Austrian Arsenal spoke to last year leaves club, but for who?

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Atleti won the Europa League, Griezmann’s first major trophy… but it should have been ours!

I cannot believe we didn’t make 10 men at home count for more than nothing.

A lot of ‘why don’t we hire Diego’ after the game.

  • He likes Atletico
  • He likes Inter Milan
  • He doesn’t speak English

I’m also not sure if you’d want that sort of football at Arsenal. I mean, some fan now seem impervious to the idea of bringing negative football back to Arsenal, I can’t help but think they’d be disappointed in that.

Not that I’d be against Simeone, I’m just not sure we need to go there.

One manager the club certainly like is Ralph Hassenhutl, the German went on the record last year to say he’d spoken to Arsenal about the potential opening at the club. That’s three Bundesliga managers we know the club were interested in, having spoken to Schmidt and Tuchel the same summer. Anyway, point of the thread is the Austrian has quit his position at Leipzig after two seasons with the Redbull outfit. He finished an incredible second last year, but couldn’t quite replicate that form this year, dropping down to 6th.

The 50-year-old found managerial fame taking German minnows Ingolstadt to the Bundesliga with a promotion, then keeping them in the league with a powerful defensive system that made up for having the worst attack in the league.

It’s unclear who rang the change bell, Rangnick or the manager. But the post-firing commentary was very positive from their Sporting Director.

“I would have liked to go into the new season with Ralph Hasenhuttl as our head coach,”

“I came to the realisation that another year together to begin with would have been sufficient. For Ralph however, there was no alternative to a premature contract extension. It was his explicit wish to terminate the contract and we accepted that with a heavy heart.

“In the past few season, Ralph has been incredibly impressive with a huge contribution and put in a lot of work. I don’t see Ralph as just a very talented coach but he’s also an incredible person. From the bottom of my heart, I wish him all the best for the future, both professionally and privately.”

Where Hassenhutl is planning on going next is a mystery. He reckons he turned down Bayern in January.

“The fact is that today I spoke with no other club, except that I once had a loose contact with Bayern Munich.

“I said that I cannot imagine that I am not a solution for Bayern, because I lack the international experience.”

The coach who compares himself Klopp when it comes to philosophy made an odd choice considering he’s 50 years old, but who am I to judge? That’s why I wonder if he’d move to Arsenal?

Anyway, he fits our brief from a philosophical perspective. He’s very organised, knows how to drill a defence, his game is all about intense pressing, he’s had to coach young kids at Redbull (they pride themselves in developing the youth between 17-23), and he’s picked up some of the flair Rangnick was famous for.

He’d be a solid hire, not an overly exciting one… though he does run up and down the sideline, something fans equate with winnertivity I believe.

Interesting that Bayern Munich, a mega club who signed Carlo and Pep, have opted to sign the Frankfurt coach Niko Kovac. The German-born Croatian doesn’t have much of a CV, he played some exciting direct football under Frankfurt for the past two seasons, but he’s hardly WINNER like you might think Bayern would want after not winning the CL for a while. The big pull for them was having a German and that German having played for the club. He has that emotional tie to Bayern, and that’ll take the edge off them not landing a mega name.

Anyway, point is, they’re a bigger club than us, with better players, and they’re hiring someone who basically did a good job of not getting Frankfurt relegated.

The Galactico manager is a dying breed, unless they bring the magic football…

Not that I’d ever bring the post back to who I want Arsenal to sign.

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  1. Guns of Hackney

    “Hypocritical ass face”

    Victorious. That was funny.

    But you’re still a douche for supporting Wenger.

  2. jwl

    Arsenal need to reduce wage bill and spend more on transfers. We are top four in wages paid but our squad is not worth it, I believe Spuds and Liverpool have significantly lower wages. Arsenal execs should try to lower overall wages by 30% and spend it on new players instead. Arsenal not spending it’s money wisely, we are overpaying players for middling results.

    Wages Arsenal pay has been bothering me for long time, I remember article from years ago that compared salaries across league, luka modric was paid 35,000 week during his last year at Spuds while Arsenal were paying entire squad at least 50,000 a week.

  3. Thank you and goodnight

    Kroenke better get this next appointment right. Because where as the fans were split on Wenger, kroenke fucks this up and he’ll have the WHOLE Arsenal fan base baying for his blood. For years he had Wenger deflecting any shit his way, he no longer has that shield now Wenger has gone.

  4. jwl

    I can’t convince myself that Arteta rumours are true, I think it’s crazy that Arsenal are even considering an unproven coach. If Arsenal want young manager, that’s fine, but I find it hard to believe that there isn’t one more qualified in Europe than Arteta.

  5. Leftsidesanch

    If we are to hire Arteta, I wonder if an announcement would be made before the end of the week.

  6. Leftsidesanch

    Guns

    No tangible proof but Jack hasn’t signed yet. The transfer window is officially open as of today as well so I’m just wondering maybe he wants a change.

  7. Ishola70

    Thank you and goodnight
    “Kroenke better get this next appointment right. Because where as the fans were split on Wenger, kroenke fucks this up and he’ll have the WHOLE Arsenal fan base baying for his blood. For years he had Wenger deflecting any shit his way, he no longer has that shield now Wenger has gone”

    Which Kroenke you mean?

    Stan has has given his toy to Josh now.

    That’s how much interest Stan has got.

    Though to tbf it may be just not having a scooby .

    Josh is involved in this appointment not Stan.

    Stan fires him of course if it goes tits up.

  8. mysticleaves

    “Hiring Arteta just feels lazy to me, we’re hiring someone just because Pep and others say he is good. The sad thing is we have to take their word for it… why? Arteta has absolutely no track record to demonstrate it himself.”

    Leeds have a word with yourself and pack it in. This statement above is ridiculous. So you think Arsenal are considering Arteta because Pep said he’s good?

    Gazidis worked with and had first hand knowledge of Arteta for 5 years. You think it’s not enough for him to make an opinion on Arteta and include him amongst the people to be interviewed?

    Listen if we are going for Arteta it means we have seen something in him that would bring the needed radicality and upward movement we need. Hires are not always right but don’t sit and act like it can only go wrong.

    Seems to me you don’t value interviews and statements of interest. They say so much about people than the overrated experience. Arteta if interviewed as head coach material will be burning to Change us and will definitely say a lot of things right.

    I think, anyway that he is being considered as 2nd in command and this hunch comes just because Hassenhult resigned. What I know is that we wont compensate Wenger and then pay a release clause of a new coach in the same year. This is outside the wages the coach will command. From an Arsenal point of view this should rule people like Allegri and Jardim out.

  9. mysticleaves

    Not wanting to sound like Ishola (the king of absolutes) i THINK we can’t pay for Wenger’s compensation and the release clause of a new manager in the same year plus also the wages and then make tangible transfer money available. I didn’t mean it as an absolute in my last post

  10. Coach 15

    Anyone from across the pond been to the new Atlanta stadium.
    What a structure that is,petal retractable roof and a 30ft high.1100ft long halo screen,to help fans who are 300ft from the field of play a better view of the game.

  11. Leedsgunner

    mystic

    I would be very happy with Arteta as a no.2. I just don’t think he is anywhere near enough ready to be in the no.1 seat.

    If we want unemployed managers out there, Hassenhutl is a great choice based on what he has done with RB Leipzig… and he has experience on reaching the Champion’s League as well.

  12. Thank you and goodnight

    @Leeds

    Agree with you 100%. Yes Barcelona chose Pep and the rest is history, but he inherited a squad that had ronaldinho, eto etc etc plus 2 years previously they’d been to a CL final. Hardly a shabby squad. Where as Arsenal are in need of a massive overhaul with at least 9 players needing to be sold, ( that is Wenger’ s legacy you akbs ) . Wenger has left the club in a huge fucking mess and no rose tinted glasses can hide that fact. Arteta for me is a no no.

  13. Thank you and goodnight

    Xhaka, monreal( too old), Wilshire,Mustafi,chambers, holding, jenkinson, ospina, cech, elneny,welbeck, any more feel free to add to the list.

  14. TR7

    The latest financial statements paint a very grim picture of Arsenal finances. Not winning Europa league combined with a sixth position finish and lower broadcast revenue means our year end financials will show a significant drop in YoY revenue. Players wages are up by approximately 13 million which is a significant amount given our meagre revenue. Assuming property development to be a one time revenue line item and wages going up by another 2-3 percent, another outside CL spot finish will really ruin our finances next year.

  15. Receding Hairline

    They should just make the announcement already

    I for one hope the likes of Ramsey and Ozil all demand transfers sighting Arteta’s inexperience.

    My choice for this job was Allegri and will always be Allegri.
    Yet that is no reason to throw my toys out of the pram or close my ears to any positive reasons as to why we might be going down the Arteta road.

    I do not care for appointment that is lauded by all the pundits and causes panic among rival fans, at the end of the day what matters is our performances on the pitch. Anyone who can come in and demand our players earn the huge salaries they are paid and stop disgracing themselves at away grounds is okay by me.

    And all this guys that like saying the other candidates are “actual managers”..well guess what Alan Pardew is an actual manager, Tony Adams as well, can’t see any of you advocating for their appointment

  16. Thank you and goodnight

    @Receding hairlines

    I will support Arteta 100% if he is chosen. My point is I think it’s too big a job for such an inexperienced coach. Let’s be honest the club has been left in a really bad way, with far far too many average players on huge salaries who just aren’t good enough for our club. That is Wenger’ s legacy.

  17. mysticleaves

    “I would be very happy with Arteta as a no.2. I just don’t think he is anywhere near enough ready to be in the no.1 seat.”

    Leeds, but this is just you. Frankly the only thing you know about Arteta is from his time as a player. Even then he was captain for both Everton and Arsenal. You don’t get there without having leadership skills.

    Now, it might not be idle but I totally get why the execs will include him in the list.

  18. Graham62

    Victorious

    There is a monumental difference between a rabid abnoxious prat and someone who merely highlights his own points of view.

    @ A14 clearly has issues.

  19. Receding Hairline

    “My point is I think it’s too big a job for such an inexperienced coach”

    @TYAG

    Is it really that big a job?? We really can’t have it both ways

    We cannot spend every waking moment on here telling everyone how Arsenal are now a midtable club and then suddenly demand we throw 50M at Man City and demand they give us Pep as someone here just posted.

    I was just listening to the know it all’s on ESPN and they just said Arsenal does not represent a step up for any of the “world class” Managers.

    If all it takes to be a “world class” manager is to turn up at a big club and spend 300m every transfer window, then give me a coach who is up for the hard work of actually building a team, a Jardim or even a klopp.

  20. mysticleaves

    Arteta (inexperienced) against Van Gaal, Ancelotti, Wenger, Allardyce (loads of experience) and I know who I am choosing.

    Ideally you need someone that can impress you with his ideas, skillset and experience but that’s only like Allegri (who we would have spoken to), Jardim, Simeone (negative football) and a few others like hassenhult and maybe Nagelsman (a no no for me). Don’t believe for once Arteta was our first choice. Some factors might have shot him to the forefront, that’s if all this isn’t a smokescreen for Hassenhult.

  21. Graham62

    Twentytwo years of Wenger, twelve of which were based on the acceptance of mediocrity, and some are already questioning our proposed appointment.

    Lets rejoice for christ sake.

    Satan has finally left the building and change is afoot.

  22. TR7

    Given our finances the path forward is to improve the players we already have and possibly develop a couple of youth players. Stories of Arteta improving a couple of City players might have done the trick for him. Arsenal can’t hire managers who will demand a significant transfer fund unless Stan opens up his purse strings. Perhaps that’s why we didn’t hire Allegri or Enrique despite our interest in them.

  23. mysticleaves

    Before Guardiola was given the key to Barcelona he had only 1 year of prior management in football. Zidane was the same too (I think). Nagelsman was in football but had never managed before he was given the job for Hoffe. Tedesco never managed for Schalke. All of them proceeded to do well after wards. Please what difference does 1 year managerial experience make in the grand scheme of things?

    If Pep failed in Barca he would have failed regardless of his experience with the B team. Seedorf failed with Milan but he was managing the Junior sides before he got the job.

    Allegri we are pining for stunk out the place at Milan after winning the league and was sacked. Juve fans never wanted him but regardless he was able to prove to the hierarchy that he is the man for the job.

    If Arteta can comes to Arsenal as manger, 2 things can happen. He will either fail or succeed. If Allegri comes to Arsenal same thing applies to him.

  24. Graham62

    Was anyone else thinking last night that if Arsenal had beaten AM and gone on to play OM in the final, they would have, based on the law of averages, cocked it up.

  25. HighburyLegend

    “He will either fail or succeed. ”
    That depends of how the point of view of the board has changed about the criterias to describes “failure” and “success”…

  26. Up 4 grabs now

    Not that keen on arteta either, will of course back him, but it stinks of the cheap option if it is him.
    Why not PV4, more experience as a coach and manager.
    Working on a budget with lesser players.

    A winning captain who the players would have respected if you wanted to go the cheap route, rather than an allegri etc.

  27. Ishola70

    Patrick Vieira is managing we’ll score more goals than you football in the US atm.

    Not much focus on him from the defensive side.

    I don’t think the club are ready for someone to come in and put defensive steel in this team and it is unlikely Arteta will either. Lot of fans not interested and the powers that be will happily roll along with it. It’s another excuse for them if they don’t win big. At least we try to play the “right” way. This to go along with self-sufficiency. All good for ducking.

  28. Up 4 grabs now

    Ishola,

    You work with what you have, over there it’s more about entertainment than a defensive game.

    I would have more confidence in pv4 who actually played and captained a great defence, then Arteta playing in the banter years with a goal keeper and defence that was as bad as we had and still have.

  29. azed

    “If Arteta can comes to Arsenal as manger, 2 things can happen. He will either fail or succeed. If Allegri comes to Arsenal same thing applies to him.”

    Same applies to Big Sam and David Moyes. Would you be happy with anyone of them?

  30. jasongms

    “If Arteta can comes to Arsenal as manger, 2 things can happen. He will either fail or succeed. If Allegri comes to Arsenal same thing applies to him.”

    Come on bud that’s a very simplistic, narrow-minded view. life isn’t black and white, it’s multi-layered and multivariable with as many outcomes.

    In the law of averages, the most likely/tangible outcome is that both Arteta and Allegri fail to meet some or all of their KPI’s which I’d guess would be firstly top 4 and then to win the EPL or CL during their tenure.

    The significant difference is that with Allegri, it’s almost guaranteed that he will leave the club/team (even if things went badly) in far greater shape than it currently is, solely based on his vast experience in management/coaching. This would set the team/ club up for the next manager to exploit and to prosper.

    Which can’t be said of Arteta, that if (and it’s more likely out of the two) during his tenure things turned south/ went badly would set the club/team back a few seasons at the very least and the next manager would have to pick the pieces. The rationale for this is based solely on the quantifiable evidence of previous experience of which Arteta has none.
    So there also a huge difference in forecasting what to expect in either manager and there is a distinction or degree of risk associated with each manager. Yes, Arteta would be exciting because of that unknown or untried factor, but would also be the far riskier and the more problematic if it didn’t work out.

    So it’s not as easy as saying that they could both equally succeed or fail. There are far great consequences if Arteta fails as opposed to Allegri.

  31. Dan Ahern

    Kovac at Bayern is an interesting one. Have they gone too far down the path of preferring those with a club connection? I’m tempted to say they have such a monopoly on talent in that league that it doesn’t matter too much, but I do wonder if it becomes an insiders-only problem down the line.

  32. DaleDaGooner

    Wenger is gone and the Le Grove fans are still at each others throat……Wenger obsession PTSD in full flow here.

  33. Ozy

    Vieira to Nice is a great move. I hope he succeeds and is involved with Arsenal in the future. Football needs more black managers.

  34. Champagne charlie

    Henry getting interviewed Monday to be part of the new look coaching staff.

    Wonder if he’ll want to be a pundit at the same time too?

  35. HighburyLegend

    The bad thing with TH14 : he seems to be far too obsessed by money to say goodbye to his TV consultant job.

  36. HighburyLegend

    “Arsenal executives were involved in discussions on Thursday regarding who should next take over at the club.”

    At least, they’re still thinking about the question.

  37. jasongms

    Transfer Rumours

    Jorginho to Citi £50 mil
    Ricardo Pereira to Leicester £25mil
    Sime Vrsaljko to United £30mil

    Evans to Arsenal 3mil

    somethings never change 😉

  38. Ozy

    “The bad thing with TH14 : he seems to be far too obsessed by money to say goodbye to his TV consultant job.”

    It’s almost as if… people work … to make money …

  39. kc

    Wenger wants Arteta as his successor. Yikes. If that’s not a red fucking flag, I don’t know what is. Ferguson wanted Moyes, and we all know how that worked out. The man has been going backwards for a decade now and we’re supposed to just jump on board with his choice for a replacement? Wenger 2.0 is not what I had in mind. This will not end well.

  40. WengerEagle

    Where you seeing Vieira to Nice links Ozy?

    Would be great move for him, they’ve underachieved this season with some of the talent at their disposal in Balotelli, Plea, Seri.

  41. Leedsgunner

    WengerEagle

    Has Balotelli extended his contract? I thought he was available on a free. If got a right manager I personally wouldn’t mind taking a punt on him if he was on a free.

    Mercurial player and not to everyone’s taste but for the manager who could get the best out of him, you would have an amazing player for next to nothing.

  42. Champagne charlie

    Weagle

    Yea, but Sky are Sky and others are professing it’s about being part of the new look coaching team

  43. Leedsgunner

    I said yesterday that a crucial reason that we needed to get the managerial appointment right is because we need to be able to attract the players of the right calibre to the club.

    It also works the other way, in an era of crazy astronomical transfer fees we need a manager who will convince our best talents in the first team and especially in the youth squad to stay.

    It would be a terrific shame if we lost our best youth players like Reiss Nelson becausehe didn’t believe in the manager coming in.

    By all accounts we have a great crop of kids coming through… I hope we get this appointment right so they decide to develop their careers with the club. It will help the club foster a new culture of players who identify with the club and save the club millions.

  44. Champagne charlie

    I can accept Arteta as a bold choice because there’s merit/scope to suggestions of him being talented as far as coaching goes.

    With Henry you’d do well to provide some idea of how he could even be considered as “potential”.

    I don’t think his interviewing is managerial at all.

  45. Ishola70

    lol Marko

    You still not come to terms with Arteta being the appointment.

    It’s done bar the official announcement now.

    Most on here have to be honest though and admit that Arteta would not have been their personal choice and there is nothing wrong in saying that is his appointment is underwhelming. On appointment that is.

    We will see what the future holds with him.

  46. Marko

    Ishola I’ll come to terms with Arteta I’m just not going to pretend that it’s a smart appointment

  47. Ishola70

    It will be tough for him to get back into top four and as said before as the league is very much a six team league now it would be unacceptable if he drops from the six and finishes lower than this season.

  48. MoW

    jeez, what a joke. we sign Arteta and lose Usmanov is the same month. how pathetic. Arteta is cheap, and a yes man the two other directors can boss around. it’s gonna be horrible. and if Usmanov bankrolls Everton into the CL then god help us.

  49. Coach 15

    If it goes tits up at least we know Stan doesn’t like empty seats,and that’s the way to go after him in the future.

  50. Dissenter

    Is Usmanov leaves..then we really royally fu*ced.
    Kroenke will have free reign.

    Usmanov can sell to whom he chooses but the shares will end up with Koenke eventually.

  51. E54_

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44150823

    pedro shills choice ha. Save all the tweets, screenshot everything. If
    and when Arteta takes over and falls over arse first into excuses like, “It’s my first season we all need time” loser excuses. Ill be there to shove it. I told you so. We all told you so

    Gazidis is king maker? No, he’s made himself King. This is Gazidis’s club now.

  52. Leedsgunner

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5740719/Arsene-Wenger-backs-Mikel-Arteta-succeed-Arsenal-manager.html

    Arteta has Wenger’s blessing… is that a good thing?!?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5740859/Arsenal-hold-talks-Henry-vacant-managerial-position.html

    We don’t really know what is going on behind the doors at Arsenal at the moment, but if the Mail is to believed, to me, the last minute approaches to Vieira and Henry has to hall marks of a PR exercise all of over it… to legitimise Arteta’s coronation.

    Just so that the Board can say something like that they’ve done an exhaustive search, and even approached TH!4, and PV4, but they didn’t want the job so in the circumstances, that Arteta was the best man for the job.

  53. E54_

    Look how long it took for many Arsenal fans to even SEE that Wenger was a busted flush? He was done 5-6 years ago.. yet only NOW the last 25% of the fanbase accept this reality.. ONLY NOW???

    Ask yourself, why didn’t i see wenger was finished earlier?

    Now whatever that answer is.. Now ask yourself, is the same reason i didn’t see wenger was finished, the same reason i cant see why Arteta is the wrong choice?

    Open your eyes! Arsenal fans deserve everything they get. This is pathetic.

  54. TitsMcGee

    “Hiring Arteta just feels lazy to me, we’re hiring someone just because Pep and others say he is good. The sad thing is we have to take their word for it… why? Arteta has absolutely no track record to demonstrate it himself.”

    My biggest thing is he played with half these guys. They will see him as their pal.

  55. Thank you and goodnight

    I’ll say it again but I remember the day kroenke bought the club I turned to a gooner pal and told him we’re fucked as a club now. Looks like I was right

  56. champagne charlie

    “My biggest thing is he played with half these guys. They will see him as their pal.”

    Or he’s perfectly placed to know the strengths and weaknesses of each of them and can adjust accordingly, coach accordingly, or sell accordingly.

    An Allegri will have a vague idea about the current crop, but still need time to judge the squad. Arteta comes in and knows what’s good/bad immediately.

  57. Pierre

    Jasongms
    “The significant difference is that with Allegri, it’s almost guaranteed that he will leave the club/team (even if things went badly) in far greater shape than it currently is, solely based on his vast experience in management/coaching”

    Did David Moyes and van gaal not have vast experience in management /coaching.

    And did not guardiola and zidane have little experience in management /coaching when they were appointed at Barca and real.

  58. nepGunner

    AKBs still supporting the ghost of their master. Its pathetic!

    Arsenal needs a manager who can simultaneoulsy improve in-pitch performance as well as clear out Wenger’s mess.. which I believe will take at least 3-4 transfer windows. I’m not an expert on hiring football managers, but its outrageous to believe Arteta could do that with ZERO previous experience.

    What’s wrong with these pathetic idiots? Don’t they want to see Arsenal progress? I understand it’s not in the fans’ hand to appoint the next manager but it’s outright ludicrous to take a stance for a unproven prospect when the club needs a steady hand for at least next three years.

    As for those touting examples of Pep or Zindane…PLEASE don’t be so daft.. they took over clubs with established teams, solid technical setups, and adequate budget. I’ve nothing personal against Arteta, but with the mess we have at present, even Pep or Zidane would fail. Arteta will struggle. So let’s appoint someone with relative experience and get the ball rolling for a new chapter of the club. Arteta stinks of same old cheap Arsenal scam, infamous youth projects, and even the continuation of Wenger Mark II albeit reporting to Gazidis but still with zero ambition to improve. This will only make the AKBs still the AKBs (Arteta Knows Best) and would give them an excuse to vindicate their lord even after such spectacular failure of last 12 years.

  59. champagne charlie

    nep

    Loads of pompous shite in that post mate, why not dial it back a touch. You don’t have any cheat codes, what you’re spouting as fact is your appraisal of the circumstances and nothing more.

    Just so we’re clear, anyone who doesn’t fall in line with your vision is a “pathetic idiot”?

  60. TR7

    Les 23 #Bleus
    G : Lloris, Mandanda, Areola
    D : #Sidibé, Pavard, Varane, Umtiti, Kimpembe, #Mendy, Rami, L.Hernandez
    M : Kante, Pogba, Matuidi, Tolisso, #Nzonzi
    A : Griezmann, Giroud, Mbappe, Dembele, Fékir, Lemar, #Thauvin

    Payet ❌
    Lacazette ❌
    Martial ❌
    Coman ❌
    Rabiot ❌

  61. champagne charlie

    Pretty incredible that Matuidi and Thauvin made the squad tbh. Rabiot is strides better than him, Martial/Laca/Payet are better than Thauvin in whatever fashion you want to favour.

    Deschamps is an oddball though.

  62. TR7

    All the 5 players left out of the squad above are players I rate very very highly. Payet is an amazing player while Rabiot miles better than Matuidi. Martial better than Thauvin. I can see why Laca and Coman have missed out though, tough competition.

  63. London gunner

    Nep

    Great comment. This blog is mostly full of gormless losers tbh. (There are some great posters wenger eagle, dissenter ect)

    But most fans e are so wengerfied and pathetically unambitious that they would settle for a completely inexperienced novice.

    Let’s stop being such pussies and cheapskates and bring in a top quality manager who can make us a special club again.

    There are no guarantees with whoever we bring in but there are probabilities a world class experienced manager vs a novice it’s not rock science.

  64. champagne charlie

    Interesting that no Arsenal player made the EL squad of the season (not XI).

    – Most wins Arsenal
    – Most goals Arsenal
    – Most passes Arsenal
    – Semi final Arsenal

    Yet not one player was included in the 18 man Europa League squad of the season.

    Wtf….

  65. champagne charlie

    Full squad list and commentary from Uefa’s Technical Observers (whatever the fuck that is):

    Goalkeepers

    Jan Oblak (Atlético)
    Technical Observers say: The competition’s outstanding keeper, he performed when his team needed him most.

    Rui Patrício (Sporting CP)
    Technical Observers say: An important player for his team.

    Defenders

    Leonardo Bonucci (AC Milan)
    Technical Observers say: Milan’s skipper and talisman is happy defending and comfortable in possession of the ball.

    Diego Godín (Atlético)
    Technical Observers say: The winners’ defensive leader was impressive in his reading of the game, tackling and aerial ability.

    Stefan Lainer (Salzburg)
    Technical Observers say: The right-back provided five assists and was a key player in his team’s run to the semi-finals.

    Luiz Gustavo (Marseille)
    Technical Observers say: The converted defensive midfielder’s performances at the heart of Marseille’s defence were important on their road to Lyon.

    Bouna Sarr (Marseille)
    Technical Observers say: Displayed great energy and positivity. Looked dangerous in the final in particular. An impressive Europa League season for the former winger.

    Midfielders

    Bruno Fernandes (Sporting CP)
    Technical Observers say: Exciting midfielder whose goal against Astana was one of the best of the season. Scored three and contributed four assists in all.

    Naby Keïta (Leipzig)
    Technical Observers say: Box-to-box midfielder who impressed in five appearances in the competition and is important to his team.

    Koke (Atlético)
    Technical Observers say: Sets Atlético’s tempo with the ball and is one of the team’s chief organisers without it. Goal and assist in the final.

    Saúl Ñíguez (Atlético)
    Technical Observers say: Provides technical quality, a goal threat and additional physicality as part of Atlético’s midfield trio with Koke and Gabi.

    Gabi (Atlético)
    Technical Observers say: The third of Atlético’s key midfielders. Often deployed to the left of Koke and Saúl in a midfield four but provides additional workrate and quality wherever he plays.

    Diadie Samassékou (Salzburg)
    Technical Observers say: Outstanding young midfielder in a team of promising players.

    Forwards

    Gelson Martins (Sporting CP)
    Technical Observers say: Bright young player with a promising future. Impressed the observers.

    Antoine Griezmann (Atlético)
    Technical Observers say: Made the difference in the final and brings incredible intensity and composed finishing whenever he plays.

    Ciro Immobile (Lazio)
    Technical Observers say: The competition’s top scorer and a key player in Lazio’s run to the quarter-finals.

    Dimitri Payet (Marseille)
    Technical Observers say: No10 whose quality was evident throughout, creating chances, scoring brilliant goals against Leipzig and Athletic and providing top-class set-piece delivery.

    Timo Werner (Leipzig)
    Technical Observers say: Four goals in five games for the German international who is always a danger.

    UEFA Technical Observers in Lyon
    Jerzy Engel (Poland), Stefan Majewski (Poland), Ghenadie Scurtul (Romania), Milenko Ačimovič (Slovenia), Mixu Paatelainen (Finland), Thomas Schaaf (Germany)

  66. TR7

    Deschamps prefers physicality and athleticism to technical finesse,always has. Shit manager ! Spain my pick for the WC.

  67. Marko

    Who would you have in it Charlie? Keep in mind in the early stages we played the reserves and kids and in the second half of the competition we played the seniors.

    Also Laca missing out but Giroud gets in is honestly a joke. Giroud has struggled or impressed as much as Laca this season. In fact I’m pretty sure Laca has more goals. Deschamps just had a little chubby for Giroud it seems

  68. Thank you and goodnight

    @Nep

    Spot on about how badly Wenger has left the club in. Also agree will take couple years minimum to sort out this shit

  69. Marko

    The only ever present in the europa league for us would probably have been Ospina. Even though I’m pretty sure that Cech made some appearances at the end there

  70. Alex Cutter

    “If Arteta can comes to Arsenal as manger, 2 things can happen. He will either fail or succeed. If Allegri comes to Arsenal same thing applies to him.”

    So, according to your “logic”, if your team needs to convert a penalty to win the title, you might as well have a special needs, blind chimpanzee take your penalty instead of Ronaldo, since there are only two possible outcomes — fail or succeed. There’s absolutely no difference in who takes the penalty. One outcome is just as likely as the other.

    Fuck off.

  71. champagne charlie

    Marko

    I know you’re not a fan, but Ramsey bossed the Europa for us. He played 6 and scored 4 from midfield, yet Naby Keita is in there because he ” impressed in five appearances in the competition and is important to his team.”

  72. champagne charlie

    Marko

    Giroud has been good this season once again, but he’s there obviously as their best target man option. His inclusion isn’t hard to justify at all, plus he scores plenty for France.

  73. Alex Cutter

    “Henry was always my first choice out of all the ex-players.”

    To fuck?

    Because on his best days he’s an arrogant prick who would likely have as much success managing a team as Michael Jordan did.

  74. Guns of SF

    Seems like the club is expediting who they are talking too…. my guess is an announcement soon

  75. Paulinho

    The brightest spark out of all them mentally IMO. Naturally talented but deep thinker as well to get the best out of himself. Vieira was never really a thinker in my book. A leader but his incredibly bland interviews laden with cliches just smacked of someone who was an incredibly player but didn’t think much about the game after training.

    Henry used to watch games religiously as a player – even league 1 games- and knew every player from every team. So similar to Arsene in terms of swattery. He has that natural passion and thirst for it.

    Experience at Barca under Pep added a new dimension to his interpretation of the game.

    A person that demands respect and has had the right amount of time away from the current lot to not feel too attached to them so won’t experience same potential issue as Arteta.

    His temperament (perceived arrogance) is an issue but I said he was perfect. Just my first choice out of all the ex-players.

  76. Paulinho

    TR7 – He dithers and takes an age to express a point because he’s too much of a politician on TV.

    He’s a lot more candid off camera. Jamie Redknapp spoken of how knowledgeable he is, and I bet a lot of it off-camera talk.

  77. champagne charlie

    Paulinho

    So pure subjective speculation about his intellect?

    There won’t be any corroboration from a coaching perspective considering he’s spent more time in the studio than the training ground. Really odd for anyone to pitch Henry as “best” of any particular subgroup.

    He’s the least qualified/defendable candidate there is, you’ve basically just told an idealistic tale about Henry.

  78. champagne charlie

    “Isnt Josh K a big fan of TH14? I can see this pick getting more traction”

    Ding ding ding

  79. TR7

    ‘He dithers and takes an age to express a point because he’s too much of a politician on TV.’

    Yeah exactly, this is why I find him bland and unintelligent. Most former Arsenal players shy away from criticizing Wenger and Arsenal too much for obvious reasons and I understand that but still they comfortably put their points across. Henry sounds and looks so confused. Also I am not sure he can handle criticism if he is given charge of Arsenal.

  80. Paulinho

    Charlie – It’s an opinion, of course it’s going to be subjective and speculative to an extent.

    Idealistic tale, what bollocks. Henry has come out with plenty of tactical insights during his time on TV and it’s a fact he’s a student of the game, and not been nudged into coaching like Vieira has been by City.

    I suppose he’s in your bad books because he called out Xhaka for his shit passing earlier in the season.

  81. Paulinho

    “He’s the least qualified/defendable candidate there is, you’ve basically just told an idealistic tale about Henry.”

    And the irony of that comment coming from someone championing Arteta.

  82. karim

    Payet is injured

    Rabiot hasn’t shown much with France ( and doesn’t want to play number 6 ) while n’zonzi immediately played well at that level.

    Thauvin has 22 goals and 13 assists and will not play a lot anyway.
    Plus we´ ve got loads of solution in that area.

    Martial struggled this year for various reasons.

    Good list overall, feel a little sad about Laca’s omission though.

  83. champagne charlie

    “I suppose he’s in your bad books because he called out Xhaka for his shit passing earlier in the season.”

    Oh, can’t handle criticism so you have a hissy fit and make erroneous statements.

    “And the irony of that comment coming from someone championing Arteta.”

    1. I’m championing Allegri, and have done for two years
    2. Henry doesn’t have the coaching pedigree Arteta does, to argue that is laughable.

    You’re asserting Henry based purely on this anecdotal idea he’s a “student of the game”. It’s paper thin.

  84. Paulinho

    Paper thin possibly when compared to Allegri, Klopp, Ancellotti.

    Not when in the esteemed (sarcasm) company of Vieira, Arteta. All three are unproven and punts.

    Arteta’s biggest claim to fame is improving Raheem Sterling. I have a feeling Henry could be quite handy at that type of thing………..

  85. Marc

    Gary Neville – Sky Pundit and Ass Manager for Belgium and then tried to manage at Valencia.

    Thierry Henry – Sky Pundit and Ass Manager for Belgium.

    Using “tactical insights on TV” as a reason someone’s qualified to managed is as much bullshit as saying “worked alongside Pep” is.

  86. champagne charlie

    Paulinho

    Yea thats the difference, you have a ‘feeling’ whilst someone like Arteta and even Vieira have been doing it.

    Your ‘student of the game’ patter is bollocks, being knowledgeable about football doesn’t make you a football coach/manager. The ability to coach/manage shows that you can apply knowledge, which is a different entity altogether.

    Arteta is most coveted, most endorsed, and has been part of one of the best coaching setups since leaving Arsenal. Vieira has managerial experience, but it’s in Sunday League football. Henry has coaching badges and a Sky contract. So whilst all three may be unproven, Henry is yet to prove capable of choosing a coaching career over punditry, so its farcical to compare him to someone part of the league champions success this season.

  87. Marko

    Giroud scored 7 for us and 5 for Chelsea so 12 all season long. Lacazette scored 17 goals this season. Maybe if he was given more than 16 measly appearances for France he’d have more goals for France. Fact is if you make a case for Martial and others missing out on form or Thauvin making it on form then there’s a case for a striker who scored more this season making the squad over a striker who scored less. Fuck even Ben Yedder scored 21 goals this season.

  88. Marko

    Experience at Barca under Pep added a new dimension to his interpretation of the game.

    Also as much experience with Pep as Arteta. That’s all it takes really these days

  89. Marc

    Marko

    There’s a world of difference to following the plan and being part of forming it. We don’t know how much influence Arteta has at City, only he seems to be rated.

    It’s a huge risk – none of us really know just how calculated a risk it is. If it works Gazidis comes off as a genius, if it goes seriously pear shaped he could easily pay with his job.

  90. Marko

    “He’s the least qualified/defendable candidate there is, you’ve basically just told an idealistic tale about Henry.”And the irony of that comment coming from someone championing Arteta.

    Don’t wanna get into a back and forth thing but fucking A. Dismissing the credentials of Vieira and Henry only to pass off Arteta as a viable option is honestly a stretch. None of them should be seen as viable candidates

  91. Dissenter

    Guardiola just extended his city contract to 2021
    Pedro would have us believe that City were grooming Arteta to take over in 2022!

  92. Guns of SF

    Id be more open to an PV4 with Arteta as first assistant
    They might compliment each other- disciplinarian and tactician, both respected at the club… both young and amibtious.
    but hey, we can speculate anything right about now… all in the dark

  93. Marko

    Arteta’s biggest claim to fame is improving Raheem Sterling.

    Yeah can we stop this bollox please he’s 23 years of age his last two years at Liverpool he scored 10 and 11 goals and his first two years at City he scored 11 and then 10 goals. This season he got 23 seems fairly progressive no? I mean if we’re giving Arteta credit for Sterling’s goals this season shouldn’t we be asking questions of why he didn’t improve him the first season. Basically I think a lot of the Arteta credit seems to be subjective. Man City were incredible last season and deserve all the credit for it but the previous season they were a disappointment

  94. Marc

    Guns of SF

    ” all in the dark” and that’s the thing – some people on here are stating opinion as fact.

    Arteta could be the second coming – he could be fucking awful.

  95. leon

    I do think we can do better than Arteter but whom ever is brought will only be the head coach , they will not have full control over the club the way Wenger did. Before the way transfers were being well let’s face it, it was a joke. So who ever comes will just be coaching the team. For me we need to off load some players, this is just me, I want to see at least one powerhouse in midfield. I would not offer Casorla a new contract he is too injury prone and he is 33 now. The spine of the team is extremely weak. I would sell Ospina and Keep,chek as number 2. In central defence evwhich in my opinion had a mess, I don’t trust any of them really, it like koselny will be out for some time Mustafi we need sell him for sure, In would put Rob Holding out on loan. The midfield is too weak for me xhaka is not dm and is far too slow, I don’t see what he brings to the team

  96. champagne charlie

    “Fact is if you make a case for Martial and others missing out on form or Thauvin making it on form then there’s a case for a striker who scored more this season making the squad over a striker who scored less”

    What part of TARGET MAN are you missing? You can make a case for Martial/Laca over Thauvin because they’re not too dissimilar. Advocating 5’9 Laca for 6’4 Giroud is missing a rather obvious point.

    “Dismissing the credentials of Vieira and Henry only to pass off Arteta as a viable option is honestly a stretch”

    They’re being considered in a vacuum, and it was in response to Paulinho suggesting Henry was the “best” candidate based on nothing but an idea of intellect.

  97. Marko

    What part of TARGET MAN are you missing? You can make a case for Martial/Laca over Thauvin because they’re not too dissimilar. Advocating 5’9 Laca for 6’4 Giroud is missing a rather obvious point.

    Oh so fuck how many goals a striker scores height is an important factor for your THIRD CHOICE striker. I dunno about you but if I want my back up to come off the bench I’d prefer one who’s in form. But sure each to their own. England should have brought Andy Carroll I say

  98. champagne charlie

    marko

    What are you blabbering on about you man-child? Giroud will more than likely be starting striker for Deschamps. Even if he’s coming from the bench, when Griezmann and Fekir aren’t doing the business with cute interplay and quick movement; why would bringing another one of those types be much of a tactic at all?

    Giroud is a brilliant bench option and offers something nobody else in their side does as a forward. Is it really that hard to work out?

  99. Marko

    Not everything has to be an argument Charles. I think a striker who scores more goals should be considered over someone who doesn’t. Fuck me right

  100. champagne charlie

    Marko

    You encourage arguments because you dismiss the context thats being stated. Giroud is there because he gives France a different option that’s proven at that level.

    In fact it’s one of the most traditional tactics going, throwing on a big man. Yet you refuse to endorse it lol

  101. karim

    Marko

    How many goals has OG scored for France ? A lot more than Laca.
    Plus Griezmann is at his best with Giroud.
    Sad but true.

    Ben Yedder has 1 cap, Deschamps won’t run the risk.
    Don’t necessarily agree.

  102. champagne charlie

    Reiss Nelson PL2 player of the season.

    Has never looked up to much when in the first team, either needs a loan or his mentality is questionable. Obviously talented.

  103. Ray in LA

    Disclosure: I liked and like Wenger, but for many years it had been obvious something needed to change and that it wouldn’t be Wenger that changed.

    I am less pessimistic about the current state of the club than many voices I read here. Aubameyang, Lacazette and Mkhitaryan are exciting ingredients for our attack and several of the defenders were quite-well rated until they came to us.

    Also, somebody [sorry forgot who] mentioned a couple of days ago that there were some very attractive free agents this summer that could substantially improve the team — given that we reportedly have a very limited transfer budget.

    So my sense at the moment is that, if the current players play to their potential in a system that is designed for them, we will substantially improve.

    Can Arteta accomplish this? I don’t know, but while I too would like an Allegri, I don’t think it absolutely needs a tier-1 manager — a very competent one would move us a long-way forward.

  104. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    Looks like the media has got bored with arsenal an the quest for the new leader of the poison chalice ……

    Laughing stock on the pitch now the laughing stock off it

    When will they ever learn

  105. London gunner

    Even the arseog guys are saying its a huge risk to appoint Arteta, it’s time to move away from the romantic stories and take the pragmatic choice….

    Hundred percent agree

  106. Thomas

    The fact that Arteta is even considered for the job is an utter joke but at the same time so Arsenal like. Always wants to do everything the odd way.

  107. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    Jack no cash
    Cech – 2 mil
    Ospina – 5 m
    Jenkinson – 2 m
    Mustafi – 15 m
    Perez – 8m
    Rambo 15m
    Welbeck -10m
    Xhara – 20 although I don’t think they will sell
    Elnenny- 10m

    79m approx there

    I think that’s a fair can’t pay winter pay valuation

    U agree

  108. Thomas

    Take the 2015 summer transfer window for example. Only club in Europe not to sign an outfield player. Why? Because it’s “the Arsenal way” whatever the fuck that means.

  109. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    They obvisiousely want the new coach to jump through hoops and agree to a lot of things not being in his remit,,,,

    Maybe that’s why there struggling to fill the role and only a rookie will agree to it .

  110. Paulinho

    Arteta is ‘doing’ nothing of any note. No one takes the role of assistant – in lieu of a possible manager role – remotely seriously.

    They had a crap season in his first and spent a boatload of money (very intelligently) to put in the season they just did. Arteta is a footnote and irrelevance in Guardiola’s success, whether at City or anywhere else.