan Cabaye, Yann Mvila …..list is endless, All this players were highly rated simply because they were not playing for Arsenal. In Marko’s eyes everyone is an upgrade on what we have .
@ Wallace
Are you saying Ozil is consistently brilliant, or that he tracks back and tackles?
Max Meyer reminds me of Lewis Holtby. Guy made a sing and dance about how he choose Spurs over Arsenal, ended up doing very little here and left quietly.
I’d be interested in getting everyone’s thoughts on Arsenal’s supposed need for a winger. I’ve been stating the case that ‘wingers’ aren’t what they used to be.
The full-back is the new ‘winger’
and any modern equivalent of a ‘winger’ worth his salt is now an inside forward.
Discuss.
For those who watch more football than I do.
Yeri Mina or Sokratis Papas…?
“I’d be interested in getting everyone’s thoughts on Arsenal’s supposed need for a winger.”
Sometimes i am confused if what they say we need is a touchline hugger or someone who can beat his man 1v1. I really have no use for a player who all he does is stay on the touchline whipping in crosses . I mean Ozil is criticized here daily for doing just that.
AN
We need a player that’s comfortable taking people on and consistently able to get the better of defenders in one vs ones to make us less predictable and to break through walls of bodies,, we haven’t got one player in the entire squad that specializes in this.
We don’t need an old-school Jerome Rothen/Damien Duff type winger that hugs the touchline and whips crosses into the box, game has moved on from this type of player just like the static play-maker ala Riquelme.
InsideRight
‘@ WallaceAre you saying Ozil is consistently brilliant, or that he tracks back and tackles?’
I’m saying you can’t question his ability to create chances, which is what you did in your initial post.
“The full-back is the new ‘winger’
and any modern equivalent of a ‘winger’ worth his salt is now an inside forward.
Discuss.”
the best team in the country have 3 top quality wingers.
Doubt anyone here has watched Yerry play in more than a dozen football matches RR. Looked decent in the WC but Barcelona don’t seem to fancy him at all, doubts on his mobility and lapses in concentration leading to mistakes.
Not mad on Sokratis for what it’s worth but he’s here now, hopefully at worst he proves to be a positive influence in the dressing room and on Mavropanos.
Sane and Sterling are more inside forwards than wingers though.
Both like to cut in and drive into the box rather than hang out wide.
Radio Raheem
Yerry Mina was fantastic in Russia. best CB out there, for me. I’d love him at Arsenal.
“Not him alone, he has an accomplice on this forum.”
lol Marko,Akilan the fanboys
Meyer is a decent player, nothing much or less, Palace is pretty much is level,using his wages as an excuse he’s failed to secure a move to a top level club is as weak as a wet tissue paper,he’s not good enough at least not for a top 6 team
How on earth are we going to get Demebele? I mean, Rambo- sure but what about the extra 60M we need?
We have not sold anyone of note yet- What is going on here?
No chance we are getting Dembele.
What is Perez still doing at the club?awful player, Lazio almost took the bait until Emery played him against ATM thereby exposing how shockingly bad he is.. I suspected that will turn out a costly error..and bang!
Sometimes i am confused if what they say we need is a touchline hugger or someone who can beat his man 1v1. Watch Leroy Sane. He’s City’s most underrated player because he stretches the field by staying on the touch line. He’s pace and ability to beat his man 1 v 1 makes him so deadly because when the ball is on the other side of the pitch, the defence shifts and the RB drops towards the centre of the box, to cover his CB’s and space. When the ball is switched from right to left, the RB has to… Read more »
I can’t wait to watch Frosinone in Serie A.
They could be the season’s surprise package… lol
“Sane and Sterling are more inside forwards than wingers though.Both like to cut in and drive into the box rather than hang out wide.”
really? yeah, they will cut inside, but always from a starting position out on the touchline. could maybe say Sterling floats a bit, but I would never call Sane anything other than a winger.
Dembele is a pipe dream, I’m afraid people are setting themselves up for disappointment on this one,you just never learn
There’s NO interest from us, if there is something should have happened by now, no concrete news, no bids, absolutely nothing to point to a genuine interest and moreover 10days is probably to short to close such a monstrous deal
leroy Sane actually releases the ball when he has beaten his man and driven into the box..he does not hang out on the touchline pinging in crosses.
Like i said we need a dribbler, someone who puts the fullback on his ass and drives into the box laying the ball off for the striker or an onrushing midfielder, We do not need a touchline man who just stays there dropping crosses.
Which is why i found a name like Pavon laughable
The Dembele thing reminds me of the Benzema rumors, sometimes fans get themselves whipped into a frenzy then start insulting the club when nothing happens.
They say Sven smiled when he was asked about signing Dembele, was he supposed to burst into tears??
Wallace
Sane played through the middle a lot for Schalke as a second striker, I think that is where his future lies. Players as good as him with his skill-set rarely stay as out and out wingers.
He’s still a kid at 22.
A&N
Winger isnt the right word. I have never said we need a winger.
What I do say we need is a wide player, that is a natural wide player, and can score goals to support the CF.
The idea of playing your best player, a world class CF, out of position, to support a lesser player, is crazy.
I get why Emery will do it, because without Auba & Laca in the same team we just dont have enough goals in the team.
@ Wallace
I said he doesn’t do it consistently. Doing it for a few weeks at a time then fading out for months, doesn’t cut it. Stats make him look like a megastar, but he clearly isn’t because with those stats alone Barca or Bayern would be all over him. They aren’t. What is that telling us?
When does the window shut for the PL, next Thursday night?
WE
Yes, next Thursday. Think that day comes and goes and our squad remains as is.
How many do people expect Auba and Lacazette to score this season?
I’m hopefully that Aubameyang can hit 25 and Lacazette fifteen to twenty in the league, with one- two more chipping in with close to double figures we’d be right up there in the CL race providing our defence isn’t too shocking.
When does the window shut for the PL, next Thursday night?
Some say on Friday the 10th before the Man united vs Leicester game kicks off. Others say on midnight Thursday 9th July.
Azed,
$50 box of ?
Receding,
I do see your point about familiarity with our players and hence seeing their faults and possibly exaggerating them, as for palace’s marquee signing, something is definitely amiss with Meyer, but I don’t think it’s his talent.
It does beg the question if Emery really wants a winger, at least that would explained why he’s allowed Malcom to move ,Fekir still at Lyon, Lozano(a player I really really like), Bailey (who might end up at the chavs) and ofc Dembele..all BS rumours with nothing serious
Orstein made the claim we’re done for incoming players and he’s always bang on the money.
Utarse
50 usd.
RH
Apparently shuts at 5pm next Thursday.
“Orstein made the claim we’re done for incoming players and he’s always bang on the money.”
Lol, no he isnt.
Said we had £100m NET to spend last summer.
Said we had no money, 3 hours before we bid £92m for Lemar
InsideRight
‘I said he doesn’t do it consistently. Doing it for a few weeks at a time then fading out for months, doesn’t cut it.’
he’s the fastest to 50 assists in Premier League history. beat Bergkamp, beat Cesc, beat Beckham, beat Cantona….and all while feeding some pretty middling finishers compared to the others on the list.
Wallace, Eagle,
Cheers guys
Cesc was seventeen in his first PL season, Ozil was 25.
Ornstein more accurate than any other – club’s mouthpiece
Azed,
50$ is worth the punt from my end if you’re game.
Gambon you forget that Sanchez was leaving so Ornstein was not far wrong
@ Wallace
And despite him being the first to reach 50 assists no big club shows signs of any interest in him. The point I’m making is there is more to the game than being a flat track bully. Perhaps you could find out how many assists he has contributed against top 6 sides.
Wallace You may want to read up what ‘consistently’ means. Without the first half of the 15/16 season Ozil averages 5.5 goals and 7.5 assists per season. So he was completely right, Ozil has a top class season 10% of the time, or half a season per 5 seasons…….the definition of inconsistency. As for comparing Ozil to players like Cesc, who started at age 17, well thats really fair. Ozils only job to to provide assists. He doesnt defend, he doesnt score, he is given the most freedom of any player in PL history, I would be stunned if he… Read more »
NW9
So Ornstein said we had no money, but we actually had £32m at the very least?
Not to mention Dennis scored more than double the amount of goals that Ozil has in their first five seasons at the club.
Raheem
Of course Ornstein is more accurate than others.
He comes out and confirms deals that are already public knowledge.
He probably confirmed the Guendouzi deal this morning.
WE
‘Cesc was seventeen in his first PL season, Ozil was 25.’
true, but you can argue he played his best football between 18-24, and he was supplying Henry, Adebayor & RVP.
and it took him 165 games to get to 50. Ozil did it in 141.
@ Wallace
I’m not going to labour the point and keep going back and forth. I’ve given my opinion but I’m not trying to kick the guy. I just don’t think he offers enough and that his stats mask some fundamental issues in his game and his mentality that saw Madrid happy to let him go and no other side come in for him.
I would love for him to have a belting season and ram my criticisms down my throat. I want all our players to succeed and bring us success. I just don’t think he will.
Wenger Eagle Based on past records I would expect that between Aubameyang & Lacazette you have to be looking for around 40 and you would hope that if Mikhitaryan has a good season he would wade in with another 10 ish. The trouble is once you get passed those three save the freak season Ramsey had there really aren’t a lot of big or scorers and that is an issue for me. Iwobi and Welbeck combined average around 7 a season . If the back four is Chambers Bellerin, Montreal, Sokratis and Chambers they will likely chip in with another… Read more »
Isn’t it a bit disingenuous to think a club of our stature can’t plan for an extra 32 mil if a a good opportunity comes up.? Specially when the payments can be structured?