Austrian Arsenal spoke to last year leaves club, but for who?

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Atleti won the Europa League, Griezmann’s first major trophy… but it should have been ours!

I cannot believe we didn’t make 10 men at home count for more than nothing.

A lot of ‘why don’t we hire Diego’ after the game.

  • He likes Atletico
  • He likes Inter Milan
  • He doesn’t speak English

I’m also not sure if you’d want that sort of football at Arsenal. I mean, some fan now seem impervious to the idea of bringing negative football back to Arsenal, I can’t help but think they’d be disappointed in that.

Not that I’d be against Simeone, I’m just not sure we need to go there.

One manager the club certainly like is Ralph Hassenhutl, the German went on the record last year to say he’d spoken to Arsenal about the potential opening at the club. That’s three Bundesliga managers we know the club were interested in, having spoken to Schmidt and Tuchel the same summer. Anyway, point of the thread is the Austrian has quit his position at Leipzig after two seasons with the Redbull outfit. He finished an incredible second last year, but couldn’t quite replicate that form this year, dropping down to 6th.

The 50-year-old found managerial fame taking German minnows Ingolstadt to the Bundesliga with a promotion, then keeping them in the league with a powerful defensive system that made up for having the worst attack in the league.

It’s unclear who rang the change bell, Rangnick or the manager. But the post-firing commentary was very positive from their Sporting Director.

“I would have liked to go into the new season with Ralph Hasenhuttl as our head coach,”

“I came to the realisation that another year together to begin with would have been sufficient. For Ralph however, there was no alternative to a premature contract extension. It was his explicit wish to terminate the contract and we accepted that with a heavy heart.

“In the past few season, Ralph has been incredibly impressive with a huge contribution and put in a lot of work. I don’t see Ralph as just a very talented coach but he’s also an incredible person. From the bottom of my heart, I wish him all the best for the future, both professionally and privately.”

Where Hassenhutl is planning on going next is a mystery. He reckons he turned down Bayern in January.

“The fact is that today I spoke with no other club, except that I once had a loose contact with Bayern Munich.

“I said that I cannot imagine that I am not a solution for Bayern, because I lack the international experience.”

The coach who compares himself Klopp when it comes to philosophy made an odd choice considering he’s 50 years old, but who am I to judge? That’s why I wonder if he’d move to Arsenal?

Anyway, he fits our brief from a philosophical perspective. He’s very organised, knows how to drill a defence, his game is all about intense pressing, he’s had to coach young kids at Redbull (they pride themselves in developing the youth between 17-23), and he’s picked up some of the flair Rangnick was famous for.

He’d be a solid hire, not an overly exciting one… though he does run up and down the sideline, something fans equate with winnertivity I believe.

Interesting that Bayern Munich, a mega club who signed Carlo and Pep, have opted to sign the Frankfurt coach Niko Kovac. The German-born Croatian doesn’t have much of a CV, he played some exciting direct football under Frankfurt for the past two seasons, but he’s hardly WINNER like you might think Bayern would want after not winning the CL for a while. The big pull for them was having a German and that German having played for the club. He has that emotional tie to Bayern, and that’ll take the edge off them not landing a mega name.

Anyway, point is, they’re a bigger club than us, with better players, and they’re hiring someone who basically did a good job of not getting Frankfurt relegated.

The Galactico manager is a dying breed, unless they bring the magic football…

Not that I’d ever bring the post back to who I want Arsenal to sign.

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  1. Thanos

    1st place first time someone would be great but the style of football for me would be a massive change to what we see every week

  2. Thanos

    I mean simeone not someone of course. We would need a massive player change up for him to come in and work. Looks like it could well be arteta. Not sure how no experience can help at such a massive club like ours though. Are they setting him up to fail ?

  3. DM

    Pedro

    “…the German went on the record last year…”
    “…point of the thread is the Austrian has quit…”

    Make up your mind mate 🙂

  4. Guns of Hackney

    Thanos

    Don’t confuse potential with actual facts. Arsenal could be one of the biggest but they are a long way off. We’re not even the top club in London anymore mate.

    It’s a bit like when people say Newcastle are a big club. They really aren’t. Not at all.

  5. HighburyLegend

    Terrible mistake from Marseille’s defense last night on the first goal…
    They did what we still call – (but thank god Farteta come to change everything) – an “Arsenal”.

  6. EdTheRed

    14th – and that is where Arsenal will finish if we employ Mikael “never managed a game of football in my life” Arteta as a manager.

  7. HighburyLegend

    Why the new coach still not announced yet ??
    This is Arteta, not Allegri or Ancelotti FFS!!

  8. Emiratesstroller

    Arsenal have never recruited “Galactico” Managers. They have either recruited people who have links with Arsenal or those like Wenger and Rioch who were below radar.

    Wenger did become a “Galactico” Manager, but as we have seen outstayed his
    welcome.

    Arsenal are most definitely a club at the top table of English Football even if
    we are failing to perform at that level.

    The club’s revenues place us third in pecking order and we have been members of top division since 1918. No other club comes close to that record.

    Some posters seem to forget that Manchester United have not won the league
    title in last 5 years and have also failed twice in that time to finish in top 4. Chelsea have failed to finish in top 4 three times in last 5 years.

    Liverpool have not won a league title since 1990 and Spurs since 1960.

  9. EdTheRed

    “Anyway, point is, they’re a bigger club than us, with better players, and they’re hiring someone who basically did a good job of not getting Frankfurt relegated.”

    You can do better than that Pedro. You know very well that major differece is this – Bayern have no real competition in Bundesliga and they can afford to employ manager of lesser experience. Arsenal however have at least FIVE clubs to catch up with in Pr3miership and are in absolutely no position to employ someone with NO msnagerial experience whatsoever. It is absolute madness, it is football equivalent of hard brexit.

  10. Guns of Hackney

    The more hate for Arteta the more I desperately want him to get the job.

    Lego man will do a good job and if not…we’ll change out his hair or body and bingo, we have a new guy.

  11. Marko

    Sky running the Arteta interview today and he’ll be given 50 million to spend. I guess now we know why he targeted. This appointment was always going to say a lot about Stan and Ivan and boy does it

  12. Guns of Hackney

    The £50m is a ruse. It might be £50m but we could potentially raise another £100m by offloading some of the shite.

    I’ve never understood this whole club telling every man jack about how much cash they have. No one knows for sure.

    Anyway, some surgery and a bit of good coaching might be enough to see some improvements.

  13. HighburyLegend

    “Lego man will do a good job and if not…we’ll change out his hair or body and bingo, we have a new guy.”

    He’s young, and he will have a long term contract.
    Those who think that he will be fired quickly if his methods don’t work are complete fools.

  14. Marko

    Those who think that he will be fired quickly if his methods don’t work are complete fools.

    How many years and how many obvious failures did we allow with Arsene? And all of a sudden we’re a strong willed sacking club? My ass we’re meek to say the least

  15. Graham62

    GOH

    “Anyway, some surgery and a bit of good coaching might be enough to see some improvements”

    Things that Wenger was incapable of.

    This has nothing to do with money.

    It’s a mindset.

  16. alexanderhenry

    Marko

    ‘This appointment was always going to say a lot about Stan and Ivan and boy does it’.

    Yes, it does. As I’ve said before, Arsenal has effectively rebranded itself as a tier two European club like Dortmund or Athletico.

    Those clubs have been relatively succesful , so there is hope.
    The honeymoon period for Arteta or whoever the new coach is will be short though.

  17. Black Hei

    “The £50m is a ruse. It might be £50m but we could potentially raise another £100m by offloading some of the shite.”

    If you can raise 100m by selling shite, I want in on that business.

  18. Steveyg87

    We now look dead certain to bring in Arteta, I hope to god this doesn’t blow up in our faces. Would have loved an appointment to sort our pansies out, maybe Arteta is that guy

  19. Emiratesstroller

    No-one knows for sure exactly how much Arsenal will spend this summer. The club is always secretive about their business.

    Also does it really make sense telling the world that you have a budget of £200
    million as some managers and clubs delight in doing? Such statements result
    in inflation of transfer fees.

    Much better to plead poverty and secure players at the right [realistic] prices.

    Arsenal’s transfer budget in recent years has been £50-100 million dependent
    on outgoing sales. As I wrote earlier we have a net annual budget of £50 million.

    However, this season we spent just over £100 million and generated more in
    sales. So we did not actually spend our net budget.

  20. Steveyg87

    “Yes, it does. As I’ve said before, Arsenal has effectively rebranded itself as a tier two European club like Dortmund or Athletico.Those clubs have been relatively succesful , so there is hope.
    The honeymoon period for Arteta or whoever the new coach is will be short though.”

    Arsenal, if they get their sh!t straight, stand shoulder to shoulder with LIverpool and Man United, make no mistake. Yesterday I heard we were Man City’s B team and now we are second tier? No….

  21. Leedsgunner

    I might get completely shot down in flames for this but if our club is willing to hire a complete novice on Pep’s say so… here’s a few more left field suggestions.

    Who is the best qualified and experienced woman right now working in world football? Why not give her a shot? She can’t be any worse than a complete novice Arteta. I’m not saying she should be hired BECAUSE she is a woman but because of her experience.

    Who is the best qualified black, Asian or Oriental coach working in World Football? Why not approach them? Again, I’m not saying they should be hired because of their skin colour but if a club like Arsenal can give a minority candidate a chance BECAUSE they are qualified and EXPERIENCED why not?

    If we are willing to take such a huge punt on Arteta, why not them?

    What do we have to lose?

  22. Peckobill

    With the delay in the announcement it does give a little hope that it might not be Arteta as there’s little reason to delay things if it is him , maybe it’s just so it looked like they were taking their time .
    If they do go Arteta it will show once and for all how ambitious the board and owner are about winning things .
    Has anyone heard what Mislintat and sanllehi are earning at the club as I wouldn’t be surprised they’ve gone cheap with Arteta so they can just spread what Wenger was earning across three people and not be out of pocket

  23. Emiratesstroller

    I would like to point out that there are very few clubs in global football who spend even £50 million net.

    The only clubs who can and will do so with any regularity have been Man Utd,
    Man City and PSG. Even Chelsea no longer do so.

    Real Madrid did spend occasionally massive amounts of money but only when
    supported financially by National or State Government + Banks. That is no
    longer happening.

    Some posters need to take a look at Transfermarkt over past 5 years. Most clubs including likes of Bayern Munich, Juventus,Liverpool and Spurs spend a lot less than us net. If they spend mega bucks it is covered by sales.

  24. Graham62

    The negativity towards Arteta is unwarranted.

    Too many managers talked about on here, are over-hyped.

    I like the fact that he is an unknown quantity.

    BRING IT ON!

  25. alexanderhenry

    ES

    Like Wenger Arteta or whoever will spend what he’s given. I predict Arsenal will spend a maximum of £50 million this summer, if that.

    Also, I don’t see much extra coming in from player sales.

  26. Receding Hairline

    Wenger was not the reason for the negativity on here

    Now i am convinced on that.

    Some of you will never be pleased unless the club does exactly what you want no matter how unrealistic or outlandish.

    There is actually such a thing as an unpopular decision and they have been made since the beginning of time and will continue to be made , some work out some do not .

  27. Graham62

    The only investment Arsenal need to make over the next few months is in retraining the players and personnel who remain at the club

    Basic team building exercises are easy to perform and I’m sure the players would appreciate and benefit from some honest and frank discussions.

    All this talk of money drives me mad.

  28. steve

    “The only investment Arsenal need to make over the next few months is in retraining the players and personnel who remain at the club”

    ___

    Yeah I’m sure that’s the only thing that needs to be done. Lol.

  29. Leedsgunner

    For those who might say it is too great a risk to hire a woman, a black coach, an Asian coach, an Oriental coach even if they have all the skills and experience… then I ask this. Isn’t that hypocritical?

    Why is that risk made more palatable just because Arteta, a young white man who is endorsed by a another young white man endorses him despite his lack of experience?

    A person should get hired for this job at this great club because they have the best skills, experience regardless of their background, skin colour etc…

    If Arteta, without any first hand experience is good enough, why not them if they have the experience he lacks?

  30. Bamford10

    Sanllehi and Mislintat will spend whatever money is available to them, and this will be determined by our cash flow statement and balance sheet, not by Stan Kroenke.

    And if they hire Arteta, it is because they think he is young, smart and ambitious. They are not doing so because they are happy with being also-rans.

    And if it turns out we “only” have 50m, then that’s what our self-sustaining model provides us at the moment. If you want a different model or owner, send a letter to the board.

  31. Bamford10

    I told you Alexander was sticking with his “Wenger always spent what he was given to spend” bollocks.

  32. HighburyLegend

    @Hairdry : You seems to be surprised that many of us on Le Grove thinks that our club deserve more than “just” Arteta as a coach…

    (don’t get me wrong, I hope Arteta will succeed, even if I’m disapointed by the board’s choice)

  33. Bamford10

    Graham

    Are you of the opinion that the existing squad can finish top four next season? With no additions?

    Receding

    No, Wenger was the reason, but there are a lot of people with strong views here, so they are bound to be upset by this or that decision. That’s what makes this place what it is. It would be boring as fuck if everyone here just said, “whatever the club decides is fine with me.”

  34. Guns of Hackney

    G62

    I agree that the mindset under Wenger absolutely stank. Frankly, it was pathetic.

    I hope that however comes in does have the balls to discipline or demote the jerks who much about or go on sick leave.

    Arteta may not appear to be a brute but those days are over. Jose rarely gets a performance out of a player he publicly destroys. In fact in has the reverse effect.

    People are really down on the potential appointment of Arteta because he doesn’t have any experience and or, he wasn’t a world beater as a player. For me, this isn’t as important as it once was. Teams aren’t managed by one guy…it’s a collective of individuals. Coaches, trainers, DOF, CEO, fitness etc.

    It’s not like Arteta won’t know what to do. He’s been in football, he has worked with the best, he’s respected by the best and let’s not forget that rumours that he could one day manage arsenal go back a few years. This isn’t just something that has popped up.

    People are panicking. It’s football. Nothing more.

    Arteta, IF he is appointed will do a fine job. I hope. To be honest, after Wenger…a fresh approach is welcome.

  35. Dplanet

    I feel strangely confident about Arteta. He is known to be a great coach and that is exactly what we need. We will no longer has this old fashioned ‘one man does everything’ nonsense. Anyone who understand the decline we’ve seen under Wenger will know that the only way is up – we have some great players – we’ll buy a couple more and hopefully get rid of some of the shit. Then we’ll see what proper coaching with a modern footballing set-up can do.

  36. Steveyg87

    “I told you Alexander was sticking with his “Wenger always spent what he was given to spend” bollocks”

    Thought he would slip it in there unnoticed…

  37. Ishola70

    Strange that people are giving out the line that the club know what they are doing here and from obvious anti-Wenger folk.

    This club hung on to Wenger for too long but now we hear that the Arteta appointment is in safe hands. Or so implied.

    Safe hands? A CEO who has never been in a position at the club where he had had to ever appoint a manager before a rookie himself in this aspect and a guy from across the pond who is being a new play toy by his daddy.

  38. Guns of Hackney

    Black hei

    £100m could be raised easily.

    Iwobi £15m
    Welbeck £12m
    Wilshere £25m
    Ramsay £35-40m
    Bellerin £25m
    Mustafi £18m
    Chambers £15m
    Elneny £12m
    Ozil £30m (wages obviously a prob)

    There is money there and I think we could improve every position for a fraction of the cost of we do smart things and start coaching players correctly.

    There is money and there is hope.

  39. Dissenter

    Bamford
    “I told you Alexander was sticking with his “Wenger always spent what he was given to spend” bollocks”

    If it’s true that we have a limited £50 million budget then Alexander may have a point after all.
    Arteta may have a limited budget too.
    You’ve just admitted as much when you said “And if it turns out we “only” have 50m, then that’s what our self-sustaining model provides us at the moment. If you want a different model or owner, send a letter to the board“
    It is plausible that Wenger only spent what he was given.

  40. Marko

    And if they hire Arteta, it is because they think he is young, smart and ambitious. They are not doing so because they are happy with being also-rans.

    If we appoint an inexperienced coach over an experienced manager and give him a small budget to sort out things then they are happy with being also rans. What does Arteta and 50 million say compared to Allegri and say 150 million? A bloody lot. And there’s nothing wrong with self sustainability but at the same time there’s nothing to stop Stan from taking a foot forward approach and occasionally demanding more and dipping into his own pockets. No one’s saying that he needs to spend 100’s of millions again and again and again but the club needs better than a novice and a 50 million budget.

    For the record I don’t quite believe the 50 million stuff because by all accounts it seems Leno at 22 million, Seri at 35-40 million, the Turkish lad for 30 odd million and Sokratis for 20 million are being seriously targeted. Sure we’ll sell some but we still need more so no way we just have 50 million. It’s all about perception

  41. Leedsgunner

    “It’s not like Arteta won’t know what to do. He’s been in football, he has worked with the best, he’s respected by the best and let’s not forget that rumours that he could one day manage arsenal go back a few years. This isn’t just something that has popped up.”

    They said EXACTLY the same type of things when Gary Neville was appointed at Valencia… he lasted three months… and we are a bigger club than Valencia so the consequences will be greater.

  42. Bamford10

    Ishola

    Raul Sanllehi is helping with the recruitment of a new manager, just as he did at Barcelona. This is partly why he was brought in. Why are you talking as if Gazidis is alone in a room, making all the decisions?

  43. Steveyg87

    “It is plausible that Wenger only spent what he was given”

    How does a manager go from just buying a has been goalie to spending 100 mill the next summer? Doesn’t make sense

  44. Guns of Hackney

    Stevey

    Everton paid money for Walcott. I rest my case.

    Leeds

    Neville is a good example but…he’s a fucking manc and walking in a straight line and chewing gum is impossible for them.

  45. Ishola70

    Bamford

    There have been reports that the Barca guy was more in favour of appointing a more experienced coach for example Enrique before it was said Enrique had unrealistic demands from the club.

    So you can’t put out his name as evidence that the appointment is in great hands.

    If Arsenal can’t and won’t appoint a more experienced manager that get the majority of fans really excited so be it but shouldn’t really give out that everything is hunky dory here.

  46. Marko

    I told you Alexander was sticking with his “Wenger always spent what he was given to spend” bollocks.

    He’s wrong about that. Absolutely right about Stan being a shit owner with zero ambitions. Like I said the manager appointment is going to say a lot about Arsenal under Stan Kroenke it’ll say a lot about his ambitions. Signing up a coach with two years experience who’s never managed says one thing. Hiring a coach like Allegri or Carlo or Enrique says something completely different

  47. Leedsgunner

    If Arteta is so good, let’s put that to the test… and let Man City take the risk.

    Let’s throw £50m at Pep to get him… and when Man City complain, tell them Arteta is just as good — because Pep says so…

    Even if we spent nothing in the transfer window I would feel better about giving Pep £50m. Why? His experience! He would get the most out of this squad.

  48. Rambo Ramsey

    Bamford, clearly you forget the many, many arguments we have had previously where I would ask you- ‘What guarantee do you have that Arsenal will hire a proper manager next and not a second rate cheap option?’ and you would reply-‘Your argument makes no sense. Why wouldn’t they hire the best available man?’

    Well here we are, close to appointing a complete novice. And instead of realizing your faith was misguided, you continue to suck up to Kroenke and co. With regards to both financials and the appointments.

    Whatever floats your boat.

  49. Marc

    It’s funny the world and his dog know what Arsenal’s transfer budget is for this window is but no one has a clue what ManU, the Spud’s, Chelsea, Liverpool or Everton will spend.

  50. Guns of Hackney

    Kroenke is not a bad owner. Far from it. From what I can see he doesn’t do anything wrong except for not going to matches. So what?

    He has never denied money to the club.

    He has never, as far as we know, said no to funds.

    Christ, the man gave out £100m + for a couple of forwards.

    Wenger pissed it away. That’s not the owners fault.

    Me thinks there is an issue with Kronkes Americanism. I don’t care that an owner goes to games, I care that an owner does right by the club.

    Kronkes mistake and don’t get me wrong, it was a big flipping mistake, was allowing Wenger to carry on.

  51. Marko

    Why are you talking as if Gazidis is alone in a room, making all the decisions?

    Because Mikel Arteta is the favourite for the Arsenal job and not Enrique or Ancelotti or Allegri. You think Raul is willing to put his neck on the line for someone with two years experience?

  52. Bamford10

    OK, so the article below presents a decent picture of our financial situation as of March 1.

    Most important point is that we had 137m in cash reserves prior to the 56m purchase of Aubameyang.

    That would leave us theoretically with a cash balance of 81m.

    However, we must always keep at least 25m on hand in cash, so this may be where people are getting the 50m figure from.

    Barring (i) new cash in — which based on prior 6-month profits, could be about 12m — and (ii) player sales this summer, it looks like we have about 50m in disposable cash.

    I’ll allow the guys who work in finance to refine this assessment.

    “Arsenal record six month profit of £25.1m and keep £137.6m cash reserve in bank”
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/5694051/arsenal-record-six-month-profit-of-25-1m-including-137-6m-cash-reserve-in-bank/

  53. Guns of Hackney

    When Arteta wins the league…I’ll be waiting for an apology.

    How long do humans live these days? It’s about 300 right?

    Kidding. He’ll win the league in two seasons. Quote me on that.

  54. Emiratesstroller

    My guess is that the repetitive rumours about Leno and Sokratis are probably
    valid. These will cover two positions in team which need strengthening.

    Then any other material changes will be covered most probably by sales. The
    two most likely are either Mustafi or Ramsey. The departure of Mustafi would
    not concern me too much.

    Personally I would prefer to offload Wilshire rather than Ramsey, but if we
    need to upgrade in midfield the reality is that offloading the former will generate no revenue and Ramsey is now moving into final year of contract with
    no extension seemingly on horizon.

  55. alexanderhenry

    Guns of Hackney

    ‘Christ, the man gave out £100m + for a couple of forwards. ‘

    ..and arsenal recouped more than that in player sales.

  56. Victorious

    “How does a manager go from just buying a has been goalie to spending 100 mill the next summer? Doesn’t make sense”

    it really does,most especially when you take into consideration arsenal operates on a self-sustaining model coupled with the fact we only spend the amount of income we generate.

    Stan is really a frugal and measly owner,who has ZERO ambition to win the biggest prizes, fans would have been better off directing tirades towards him rather than Wenger for the greater good.

  57. Bamford10

    Marko

    Sure, it would be nice if we had an owner who was willing to dip into his own pockets. It doesn’t seem that we have that kind of owner. I’m not sure much more can be said or done about that.

    As for your Sanllehi comment above, I’m not sure I understand your point. Sanllehi and Gazidis are working together on this appointment. If Sanllehi felt strongly that Arteta was a bad decision, I think he would say so in the strongest terms possible.

    I mean, he is going to be associated with the appointment no matter what happens, and he works for Arsenal Football Club now; why would he want anything other than the best possible appointment?

  58. Guns of Hackney

    Woah. Just heard that Balottelli is on a free. We should be in there like Flynn. Mad as a fish but could still shake shit up on his day.

    PEA, Lacatallent and Mad Mario.

    Goals.

  59. Dissenter

    Marc,
    “It’s funny the world and his dog know what Arsenal’s transfer budget is for this window is but no one has a clue what ManU, the Spud’s, Chelsea, Liverpool or Everton will spend”

    The question of transfer budget would have come up al lot during this sojourn to find a new manager.
    -We may have leaked it to the media to screen out managers who will withdraw their application once they read it.
    -We may have told the agents of the coaches we interviewed during the exploratory stages that we have only £50 million to spend
    -We may have told the manager-candidates during the interview itself
    Don’t forget w have a new team that’s conducting our first job manager interview in 22 years, most of things can go wrong.

    I think the £50 million figure has some credibility to it. We just don’t know if it is gross spend or net spend.

  60. HighburyLegend

    “Why are you talking as if Gazidis is alone in a room, making all the decisions?”
    That’s why he fired wenger, to have all the power for himself…
    (being a bit ironic here)

    “When Arteta wins the league…I’ll be waiting for an apology. ”
    If he do, I’m ready to give you all the necessary apologies, in a heartbeat.

    And I will apologize to Arteta also, of course.

  61. Marko

    Hackney we paid for those forwards ourselves through the self sustainability model. There’s nothing to suggest it was Stans money. Nothing to suggest either that he’s withheld funds either. Always been hard to tell if he was a good owner with a bad manager or a bad owner with a bad manager. We’re about to find out I think. He hires a novice he’s not interested in competing. If he pulls out Allegri next week he is interested in competing.

  62. Bamford10

    Victorious

    You’ve missed the point of that comment. We had more than 100m in cash reserves in the summer of 2015, yet Wenger only spent 11m. Either he did not spend what was available to him — i.e., what actually happened — or Kroenke told him he could only spend 11m (a thoroughly debunked claim).

  63. Dissenter

    Guns
    “When Arteta wins the league…I’ll be waiting for an apology”
    …and if he stinks out the place, will you undress to feed the pigeons at Trafalger square?

  64. Guns of Hackney

    Marko

    Look, I don’t think appointing a novice is a sign that Arsenal are running up the white flag.

    Would getting Enrique for £15m a season be a sign of intent? I don’t think so.

    Arsenal have clearly looked around Europe and said “we want some of that”. Arsenal are taking a risk but so what. If Arteta works, amazing. Arsenal have just landed. If it goes wrong…well, at least they tried.

    I’m going to give Arsenal a bit of credit this time.

  65. Ishola70

    Bamford

    For the second time there have been reports that the Barca guy was more in favour of appointing a more experienced manager for example Enrique before it was said that his demands from the club were not realistic.

    So there is doubts that the Barca guy is 100% behind this appointment. Of course he will get behind it like everybody else but as said reported he wanted more experienced bigger name as first option.

  66. Marc

    Dissenter

    Or of course the papers could be making it up in the knowledge that every time they put that on line you click on it.

    I mentioned the other clubs for a very specific reason – they either all need to step up performance or have new rich owners. Outside of Neymar to Utd there hasn’t been any major speculation on transfers for these clubs – in fact any rumours around the Spud’s are either players on the way out or Poch sounding like he wants out.

  67. Guns of Hackney

    Dissenter

    It would be stranger if I got dressed to feed the pigeons!

    My day normally starts with a naked tube ride, 30 mins in the clink, a sandwich bag over my winkle and then off to Trafalgar Sq.

    Day in the life, mate.

  68. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    Am I alone in getting confused as to wnhat the hell the club are doing, I thought they had a plan but no I’m not so sure …..

    I’m seeing doors closing but windows opening….

  69. alexanderhenry

    Guns of Hackney

    He’s a shit owner for two reasons:

    1) Football is a speculative sport if you’re in it to win things. I’m not suggesting we should have or could have matched man city’s spending, but there have been periods when if Stan had invested even a relatively small amount, it would have made all the difference. Instead, he has stuck rigidly to self sustainability. The result is that the club has gone backwards.

    2) Sticking with Wenger for too long. This was lazy and counterproductive and sums up Stan’s couldn’t care less approach. In the end it has hurt the club

    Basically, an owner has two functions: finance and recruitment. There is nothing else he or she should get involved with ideally.

    Kroenke has failed on both counts.

    If you’re interested, have a look at his record with his other franchises.

  70. Dissenter

    Bamford
    I think it’s meaningless making deductions from the financials reported in the tabloids.
    There are many payments such as bonuses that aren’t publicly disclosed and the club will have accountants use creative means to hide them.
    It wasn’t reported until recently that Aubameyang had a hefty transfer bonus when he signed; makes sense because he came to us on the same wages he was in at Dortmund.

  71. Bamford10

    Ishola

    OK, maybe Sanllehi would have preferred a different appointment. So too would many of us. However, if he thought Arteta was a TERRIBLE idea, I don’t think we would be going forward with it. Sanllehi has WAY more football knowledge than Gazidis and more experience with decisions like this. If he was opposed to the decision, he would say so, and there would be an issue with moving forward on it.

  72. Guns of Hackney

    Alexander

    Agreed. I don’t know enough about Stan and America so I can’t comment. I’ve heard the rumours though.

    The Wenger decision was terrible and I addressed that but I still don’t really see that he has hamstrung Arsenal. Wenger spent poorly and recruited worse, but I’m not sure the owner should take that flack.

    Now Gazidis on the other hand…

  73. Bamford10

    Dissenter

    It’s not useless. It at least gives you a ballpark sense of things. And when you look at what I wrote above, it makes sense that people are saying we have roughly 50m. That’s roughly what we have — barring incoming new cash and any additional player sales.

  74. Marko

    Look, I don’t think appointing a novice is a sign that Arsenal are running up the white flag. Would getting Enrique for £15m a season be a sign of intent? I don’t think so.

    Appointing someone who’s never managed in his life as opposed to someone who’s won league titles and the champions league absolutely in a sign of intent

  75. Buckhurst Gun

    Leeds

    Has someone said Arsenal must not hire a person of colour?

    Genuine question – because I’m seeing your posts and wondering if I’ve missed something

  76. Emiratesstroller

    Dissenter

    Arsenal’s accounts are published in public domain. There are few secrets.

    You don’t need to read media reports by sports journalists to analyse them. They
    are probably just as pig ignorant as most media pundits [ex footballers] who can
    barely count let alone read a balance sheet.

  77. HighburyLegend

    “Has someone said Arsenal must not hire a person of colour?”

    They already did that by the past, wenger was grey.
    (sorry, couldn’t resist)

  78. alexanderhenry

    Guns of Hackney

    You’re right wenger did spend poorly:

    Ozil, Xhaka, mustafi, chambers in particular. The one really good signing he made, Sanchez, ended up leaving for a poor swap deal- and he went to man utd, something that’s unnacceptable as far as I’m concerned.

    However, from the stadium move up until the Ozil purchase, wenger had no transfer budget and had to sell or was unable to keep his best players.
    It didn’t have to be that way.

  79. Dissenter

    Buckhurst Gun
    Yes you have missed the premise of the entire post Leeds put up.
    Leeds wasn’t discussing that someone suggested Arsenal must not hire a person of color.

  80. Guns of Hackney

    I think we should try and unite for a bit. Wait and see what happens and roll with it.

    Arteta may not be everyone’s or anyone’s choice but that’s tough.

    We assume that Arsenal have gone cheap etc but…maybe just maybe no one actually fancied the job. We’re not privy to board meetings.

    Here’s the thing. Let’s say arsenal could have got:

    Ancelloti
    Jardim
    Enrique
    Tuchel
    Bagelsmann

    But they chose Arteta. Think about that for a minute. They decided on Arteta.

    I don’t think this was down to wages. I think Arsenal are going a different direction and they should be applauded for it.

  81. alexanderhenry

    Guns of hackney

    Agreed.

    I’m intrigued by the prospect of Arteta as manager . Let’s see how he gets on.

  82. Dissenter

    Emirates
    Did you know that we paid a sign on bonus for Aubameyang.
    Do you know the intricacies of the bonus structure for the players or their media rights from the broad financials laid out at the AGM?
    Players have agents who work by leaking stuff to the media to pressure the club.

    Financial statements do not reveal everything, not unless your a forensic accountant who can dig into the figures and ask for further information..

  83. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    Guns

    Your right

    It’s a big move if it goes wrong I’m sure they will address it a lot quicker than they left the wenger drama.

    Heck if these people are working in 5he best interest of the club what could go wrong .?

  84. Guns of Hackney

    Arsenal are signing Conchita from Eurovision as assistant.

    A black, one legged Jew as fitness coach.

    …and a traveller as pitch man.

    Progressive.

  85. Guns of Hackney

    I think Arteta will be in a tracksuit. I don’t like that.

    I think a manager should always wear a sheepskin fur collar long coat, drive a jag, six sovereign rings and a have a Cuban.

  86. Dissenter

    Guns of Hackney
    “Here’s the thing. Let’s say arsenal could have got:Ancelloti
    Jardim
    Enrique
    Tuchel
    Bagelsmann But they chose Arteta. Think about that for a minute. They decided on Arteta.”

    That’s why there’s an uproar in some quarters and head shaking disquiet in others.
    It certainly wasn’t about ambition, me thinks.
    It stinks of downscaling expectations and targets.
    Just one take of it.

    I don’t understand this notion of dissension tomthe appintment meaning division. This is not the military where everyone falls in line.
    Let people have their say in lampooning the club until the appintment is made. It’s just a debate, no one has the power to change anything.

    Arsenlog had a more nuanced and truthful approach than the media blitz that
    Pedro has been running. Honestly Pedro’s approach reeks of a freaking agenda (as much as I love him 🙂 )
    It’s okay to be uncomfortable with this appintment. It doesn’t mean you won’t sheath your sword and pray that he succeeds eventually.

  87. Leedsgunner

    Buckhurst

    No, I’m just posing a question for debate.

    If we have a truly open process, why are we hiring a complete newbie on the say so of a rival manager?

    Why not open up the process completely and hire the best candidate based on experience and the best skillset? Wouldn’t it then be wonderful if that candidate WAS a person of colour? Or a woman? Or a person from East Asia?

    I repeat you’re not hiring them because of their background alone, but because of their experience and skillset. Their background would be a powerful asset in demonstrating that we indeed are a global club. We talk of Arsenal values, why not show it in the hiring of our next manager? Why does hiring Arteta say?

    We’re Man City’s feeder club… not only do we sell them our best players… we train their coaches too! As I said before, if Man City is so convinced of Arteta’s goodness, let them take the risk… and give Pep to us!

    Hiring Arteta just feels lazy to me, we’re hiring someone just because Pep and others say he is good. The sad thing is we have to take their word for it… why? Arteta has absolutely no track record to demonstrate it himself.

    What if they’re wrong? Do you think Pep, or Sammy Lee or others that Pedro has quoted will give one damn about Arsenal? No, of course not… it’s another rival out of the way…

    I cannot believe that there isn’t one woman or a minority candidate out there in the whole of world football who isn’t more qualified than Arteta.

    This isn’t a smart decision. This is just a risky decision.

  88. Steveyg87

    “Raneri in. Arteta out”

    Speaking of Ranieri. Why not give Nigel Pearson a go? Leicester had already turned the corner by the time Ranieri was appointed. I really think its worth a punt, he wouldn’t take these half baked performances we produce week after week

  89. Guns of Hackney

    Dissenter

    Boom. You’re right. 100%. I’m honestly not trying to kick people’s doors in about Arteta and I certainly do not have any agenda from his appointment. I don’t write blogs and I don’t personally know Arteta.

    For me, I was done with Arsenal. Finished. Wenger has wrecked my love for the club and honestly, I didn’t ever see his leaving. So when arsenal FINALLY did the right thing, I was flabbergasted.

    Of course all the fantasy managers etc start going through your head but we have to be realistic. I think a lot of people thought Allegri would just leave Juve and walk into arsenal for nothing! Just because it’s arsenal? Nah. Our stock is low at the moment.

    I’m just over the moon that arsenal seem exciting again. It may not be a great reason but it’ll do for me right now.

    Arteta wasn’t my first choice or second or third. Not on the top 20. But, here we are and I’m getting in on the ground floor.

    Of course if he tanks, I’ll deny everything and if he does well I’ll become even more insufferable.

  90. Graham62

    B10

    I certainly believe that, given the right directives, the existing squad could compete for top four.

    Personally, I would only ditch Cech and bring back Martinez and Macey.

    The entire defensive unit, and I include everyone in this, must be breathing a collective sigh of relief, now that Wenger has left. Should Bould be given a second chance? Not sure about that.

    The new manager, should it be Arteta, will no doubt solve that one.

    Why panic? These players have been mismanaged for so long by clueless Wenger, but, imo, it will only take a few constructive and progressive sessions to reignite the flame.

  91. Emiratesstroller

    Dissenter

    The accounts covering Aubameyang’s earnings have not been published.

    The der Spiegel rumours if true will be covered by next accounts. The club
    will show all expenditure in those accounts and usually include details of top
    earners as they did with Wenger.

    Actually I am less concerned about Aubameyang’s alleged earnings than those of Ozil. Aubameyang’s basic salary is considerably less than Ozil and many of the proposed payments are performance related.

    Let’s be honest all football players wages in EPL are obscene and in most cases
    unwarranted.

  92. Graham62

    The sky is blue and the sun is shining. Wenger has left the building and, for the first time for many years, we can all feel positive about things.

    Bring on 2018-2019.

    Even looking forward to the World Cup.

  93. GoonerInNY

    Guns:

    “For me, this isn’t as important as it once was. Teams aren’t managed by one guy…it’s a collective of individuals. Coaches, trainers, DOF, CEO, fitness etc.”

    This is the key point.

    I have no idea if Arteta will be a good manager or not.

    However, I think we have to understand that in modern football thought, the all-powerful manager is no longer the ideal set up.

    It is true Kroenke is a crap owner that lacks ambition, but it’s not because his CEO and the CEO’s DoF and head of recruitment are moving towards an inexperienced manager.

    Again, I have zero idea if Arteta is right for the job. But I do support hiring a manager with a limited brief, with most of the power in the hands of Sven and Raul.

    Can Arteta do strategy, prep, motivation and communicate with the players about the club’s football philosophy? That’s all I care about. I don’t care if he’s never managed, since the role has changed.

    Wenger showed us the pitfalls of a power-mad manager. I am so glad he’s gone and believe any half-competent coach would get more out of the players. So I am not losing any sleep if it’s Arteta. I will be in hopeful wait-and-see mode.

  94. mysticleaves

    Hassenhult or Arteta, Enrique or Ancelotti, David Wagner or Jardim, Rodgers or that 30year old. The Arsenal should appointment someone. I am already getting tired of expecting them to announce a name.

    Though it’s weird that Hassenhult would quit his job where he really could do whatever he wanted. And it’s also convenient that he omitted having talked to Arsenal last year. Maybe he was trying hard to deflect attention from us.

    I remember prior to Enrique taking the barca job he denied all questions about it on the media, resigned, kept on denying and was announced Barca manager same week.

    Maybe they are taking to Arteta truly but maybe they are talking to him to get him as an assistant to Hassenhult. Maybe we had this agreement with him last season when we spoke with him.

    A lot of maybes in this one

  95. Guns of Hackney

    Gooner in NY

    Nice. That’s four Arteta ‘ins’.

    We only need a few million more and it will be a movement.

  96. Leedsgunner

    Guess what? It’s not my job to look for the Arsenal manager. It’s Ivan’s. After saying he was embarking on an exhaustive process… are you really telling me that Mikael Arteta is the best they can do?

    As for women managers why not Emma Hayes? She is the manager of Chelsea Ladies and she’s doing a great job. Unlike Arteta she has worked as a manager 9 years.

    What? Is Emma Hayes not good enough because she hasn’t managed in the men’s game? In the EPL? Newsflash. Arteta hasn’t managed in the men’s game or the EPL either… what makes him good enough?

    As for black managers, why not Chris Houghton? He has EPL experience and he has kept Brighton up which is no mean feat.

    Unlike Arteta, he’s earned his dues and worked through the ranks… and he’s not just going to get one of the plummiest job in world football because he just happens to have the right connections.

    Chris Houghton isn’t good enough for Arsenal? And Arteta with absolutely no experience is?

  97. Guns of Hackney

    Guys

    Settle down. Come on. It’s a Football blog, not a political forum.

    It’ll just turn into a slanging match.

  98. mysticleaves

    This broke my heart. saw it in an article.

    “The north London club is in need of a shake-up at the back having lost 18 games and conceding 69 goals in the 2017/18 campaign.”

    18 defeats and 69 goals conceded. wow!!!

  99. Dissenter

    Come to think of it, Wilshere is yet to sign that contract extension.
    What disrespect from the player parading himself as Mr Arsenal.

  100. Guns of Hackney

    Wilshere is daan the local giving it larrrrge.

    He’ll sign the contract when he learns how to write. Be patient.

  101. China

    The colour and gender of football managers is irrelevant to anything

    We shouldn’t even be asking the question imo. All canadates who have something serious to offer should be taken seriously, the rest should not.

    If that means we end up with a black LBGT dwarf Muslim woman from Turkmenistan or Carlo Ancellotti it makes no difference to me if they’re demonstrably capable.

    I don’t think we need to be making an active effort to look at who the best woman or minority is in the world of coaching. We should just be looking at coaches in general and see which cream has risen to the top

  102. Leedsgunner

    Aubagine

    You know absolutely nothing about me, and I didn’t insult you, why are you calling me pathetic?

    I just posted some ideas for argument and debate. If that makes you uncomfortable, I feel sorry for you.

    Again, you’re calling me pathetic? Based on what? Because I want the club I love to hire the best candidate?

    Give me a break. Apologies welcomed, but I won’t be holding my breath.

    Wishing you the best,

  103. Guns of Hackney

    I honestly do not have a clue why we resort to insults.

    Let’s agree or disagree but cut out the bullshit.

    Come on. Enjoy the Arteta love in.

  104. Dissenter

    Wenger, regardless of what you thought of him was a major draw for players. I don’t think Ozil would have come to Arsenal if we didn’t have Wenger. Wenger has a name recognition that probably drew people, fans and players alike.

    What’s going to happen now. Where do we get our draw from, Not from the manager obviously, just laying above market wages and providing London as a platform.
    Just head scratching.

  105. Dissenter

    I’m convinced at that this Aubergine lad is someone who’s been bitten by a rabid skunk.
    Its just adhominem attacks on people over and over again.

  106. China

    Our managerial hunt shouldn’t be an active effort to show how inclusive we are. It should be a hunt for talent and capability.

    If Chris bought on us the best and right candidate, go for him. But we shouldn’t be going for him because we’ve looked at arteta. The question is should we even be looking at arteta at all?

    Obviously that is a contentious question and already a lot of us have strong opinions one way or the other

  107. Victorious

    Leeds
    What? Is Emma Hayes not good enough because she hasn’t managed in the men’s game? In the EPL? Newsflash. Arteta hasn’t managed in the men’s game or the EPL either… what makes him good enough?”

    what the fvck are you on about?take a chill pill and give it a rest ffs,Arteta has not even been announced and your having verbal diarrhea already,wonder what you’ll do by Monday when its official,i fear for your mental state.

  108. Leedsgunner

    China

    “Our managerial hunt shouldn’t be an active effort to show how inclusive we are. It should be a hunt for talent and capability.”

    Agreed.

    Every candidate regardless of their background has to have the experience and skill set to do the job, that’s not in question.

    I’m not saying we should hire a woman, or a minority candidate if they don’t have the experience or skill set but if they do…why not?

    I’m just not convinced that Arteta is anywhere near who we need as manager/head coach of our club.

  109. Guns of Hackney

    Dissenter

    I know we’re mucking about. Actually, I do agree with you about Wenger. He did have a pull. I think I’m the first half it was for genuine football reasons but the latter half was because players found life under Wenger piss easy.

    It’s all down to the individual player. Some want to be the best and some just want to get through it.

    I guess we’re going to find out soon what kind of players we actually have at arsenal.

    I’m starting to miss that old buzzard. Damn. Too late for a Wenger in?

  110. Victorious

    Dissenter
    Its just adhominem attacks on people over and over again”

    says the contrarian windbag who goes bitchy in almost every conversation on here,you did worst to Wenger you hypocritical assface.

  111. Guns of Hackney

    HL

    Mikel is a heartbreaker. Swoon. Housewife’s choice!

    I’m not drunk but I am convinced that this might work.

  112. Biggles

    Buffon says he’s not retiring after all. He’s available after his last game for Juve and he doesn’t want to play in Italy or in a minor league.

    Looks like an easy way to upgrade on Cech without a massive outlay.