Fans rally behind Arteta hype as evidence mounts he’s quite good (long read)

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Well, what a response to yesterday’s post, but before we get into that, let’s talk about some of the action that happened last yesterday.

President of Arsenal Internet, Lord of The Meme, King amongst information elites… Sir David Ornstein, dropped the news that the club had released longtime club medic, Colin Lewin. The man has been with us for 23 years, an incredible length of time. He was Head of Medical Services but was moved on yesterday.

This is sad. I had the privilege of meeting Colin Lewin in 2011 when he gave me and some other bloggers (I met Goonerholic) a tour of the medical facilities. The article is here and it’s still interesting today. I think I was invited, because back in the day, the argument around Wenger mostly centred on injured players, and how bad his luck was/how bad our medical team was. My argument was that injuries were sometimes about luck (impact), but most of our problems were soft tissue and preventable. The problem was Wenger overtraining players and fatiguing them (in the hope our players would be fitter in the last 10minutes), hammering a small squad and not rotating, combined with a lack of interest in using data properly. 3 years later we signed Shad Forsythe who could help with those issues and never looked back.

Anyway, it’s sad to see him go. I really feel for the good people left at Arsenal at the moment. There’s nothing worse than a regime change. Everyone is on edge, bullets come when you least expect it, and it’s terrifying.

Some other media outlets are reporting that Steve Bould won’t sign on under a new manager. I’m not surprised, he’s at the stage in his career where he needs to manage a club, and I’m sure there are plenty that’d be willing to give him a chance.

One thing is for sure, the club are being absolutely ruthless about getting back to the top. Raul Sanllehi is not mincing his vision (maybe the first Darren Burgess bullet with Colin), so I expect to see more changes in the not too distant future, and my hope is they are all for the good.

Again, all of this points towards a club that has a decentralized power structure. We’re not hiring in a manager who will bring 50 of his guys through the back door because he’s a so-called big name. We’re going to run like Barcelona. The Director of Football will make the decisions about the setup on the footballing side. He’ll hire in specialists who will build out teams and report into him. He’ll also be moving on surplus players, another area we’ve barely spoken about in the melee of craziness.

Sven Mislintat will control recruitment and player identification. It’ll be fascinating to understand how he’ll work with the whoever we bring in. He’ll not just be scouting, he’ll be monitoring our first team and making decisions with the coach on who we sign and let go, hopefully using insights gleaned from data sources (something we know Wenger either ignored or was really bad at).

Yesterday’s article went off the rails, the busiest day of the year for the site. The great news is the feedback was incredibly positive. Excellent that it coincided with Allegri declaring he’s likely to stay with Juve unless he’s fired.

This would be a bold move for Arsenal. Arteta could be our Pep Guardiola or Zidane. All the key attributes are there. He’s been a Premier League player, knows the league, has been a captain, is emotionally attached to Arsenal, has a goal of becoming an elite manager (one that he seems to be pursuing with vigour), cut his teeth with Manchester City after saying no to Spurs, he was a critical part of a backroom team that just delivered 100 points in the league.

The Poch said this in his book, Brave New World.

“He will make an exceptional coach,”

This is what Oliver Kay (great read) dug up from City spies.

“Extremely bright, great attention to detail, on the same page as Pep when it comes to how the game should be played,”

“Very good communicator, does a lot of one-to-one work with the players.”

“If you listen to what people say about Mikel, he has helped them get better,” another source says. “He is one of several coaches working behind Pep, but Pep wouldn’t have appointed him if he wasn’t convinced Mikel had some special qualities to bring to the party.

You only have to look at how he presents himself to see that he’s not a water carrier.

You can read snippets of where his head was at when he was 32 years old.

My team-mates are always going “What are you going to do Miki? You’re going to be a manager, you should be a manager!” I know what the job means and I know how hard it is, especially when I look at the boss and see how many hours he puts in here. You need to sacrifice your family all over again, which I’ve done since I was 15. But I would love to manage a squad of players and staff – I’ve got it inside me, it’s true, and I want to do it. First of all I want to make the most of my playing career, because I’m 32 and in this game you never know whether you’ll end up carrying on until 34, 35 or 36. After that, I’m certainly going to stay involved in football because I think I’ve got something to add. I would like to prove myself, and prove my ideas about managing and encouraging people to do things in the way I believe is best.

This was his philosophy 3 years ago.

My philosophy will be clear. I will have everyone 120 per cent committed, that’s the first thing. If not, you don’t play for me. When it’s time to work it’s time to work, and when it’s time to have fun then I’m the first one to do it, but that commitment is vital. Then I want the football to be expressive, entertaining. I cannot have a concept of football where everything is based on the opposition. We have to dictate the game, we have to be the ones taking the initiative, and we have to entertain the people coming to watch us. I’m 100 per cent convinced of those things, and I think I could do it.

Here’s his view on a system.

I think you need to adapt. You can have an idea of a system, but you need to be able to transform it depending on the players you have – how much pace you have up front, how technical your team is, what types of risk you can take and whether your players are ready to take those risks. It’s important to analyse your players because you can’t always play the same way. There have to be different details and changes in how you approach things, and you have to look at how you can hurt whoever you are playing against. Is there something they don’t like to do? If so, we’re going to make them do plenty of it. Then the most important thing for the manager is that, the Friday before the game, you imagine what’s going to happen on the Saturday. And if what happens on Saturday is not what I had planned, then it’s not been good enough from me.

Even back then, he understood you have to work with what you have, you must to pay attention to the details, and the players have to buy into it.

I also thought this John Cross story about Arteta was pretty funny.

He was nicknamed “Coach” by his team-mates during his five years at the Emirates as they could see his determination to move into management.

That nickname was not necessarily meant in the most flattering way — some players thought he was too ‘busy’ and always trying to interfere in decisions.

Firstly, I find it very hard to care about the opinion of many of our players over the last 10 years, we’ve been in sharp decline, anyone willing to help the mess should be given a gold star for effort. Secondly, if you read the Pep book by Ballague, he stated that Pep and Mourinho used to do exactly the same at Bareclona with Bobby Robson, reworking his tactics on the sly.

Mikel will be an entertainer, so we’ll be taking the game to the opposition and focus on buying in players who can dictate the game.

The major difference between then and now is that he’s worked from the ground up with the greatest manager in the world. He’s dealt with big personalities being told they’re surplus, or going to become bit part players. He’s helped identify weaknesses in young upstarts and been credited publicly on improving them. He’ll have been there at the training ground helping Pep identify what needed to happen to deliver on the mission of winning the league in year two, when the whole world was saying they couldn’t do it the beautiful way.

When you put that all down on paper, you might not be 100% sure of what’s coming, but damn, you’ll be excited and you’ll want to give it a go.

Arsenal fans have sat on their hands for the best part of ten years making inane excuses for our slow decline as a club. We’ve bottled countless league titles, we didn’t get out of the last 16 of the CL for 8 years in a row, we signed terrible players, we didn’t sell underperformers, we were consistently out thought by top 6 teams, we never, ever learnt from our mistakes.

  • ‘Mate, it’s only June, give it a rest’
  • ‘That won’t be the last of our signings, it’s only July’
  • ‘You get the best deals at the end of the window’
  • ‘No point in moaning, best shut up and support the lads’
  • ‘He’ll do something in January’
  • ‘SHUT UP AND SUPPORT THE LADS’
  • ‘Judge him in May’
  • ‘I think he knows what needs to be done’
  • ‘Hazard said Gervinho was the best player he’d ever trained with, actually’

Rinse. Repeat.

Arsene Wenger taught us that winning was secondary to values, and we fell for it.

That’s why I know the fans won’t be divided on Arteta. It’s almost impossible not to progress the club because the baseline is so low. Put a system in place, tighten the defence, implement a pressing philosophy, hold players accountable, run proper video analysis, practice how you play at 1-0 up, 2-0 down, how you attack a corner, how you play out from the back, how you break down a deep block, how you switch systems after 10minutes, build a winning culture and rewrite the values of the club to suit the era. (Ryan Mason talking about the things Arsenal haven’t had, and he’s a Hull player)

Arsenal are a mess. If they hire Arteta, they’re hiring a brilliant young coach, and they’re building a team around him.

… and here’s the best point. If he fails, it won’t take 10 years to make a change, and it won’t cost a summers transfer budget to do the deed.

A slightly different scenario, but look at PSG. They just hired Thomas Tuchel, a manager I’ve been purring over since the Mainz days. He’s never won a league title in his career. Why did they sign him? Because he’s a world class coach with elite ideas. They signed him on a two year deal. If it works, they’ll be playing unbelievable football. If it fails, it’ll cost them fuck all. Even the big clubs are turning their backs on ‘winners’, because winning things doesn’t always tell you who is and is not a great coach with the formula to take you to the promised land in 2019.

I also think from a business perspective, in a world of democratised football coverage, clubs are having to work harder for new fans. United has been offering up criminally poor football for 5 years now, it’ll hit their business model at some point, because a ‘brand’ in a fickle world only lasts as long the success is maintained. You’re not a big club if you’re not winning big trophies, and you can only fool the fans with big name signings for so long. If the product is shite, people will eventually stop buying.

Anyway, all very exciting. My nose is bleeding because I’m not used to this much progressive movement at the club.

What a time to be a Gooner… I hope you’re excited about the future because I certainly am.

P.S. Mesut meeting Erdogan for a photo opp? Fucking hell… a real lack of self-awareness when you’re repping Germany as your home country.

 

548 Responses to “Fans rally behind Arteta hype as evidence mounts he’s quite good (long read)”

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  1. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    Fuck it
    What we got to lose we all thought we would have wenger for another season

    Gove i5 a roll

  2. Emiratesstroller

    RT

    I am not referring to Don Howe working as Manager later on in his career.

    Howe was first team coach under Bertie Mee when we won league and cup double. Mee had limited football playing experience and no coaching background.

    Whatever you may think with your constant negativity Howe was rated in his
    era one of the top coaches in world football.

    As I have said many times we are recruiting a coach not a manager.

    For the record there are now rumours that Santi Cazorla will work alongside Arteta as a coach. Two weeks ago a football journalist who knows the set up at
    Arsenal told me that Cazorla has a fantastic rapport with younger players at
    the club and will make a fantastic coach.

  3. Champagne charlie

    Akilan

    My position is that I see both Arteta and Nagelsmann as having questionable merits. So much so I don’t belong in the camp that worships Nagelsmann and shits on a Arteta, I’d appreciate both with their respective risks.

  4. Pedro

    SUGA, it doesn’t have the same thing written over it.

    Moyes was a very experienced manager who’d been at two clubs, he was also a Fergie recco.

    Arteta has a totally different background, and offers totally different things.

    Sure he’s a risk, but all managers come with baggage.

  5. Wallace

    R. S. P. C. Arsenal

    “Wenger getting sacked by the club because of the fans is a bit like brexit….”

    brexit’s an utter goatf*ck. let’s hope replacing Wenger isn’t even remotely comparable. or Sean Dyche will be in charge and we’ll be playing Macclesfield in league two with Peter Crouch up top before you can say , ‘this isn’t turning out like I was told it would’.

  6. Champagne charlie

    The Vieira news, if true, is precisely the type of shit why I rate Arteta so much higher than him or Henry.

    Those guys think Arsenal owes them something. Henry laughed off heading a youth side for punditry because it was beneath him, now Vieira is supposedly annoyed at a token gesture by considering him for he job.

    Like I’ve said all along, Arteta slight the best for himself, and mark my words…the first thing he’ll talk about is how proud and thankful he is to have been considered for the role, let alone get it. He wants the best for us and values us, the others want from us and value themselves.

  7. azed

    “Henry laughed off heading a youth side for punditry because it was beneath him, ”

    This is pure BS, Henry wanted to do the two and Wenger said no.

  8. gambon

    Yep

    Wenger was terrified of having Henry at the club. Henry is far more popular than Le senile.

    There’s a reason Henry, Vieira, Bergkamp and Adams have been kept away from the club.

  9. Marko

    The Vieira news, if true, is precisely the type of shit why I rate Arteta so much higher than him or Henry. Those guys think Arsenal owes them something. Henry laughed off heading a youth side for punditry because it was beneath him, now Vieira is supposedly annoyed at a token gesture by considering him for he job.

    Thinks Arsenal owes them something…I’ve a feeling if I said something like that you’d have a smart comment for me.

    He wants the best for us and values us, the others want from us and value themselves

    I seem to remember his last year at the club like Cazorla this season contributed nothing but got paid all the same. He’s no better or worse than Vieira you need to take a step back from all this. Honestly ask yourself why do you have a thing for Arteta right now and a thing against Vieira and Henry?

  10. Champagne charlie

    “This is pure BS, Henry wanted to do the two and Wenger said no.“

    So you’re going to tell me the issue was Wenger wanting Henry to focus on being a coach at Arsenal and not treat it like a part time role?

    Yea….I’m going to still criticise Henry for not taking the chance seriously, and further still REFUSING it to be the best pundit he can be.

    Please fuck off if you’re genuinely trying to defend that type of attitude mate, it screams entitlement. I tip my cap to Wenger for telling Henry to be a coach totally or get nothing.

  11. Elmo

    Pierre

    Everyone should get behind the manager, the players and the club once the appointment is made. Until that appointment is made, I think it’s fair to discuss issues like the importance of experience before taking a high profile job, and whether such attributes are over-rated.

    We can already see interesting transfer rumours emerging, which are going to dominate the discussion this summer once the managerial appointment is made. Whoever is appointed, it will be the most exciting summer as an Arsenal fan for many years.

  12. Marko

    Anyway it’s gotta hurt being overlooked by England in place of Fabian Delph. Wilshere is honestly that shit. Can’t blame injuries this season he hasn’t been out that much. He’s just a bit meh really

  13. Emiratesstroller

    RT

    Howe was too nice to be a top Manager, but he was a great coach and that is what
    Arsenal need.

    Google the obituary of Howe in Guardian.

    “He was a more than lieutenant to the England Managers Ron Greenwood, Bobby Robson and Terry Venables.

    A master tactician with great insight in the game, particularly in terms of defence, he was one of the best coaches Britain ever produced.”

    Is that what most posters on Le Grove have been wanting for several years and
    the complaints directed at Wenger, because of his poor coaching ability?

  14. Guns of SF

    My fear is that the rest of the footballing world will see Arsenal as making a highly unambitious step- they are at the helm of showing some true freaking ambition and then they go with lil Mikel.

    We are a joke. We have no more excuses if we do this.

    This job is ripe for the picking for a major name to come in and shake things up.
    To me it shows such low ambition from IG, the board etc.

    Ivan should be fired if he does this IMO. He would look a whole lot better if the took a big name and the new big name coach fails.. at least we can say HE tried.

    This hiring to me is such a step down. As someone said earlier, this is a car crash waiting to happen… you dont have to see it to believe it to be true.

    Earlier, even Sarri’s name was being talked about on here…. its just shocking to think that Arteta would also be considered in the same breathe. We want a shake up… well what is wrong with someone like Sarri then? It just seems the reasons for taking Arteta are a lot of “hope” and “what ifs”

    I want to see Arsenal rise from the ashes again and kick some fucking ass all the time. Its been too long, and even the YouTube videos of the Invincibles are looking old and dated now!

    I want us to be feared and to also attract the best players-

    After the thrill of having Wenger leave early, this is just a flat deflating experience

  15. Marko

    Those guys think Arsenal owes them something

    Kind of like Arsene these last 5-10 depending on who you talk to

  16. Marko

    Charlie before you retort I take it back I don’t want to start another Arteta Vieira thing again I apologize I’m tired and I don’t care about it all that much. Can’t change anything anyway so why bother

  17. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    Stroller

    That news that carzola will be in the set was in one of the links I sent….

    But answer me how do Arteta an carzola reach to the London based youngsters we have ..?

    They’d don’t

  18. Pedro

    Guns, so now you’re like us to hire a chain-smoking, homophobic, racist, 59 year old who hasn’t won a major trophy and just bottled Serie A?

  19. Champagne charlie

    Marko

    You’re really struggling to separate the players from the coaches here. Their ability as players isn’t the deciding factor. You can’t throw dirt at Arteta for being injured in his final year at the club.

    But include all of it mate and fuck the cherry picking. He couldn’t play for the club so coached the under’s in that season. He also took a fucking paycut to join us in the first place from Everton.

    His ambition is abundantly clear to me, moreso than those two. Really not a hard one to get. You say he’s no better than Vieira or Henry, I say he is for this alone.

  20. Bob

    As a no.10 you score 2goals in 2 season’s and expert to get picked for England and play at the world cup?

  21. Guns of SF

    Pedro, not my point…
    The argument for pro arteta is to change things – refreshing things, have a new set of eyes on things etc.
    Well , the same can be said for other coaches too right? Or is this an age thing?
    Sarri example was only trying to state my point. I do not want a racist at the club period.

    Its not like Arteta is the only one who can bring these things. Everyday I read the pro Arteta arguments on here and aside from “hope” there is not much else.

    Believe me, Im one for being progressive but I am also realistic about where this team is right now. The culture needs changing from top to bottom. Many of us feel like Arteta is a nice easy pick for IG etc, to keep the status quo going. Sure he will do somethings different from Wenger, but are we really picking the best we can get? Allegri or Arteta? You tell me?

    I think the club needs to reassess its mission and vision statement. I think the piece that is missing from those is the word AMBITION

  22. Emiratesstroller

    R.S.P.C Arsenal

    Many of the youngsters train with the Arsenal First Team Squad.

    Cazorla is immensely popular at the club and as the journalist said to me will make an excellent coach when he retires.

    I think that Arteta and Cazorla would make an excellent coaching combination along with Lehmann. There is a combination of football knowledge,
    intelligence and steel in that group.

    When you look around the game you won’t find a better combination of skills
    albeit yes untested at top coaching level.

  23. Freddie Ljungberg

    Can we just release Wilshere so Bob shuts the fuck up?
    Well worth it for that reason alone.

  24. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    I’m not saying it won’t work…. but the club should brace themselves if it goes tits up….

    Is the argument throwing new players in the answer ?

    New manager
    5 new players
    3 promoted youths

    Could all unbalance the squad

  25. Dissenter

    CC
    Some of the things you’re writing here about Arteta are cringe worthy.
    “Like I’ve said all along, Arteta slight the best for himself, and mark my words…the first thing he’ll talk about is how proud and thankful he is to have been considered for the role, let alone get it. He wants the best for us and values us, the others want from us and value themselves.”

    Yuck!!!
    Arteta values the club?
    Is that why he was accepting contract after contracts while he stayed on the sideline because he was crocked.

    If it’s Arteta then we all don’t have a choice.
    Just stop peeing on our legs and tell us that it’s raining.

  26. SUGA3

    Pedro,

    My opinion is that it is a meh appointment, as he does not exactly ooze charisma. Like I said, he was not even that much of a captain. You know, rallying the troops, grabbing the game by the scruff of the neck, making a difference.

    Just what Wenger would want, someone with zero chance of upstaging him.

  27. Champagne charlie

    Dissenter

    Dry your eyes you pleb. Nothing I’ve said is difficult to surmise from Arteta’s past interactions with the club/media. He’s a respectable and ambitious guy, it’s blatant as it comes.

    He’s not in the Sky studio with dribbling Jamie, or leaking disgruntled noises to the press at ‘only’ being considered as next manager.

    You really ought to grow up a touch, your toy throwing is the only cringeworthy thing about here.

  28. SUGA3

    ‘chain-smoking, homophobic, racist’

    No one gives a fuck. We could hire Hitler for all I care, providing that he showed some pedigree. After years of constant trying to reinvent the wheel, we are not in position to experiment right now.

  29. Emiratesstroller

    R.S.P.C Arsenal

    If it goes tits up Arsenal will make the necessary changes as they did with Rioch.

    However, Arsenal will give a young coach time to prove himself unlike many other clubs.

    No-one on here is surely deluded in believing that Arsenal is not a medium term project of at least 3 years.

  30. Marko

    He couldn’t play for the club so coached the under’s in that season

    So has Henry I believe.

    He also took a fucking paycut to join us in the first place from Everton.

    Did he? That was nice of him. Considering that he was a panic buy after the 8-2 at Old Trafford and let’s be honest here he was a player who should never have been an Arsenal player because frankly he wasn’t that good he’s very lucky to have been here so let’s not fawn over him. He was an okay midfielder who played for us at our worst and that’s really it

  31. Marko

    Anyway those rumours of a 50 million budget seem to be a load of bollox obviously. The lad from Friedburg for 35 million and apparently Seri at 40 million makes a mockery of that report. 75 million my guess is combined it’s likely to be closer to 50-60 million. Not bad but honestly think we might have been better off making a statement signing with that but who knows what they’re thinking. Literally who knows.

  32. Elmo

    Pedro

    You can smear anyone if you so choose. You could describe Wenger as a tax avoiding adulterer in just the same way that you smear Sarri. Stick to fitness for the job based on football achievements unless we’re talking about judicial convictions and bans.

  33. gambon

    ” so now you’re like us to hire a chain-smoking, homophobic, racist, 59 year old”

    Im sure we could get him to give up smoking.

  34. Sam

    Quite clearly Pedro has had a word with Gazidos to promote Arteta. There is literally no argument for him to get the job over other people. Yes he may have worked under Pep but he still hasn’t managed a club -Zidane,pep, Enrique all did for 2 years within the set up of the club they went to manage so that comparison is different. Those 3 players were also some of the best in their generation playing under huge pressure under top managers. Arteta played for a poor arsenal side and Everton. Again no comparison. Managers like Howe and Dyche are more qualified! Viera is yet he is disregarded by Pedro. Jardim is 10x more qualified.

  35. Aubergine14

    Guns

    ‘My fear is that the rest of the footballing world will see Arsenal as making a highly unambitious step- they are at the helm of showing some true freaking ambition and then they go with lil Mikel.’

    Who gives a fuck what other people are saying? The rest of the football world ffs? Whoever we appoint it’s not going to be universally approved by everyone so get a grip.

    ‘ Everyday I read the pro Arteta arguments on here and aside from “hope” there is not much else.’

    If you’re realistic as a football fan ‘hope’ is all you have. No matter who the manager is, no matter who you sign or who you play against cos there are no certainties in this game.

    If you can’t accept than just hop from franchise to franchise in the US or follow the expensive new thing in England like City.

  36. Marko

    Very good gambon.

    Yeah who are we to judge sure Stan is a republican and let’s just say Ivan is a rich white man from South Africa and leave it at that. Oh and Usmanov had an allegation of r@pe. #values

  37. SUGA3

    If we are going for the Raul + Sven doing the, er, HR bits of the job, why don’t we just do away with appointing a manager in the first place?

    Just appoint Keown, Vieira and Henry as coaches. No manager. If Arteta as manager with zero experience is supposed to work, why wouldn’t this?

  38. Dissenter

    CC
    Like I said, if it’s Arteta … so be it.
    It’s just that you’re dredging up every positive Arteta fact to justify his rapid ascension to a job that probably too big-too soon. Please note “probably” before you come yapping at me.
    Isn’t there a part of you that is hesitant, or are you just gung-ho 100%?
    Can you understand why even the mos Pollyanna of people here are caught in two minds?

  39. SUGA3

    ‘If you’re realistic as a football fan ‘hope’ is all you have.’

    Such bullshit. If you were in any way realistic as an AFC fan in the last decade or so, you had no hope of winning a major trophy. You know why? Because people paid silly amounts of money just would not do their job to give the fans such hope.

  40. gambon

    Has anyone else noticed that the number of AFC players going away to tournaments is becoming less and less every 2 years?

    I remember us having the most players one year 16 or 17, now it looks like being 5 or 6.

    Surely thats testament to our slide into mediocrity.

    Im sure Untold, as well as Pierre, CHampagne and Aubergine will blame UEFA, Global Warming or the PGMOL .

  41. Champagne charlie

    Marko

    You’re usually someone who can do some debating, but the manner you’re deliberately deconstructing Arteta as a player is weird.

    It wasn’t a point raised when discussing his credentials vs Henry/Vieira. It was their individual actions in pursuing the best for their coaching careers.

    Henry: was given the chance to coach at Arsenal. Wanted to work for Sky as well. Wenger said, no if you want to be a coach you have to give it total commitment. Henry is now……..a pundit, with a bi-monthly training session with Belgium to call his “coaching career”.

    Vieira: far more ambitious than Henry, but played for European elites yet decides its New York that will groom his burgeoning talent. Like all the hot young players/managers who head to the MLS or the next level I’m guessing, not the easy street, definitely not that…. oh and that guy is now pissed because he was merely considered for the Arsenal job. Ivan you cunt.

    Arteta: couldnt play in his last season through injury. Could’ve picked up 80k a week for mad rehab banter and metal jacuzzi sessions, but said no fuck that I want to coach. Took to the under’s. Hung up his boots and when he turned around with tears still in his eyes he had offers from Arsenal, City, Spurs to become a coach. Not Accrington or West Brom. Said cheers Arsenal, but that bald fella is kind of tearing it up and I fancy picking his brain.

    Which sounds like the guy serious about becoming something beyond the player they’re currently known as?

  42. Guns of SF

    Abeurgine

    You missed the point. I think Wenger et al, have done a remarkable job of selling us mediocrity disguised in many ways. Its the rotten culture of the team that has to change. its this mindset that infuriates the fans.

    Ambition -not a lack of it is the very first starting place. We have a billionaire owner but no one ever talks about that. So do City, Chelsea etc. Why is that we struggle to spend and attract the best?

    Lack of AMBITION

    Ive been following this team for a long time. Why would I follow a MLS team or city? That has no bearing on what I am stating.

  43. Dissenter

    ” so now you’re like us to hire a chain-smoking, homophobic, racist, 59 year old”

    God help us.
    Sarri said one misguided thing that he apologized for, now he’s a homophibe
    He smokes so he can’t be manager of Arsenal.
    He has Kalidou Koulibaly and Diawara playing for him, both are African players who disagree with this blatant character assassination
    …Pedro just add to throw the age into the mix too.

    I hear he sleeps on his back and snores as well.

    All this to defend the choice of a manager who has never managed a reserve team game.

  44. SUGA3

    Basically, Ivan is tired of being the manager’s bitch, so he is doing the ‘exactly-the-opposite-rebound-after-break-up’ routine.

    And as rebounds go, this is going to end in tatters. Psychology 101.

  45. Dissenter

    Guns of SF
    “Ive been following this team for a long time. Why would I follow a MLS team or city? That has no bearing on what I am stating.”

    That’s the modus operandi of Aubergine/Northern
    He’s been binned for this type of behaviors hence his multiple monikers. Just ignore him when he goes low.

  46. Champagne charlie

    Dissenter

    I’ve quoted risk a dozen times over, and I’ve also stated I prefer Allegri. People like yourself are that busy trying to fling mud at others you miss their input altogether.

    I want Allegri to take charge, have done for two years. But Arteta as next manager is something I can recognise as incredibly bold, and potentially very good. I see the risk, I appreciate the unknown. But there’s a lot of positive indicators out there, and I’m certain the guys are Arsenal have a more in depth brief than some sound bites and get to mull over.

    Before someone brings up trusting Ivan and the board, whom I’ve stated I don’t have faith in. I’m still very much open to being persuaded, and firing employees in the double figures, overhauling the entire operation, and showing no signs of slowing down is exactly the kind of action that has me amsat with my hands up going… ok guys, next?

  47. Dissenter

    CC
    In fairness, you’ve talked up Allegri.
    People just want Arsenal to do well. That’s the reason for this ruckus

  48. salpardisenyc

    I’m having a hard time pinning down what this crew of Ivan, his new hires Raul and Sven have done wrong thus far?

    Barring potentially locking us to Ozil for eternity, which i’m sure Wenger was a party to. They’ve had a pretty fucking epic run in 2018.

    Said it earlier, I think they’ve earned some latitude.

  49. Guns of SF

    Bring in Allegri,, or Enrique, they will teach Ivan a thing or 2.
    Ivan is running the show folks…. we all know that.
    Sven and Raul were good but was it Ivan, or was it Josh K that influenced that decision?
    The coach is the most critical piece here. Im sure Ivan is thinking…..
    1. How do I keep my job during the most critical part of Arsenal’s current history?
    2. How can I deflect responsibility onto others when the team fails again?
    3. How can I sell the masses – a dream instead of reality?
    4. How can I not be forced to ask Stan for $$ ?

    Its all about power and self preservation. Forget ambition…Ivans ego is too large to deal with a strong head coach…whomever that may be.
    He would have to actually take accountability.

    This is the rot my friends.. self preservation, sentimentality. etc.

  50. Buckhurst Gun

    Pierre

    I know the history of the club – I just don’t understand why you think Arsenal fans have no right to be demanding we challenge for titles and why you always bring up fans of other teams like they just sit there and take what ever their teams dish out – they don’t

  51. Kwame

    Arteta would make a good coach. We have the examples of Zidane, Nagelsman and Pep to go by. Did anybody think Ali would beat Liston? Whomever is chosen let’s get behind him, but before that the banter on the best choice for the club must go on. Arsenal forever!!

  52. Dissenter

    Sal
    “Banter summer if Chelsea are able to land Pochettino without champions league.

    If Zidane leaves Real [of you believe the Spanish tabloids] then the money is on Pochettino to go to Real.

    He’s already making impossible demands to Daniel Levi.

  53. Marko

    You’re usually someone who can do some debating, but the manner you’re deliberately deconstructing Arteta as a player is weird.

    It’s honestly cause I’m tired of having the same arguments not debates. Charlie can I just say you keep mentioning that in his last year as a player he was managing the under 18’s I honestly can’t see anywhere that he was doing that much the last year nothing hands on or anything I just can’t find it. Also Henry also done some under whatever managing with us but you never mention that

  54. Marko

    His last year at Arsenal he made 14 appearances the previous year it was 11 if he was an under 18’s coach he must have been part time at best

  55. salpardisenyc

    Dissenter,

    I’m not putting much stock in the Spanish tabloids flogging the narrative of outing a potential 3 time Champions league winner, in his third season.

    But weirder things have happened in Madrid.

  56. Champagne charlie

    Marko

    Henry was coaching but Wenger wanted him to do just that and not Sky punditry. Henry chose Sky, I’ve said that numerous times. It’s the primary reason I laugh at his suggestions he wants to manage someday.

    Why do you want me to say mate? I’m not making it up about Arteta coaching, but because John Cross hasn’t done an article on it it’s false? He coached at Arsenal, I’ll dig up something for you at some point.

  57. BacaryisGod

    Gambon-not sure your point makes much sense. It doesn’t really matter how many players a team sends to the World Cup but what the quality of the players are who are going and who are missing out.

    Eboue went to the World Cup. I don’t think that makes him better than Aubameyang. Likewise, Ramsey is more deserving than Ospina, Xhaka and Iwobi but they are all going.

    Of the players that aren’t going, Kozzer is injured, Aubameyang, Ramsey and Mkhitaryan are all clearly good enough to play but aren’t at competitive enough teams and Monreal and Bellerin are unlucky to be up against some tough competition in their positions for Spain. Santi might have made it but his injuries wrecked his chances. Wilshere and Mustafi are probably the only two who squandered their chances based on their performances.

    Then there are the players who are too young right now (Maitland-Niles, Chambers and erm, Holding). The first two have a good chance in 2022 though.

    I know the squads haven’t been announced but my best guess for Arsenal players in the WC are:

    Ospina, Iwobi, Lacazette, Elneny, Ozil, Welbeck and Xhaka. That’s 7 players and we have another 7 that have the talent (if not the right country or injury luck) to succeed at the WC.

  58. Marko

    Why do you want me to say mate? I’m not making it up about Arteta coaching, but because John Cross hasn’t done an article on it it’s false? He coached at Arsenal, I’ll dig up something for you at some point.

    It’s fine I believe you. You’re a stranger on a blog but I believe you wouldn’t make it up. I think you might be making a bigger deal of it but you’re making your point.

    I just think it’s funny that just recently I was sceptical about Enrique and Ancellotti becoming the next Arsenal manager and I was in no way shape or form interested in Rafa Benitez but now honestly I’d give my left nut for any one of them. The only candidates for me worst than Arteta are Henry and Rodgers. But sure look

  59. Dissenter

    Marko
    He would have had to do some coaching to get his coaching licence. That’s the “coaching” that CC is referring to.
    The club has full term U-18 coaches though.

  60. Dissenter

    Sal
    It’s impossible for anyone to manage Real or Barca for more than 3-4 years.
    It’s either the sack or a burn-out.
    Those big clubs in Spain are toxic, the fans don’t play nice and have voting rights.

  61. Emiratesstroller

    I think that you will find that many current and ex players have been taking their coaching badges at Arsenal and that will have included Arteta, Mertesacker,
    Lehman,Henry, Pires and Ljungberg. If that is the case then they will have been
    working with some of the Arsenal youth teams to gain practical experience.

  62. Dissenter

    Arteta in 2016
    ““It is very hard to stop but I wanted to leave it. I wanted to decide, and I thought for the last few months that I wasn’t good enough to represent this club on the pitch,” Arteta said. “You have to accept it. It has been a long time for me to be playing football and I didn’t want to cheat them or anyone. It is time. I want to leave it like this and we will see what happens”

    He really said that ” It has been a long time for me to be playing football and I didn’t want to cheat them or anyone. It is time.”

    Okay…I’m beginning to see this guy as a honorable man. I just wish the club stops giving out contracts to players that are too broken to play.

    I do think Arteta will go on to be a splendid manager some day. The point many are making is that is this job [Arsenal] too big..or too soon for 2018?

  63. salpardisenyc

    Has to sting, Henry chose the cash and punditry while Arteta made the decision to leave completely and work under Pep. A choice thats about to pay serious dividends. Had Henry chosen to stay and work with club, this hire could be a very different conversation.

    Pretty apparent Arteta’s getting the nod, and likely soon.

    Dissenter

    Has to be a real tester living in that cauldron, but he’s proven his mettle both on and off the pitch. Would love to see ZZ win a third by utterly decimating Liverpool then walking. 3 for 3, total hero.

  64. Marko

    I do appreciate the calling time as opposed to leeching off the club for another year or two (ahem Jack, Abou) but no real mention of the under 18’s stuff but rather looking at training as a coach rather than a player. Look I’m not doubting for a second his ambitions to become a proper manager a successful manager my thinking as always been is he good enough NOW for a job like Arsenal. SHOULDN’T we be targeting an experienced coach rather

  65. BacaryisGod

    If there’s any truth to Sokratis coming to us, then that’s upped my excitement for next season. Interestingly, he made his Dortmund debut at the same time as Mkhitaryan and Aubameyang so there’s built-in chemistry. He’s also a perfect mentor for Mavrapanos. Fingers crossed we find a buyer for Mustafi and bring in both Sokratis and Soyuncu.

    Something tells me we’ll sell Bellerin though. I’m fine with that if it improves our central defensive and midfield areas. I think AMN is ready to step into Bellerin’s position for next season.

    Playing Football Manager for a second, here’s my dream scenario. Sell Mustafi, Ozil and Bellerin (85m maybe?). Bring in Sokratis, Soyuncu, Seri, Doucoure and Fabianski (125m maybe?). Renew Ramsey deal.

    Team:

    Fabianski, Maitland-Niles, Sokratis, Soyuncu, Seri, Doucoure, Ramsey, Aubameyang, Mkhitaryan, Lacazette

    Mybe unrealistic, but I think this would be an athletic, hard-working team that can defend but score plenty too.

  66. Guns of SF

    we need a good dose of speed in the side. Bar, PEA and Bell, we are average to slow.
    Look at our predictable build up. its slow and involves too much sideways passing.
    We need a speedy winger… since theo and ox left… we are lacking in that area. Iwobi doesnt cut it… period.
    I would also like to see a proper DM- size 6-1 to 6-2.
    Taller back line
    extreme athleticism in the team.

    Sell Rambo, Jack, Xhaka- too slow get what we can for them now, before the real decline happens

    I hate Pool but look at that team ….. fast strong, and total blitzkreig against other teams. Most opponents are shell shocked in the first 30 mins.

  67. Fatsofatsoman

    Pedro – such a dishonest headline, agenda serving really – I’ve agreed with pretty much all you’ve blogged from day dot – but this really smacks of paid up Ivan ITK membership.

    It is a flat out lie to say Arsenal fans are rallying around the appointment – the overwhelming feeling everywhere you look is dismay/discontent. At least be more subtle in your paid off pieces.

  68. Black Hei

    “We have a billionaire owner but no one ever talks about that. So do City, Chelsea etc. Why is that we struggle to spend and attract the best?”

    Our billionaire gets rich by milking Arsenal while their billionaire got black gold or gas flowing out of their ears.

  69. TonyD

    I don’t blame Pedro for his agenda driven push of Arteta as he deserves all he gets for working so hard with Le Grove over the years.

    If the below is true, then I hope Gazidis is ready for all and any fall out from the fans. If it ends up with empty seats at the Emirates, then gazidis will have to fall on his sword.

    We don’t know how much of this is Krankies influenced either, but I doubt they will be supporting Gazidis if it goes tits up.

    It’s a very bold move that could set us back, but it could also be the right move.

    So let’s see what Captain Fantastic manager wannabe Arteta can do.

    Genuinely I hope he’s a success as I always love the underdog to do well unless it’s Stoke or Spuds.

    However, for the record I would have preferred a manager with experience at this stage or as I mentioned much earlier in this post Carlo or Benitez for one year with Arteta as a very active assistant with Carlo or Benitez in the mentoring role.

    Also to the Krankies & Gazidis – SHOW US THE MONEY! At least give Arteta the financial backing he needs to add quality to the squad, so he has every chance to succeed.

    Don’t micro manage Arteta; let him run the ship as he sees fit. If you believe in him that much to give him the job, then back him all the way.

    He has my full support for now ………….. But like so many who have posted here we are not going to suffer fools gladly. 14 years has been enough and the club has had every chance to select the right manager.

    All I ask for is continual and methodical success putting us back to challenging for top trophies in 2 to 3 years and winning the PL within 5 years.

    Give us back our mojo and make us a team to be feared again.

    No excuses.

    “Arsenal set to appoint Mikel Arteta as new boss with players told he is 90 per cent certain to replace Arsene Wenger”

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5732835/Mikel-Arteta-90-cent-certain-replace-Arsene-Wenger-Arsenal.html#ixzz5FdBr7t3U

  70. gonsterous

    pedro

    I love you and your blog but you’ve been sprouting bollocks for the past 2 days. Arteta is a shit signing and I’d rather have Wenger ( or his dead body) over arteta.. arteta can prove to me that I’m wrong but not by taking over the arsenal. go work somewhere else first…

  71. gonsterous

    we need a type of manager who the players can get behind. we’ve seen a lot of managers come, and have the players play their hearts out for a season, achieve a high finish but ultimately let the manager down in the second season.

  72. Wallace

    ““You have to be honest with yourself. That’s why I haven’t been upset with the manager. I have been upset with myself. When you can’t get it right and you have been through injuries and difficult moments at this level. For me, to play at this club, you have to be the best in your position. When you lose that, I think you should be away from this place. I have probably been here too long. In the last few months, I probably didn’t deserve to be here but at least I got the chance [against Villa] to stay in touch with them and it has been amazing.

    “For me, the standards you need to play for this club – it cannot be eight out of 10. It has to be 10 out of 10. When you cannot deliver that, it is not good enough. Sometimes, people get away with it. Inside myself, my gut wasn’t clean and, when you are like this, I prefer to make the decision myself.”

    Arteta was asked whether his decision to retire was definitive. “I am going to leave myself one per cent because, in football, one per cent is a lot and things can twist very quickly. But I have different options now to be related to football, which I am very grateful for.

    “It is very unusual to have opportunities at this level. That has made me think it was probably time and the way I have been watching football in the last few months – or, probably, over a year – it was not as a player, it was more as a coach. Then, you have to think about it.”

    Arteta did not go into specifics about his coaching options because of his affection for Arsenal. “I don’t want to say clubs but I have three very different options and I am very proud, because it is not common.”

    – the above’s why I’ve no problem giving him a shot – humble, practical, brutally honest, realistic, in demand…

  73. Pierre

    Fatso
    “It is a flat out lie to say Arsenal fans are rallying around the appointment – the overwhelming feeling everywhere you look is dismay/discontent.”

    I think you are confusing the real world with the Internet world.

    In the real world the Arsenal fans will support the manager…
    In the Internet world the plastic fans will criticise the appointment.

    The proof will be if /when Arteta takes charge of his first game at the Emirates….. My belief is the fans will initially give full support for Arteta and he will be greeted with open arms by the fans.

    My fear is, a couple of defeats early in his tenor and we will be back to the same old shit from the plastics.

  74. Confidentgoner

    Na wa o! Good thing for me is that if it bombs, Gazidas is out. But the trend is for clubs to go for greenhorns not dinosaurs and I understand this based on the structures in the clubs.

    Success is recognized as more team based than just one man’s input.

    You have in modern clubs, the video analytics guy, the medical guy, the coaches who work under the manager and really help the manager, the scouting guy , in our case a competent Mislintat, the Director of football who makes contracts happen and manages over contracts of new and negotiations plus sales of old players. In our case we have a very competent and tested Sanhelli.

    If Arteta has learned something in two years of working with the best manager, he should do a good job, giving the team assembled to help him..

    I perfectly understand the unease in the fan base as many have not fully understood the new way of working which our club has signed unto. It absolutely means no dinosaur manager ever.

    What I would love to see is his term. Two years with option of early termination and extension, so if he bombs, club can cut losses.

    Hell, I can manage under this structure better than Wenger. He was a terrible manager, made the same mistakes, poor scouting, unable to instill a competitive air in his squad because of his obvious favouritism, not competence. Thankfully, that era is gone for good.

    Arsenal players will now earn their living!

  75. gambon

    Wallace

    The fact that you call it “giving him a shot” is what worries me.

    We are acting like a mid table club. I fear we are maybe trying to become one.

  76. Moray

    Arteta and Carzolla ,
    Jesus Christ, Is the tea lady not available ?

    Pat’s just been put in charge of contract negotiations…