A couple of days out the mixer and something massive happens, best described by Boreham Wood’s boss Luke Garrard.
“They’re the best team I have ever faced in my career. You look at the two side they put out, they’re frightening. They were here to put on a show for their new manager. Killer, ruthless – they were ready to hit us with every blow they could.”
GET IN FUTURE, here we are!
I didn’t watch the game, but I can tell you, I watched the goals and they were fun. Nelson and Auba dropping a couple of pearlers. Amazing that Emery took the squad back to training for a session after.
Someone asked me about the hammering Wenger took for overtraining, asking if it were the same for Emery. Absolutely, our new manager is taking the same risks as our old manager did when it comes to overloading the players in preseason. The difference here is Emery has complex ideas he needs to communicate to his players and he needs to do that on the training pitch. He can’t really afford to do that slowly because he has to keep himself in the job and he has to prove to the world he’s great.
We might see the impact of the preseason with injuries, particularly because his strength and conditioning coach is an unknown quantity and one would expect he’s likely as crazy to deal with as Carcedo. Keeping players fit heading into December is imperative. We’ve seen Wenger bollocks seasons time and time again because he’d use the same players over and over again at the start of the season, then they’d die in December, get ravaged by injuries, then recover in March for the top 4 chase. Hopefully we’ll avoid that.
I guess that’s where my main concerns lie with Emery and the whole of the new setup. No one has Premier League experience. Players run faster for longer in our league, pound for pound the quality is superior to the other leagues in Europe, there are also more games played over a longer period of time. No break either. No one has really experienced that in the new regime bar the old players he kept around.
That’s why I worry about Sokratis, Lichtsteiner and the new contract for Xhaka. Those are three players who are dreadfully slow. You can’t get away with a lack of mobility in the Premier League, so it’ll be very interesting to see if those moves were an ‘experience’ oversight, or I’m just not clued into the new plan.
Anyway, a great start for Emery, with plenty of hard work still to come. So good to see the players showing off for the new coach.
The World Cup was quite the spectacle. Olivier Giroud bagged the biggest trophy without landing a single shot on target through the whole tournament. Good for him, fuck the haters, we still love him even if he is CHELSEA SCUM. The game wasn’t quite as one-sided as the score, but when it came down to it, France just has an incredible squad of talent who can sit in second gear and still score 4 goals.
The big news for me is Mbappe is now the new king of world football. He scored in the final as a teenager, he looks unbelievably comfortable on the biggest stage, and I think he’s just seen off Ronaldo and Messi. He’s the new king in town. It was funny listening to commentators talking about his rise in the World Cup like he was some unknown dropping a worldie from the second division.
‘You’ll remember the name’
… for fucks sake lads, he went to PSG for £163m last summer, we’re pretty fucking aware of who he is.
I’m pleased for him regardless, and furious at Arsenal for not paying off his parents with the big dollars.
Interesting that France win the World Cup without a single Arsenal player. A sad indictment of the banter years.
There’s not much else in the news about Arsenal, we hired a new physio from Port Adelaide, Darren Burgess hiring in some friends after unfairly firing Colin Lewin. Sociedad is in for Monreal, a move I hope doesn’t happen. Lucas Perez wants to stay at Arsenal to work under Emery. Ospina is in the sights of Napoli, let’s pray that goes through.
Right, that’s me done. See ya’ll tomorrow.
“nobody said Wenger was the architect,engineer or whatever? But that he did contributed his quota in building the stadium”
Wenger wasn’t pivotal in the build of the stdium. He simply happened to be the manager at the time.
Auba averaged 0.5 dribbles completed per game last season.
Really not what you want from a wide player.
If we had an elite wide player then fine, but we dont have a single player that is a natural out wide.
To play 4-3-3 without a single player that can regularly beat a full back would be madness.
Receding
Absolutely. That’s my principle.
You’re going to stagnate at a job you’re unsackable from.
Arsenal under wenger in the last 5 years
Lose one game and the knives were out and the vultures were circling.
Is that managing under pressure… I would say so as during that time he was winning trophies.
Whereas klopp and pochettinno are lauded by the press and fans (and le grovellers) and they have won nothing.
Thats what I call managing with no pressure.
“To play 4-3-3 without a single player that can regularly beat a full back would be madness.”
Genuinely hope Emery is cognisant to this.
Pierre,
As we were spiralling downwards Klopp and Pochettino passed us on their way up!
Stress! Don’t make me laugh.
I suffered more stress these past ten years knowing that Wenger was constantly fudging things up and stubbornly refusing to put the club first.
If he genuinely cared about the club he would have left years ago.
Using stress as yet another excuse for his shortcomings, is a cop out.
Are Pierre and Vicuntious the same person ??
Sometimes you wonder…
(I am waiting for the traditional “Leg End” response lol)
“As we were spiralling downwards Klopp and Pochettino passed us on their way up!”
Way up to the same top four success we were regularly mocked for i guess
Klopp and Pochettino have not won so much as a glass of water in England yet
Gambon
So you want a winger to beat a defender, get to the byline and put the ball in the box..
And in the box will be aubamayang, not exactly an alan shearer when attacking the ball with his head is he…
So next you will say aubamayang is not good enough as he is not getting on the end of these crosses that this amazing winger is putting in and we should go and buy a Big lump to compliment our new amazing winger.
Why are people arguing over Wenger still?
He’s gone let’s talk about the future, let’s talk about how the Spud’s are going to bottle this year, let’s talk about how Mourinho’s going to have a meltdown but for fuck sake Wenger’s gone.
Carts
He absolutely must be.
He had Neymar last season, who averaged more take ons per game than Auba, Laca, Mykhitaryan, Ozil & Iwobi combined.
You cant have a team built solely on passing combinations. There are days when you need someone to bail you out.
Look how many times Hazard, DeBruyne, Sane, Sterling, Salah, Mane, Sanchez, create something out of nothing.
Wenger became an embarrassment and made Arsenal FC into the laughing stock of world football.
Fairly obvious to me.
Liverpool in talks with Roma for Allisson..75M Euros expected tn nail it.
I just hope Leno proofs to be a great buy.
“And in the box will be aubamayang, not exactly an alan shearer when attacking the ball with his head is he…”
Pierre has clearly not watched Aubameyang’s 30+ goal seasons at Dortmund.
Pierre
That’s not what he said and once you’ve beaten a defender you don’t have to “cross” the ball for a header.
Give It a fucking rest.
Marc
“Why are people arguing over Wenger still?”
-The fans who are glad to see him leave are still setting. Time may heal these wounds. I’m guilty of being in this group.
-The fans who are in mourning about his exit won’t stop venerating him and repeating talking points. Their mourning is fast turning into deep melancholy.
Pierre: “And more recently It’s been giroud and ramsey that have held the club back when we could/should have bought a top class striker and probably brought Ces back and ditched ramsey.” Big fking LOL!!! Look at how your emperor spent £82m NET in the transfer window of 2014/2015. Eighty mother fkin two MILLION pounds!!! Look at it: Arrivals 14/15 Players Club Transfer sum Alexis Sánchez FC Barcelona FC Barcelona £38.25m Calum Chambers Southampton FC Southampton £18.21m Danny Welbeck Manchester United Man Utd £18.00m Gabriel Paulista Villarreal CF Villarreal CF £13.50m Mathieu Debuchy Newcastle United Newcastle £13.50m David Ospina OGC… Read more »
We only talk about Wenger because there are some gents on here who still feel obliged to stand up for him.
Ridiculous.
Pierre
Aubameyang scored 141 goals for Dortmund in 5 seasons, of which 140 were inside the box.
I would say he is a world class penalty box player.
And who said anything about crosses?
Youre making up your own arguments as always.
“Why are people arguing over Wenger still?”
Because some akbs are still in the place – they are connected on Untold at the same time.
There’s something I just don’t like about Lacazette, maybe its his body language. Aubameyang looks so much more assured in everything he does.
To be honest, if aubamayang plays wide left and never makes a single dribble but scores 25 goals and ten assists next season (which is within his capability) then that’ll do for me
*The fans who are glad to see him leave are still seething*
Amen to that.
“Liverpool in talks with Roma for Allisson..75M Euros expected tn nail it.”
Two things
Allison is not worth 75m
We did not need a 75m goal keeper
(what RR said)
Jesus Christ I can’ t believe the argument that was created simply because Wenger was called stupid. Must not insult Master. Colonialism really did a number, fuck. Sad. Feeling honestly sad right now smh.
Receding,
The top four success finished in the 2015/16 season. Stop living in the past.
2016/17 = 5th
2017/18 = 6th
It was only going to get worse.
“There’s something I just don’t like about Lacazette, maybe its his body language. Aubameyang looks so much more assured in everything he does.”
For a start he isn’t a striker used to going on 13 game scoring droughts , that must have hit his confidence big time. I liked how he came back stronger towards the end of last season, I really hope he kicks on this season as well.
Wolves interested in Welbeck… good. Even if it is £10m-15m, it’s money we should put toward a winger.
Surely the newly promoted clubs like Wolves should be offered our fringe players… like Welbeck and Ospina.
Receding
Only time will answer your doubts about Allison’s value
The do have to replace Karius though.
Just see it as Roma getting the balance of the what Liverpool paid for Salah last summer.
Mr testicles the only person living in the past here is you sir , with the continued Wenger obsession
Glad u now consider a top four finish as getting to the top, don’t let gambon know though or he might accuse you of fraud or something
“The do have to replace Karius though.”
A sack-able offense if he does not replace him, he should actually be loaned out ASAP, he is done at Liverpool.
“Only time will answer your doubts about Allison’s value”
He will never be a 75m pound player that is for sure,
Not living in the past. You’re the guys who won’t have a word said against Wenger – even constructive criticism.
I’m looking ahead to an interesting season under the guidance of a proper management team, who are doing their best to rebuild the squad.
So you want a winger to beat a defender, get to the byline and put the ball in the box.. And in the box will be aubamayang, not exactly an alan shearer when attacking the ball with his head is he… So next you will say aubamayang is not good enough as he is not getting on the end of these crosses that this amazing winger is putting in and we should go and buy a Big lump to compliment our new amazing winger. Stop embarrassing yourself Pierre. Leroy Sane destroyed Arsenal twice this season. Go rewatch the match so… Read more »
Surely Iwobi is surplus to requirements.
We have way too many central players and way too few wide players at the moment.
Iwobi isnt good enough, but also cant play a high pressing game, because hes so lethargic.
Sell Welbeck, Perez, Iwobi, Campbell and Akpom and buy Anthony Martial. We would immediately have much better attacking options.
At present, we are one injury away from seeing Perez or Welbeck playing.
Dissenter
If Klopp gets all these players, Keita, Fabinho, Fekir and Allison, players hugely rated on Le grove , if he adds them to Salah, Mane and Firmino and fails to win the league or at least win a trophy should he be considered a failure? Will the FA cup, so hated in these parts, be enough??
azed
Yes, Sane is exactly the type we need, and lack.
“Not living in the past. You’re the guys who won’t have a word said against Wenger – even constructive criticism.”
I rarely mention Wenger when i post here and even when i do it’s not complimentary. If u are accusing me of not frothing in the mouth and calling him names when he is mentioned then i am guilty of that, i do not believe in name calling.
Gambon
I don’t understand how so called Arsenal fans could have watched those two games against City and not ask how we don’t have a player like Sane.
If the Allison rumours started on Sky I’d be cautious of their veracity, I might be getting a bit conspiracy theory but I just think any story like this just helps them on Sky Bet.
How many genuine 1 vs 1 wingers are available in the market??
How many of them would come to us??
How many can we afford their price tags??
Are we asking for someone of Sane’s class or just any footballer who prefers to hug the touchline??
RH
You’re ignoring the fact that City are absolutely stacked with virtually two top quality options for every position with many of their players already enjoying a season or two to adjust to the PL.
Even if Liverpool pull off Allison and Fekir , Klopp will have his work cut out to better City over a 38 match campaign.
Somebody that can beat a player in a one vs one situation is vital.
We’re the only top six side without a player of that description at present.
How many genuine 1 vs 1 wingers are available in the market??
How many of them would come to us??
How many can we afford their price tags??
You really think its impossible to find a genuine winger willing to come to Arsenal at an affordable price?
“Even if Liverpool pull off Allison and Fekir , Klopp will have his work cut out to better City over a 38 match campaign.” Why Wenger eagle?? They have already shown they can beat City when they play them. I have been told here many times there are the second best team in the land even before the signings..surely its a case of two giants going head to head only separated by say goal difference or something. I was called a loser for not expecting Emery to catch City in his first season, i made the losers comment that we… Read more »
I’m afraid all this wide-player talk is moot. Lacazette and Auba will both be here this season and its impossible to imagine Emery not indulging 50 million pound players in his starting 11.
Then there’s Mkh and Ozil to fit in on the other side.
This unbalanced mess is gonna take longer than 1 transfer window to fix.
hahahahaha pierre thought Wenger was under pressure.. hahahahha…
“hahahahaha pierre thought Wenger was under pressure.. ”
He was though, what with having to juggle his balls between the mouths of so many worshippers like Pierre.
“You really think its impossible to find a genuine winger willing to come to Arsenal at an affordable price?” As good as Sane?? Can i have names ?? Kingsley Coman is one i think would work, i have already been told the other guy i fancied was a mid table bum. Do you also believe Pavon can come over here from South america and be an instant success?? Lozano..well he is a winger who likes to cut inside an awful lot and score, and i do not think he is that much of a dribbler, mostly quick which many mistake… Read more »
Our immediate need is another CB.
Sokratis, Mustafi, Chambers, Holding, Mavrapanos.
One a proven-error prone dummy
Second a player new to English football
and three largely inexperienced youngsters
Yeah, I am not filled with confidence looking at this set.
Dissenter
I may be a bore in your eyes but at least I am broad minded enough to try understand how other people think and operate.
You on the other hand are a small minded bigot.
Yeah Rambo, I think theres an obvious need for:
– A starting CB
– Another CM
– A top class wide player
I would sell Mustafi, Elneny, and a whole host of attacking players to fund this.
I think we have done our budget now, and to be honest dont think we will be signing anyone.
Receding
I’m not a big fan of Pavon. I think he and Lozano are currently overrated.
Bailey, Pulisic, Thauvin are good dribblers, they are young and they are gettable.
RH
Head to Head only accounts for six points a season, means quite little in the grand scheme of things if you’re not winning over 30 of your other 36 matches.
And that’s like saying that Barcelona should win the league title every season as if they don’t have Real Madrid to contend with.
City literally have 50 plus million pound players sitting on the bench.
I’ve often wondered why Mavrapanos is readily mentioned as a credible CB defensive option. Some even rank him above Chambers and Holding.
The lad has only played 3 games for Arsenal, with one red card…yet people keep dropping his name over and over again.
“I’m not a big fan of Pavon. I think he and Lozano are currently overrated.”
Overrated is putting it mildly
What do you think of Kingsley Coman??
And isn’t Pulisic more of an attacking midfielder ??
I like Thauvin but he has tried this league before and couldn’t cut it if i am not mistaken.
“I like Thauvin but he has tried this league before and couldn’t cut it if i am not mistaken.”
Could say the same about Salah.
“City literally have 50 plus million pound players sitting on the bench.”
Are we making the cannot compete with money excuse for Liverpool??
“Could say the same about Salah.”
You could but Thauvin played more regularly and did not have a manager who believes all 10 outfield players should be accomplished defenders.
Like i said i like Thauvin, just pointing out a fact that he has been here before
Receding
Coman is good but he suffered lots of injuries last season.
Thavin played for Newcastle but I won’t rule him out yet. Rumour has it that he has an attitude problem ala Nasri but that doesn’t mean he’s not talented. Also he older and now and should be wiser now (keyword should).
I’d be wary of Thauvin because he’s already had a failed PL stint at Newcastle.
He’s a talented lad and has just had a great season with Marseille but we can do better.
Bailey, Malcolm, Pulisic, Guedes, Coman, Brahimi, Perotti are all one vs one specialists with the first five players all being under 22.
Brahimi and Perotti could be short-term solutions if none of those five are gettable with both being elite dribblers and good all-round forwards too.
No RH but it’s daft to call Klopp a failure unless he beats that City side to the title.
That City side as in Pep’s record breaking best PL side of all time that has just added Mahrez to it.
For me,
we can start the season like this
Leno
Bellerin Sokratis New CB Monreal
Toriera
Ramsey
Ozil
Micky Auba
Laca
Bench : Cech, Lchtner,Kola, Xhaka, Mavro/Chambers, Perez, Elneny/AMN
I worry about Monreal’s mobility, he played most of last season as a LCB and is only getting older at 32/33.
Kolisinac is complete shite who we should be moving on really.
How many top-level wide players are there who can consistently beat a man and stick a dangerous ball into the box? And how many of these would come to Arsenal to play in the Uefa cup?
I reckon we could raise another £40m to £50m from offloading our fringe players.
Plus if we pick up a couple of smart “free” acquisitions like Bernard, we should be able to add to attack without too much outlay.
Welbeck and Mustafi alone should bringing in £30m.
*bring
Steve N’Zonzi links not going away. City in need of another CM as well. Not sure they’re willing to spend 70-80m on Pjanic, Kovacic
Suarez went to Liverpool when they finished 7th the season before and were sitting closer to mid table than the top four in late January/early February.
Pogba left Juventus to join United when they were in the EL.
I take your point WengerEagle, but the main question is WHO?
Who is a top-level wide player who can consistently beat his man? It seems to be a dying art.
Just named a bunch AN, not top level yet but huge potential in Bailey, Malcolm, Guedes, Pulisic, Coman.
Coman depends on whether or not Kovac prefers Gnabry to him.
Other four are very attainable although Guedes could be tricky as he’s owned by PSG.
So what would would be success for Liverpool Wenger Eagle since you are ruling out league titles….if they follow through with all this spending what should be termed as success??
When will Liverpool actually win the premier league in it’s present format if apologies continue being made for them year in year out??
Arse and nose.
We need more Salah’s
RH
It’s not black and white, challenging for the league title alone would be a huge improvement for them because they have done that since Suarez had them up there over four years ago.
It’s not making apologies, nobody was killing AW for not winning league titles every season it was the fact that we were never seriously competitive under him after that season a decade ago.
Even the Spuds have put in a title challenge since we have.
have not done that
City finished 25 points ahead of Liverpool last season, that’s a massive gap to close.
Why don’t we just go and buy sane….how much.. 150 mil
Then make a bid for salah.. Another 150 mil.
There you go…. Sorted.. Now aubamayang can play in the middle.
Easy this football management lark innit.
Lol sounds familiar to AW saying we cannot afford to go and buy Messi.
Who is asking for us to go and buy Sane and Salah?
Shouldn’t judge Sane against a crock of shit defence like Arsenal’s.
A good defence could easily neutralise Sane.
WengerEagle
“That City side as in Pep’s record breaking best PL side of all time that has just added Mahrez to it.”
That was more down to inept teams than City’s quality.
A good defence could easily neutralise Sane.
10 Goals and 15 assists doesn’t support your argument Red.
I’m not sure if it’s been spoken about but I find it quite interesting that Steve Bould has kept his job.
Surely he was muzzled under Wenger and has now been set free. I understand it’s in emery’s interest to keep an old arsenal head about…. but when most have been shown the door you have to wander if Bould sat waiting playing a blinder… Gazidis’ insider maybe?
Since we have so many numbet 10s and 2 strikers why not play a 4-4(diamond)-2 formation. So two centre forwards in tandem with Ozil or Miki floating behind them. With a three man midfield of Xhaka Torreira Ramsey
We still need a winger to come off the bench to change the shape.. But 4-4-2 diamond could work for the majority of games where teams tend to park the bus…i rather have all my goal scorers on the park
Good list of wide players developing but maybe one omission – Douglas Costa.
At Juventus who will need to shift players. Costa regularly impresses me
Park chu
Said as we were spiralling downward, klopp and poch are spiralling upwards.
Isn’t this same guy that all through the top 4 years of Wenger was saying all that matters is trophies? Wenger has 3 major trophies in his last 4years, and 3 community shields but poch and klopp both had zero!!
What’s your definition of upward mobility? Wenger was 2nd, 3yrs ago in epl
If the DM report is true, then Emery isn’t finished in the TW, although I can’t see Chelsea wanting Cech back, but it will alert other clubs. Maybe Emery doesn’t fancy Ramsey after all and the longer a contract isn’t signed/offered, the more it looks like Ramsey will be sold. I’d rather Ramsey move on. Too injury prone and not a player to help us win major trophies. Certainly not work £200k+ a week and, if a team were to be built around him, then Everton/Burnley would be that level of club imo. The post earlier about Gazidis to Inter… Read more »
The departure of Cech and his return to Chelsea would not be a complete surprise. Last week I made the case that following arrival of Leno the club should sell Ospina and keep Cech. Ospina has some commercial value, but Cech at 35 does not. However,I went on to suggest that if Cech stayed it would make sense to keep him as our third string goalkeeper next season and consider promoting Martinez as second string. Martinez has always looked a fairly solid performer and at 25 should be now challenging for promotion in squad. The fact that he is Spanish… Read more »