Milan raid our corporate team? | Wenger revelations in superb interview

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Say what?

Our CEO is a transfer target for AC Milan?

You have GOT to be kidding me!

Look, I’m game for Gazidis being a good CEO, I’ve mostly defended him over the last few years because it was apparent his vision of the club could never be recognised under the power grip of Arsene Wenger. I never really bought into the view that we needed a football CEO at the club, and everything I hoped he’d do as a true leader, he has done (the plan hasn’t worked yet, worth noting that).

We’re basically 8 months into an Ivan Gazidis Arsenal. He’s brought in the right experts, he’s swept out the dross, he’s opened up the coffers, he’s empowered the right people and he’s made a pretty solid move for a new manager (maybe a touch safe).

Now Milan want a piece of him?

A club with an opaque ownership setup. A club the breached FFP and got booted from the Europa League. In Italy? I mean, the Italy part is pretty sweet. You can’t knock that place. I’d move there.

Back to the point… I’m really quite doubtful he’d want to leave Arsenal after 10 years, just as he’s shaping the club in his own vision. Now, I don’t want to speak about things I don’t know, but hey, I do it everyday, so fuck decorum… but my guess here would be that even though Milan is a beauty of a club, there are a number of risks associated here.

  • It’s a volatile club, you have next to no job security
  • It takes a lot of stress to shape a broken club
  • Serie A is the 4th biggest League in Europe (I think France is now 3rd biggest for TV revenue)
  • No one goes to the ground in Italy
  • He is LOVING the PR he’s getting for his reputation at Arsenal
  • He’s already the richest CEO in world football
  • The owner doesn’t give a fuck about Arsenal, so there’s no interference like he’d get at Milan
  • London is fucking cool and I think he has a youngish daughter who is college age, so a move would be disruptive
  • He needs to prove to the fanbase he’s not a fraud

The rumour feels a bit like Wenger>Madrid back in the day. Maybe he’s agitating for a pay bump?

There’s a pretty fucking amazing interview with Wenger on RTL. On his biggest mistake:

‘Perhaps staying at the same club for 22 years. I’m someone who likes to move around a lot, but I also like a challenge. I’ve been a prisoner of my own challenge at times.’

AMAZING LINE. I agree.

On his darkest sin, which I thought was going to be women.

‘My taste for patisseries. I’m from Strasbourg. I eat them every day.’

On music:

‘I love Bob Marley. He’s pure class, in a chill kind of way. And his music was surprising for back then. Also, there’s something so sad about the fact he died at 35. He loved sport, music… for me Jamaica reminds me of that. Sport and music go together very well I find.’

On being invincible:

‘Effectively we were unbeaten for a year and a half. 49 games. It’s an interesting detail because when we won the title in 2002 I told the press my dream was to win the title unbeaten.’

‘I got lambasted as pretentious, arrogant etcetera. We lost the title the next season to Manchester United. In 2003/04, I asked the players why we didn’t win the title. They said, ‘it’s your fault’. I asked why.’

‘They said: ‘you put too much pressure on us.’ And it’s interesting because I told them the only reason I said it was because I truly believed it. And then they did it. Which proves two things.’

‘One, sometimes we don’t put the level of ambition high enough. We don’t dare, we’re scared. But you must set the bar as high as possible. Two, sometimes you must plant the seed and wait for it to grow.’

Now, I love the bottom line. I truly believe you can do achieve whatever you want if you have a plan, a sense of entitlement and a lot of luck. Arsene completely beat that out of the club after we moved ground. He used money to excuse everything, and the fans lapped it up. He created a boogey monster out of wealth, and gave up trying to find ways to win. He didn’t change anything. He had a recipe that worked, when it stopped, the only variable he thought changed was cash. He waited 10 years to prove that more wages and bigger transfer budgets would be a solve, then the world realised football had passed him by.

As fans, we allowed that nonsense to pass because we weren’t ambitious. We trusted Wenger and we shouldn’t have. We couldn’t see what was right in front of our eyes… or worse, we could, but we didn’t want to believe it. We allowed amateur idiots to cocoon us with utter drivel, linking our lack of positivity to performance. The real negativity came from the fans who thought we’d crumble without Arsene, and that’s the absolute irony of it all. The people who made you feel good about Arsenal were the real frauds, because, within 7 months, we’ve made more progress than we have in 14 years.

Imagine if Wenger had changed tact? Hired in the best fitness coaches on the planet. Picked off young coaches from Germany that could bring a pressing system to the club along with dynamic tactical thinking. Imagine if he’d fired Steve Rowley and brought in a Sven like body in 06? Imagine if he’d opened his eyes to video analysis. Imagine if we’d run a wage bill that was 40% lighter so we could have a cash surplus to buy players with? So many terrible mistakes.

Instead, Wenger reframed success to be something lesser. He lowered the bar, convinced the fans that the world was unfair and sold us a richer tomorrow that would fix the misery.

What a waste of 10 years. Now we have a doer who is going to have to be accountable, and that’s why we’re all very excited.

My biggest issue with Wenger is he talks an incredible game, but nothing lines up. He’s a winner who isn’t curious about solving problems. He’s an economist who failed to understand inflation. He was an accountant who didn’t understand the diminishing returns of cash in the bank. He’s a scholar of the game couldn’t see emerging trends of better coaches. He was a futurist that lived in the past.

But he’s gone now, so I should stop talking about it.

Full transcript here.

See you in the comments x

 

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  1. Marko

    So you want a winger to beat a defender, get to the byline and put the ball in the box..
    And in the box will be aubamayang, not exactly an alan shearer when attacking the ball with his head is he…
    So next you will say aubamayang is not good enough as he is not getting on the end of these crosses that this amazing winger is putting in and we should go and buy a Big lump to compliment our new amazing winger.

    Pierre you dummy you must have missed that season where Aubameyang scored 40 goals and Dembele was brilliant as a winger setting him up. Do your homework

  2. KAY Boss

    “it takes a lot of stress to shape a broken club”. which we find ours in (not entirely broken though).

    ” we don’t put the level of ambition high enough. we don’t dare, we’re scared. but you must set the bar as high as possible”. 20003/2004 season Wenger did that but afterwards he went contrary to the above statement. A legend,yes! but as he said he should have been here for 22yrs.

  3. Marko

    No way Gazidis leaves especially after the power struggle and getting Wenger sacked. I mean I wish he would but he won’t

  4. Goongoonergone

    “He was a futurist that lived in the past.”
    What a paradox!
    Good old Wenger, still waxing lyrical.
    If only Wenger has listened to Bob Marley singing: “Hypocrite, oh you hypocrite, you gonna pay the price someday” , before the old fool was fired.
    Ah, but hindsight is a perfect science.

  5. Pierre

    Dimmer and dimmer (that’s marko and gambon) think that we can go and spend a fortune on a couple of wingers.. No point in just having one is there if you want to have balance in the team……

    They haven’t said how they would finance it though…. Would probably need to sell half of the squad…

  6. Guns of SF

    I actually liked Wenger interview.
    I think that the realization now that he is gone is hitting him. Not many coaches would be so candid. Still hate his ass. but at least he is being forthright about his falacies

  7. Rambo Ramsey

    “Now, I don’t want to speak about things I don’t know, but hey, I do it everyday, so fuck decorum…”

    Gotta love Pedro 🙂

  8. Marko

    One, sometimes we don’t put the level of ambition high enough. We don’t dare, we’re scared. But you must set the bar as high as possible. Two, sometimes you must plant the seed and wait for it to grow.’

    He went a good 10 years without any ambition

  9. Marko

    They haven’t said how they would finance it though…. Would probably need to sell half of the squad…

    Sell Ozil for sure

  10. Bamford10

    Santi

    “The western worlds advanced bcos of monoculture. All these diversity nonsense won’t work.”

    “Only millenials with blinders on will advocate multiculturalism. 2 DISTINCT cultures can’t co-exist. I repeat. One will have to be exterminate.”

    Ignorant, backwards and ahistorical nonsense.

    No idea where this guy is from, but modern advanced societies have been multi-cultural for centuries (if not millennia) now.

  11. Marc

    Pierre

    Hate to tell you this but we played a lopsided midfield under Wenger that was pretty successful.

    Not that you’d ever let facts get in the way.

  12. Pierre

    Marko
    “Sell Ozil for sure”

    Why not…. I’m sure one of your amazing wingers will create more chances than ozil since he’s been at the club…… Or will they.

  13. China

    Diversity won’t work?

    I’m a brit happily married to a chinese with a mixed race child.

    Before suggesting that my marriage and child ‘can’t work’, kindly go fuck yourself

  14. Bamford10

    Bravo to France, btw. They didn’t play fabulous or even entertaining football, but they were loaded with talent and athleticism and they were well-organized, disciplined and motivated.

    One of the better tweets I saw summed up the final as follows: “France: better collection of players. Croatia: better team.”

    Which isn’t to say France weren’t a very good team, but Croatia were remarkably unified, organized, etc. Wasn’t enough in the end.

    Mbappe demonstrated, of course, that he is a great, great talent. To me he will be one of the top three strikers in the world for some time to come.

  15. Pierre

    Marc
    So are you saying that Emery should copy wengers ingenious(or was it luck) tactical plan of playing an unbalanced midfield

  16. Danny S

    I really despise that chances created stat. People cling to it and spout it like it means something.
    Quality not quantity.

  17. Bamford10

    We do have some slow players (Sokratis, Xhaka) and this could prove a problem at times, but for the moment I wouldn’t worry too much about this. If we sign another CM, Xhaka may not even be a starter, and Emery can only address so many issues in this first window. For me it’s clear that he is trying to change the mentality in the squad and is adding steel and experience and grit, and one has to like what we’ve seen from his approach to training so far.

    Much to be happy about.

  18. Moe

    Bam is back………..how sorely you were missed last week with all the Altright propaganda on here camouflaged as conservative gibberish.

  19. Pierre

    Danny s
    “I really despise that chances created stat.”

    What you mean is you really despise ozil… It annoys you because you need evidence that he is lazy and useless but the stats tell you something different.

  20. Cesc Appeal

    ‘My biggest issue with Wenger is he talks an incredible game, but nothing lines up. He’s a winner who isn’t curious about solving problems. He’s an economist who failed to understand inflation. He was an accountant who didn’t understand the diminishing returns of cash in the bank. He’s a scholar of the game couldn’t see emerging trends of better coaches. He was a futurist that lived in the past’

    Great stuff, Pedro.

  21. Danny S

    No I really don’t like the stat. The ‘chance’ can be anything from a 40yard pop to an attempt at angle from the byeline. It doesn’t mean the player has put the ball on the shooters toe 6 yards out.

    And no I don’t rate Ozil at all. I’d rather have a player that really thinks about a pass, can make a run or even choose between shooting himself rather than just dink a speculative ball to a player who is further up the field than them.

    I hope Emery can do something with him though. Maybe find a way to enthuse him so we get the Pre contract Ozil back, who actually had some drive.

  22. steve

    Every player left in the squad signed by Wenger should be sold. Get rid of the loser culture. Ozil is the worst culprit.

  23. Marko

    Why not…. I’m sure one of your amazing wingers will create more chances than ozil since he’s been at the club…… Or will they

    Score more too

  24. Denisk Birdkampf

    Don’t really see an issue of Auba playing wide left if he’s netting goals, and the combo of laca and him is combining to a greater total than either separately. It’s not a huge square peg round hole issue, he’s played there a fair bit, it’s where Klopp deployed him on a number of occasions, and he got a good return. It’s easy to say he would score more centrally, but not really the point, the point is who would score more than him from a left wing position. (This is if Laca performs centrally of course, or if it’s even the plan to play both)

    Saying all that I do think we could do with a dribbler, been saying for a while we should go all out for Pulisic.

  25. Dissenter

    Pedro
    You do write very well, I have to say.
    How do you come up with these fantastic lines.
    I bet you got yourself some ganja-laced pastries during your Denver stop-over, then you got some Peronis and made this post happen.

    Excellent post.

  26. McBright is Wright

    So less than 3months after leaving Arsenal, mr Wenger is gumbling about “mistake?”…about Regrets…pains…turning back the hand of time…Blah..blah…blah!
    suddenly he realized he wasted a legacy, but kept just the memories.
    All of a sudden, he has seen the light that blighted his perception.
    Now he feels pain of regret?
    For over 10years, i was in pains of defeats, I suffered emotionally and otherwise; I was subjected to ridicule, mockery, jesting and poked fun at by peers, especially, those little lilies at the Lane; I cried, screamed, and shouted at the top of my voice, but he declined; and the worst of it all, I was severally attacked physically by pro Wenger AKB touts who wanted their “father” to continue even further.
    Mr Wenger, you dont know the meaning of the word: MISTAKE

  27. Guns of Hackney

    Who cares about Gazidis going to Milan? Seriously…he’s a CEO and for a decade, an absolute shit one.

    What an absolute crock.

  28. Pierre

    Mcbright is wright
    “; I was subjected to ridicule, mockery, jesting and poked fun at by peers, especially, those little lilies at the Lane”

    It’s easy enough to shut that lot up.. Just ask em to show us their trophies… Works every time.

    I suppose that’s another thing you despise danny s… Arsenal fans talking about the numerous trophies we won.

  29. Pierre

    Did you know that harry redknapp’s record is on par with pochettinno.

    Not a lot of people know that.

  30. Ivan

    I read this blog 4 a while now (few years) and i come back couse most of time is interesting read and good debates in comment section. Become Arsenal fan @ 13 and now have 35 so it corresponds to Wenger tenure here. Why i write this is beacuse: to my great surprise, when Wenger left i thought things would change 4 the better here same as did 4 our club, but on Le Grove it became worse. Pedro posts quality still but comment section went to shit. Im no akb but this Wenger bashing became so tiresome. Every day there are some AKBs and wobs debating same thing they debated be4 Wenger left. Both sides willfuly ignoring reason in only purpose to prove they point. Dont get me wrong there is still good amount of inteligent and interesting posters here, but theres to much spam generated in bickery and nitpicking that ruin experience for i belive lot of us here.

  31. Sancho Monzorla

    Ivan

    The Wenger bashing isn’t spontaneous. Whenever Wenger is brought up it recently it is usually is in a matter of fact manner, comparing the current regime to how it was for the past decade, even up until the last few months. The difference is staggering. Comments on that fact, I don’t think those are unreasonable.

    It just turns into a shit show when people who willfully ignore facts set out to defend the man. Okay I get it, some people don’t like it when a man is insulted and personally attacked. But if you’re going to defend a man on a blog whose faults were correctly called out long before any other space AFTER HE GOT FIRED for those faults, I think it’s pretty obvious who is causing the tautological conversations around here.

  32. azed

    Shouldn’t judge Sane against a crock of shit defence like Arsenal’s.
    A good defence could easily neutralise Sane.

    10 goals and 15 assists says you are wrong Red.

  33. McBright is Wright

    …” Could’nt have shoved”… i meant.
    @Pierre, i wish i saw the the game at the weekend. But, NO!
    Is summer man!

  34. Leftsidesanch

    Great post Pedro. I suspect Wengers gift of the gab was a big factor in him remaining so long. Constantly selling us the future, and repackaging success led to limited expectations from us and ambition from him and the club.

  35. Leftsidesanch

    At long last the “King” has left the building. I’m really looking forward to the season, and not expecting us to reverse years of squad neglect in one window.

    We need to make the winter window, and next summer really count also.

  36. englandsbest

    There is no dispute that Wenger was a major cause of Arsenal’s decline. But there were other villains, too. The greedy shareholders – Danny & Co – for a start. Having set up the loan for the Emirates, they deserted carrying sacks of gold.

    Possibly even worse, they recommended Stan K as the ideal owner of the Club.

    There were at least two seasons when a relatively small expenditure on two players – a GK, a CB – would probably have won the PL title. Was that Wenger’s whim or Stan’s tight purse strings?

    One good outcome: Arsenal fans have toughened, we know the power we have.

  37. HillWood

    In his interview Wenger also babbles about wanting to meet Moses to discuss religion with him
    Now the World Cup is over I think being sacked by Arsenal is starting to sink in

  38. Jonathan

    Can’t believe for a minute IG would go to AC, the club have nothing but trouble hanging over them since being bought out by the Chinese consortium with at least one member declared bankrupt and fifa chasing them for monies owed. It’s a good talking point but I think you’re right, it’s possibly IG looking for a wage rise if anything

  39. Victorious

    Surely Klopp should be bagging a trophy with such expensive and talented squad in his disposal?how much time should he be given before branded a failure?

    Let’s see if the media will rip into him like they did to a certain Frenchman if he happens to fall short again,highly doubt that though

  40. Marko

    et’s see if the media will rip into him like they did to a certain Frenchman if he happens to fall short again,highly doubt that though

    He’s there 3 years you gobshite and has successive champions league finishes which is huge for a club who’s struggled with consistency in the champions league. Has been closer to a title challenge in 3 years than a certain Frenchman has in 14 years. Has been more successful in Europe than a certain Frenchman has since ’06. You’re very quick to criticize Klopp I haven’t heard you say one bad thing about a certain useless Frenchman. He got sacked Vic deal with it yeah

  41. Redtruth

    Pierre and his ilk were defending why it’s not all about trophies during the barren years now it’s nothing but trophies that matter…. pathetic lol

  42. Marko

    Every expectation that Liverpool should be the major challengers to City this season and beyond. Can you say the same about us? Great squad and they’ve added 4 brilliant players in the last season and a bit in Salah, VVD, Keita and Fabinho. Don’t worry about Klopp Vic

  43. Redtruth

    Pierre and his ilk were defending why it’s not all about winning trophies during the barren years, now it’s all about winning trophies…lol lol lol

  44. Leedsgunner

    Although the price of a player is an indication of quality… it doesn’t always follow.

    £62m for Allison? Really?

    The only reason Allison looks good is because Brazil has been experiencing a dearth of quality keepers.

    Remember it wasn’t that long ago that their number 1 was playing for QPR!

    Allison looks decent, imo, because he’s been fortunate to have little opposition.

    If Allison is worth £62m, imagine how much Dida would have gone for? Or Taffarel?!

    Liverpool likes to spend big because it makes them feel like a big club.

    Let them have their moment in the sun… it won’t last.

  45. Cesc Appeal

    It’s an issue of cyclical mistakes, lack of ambition and lack of effort that meant Wenger got slated. Quite rightfully.

    Klopp started to come in for some stick about his defence before he signed Van Dijk and was rightfully getting some stick for the GK situation.

    Liverpool go into the season having signed Fabinho to help that defence, he bought Van Dijk, brought through Alexander Arnold and they are now trying to throw £70 Million at a GK.

    He should be challenging, but to say Wenger got stick simply for not challenging is so disingenuous.

    Klopp is showing ambition, he’s showing effort and he’s trying to correct issues. Wenger did none of those things.

    Should say I think Klopp has reacted too slowly on the GK issue and could rightfully get criticism for spending £40 Million on Oxlade instead of a GK.

  46. Victorious

    Marko like a moth to a fire

    knew you wouldn’t resist. lol

    Now you come scurry from your little hole because Klopp is been criticized

    Never knew there’s also a trophy for ‘challengers for the title’

    You do know the only yardstick on which a manager is judged is actual trophy won which reads:

    Klopp been at dippers since 2016= ZERO(0) trophy

    Wenger during that period =2 FA cups
    Klopp has also spent much more during said period
    oh now you also count finishing in champions league places as an achievement for Klopp but spite on it for the numerous years arsenal maintained it. your hypocrisy knows no bounds

  47. Cesc Appeal

    Lovren seems to have improved a bit, still drops a mistake every now and then, but with Van Dijk, an emerging Alexander Arnold, Fabinho in front of the defence and a better GK then Liverpool should be over their defensive issues.

    On paper, that Liverpool side should be doing big things next year.

    Fabinho, Keita, Oxlade has potential as a middle to be great, they then have the best player in the EPL last year as well along with Firmino and Mane as forwards.

    Liverpool and City look far and away the strongest sides, on paper at least.

  48. champagne charlie

    Marko

    You’re always so quick to praise others over the fence. Klopp has spent an absolute fortune since being at Liverpool (the 2nd most successful club in England). So why are you being dishonest and spouting nonsense about consecutive CL qualification being “success” for them? You constantly make the argument for investment in players, but Liverpool have been spending for years, and considerable figures 20+ mil for numerous talents.

    You can’t have it both ways, either Arsenal need to do it to compete, or Liverpool should be competing. They can’t invest like they have and not have the expectations.

    “Has been closer to a title challenge in 3 years than a certain Frenchman has in 14 years”

    His best finish for Liverpool is 4th, so perhaps stick to facts and not let your fingers get too twitchy with falsities. Just so everyone is clear, at what point in time are you happy for others to point out shortcomings in Klopp? Same with Pochettino? Curious where you start to treat others with he same criteria you’ve held for Arsenal.

  49. Marko

    Klopp successive champions league finishes Wenger 5th and 6th place finishes. Klopp a champions league final appearence Arsene couldn’t get past the round of 16 for how many years? Klopp is preparing for the coming season Arsene is preparing for falling asleep on the couch and clipping coupons. I mean I don’t get you criticizing Klopp when he’s doing a good job the last three years while completely ignoring the awful job Arsene’s done. He got sacked you know Vic. Sacked for a reason.

  50. KAY Boss

    most people are bigging up the scousers but I think Westham have done an incredible business with their acquisitions. Both sides discussing whether Wenger’s good or not is becoming increasingly boring.
    Reading Bayern have rejected a bid from us for Coman. Him, Dembele or Malcolm, one will be perfect. Don’t know who others may prefer. My pick’s Malcolm. Dembele is a dream. A bit sceptical about Coman, though he’s a good player.

  51. Marko

    Charlie you’re back!!! How’s tricks? Criticizing Klopp for addressing a problem (go) seems a bit silly. Made good signings and continues to make good signings what’s wrong with that

  52. Sanmi

    I see some of you are bashing my point about diversity: I told you, DISTINCT CULTURES incase you missed that. It means cultures that will never assimilate and are not remotely close. If you make them live within the same borders, it is powder keg.
    Look no further that Africa. In Nigeria alone, we have 250 cultures. 248 of them are very similar and easily assimilate and live in relative peace. But there are another 2, that assimilate with each other but will never do so with the other 248. Since 1914 that we have been forced to coexist by the British and we have been at war ever since.
    We have had 1 full blown civil war, 100s of mass genocides.
    Every African country is the same, except the predominantly monoculture ones called North Africa, until the Jews and coptic Christians migrated there and now the Arabs will find every reason to mass murder them.
    Keep on bringing them to Europe, in 10yrs 2 things will happen. You will become a shithole like Africa with endless wars, or you will yourself drive them back to Africa and middle east

  53. champagne charlie

    Haven’t left, didn’t leave a twitter handle or gofundme link. Just dealing with the summer malaise by spending time in the theatre.

    I’m not criticising his spending, I’m saying there’s every evidence for criticising what he’s produced following that investment. Peaking at 4th place in the prem isn’t champagne worthy like you’re suggesting.

    To be clear too, Klopp didn’t want Salah he wanted Brandt and their transfer committee chose Salah. Klopp then managed to use Salahs ridiculous POTY season to achieve a tepid 4th place position pipping a self-destructing Chelsea.

    As I say, at what point do you say “yea his results aren’t matching the input from all around him”.?

  54. Carts

    Allison isn’t a bad GK, but Roma have pulled a blinder if they get the mooted £60m for him.

    Nothing I’ve see tells me he deserves to be the world most expensive GK.

    Liverpool could probably get Kevin Trapp or Navas for a third of that price.

  55. Marko

    So why are you being dishonest and spouting nonsense about consecutive CL qualification being “success” for them?

    It is success for them. They’ve been in and out in and out for years so them getting in consistently is success much like it is for Spurs.

    You constantly make the argument for investment in players, but Liverpool have been spending for years, and considerable figures 20+ mil for numerous talents. You can’t have it both ways, either Arsenal need to do it to compete, or Liverpool should be competing.

    I said I’d expect Liverpool to be the one to challenge City this season and in coming seasons their signings have been that significant

  56. Marko

    Haven’t left, didn’t leave a twitter handle or gofundme link. Just dealing with the summer malaise by spending time in the theatre

    Just going or performing?

    I’m not criticising his spending, I’m saying there’s every evidence for criticising what he’s produced following that investment

    I mean three seasons three finals two champions league finishes. Salah’s only been there a year VVD half a season? I mean how much time do you think he should have?

  57. Michael24

    Ivan

    Your take on things typifies someone who has only lived through Wenger.

    Like many, I am delighted that Wenger has gone and feel confident that the new manager will point the team/club in the right direction.

    However, those that continue to defend the indefensible(AW), have to come to terms with the fact that the vast majority of supporters have absolutely no connection with Wenger, and will always counter the arguments to respect and worship him.

    His ignorance and selfishness set the club back years.

  58. Marko

    I would suggest certain types around here are more demanding of Klopp than they were Wenger the last few years. I worry they’ll give Emery just a year or two before demanding something bigger

  59. Sancho Monzorla

    ” didn’t leave a twitter handle or gofundme link”

    The only proper way to depart this forum, of course.

  60. Leedsgunner

    Strange rumours from multiple sources emerging that Chelsea are looking to bring Cech back if Courtois goes… lol.

  61. Marko

    Also the fourth place finish was deceptive last season once it was clear they were on a run in the champions league their league form suffered because they were in second gear. It happens pretty sure it happened to us in ’06

  62. champagne charlie

    “It is success for them. They’ve been in and out in and out for years so them getting in consistently is success much like it is for Spurs.”

    I’m sorry but no, this is where you’re wrong and being dishonest.

    Liverpool prior to Klopp were spending (relative to a team that should compete for the PL) and not even achieving CL – so their managers were sacked. Just because Klopp is making CL doesn’t make it a “success” suddenly. The parameters are the exact same, he’s just delivering a bit more than they were.

    But make no mistake, they’re spending at a level to challenge for the PL and he’s been nowhere near it. That isn’t success. You’re simply twisting their relative success and making him appear better than he has been for them.

    I rate Klopp btw, but it’s totally dishonest to say he’s doing bits at Liverpool. Their defence has been shocking since he got there and his only purchase of note is VVD. They’re incredibly top heavy and it’s shown in the respective 4th place finishes. That’s clear if you’re balanced, but you’re not being balanced and you’re trying to one-up a poster who brought that to light.

  63. champagne charlie

    “I mean three seasons three finals two champions league finishes”

    Matter of perspective isn’t it. 3 final losses and 2 CL qualifications given their spend isn’t impressive imo. They’re Liverpool, not West Ham. He’s had a blank chequebook and produced what? An exciting side that doesn’t win stuff. Cool.

    I perform gracias, no spectating.

  64. Victorious

    Strange rumours from multiple sources emerging that Chelsea are looking to bring Cech back if Courtois goes… lol.’

    Would you bite their hands off of any offer?

  65. champagne charlie

    Howdy Vic, hope you’re well my friend 🙂 the domestic season is nearing so tongues are beginning to wag!

  66. Sancho Monzorla

    LIverpool are better now with Klopp than before he got there, the club and supporters are all happy with his performance I would assume. The club have sold well, got a little lucky with signings, invested well. Not sure I agree they would expect to do be winning the league already but they certainly should expect to be close this season, with the signings they made and money they spent. Up until now I don’t think they could have been expected to challenge for the league. I don’t think all the decisions are made by Klopp at Liverpool anyhow.

    So Klopp has done well by any meaningful measure I would think. And he’ll be at Liverpool as long as he continues to perform well, on pace with the investments the club have made. If he doesn’t I’m sure he will be sacked as would any person in his job that doesn’t perform up to par.

    Why is Klopp being compared to Wenger anyway?

  67. Victorious

    Would welcome offers for the likes of Welbeck,Akpom,Perez,Cech if it helps us get Coman who reports says Bayern want 50M for

    Coman is really exciting,two fotted dribbler, decent stamina,can cross the ball very well, also has pace to burn with a good shot on him as well,make it happen Unai!

  68. champagne charlie

    Haven’t seen enough of him but Coman doesn’t float my boat, wouldn’t be surprised to see his career take a Shaquiri turn. Might be doing him a huge disservice but he’s never blown me away the same way Dembele has.

    Not suggesting they’re equal talents of course, but 40-50 mil is not pocket change. That’s just shy of Mahrez money and he’s not maybe Shaquiri, not even close.

  69. Marko

    I’m sorry but no, this is where you’re wrong and being dishonest.

    How am I being dishonest

    The parameters are the exact same, he’s just delivering a bit more than they were.

    So he’s being successful. I mean what do you want from him in three years?

    https://www.anfield-online.co.uk/stats/jurgen-klopp-lfc-transfer-signings.html

    Net spend 71 million

    Our net spend during the same time is 155 million unless I’m mistaken

    They’re incredibly top heavy and it’s shown in the respective 4th place finishes. That’s clear if you’re balanced, but you’re not being balanced and you’re trying to one-up a poster who brought that to light.

    Brought what to light? That they’re top heavy? Right let’s take a step back in recent years we’ve criticised Liverpool’s defence their lack of a DM type and a goalkeeper. They’ve bought VVD, Fabinho and are apparently looking at a goalkeeper. What exactly has Vic brought to light? We’ve needed a DM for years a proper goalkeeper for years and a proper striker for years. It took a new DOF and chief scout to address the striker and Wenger leaving to address the DM and Goalkeeper

  70. Marko

    Matter of perspective isn’t it. 3 final losses and 2 CL qualifications given their spend isn’t impressive imo.

    Any thoughts on our spend the last few years and our success?

  71. Victorious

    CC

    Thank fvck the world cup is over already, can’t really wait for proper footy to commence in earnest

    Really refreshing and excited to see what Emery achieves with the boys

    What’s your judgement on our summers business thus far and how do you weigh our chances this new season

    A winger will get me buzzing though, cheers once again!

  72. Victorious

    Everton signing Malcom it seems

    That would be a shame if we are really after a winger,unless we are going for someone better then, thought reports made the rounds we had a deal agreed in Jan, maybe not

  73. WengerEagle

    Coman is class Charlie.

    Similar ceiling to Dembele for me, although I rate the latter’s footballing IQ and skillset a bit higher.

    Coman is as good a dribbler as you’ll find after the likes of Hazard, Neymar and Messi though. Great off of either foot as well.

  74. WengerEagle

    First West Ham with Anderson and now Everton with Malcolm.

    2 players that would have improved our balance and given us a legitimate 1 vs 1 threat out wide.

  75. PessimisticPat

    I agree with CC regarding coman. Undecided on him. As for malcom iv only seen a youtube video and dont watch ligue 1 so have no clue.
    Think we’ll have to see some out the door before we sign anymore players myself so until that happens i wont hold my breath.

  76. Sancho Monzorla

    Stuff like Malcom to Everton makes me think Arsenal have to be in for another wide player, can’t see why we have no interest in him otherwise. If Malcom goes for £30m and £80k a week and Arsenal do not sell the likes of Perez/Welbeck to fund something like that I would be disappointed.

  77. Ivan

    Michael24
    Ivan
    “Your take on things typifies someone who has only lived through Wenger”

    m8 you missed my point completely. I find this tedious and repetitive. I havent lived through any one and have opinion of my own.

    Wenger was sure big reason i became Arsenal fan.

    Not that i knew it at the moment because i was kid.
    Since being Croatian i couldn’t become fan by heritage or by living near stadium or what ever. I become fan because i was kid that liked the way Arsenal played.

    I give him credit for what he has done and equally wished him gone for years now.

    My issue is I cant see reason in wildly blaming one person for everything bad that happened to club. People should realize by now that Arsenal was not Arsene property. It was of certain Stan K. that sold those bollocks through Wenger to all fans.

    On other side theres certain issue of home going fans.
    (now ill get my piece how im not real fan cause Im not from London and never been to game but IDK)

    Arsenal has theater type home going fans. Shit had to start soaking ears when first banners emerged. Fan base divided over blaming manager instead of beeing united in pressing club owner to replace him, etc….

    Arsenal owner was negligent and in my eyes far more responsible for what happened through last 10 years than Wenger.

    Wenger did best to his abilites, and its quite apparent that his best wasnt good enough for the last 10 years of more.

    Lets put it this way, if history repeats its self, and we get Wenger mk2 in Emery and he gets 10 good years followed by 10 yr decline.

    Should we look for source of our misery in Emery or Stan K?

    Sancho Monzorla

    What you said is part that belongs to good posters and my main reason for coming back here.

    The thing is, most of you spend a lot of time here, for us perennial posters that come here daily 4 quick and good read (not fan of biased footy sites) is really tedious to read constant bitching or religious defending of problem that is supposedly solved.

    Pierre and Victorious are best examples (nhf to you 2, but you can really throw shit in the fan for whole day).

    All they do is insulting and spam. Sometimes it looks like they cant wait 4 provoke them, so they can start drama.

    Im game for good banter, but constant whining is just annoying.

  78. Champagne charlie

    @Vic
    I like our business to date, I’m more interested to see how everyone adapts to Emerys wants from them. Think it’s easy to judge what we know of this lot under Wenger and think they’ll all translate accordingly.

    Many will play better and many will play worse, curious who fits Emerys Arsenal so almost looking upon every player with a new gaze. Kind of feel Perez could be a real player for us if he stays, good footballer who never got a look for me.

    @marko
    You’re being dishonest exactly forwhat I stated.

    Being better than Brendan Rogers or Dalglish doesn’t make Klopp a success. Liverpool spend enough to be PL contenders and have done for a good number of years. Klopp will be a success when he delivers a PL campaign of note, not by bettering their shit former managers.

    Exactly the critique he faces that you’re so hell bent on defending him against. Has he made improvements? Yea, hard not to because Liverpool were poo outside of one season under Rogers that Suarez did bits.

    But it’s this simple: for the money/players available to him, 4th place is mediocre. He’s finished 4th in his two full seasons, and nothing but speculation is suggesting that’s about to change. Are you expecting Salah to score 40 again this season AND their young fullbacks to be as good second season? It’s linear progression being touted as ever. Now they’ve splashed more money on things it’s a title challenge or “bad season” no? Where is the line for you?

  79. Sancho Monzorla

    Ivan

    Everyone here has their own agenda lol. Some are great until that one issue comes up, whether it’s Wenger Xhaka Ozil Ramsey Kroenke, etc. Some are contrarian sophists. Some are conspiracy theorists. Most are cunts.

    Everyone is right about some stuff and wrong about others. I think most will agree to that fact here. Some just have a cunty way of going about it is all.

    Pierre, Victorious do you hear that? You’re bothering our guests :p

  80. Marko

    Now they’ve splashed more money on things it’s a title challenge or “bad season” no? Where is the line for you?

    Again I’ve said I expect them to be City’s main challengers this season and beyond. I still think you’re being a bit quick with the criticism I mean VVD is only there 6 months Salah a season and they’ve just brought in Fabinho and Keita. And you keep mentioning the money they’ve spent they should be challenging but I don’t hear you say the same with regards to the money we’ve spent in recent seasons

  81. China

    I believe liverpool will be closer to city next season and will continue to improve. I also think city won’t break 93 points tho despite their quality

    If Liverpool can hit 84 points with the squad then they’re not underachieving in the league in terms of points.

    Trophies do need to come for him sooner or later but you also have to be reasonable in the sense that it’s possible to get a huge points tally (90+) which can win you the title most years but then city or whoever go on and have a ridiculous tally and still take it. That’s disappointing but not really a failure in the truest sense of the word.

    The same way I don’t count our season with the Eduardo leg break as a bad one despite us winning nothing. Trophies mean an awful lot and are required at this level but you can have a good season without winning anything. Our problem is that the vast majority of our last decade provided neither trophies nor good points tallies.

    We can’t laud wenger’s CL final run as a key highlight of his arsenal tenure but not credit liverpool for making the final last year. Reaching any CL final is a HUGE achievement

  82. luke

    Malcom for 30 million would be a huge missed opportunity. We don’t really have any natural wild players in the first team except for Mikki and even he prefers #10 if I’m not mistaken. It’s not that long ago that Real Madrid and Bayern Munich were sniffing around Malcom ad 30m today is cheap.

  83. China

    I’ve only seen videos of Malcolm but 30m looks like a total bargain. If he can be had at that price we’d be crazy to pass him up

    We could sell a few of our dead wood players, Perez, welbeck combined would probably get 20m without even touching the first team or weakening us. If we need welbeck for the home grown quota just flog him anyway and promote a kid to the first team squad. Problem solved

  84. China

    This is controversial but I’d love to see a Malcolm, ozil, auba, laca attack with a really solid two DMs behind them.

    Unlikely to happen but would be overpowered as hell up top

  85. Freddie Ljungberg

    Welbeck is being linked to Southampton today for 20m+ so raising the funds shouldn’t be a problem.

    Think some people undervalues what we can get for some of our players.

    Just because they’re not good enough for a team that should be aiming for the title doesn’t mean they’re worthless, look at how much Chelsea, pool etc sell their backups for.

    Welbeck is still young, has pace, PL experience, plays for England and has played for us and Man U, sure he’s a bit shit but still good enough to start for a mid/lower table team.

    Ospina is an international keeper that just started in the world cup, we could easily get 10m for him despite his wages.

    Iwobi is homegrown and has years of PL experience at a top club, also a key player for Nigeria,and people want to flog him for 5m, it’s insane.

    Time for the new team to show how it’s done now with some sales to replenish the coffers for a top wing forward.

  86. Receding hairline

    Marko in full Klopp defense mode.

    Its fawning on him like this by some that has made Liverpool fans the worst fan base on Twitter.

    If all their signings go through and he does not win the league he has failed..end of.

  87. Ivan

    Freddie – spot on. Iwobi as first teamer is not good enough. But to have him on bench is perfectly fine by me.

    Tbh i think this pleading poverty nonsense become only good negotiating tactic. Have no doubt if oportunity presented we could splash 50-60 mil or even more without sellong anyone.

  88. Michael24

    Irrespective of “the burden of moving to a new stadium”, based on Arsenal’s infrastructure, resources, players available and financial standing, top four finishes and CL group progress, was a minimum requirement these past twelve years.

    It was the fact that it was deemed a major success by so many that riled me so much.