Fans rally behind Arteta hype as evidence mounts he’s quite good (long read)

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Well, what a response to yesterday’s post, but before we get into that, let’s talk about some of the action that happened last yesterday.

President of Arsenal Internet, Lord of The Meme, King amongst information elites… Sir David Ornstein, dropped the news that the club had released longtime club medic, Colin Lewin. The man has been with us for 23 years, an incredible length of time. He was Head of Medical Services but was moved on yesterday.

This is sad. I had the privilege of meeting Colin Lewin in 2011 when he gave me and some other bloggers (I met Goonerholic) a tour of the medical facilities. The article is here and it’s still interesting today. I think I was invited, because back in the day, the argument around Wenger mostly centred on injured players, and how bad his luck was/how bad our medical team was. My argument was that injuries were sometimes about luck (impact), but most of our problems were soft tissue and preventable. The problem was Wenger overtraining players and fatiguing them (in the hope our players would be fitter in the last 10minutes), hammering a small squad and not rotating, combined with a lack of interest in using data properly. 3 years later we signed Shad Forsythe who could help with those issues and never looked back.

Anyway, it’s sad to see him go. I really feel for the good people left at Arsenal at the moment. There’s nothing worse than a regime change. Everyone is on edge, bullets come when you least expect it, and it’s terrifying.

Some other media outlets are reporting that Steve Bould won’t sign on under a new manager. I’m not surprised, he’s at the stage in his career where he needs to manage a club, and I’m sure there are plenty that’d be willing to give him a chance.

One thing is for sure, the club are being absolutely ruthless about getting back to the top. Raul Sanllehi is not mincing his vision (maybe the first Darren Burgess bullet with Colin), so I expect to see more changes in the not too distant future, and my hope is they are all for the good.

Again, all of this points towards a club that has a decentralized power structure. We’re not hiring in a manager who will bring 50 of his guys through the back door because he’s a so-called big name. We’re going to run like Barcelona. The Director of Football will make the decisions about the setup on the footballing side. He’ll hire in specialists who will build out teams and report into him. He’ll also be moving on surplus players, another area we’ve barely spoken about in the melee of craziness.

Sven Mislintat will control recruitment and player identification. It’ll be fascinating to understand how he’ll work with the whoever we bring in. He’ll not just be scouting, he’ll be monitoring our first team and making decisions with the coach on who we sign and let go, hopefully using insights gleaned from data sources (something we know Wenger either ignored or was really bad at).

Yesterday’s article went off the rails, the busiest day of the year for the site. The great news is the feedback was incredibly positive. Excellent that it coincided with Allegri declaring he’s likely to stay with Juve unless he’s fired.

This would be a bold move for Arsenal. Arteta could be our Pep Guardiola or Zidane. All the key attributes are there. He’s been a Premier League player, knows the league, has been a captain, is emotionally attached to Arsenal, has a goal of becoming an elite manager (one that he seems to be pursuing with vigour), cut his teeth with Manchester City after saying no to Spurs, he was a critical part of a backroom team that just delivered 100 points in the league.

The Poch said this in his book, Brave New World.

“He will make an exceptional coach,”

This is what Oliver Kay (great read) dug up from City spies.

“Extremely bright, great attention to detail, on the same page as Pep when it comes to how the game should be played,”

“Very good communicator, does a lot of one-to-one work with the players.”

“If you listen to what people say about Mikel, he has helped them get better,” another source says. “He is one of several coaches working behind Pep, but Pep wouldn’t have appointed him if he wasn’t convinced Mikel had some special qualities to bring to the party.

You only have to look at how he presents himself to see that he’s not a water carrier.

You can read snippets of where his head was at when he was 32 years old.

My team-mates are always going “What are you going to do Miki? You’re going to be a manager, you should be a manager!” I know what the job means and I know how hard it is, especially when I look at the boss and see how many hours he puts in here. You need to sacrifice your family all over again, which I’ve done since I was 15. But I would love to manage a squad of players and staff – I’ve got it inside me, it’s true, and I want to do it. First of all I want to make the most of my playing career, because I’m 32 and in this game you never know whether you’ll end up carrying on until 34, 35 or 36. After that, I’m certainly going to stay involved in football because I think I’ve got something to add. I would like to prove myself, and prove my ideas about managing and encouraging people to do things in the way I believe is best.

This was his philosophy 3 years ago.

My philosophy will be clear. I will have everyone 120 per cent committed, that’s the first thing. If not, you don’t play for me. When it’s time to work it’s time to work, and when it’s time to have fun then I’m the first one to do it, but that commitment is vital. Then I want the football to be expressive, entertaining. I cannot have a concept of football where everything is based on the opposition. We have to dictate the game, we have to be the ones taking the initiative, and we have to entertain the people coming to watch us. I’m 100 per cent convinced of those things, and I think I could do it.

Here’s his view on a system.

I think you need to adapt. You can have an idea of a system, but you need to be able to transform it depending on the players you have – how much pace you have up front, how technical your team is, what types of risk you can take and whether your players are ready to take those risks. It’s important to analyse your players because you can’t always play the same way. There have to be different details and changes in how you approach things, and you have to look at how you can hurt whoever you are playing against. Is there something they don’t like to do? If so, we’re going to make them do plenty of it. Then the most important thing for the manager is that, the Friday before the game, you imagine what’s going to happen on the Saturday. And if what happens on Saturday is not what I had planned, then it’s not been good enough from me.

Even back then, he understood you have to work with what you have, you must to pay attention to the details, and the players have to buy into it.

I also thought this John Cross story about Arteta was pretty funny.

He was nicknamed “Coach” by his team-mates during his five years at the Emirates as they could see his determination to move into management.

That nickname was not necessarily meant in the most flattering way — some players thought he was too ‘busy’ and always trying to interfere in decisions.

Firstly, I find it very hard to care about the opinion of many of our players over the last 10 years, we’ve been in sharp decline, anyone willing to help the mess should be given a gold star for effort. Secondly, if you read the Pep book by Ballague, he stated that Pep and Mourinho used to do exactly the same at Bareclona with Bobby Robson, reworking his tactics on the sly.

Mikel will be an entertainer, so we’ll be taking the game to the opposition and focus on buying in players who can dictate the game.

The major difference between then and now is that he’s worked from the ground up with the greatest manager in the world. He’s dealt with big personalities being told they’re surplus, or going to become bit part players. He’s helped identify weaknesses in young upstarts and been credited publicly on improving them. He’ll have been there at the training ground helping Pep identify what needed to happen to deliver on the mission of winning the league in year two, when the whole world was saying they couldn’t do it the beautiful way.

When you put that all down on paper, you might not be 100% sure of what’s coming, but damn, you’ll be excited and you’ll want to give it a go.

Arsenal fans have sat on their hands for the best part of ten years making inane excuses for our slow decline as a club. We’ve bottled countless league titles, we didn’t get out of the last 16 of the CL for 8 years in a row, we signed terrible players, we didn’t sell underperformers, we were consistently out thought by top 6 teams, we never, ever learnt from our mistakes.

  • ‘Mate, it’s only June, give it a rest’
  • ‘That won’t be the last of our signings, it’s only July’
  • ‘You get the best deals at the end of the window’
  • ‘No point in moaning, best shut up and support the lads’
  • ‘He’ll do something in January’
  • ‘SHUT UP AND SUPPORT THE LADS’
  • ‘Judge him in May’
  • ‘I think he knows what needs to be done’
  • ‘Hazard said Gervinho was the best player he’d ever trained with, actually’

Rinse. Repeat.

Arsene Wenger taught us that winning was secondary to values, and we fell for it.

That’s why I know the fans won’t be divided on Arteta. It’s almost impossible not to progress the club because the baseline is so low. Put a system in place, tighten the defence, implement a pressing philosophy, hold players accountable, run proper video analysis, practice how you play at 1-0 up, 2-0 down, how you attack a corner, how you play out from the back, how you break down a deep block, how you switch systems after 10minutes, build a winning culture and rewrite the values of the club to suit the era. (Ryan Mason talking about the things Arsenal haven’t had, and he’s a Hull player)

Arsenal are a mess. If they hire Arteta, they’re hiring a brilliant young coach, and they’re building a team around him.

… and here’s the best point. If he fails, it won’t take 10 years to make a change, and it won’t cost a summers transfer budget to do the deed.

A slightly different scenario, but look at PSG. They just hired Thomas Tuchel, a manager I’ve been purring over since the Mainz days. He’s never won a league title in his career. Why did they sign him? Because he’s a world class coach with elite ideas. They signed him on a two year deal. If it works, they’ll be playing unbelievable football. If it fails, it’ll cost them fuck all. Even the big clubs are turning their backs on ‘winners’, because winning things doesn’t always tell you who is and is not a great coach with the formula to take you to the promised land in 2019.

I also think from a business perspective, in a world of democratised football coverage, clubs are having to work harder for new fans. United has been offering up criminally poor football for 5 years now, it’ll hit their business model at some point, because a ‘brand’ in a fickle world only lasts as long the success is maintained. You’re not a big club if you’re not winning big trophies, and you can only fool the fans with big name signings for so long. If the product is shite, people will eventually stop buying.

Anyway, all very exciting. My nose is bleeding because I’m not used to this much progressive movement at the club.

What a time to be a Gooner… I hope you’re excited about the future because I certainly am.

P.S. Mesut meeting Erdogan for a photo opp? Fucking hell… a real lack of self-awareness when you’re repping Germany as your home country.

 

539 Responses to “Fans rally behind Arteta hype as evidence mounts he’s quite good (long read)”

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  1. Bankz

    I hope this Arteta hype dies in this blog and nothing more.
    After all the Arsene Wenger mess, we get sold on Arteta?
    A player who couldn’t exude leadership by example as a captain?
    Fuck this shit.
    I hope he doesn’t get the job tbh

  2. TallestTiz

    Gazidis clearly stated that he will be bold with his appointment…
    Now, Arteta is very feasible.

    I’m on the fence with regards this prospect

  3. OleGunner

    “Yesterday’s article went off the rails, the busiest day of the year for the site. The great news is the feedback was incredibly positive.”

    What bizaare alternate reality do you live in Pedro?
    Your blog dry humping Arteta yesterday as the next best thing to happen to Arsenal was mired in arguments on the blog all day, more comments imo pointing to the majority on here not wanting us to be Arteta’s first managerial experience.

    I still firmly believe we need an experienced hand to guide us the next couple years. Not a green (but promising coach) whose never managed a day in his life.

  4. TitsMcGee

    Arteta.

    Is he a disciplinarian?

    He played with quite a few of these players. Will they respect him?

    No Managerial experience.

    Fortune favors the bold but would this be too bold at this stage?

  5. OleGunner

    To be quite brutally honest this Arteta appointment reeks of gross incompetence and keeping a “yes” man around for Ivan and co to control.

    We could be entering the Wenger Mark II years.
    This just rings alarm bells and doesn’t provide the clean break from the old set up we needed. This has sapped al lot of my Wenger departure positivity.

  6. OleGunner

    Listening to yesterday Arseblog podcast, Andrew and James had a great conversation about their misgivings about Arteta in a very fair and objective way.

    Long story short, they aren’t keen on his appointment either. Shades of their conversation saying it sort of makes us look Everton level. They also made it a point to acknowledge that most online chatter from Arsenal fans as the odds move in favour of Arteta, is that they see mostly disappointment. (And its not unreasonable position for fans to be in).

    If this appointment does happen, its all going to fall back on Gazidis’s head and he’ll have to pay for it with his job if it goes tits up.

  7. EdTheRed

    This is turning into a farce. Shameful to even suggest someone with NO FUCKING EXPERIENCE of EVER managing ANY team is good enough for Arsenal.
    The only conclusion I can come up with is that geezer writing this blog is about to make profit out of Arteta appointment.

  8. TheBayingMob

    Obviously I know nothing … but if Allegri wants autonomous control then it’s a “no, fuck off, fuck you very much” from me. We’ve just come out of a what had long become a tedious dictatorship. The last thing we need is another fevered ego.

  9. shaun ellis

    “He played with quite a few of these players. Will they respect him?” that is only one question of many but this will be played out by Gazidis as this is a new model Arsenal will follow with a head coach and not a manager …….they are already pushing this and people of Intelligence are already falling for this ploy but it has to be seen as massive risk taking when all things are considered .This is a man who has not even managed a youth team let alone the apparently 6th richest football club in the world so not really going to go into the the rest of it as it should be obvious .for me he has to do atleast two years as a manger of some kind of football club but it seems two years under the god of management at city will do. Control , cost and no demands must be at the forefront of Gazidis mind whilst considering the qualities of the next manager where in the opinion of a few I am sure , success,experience and discipline would be more of a concern

  10. EdTheRed

    Your Comment Herepeople lauged at me when two weeks ago I suggested Roberto Martinez as a Wenger replacement. I bet few would take him now instead of this Arteta crap.

  11. alexanderhenry

    Pedro

    ‘The problem was Wenger overtraining players and fatiguing them (in the hope our players would be fitter in the last 10minutes), hammering a small squad and not rotating, combined with a lack of interest in using data properly. 3 years later we signed Shad Forsythe who could help with those issues and never looked back.’

    I’m not sure about that.
    I think you’ll find the ‘injury years’ had more to do with the fact we didn’t have the resources to assemble a squad with enough depth to manage playing PL and CL games, let alone FA cup later on.
    Consequently, squad members were overplayed and got injured.

  12. shaun ellis

    what ever way you try an spin the positives of an Arteta appointment and it seems Pedro is really really trying , it just comes back to the cheap risky (I don’t give a fuck about what the fans think ) option

  13. Akilan

    CC,
    You explicitly said Arteta is shinier than Nagelsmann. I replied he is not. I stick to my opinion.

    Even if Arteta is the real deal, you can’t say you knew it all along. So play it cool and don’t be bullish about your arguments. NONE OF US KNOW ABOUT HOW GOOD ARTETA IS.

  14. Victorious

    so much for the detailed and thorough screening and processing of candidates for the job

    Gazidis really is a slimy prick,obviously Arteta has been the preferred candidate all the while then he should have been brought in asap to start the groundwork for next season,good to see Wenger is no more a shield for their utter cluelessness.

  15. Ishola70

    No real focus on the opposition?

    All about us.

    Sounds straight from the Wenger handbook that past quote from Arteta in how he would like to see his teams operate.

    Is this a bold appointment or does it lack real balls in making a complete break away from the Wenger concept?

    Bould to leave as well? Who is going to work on the defensive side of the game? Does this Mislintat guy have previous for digging up and acquiring defensive gems? Question has to be asked because we all know the Arsenal weaknesses for so long now and they have nothing to do with entertaining offensive football. If anything this philosophy of entertaining attacking football at all costs has been harmful at the real top end for a long time and has stopped the team from being an overall mature adult football team.

    It will be interesting how it all works out and there is a chance that this will be Wenger Mk II all over again. Wenger MKII later years that is.

  16. David Smith

    Wouldn’t be my first choice, but with a proper structure around him, let’s give Arteta a go. Might even start attending games again.
    Great to see wengers protected dross being culled. WTF is an equipment manager anyway, someone who audits the condition of the cones?
    Bet Ivan, and probably Josh couldn’t wait to send that lot on their way.
    Wenger was a leech who allowed other leaches to thrive as long as they never challenged him. Disgusting man, glad these horrible tributes are over.
    Colin Lewin even. Perhaps the new manager was one of many who had injuries misdiagnosed and prolonged due to a hapless medical staff since Gary left.
    Some reasons to be happy, some the be excited with a bit of trepidation thrown in.
    Having said that, some so called ITKs are saying it is still Allegri, really don’t think so, if he doesn’t really want to come and will only do so under detrimental circumstances, understandable but fuck him.

  17. EdTheRed

    This Arteta lunacy is like sying Debbie Mcgee can have a career as a magician, because She was good at assisting Paul Daniels.

  18. Ishola70

    Let’s see if the team can break into top four next season. Not going to be easy is it.

    There is an obvious top six in the league with Arsenal lagging behind of those six.

    If the team finish fifth or sixth again next season then it’s reasonable enough to see if they can better that the following season.

    If there is a team that breaks out from out of the top six and Arsenal finish below this position then serious questions need to be asked and an early cull of the new set-up.

    What cannot be allowed to happen is that the club sleepwalk into also rans in the EPL for years to come.

  19. qna

    Back to back posts on this Arteta shit. Nice one. Feels like doubling down on the Ivan is not a toothless failure of a CEO, it was all Arsene’s fault. Ironic that a site that drew people to voice anger over the clubs refusal to see Wenger for the failure that he was turns into a mouthpiece for the guy who kept him in the job all those years.

    On brighter news, we are being linked with Leno (who I have been wanting us to sign for a couple of years now. Get it done Sven. Mahrez wants to come here, but Leicester will be difficult to reason with. If we are going to sign big money players then Mahrez and Fekir are the ones I want. I would be more than happy to sell Ozil to help get this done but the optimistic rumours of PSG being interested are now surely closed with Tuchel signing. Sell Welbeck too and the squad balance is maintained. Do the obvious business early and then get on with the business of a new CB and DM.

  20. chris

    David smith … you probably know this – where some fans do not. Regarding the numerous soft tissue injuries … our back room experts copped the blame. But for years they pleaded for graduated training methods (where training is geared to the individual). Wenger refused. After all how could he be wrong ?? When Shad Forsythe was eventually brought in he said (in the German press) the Arsenal situation he found was like something from the stone age. I won’t go into other key aspects of obstinacy – like non tactics and unachievable game plan. But this was the Arsene Wenger whom some fans still worship.

  21. gambon

    I actually cant see the Arteta appointment happening, look at the reaction in recent days.

    We were led to believe the club wanted a manager to unite the fans, bring them back to the emirates and move the club forward.

    We can already see that Arteta would not do that.

    It would be unfair on him, but the second anything goes wrong he would be in big trouble. The chances are we would lose one of our first 10 games, and when that happens the club will feel the anger of the fanbase all over again.

    Arsenal-Mania are running a pole, 75% of the members are against Arteta as the new manager,

    A quick 2 minute run through my twitter feed shows the following:

    “If Arteta becomes Arsenal Manager then I’m 100% certain Wenger appointed him. ”

    “If I was close to him, I’d advise him to start with a lesser team to build all he needs for a huge and very sensitive job like Arsenal.”

    “Only people we can blame is the board. Arteta wouldn’t turn down the job.”

    “From Wenger to Arteta? @Arsenal turning themselves into a bigger joke than they already are and are inviting a bigger world of pain for their fans.”

    “If Arsenal appoint Arteta I think we have to be realistic and realise this could get very bad. The PL has some of the best coaches in the world, I couldn’t see him taking us back into the top 4. Is this what people meant about being careful what you wish for?”

    “Arteta is not announced yet and I’m already seeing #ArtetaOut everywhere.”

    “Arsenal is serious about Arteta. No wonder Arsene made sure everyone knew he wasn’t involved in picking a successor.”

    “Arsenal is looking for a football manager.
    Mikel Arteta is NOT.”

    “Arteta new Arsenal manager LMAOOOOOOOOOOOO”

    “This is Mikel Arteta’s C.V and apparently the Arsenal hierarchy see this as the right man to lead us after Wenger’s tenure?? Surely we’re being trolled by the club & Media?! “

  22. Ishola70

    It’s Gazidis time.

    Show us what you got Gazidis.

    Let’s hope it’s not naive Wengerball dressed in different clothing.

  23. Mfaber

    Arteta is a continuation of Wenger; if we appoint him, its certain the Wengerian Cycle will not be broken.

    Pep is ruthless and a master at winning football matches. If Arteta was so good, so critical to that endeavour, why let him go? When Pep came to England he needed a link, a bridge to this new alien world where fans roar when ‘brutish’ midfielders can destroy the finest of footballing designs. Pep has now won the hearts and minds of everyone in England… Pep has no need for a connection, he is the connection. So Arteta has served his purpose and can toddle off to where he can not harm the empire that Pep is building.

    And yet for Gazidis, Arteta is the perfect man: he wept when he left Arsenal, he likes to be called ‘the coach’ even when he was a crock of a player, he has worked for Pep!

    But the best part for Gazidis is: I gave you this job, so you owe me.

    Gazidis wants power, and he knows the only way to get it is to have a system in place where the footballing side is fragmented; hence the need for a ‘false triumvirate ‘: an illusion that power lies in the hands of three footballing generals: a coach, a scout and a fixer.

    Reality is that Gazidis will control all three as he pulls the strings behind the scenes, but without any (much) criticism as he can point the finger.

    Gazidis knows that if he appoints a strong man that the fans have a genuine connection with, than if that man succeeds, than ALL POWER at the club will quickly gravitate back to that person and away from Gazidis.

    He cannot allow that to happen as he will be back to being someone else’s bitch. And being Wenger’s bitch for 10 odd years must have been tough…

    Gazidis was hurt to his core by Wenger over the last years and now he wants it for himself. Don’t underestimate how Machiavellian that dude is. His assassination of Wenger was a ‘study in scarlet’ and should be applauded for ending W… but sadly there is a catch.

    More Gazidis forecasted in the coming years: Gazidis on tour with the team, Gazidis welcoming new players, Gazidis at this UEFA event, blah fucking blah. But when the shit hits the fan … and it will … than up steps lil ole Mikki Arteta, the fans’ choice, to take the bullet.

    Ivan ‘Underwood’ Gazidis …

    Resistance is not futile. It is needed. Now more than ever. If we go into the coming darkness in silence than don’t complain in the coming years when this insanity continues. Wenger is gone, but we are about to replace him with ‘the coach as a corporatized functionary’. We are about to replace the power mad crap of one old man for the power mad posturing’s of another younger man. A younger man who will fight tooth and nail (just as Wenger did) to hold onto his corporate shitdom.

    And BTW Pedro I cannot blame you for not resisting that particular call… as we all know, nudge here, nudge there and you can control the social mood. I hope you get enough silver coins to make this ‘betrayal’ worthwhile.

    I urge everyone to remember these days. When Feb/Mar comes around and our promising start falls apart (yet again) in the same old Wengerian tragedy … than we should recall who it was that championed for the continuation of this cycle.

  24. Crusaderrabbit

    Looking at that big list of managerial names on Sky Sports betting – the only real ‘elite’ manager on that list, realistically available, is Allegri. It’s clear to me that the club are exploring this option. However it remains to be seen whether he would a) want to come or b) fit into the structure of the club ( something a great deal of investment has been put into so is hardly likely to be discarded).

    Given that Allegri is by no means guaranteed to come – the field then is a lot more muddy and Arteta does seem to be a strong solution. Personally I would prefer Nagelsmann but again seems unlikely he’ll leave, Fonseca also seems an interesting option but there are question marks there, and Jardim has strong credentials but doesn’t quite seem the right fit personally for the club.

    Guillem Balagué got it right when he said Arsenal had a very strong identity, something a lot of other even elite clubs struggle to obtain, which cannot be disregarded by just hiring the ‘best’ manager on paper . Chelsea for example don’t have an idenity despite success because they never stick to one path for long, Man Utd are taking damage to theirs every day Mourinho is in charge. I think this is something Gazidis is acutely aware of, but its a harder metric to judge things on.

    Not every club would hire Arteta, but we’re not every club, and by doing so, taking the gamble in investing in someone young and unproven, but with the potential for greatness, this kind of statement becomes part of our identity as a club. I think this is important at a time when perhaps we’re no longer in the big boys camp.

    There are managers I would prefer but if they simply arent’ avaliable then Arteta seems, at the very least, an exciting option, and god knows I’d like some excitement around my club again.

  25. EdTheRed

    Le-grove wrote: This would be a bold move for Arsenal. Arteta could be our Pep Guardiola or Zidane. All the key attributes are there.
    —————-

    Apart from the fact that he has NEVER managed ANY football team EVER.

  26. Akilan

    I’m firmly in no Arteta brigade.

    Having said that the guy is really talented. The way he adapted to the DM role was pretty impressive. He was always positionally good, it was his physical limitations and the team structure that made us defensively vulnerable.

    Getting called names didn’t stop him from giving his two cents, which is very important for a coach.

    Pep took him in as a English speaking Spaniard that knows the league. He was needed to bridge that gap. He gradually grew into the role. When asked about Sterling earlier this season, Pep mentioned Arteta, which he didn’t have to but did. This shows that Pep really rates him and he means it when he waxes lyrical about Arteta.

    We atleast know he’s an excellent coach with his work on Sterling.

    Vieira or Henry were not talking about management when they were still playing. Henry preferred punditry to coaching the youths or doing his badges.

    May be Arteta was always destined to be a coach. He impressed poch when he was 17 years old. He just took the player route to management. We don’t know. Vieira has to learn the trade, whereas Arteta has always been one.

    All I’m saying is if he does get the job, get behind him. #Artetaout accomplishes nothing. Even if he fails, we can also call for gazidis’ head.

  27. HighburyLegend

    “Arteta could be our Pep Guardiola or Zidane.”
    Big joke… even if I think he might do a very good job – WITH Sven Mislintat hugely involved.

    “Steve Bould won’t sign on under a new manager.”
    Good (riddance)!!

    “If he fails, it won’t take 10 years to make a change”
    That is worth a bet!! 😉

    “I know the fans won’t be divided on Arteta.”
    They already are, you must have missed an episode Pedro…

    Anyway, I’m pretty convinced by your post today, so Welcome (back) Mickey!!
    (but still, fingers crossed – at least a little bit lo

  28. Begeegs

    First time poster here – Firstly, there is no evidence that Arteta is really good, no matter what the author is posting here. Secondly, is Le-Grove trying to maximize ad revenue by being controversy? From what I read in the comments would indicate that most felt that Arteta would be a poor appointment.

    I like you blog and read it a lot, but the past two days have been disappointing to say the least.

  29. Emiratesstroller

    Pedro

    The positivity about Arteta’s appointment exists elsewhere, but sadly not amongst the majority of posters on Le Grove.

    The major drawback is not it would seem his coaching talent, but the fact that
    he played for Arsenal under Wenger.

  30. OleGunner

    Emirates,

    I dunno mate I have not seen a lot of positivity on Artea on other Arsenal forums, blogs, and podcasts.

    Sure there are people like yourselves who are practically thrilled with the potential appointment but you can already see Arteta just exacerbates divisions in the fan base. This will be made worse if he fails in the job.

  31. Ishola70

    Not true at all ES.

    As Gambon pointed out Arteta is not the flavour of the month on Arsenal Mania and Online Gooner don’t have much time for him either. Only 2%% of Online Gooner posters want Arteta as the new coach.

    It’s thrilling to those who like to see “in-house” though isn’t it lol

  32. TonyD

    We might be recruiting a head coach, but what happens on the pitch determines the financials of the club and the branding of the club world wide.

    I’ve hired raw talent before as well as experience in management positions, both have worked and both have failed. However, I have never hired raw talent in a management role either in team leader or above where the income revenues can be severely disrupted or damaged by such a hire.

    For me I’m just happy Wenger has been removed; not from obsession as some night believe, but I saw it as needed for our club to return to it’s rightful place for it financial standing in football.

    As we bleat on whether Arteta is right or the wrong person, nothing we say is going to influence the eventual placement of the manager/head coach or whatever tag you want to give him.

    If Arteta is hired then we have no option but to get behind him. If he fails then he has to be sent packing very quickly along with Gazidis.

    Both heads should be on the chopping block as it were.

    I’ve never liked the hiring of Gazidis. I have never trusted him and, as mentioned before, his comments about over achieving and scouring the world for a better manager et al have only further devalued him in my estimation.

    I also don’t understand our transfer budget if it is really £50 million. We moved to the Emirates to compete with the other elite clubs. So where is the money?

    Our past transfers have mostly netted in the the black.

    The 2 concerns I have is that Arteta will be micro managed by Gazidis, Sven and Raul and that Arteta will be a haphazard pawn in a power games by all three.

    The 2nd concern is that his experience is to light in too many areas of people management where his people skills have not been honed for at least a year as a head coach.

    People management comes with experience not from books or watching other people close up.

    This is a particularly difficult job for any manager taking over with the current culture and needs to be modified in stages.

    Maybe if Arteta was inheriting the team Wenger inherited, I would be more confident that if a few learning curve mistakes were made, the ship wouldn’t have been unduly rocked.

    With this in mind I would have preferred Benitez or Carlo or similar with Arteta as assistant for a year, then let Arteta take over for the following season once the fundamental core changes had been made.

    At the end of the day it is what it is and we’ll just have to give Arteta time to show us what he is really capable of.

    I know it’s not going to be easy for many here to keep their toys in their prams, and I’m sure this blog is going to be on fire for the next season.

    Many here don’t consider the financial and commercial ramifications of such an appointment, which really paints Gazidis in a poor light.

    Management is not a divine right, it is earned through experience with time served.

    Bryan Robson and Roy Keane are prime examples of failure having worked with the best in the business.

    Interesting times ahead.

    Let’s hope they are good and happy flames to fan.

  33. Emiratesstroller

    OleGunner

    I am not “thrilled” by any potential appointment. Frankly there are very few managers on the planet who are in my book that impressive.

    However, the feedback that I get is that Arteta is potentially a very good coach
    and that is borne out by both Arsenal and Manchester City wanting to recruit
    him for that role when he retired as a footballer.

    Far too much of the negativity posted on here is based on either prejudice or
    his previous association working under Wenger.

  34. Ishola70

    Akilan being praised for your coaching on one individual player in one aspect of the game that being offensive would seem a bit limited no?

    Arteta may prove to have a good overall footballing brain as well but to term him as an excellent coach at this stage when all we have heard is coaching in this limited aspect would seem a bit presumptuous.

  35. Vikrant

    I see a lot of people mentioning the fact the current squad might not respect Arteta or listen to him. Also seen lots speaking of the fact the players used to call him ‘Coach’ on a wind up. Well won’t it be funny that he might actually become their ‘Coach’ very soon, and boot them out of their comfortable and complacency-filled careers. All the more reason for him to come back and stick two fingers up at those that won’t work their socks off and play hard.

    Remember, Pep and Zizou had much bigger egos to deal with. And frankly, doesn’t matter who the manager is, if the players can’t self-manage and motivate themselves to win games and trophies in order to do well in their careers, well they don’t belong here. Much like a large group of our fans.

  36. Clive Hill

    I’ve relaxed my all things Arsenal embargo (based on the hunting channel aired by Kroenke) as this historical moment plays out. I too feel so excited at feeling like a supporter of a properly functioning football club again.

    What I did want to say though was, reading your daily blogs, I realised how much I miss your site. Insightful, honest, not befuddled by sentimentality and very funny. That you do it every day for no financial reward says eveything about your love for the game and Arsenal. Please keep it coming.

  37. Paulinho

    Well it looks like the ‘suits’ had the Emirates on lockdown over Mikel bloody Arteta,or more likely, it was known long ago that Arteta was the man and they were merely stringing us along with the Allegri bullshit.

  38. Paulinho

    As I said from the start, the way Gazidis has appointed Mislintat made me very skeptical that Allegri was ever an option.

    They quite clearly want a young eager to please guy that accept whatever coaching structure is imposed on them, with Mislintat taking on an even bigger role than before. Almost a quasi-coach himself.

  39. Ishola70

    Yeah the whole set-up now is groomed for an Arteta like coach.

    Arteta it is.

    The set-up is not geared up for an appointment like Ancelotti or Benitez.

    They will just have to be judged on what they do in the transfer window.

    We will see the true worth of this Mislintat guy.

  40. Receding Hairline

    “Protests must begin with immediate effect.”

    LOL

    That seems to be all Arsenal fans are good for these days …PROTEST

    Might i ask who your choice for manager is and why you are a 100% sure he will succeed

  41. Ishola70

    Arteta is now short odds on with all the bookies and some very short odds on pricdes. No silly punter prices to be seen anywhere.

    It is done.

    Arteta is new coach of Arsenal.

    Rejoice.

  42. gambon

    Im pretty sure Arteta still uses 75p tubs of wet look gel.

    As Redtruth says, protests must start immediately.

  43. Marko

    Another day another Arteta debate. This club just loves any excuse not to compete with the big boys

  44. HighburyLegend

    If someone like gambon agree with someone like Redtruth, I guess that Le Grove could become a really explosive place in the near future…

  45. HighburyLegend

    @Marko, maybe we could take a different look at our situation : at the moment, we are far from being able to compete with them, so maybe we should rebuild a little, for a start ??

  46. TR7

    I tip my hat off to Ivan Gazidis – dethrones supremely powerful Wenger to become the new king. Snallehi, Sven and Arteta are his new lieutenants. It seems he had chosen Arteta to be Wenger’s successor long ago. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was him who advised Arteta to become Pep’s no 2 to boost up his average CV.

  47. OleGunner

    Emirates,

    That jab about posters being negative on Arteta due to past Wenger association or prejudice is quitecondescending.

    People are averse to him because he has zero managerial experience and the job at hand at Arsenal is massive. There’s no indication that he is in any way ready for it besides some nice platitudes from Guardiola. In essene, Arteta has nothing tangible to show why he could be great for the job.

    Of course he could turn out to be a miracle worker but for some fans that is an unlikely scenario. Is it just that hard for you to understand why some of us don’t want him as manager beyond vague accusations of “prejudice”, and I mean this beyond Le Grove.

  48. Ishola70

    Marko
    “Another day another Arteta debate. This club just loves any excuse not to compete with the big boys”

    Values dear chap. Values.

    Play up, play up and play the game.

    And they can do it that’s the thing especially when we get views on here that it doesn’t matter if the side loses football matches. As long as they lose the “right way” and not only that deride other clubs for the way they win football matches.

  49. gambon

    Marko

    Thats the sad thing.

    I think with this appointment, the club are basically accepting that we dont want to be competing with City, Utd, Chelsea and Liverpool.

    We will catch Spurs eventually due to financial superiority, but we are waving goodbye to being a big club.

    We have to hope we get lucky with some very strong purchases a la Dortmund or Monaco.

  50. Marko

    This is why you need football men on board level people with bigger voices speaking up. Someone somewhere must be telling them this is a bad idea it’s too great a risk

  51. Ishola70

    lol Claude from Arsenal Fan TV is going to do his nut.

    He was adamant that he wanted a name manager.

    Here comes your 19th nervous breakdown.

    But then he will gather himself and say let’s see what he can do. Let’s get behind him.

    Can’t say anything different really can you.

  52. Confidentgoner

    Guys, a bit of perspective here. Wenger has been in the last 10 years a bad manger for Arsenal and he had experience. Bags of it.

    The club is going for a structure where the head coach becomes an intricate part of that structure. Whilst it will be nice to have a Jardim or Allegri , these guys may not fit in with the new structure or may have demands the club may not meet.

    Giving the above I can see why the club may lean on an Arteta appointment. He has worked a full season under Pep, the best there is. Certainly, he has learnt a thing or two and can get us playing a sexy pressing game, whilst tightening our defense. A change in mentality of the players can improve us by 20-30%, not to talk of getting better coaching and better defensive nous.

    I think if it’s Arteta, I would urge everyone to get behind the team, he may surprise us all. Remember Zidane, Enrique, Nagglesman etc all started out with little experience. Even Mourinho!

  53. Gunner2301

    Pedro

    Whats going on with you? This agenda pushing seems off and WHOs Rallying behind Arteta? Weird. Also didnt you see the difference between Gary and Colin it was like night and day. I assume Wenger never changed the training so Colin stands out. Things got better when shad arrived Just because you met him doesnt make him good.

  54. OleGunner

    Ishola,

    Yeah thats the thing. Ultimately the club can appoint a league 3 coach from Uzbekistan and we’d have no option other than supporting the new man (#shuttupandsupporthelads too)

    The great thing this time is, there is no hiding place for Gazidis >:)

  55. gambon

    Players that Arteta has played with:

    Cech
    Ospina
    Martinez
    Jenkinson
    Bellerin
    Koscielny
    Monreal
    Chambers
    Elneny
    Cazorla
    Ramsey
    Wilshere
    Ozil
    Iwobi
    Welbeck

    It will be very interesting to see what happens to these guys, because most of them should not be at the club, let alone the first team.

    This is why you should appoint someone that is completely neutral.

    Wouldnt surprise me to see far too many of these guys still at Arsenal.

  56. Rocky7

    Always thought Arteta was a bit wet on the pitch . Never much of an authoritive captain, and I don’t think he commanded the respect of others in a way that Veira or Adams did. And other players were kinda taking the piss with that ‘ coach ‘ nick name.
    I dunno , he obviously talks a good game , ( but all
    That was quoted in the article was pretty standard coaching talk , nothing ground breaking there) the board want a yes man . It makes sense that they would gamble on him .
    I would prefer Vieira if they take that kinda option . The guy is a Winner , full stop . He commands respect without saying a word . Arsenal crumbled many times with Arteta with the arm band . Nothing could crumble with Vieira in the middle of the park.

  57. GoonerInNY

    I don’t think a lack of head coaching experience is a problem. The modern trend of sports management has been to identify smart communicators. Of all the MLB managers hired before the current season, only one had managed in MLB before, and he was chosen to manage a team that is tanking/rebuilding.

    Big money, big media teams like the Yankees, Red Sox and Phillies hired managers with zero MLB management experience. The Yankees hired a guy who went from being a player to being a broadcaster to being the manager of the Yankees, with all the scrutiny and expectations that come with that job.

    The modern view of sports management is that the top executive builds a team to run things, and the head coach /manager is there to execute the plan and communicate with the players.

    So, in that sense, hiring someone with no management experience is fine with me.

    Is Arteta the right guy? Who knows? None of us know. I am so glad Wenger is gone, though, I am open to whoever might fit into the new, modern structure. If they fail, move them on.

    No more dictators

    As Ishola, said though, this Arteta quote sounded like Wenger speaking and terrifies me:

    “I cannot have a concept of football where everything is based on the opposition. We have to dictate the game, we have to be the ones taking the initiative, and we have to entertain the people coming to watch us.”

    This sounds like a justification for not preparing for the opponent like Wenger, no?

    Also, I care about winning more than entertaining. It’s not Maurinho or Wenger. There are plenty of grades in between.

  58. 5am

    Gambon, there’s only one definite (Jenkinson) I’d agree with on that list – didn’t think he was in contract as it was….oh yeah, possibly Ospina too.

    Maybe his World Cup exploits will attracts some buyers

  59. jasongms

    It’s disturbing seeing Peter trolling his own site.
    ___________

    Arteta’s Footballing CV

    2016-2018
    Part of the coaching staff at Man Citi, worked under Pep Guardiola.

    Duties Include
    Taking morning roll call/ Helping with training bibs/ setting up of cones/ aiding training drills (tieing shoelaces)/ organising post-training (satisfactorily collecting and storing balls, nets, cones etc)

    Managerial experience| NONE

  60. Dissenter

    Pedro
    You’ve become delirious with self-generated excitement.
    You’ve also lost your objectivity and you’re just churning out soft propaganda pieces
    I still love you bro but it seems you’re determined to turn Wenger’s exit into frolicking disaster.

  61. Victorious

    “And they can do it that’s the thing especially when we get views on here that it doesn’t matter if the side loses football matches. As long as they lose the “right way” and not only that deride other clubs for the way they win football matches.”

    No offense Ishola but you talk like a proper stoke fan.

  62. Chika

    “Arteta has zilch media appeal or interest (except his hair!)”

    Some of you write the stupidest things.

  63. Dissenter

    You can hear the drum beats in the background and hear the footstamps.
    That’s Pedro dancing In the rain 🙂

  64. TT

    What a total shite some of the posters are spouting here. there is no guarantee that any coach will succeed or fail for that matter. If the club want Arteta its because they firmly believe that he is the right man. To say that he will fail without him even being appointed is as stupid as the endless defense of wenger by the AKB’s.

    Money wise the club cannot fail in the appointment of a new manager/coach and saying that they are hiring on the cheep is plain stupid. Last thing they want is empty seats by November. hence they will be doing their due diligence. They may get it wrong or they may get it absolutely spot on.

    Preferably for me I would like a experienced manager but he may not work well in the new setup and structure. Would have loved to see Allegri, Jardim or Emry but if it is Arteta then thats what it is. He will have my full support from day one until he proves him to be a flop.

    And Petro if I’m still in moderation I’ll be cross with ya!

  65. Ishola70

    Victorious
    ”No offense Ishola but you talk like a proper stoke fan.”

    I think you mean to say Vic that I don’t talk like a Wengerite.

  66. Rambo Ramsey

    ‘ If the club want Arteta its because they firmly believe that he is the right man. ‘

    Spoken like a true halfwit.

    The same club that believed until 2018 that Wenger was the right man? Why should we trust these decision makers?

  67. Pierre

    We’ve had the WOBS
    We’ve had the AKBs
    And now we have the KNOBS

    Marko. Gambon. Dissenter. Ruth and the rest….. All KNOBS…..

    Know Nothing Only Bull Shit.

    Looks like the party is over for the KNOBS…
    First the elation and now the deflation… Hilarious.

  68. Gunner2301

    GoonerinNY

    He also then kind of contradicts himself by saying we have to find what the opponent dont like to do and make them do it again and again to exploit their weakness. So he is going to study the oppositions weaknesses.

  69. Leedsgunner

    Could we just stop it wit this narrative that the hiring of Arteta will work out in the end because well Pep rates him and after all whoever knew of Arsene Wenger before he came to Arsenal? It is a very agenda driven, disingenuous point of view and not based on reality.

    Wenger, although, he was an unknown in England, he had a track record before he came to the Arsenal.

    If the club wants a fresh start, a young manager with a similar track record, the person they should be looking at and hiring, are people like Nagelsmann, Marco Silva, Javier Calleja, Marco Gallardo… even Giovanni van Bronkhorst is doing a decent job at Feyenoord.

    There are plenty of young innovative managers, if we want to go down that route without choosing a complete unknown.

    It’s like we are going from one extreme to the another.

    We allowed Wenger to over stay his welcome for at least 10 years because the Board was so afraid of change.

    Now having gotten rid of Wenger, the Board have lost their heads and plunged headlong into a great unknown.

    Would people have been comfortable with the Arsdenal board hiring Brian Kidd in 1996 just because Alex Ferguson said he was a good coach and he was well thought in the game?

    What about Chelsea in 2004, when they needed a new manager did they hire Steve Maclaren? No they went for Mourinho, a young manager who just won the Champions League with Porto. He had a track record!

    Arteta, in effect is our version of Brian Kidd… or Steve Maclaren.

    If the Arsenal Board plump for Arteta — it is a risky choice not a smart informed choice. It is a choice for change but it is fraught with risks.

  70. Dissenter

    Gazidis is just a slithery corporate shrill.
    Aren’t you all concerned that we are going from a mega dictator to an all-controlling CEO?
    He’s set up this charade of a manger’s search when he knew there was going to be one freaking outcome. They will wait until the day before the CL to drop the news.
    This is a power grab by Gazidis. He’s set it up so that he won’t ever be the erosion that takes the fall if it goes bust. It will be the DoF that will, get sacked.
    They have a manager who’s just a puppet because he owes them every thing. A proper manager can stick up a middle finger if they start screwing around. Arteta will just suck it up and continue.

  71. Barking Arsene

    Betting suspended on Arteta now with some bookmakers.

    Lots of chatter saying Thu/Fri reveal.

    Seems to be it – let’s just hope he is the genius he is being made out to be!

  72. kc

    So Pedro knows how Arteta will do things before he’s managed one single game? Any proof? Or are you just making up shit for your agenda. I sure hope you’re getting paid for this rubbish yellow journalism.

  73. Champagne charlie

    Akilan

    “CC,
    You explicitly said Arteta is shinier than Nagelsmann. I replied he is not. I stick to my opinion.“

    Did I though….

    “Nagelsmann has no track record at a big club, playing or coaching. I really don’t see him being a shiny option opposed to Arteta.“

    …or did I simply suggest Nagelsmann isn’t streets ahead as was being suggested.

    Go on, give it one more glance.

  74. Victorious

    Pierre
    “Looks like the party is over for the KNOBS…
    First the elation and now the deflation… Hilarious.”

    quite amazing really,did’nt envisaged they’d lose the plot so quickly,was it Ruth and Gambon talking of protest already…lol.. i almost choked on my coffee reading that.

  75. Dissenter

    If you had a choice between Fonseca and Arteta
    If you had a choice between Silva and Arteta

    Who would you prefer?

    West ham have brutally sacked Moyes and are talking to Fonseca.
    Everton will sack big Sam and are set to appoint Silva.

    Who knew it was so damn hard to appoint a manager?
    Smaller clubs are showing ruthlessness while we are waxing sentimental with the “Arsenal way”.

  76. Leedsgunner

    If Arteta comes in, I’ll say this… Daniel Levy has finally met his match in the most powerful CEO in world football stakes.

  77. Gunner2301

    LeedsG

    Well said.

    If your remove Peps name from the discussion around Arteta you have nothing. Equally if you put him next to Allardyce for 2 years or the majority of managers in the league there would be nothing. What would be left could be said about thousands of ex footballers wanting to be managers. So lets get some perspective here. We want Pep we cant have Pep so we think because Pep is recommending him thats the next best thing to having Pep. Get a grip.

  78. Victorious

    Ishola
    ‘I think you mean to say Vic that I don’t talk like a Wengerite.’

    a quick one:Did you enjoy our style of play around 2004-2012 when ‘Wengaball’ was in full flow?

  79. Ishola70

    Victorious
    “Did you enjoy our style of play around 2004-2012 when ‘Wengaball’ was in full flow?”

    Yes of course. It was physicality especially those earlier years mixed with very good offensive play. But then Barca lite appeared. Physicality put on the back burner and possession for possession sake.

  80. Leedsgunner

    Let’s put it another way, if Arteta flops, do you think the Arsenal Board will sack him? I doubt it. Having hired him DESPITE his COMPLETE INEXPERIENCE, I would wager that his INEXPERIENCE will be used as an excuse to keep him on.

    “Remember, it was just his first year… he’ll get better with experience. Remember we gave Arsene 22 years, we should give Mikel at least another year. It’s not the Arsenal way to sack managers. We’re more classy than that.”

    Then 2 years become 3, 5, 10.

    “Next year, we’ll challenge next year.”

    So the cycle and the tolerance of mediocrity is allowed to continue.

    Yes, any managerial appointment is a risk but doesn’t mean you increase the risk by hiring someone utterly inexperienced just because we can!

  81. Rambo Ramsey

    Listen, I love the way Barca operate. Managers come and go, they don’t bother with big names, the club is successful regardless. But building something that efficient surely requires time and effort? Can’t help but think Arsenal are attempting a shortcut.

    We all know what happened the last time an Arsenal man fell in love with the Barca philosophy and tried to copy them on a budget.

  82. Coach 15

    Big Sam available again,he’s good at coming into clubs that need stability and turning around.
    He has a CV,worth a look Ivan.

  83. Dissenter

    Leeds
    Good point
    It seems we are trying to recreate another dynasty with an Arteta appointment.

  84. Ishola70

    In what circumstances would you sack Arteta Leeds?

    What sort of failure would need to happen to see him get fired within one or two seasons?

  85. Marko

    Hoffenheim apparently saying Nagelsmann is staying. Is it possible that our once great club as sunk so low that our only option is Mikal Arteta? Have we gotten so bad in people’s eyes that we can only entice someone like Arteta to manage us? Maybe it’s not something that we see in him maybe it’s more because we literally can’t get anyone else.

  86. Bamford10

    While I’m still not crazy about Arteta — he has never actually managed, and I’d prefer an Allegri, Jardim or Emery — Pedro’s piece has at least made me think that there might be some substance to people’s high opinion of him. This doesn’t change the fact that he has zero management experience, but if he is young, smart and ambitious and if he intends to give us defensive solidity while still allowing us to play expressive football, he will at least be better than Wenger. He may not be who I would choose, but he will hopefully be a step in the right direction — and he could prove to be a very smart step.

    I’m going to adopt an optimistic view of the situation. For the moment.

  87. Wallace

    baffles me that people seem to think Gazidis won’t be held responsible if we do go with Arteta and he tanks. and also, why go big time on the support staff if you aren’t serious about competing?

  88. Champagne charlie

    “Maybe it’s not something that we see in him maybe it’s more because we literally can’t get anyone else.“

    You sound ridiculous.

  89. Leedsgunner

    The Board should have sacked Wenger and hired Pep in 2013 after he finished his sabbatical. They dithered and missed the bus and they’re trying desperately now to convince anyone that will listen that Mikel is the new Pep… just because he spent some time working with him.

    It’s like the Democratic party putting up a bright White House intern for President in 2020 because Obama says he’s smart and has the potential to go place places.

    It looks like the deal is done bar the shouting… I wish Arteta well because I love the Arsenal but I cannot believe we are making this appointment.

    Utter foolishness.

  90. Dissenter

    Marko
    “Hoffenheim apparently saying Nagelsmann is staying. Is it possible that our once great club as sunk so low that our only option is Mikal Arteta? Have we gotten so bad in people’s eyes that we can only entice someone like Arteta to manage us? Maybe it’s not something that we see in him maybe it’s more because we literally can’t get anyone else.”

    I believe you shot down my similar suggestion yesterday.
    I think managerial candidate also do their due diligence about a club that’s seeking their services. Young managers have mentors and older ones have friends they confide in. Anyone with a footballing brain will be wary of working with an untested trio that’s pulling the strings at Arsenal.
    When the management team have signed a player for 4 million that went on to sell for 120 million or taken a team to the CL semifinals several times, then they can dictate to managers. Until then they are green on the European scene.
    For me Gazidis hid behind Wenger for 8-9 years. This is his audition and he’s failing it already.

  91. Ishola70

    If Arteta finishes 7th in the Prem next season sack him.

    The EPL is so much a six team league now and this with Arsenal lagging in 6th that if he finished outside of these places it is big failure.

    But then again who do you sack with this trendy set-up?

    Maybe it will be Mislintat that will be sacked instead of Arteta? They will be blaming each other. Mislintat will say you are failing in coaching the players I’m providing and Arteta can retort that you are not providing the right adequate players for me.

    Great this trendy set-up isn’t it.

    Lots of scope for counter accusations.

  92. Barking Arsene

    I think Arteta has been the preferred option all along to be honest.

    The club just knew they had to look like they were conducting a “thorough” recruitment process otherwise people would lose their minds (some still will).

    Brave or stupid? We will find out soon enough.

    I think most people will get behind him, so long as they can see that we are moving forward.

    Definitely wouldn’t have been my choice but hopefully all the talk about him being highly rated is true.

  93. BacaryisGod

    Let’s assume that the Kroenkes want another Sean McVay, the L.A Rams 30 year old coach who exceeded expectations.

    Well, let’s look at McVay’s background.

    Tampa Bay Buccaneers (2008)-Assistant wide receivers coach
    Florida Tuskers (2009)-Quality control/wide receivers coach
    Washington Redskins (2010)-Assistant tight ends coach
    Washington Redskins (2011–2013)-Tight ends coach
    Washington Redskins (2014–2016)-Offensive coordinator
    Los Angeles Rams (2017–present)-Head coach

    He had 10 years of coaching experience, and all but one year in the NFL!

    Compare that with Arteta’s 2 years of being assistant manager. Not even close.

    I also don’t think it will be easy for him to manage former teammates. Even legends like Daglish said it was a real struggle so that will apply with Arteta too.

    I have a bad feeling about this one….

  94. Bamford10

    “This is a power grab by Gazidis.”

    The anti-Gazidis stuff is pure nonsense. Sorry. Gazidis is one of the principal reasons Wenger is gone and the principal reason we now have a modernized management structure via Sanllehi and Mislintat.

    It’s not a power grab. Some of you are so desperate for a villain. Someone should come up with a name for this kind of thinking. ‘There must always be a villain.’

    We had an old and outmoded structure in which Wenger did everything. Neither Wenger nor that structure was good enough. We have updated it.

    No one is a villain. Let’s see how things go.

  95. Marko

    I believe you shot down my similar suggestion yesterday.

    I actually agreed with you yesterday it was more a jibe at Pedro or whoever it was who made an argument for Nagelsmann being too green but also made an argument for Arteta.

    Charlie do I sound ridiculous? We’re a supposed massive club in the world stage and seemingly are about to appoint a novice as head coach. And I sound ridiculous? If we were that enticing to someone if we really had ambitions we could do better than Arteta. Tell me I’m wrong. If we gave a good damn about competing with the best wouldn’t we be targeting a proven manager a proven winner someone with a track record. This just stinks of not doing our earnest best to compete

  96. Leedsgunner

    “In what circumstances would you sack Arteta Leeds?”

    If Arteta wants the hot seat at a big club, he needs ti accept the consequences like an experienced manager.

    In his first season, I would sack him for falling out out of the top 4.

    If he makes the top 4, I would sack him if he doesn’t challenge for the title in his second year and/or exits the UCL anything before the quarters. Challenge for the title means by the way coming with in 10 points of the leaders.

    If he does that, I would expect build a squad to win the title in his third season. No excuses.

    Any domestic cups would not come into it. If we win them they are bonus, they are not a reason to keep a manager.

    The league and the Champions League has to become the yardstick upon which judge performances now if we want to compete with the best.

  97. Dissenter

    Marko
    I’m mistaken obviously. It’s been frantic on legrove recently
    Pedro has gone rogue with an agenda.

  98. Bamford10

    Marko

    “maybe it’s more because we literally can’t get anyone else”

    Nah, I don’t think there’s any chance of this. Arsenal remain Arsenal. We have a great history, plenty of money, play in the PL and are a club in need of a new vision. Plenty of top managers would be thrilled to come to Arsenal. Whether it makes sense for them at this particular moment is another question.

    Again, we know very little about what is going on behind the scenes. But of course an Emery or a Jardim would consider coming to Arsenal. No question.

  99. Marko

    Compare that with Arteta’s 2 years of being assistant manager. Not even close.

    Not even assistant coach. Just coach

  100. InsideRight

    “A slightly different scenario, but look at PSG. They just hired Thomas Tuchel, a manager I’ve been purring over since the Mainz days. He’s never won a league title in his career. Why did they sign him? Because he’s a world class coach with elite ideas. They signed him on a two year deal. If it works, they’ll be playing unbelievable football. If it fails, it’ll cost them fuck all. Even the big clubs are turning their backs on ‘winners’, because winning things doesn’t always tell you who is and is not a great coach with the formula to take you to the promised land in 2019.”

    How do they know he’s either ‘world class’ or has ‘elite ideas’? Because he was the No1 at clubs and not joining straight from being someone else’s wingman.

    It’s hard not to be a little bit enthused when reading Arteta’s philosophy. Giving him the job wouldn’t be the worst decision in human history. But, and it is a very big but, hiring him instead of going hard for a manager who has already walked the walk is a massive gamble. I don’t see a situation where the board, having appointed him in such circumstances, would sack him if things went bad.

    Anyway, I don’t get a say in who’s hired. I just wanted an evidently failing and intransigent manager replaced. Wenger is gone. I’m very happy. I’ll give whoever comes in the benefit of the doubt, even if they don’t fit my job spec.

  101. Dissenter

    Bamford,
    It seems you’re all smitten with Gazidis.
    You see him positively while I’ve always seen him as a snake oil merchant.
    He’s hidden behind Wenger’s skirts earning bonus after bonus based on Wenger’s work.
    Now it’s his turn to be in the spotlight.

  102. HighburyLegend

    Seems that “compete with the best” are not in our plans for the moment…

    Gazidis the next dictator ??

  103. Elmo

    Looking at the exchange on Betfair, the mid-point between bid and offer for Arteta is 1.67. That suggests an implied probability of him being the next manager of 60%, but seeing as the odds are sky high for every other candidate, either the market has no idea what is going on (possible if Arsenal’s board are running a tight ship) or he is almost certainly the next manager.

    It wouldn’t surprise me if Pedro and others got the soft briefing from Gazidis’ minions to push Arteta this week in preparation for his announcement.

  104. Redtruth

    WTF has happened to Arsenal.
    Managers get sacked for winning trophies, Van Gaal, Del Bosque, Benitez.
    This top 4 shit is what it is Shit!

  105. Marko

    The pro Gazidis stuff is nauseating at best. He’s a cunt he’s a slimy slippery prick with no back bone or balls who doesn’t give a fuck about this club and only cares about his high paying job. He didn’t get rid of Wenger it was an accumulation of the empty seats our poor league form and the son being over here at the time. Fuck Ivan

  106. Dissenter

    Bamford
    I’ll take a Valium if you agree to take an Adderall.
    I didn’t know that critiquing the appointment of a head coach with ZERO experience of managing a game was a bad thing.

  107. Wallace

    it’s a young guy with new ideas after Wenger’s long reign, and weirdly it’s those who were most sympathetic to Wenger who are most enthusiastic about the prospect.

  108. batman

    Arteta love it strong strong in these posts. #IVANgazidis is paying for these shit

    Either these are sponsored post to hype ARTETA as our saviour or plan to appoint someone better than Arteta to make us all little better.

  109. Rambo Ramsey

    Marko, wrong.

    This from a national newspaper-

    ‘Unai Emery has admitted he open to becoming Arsenal’s new manager, but insisted he has yet to receive any offer from the Gunners. ‘

    This ‘detailed selection process’ is a facade, a PR stunt. We’ve chosen a cheap, inexperienced youngster over proven talent. Same old, same old really. Spare a thought to all those poor souls who thought Arsenal will turn over a new leaf with Wenger’s departure. There are bigger problems at the club.

  110. TheBayingMob

    “EdTheRedMay 15, 2018 08:51:07
    people lauged at me when two weeks ago I suggested Roberto Martinez as a Wenger replacement. I bet few would take him now instead of this Arteta crap.”

    And I’m laughing at you now. No. Martinez is not the answer, a few might agree with you, but those few would be mental, although I must say, this made me laugh …

    “EdTheRedMay 15, 2018 09:10:11
    This Arteta lunacy is like sying Debbie Mcgee can have a career as a magician, because She was good at assisting Paul Daniels.”

    “EdTheRedMay 15, 2018 09:31:48
    Apart from the fact that he has NEVER managed ANY football team EVER.”

    I see a few posts starting to have a pop at Pedro being a Gazidis mouth peice; now I have to admit, I do feel that Pedro has been a bit of an Ivan patsy over the years, especially the little chat of tea and biscuits a while back where Ivan managed to get Pedro to him his furry front bum … but at the same time we have a CEO who has been largely neutered by Whispy Tache Man’s unholy and outright h0m03r0t1c love for Wenger, I think he at least deserves a change to run the club under his vision.

    What I’m hoping that vision is a structured club set up to run independantly of it’s links, which is what it sounds like Pedro is trying to suggest it is.

    With Wenger we had an old skool 70s/80s/90s methodology of the ‘Ron Manager’ who does everything. That’s not the future, fuck me it’s not even the now let alone the future, any manager who attempts a power play to ‘control’ transfers or any aspect of the club out of managing the players and the matchday approach should be fired.

    On that basis, I don’t see the immediately problem with Arteta having never managed an elite club (seeing as we are not really elite anyway, Wenger missed that boat unforunately)

    The idea behind it is if doesn’t work, that link should be interchangeable realtively easily.

    That’s what we missed with Wenger, for some absurd reason he was in this unsackable position of power. That should never be allowed to happened again.

    Any manager should only be given a max 2 year contract (3 at a push) and they should prove that they can operate within the clubs heirarchy and philosophy, adding to the overall success of the entire unit with contemporary and innovative ideas.

    The manager shouldn’t be a lynchpin on which the club relies for success building an ivory tower of power, he should part of a well oiled machine, and if he goes rusty, it should be a relatively simple and inexpesive (ish) job to change the part and keep going.

    If it’s not Nagelsmann or Jardim, I’m OK ish with Arteta, certainly more so over Vieira … I’m struggling to understand the mentality of fans who gave a failing old man over 10 years of leeway at 8m plus a year in a steady decline (when he came from virtual obscurity) and now won’t give a potentially up and coming guy even a second to prove himself? Fucking bizarre …

  111. alexanderhenry

    Gambon

    I wouldn’t disagree.

    Over the past ten years, the club has been effectively downsized and fans’ expectations have been ‘managed’.

    Arsenal has been rebranded as a Borrussia dortmund type, tier 2 European club.
    We invest in youth and spend what we make despite being the 6th richest club in the world.

    These are arsenal ‘s ‘values’ and they won’t change until kroenke sells up.

    The problem is that Stan won’t sell up. I’ve given up on fans not renewing STs or him getting fed up with it.
    We’re stuck with the guy so as a fan I have to soldier on.
    In that regard I’m intrigued by arteta as an arsenal manager. Will he improve arsenal significantly and win a PL or CL?

    I very much doubt it, but it’s a change and quite an exciting one.

    Give him a chance I say.

  112. Receding Hairline

    “Anyone with a footballing brain will be wary of working with an untested trio that’s pulling the strings at Arsenal.”

    Still running with the “untested trio” stuff and Arsenal no longer being a top job narrative i see

    Raul Sanllehi was at Barca as director of football for 15 years ….untested i hear

    Mislintat is the scout credited with discovering Kagawa, Hummels, Lewandowski, Blaszczykowski..before leaving Dortmund he was approached by Bayern Munich to become technical director….very untested

  113. Marko

    I’m mistaken obviously. It’s been frantic on legrove recently
    Pedro has gone rogue with an agenda.

    Ivan definitely bought him a Starbucks once

  114. TheBayingMob

    “WallaceMay 15, 2018 12:27:55
    it’s a young guy with new ideas after Wenger’s long reign, and weirdly it’s those who were most sympathetic to Wenger who are most enthusiastic about the prospect.”

    I’m not sure I agree with that … I’ve been Wenger our 2008 ish onwards. I’m OK with this direction, I’m OK with the general play being that no one EVER wields the power that Wenger did ever again …

  115. TR7

    ‘The anti-Gazidis stuff is pure nonsense. Sorry. Gazidis is one of the principal reasons Wenger is gone and the principal reason we now have a modernized management structure via Sanllehi and Mislintat.’

    You can have the best pianist, drummer and guitarist in a band but it would all be irrelevant if the lead singer is gash.

  116. Receding Hairline

    “He’s hidden behind Wenger’s skirts earning bonus after bonus based on Wenger’s work.”

    And there you have it, once it helps to push your argument you admit that Wenger did actually do some work at Arsenal, i thought he was the village idiot, a complete fraud.

    You Dissenter was particularly upset with the send off he was getting at various away grounds