It’s over.
Arsene is OUT.
A new future awaits.
We know very little about what’s actually going on with the status of the managerial interview process at the moment, but what we know for sure is now the season is finished, the club can talk to Bundesliga candidates and people from the Premier League. Next week, we’ll be able to meet with Serie A prospects.
I’ve been weighing up the next coach for years, plotting out who could be the best candidate for Arsenal, and now the options are starting to narrow, it’s clear the front runners are Vieira, Nagelsmann, Arteta and Allegri.
I think the Juventus maestro is looking less and less likely by the day. Someone on his team leaked a story to The Sun that he’d look for a £200m transfer kitty to come to the club. Firstly, that’s never going to happen, secondly, what does that tell you about the way he operates? Things could go very Conte, very quickly. By that I mean back channelling complaints in the media, throwing games to make a point the squad is shite, and letting emotions get in the way of doing the best job possible.
Sources close to Allegri, who first revealed his interest in our exclusive TWO MONTHS ago, claim his ambitions have to be matched.
He will accept the job if Arsenal can take him to the levels he is used to at Juve, which include competing in the Champions League.
Allegri won’t be working in a perfect environment, and it’s telling that his team are already making demands about the environment. We are not going to be operating like Juventus immediately, if that’s his expectation, he’ll be disappointed. It also reads like he’s looking to turbocharge the rebuild to suit his rush to win a Champions League. Though that would be lovely, we have to be real, Arsenal won’t be on that path for a while. We’re not going to give him Galactico budgets, we’ll have to make an impact using a different strategy.
I do wonder how Allegri would cope being at a club that doesn’t have the funds to compete with City, United or Chelsea. When you’re one of the best, with just the Champions League evading you, how are you going to feel about working with tier two funds? Fine if you’re Klopp, he likes being the underdog and relishes the challenge. Allegri is at the Manchester City of Italy. Arsenal will never be that.
The leak could also be a white flag from his team, making their reasons as to why he’s not heading over very clear. Either way, it’s not a good sign. For all Wenger’s faults, he never really complained in the press about the board or his lot in life, he ploughed on through the dark years. That’s the Arsenal way, that’s one of the values you want from your new hire, loyalty to the cause however tough it is.
Also, though his football is tactically exciting, as Paul Merson mentioned, it takes us back to the George Graham era of football. Catching teams on the break with incisive counter-attacking football. I could live with it, but it’d be a sharp deviation from what we love. I appreciate there’s a lot of excitement about having a manager who can defend properly, but we don’t have to destroy our style in the process. Look at how United fans are dealing with Mourinho football. Who wants 2nd place that way? Also worth noting Allegri is taking English lessons. Small detail, but building out Arsenal and a new life whilst getting to grips with a new language is tough.
Nagelsmann is the hottest young coaching option in the game, what he’s done at Hoffenheim is next level. I don’t think his club is going to let him go, he’s tied into a strict contract that would require a big fee to release him. Also, he’s apparently planning on settling down with his lady, and it sounds like Munich is the dream. He’s 31, if he does well at Arsenal, there’s a cap on his tenure, a bit like signing a young Barca player. He’ll always pine for Bayern.
Patrick Vieira being on the list is an odd one. He’s not set the world alight in the US and he’s been working with average players. The fans obviously love him, but I’m not sure that’s enough to land the job.
That’s why I’m throwing my vote behind Arteta.
He’s a very interesting prospect if you have the stomach for strategic risk. He’s not been the head coach at a club yet. But that shouldn’t scare people off, because there are so many interesting facets around his star that make this potential move feel very exciting.
I’ll start with the easy one. Leadership is in his blood. He’s been the captain of two Premier League clubs, Everton, then Arsenal at a time where he needed to help stabilise us post-Cesc. I’m really not worried about him being overawed by the head coach role, some people just naturally gravitate towards responsibility and can lead. He’s clearly one of those people.
He’s also been in on the ground floor at Manchester City, actively contributing to the creation of one of the best Premier League sides of all time.
Guardiola is desperate to keep hold of Arteta, who he considers pivotal to his backroom staff at City.
The Catalan immediately approached Arteta when agreeing to take over at the Etihad – valuing his knowledge of English football.
They hit 100 points yesterday. That is insane. Arteta has been there from the start, he’s witnessed how you coach new ideas into players, he’s helped improve people like Sterling, he’s in the day to day. He has helped create history. He worked through the very average first season with Pep and helped fix it in the most spectacular way.
Why would Arsenal not want to hire in someone with the hottest intellectual property in world football?
In business, a tried and true strategy for smart hiring is pinching the young people in and around great successes at other companies. If you make a great advert that wins a bunch of awards, that team is decimated the next year as rival agencies pick off the people who they ‘hoped’ worked on it so they can infuse that magic in their client accounts.
Tesla has been bleeding engineers and senior managers to Apple’s car division. Why are they raiding them? Because those people have been part of something special from the ground up. Does anyone say that’s a bad strategy because Elon is such a dominant force in the media? No, because in business, it’s more clearly understood that the person taking all the credit always has an incredible body of thinkers/doers underneath them making the work happen. We tend to think of football differently to business, despite clubs increasingly moving to structures that closely resemble traditional corporations. A collection of specialists reporting into a CEO (the head coach).
It’s also worth remembering that Pep G and Pochettino both fought it out for Arteta’s signature before he’d even hung up his boots. That’s two of the best coaches on the planet. A pretty strong endorsement of what people think of him. This is the Spurs manager.
“I love him and he loves me,”
“You know our history from Paris St Germain, when he was 17 and I was the captain.”
Arteta said no to his mate Poch because he wanted a way back to Arsenal.
An even bigger endorsement came from Pep Guardiola after the City game yesterday.
‘Mikel’s contribution was outstanding, amazing, and we have been so good together,’
‘So, if he stays I will be happiest guy in the world. If he decides to move because he has this option I will not say: “You don’t have to go”.
‘I want the best for my friends and he is a friend. If he decides to go I will be sad but I will understand his decision.
‘Because it is his career, his life and family and I am not the right guy to say you don’t have to do that.
‘But hopefully he can stay and finish what we have together in the coming years.’
Pep could have easily said he doesn’t comment on speculation. He could have said he wasn’t ready. He could have said no. Telling that he didn’t.
Back to Arteta, the guy cried on his last game with us. He loves the club, he’ll know there are doubts about his ability to transition, and he’ll go through brick walls to make it work. I love his ruthless ambition to make it big. Mourinho like moves on a major job.
The most important thing he can do for me is bring sexy football back to The Emirates. I want to see innovative thinking. I want to see a continuation of the Wenger legacy in a more modern and disciplined setup. Where better to find that than from under the wing of Pep Guardiola?
There’s also the brass tacks of this sort of move. The club is having a clear out of the coaching staff. Colbert, Boro, Banfield, Peyton, Bibbo and maybe even Bould might be off. I have no doubt the club will want to control the coaching hires, and I expect they’ll be making offers as we speak. You need a manager who is comfortable with the club decentralizing power and control. Allegri is unlikely to tolerate that if he’s putting his reputation on the line. Even the relative novice Thomas Tuchel was fired because he couldn’t deal with the power structure at Dortmund.
In Arteta, we’re hiring a coach. The club doesn’t need someone to manage transfers, contracts, and every single department of the club. We need to hire someone who knows how to train players, keep them motivated and ultimately improve them. We need a person who can work with different departments, synthesize data, and make bold and imaginative decisions. We need someone to coach the kids, recalibrate the senior players, and help support smart additions to a squad that needs surgery.
This is not us signing Steve Mcclaren or Carles Queiroz.
- This is hiring in a b-team coach called Pep Guardiola for Barcelona in 2008.
- This is Hoffenheim hiring a 28-year youth team coach in Germany, a move apparently so absurd, the local press called it a PR stunt. The guy who owns Hoffenheim, billionaire Dietmar Hopp, co-found SAP, one of the most successful software companies on the planet. They know a thing or two about staffing and what it takes to build a success machine. He’s been working in and around the club for a very long time and has taken them from nowhere to Champions League for the second season running.
- This is Madrid hiring their greatest ever player because they wanted to do a Pep G in 2016.
- Salzburg hired their youth team manager, Marco Rose, and he made the semi-finals of the Europa League. Redbull is a mega-organization dominating their chosen fields in sport, they know how to run and staff highly effective enterprises.
- Schalke hired a 31-year-old coach with a degree in business engineering and a master’s in innovation management and he made the Champions League in his first season, going from 10th to 2nd.
- Portugal has an esteemed history of taking chances on young innovators, with Porto winning big with Jose back in the day.
This move isn’t a madness. It’s positioning ourselves as a modern club and getting ahead of the curve.
Arteta will need to work on some internal PR at the club. He was at Arsenal when he was on the back nine of his career, his legs were clearly failing him and his body was going into freefall, I’m not surprised he wasn’t great to be around. But people grow, and he’ll have to make sure he’s good to folk around him if he wants to make this work. Bringing people together is so important in a rebuild, especially when morale is low.
Finally, just remember, no manager guarantees success. The key thing is matching the hire to the job in front of them. I think Arteta could be a perfect fit. The pay off could be unbelievable, and look, Arsenal has to take a risk if they want to beat out Manchester City. We need to try something different. We need to move into the future. Why not do it with a coach, who according to Matt Hughes, is a potential successor to Pep at Manchester City.
I think this could be an inspired move, and I think people are coming round to the potential of Arsenal doing something visionary with their next hire. You only have to look at the #WelcomeMikel tweets after Pep spoke out about his assistant. Even Ian Wright is onboard! Fans will get behind progress, and I think people are starting to see that this could be very exciting for thier Arsenal experience next season.
In conclusion, yes this a brave decision, it’s also the most logical. We’d be hiring a former Arsenal club captain who has an emotional attachment to the club, someone who has been mentored by the greatest coach alive and has been a massively integral part of a record-breaking Premier League winning team. We shouldn’t pass up this opportunity. We should embrace it and see where it takes us.
Right, that’s me done. See you in the comments.
what’s up with Guns being so reasonable?
Arsene has left the buiklding but in reality his inferiority complex will take a long time to root out. Why are some people settling on Arteta as a good thing? Is it just because that’s what the club has decided and well, they must know what they are doing? I will support the club, but just because the clun decides something it doesn’t automatically make it the right thing for the club. Where is the ambition? If Arteta gets the job, and it gores badly, you can hear the excuses now.”Well, it was his first season, I’m sure this coming… Read more »
Stroller There is objective evidence that Nagelsmann’s vision of how to play the game, how to train players, and how to manage a group of individuals can be successfully applied in reality. He has actually taken over a failing team in the relegation spots, immediately turned them around, and then taken them on to a 4th place and then 3rd place finish. It’s a limited amount of experience, and he may not have the same breadth of contacts as someone who has played at numerous clubs for 10+ years, but unlike Arteta, it’s actual evidence that his approach can bear… Read more »
I’m willing to give Arteta a chance. He likely has a great football brain. Too many highly regarded people in football believe it. My concern is the “human aspect” as Wenger has been talking about, or the “social skills” that Pedro himself wrote about a few weeks back. Fergie had assistants that were innovators and kept him fresh. But they lacked that intangible something that made him great. Roy Keane said in an interview that he always knew the right words and tone for every occasion. I guess none of his assistants did, the way it’s turned out for him.… Read more »
RR
Not true. Arguably the most significant scientific breakthrough is a theory…of relativity. It hasn’t been proved, hence it’s still a ‘theory’.
It’s jusy that no one has come up with something better.
‘What exactly guarantees success under say, Allegri that you can’t see for someone like Arteta?’
The same one a patient gets out of an experienced, expert heart surgeon as opposed to an intern.
*building
*goes
It appears as though some readers here have convinced we’re getting Pep for the price of Arteta.
What do the kids say? Lol?
RR
It’s not heart surgery. It’s fucking football. Played by morons and watched in the most part by imbeciles.
convinced themselves*
“Has anyone else noticed that the old AKBs are all falling into line behind Arteta pretty quickly.”
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Makes sense though. He’s essentially an extension of Wenger. The closest they’ll get to keeping Wenger. Also makes sense from the boards perspective. They want to keep this country club charity atmosphere going and Arteta is the least likely candidate to disrupt that.
I’ve read it from the Arteta camp that his biggest achievement as working with Raheem Sterling with his compusure in front of goal. Now that got me really laughing. He’s the lowest of all the assistants that Guardiola has bit reading this blog you would think he’s the de facto number two. Assistant managers only get a fraction of the responsibility assigned to them, they execute it and then have meetings with the manager and the rest of the coaching team. Essentially, Arteta has been doing small segments of a managers/head coaches job.p for two years. He wouldn’t have covered… Read more »
For the record Gazidis announced that the new appointment does not have the
brief which was on offer to Wenger.
His responsibility is as Head Coach of first team at Arsenal. For the record that
is the title of Guardiola at Man City.
We are NOT APPOINTING a traditional Manager something incidentally most
posters on Le Grove complained about for years.
“Champagne, there’s a huge difference between theoretical learning and practical experience though. Not everyone who have a shit ton of knowledge can find a successful way of translating it to other“ Mate I totally agree with that, but he’s being considered and you’d be daft to dismiss these elements. Some things have to be assumed here because nobody on here is privy to all the info. I do think however almost all the trepidation is coming from lack of experience, and whilst I get that, maybe Arsenal are looking at it from the point of view that it’s a worthwhile… Read more »
“What exactly guarantees success under say, Allegri that you can’t see for someone like Arteta?” Nothing is written in stone, however, it is essentially the same thing as investing in a blue-chip stock and something more akin to penny stocks. One gives the assurance of being tried and tested against market forces, the other is well a fucking gamble. I’ll leave to you to decide which is the more appropriate investment under our current dire state of affairs. I’ll also add that if we get this next appointment wrong then the Arsenal we recognise today, could well end up looking… Read more »
With the attitude on Le Grove I’m surprised we aren’t still cave dwelling troglodytes. Sheesh.
Arteta could be brilliant. He could be crap. Same as Allegri.
Fernando Torres. A great at Athetico and Liverpool…looked like a Sunday clogger at Chelsea. How did that happen? Surely he was a guaranteed success, no.
The same applies to a manager.
Win some, lose some. So what.
Hiring Arteta I fear has nothing to do with his footballing pedigree and everything to do with Gazidas flexing his muscles and demonstrating that he is now the power behind the throne.
Ohh, goodness, I just had a thought.
What if it’s just a plot by WEnger to to hire a complete newbie to have him fail so that he can ride back into town as the conquering hero?
Please no!
Bamford “Arteta has a uniquely broad and varied range of footballing experience.” But it’s all about application. As others have pointed out, why not any of the far more successful players than Arteta who played for multiple top teams and in international tournaments? Look at the likes of Seedorf; universally recognised as an urbane, intelligent ex-player with a great understanding of the game, and he immediately flopped at Milan, and then elsewhere. Inzaghi, Montella etc etc. Why take that risk when we’re in a serious rebuilding situation, we have a big salary to offer a manager, and there are candidates… Read more »
If the appointment of Arteta means the fans of arsenal go away…I say get him in quick smart.
I think he could be brilliant. Exciting times.
“The doubts and concerns over Arteta are legitimate and well voiced. The arguments against him are sound as well. Every manager comes with a risk, dealing with both knowns and unknowns and unknown unknowns.Romford” Agreed The problem width Arteta is the risk factor is extremely high to the point of being reckless. He’s like a tabular rasa, he’s a blank slate that proponents can build up but there’s no resilience in management for him because when adversity comes he has built up zero reserves in management to handle it. That’s what happens to young managers, once the bottom falls out… Read more »
One of your poorer posts in a very long while Pedro.
The Artem’s love in is laughable:
Why are we the club where he needs to cut his teeth learning to buy players, make subs, manage egos, pressure etc.
We need experience and a winning mentality, not this faffing around nonsense as “babies first manager”
“Artata could be great, or he could be a disaster, but get behind the man!”
– All AKBs.
“The same one a patient gets out of an experienced, expert heart surgeon as opposed to an intern.“ The best surgeon in the world had a first Op mate. I know that’s a romantic notion, but it’s very true also. I’m not calling Arteta the next Pep, just stating that IF there’s a belief he possesses a level of greatness in this field then I totally get why they’re considering it despite him being so green. 17 year old Messi was still Messi. Grandiose comparisons of course, but that’s only being done to demonstrate the potential thinking at hand here.… Read more »
Arteta*
Emirates Stroller and CC?
Would you guys have Ryan Giggs as manager?
He’s the EPL’s most decorated player, played under Fergie, one of the greatest managers out there. He must have picked up something?
‘Arteta has been coaching last 2 years under Guardiola who has won trophies
at Barcelona, Bayern Munich and now at Man City. I think that being a coach
there is a significantly better cv than what the other two have got.’
I see…
So Arteta and Brian Kidd have a better CV than Pochettino.
Rui Faria has a better CV than Arsene Wenger.
“Artata could be great, or he could be a disaster, but get behind the man!”
The real question should be “Is Arteta the best candidate out there in the marketplace for Arsenal? Is the man to unite the club, excite the fans and excite future targets and sponsors? If so, on what basis?”
Arteta has absolutely no managerial track record to speak of.
Emirates You keep,,asking this bogus head coach vs manager distinction to buttress Arteta. What Gazidis is describing is earns from the point you’re making. The new manager or head coach is responsible for preparing the team for games. He won’t be setting wages or doing transfers. That’s the distinction. The head coaches role is still one that Arteta has zero experience of. An asiistant manger only has remit for what the head coach assigns to him in training can range from working with the midIeld on repossession drills or practicing dead ball defense with the team. It’s always a fraction… Read more »
If Arteta is so shit hot, why are no other clubs after him? Chelsea should be all over him when Conte loses the final. He’s absorbed all of Pep’s knowledge within 2 years, so say AKBs. If he’s a genius, why would he come to Arsenal? Chelsea a much easier gig in the short term, because he’ll have access to more funds there than with us. If he doesn’t need a 200m war chest, even more clubs should be after him. No one is, though. We must know something the rest of the world doesn’t, like when we waited two… Read more »
Wallace
Come on now, defending Arteta appointment is reasonable now? It’s one think to say let’s see how this plays out but to say inhibitions about him are unreasonable is rather silly.
I’ll make an early prediction, we hire Arteta and he is fired within 2 seasons. More or less the Rioch effect.
I’m afraid Arteta is mostly the cheaper choice…
Same old Arsenal.
The board will find a way to keep the fan base divided even without wenger lol
The real question should be “Is Arteta the best candidate out there in the marketplace for Arsenal? Is the man to unite the club, excite the fans and excite future targets and sponsors? If so, on what basis?”
And the real answer is “no.”
Charlie, you don’t think Pep learnt the job in his first stint? Probably made stumbles and learnt from the experience.
Stepping curves are important.
CC
When your life is on the line, would you go to the heart surgeon who’s had the experience of ONE or the one who’s done 500 of the same procedure?
Would you like to be the first patient for the unsupervised procedure?
As I said before, I cannot see our rivals appointing a novice manager if they were in the same position as us.
Why do we as a club, always act on this compulsion to be different for the sake of it… even when it makes absolutely no sense?
“The best surgeon in the world had a first Op mate.”
You don’t jump from medical school to doing life threatening surgeries. You start simple first.
There’s no correlation that being a player makes you a good manager. Fergie, Wenger, Mourinho practically had little to no footballing careers.
Azed You’re taking one aspect and making a bs argument from it. Nobody is saying Arteta is golden because he’s had a good football career, it’s being argued it’s likely Arsenal see his lack of experience as manager as something his playing career can dilute. He’s been at the top level, he’s represented massive clubs, he’s done press, worked with elite players, captained Arsenal. The very first thing here is that Arteta clearly has the coaching skill set combined with the intellect and desire to achieve with it. That’s criterion number one. So make lame comparisons with Giggs etc because… Read more »
We are trying to go against Pep and Mourinho who have won it all and have teams with unlimited budgets with a rookie?
We are literally trying to race Schumacher with a McLaren with a rookie driver in a Passat because the rookie spent two years beside Schumacher?
Seriously?
And for those who think that Arteta could be easily fired after 2 or 3 seasons if he fails, let’s not forget that he’s still very young for the job.
Just saying…
“I cannot see our rivals appointing a novice manager if they were in the same position as us.”
Probably because we are no longer a threat to them.
“Charlie, you don’t think Pep learnt the job in his first stint? Probably made stumbles and learnt from the experience.“ I absolutely do. But weigh that up against Allegri, he’s never managed in England, doesn’t know the game here, completely foreign to Arsenal. Arteta would learn some things on the job, but he also comes with some transitional assurances and competencies. There’s considerations both ends, Allegri isn’t a stonewaller as some foolishly assert. Let’s not forget Allegri is my pick of two years… Dissenter With respect, this isn’t life and death. And a world class surgeon is known in his/her… Read more »
Arteta is working in an idealised bubble. Hes not responsible if they lose. He will be at Arsenal. Hes shielded and benefits from Peps greatness. He wont have that at Arsenal. City have huge quality players quality has the ability to improve so makes his job easier. Arsenal dont have anywhere near that quality so it will be more difficult. City have.money so can buy whoever to solve a problem. Arsenal dont have those funds. Even if our squad was sound he would have his work cut out to get us compwting again the chips are seriously stacked against him,… Read more »
We have filled critical positions with subject matter experts; Sven (Head Scout), Raul (DoF), Shad (Head of Performance) etc…
Also if Arteta is hired as first team coach and additional staff hired to fill the gaps left by the exodus of Wenger and his old farts…who becomes the facilitator of the above working group?
While I believe Arteta can be a good “First Team Coach”, he is not the leader of the working group and interesting to see who will be after his appointment.
Allegri is coming to Arsenal and y’all can take it to the bank
Pochettino will be available after meeting with Levy later this week. Arteta might be one for the future but definitely not now. We need a manager who will add a couple players and get us back in the top 4 until he gets the squad required to challenge for the PL. After suffering for years under AW this is certainly the wrong time for experimenting.
Charlie Relax, mate. I was being tongue-in-cheek. But I also don’t accept your view of the term “AKB,” and neither do most people here. See the right-most tab at top of the page. Your issue with this designation (and the long-standing division/argument it represents) is at the heart of your issue with various posters here (including me,) and with Le Grove in general, but it’s entirely misplaced. I get why you don’t like the term: it can be used to pigeonhole you as one of those who got it wrong, used to reduce you or to suggest that you don’t… Read more »
Zaco
I hope you’re right.
I’ve stated before Arteta’s football CV is up there with most, not a serial winner but he’s been witness to and performed at huge clubs with huge players and expectations Sorry to disagree but Barca B team and 31 appearances in a year and a half for PSG back when they weren’t all that isn’t remarkable. He made over a hundred appearances for us and Everton but that was during our barren years. Honestly his playing career wasn’t all that if that’s the argument to be made for him to be manager. And also during the two years at City… Read more »
@ guns….agree with your take on the potential arteta appointment……. We’ve just suffered a suicide -inducing near decade under a frustrating ego-tists tyranny and now we are set free in our mindset. Arteta is a rookie manager, Thierry henry was once just a promising 400 m runner that could play football. You have to start somewhere, and of course it would’ve been better to pick a ready made manager. But arteta won’t be that bad a risk. We achieved 4th place on a regular basis with a fckin fool in charge! Arteta can do no worse. Management is not 100%… Read more »
Banford
That’s a lot of waffle. The term “AKB” started as banter, and grew beyond it, you’re not stupid enough to believe what you just wrote about it being a playful term. It isnt. Don’t insult my intelligence parading it as such thanks.
Zaco seems to be a troll/fan from Turin, nothing else.
(1st post I see from him)
Zaco, I’m with you on this. Arsenal FC are so many things but if you believe the press, they’re going to arm our manager with £50m (and player sales) and if you believe them some more that man is going to be Arteta.
Based off what? Allegri’s comments? he’s saying everything I’d expect him to say. He is contracted under Juve, it would be disrespectful and unprofessional to say anything else. Until we’ve sat down with him which is the intention this week if reports are to be believed, I wouldn’t rule him out.
guns Fernando Torres. A great at Athetico and Liverpool…looked like a Sunday clogger at Chelsea. How did that happen? Surely he was a guaranteed success, no. The same applies to a manager. Win some, lose some. So what. this has to be one of the stupidest explanations ever.. seriously ? how is buying a player the same as appointing a manager ? a player has no where near the responsibility nor the man management required to be a manager. a manager has to pick line ups, have plans A, B and in some cases a plan C.. a player shows… Read more »
I much rather we had Arteta or a young new manager than Mark Hughes or any of the other recycled crap that goes around the league.
Arteta taking over is scary and underwhelming, the only positive I can see is he will get financial backing (well Mislintat will). Allergi I seriously doubt would have that luxury, I might be wrong but if Arteta fails it’s Josh and Ivan who will and should be blamed.
Let’s get it right; Anelka has a better footballing CV than Arteta. So does Adebayor.
@ bamford….well said.
Marko
I did not dismiss the managerial ability of Tuchel and Nagelsmann.
What I said is that their “experience” as managers is overstated.
Charlie
I wasn’t saying it was only a banter term in the past. You’re right: first it was banter, then it evolved into a genuine insult.
My point is that it should only be a banter term going forward. After all, Wenger is gone. We can all move on.
If I or others use the term “MKB” later today or tomorrow to describe someone who supports Arteta, it will be strictly banter. Obviously. That is my point.
“Sorry to disagree but Barca B team and 31 appearances in a year and a half for PSG back when they weren’t all that isn’t remarkable“ You’re missing the relevance entirely. Achievements aren’t the meat, it’s the running of the massive institutions and being exposed to the necessary demands to thrive at such a place. La Masia, PSG, Rangers, Arsenal are all hugely prestigious clubs, and time spent at any would be a learning experience for anyone. Also, nobody is getting carried away, that’s just your silly superficial stuff coming to the fore again. He’s a front runner for the… Read more »
@Wenker-wanger Matteo coached at MK Dons, and at WBA for at least two years before taking on the Chelsea role. They were runners up and got promoted. That is tangible experience. I’ve seen Arsenal fans turning their noises at the ginger Stone Cold Steve Austin (Sean Dyche), Eddie Howe, etc and good competent managers like Benitez but are happy with an appointment of Mikel Arteta (zero managerial experience) should the stars align? Have you all gone mad? I’d take any of those before even thinking about being a guinea pig for Arteta. Is this the latest hipster craze, to want… Read more »
I would prefer Wenger staying to arteta coming.. cause arteta is just 2 steps back from where we are…
Banford
And my point remains, why tread the exact same path as before? Didn’t go down well last time, you’re setting the wheels in motion for two years down the line when Arteta has had a poor go of it and the insults are flying. It’s erroneous, just stick to football talk and leave the childish “sides” nonsense alone for a change.
50 million rumor is bollocks so is Allegri turning us down because of a transfer budget.
The more plausible reason is the lack of power Allegri would have with our current set up. Head of recruitment and Director of football at Arsenal will not really have to answer to the next manager but work together unlike a typical set up of those 2 positions working for the manager or a established brand of football, this is my worry because we need to refine ourselves.
’ll ask you this, and be sincere, just how different a manager do you think Pep was for Barcelona B than the full side? Ie if he went straight to Barcelona A do you think he’d be a noticeably different coach? Or do you think he simply would’ve started from there and ran with it? Glad you asked this Charlie. That year with the B team one could argue was very important for Pep. When he got the big job he promoted Busquets and Pedro to the senior team and worked with Thiago as well. He gained experience and saw… Read more »
gonsterous, Wenger is sooooo past it I can’t believe you would say that. Arteta has been setting up City’s defense the entire year so for one he understands basic defending something Wenger never understood.
Charlie
Well one, because I think it’s just a bit of fun, and I also think it’s just part of what goes on here.
But speaking of childish trolling, what about not calling me “Banford”? Isn’t that the same kind of thing, yet individualized?
Not a big deal. Let’s just all move on and try to play nice. Cheers.
HighburyLegend
May 14, 2018 13:18:51
Zaco seems to be a troll/fan from Turin, nothing else.
(1st post I see from him)
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really?
hope you will be humble enough to apologize to me when it’s confirmed.
“But weigh that up against Allegri, he’s never managed in England, doesn’t know the game here, completely foreign to Arsenal. Arteta would learn some things on the job, but he also comes with some transitional assurances and competencies.” Then on what basis would it be rational to favour Arteta over, say, Benitez? That Arteta has a potential higher upside because he’s worked under Guardiola, and Guardiola has won more than Benitez? That Benitez is yesterday’s man because he’s been around the block? Either way I find it hard to see that Arteta is anything but a high risk and irrational… Read more »
We worked so hard to get Wenger out and now some want him back because of Arteta ffs
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11372388/harry-kane-tells-mohamed-salah-to-repeat-golden-boot-heroics-to-become-a-great-player
Kane ought to reel his oversized tongue in and worry about underachieving again. Golden boot ain’t a trophy Hawwy….
What I said is that their “experience” as managers is overstated
And Arteta’s two years as a coach for Pep is WAY overstated
@Zaco : if you’re not, then I apologize.
But I still find that “joking” about the fact that you’re sure Allegri is coming, that is stupid and not funny.
GunnerDNA (what a headfuck) anyway the new set up isn’t going to allow for managers to bring players in…..cue Mislintat.
Auba and Miki and Mov the Greek terminator are all Mislintat moves not Wenger. I actually think transfers were completely stripped of Wenger once Mislintat started. So imagine the power he has in regards to the next manager hence why I don’t think top managers want to come.
Harry Kane’s a fucking cunt
@HighburyLegend, i repeat, Allegri is coming to Arsenal
Marko So Peps season at Barca B was valueable because otherwise he might have overlooked Pedro, Thiago and Busquets? Do you not think his philosophy and success at Barca would’ve occurred without those guys? Surely he’d have simply replaced their unknown void with another player and carried on as he has? Discounting the obvious that all of them would’ve been heavily suggested to Pep if he hadn’t spent a year in charge of them. Not the most compelling case you make. Banford Uhm, no. I’m afraid this moniker is a lifer until such time as you no longer resort to… Read more »
Ivan’s catalyst of change was so dramatic the fan base can’t comprehend the new power dynamic and definition of roles at the club.
zaco, He’s only coming in his wife.
We worked so hard to get Wenger out and now some want him back because of Arteta ffs
I’m sure you contributed a lot by typing Wenger out online…
What if Auba or Lacazette got the Golden Boot next year? That would shut Kane up. 😉
Winning the Golden Boot doesn’t make up for the fact that you play for Spurs Harry… and you couldn’t even do that this year! 😉
I have a couple of fears with Arteta being named manager, however I am sure some of these fears could be applied to others also.. Will he have what it takes to let go a lot of our crap (considering he knows and would have played with a few…) What sort of football will we play? Will he be able to bring big names into the club? Will the players respect him? Is he the choice of the club, because he is seen as a cheap option? One that won’t demand money to bring in new players. Is he Gazidis’… Read more »
@GoonerDNA,
Allegri will be next Arsenal manager, he IS the one to succeed Wenger.
“Harry Kane’s a fucking cunt”
Of Biblical proportions!
http://metro.co.uk/2018/05/12/arsenal-can-expect-mikel-arteta-succeeds-arsene-wenger-7540262/
Have a scan Jim, few answers in there from the horses mouth.
Gooner DNA This is the problem with most posters on here. They fail to understand that the brief for the job now on offer at Arsenal is entirely different to that which was on offer to Wenger. The person to be appointed will be Head Coach of First Team. He is not in overall charge for managing the Football Programme at the club. That is I suspect now in the hands of Sanllehi. Also whilst I suspect that the new Head Coach will be consulted and have input in first team transfers the final decision and negotiations will be down… Read more »
Seriously beginning to look as if the Poch is engineering an exit from the Spud’s. Now with Levy’s record on recruitment being pretty awful, the Spud’s never having loads to spend and the added financial burden of the new stadium things could suddenly get pretty grim down the Seven Sisters Road.
“Ivan’s catalyst of change was so dramatic the fan base can’t comprehend the new power dynamic and definition of roles at the club”
Bang on the mark.
We’ve hit rock bottom with Wenger. Its only upwards from here.
“He’s only coming in his wife.”
Priceless, to say the least.
“Is he Gazidis’ choice because Gazidis wants someone in he can rule over?”
Serious question ?? lol
gonsterous, I once worked for a arms dealer I guess I’m also one now ffs get a grip.
Please explain clearly (yes online) how Arteta is the second coming of Wenger.
Charlie the other thing is that the Barcelona B team is effectively run the exact same way as the senior team and the year with the B team clearly was a positive thing because it’s what got him the senior job over apparently Michael Laudrap at the time. He impressed enough with the B team that they fast tracked him. Experience is experience and if Arteta had a year with the under 23’s or something and won something you could point to something as experience. He’s got nothing now. I don’t even get people who try to make a Pep… Read more »
Gonsterous
Torres’ analogy perfectly describes that when something looks odds on to be amazing…it can go flat.
Allegri looks like the bomb but things go wrong. Look at conti.
Relax.
@CC –
Thanks for the link!
What would people think of Marco Silva?
Jim
Marco Silva has no experience.
Go with Arteta!
“Barcelona B team is effectively run the exact same way as the senior team and the year with the B team clearly was a positive thing because it’s what got him the senior job over apparently Michael Laudrap at the time. He impressed enough with the B team that they fast tracked him” He coached the 18’s at Arsenal his last season, perhaps he impressed those that matter enough in that short stint to bear consideration at this point – a couple of years later and greater coaching experience at hand. What fears do you have experience aside? I mean… Read more »
Whoever come in will ONLY BE A COACH NOT IN CHARGE OF TRANSFERS . its terrible the dissension already here yet nothing has been resolved, we do know Alegri and Tuchtel are already out of the picture, if we get a new strong coaching staff we could have 150k plus if we get rid of mustafi and Ramsey plus 70 million Swii Rambler says we had in reserve
Ancellotti to Napoli ,Sarri to Chelsea and Poch to Madrid ?
This is the most one-sided bias article I have ever read. Arteta is the man because he was captain of arsenal post Cesc and has worked with pep but Vieira is worthless because he is working with average players. You mean the same Vieira that was captain of arsenal and 10x the leader Arteta was and the same Vieria who probably meets up with pep often to learn things and has worked in Coty for years. I do not want Vierira but this article is hilarious sin terms of how it disregards candidates and makes a play for arteta. Nagelsmann… Read more »
Jim Lacey, Silva starting to feel like the modern day Robert Martinez