Interesting Leno stats + news round-up

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Bobby Pires didn’t take long to turn from Wenger sycophant, to Unai Emery #1 fan.

“The best signing for me is Unai Emery, the manager. Of course I believe in the players, and especially the new players,”

What. A. Creep.

Last April:

“I want Arsene to extend his contract for two or three more seasons, I’ve made that very clear. I think we can challenge for the league next year.”

Back in the days when people would say, ‘yeah, Bobby Pires, Invincible, says Wenger should stay but Pete from Le Grove says nah’, I always said you need to look out for the open hands of explayers. All those who vehemently pursued Wenger’s back passage wanted a job at the club, begging via compliments in the press.

Italian press is saying that the Ivan G move to Italy is complicated by the fact their financial offer is less than he’s on now… I mean, that’s not really a complication is it?

Anyway, Arsenal denied there’s contact with Milan, and as I said yesterday, it’d be a proper weird move.

The press is linking Petr Cech to Chelsea. Yep, Chelsea. I don’t really understand why they’d take their keeper back unless they wanted him as a coach. Not only is he not up for replacing Courtois ability wise, he’s not a Sarri type of keeper. If you can’t play with the ball at your feet, you’re not going to fit his crazy systems.

In other interesting news, there seem to be a lot of pictures of Emery hanging out with AMN. I always wonder whether that’s a purposeful move, or that he just looks proper good in training pictures? I’d love this to be a major breakout season for the midfielder, he’s such a talent and that high energy would look great in a disciplined system. I wonder where he’s going to play him? Will he be jockeying with Xhaka for position? Will he be back-up for Aaron Ramsey? Is he in the mix as a DM? I mean, surely he’d be a better option than Chambers there.

There’s some scary stats doing the rounds that seem to indicate that Leno has the 3rd worst save efficiency in Europe amongst big teams (here).  This gives a little more light on how the numbers came about. I think there are a lot people who are quite worried about Leno and his ability to pull us out of the ‘WHY R OUR KEEPERS SO SHIT’ hell that we’ve been in since 2006. I’m taking solace in the fact it seems hard to judge keepers with hard numbers because there are so many factors in being successful if you’re a keeper. But, it’s hard not to be a touch worried about a keeper who conceded 16% more goals than he should have.

I’m guessing that Sven has a system that maybe sheds more light on Leno, and that maybe they’ve used a bigger data set to come to the conclusion he’s worth a punt (quite the punt as well). I have nightmares about this sort of gamble, remember we signed Viviano? I was told we’d purposefully picked a keeper we thought was underachieving, that we could develop. I can’t remember the details, all I remember is the picked a keeper right out the middle of the stats pack. The bad old days.

Right, that’s all I have today, see you in the comments.

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  1. champagne charlie

    Dissenter

    Don’t be silly, comment away. What your saying endorses Liverpool further which begs the question why they couldn’t usurp a tired and stagnant Arsenal for so long?

    But the crux of the issue is why Arsenals top 4 malaise playing pretty football was viewed as middling, yet Marko feels vindicated to profess Klopp has been successful for Liverpool to date. There’s inconsistencies there.

    I’m for continual turnover and competitive maintenance for the record, im just not sure how anyone can tell me Arsenal “should” have competed after spending 90 mil in a summer yet in the same breath tell me Klopp needn’t have competed after dropping 150 mil in a similar timeframe? not computing that one.

  2. champagne charlie

    “Klopp at least shows respect and humility”

    Ehh, I like Klopp but are you sure about this one…

    I think someone pointed out just how spiteful and condescending he can be only yesterday.

  3. Cesc Appeal

    Apparently Neymar is staying at PSG but is kicking up a fuss that he wants to be the central player, that it should be undisputed that he is the foundation of PSG and the main man there without question, ever.

    What a douche he is.

    If someone has the funds I think Mbappe might move, I wouldn’t stay with that prick around.

    Although I suppose Mbappe can be quietly smug. He won a World Cup and has elevated his position in world football. Neymar got dumped out and has sunk in a lot of people’s opinions as an egotistical cheat.

  4. Dissenter

    Champagne
    I’m not going to lift a finger to defend Klopp.
    Liverpool have been the biggest spenders in England in the last 12 months.
    I’ve said it here several times; anything other than winning the league title for Liverpool this season is a failure.
    The amount of money they are spending is such that he can’t hide no more. Even just the FA cup is a failure.

  5. Dissenter

    The Allison deal is done.

    Before anyone starts taking cheap shots at Liverpool, remember that many wanted us to sign Oblak who’s release clause is more that Liverpool paid for Allison.

    That said I’m glad that we have signed Leno.

  6. mysticleaves

    Diss, yeah people wanted Oblak for 87m. Would have been really stupid.

    I hope Allison proves to be wasted funds

  7. Redtruth

    Champagne charlie being a thick cunt is the reason he tolerated and believed in Wenger for so long.

    The reason Liverpool couldn’t usurp a stagnant Arsenal for so long was because of Arsenal’s impeccable record against mediocre teams……you stupid pudding…

  8. champagne charlie

    Dissenter

    Be interesting to see how peoples views develop over the next 10 months about Klopp/Liverpool. As you say, at some point there needs tangible rewards. Poch ambles along with the ‘shoestring budget’ defence readied at any moment, Klopp doesn’t have that.

  9. UTarse

    Sanmi,
    “Wrong, we competed in the Leicester season, and the adebayor, van persie, hleb season. We were 2nd to Leicester, remember?”

    How big did your nose grow when you typed this bollocks ?

  10. champagne charlie

    Mystic

    I wouldn’t feed him mate, let him waffle. The fact remains, Liverpool have spent a good deal more than Arsenal, since Emirates in fact, and have ‘achieved’ not half of what we have in such time. Yet Klopp is a blinding success suddenly. Rules must of changed

  11. Dissenter

    The “nearly” argument for Klopp won’t work this season.
    Same for Poch
    They have to be judged like everyone else; on trophies, preferably the League or CL.

  12. champagne charlie

    Red

    You’re very gracious, but neither myself or Mystic could possibly threaten your dominance for that particular title.

  13. steve

    @mysticleaves

    “RT they are still shit now”

    ___

    Yet your lord and savior finished 12 points off of them. What a joke.

  14. Dissenter

    Cesc
    I agree
    Liverpool will push very hard for the title this sason …on one condition.
    They have to hope that Salah maintains his purple patch..

    The mid tier teams have also made positive changes. Everton and Westham will take points off the top-6 teams.

    Arsenal and Chelsea have that “unknown” factor due to managerial changes.

    The new season may be the best ever.

  15. steve

    Sanmi,
    “Wrong, we competed in the Leicester season, and the adebayor, van persie, hleb season. We were 2nd to Leicester, remember?”

    ___

    10 points off of Leicester. Yeah how competitive lol.

  16. Sancho Monzorla

    To whoever said Klopp won just the one title, actually he won back to back league titles in 2011 and 2012, something Wenger was never able to do.

  17. Marko

    No I’m not leaving anything out, I was addressing Marko’s belief that buying players (more expensive typically) was the way to illicit positive change at a club.

    Buying good players not just about price. Probably why now with these particular signings Liverpool have made there’s an expectation of a title challenge

  18. mysticleaves

    CC

    Pretty much achieved my aim there. Banged him to submission.

    “Yet your lord and savior finished 12 points off of them.”

    Arsenal finished 12 points off of them. My lord and Savior doesnt play/coach a football team

  19. Sancho Monzorla

    Dissenter

    Really is it though? He beat Bayern to those two titles, then they proceeded to poach Gotze and Lewandowski, and Bayern have won every domestic title since then.

    Klopp only been at Liverpool for like 2.5 years now? Their squad kinda sucked, Allen was playing MF when he got there. If you don’t think Liverpool are better off now with Klopp than before he was there you are just looking for a reason to complain.

  20. Marko

    I still don’t get how Klopp is being judged on 8 years of spending when he’s only been there 3 years. You can only judge him on his time. There 3 years and he better win something soon or else. Wenger was given 9 years without a peep. Been spending and not spending for years and wasn’t really under pressure to compete. Granted he wasn’t spending the money Liverpool are spending this summer. Probably why no one expected him to compete for a title

  21. Receding hairline

    Marko will defend anything and anyone not associated with Arsenal to the death.

    A manager supposedly world class has lost six straight finals and everyone acts like that record does not exist. I understand the media and their Liverpool love in..but I don’t understand a dude claiming to be an Arsenal fan defending them to the death on an arsenal blog daily.

    I chuckled when Marko said Liverpool haven’t won the title in 20+ years then followed it up swiftly with Arsenal’s 14 years. Liverpool hasn’t won the title in 28 years.. U can say it without choking. U used 20+ to make it seem like its close.

    Klopp fails to win the title this year he has failed at Liverpool.

  22. Cesc Appeal

    Dissenter

    It is going to be an interesting season.

    City and Liverpool look way ahead of everyone else on paper.

    United on paper look decent but I think Mourinho is basically finished as a top level manager, they may have their eye on Pochettino in the near future.

    Spurs are a really solid side but they lack a bit of depth and they need some pace up top. They also may have issues with Kane, Ali, Trippier etc having played so far into the World Cup. I think Spurs had the most players of the EPL in the latter stages?

    We look in better condition than Chelsea at the moment but we have a lot of question marks. Can Emery actually get Ozil to remember he’s a footballer, can he get more out of Xhaka, will players like Torreira hit the ground running, will we get a winger etc?

    We’ve got an advantage in that we can rest our players midweek basically until the semifinal of the Europa League which will play right into Emery’s high intensity pressing game.

  23. Marko

    A manager supposedly world class has lost six straight finals and everyone acts like that record does not exist. I understand the media and their Liverpool love in..but I don’t understand a dude claiming to be an Arsenal fan defending them to the death on an arsenal blog daily.

    Hey dummy you see me defending his final losses?

  24. steve

    @mysticleaves

    “Arsenal finished 12 points off of them. My lord and Savior doesnt play/coach a football team”

    ___

    Well obviously not now since he got sacked but he did at the time.

  25. Cesc Appeal

    ‘Klopp fails to win the title this year he has failed at Liverpool’

    That’s a bit harsh.

    Never saw these standards imposed on Wenger, just excuse after excuse.

    Klopp absolutely has to take another step up this year, he has to at the very least contend for the title all the way, give a good showing in the UCL and should win something. For me that would be the minimum.

    To say if he fails to win the title he has failed is way too high a bar.

    Fair play to him for having the balls to make these kinds of signings, it heaps expectation and accountability on you, certain managers deliberately shied away from that.

  26. Ishola70

    Dissenter
    “The “nearly” argument for Klopp won’t work this season.
    Same for Poch
    They have to be judged like everyone else; on trophies, preferably the League or CL.”

    I would think the gobby scouse twats wouldn’t give a toss for your ultimatums at this point.

    They will be buzzing. Like it or not big money signings signifies big club and they will be happy enough to be competing in what they expect to be higher stakes now.

    I doubt they will be throwing themselves into the River Mersey if they fail to win the league by a certain number of points.

    Their ambitions will have been increased though. And that is a good thing even if it doesn’t automatically end up in success for them straight away.

    The signs are after being the carbon copy of Arsenal for so long and being the inferior to Arsenal as well that they are now looking to pull away from Arsenal as a football club.

    This is sad for Arsenal.

    Arsenal need to get moving.

  27. Marko

    U can say it without choking. U used 20+ to make it seem like its close.

    Wasn’t sure if it was 25 or not. I didn’t care to check knew it was 20+.

    Klopp fails to win the title this year he has failed at Liverpool

    If he fails to win it in his 3rd full season he’s failed? Keeping in mind that they haven’t won it in over 27 years? Seems fair. Don’t mention the money they’re spending because City and United spend as much or more. How many years you giving Emery before determining if he’s a success or failure?

  28. Receding hairline

    @Cesc appeal

    Is everyone simply taking it for granted that Keita, fabinho and Allison will hit the ground running?

    Remember De Gea in his first season?

    Remember Bakayoko last season?

    You ask if Torriera will take time to adapt but yet simply assume that three players who have not kicked a ball in this league will be great for Liverpool

  29. Ishola70

    Cesc Appeal
    “That’s a bit harsh.”

    It’s jealousy CA.

    All these ultimatums and demands from Arsenal fans on Liverpool lol (how ridiculous it sounds eh Arsenal fans making demands on Liverpool? just smacks of jealousy I’m afraid.

  30. WengerEagle

    It’s simple enough really, Liverpool have made some really top notch ambitious signings in VVD, Keita, Fabinho and Allison that are likely to have a great impact on the first team next season. That’s all people are praising Pool for, nobody is merely lavishing praise on Klopp’s overall stint at the club.

    They’re just giving props to Liverpool’s ambition which is admirable.

    As for our signings, I think that most have praised Torreira, Lichtsteiner and Leno as well as giving Emery the benefit of the doubt on Sokratis even though most have reservations RE his ability.

  31. Marko

    Never saw these standards imposed on Wenger, just excuse after excuse

    Fair play to him for having the balls to make these kinds of signings, it heaps expectation and accountability on you, certain managers deliberately shied away from that.

    Exactly

  32. Cesc Appeal

    That’s a good point, judge a club by the fans, I would imagine Liverpool fans are pretty optimistic and happy right now.

    Arsenal fans for years have been at each other and actually reached a stage of apathy.

    Regardless of whether Emery wins anything this year if we carry on the way we are now and improve, if he can get his ideas across Arsenal fans will be happy.

    The third season for me is where Emery will have to really show something. The first season is undoing Wenger’s total fucking mess and trying to implement foundations, the second season is really starting to build a strong squad making higher level purchases having got back in the UCL and starting to look like challenging, and the third season if having the near complete package with your philosophy stamped onto the team and making an actual go of it with no teething excuses left.

  33. Cesc Appeal

    Ishola

    Especially when certain groups of Arsenal fans have reached expert levels of excuse making, deflection and changing the meaning of success.

    I still remember a pro-Wenger fan on here telling us that we should compare ourselves to Aston Villa and Everton.

  34. Receding hairline

    Yes if this is Emery’s third season at Arsenal it would be the league or bye bye. So I am giving him three years which is generous.

    Klopp has already used up his generosity.. Now it’s time to prove he truly is world class. He wrestled Bayern not he should topple City. He is not exactly lacking players is he?

  35. WengerEagle

    ‘Klopp absolutely has to take another step up this year, he has to at the very least contend for the title all the way, give a good showing in the UCL and should win something.

    For me that would be the minimum.To say if he fails to win the title he has failed is way too high a bar.

    Fair play to him for having the balls to make these kinds of signings, it heaps expectation and accountability on you, certain managers deliberately shied away from that.’

    You have absolutely nailed it here CA, my sentiments exactly.

    Absurd to call Klopp a failure if City pip Liverpool to the title, they are up against a super team despite the terrific strides in recruitment that they have made this summer.

    Gap of 25 points to bridge is monstrous.

  36. Cesc Appeal

    ‘So I am giving him three years which is generous’

    No, 14 years is generous.

    3 years is practical and logical given the context of the situation.

  37. Sancho Monzorla

    Why are people even hating on Klopp here right now anyway? What’s really to complain about his tenure? The CL finals loss? It was still progress, no?

    Again this goes back to so many of us not being upset at the lack of trophies so much as the lack of conscientiousness in how the club were managed during the Wenger era.

  38. Receding hairline

    You all keep pointing to Wenger when many wanted him gone for about a decade now. The fact they don’t show their displeasure with Wenger by revising history does not make their displeasure less than yours.

    All this AKB rubbish is just deflection.

  39. Cesc Appeal

    WE

    It is going to be a really interesting season.

    Liverpool look really good on paper, if they can get Fabinho and Keita to work, with Van Dijk having made a difference, critically if Alisson can solve their GK issues they look really good.

    I think the City and Liverpool game is one every football fan will be waiting for.

  40. Dissenter

    The ultimatums on Liverpool have nothing to do with Wenger.
    Liverpool have broken the world record for transfer fees for central defender and goal keeper …in the same calendar year.
    When are we going to call a spade a spade.
    You don’t spend that type of money to be “nearly” winning a title.

  41. Receding hairline

    I don’t see how you arrive at that conclusion Sancho. I don’t have any expectations, they both arrived with huge reputations… I will just watch and see if that reputation is warranted.

    Same way I have no expectations on Torriera and absolutely zero faith in Sokratis..I think he is a bad signing.

  42. WengerEagle

    CA

    Yep, still, think that they lack depth in the forward line as Solanke and Ings are both appalling options. Who knows, maybe Klopp will give Sturridge one last roll of the dice? Although i think that his legs are gone personally, as well as his mental game.

    Shaqiri if they can keep his ego in check is a perfect squad option as well as Lallana, shame for them about Oxlade.

    Besides that they look very strong indeed, Klopp clearly wants to add another creative midfielder with their pursuit of Fekir so we’ll see what happens there.

    Expecting a two horse tussle between City and Liverpool, would fancy City to come out on top over the full season because of their stronger squad but who knows really, they’ll push them close.

    After that it’s open season for the remaining 2 CL spots between ourselves, United, Spurs and Chelsea. With the addition of another forward I would fancy ourselves and United to complete the top four pipping Spurs out.

  43. Cesc Appeal

    ‘You don’t spend that type of money to be “nearly” winning a title.’

    City have also spent a fortune with Guardiola on top of the fortune that City have already spent over the past few years. They also have one of the best managers going who is likely regarded by most as better than Klopp.

    Therefore if Liverpool nearly win the title but are beaten by City and not by a large margin you can’t say that is a failure of a season.

    Ridiculously high standard.

  44. WengerEagle

    Dissenter

    Difference is a season isn’t measured by success/failure based on winning the league alone, if it was 5 out of the top 6 would constitute every season as a failure.

    Klopp and Liverpool clearly are shooting for the league but if they push City extremely close and get pipped by 2-5 points in the end, how could you qualify that as a failure? Considering the gap last season was 25 points.

  45. Dissenter

    Pep wasn’t given a pass when city floundered in his first season.
    The media jumped all over him suggesting that he didn’t have historically dominant club to ride on.

    Klopp would have had three complete seasons by the end of 2018-2019 to work his magic, that combined with spending on very good players.

  46. Receding hairline

    Cesc can u put a number on what you mean by high Margin?

    And also will u consider challenging city and ending with no silverware as success. There are three trophies up for grabs domestically…you can deride the other two all u like but it still gives something to the fans. No one remembers who challenged for the title in what year.

  47. Cesc Appeal

    WE

    I agree.

    Salah, Firmino, Mane is a great front line but past that they do lack a bit of depth and are going to need Keita to step in with a few goals as well as players like Shaqiri etc.

    They could do with finding a reasonably priced young ST with potential. I’m still not completely sold on Firmino as a ST either, don’t know why, just think they would be better with someone else up there.

    I think Spurs might have issues this year. Another season with minimal changes, things get stale after a while and the side itself starts to believe it will just stay in one position. Add to that the stadium move and World Cup fatigue and I think they might struggle a bit this year.

    Really do not know with Chelsea, they look a mess right now.

    As far as we go I think we will improve but it will be a bit all over the place this year. Emery will be working the team out as he goes so it is a real development year this year. I think people underestimate the mess Wenger left as well. We’ve spent £70 Million just trying to put in place an adequate foundation and have total restructured the club trying to do the same.

  48. Dissenter

    Cesc
    “Ridiculously high standard.”

    That my friend is the burden of managing a top club that has spend mega transfer fees on excellent players.

    We all used to insist Wenger was avoiding responsibility by not spending so that expectations aren’t heightened.
    Why is the standard different for Klopp?

  49. Sancho Monzorla

    The media do the job they are paid to do, objectively speaking you really think Pep is a failure for not winning the first season? He didn’t even have the squad he wanted, as expensive as it was.

    Time for Redtruth to chime in with how much Pep stinks.

  50. Dissenter

    Wenger eagle
    If Liverpool lose the title on the last day of the season, surely those will be mitigating factors.

  51. Ishola70

    Receding Hairline

    “No one remembers who challenged for the title in what year.”

    Unless you have the memory of a goldfish everyone should remember which certain teams were better than others though in one given season.

    Winning an FA Cup or Caraboo Cup but finishing 15 points behind a team in the EPL who doesn’t win the title doesn’t make you a better team than them.

    Of course you can pretend to be the better team of course.

  52. WengerEagle

    ‘Why is the standard different for Klopp?’

    Don’t know why you’re being deliberately obtuse.

    Nobody was mad at Wenger for not winning league titles in the dark years, it was the fact that we weren’t even competing for them, which is all anybody asked for from a club of our stature and resources given the incredibly difficult nature to beat out the surrounding competition over a 38 match campaign.

    If Klopp has Liverpool pushing City to the wire, you cannot constitute that as failing.

  53. Champagne charlie

    “I still don’t get how Klopp is being judged on 8 years of spending when he’s only been there 3 years. “

    The spending was compared over that time period because you came out with the ridiculous statement that “CL qualification was success for them”. Despite calling it bare minimum for Arsenal in the same time period.

    I highlighted how they spent more in that same time period and asked why Arsenal getting top 4 under Wenger wasn’t success, but was for Liverpool. Something you never answered.

  54. Cesc Appeal

    ‘Why is the standard different for Klopp?’

    Its not different.

    First off, there is no comparable because Wenger lacked the balls to actually spend big and to was too scared to make big changes to his squad or backroom team.

    Liverpool have given themselves a great chance of winning the title, now Klopp has to go out there and do it. The goal will be the league, you won’t hear them talking about top 4 is a trophy etc, but to win the EPL is ridiculously hard and they are up against City who have spent an absolute fortune over the last 8 years and have the best manager around who has also spent an absolute fortune and who will also consider it a failure if he doesn’t win the title.

    Far too simplistic to say Klopp has failed if he doesn’t win the title, it will be disappointing given the spend and progression last year but failure without the context of the season is way to simplistic.

    If they push City all the way, do well in the UCL again and win a trophy I think Liverpool fans will be happy and could care less about bitter Arsenal fans saying ‘Klopp failed’.

    If that isn’t the standard for their success I don’t know what is.

  55. Marko

    Yes if this is Emery’s third season at Arsenal it would be the league or bye bye. So I am giving him three years which is generous.

    You gave Wenger 14…why? Then you say no excuses for Klopp he’s got the players after making a point about how you do not know if Keita and Fabinho and Alisson will hit the ground running. You’re kind of all over the place does he have no excuse or some excuse

  56. WengerEagle

    Of course people remember title challengers, ridiculous comment.

    Keegan is still famed for that meltdown in Newcastle’s title challenge over 2 decades on.

  57. Dissenter

    Wenger Eagle,
    Not being obtuse, just disagreeing with you all logically.
    I think the Liverpool narrative ends to dominate the media somewhat.
    Liverpool have broken two world transfer records for central defender and goal keeper in one calendar year. Why shouldn’t we apply the pressure cuff on them like we do for other big spending clubs.
    I like Klopp as much as anyone here.
    Will you call Klopp’s tenure at Liverpool a success if he departs in 2021 with another 5-8 more final-losing medals?
    At some point you have the win something tangible.

  58. Champagne charlie

    Weagle

    I’ll ask you the same I asked Marko earlier..

    What would you score Klopp for his time in charge of Liverpool to date?

    I said a 7/10
    Guardiola a 9/10
    Conte an 8/10

    I’ve not seen anyone suggest Klopp hasn’t improved Liverpool, but that’s not being argued. Myself and some others have said he’s fallen short of “success” to date despite any improvement. Further noting after this past year of spending the goal is clear – challenge for the premier league title.

    Forget next season where everyone seems in agreement that they should be challenging at least. Why shouldn’t they have done better last season after a 150 mil investment and almost two seasons in England? Are you and others suggesting we shouldn’t expect a title challenge until 3 years down the line? Really?

  59. Marko

    When are we going to call a spade a spade.
    You don’t spend that type of money to be “nearly” winning a title

    They’re still competing against a club who spends 150 million on full backs (City) and United who spent 92 million on Pogba and potentially 90 million for Lukaku

  60. Cesc Appeal

    It is all about trajectory.

    If Liverpool fans get to May and feel they have progressed again and have taken another step up they will be happy.

    It really is that simple. They could give a fuck what other fans say.

    I will be feeling the same if with UCL money, new kit money, new commercial money etc Arsenal make a few £40 Million plus signings next summer and end up third but I saw real progression from this season. Could not care less what Spurs fans would be saying because I would believe our trajectory was up.

  61. Ishola70

    Receding

    I remember teams who impress me either by the football they play or if they do much better than expected in any given competition.

    I doubt that there are that many that could give you in a couple of minutes the last ten winners of the FA Cup.

    Even less so Craboo Cup.

  62. Receding hairline

    Brendan Rodgers has come closer to winning the league than Klopp with an inferior Liverpool side…where is the love and adulations for him. I mean coming close is a success right?

    Marko I did not give Wenger 14 years..contrary to your beliefs I was not responsible for his long stay as Arsenal manager. If I was I won’t be here exchanging words with u

  63. Cesc Appeal

    It really does smack as bitter, this loser Wenger idea that spending is the enemy, spending is cheating.

    Klopp is doing his basic job as a manager and so are the Liverpool hierarchy. Giving Liverpool the best possible chance of success with the resources they have. Hopefully Emery, Gazidis, Mislintat and Sanellhi have the same balls.

  64. Ishola70

    Can’t remember some domestic cup finals per se because believe it or not one off games can be crap final or not let alone the winners of said shit final.

  65. WengerEagle

    Dissenter

    Obviously not, he he to win the league title I’m not saying that he doesn’t.

    But expecting it next season and defining him based off of that is short-sighted given the immense gap that City had between themselves and the rest of the league last season.

    You’re seriously underestimating that, they are the best PL side EVER ffs.

  66. Marko

    The spending was compared over that time period because you came out with the ridiculous statement that “CL qualification was success for them”. Despite calling it bare minimum for Arsenal in the same time period.

    Never said anything about bare minimum. And again champions league consistency is success for a club who’s been in and out of the competition for years. For example two years in the Europa league if Emery comes along in the next two seasons and gets consistent champions league football it will be a success.

    I highlighted how they spent more in that same time period and asked why Arsenal getting top 4 under Wenger wasn’t success, but was for Liverpool. Something you never answered.

    I did. I said that more was expected of us after the success of the early 2000’s and because of the stadium move and all that was promised with it. Expectations for Liverpool and Spurs especially in the league for many years has been less

  67. WengerEagle

    CC

    Not at all, even in two seasons it would be a much fairer expectation as Keita, Fabinho, VVD and Allison would all have had a full season of PL football under their belt and you’d imagine that they will at least close the 25 point gap on City considerably.

    So far I would say that Klopp has bought well, has Liverpool playing some excellent football and looking better than they have in a long time barring that one season under Bodgers where Suarez was in God mode.

    But I would stop short of calling him a success just yet because at a club as big as Liverpool, you have to be competing for league titles at the very least and he has yet to do that.

    So yeah about seven out of ten for me as well given the circumstances, would have been eight if they beat Real Madrid and lifted the CL.

  68. Marko

    Myself and some others have said he’s fallen short of “success” to date despite any improvement

    Who’s success though yours? What does that matter though you’re an Arsenal fan. Wenger has fallen way short for longer and I’ve never seen you this animated about terms of success

  69. WengerEagle

    ‘and needed a player to have a freak goal scoring season to do that.’

    And in the very next post:

    ‘Brendan Rodgers has come closer to winning the league than Klopp with an inferior Liverpool side’

    Yep, shite side. Wasn’t like they had a prime Luis Suarez, Daniel Sturridge, Sterling and Steven Gerrard or anything…

  70. Receding hairline

    @Cesc appeal

    Well Klopp did sat just two seasons ago that even if he had the chance to spend big he would rather do things differently.

    I mean he said it himself so no one is being bitter. We are simply saying that with thr most expensive keeper and defender in the world.. Coupled with CM,s who have been called the best in Europe by some and that front three he has enough to topple City.

  71. Receding hairline

    Eagle are u then saying we should give the same amount if credit we give klopp to Brendan seeing as that both had freak players and only one if them has actually challenged for the title?

  72. WengerEagle

    We haven’t even competed for a league title in TEN years so it’s hilarious that people on here are now turning their noses up at anything less than winning the league.

    Especially given that the most free-scoring juggernaut that the PL has ever seen just won the league by a record points margin winning THIRTY TWO matches.

  73. Marko

    Well Klopp did sat just two seasons ago that even if he had the chance to spend big he would rather do things differently.

    The markets change big time in the last two years. And he can’t be blamed for the transfer fees and what not. God forbid he does a Wenger and refuses to budge on HIS valuations of players and dithers and moans about buying players. We should commend Klopp and Liverpool. Had problems in DM CB and goalkeeper positions and they’ve addressed them with quality. Like real quality not like signing Cech or persisting with Almunia or buying Mustafi after being linked with Loic Perrin or Mertesacker for 10 million or persisting with Denilson and signing Xhaka instead of Kante. Commendable

  74. WengerEagle

    RH

    Firstly Klopp also took Liverpool to the CL Final, something you neglected to mention.

    Secondly, you’re being very selective in your memory here, Bodgers was widely lauded for that season to the point it took a disastrous following campaign which culminated in Liverpool getting humiliated Wenger-style in Gerrard’s last game for the club at Stoke to ruin his reputation.

  75. Marko

    Eagle are u then saying we should give the same amount if credit we give klopp to Brendan seeing as that both had freak players and only one if them has actually challenged for the title?

    Brenda was giving credit for that season. Then got worse and left

  76. Redtruth

    The League Cup Winners for the past 20 years have been tge usual suspects.

    Liverpool-3 times
    Chelsea- 4 times
    Man Utd- 4times
    Msn City-3 times
    Spurs- 2 times.

  77. WengerEagle

    Haha, knew that Malcom wasn’t heading to Everton. Why would he sign for that sinking ship.

    Wants to move to Italy as per his agent, between Roma and Inter Milan.

  78. Sancho Monzorla

    Hairline

    “I bet you can provide a comprehensive list off the top of your head of all the teams who have finished 2nd since 1992.”

    Can you even name all the winners? I doubt it, I doubt many can.

    Anyways runners up are recorded for posterity in the only place it matters now: Wikipedia.

  79. Sancho Monzorla

    This is ridiculous. Klopp says something against big money transfers as a bit of banter, when his club were nowhere on any top player’s radar…and he’s expected to live by that comment as the manager of a football club? He’s suppose to say no I’ll take the cheap shit player when he’s able to sign someone of high value? Who in their right mind would turn down good football players when the club is able to afford them and they are willing to come?

  80. WengerEagle

    Alright Red christ, we all know that you’re in your 60s already.

    You miss the good ol’ days of the swinging 60s where all your old favourites were in tight short-shorts and had a full mane of hair and a paedo/pornstar stache.

    Just kick on your slippers and dust off the old VCR tapes of the West Germany glory days.

  81. Champagne charlie

    Marko

    No success isn’t being defined by just myself you dimwit. I literally pulled you up for stating his 4th place finishes were success whilst ours were not.

    Highlighting your flip-flopping nature. I’ve already stated success in the arena they’re operating is challenging for the title. You’re happy to dilute the criteria when it’s another Manager/Club though which is a bit odd.

    Very simple I don’t think Klopp has been successful at Liverpool to date, merely improved the shit show from the previous two managers. It’d be like claiming Emery is a success just by virtue of him doing some stuff better than Wenger, nah he’s a success when/if we challenge for the league and no sooner.

    If we finish 4th, splash the cash and do the exact same the following season I’m asking questions of Emery. I don’t think that’s unreasonable, but do that with Klopp and it’s like someone’s slapped your mum.

  82. TonyD

    Wenger being strongly sought by Japan’s national team. With their culture, it’s the perfect place for such a narcissist.

    Apparently Japan want him for a long term deal.

    Looks like he’s found his level.

  83. gonsterous

    I come on here everyday and its the same old wenger in vs Wenger out. I wish I could just ignore it and not come online till the start of the season but alas, I have no life…

  84. gonsterous

    marko

    Course you can Red. You’re stuck in that decade

    lol, I bet that put down sent RT to sleep…

  85. Black Hei

    TonyD

    “With their culture, it’s the perfect place for such a narcissist.”

    I really don’t know how you are going to backtrack out of this.

  86. mysticleaves

    “Nobody was mad at Wenger for not winning league titles in the dark years, it was the fact that we weren’t even competing for them, ”

    Yet I kept hearing 14 years without a title. Klopp even if he competes next year and loses by 2-5 points for the next 3 years will then get to 6 years without a title. I doubt they will be “he competed” jail card.

    Klopp is a hack who has lost 6 finals albeit being a tactician. Please what does this tactics actually do? When he doesn’t upset the cart with it?

  87. Black Hei

    WE

    He is not in his sixties. He is a troll and technically immortal since he can always regenerate himself.

  88. Michael24

    Wengers whining to the media this week about his regrets beggars belief.

    The guy deserves no sympathy.

    A complete and utter embarrassment to himself .

    Do it your way Unai and keep the fumigation team working around the clock to eradicate the stench of negativity that Wenger created.

  89. Michael24

    TonyD

    “Looks like he’s found his level”

    Couldn’t agree more.

    But what’s the culture thing all about?

  90. mysticleaves

    Great comment section 7amkickoff have. Everyone disagreeing civilly. Le grove is my favorite Arsenal blog but I wish Pedro will revise some things and be more hands on.

    Bit difficult when you have an everyday job though

  91. Sanmi

    Redtruth
    Yes that season we lost to Chelsea in 10th twice, but we beat Leicester the winner twice.
    And point tally at the end of the season doesn’t tell you story of competition. With Leicester we competed till April, stop this nonsense revising that we stopped competing by January. Remember when we best Leicester at the emirate, the odds were in our favour to catch them.

  92. Sanmi

    My suggestion is to copy redcafe blog comments section, so we can track replies and comments. Where each comment being replied can be quoted

  93. Wallace

    City under Pep are next level. any other year and the team Klopp’s put together would be clear favourites for the title. as it is within 10pts of City come the end of the season and they’ll have done well.

  94. Wallace

    38 32 4 2 106 27 +79 100pts

    while playing with two #10s and an undersized DM in the midfield, and full backs who spent 90% of the game in the opposition’s half. unheard of.

  95. mysticleaves

    Sammi I would suggest a thumb up and down button under a post as per arseblog. But Where a negative count of 15-20 deletes the post or sensors it.

  96. gonsterous

    mystic

    if a comment disappears when getting a certain amount of dislikes, it stops being an opinion blog and just a blog catering to the needs of a certain group of people.. bad for business…

  97. mysticleaves

    Wallace That’s the magic of Pep. If we had that make up of midfield and attack people will be screaming “imbalance and lightweight”.

    That’s why I always stand with CC when he says to Marko that Emery could extract more from our current crop.

  98. mysticleaves

    There are blogs like that gonsterous. Talking shit is different from pandering to a certain group of people. Everybody can respect people’s POV civilly but when a poster starts stereotyping it becomes displeasing and hurtful to the eyes.

  99. mysticleaves

    In business I believe in setting standards. It will attract like minded individuals and partners.

  100. TitsMcGee

    Fair play to Liverpool. They are doing what any big club should do. Try to win. At the end of the day I think that’s all fans care about really. Trying to win.

    Wengey-poo was trying to keep his job by minimal expenditures in the summer TW while he could get away with it. The bottom fell out of that strategy when Spurs and Liverpool got their act together and he was forced to actually build a proper squad to finish top 4. The rest is history.

  101. Emiratesstroller

    If you want to see the decline in Arsenal’s status here are the current european squad valuations according to Transfermarkt of the top 12 clubs

    Barcelona £1.05 bn
    Man C £961.65m
    Chelsea £868.73m
    Real Madrid £861.30m
    Liverpool £823.50m
    Bayern Munich £791.69m
    Juventus £777.15m
    Man Utd £765.90m
    PSG £765.27m
    Spurs £751.05m
    Ath Mad £713.70m
    Arsenal £524.43m

    So we are ranked 12th by valuation and far detached from Athletico Madrid in
    11th place.

    It reflects the poor investment in transfer market over several years under
    Messrs Kroenke and Gazidis.

  102. TitsMcGee

    What fans loved him for at the start of his stint that being robust defending became less favourable over time when he kept on giving away unnecessary freekicks in dangerous areas and selling himself.”

    Could say the same thing for Kolasinac and most players we signed. Hit the ground running for a few weeks and then spiraled into mediocrity.

  103. TonyD

    Michael24
    The Japanese revere leaders, and Wenger will be seen as a leader. They will be bowing to his every whim and word. It’s more complicated than tha,t but you get the gist.

    Wenger being the manipulator he is will be in his element.

    He was idolised for his achievements at Grampus Eight although that was finishing 2nd and winning their main cup. As they were bottom of the league when Wenger arrived the only was was up.

    However, the Japanese are not very forgiving and are generally a driven race.

    So he will have to be seen as delivering results or he will have to fall on his sword or Tanto Katana as I believe they are called.

    Going to be in Okinawa in October so will be interesting to see what’s going on.

    Japan is a very cool country to visit for anyone thinking of going.

  104. Pierre

    Why are people on here still talking about wenger (slagging him off) all the time. …. Let the obsession go, It’s time to move on.

    In this mornings comments, He’s
    “a narcissist”
    “a total embarrassment”
    “inadequate football coach”

    Whether It’s true or not is irrelevant.

    Maybe there should be a competition on here to find the worst (or best) negative comment about wenger they can think of.

  105. TonyD

    Add master Machiavellian manipulator to the list Pierre.

    His recent ‘Poor me’ interview was pathetic.

  106. TonyD

    Didn’t you understand the word ‘pathetic’ then Pierre.

    Any self respecting businessman has read Machiavelli & Sun Tzu plus several others.

    Hows the crazy golf in Eastbourne, your handicap any better? Didn’t I read you play on a little course on the south coast?

  107. Pierre

    Now let me see…

    What would I prefer to be doing at my time of life…
    Out in the sun and fresh air playing golf 5 times a week (not in eastbourne), followed by a couple of drinks in the club house (maybe even a meal) or spend 4 hours reading up on Machiavelli and sun tzu and several others.

    No contest….

  108. Michael24

    Sanmi

    Sorry my friend, you mean the day we beat ten man Leicester with a 95th minute winner from DW?

    We closed the gap to two points that day but, as per usual, flattered to deceive, and fell away.

    Many Arsenal fans, myself included, were egging Leicester on that season as we knew what was going to happen and were fed up with the predictability of it all.

  109. Michael24

    TonyD

    You’re right, I get it.

    They’ll still see him as being this great leader and Wenger will drink in the adulation.

    As you said, he’ll be in his element.

  110. Michael24

    TonyD

    I see you as this worldly travel advisor.

    Always interesting to hear your comments and input on things.

    Keep up the good work because, to be honest, diamond formations and playing in the hole, can become a bit boring after a while.

    Cheers.

  111. Emiratesstroller

    Whilst subjective stats such as I published earlier today do not reflect always
    an accurate picture of a football club’s status it does show that Arsenal are no
    longer ranked as serious competitors in the top echelons of English Game as
    well as in European Football.

    There are five clubs in EPL who are on paper and also in performance rated significantly better than us and that is reflected in the valuation of their squad.

    Spurs with a fraction of our financial clout at least until this season have managed to put together a squad which is valued almost £200 million more than
    ours.

    Whether we bridge the gap next season is debatable. Arsenal have recruited
    since January seven new players. Three of these are now in their 30s and have
    been recruited for experience rather than any genuine uplift in performance.

    We have recruited two others in Leno and Torreira who may add value to our
    starting eleven this season, although neither is a genuine world class player.

    The two youngsters recruited may be talented, but have been recruited for potential.

  112. TonyD

    Pierre
    You use Nintendo or PS4 for your golf?

    As for me, I’d rather be making money and the benefits and good things in life that affords me and my family.

    Good, though, you can fit in all that golf when you haven’t retired yet. You must have a very understanding boss or do you caddy? I believe you recently said that you still have 2 years before retirement.

  113. gambon

    “It reflects the poor investment in transfer market over several years under
    Messrs Kroenke and Gazidis.”

    Lol, just cant bring yourself to accept who was really at fault.

    Mr “its not possible to sign players in a world cup year”

    Mr “Im taking my cheque book to the Euros”

    Mr “Hair growth pills are causing injuries”

  114. gambon

    “City under Pep are next level. any other year and the team Klopp’s put together would be clear favourites for the title. as it is within 10pts of City come the end of the season and they’ll have done well.”

    For once I agree with Wallace.

  115. Pierre

    Tony
    “As for me, I’d rather be making money and the benefits and good things in life that affords me and my family.”

    Say no more..

    I would rather have my health than a pot of money in the bank.

    Try watching the Harry Enfield” I’m incredibly richer than you “character.

    That’s you…..

  116. TonyD

    Good to see you biting Pierre.

    All good fun and you do love the wind up

    Not about being rich, it’s about quality of life and what each individual is happy to accept as the level they want to live at.

    Maybe less time on the golf course and working harder and you’d be able to afford a season ticket and travel to all the games home and abroad.

    My point is you are happy with your life and, if you’ve really found happiness you are content with, then you are a rich person for that.

    I’ll never retire as long as I enjoy what I do. I tried retiring and it just didn’t work for me. It’s the same for many of my friends around the world.

    Just the way were are made, Pierre. Would be boring if we were all the same.