It’s over.
Arsene is OUT.
A new future awaits.
We know very little about what’s actually going on with the status of the managerial interview process at the moment, but what we know for sure is now the season is finished, the club can talk to Bundesliga candidates and people from the Premier League. Next week, we’ll be able to meet with Serie A prospects.
I’ve been weighing up the next coach for years, plotting out who could be the best candidate for Arsenal, and now the options are starting to narrow, it’s clear the front runners are Vieira, Nagelsmann, Arteta and Allegri.
I think the Juventus maestro is looking less and less likely by the day. Someone on his team leaked a story to The Sun that he’d look for a £200m transfer kitty to come to the club. Firstly, that’s never going to happen, secondly, what does that tell you about the way he operates? Things could go very Conte, very quickly. By that I mean back channelling complaints in the media, throwing games to make a point the squad is shite, and letting emotions get in the way of doing the best job possible.
Sources close to Allegri, who first revealed his interest in our exclusive TWO MONTHS ago, claim his ambitions have to be matched.
He will accept the job if Arsenal can take him to the levels he is used to at Juve, which include competing in the Champions League.
Allegri won’t be working in a perfect environment, and it’s telling that his team are already making demands about the environment. We are not going to be operating like Juventus immediately, if that’s his expectation, he’ll be disappointed. It also reads like he’s looking to turbocharge the rebuild to suit his rush to win a Champions League. Though that would be lovely, we have to be real, Arsenal won’t be on that path for a while. We’re not going to give him Galactico budgets, we’ll have to make an impact using a different strategy.
I do wonder how Allegri would cope being at a club that doesn’t have the funds to compete with City, United or Chelsea. When you’re one of the best, with just the Champions League evading you, how are you going to feel about working with tier two funds? Fine if you’re Klopp, he likes being the underdog and relishes the challenge. Allegri is at the Manchester City of Italy. Arsenal will never be that.
The leak could also be a white flag from his team, making their reasons as to why he’s not heading over very clear. Either way, it’s not a good sign. For all Wenger’s faults, he never really complained in the press about the board or his lot in life, he ploughed on through the dark years. That’s the Arsenal way, that’s one of the values you want from your new hire, loyalty to the cause however tough it is.
Also, though his football is tactically exciting, as Paul Merson mentioned, it takes us back to the George Graham era of football. Catching teams on the break with incisive counter-attacking football. I could live with it, but it’d be a sharp deviation from what we love. I appreciate there’s a lot of excitement about having a manager who can defend properly, but we don’t have to destroy our style in the process. Look at how United fans are dealing with Mourinho football. Who wants 2nd place that way? Also worth noting Allegri is taking English lessons. Small detail, but building out Arsenal and a new life whilst getting to grips with a new language is tough.
Nagelsmann is the hottest young coaching option in the game, what he’s done at Hoffenheim is next level. I don’t think his club is going to let him go, he’s tied into a strict contract that would require a big fee to release him. Also, he’s apparently planning on settling down with his lady, and it sounds like Munich is the dream. He’s 31, if he does well at Arsenal, there’s a cap on his tenure, a bit like signing a young Barca player. He’ll always pine for Bayern.
Patrick Vieira being on the list is an odd one. He’s not set the world alight in the US and he’s been working with average players. The fans obviously love him, but I’m not sure that’s enough to land the job.
That’s why I’m throwing my vote behind Arteta.
He’s a very interesting prospect if you have the stomach for strategic risk. He’s not been the head coach at a club yet. But that shouldn’t scare people off, because there are so many interesting facets around his star that make this potential move feel very exciting.
I’ll start with the easy one. Leadership is in his blood. He’s been the captain of two Premier League clubs, Everton, then Arsenal at a time where he needed to help stabilise us post-Cesc. I’m really not worried about him being overawed by the head coach role, some people just naturally gravitate towards responsibility and can lead. He’s clearly one of those people.
He’s also been in on the ground floor at Manchester City, actively contributing to the creation of one of the best Premier League sides of all time.
Guardiola is desperate to keep hold of Arteta, who he considers pivotal to his backroom staff at City.
The Catalan immediately approached Arteta when agreeing to take over at the Etihad – valuing his knowledge of English football.
They hit 100 points yesterday. That is insane. Arteta has been there from the start, he’s witnessed how you coach new ideas into players, he’s helped improve people like Sterling, he’s in the day to day. He has helped create history. He worked through the very average first season with Pep and helped fix it in the most spectacular way.
Why would Arsenal not want to hire in someone with the hottest intellectual property in world football?
In business, a tried and true strategy for smart hiring is pinching the young people in and around great successes at other companies. If you make a great advert that wins a bunch of awards, that team is decimated the next year as rival agencies pick off the people who they ‘hoped’ worked on it so they can infuse that magic in their client accounts.
Tesla has been bleeding engineers and senior managers to Apple’s car division. Why are they raiding them? Because those people have been part of something special from the ground up. Does anyone say that’s a bad strategy because Elon is such a dominant force in the media? No, because in business, it’s more clearly understood that the person taking all the credit always has an incredible body of thinkers/doers underneath them making the work happen. We tend to think of football differently to business, despite clubs increasingly moving to structures that closely resemble traditional corporations. A collection of specialists reporting into a CEO (the head coach).
It’s also worth remembering that Pep G and Pochettino both fought it out for Arteta’s signature before he’d even hung up his boots. That’s two of the best coaches on the planet. A pretty strong endorsement of what people think of him. This is the Spurs manager.
“I love him and he loves me,”
“You know our history from Paris St Germain, when he was 17 and I was the captain.”
Arteta said no to his mate Poch because he wanted a way back to Arsenal.
An even bigger endorsement came from Pep Guardiola after the City game yesterday.
‘Mikel’s contribution was outstanding, amazing, and we have been so good together,’
‘So, if he stays I will be happiest guy in the world. If he decides to move because he has this option I will not say: “You don’t have to go”.
‘I want the best for my friends and he is a friend. If he decides to go I will be sad but I will understand his decision.
‘Because it is his career, his life and family and I am not the right guy to say you don’t have to do that.
‘But hopefully he can stay and finish what we have together in the coming years.’
Pep could have easily said he doesn’t comment on speculation. He could have said he wasn’t ready. He could have said no. Telling that he didn’t.
Back to Arteta, the guy cried on his last game with us. He loves the club, he’ll know there are doubts about his ability to transition, and he’ll go through brick walls to make it work. I love his ruthless ambition to make it big. Mourinho like moves on a major job.
The most important thing he can do for me is bring sexy football back to The Emirates. I want to see innovative thinking. I want to see a continuation of the Wenger legacy in a more modern and disciplined setup. Where better to find that than from under the wing of Pep Guardiola?
There’s also the brass tacks of this sort of move. The club is having a clear out of the coaching staff. Colbert, Boro, Banfield, Peyton, Bibbo and maybe even Bould might be off. I have no doubt the club will want to control the coaching hires, and I expect they’ll be making offers as we speak. You need a manager who is comfortable with the club decentralizing power and control. Allegri is unlikely to tolerate that if he’s putting his reputation on the line. Even the relative novice Thomas Tuchel was fired because he couldn’t deal with the power structure at Dortmund.
In Arteta, we’re hiring a coach. The club doesn’t need someone to manage transfers, contracts, and every single department of the club. We need to hire someone who knows how to train players, keep them motivated and ultimately improve them. We need a person who can work with different departments, synthesize data, and make bold and imaginative decisions. We need someone to coach the kids, recalibrate the senior players, and help support smart additions to a squad that needs surgery.
This is not us signing Steve Mcclaren or Carles Queiroz.
- This is hiring in a b-team coach called Pep Guardiola for Barcelona in 2008.
- This is Hoffenheim hiring a 28-year youth team coach in Germany, a move apparently so absurd, the local press called it a PR stunt. The guy who owns Hoffenheim, billionaire Dietmar Hopp, co-found SAP, one of the most successful software companies on the planet. They know a thing or two about staffing and what it takes to build a success machine. He’s been working in and around the club for a very long time and has taken them from nowhere to Champions League for the second season running.
- This is Madrid hiring their greatest ever player because they wanted to do a Pep G in 2016.
- Salzburg hired their youth team manager, Marco Rose, and he made the semi-finals of the Europa League. Redbull is a mega-organization dominating their chosen fields in sport, they know how to run and staff highly effective enterprises.
- Schalke hired a 31-year-old coach with a degree in business engineering and a master’s in innovation management and he made the Champions League in his first season, going from 10th to 2nd.
- Portugal has an esteemed history of taking chances on young innovators, with Porto winning big with Jose back in the day.
This move isn’t a madness. It’s positioning ourselves as a modern club and getting ahead of the curve.
Arteta will need to work on some internal PR at the club. He was at Arsenal when he was on the back nine of his career, his legs were clearly failing him and his body was going into freefall, I’m not surprised he wasn’t great to be around. But people grow, and he’ll have to make sure he’s good to folk around him if he wants to make this work. Bringing people together is so important in a rebuild, especially when morale is low.
Finally, just remember, no manager guarantees success. The key thing is matching the hire to the job in front of them. I think Arteta could be a perfect fit. The pay off could be unbelievable, and look, Arsenal has to take a risk if they want to beat out Manchester City. We need to try something different. We need to move into the future. Why not do it with a coach, who according to Matt Hughes, is a potential successor to Pep at Manchester City.
I think this could be an inspired move, and I think people are coming round to the potential of Arsenal doing something visionary with their next hire. You only have to look at the #WelcomeMikel tweets after Pep spoke out about his assistant. Even Ian Wright is onboard! Fans will get behind progress, and I think people are starting to see that this could be very exciting for thier Arsenal experience next season.
In conclusion, yes this a brave decision, it’s also the most logical. We’d be hiring a former Arsenal club captain who has an emotional attachment to the club, someone who has been mentored by the greatest coach alive and has been a massively integral part of a record-breaking Premier League winning team. We shouldn’t pass up this opportunity. We should embrace it and see where it takes us.
Right, that’s me done. See you in the comments.
“I am sure if he had gone to every club in the prem (including spurs) he would have been given the same ovation…. Even Sir Alex Ferguson leaving was not received with such warmth and appreciation at visiting grounds.”
Fergie announced his retirement at the end of the season, after he had won the league.
What’s up with you guys and revisionism?
Let’s see what happens when Arsenal lose or draw a game under Arteta, will the WOBS turn on Arteta, I think so and then we are back to square one and then we will have to hope that “The Wenger out crowd will save us from further humiliation” again.
hahahahaha, everyone on this blog saw the above situation. AKBs crying about their Lord and saviour…
‘Fergie announced his retirement at the end of the season, after he had won the league. What’s up with you guys and revisionism?’
Pierre’s been drinking heavily to drown the misery of losing Arsene. Cut the guy some slack.
Azed
I cant remember Wba fans giving Ferguson a minutes standing ovation on the last game of the season, can you…….
Lwhy is Ivan so hot for Arteta? Because Mikel used the fines levied on players for being naughy to buy him a nice watch a few years back? – This has been reported”
Yea I’m sure a Gazidis will put his neck on the chopping block over a Tag.
“No other club in the world is after Arteta’s new found knowledge”
I reckon the same can be said for Pep , Zidane and Naglesmann when they began their first stints as senior team managers. I don’t believe any other club was after them
Pierre, a few muppets on Twitter that are bitter because their savior failed shouldn’t matter.
If Arteta is shite, then he’ll be subject to firing like normal managers.
Hopefully he’ll be great and we’ll get behind the great football on the pitch.
RH, spot on. Such a flat argument.
Day 1 of Wenger gone and comments section has turned into a shit storm of fearing the unknown. William Goldman nailed Hollywood with this: Nobody knows anything. Not one person in the entire motion picture field knows for a certainty what’s going to work. Every time out it’s a guess and, if you’re lucky, an educated one. Managers are a bit like Hollywood execs in that regard. Arteta could turn into Tarantino pulling Resevoir Dogs out of the gate or into a sad foot note in the post Wenger era. He’s certainly not my first choice but as has been… Read more »
It will be interesting to see what Arteta wants to do in the transfer market. My worry is that he will be too idealistic, and not pragmatic enough. Will he think he can solve all our issues on the training ground? As a manager you have to accept that some players arent good enough. As Fergie used to say, a team should be changed fairly regularly to avoid complacency and keep moving forward. A coach often thinks its a failure when he has to sell a player. I want a manager that has no sentiment, no idealism, just wants the… Read more »
Pedro
It is obvious that Arteta will be subjected to the same abuse as Wenger from a section of the fans and if you think that won’t be the case… Then wait and see.
Pep like Zidane were lucky to start their careers at top clubs needing little tweaks
If not they would be another Marco Silva
Now every job Pep has gone into has been at top clubs in three different countries
“If Arteta is shite, then he’ll be subject to firing like normal managers.”
Good point, Pedro. We have become so accustomed to our manager keeping his post regardless of what happens at the club that we lose sight that things have changed.
Or to quote WB Yeats, “All changed. Changed, utterly.”
Pierre, I was about the only blogger calling out Wenger for years. I was a fucking pariah.
No way fans turn on Arteta if he’s progressing the club.
Franchise, Pep’s reboot was dramatic. Let’s not understate what he did. It wasn’t tweaks. It was bombing off players more interested in hooker parties than football.
Gambon, I hear he’s a ruthless character. He has a mixed rating behind the scenes… some really like him, some think he’s unpleasant and outspoken.
That’s his biggest battle, bringing people together.
“I cant remember Wba fans giving Ferguson a minutes standing ovation on the last game of the season, can you…….”
There were happing he was leaving. He was a winner, Wenger is not.
Do you think Wenger would have been applauded at Old Trafford if we were still rivals?
Arteta would get micro-analysed if appointed, transfers, preseason tactics, selections, subs etc..
There will be no lack of content for you pedders 😀
Pedro I’m not knocking him down just saying with the players he had available and the spending Barca could perform he had it quite easy.
Look how many managers have been successful with Messi since then
The Arsenal rebuild job is a bigger project in comparison if we are going to challenge for league again considering teams ahead of us
Pedro
They are already turning on Arteta before he’s even got the bloody job so what chance has he got.
It’s a tough dressing room for Arteta if he does get appointed.
Not an easy decision to tell your mates that they’ve not got a future at the club. Especially the Spanish contingent.
If he wants the job as much as is to be believed it says a lot about him I think. I’ve always been told Arteta was incredibly demanding of his teammates to the point some got bothered by him. Different kettle when he’s suddenly your manager and you can’t pull the “I’m better than you” card some might’ve used.
If Pep was leaving City, would they be hiring Arteta to replace him? Would they fuck.
If Poch leaves Spurs, will Arteta go there? Will he fuck.
Pep and Zidane both coached the Barca and Madrid B teams before making the step up. How many City reserves games has Arteta managed? None, so false equivalence.
Don’t understand why everybody writing vieira off. Few years ago the people at city were saying the same thing about him they say about arteta. And he has the experience.
Everyone would do well to remember that Wenger had already won Ligue 1 and been to a champs league semi before we hired him. He had plenty experience.
Arteta has never managed a game in his life.
Why not Arteta? Seriously?
Why not Sol Campbell? Why not Tony Adams?
We need a manager that has proven himself. This is all about Ivan Gazidiz. He has been impotent for all these years and now wants to be in control. Just the idea that we are getting a manager that can be controlled should make you all concerned.
Haven’t we had enough of “let’s see, he might be ok”. This has been the last 20 nobodys that we have got in the transfer market.
It’s going to take us even further down the slide we have been on.
Receding Hairline “It is what every supporter asks for. But apart from the experienced bit, why are you convinced Arteta does not have the rest of those requirements up his sleeve” I didn’t say I’m convinced Arteta doesn’t. I’m saying no one knows if he does. It’s not like he would be being promoted from within. The howls from the AKBs, if their hero has been dumped only to be replaced by someone untried and untested and then perhaps turns out to deliver even less than AW, will be deafening. The pressure on Arteta in season 2 would be massive… Read more »
“Arteta would get micro-analysed if appointed, transfers, preseason tactics, selections, subs etc..”
Not to mention the negative commentary he will get from the so called pundits based on nothing but envy ….I am sure he won’t be as shocking as Gary Neville was at Valencia yet he is the first to criticize us for not appointing someone the day before the season ends
Arteta and Nagelsmann top targets – SKY sauces
“Arsenal fans took 10 years to split with Wenger, they’re not going to be protesting a young manager unless we go backwards. Which we won’t.” Hire Arteta and arm him with a 50mil budget, we’ll be watching a mid-table team for the foreseeable future. You seem to think that an unknown like Arteta is just going to turn this team around with a motivational video and a free yoga lesson. It’s not happening! This team and club need a pivotal shift in mentality, a refocus and commitment to winning trophies. It needs major changes in playing staff, coaching personnel, training… Read more »
I like that Pierre focuses on rival fans rather than our own.
Every man,woman and child supporter of Man United probably cried when Fergie made the announcement, worried about the future of the club without their hero. That’s his legacy.
Meanwhile,over at Arsenal, what did Wenger leave? A fractured fanbase that increasingly started to turn against him, breathed a collective sign of relief after it was announced he’ll finally be gone and looking forward to the next chapter with excitement not felt in years.
Says it all.
In fairness, businesses shouldn’t be removing people from their key positions unless they have already got a plan in place for a suitable replacement.
I think every manager bar 1 (Gerardo Martino) since Rijkaard has either won the league or champions league or both since Messi played for Barcelona
They have had very good teams led by Messi
coaching is easy when you have a good squad.
This is why I think Arteta is a big risk
The job at hand is Massive
“In fairness, businesses shouldn’t be removing people from their key positions unless they have already got a plan in place for a suitable replacement.”
Agreed.
But i daresay we could not have done any worse than we did the past six months even without a manager . Wenger and the squad were simply mailing it in at some point.
Ah Pierre you little freak literally no one talking about Wenger or Wenger obsessive or any of that shite but you. Still taking his sacking hard? Grow up it’s over
jasongms
“…I find it unsurprising that the same people that were advocating for Wenger to stay are now championing for the appointment of Arteta.”
Of course they are. They don’t want any replacement to turn out better than Wenger. That would wreck their previous arguments for keeping him on. Their hope is that Arteta fails so they can point at the rest of us and say “told you so”.
Charlie: Arteta and Nagelsmann top targets – SKY sauces
Whoever bows their head the lowest to Ivan gets the job? Don’t mind Nagelsman he has at least got experience. But the reason they are being considered is not football reasons. It’s all about Ivan’s ego.
I think it goes a bit further than Gazidis just being impotent for many years. Ivans main reason for being brought in was to grow the club commercially. He has failed significantly at that. Now to be fair that was also Wengers fault. The declining team led to fan apathy, which now makes us very unattractive to sponsors. Commercially the club are struggling, theres no doubt at all. Maybe Gazidis is throwing himself into the playing side of things, to give himself an excuse for why we arent delivering commercially. The sad thing is football success follows investment, and Arsenal… Read more »
Allegri says he’s staying at Juventus unless they fire him….
Also this whole if Arteta doesn’t work out who cares we’ll just sack him shite we’re 14 years without a title challenge and two years without champions league football time isn’t on our side. Is it worth the risk? We’re already on a slide
“Now to be fair that was also Wengers fault.”
I think it’s time u moved on from Wenger. I have been reading your posts and the way you drop his name like he is some village idiot is frankly baffling.
You hate the man, we all know. Now move on with your life. He has moved on with his
Gambon: It doesnt matter which manager we appoint, if we dont become excellent and innovative financially, we will just be fighting to finish 3rd to 6th for the forseeable. I agree with this. But if Arsenal are even considering Arteta then the guys making this decision have no clue what they are doing. It’s not a club like Arsenal’s job to give opportunities to new managers. Every manager has to go through a learning process. Arteta’s next step after at least one more season under Pep is to go and overachieve at a smaller club in a big league. Preferably… Read more »
Nagelsmann over Arteta for me. Done well at Hoffenheim and is at least an actual manager you know
I’m not sure about Buvac as number two, not doubting his qualities at all but why would he move?He’s been with Klopp 17 years, what would make him jump ship for a rookie. Money can’t be that big a motivator, more influence?
How would you feel if Buvac was manager with Arteta as number two
“Why did two of the best young managers in europe want him)Arteta) on their team once he retired?” Not being disrespectful but they wanted Arteta to play second fiddle. The question that needs to be asked is : Why is no other team in the Premier league or any of the other leagues in Europe even bothering with wanting Arteta, yet an elite club like Arsenal is prepared to take a chance on him? Sorry Pedro, I’ve always been Wenger Out and Arteta Not In. I did not hope for Wenger to leave so that Arteta could be in. Don’t… Read more »
qna I agree. Its nonsensical to bring in someone that has never managed a game. He will undoubtedly make mistakes while learning, and we will pay for those mistakes with points on certain occasions. Like I say marginal losses. Sure, he may have helped Raheem Sterling with his decision making……but what will he do when we are losing a big game 1-0 at halftime? What will he do when we have 5 tough games in 13 days over christmas? What will he do when he has an under performing player on £200k per week and he needs to choose between… Read more »
Pierre, having a view on a manager isn’t turning on him. It’s just expressing you’d prefer someone else.
CC, I can’t tell you how dull blogging has been these last 3 years… I cannot wait to not know what’s coming next.
Both Pep and Zidane coached B team before being allowed to manage A team but apparently Arsenal know better and will just hire coach who is fourth or fifth in hierarchy and has no managerial experience at all.
Seriously, I believe Arteta rumours are nonsense just to generate clicks for sports websites or Gazidis is a numpty if gossip is accurate.
‘Hire Arteta and arm him with a 50mil budget, we’ll be watching a mid-table team for the foreseeable future. ‘
That’s the model we’ve been watching slowly regress in recent seasons,Perhaps a younger guy with modern ideas may get more out of the System that Stan has been operating.
AH
Fair enough, re net profit. You know that I hold the owner responsible as much as our former manager for this malaise but I really don’t think it is a lack of money now, it’s a lack of ambition and direction.
I just don’t think, impo an appointment of a rookie head manager (in Arteta if it happens) sends the necessary signal to the football world that we are back in the hunt for the biggest and most sought after trophies.
I’d probably go with someone more established – Benitez or Ancelotti – over Arteta, but will be excited if we appoint the latter. a bold, imaginative choice.
Gambon. Agree. It’s nothing personal. I would happily have Arteta if he proves himself somewhere first. Being an assistant under Pep is not even comparable. How is Arteta going to man manage Ozil or Lacazette when he goes through his next goal drought. Do the powers at Arsenal think so lowly of this club that we sign a manager without a single day of experience as a boss.
Something concerning is that if Arteta is all that why are absolutely no clubs seemingly interested in him for the manager role?
There are plenty of managerial vacancies around Europe and we’re so far only aware of a single club seriously chasing Arteta
Either we’re way ahead of the game or he’s really not that attractive an option
*imo
I won’t complain if we sign a big name manager. But I see Arsenal now as a club like Monaco or Athletico or Dortmund. We need an astute manager who is proven with young up and coming talent. I think we now have good people that can identify and sign the right young players (finally). But then we need a manager that has proven himself in taking this type of player and having success. Jardim and Emery are two names that stand out. I know Emery didn’t get the best out of that PSG side. But he won’t have that… Read more »
“Something concerning is that if Arteta is all that why are absolutely no clubs seemingly interested in him for the manager role?”
Why must Arsenal do what other clubs are doing?
Would you want Naglesmann if Hoffenheim didn’t give him a chance?? And if they didn’t where would he be now?
Would Zidane be a two time champions league winning manager if Madrid decided that since no other club wanted him they would not want him too?
Would they be a Pep Guardiola now if Barcelona hadn’t rolled the dice on him??
Receding Hairline. We are picking a manager for the worlds 8th wealthiest club. Of course our choice of manager should be desired by other clubs. It’s a pretty fucking big hint if no other club would want him. That is just common sense.
Wallace “I’d probably go with someone more established – Benitez or Ancelotti – over Arteta, but will be excited if we appoint the latter. a bold, imaginative choice” I’m sure many Germans were excited by Hitler invading Russia, another bold, imaginative choice. We all know how that ended up. I’ve nothing against Arteta. I just don’t feel the time is right for him because he has so little coaching under his belt, and I think the club needs someone more experienced to transition away from the Wenger era. We need someone who won’t just talk about a winning mentality, but… Read more »
Nobody said we have to do what other clubs are doing. But this is a gamble. We gambled on buying Anelka and it paid off. We also gambled on Sanogo and he was shit. If you had the chance to sign auba at 29 from Dortmund or some unknown kid who hasn’t even played a first team match yet but his manager said he’s gonna be a world beater, who would you choose? Maybe this kid is the next Messi. But more often than not, young potential and talent materialize into nothing special. Which is why for every Messi out… Read more »
gonsterus, Think your getting the wrong of the stick. I would’ve preferred someone else but if he works out great if not he gets sacked…..man I’m just enjoying the fact Arsenal has modernized, long term the future is looking better even without a manager. I’m sick of being bitter about Arsenal, I’m sick of hoping we lose just glad to be back.
Receding Hairline: Would they be a Pep Guardiola now if Barcelona hadn’t rolled the dice on him?? It was a gamble for Barca. But it’s very different. Barca have a world class football development program, including for developing coaches. Pep had great success as head manager of the B team. He brought through many of the stars of the team he ended up managing. Those players loved him and their feedback influenced the decision to appoint him. Barca developed Pep as a manager, made him prove himself and were asked by their new young stars to consider him for the… Read more »
Anyway as much as you love or hate Pedro’s post it has created debate and for that Pete I applaud you
China, funny you mention the Barca B team, Per is now the youth academy what what I reckon he is seen by the board as a future manager.
If we go for Arteta,is he really going to finish any lower than where we are currently finishing.
If Bould and Jens stay,works with the defence,use the money available to strengthen the defence and midfield,we have enough going forward to be competitive,not challengers.
Under this owner league titles are a distant dream.
Also, the commercial success of a club is so heavily centred around the success of the team that making a judgement call on hiring a novice manager is just bizarre and or lazy. We aren’t coming off the back of a successful couple of years where we can just throw caution to the wind and say “fuck it, let’s fuck things up” We have been treading water, losing ground commercially in both Asia and North America and where hiring a novice manager could put the club back 5 years at least. We need to be getting this appointment right from… Read more »
Sky reporting it’s between Arteta and Nagelsmann- if that’s the case it has to be the latter for obvious reasons – he’s always been my second choice after allegri – I hope we can get it done , heard he’s got a difficult contract to get out of at Hoffenheim though
Im with Gambon on this… why would the club not take a “chance” on Henry, or PV4? they are legends, and have more championships than Arteta. They have more coaching experience. Im turned off by the only argument for Arteta is that he cried his last day of the club, and has worked with Pep as a third string coach. Both of those fail in my eyes. This is a critical time for the club. Selling seats, and making the team a competitive entity is critical. we have been a in a free fall for years… poorly managed. IF and… Read more »
“Receding Hairline. We are picking a manager for the worlds 8th wealthiest club. Of course our choice of manager should be desired by other clubs. It’s a pretty fucking big hint if no other club would want him. That is just common sense.” I get your point. And i agree with it. In fact i am pleased you mentioned Unai Emery, cos some of the ridicule and stuff said about him here a few days back was plain disrespectful. I for one i has decided to see some of the positives that may come with an Arteta appointment. Sure it… Read more »
German and English league’s are over so if it’s Nagelsmann or Arteta expect an announcement fairly immediately if it’s another week then they’re trying for Allegri
Arteta or Nagelsman
Pedro convinced me on Arteta. A risky signing but all signings are risky. Maybe there’s more to Arteta that we dont just know about, but those in the background at Arsenal and Man City do. Signing players might be difficult but that would be the case under Nageslman as well.
The thing about Nagelsman, or Allegri, is that they would probably be off in a few years. Maybe Arsenal wants stability and Arteta would stay for years. Who knows?
Marko
Nagelsmann over Arteta for me. Done well at Hoffenheim and is at least an actual manager you know”
Nagelsmann hasn’t inhaled the flattus of Guardiola and he didn’t buy an expensive watch for Gazidis from the monies accrued from player’s fines.
Transfer window opens Thursday until August 9th
“Nagelsmann hasn’t inhaled the flattus of Guardiola and he didn’t buy an expensive watch for Gazidis from the monies accrued from player’s fines.”
Unnecessarily crude statement that can’t be taken seriously . And this watch story is getting boring between
Spend the whole summer fake looking for a new manager and then say we don’t have time to bring in any new players.
Tuchel on a two year contract at PSG
Playing it safe are PSG
I think if you’re going with a 30yr old he has to have some experience of the PL. would consider Nagelsmann far more of a gamble than Arteta.
“How would you feel if Buvac was manager with Arteta as number two“
Be a bit miffed as to how it’s taken him 17 years to feel capable of the hot seat. Plus the stuff about him being shit with media, and a fairly wank speaker in general.
Arsenal need a manager how won’t spend any money and is happy to mess around with youth.
Nagelsmann has no track record at a big club, playing or coaching. I really don’t see him being a shiny option opposed to Arteta. He might’ve done well to get a small side punching, but Arsenal is a different animal. Maybe he’s got the personality and there’s no reason for concern, but maybe not. Also, the football they play is direct and not what I’d call sexy attacking stuff. More peak Leicester City with quick counters and good long passes. I think there’s a great deal of value in someone who knows England, English football, and Arsenal. It’s these reasons… Read more »
Actually that wasn’t me who mentioned the Barca B team but anyway Pep was obviously a great choice by Barca but if we’re being honest with ourselves, they had assembled one of the finest squads in living memory. Before and after pep Barca have wrecked the CL and La Liga. Some of their post pep managers have been somewhat uninspiring and still achieved incredible things with that team and that also translated into success on the international stage. So whilst pep did do a fantastic job and was absolutely the right choice, Barca at that time were an unbelievable setup… Read more »
Receding: I for one i has decided to see some of the positives that may come with an Arteta appointment. Sure it can’t be all negative can it? My powerball ticket isn’t all negative at the moment. Ask me on Friday though. Charlie: Nagelsmann has no track record at a big club, playing or coaching. I really don’t see him being a shiny option opposed to Arteta. Doesn’t have to be a big club. But should overachieve in a big league. Check. From wiki: When Nagelsmann took over the club in February 2016, Hoffenheim were 17th in the table, 7… Read more »
Read anyone’s reasons for why Arteta would work…and try to work out why they aren’t also backing Thierry Henry.
Baffling isn’t it.
It’s just this constant need to be contrarian.
Probably the same types that rave about unknown bands then very publicly say they have become “too commercial” once all their friends know them.
Haha
Nagelsmann with his 94 games of experience managing a team, and experience of getting CL football…..is more of a gamble than Arteta who puts cones out for Pep.
Like I say…..need to be contrarian wenger-hipsters.
Qna
Disagree entirely. Do you think the remit is the same at Hoffenheim that it is at Bayern? Handling pressure, dealing with scrutiny, managing expectation is a massive part of it. That goes for players and managers.
Gambon
What part are you struggling with re:Henry? He had the offer to be an Arsenal coach and binned it to be a SKY pundit.
How is that comparable to Arteta who sought his best coaching opportunity? Even Vieira has more credibility than Henry despite doing Sunday league between MSG visits.
gambon
“Read anyone’s reasons for why Arteta would work…and try to work out why they aren’t also backing Thierry Henry.Baffling isn’t it.”
Henry used to ring up journalists who criticised his performances as a player. you can’t be that thin-skinned as the coach of a big side.
Gambon, you think City are succession planning with Arteta in mind because he puts out cones really well?
“Probably the same types that rave about unknown bands then very publicly say they have become “too commercial” once all their friends know them.”
Nobody does this anymore, old man. You’re thinking of an early 2000s-2010s crowd.
Arteta =/= Henry. One is the AM of Man City, a club in the same league as us who just won the league with 100 points, behind Guardiola. The other is the second AM of Belgium, a national team, led by Roberto Martinez.
Charlie
What does coaching experience matter….you said managerial experience wasn’t important so why should coaching be?
You’re confused about your own argument.
Henry was a much higher level player, far more achievements, actually knows what a CL quarter final looks like….knows what it takes to win the PL.
Henry is far more qualified than Arteta, according to your criteria.
Neither are qualified according to mine.
Ozy
He’s not an AM…he’s a low level coach.
He puts cones out and cuts oranges into quarters.
Charlie: Qna Disagree entirely. Do you think the remit is the same at Hoffenheim that it is at Bayern? Handling pressure, dealing with scrutiny, managing expectation is a massive part of it. That goes for players and managers. How does Arteta remotely tick off any of these boxes? What remote amount of pressure has Arteta been under this season. Nobody gives a shit about his existence even. He is riding on the coat tales of the worlds highest regarded manager. Would you give him this much respect if he had been Arsene’s assistant this season? He would have made no… Read more »
“Gambon, you think City are succession planning with Arteta in mind because he puts out cones really well?”
Pedro do you think just because you make random shit up that it becomes true. No way in hell that Arteta is in line for the top job at City. What did they run out of money or something.
That was a good read ,, i dont know who elon is or how advertising companies have anything at all to do with football,,nothing against arteta but pep is city manager not mikel,,cant understand your desire for a guy who has never managed before to be our new coach,,wasnt steve mcclaren assistant at Utd in 99 ? Why not hire him?,,we need somebody better than Arteta
Lol
Arteta is one of about 10 coaches but let’s pretend he is part of City’s succession plan.
The other day Vieira was the succession plan.
Arteta appointment will end in tears. It’s absolutely foolish and downright offensive to suggest that someone who’s NEVER managed professional football team would be good enough to replace Wenger. The board and everyone supporting this insane notion should be ashamed of themselves. Eddie Howe all of sudden looks like a World Cup winner to me.
Why are we not talking to McLaren, Queiroz and Meluensteen?
If being a coach underneath a top manager is all it takes then we have hundreds of options.
Maybe we should get Dr Eva Carneiro in…..she has the same amount of experience.
Gambon No you’re very confused here, and far too busy talking from your walnut to pay attention to what’s being said. Arteta’s lack of managerial experience IS a concern. However it’s mitigated in some respect given he’s played/performed under pressure at huge clubs around the world (same argument for Henry, or whomever has no managerial experience). Where you played, and who you rubbed shoulders with, isn’t the primary point of argument. So dick measuring anyone with a good football CV is gash commentary from you in Henry/Vieiras case. It’s not being suggested THAT’S why Arteta is fit. Primarily it appears… Read more »
“He puts cones out and cuts oranges into quarters.”
That was pretty funny, tbh.
Hypothetical arguments debating for and against the appointment of Arteta are strong. Having trawled through most comments in the passenger seat for over 200 miles, I think I’d have to side with the notion to recruit an Allegri or Jardim (or at least a manager with the CV, required) Arteta’s willingness to learn and perform isn’t the issue here, it’s more the arguments presented by Gambon and Dissenter, in particular, that we must be mindful of. As I said before, Wenger singlehandly created an apathetic environment when simply turning up to games was the bench mark. I find it hard… Read more »
“He would have made no difference to Wenger’s season and he made no difference to Pep’s.“
Ok mate, you live where you live and I’ll do me. Pep said otherwise, but you’re obviously privy to finer details whilst I’m here dealing with the scraps.
You’re operating in the ‘speaking opinions as fact’ zone, and I’d rather leave you there because that stuff’s tedious at best.