Wenger closes out new record + Managerial shortlist slims dramatically

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Ahhh man, sometimes, fairytales end when the Princess drinks too much wine, slips on a glass shoe and falls out the window, landing on her pet dog.

That’s Arsene’s final year. A real harrowing experience. He’s currently setting the record for the worst away showing since Giroud met a model in Manchester hotel and forgot to flush her mobile down the toilet.

It was a tough game to watch, not because we were particularly shite, more because we were so easily carved up in defence. Simple penetrating balls and diagonal crosses into our defence provoked sheer panic and confusion.

Iheanacho opened the scoring after about 15 attempts to clear our area, Arsenal can’t even hoof properly. Superstar hero man-child Mavrapanos disgraced himself a minute later with a red card on 15 minutes. He tried to play a clever pass under pressure, slipped, then brought down his man. It was pretty clumsy, very Arsenal, and a deserved red even though it looked like there was cover to pick up his mistake. Remember the days we used to wear red cards like a badge of honour? I want those back…

Arsenal leveled through Auba in the second half, some powerful running and calm composure from AMN to deliver a cross, allowing Auba to score on his second attempt. The joy didn’t last, Jamie Vardy broke our hearts from the penalty spot after Mikki made a clutzy foul in the box. Mahrez capped things off with a surging run he shouldn’t have been able to make.

Wenger is on his way out, he’s not even working hard for excuses, he took time out to lament decisions and throw a skewer at the Premier League for voting against VAR.

“Overall I believe we played a great game today. Even with 10 against 11 we should win the game. I’m convinced what changed the game was the penalty. I have complaints about the red card as well but I think we dealt well with the situation. I would like to praise the team for the spirit they showed tonight.

“There is always a reason for the defeat, but if you isolate each game, it is unfortunate what happened tonight. I think the Premier League has voted against VAR and it is upsetting. It destroys me because we were in front of the rest of the world, and now we want to be behind.”

I’m not going to go hard at the man, he’s Everton’s problem now. All I will say is I’m happy he gave Jack a nudge in the right direction.

“I’ve given him only one (bit of) advice, stay at the club. The noises I have heard is that he will do it,”

Good news. I know he’s been rank average most of the season, but he’s never really been coached. Let’s see how he does under someone who can help him with his game, motivate him to love playing again, and rekindle some of that magic we know he has.

Onto the good stuff. Allegri won his title and made some interesting comments to the press that kind of lead you to believe that I am some sort of f*cking expert when it comes to calling the narrative. This from James Horncastle.

‘Allegri pretty chippy on RAI when asked if it’s the end of a cycle and what Juve’s limits are. Calls the line of questioning absurd, says the team can still improve, the [re]build is not over and “we’ll fight for the title next season.”‘

That man needs a CL on his resume, he has a great team at Juve, the club works around his skillset, and he’s a perfect match for them. A huge pay bump and a move to London is always going to be attractive, but he can take that move whenever he wants. I wonder whether he has the appetite for a rebuild at Arsenal? An incredible coach, the best we could land, I just really doubt the situation.

Jezza Wilson, messenger for the mid-West aristocracy that owns our club, just dropped some information uppers on us, and it reads fairly similar to what I’ve been ranting your way this week.

Arsenal do not want to approach managers in work at an inconvenient moment and so must wait until most of the major European leagues have finished before accelerating their process.

Arsenal are not settled yet on whether to go all out for an established current manager like Allegri or Monaco’s Leonardo Jardim or a younger head coach-style option. They want to conduct a full recruitment process and intend to make their appointment by at least the start of the World Cup next month.

You can just imagine tight Stan K sitting in the boardroom stroking his persian cat.

‘Oh the conundrum, £15m a year manager who will bring all his expensive friends or two young coaches we can house in Vik Akers cupboard. Whatever shall I do?’

JW goes on to talk through the challenges of GALACTICO managers versus the young bucks. A well-trodden path we’ve explored with you many times before in the past.

Mokbel of The Mail and JC at The Mirror are both going on a similar path with Allegri, Arteta and Vieira (probably sharing intel with each other). Below is where the combined journo-list is at.

  • Allegri
  • Jardim
  • Nagelsmann
  • Paddy
  • Arteta

Realistically, for me, it’s going to be the three I’ve highlighted in bold. I can’t see PV04 being in the mixer, I’m not sure he’s moved NYC on enough, though he does have a great tie to the fans. Allegri is going to be very expensive, and likely very demanding of the club, not just that, he’s kind of said he’ll be there next season.

Jardim has everything we need, but maybe lacks the excitement of a manager who has a sexy back story, but he’s ready and he’d do an incredible job. He’s worked under every condition imaginable, he beat Paris last year on a budget with young players, and he has built great defences in the past. He’s also pretty young, just one year short of Tuchel at 43 years old, pretty much the peak age top managers start winning big things.

Nagelsmann and Arteta have different superpowers. Nagelsmann has actually managed a club and proved a success. However, we can keep on banging on about him, but Rapha H reckons he’s too smart to move to Arsenal. He’s just in it for the ego kick with us, most likely with an eye on Bayern where he apparently fancies settling down with his lady friend. I’d love this guy, he oozes the ingredients you want. Enough experience to be dangerous, enough potential to rock the league. But if his club won’t let him go, it’s tough… that said, Arsenal knocking on your door with a once in a lifetime job in London replacing Wenger is pretty appealing and tough for any man to say no to.

I’m back defending Arteta today. Too many people critiquing him for the wrong reasons. The common one is he’s too much of a Wenger patsy. I think that notion is badly misguided. He’s a key member of Peps coaching staff who just won a Premier League by destroying the competition. City humiliated the most expensively assembled league in the world. They boast a better goal difference than United and Spurs combined.

… yet people still question Arteta’s talent and strength as a potential coach because he played out the final 5 years of his career in a Wenger banter team. You think Pep Guardiola would have a wet blanket Wenger clone into his coaching setup? You think he’d let a pushover run his training sessions? You think he chooses to lean on average thinkers in one of the most high-pressure jobs in the world? Please. You’re not landing a job with Pep (who fought off Pochettino for his signature) unless you bleed like him and can offer him something he doesn’t have himself. That’s the only way the elite coaches can survive in the modern era, they’re the sum of their team. He’d also come with the ‘everyone thinks I’m going to fail’ chip on his shoulder, which is a plus over someone like Allegri who doesn’t need to prove a thing. Sure, Arteta is inexperienced, he’d be the biggest risk on the list, there’d be a lot to learn on the job, but let’s not look at the suggestion of Arsenal hiring him like we’re zip lining in Gunnersaurus to have a crack.

The close-mindedness of some fans is unreal. The same people who’ve spent 10 years enabling a failing manager who once blamed our ‘mysterious’ injury pileups on rogue hair pills, are now chiming in on what it takes to lead Arsenal to the next level, is the next level, is the next level. Where was all this knowledge when there was actually a debate about Arsene Wenger using tactics after our 46th straight defeat to a top 6 team? Astounding carry-on from the ‘The players let him down’ crew, and the ‘Who else is there?’ Crouch End Tourettes Brigade.

Anyway, those be my final words for today. If the MSM Arsenal insiders crew has the list right, we’ve got a group of men who can move us in the right direction next season, don’t let someone on Twitter called @SabrosaHamburguesaᵌ tell you otherwise.

Right, see you in the comments!

 

266 Responses to “Wenger closes out new record + Managerial shortlist slims dramatically”

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  1. Guns of Hackney

    Arsenal fans are really shit.

    People aren’t getting it. What makes Allegri a sure bet against Arteta v Bagelsmann v Jardim?

    Conte has just blown up. He looked shit hot at the beginning, didn’t he?

    Just accept that Arsenal will be 1,000 % better now the maniac is gone.

    Everyone “knows” about which manager is the best…you don’t. You know as much as anyone and that’s fuck all. You have an opinion, not facts.

    Alas, the Wenger years have eroded most peoples brains. Everyone is scared that arsenal will make a mistake but how about arsenal getting in right? They are due one after the Wenger debacle.

  2. Ishola70

    mysticleaves
    “if we brought in a coach that would implement City’s style of play I will be over the moon. I wonder how you try to demean a coach with a full time job”

    You can call it demeaning if you wish but I am just relaying the reality of the New York City job.

    It is not a managers job that is in the traditional sense of the word.

  3. Ishola70

    Dennis
    “Funnily could there be a situation where depending re framing, Arsenal become testing ground for man city project managers.. Lol..?”

    lol yes Dennis.

    People do not see the irony of this.

    Arsenal become in the future another sister club to Manchester City.

    We will stand alongside New York City FC getting shafted by the sheikhs.

  4. Marc

    Guns

    I’ve been saying as much for over a week now. Everyone’s so fucking negative – if we get the appointment wrong we sack them and get someone else.

    We’ve brought in top level people over the last few months – you don’t do that to aim for 6th.

  5. Guns of Hackney

    And another thing. Hasn’t peter been banging the drum that “managers aren’t the spearhead they once were”. We hear it’s now about coaches, DOFs etc. More a team game thing.

    I mean, the coach picks the team and has an idea about tactics…that’s pretty much it.

    Zidane might win three CLs but is he the greatest manager in the world? Probably not.

    Sorry, you lot are missing the point about Arteta.

  6. Guns of Hackney

    Marc

    Exactly. What have arsenal got to lose?

    Chelsea sack a manager every year. Win loads.

    Real. Ditto.

    Why not us?

    Wake up.

  7. Marc

    Guns

    I’ve been using an F1 analogy – you don’t hire Ross Brawn to run the team, Adrian Newey to design the car, put a Mercedes or Ferrari works engine in the back of it to go and hire your Nan to drive the fucking thing.

    I think we’d almost be better off with two comments pages on here. One for football and the other for people to just make contrary comments. It could be up or down for all I care.

  8. Guns of Hackney

    Marc

    Very good point. We keep being told that arsenal are moving the pieces into position and now, two weeks after we have got rid of Wenger, the panic buttons are being pressed.

    That says to me, the majority of posters only know Wenger. They are scared of the unknown.

    As fans, we can only hope arsenal get themselves right and move forward.

    Jesus, buying a £90m player doesn’t guarantee anything so why apply a different set of rules to a
    manager? It doesn’t make sense.

  9. Guns of Hackney

    GOB

    We’ve had 22 years of stability. Where did that get us?

    No. Now is the time to go wild.

  10. mysticleaves

    “You can call it demeaning if you wish but I am just relaying the reality of the New York City job.
    It is not a managers job that is in the traditional sense of the word.”

    This drivel is reality? really? lol. “It’s not a managers job that is in the traditional sense of the word”. haha. wtf

  11. Ishola70

    mystic

    New York City is a satellite club of Manchester City.

    Vieira has gone to that club under instruction from Manchester City to implement their style of play at that club.

    Now tell me if that is a traditional managers job. Being instructed by another club how to run the club you are managing.

    Not difficult to realise is it?

  12. Ishola70

    What is dificult to get your head around that?

    If this is sort some of defence of Paddy V then that is very touching.

  13. mysticleaves

    How does that remove from all the work he is actually doing there? it’s a proper job and he’s got them top of the pile with the “instructions”. I don’t see how it’s different to say the instructions that will be given to a new manager that comes to Arsenal. That’s my point

  14. mysticleaves

    And the fact NYFC is a satellite club of City doesn’t mean they don’t function independently. They are just under one umbrella. Girona is part of it too

  15. mysticleaves

    “If this is sort some of defence of Paddy V then that is very touching.”

    more like an exposure of your cluelessness, sorry

  16. Ishola70

    The point is he is under no pressure or obligation to win trophies while at New York City.

    Of course they would like to win trophies if they can but the main thing there is the style of play that he has been issued to implement.

    The team is erratic no?

    Loses quite big at times. That’s because the style of play is seen as more important than results. If the style of play works and gets better then results will become less erratic over time.

  17. Alex James

    Carlo is the only sane choice, to get us up and running quickly. He has immense respect in the game and has won things. I don’t want some young guy, with no sole experience of managing experienced players near the club, even if he were bolstered by the new management team around him.

  18. Ishola70

    lol top of the pile mystic?

    New York City FC have conceded 23 goals in their last 10 away matches.

    Is this a freal serious team mystic or are you kidding us on?

  19. mysticleaves

    No, you are flatly wrong. The nature of the MLS is at that point where they are no cut and dry super heavy weights. they are not dominant top 4 or 6 or 2. Teams can still beat teams fairly easily. it’s the nature of league not because they dont care about results.

    He is under pressure to perform because he will be sacked if he fails. he’s an employee after all.

    Because the next manager we hire will not be tasked with winning the league does not mean he won’t be under pressure. got it?

  20. Guns of Hackney

    Come August

    “We should have given Wenger another couple of years”

    Arsenal don’t deserve success if this is the response we get when a young potential manager is mentioned.

    Arsenal fans would still be living in caves if they had their way.

  21. Ishola70

    mystic

    new york city fc have conceded 23 goals in their last 10 away matches.

    is this serious footy?

  22. mysticleaves

    “lol top of the pile mystic?
    New York City FC have conceded 23 goals in their last 10 away matches.”

    I believe you know what top of the pile means right? like it doesn’t have anything to do with how many goals you have conceded away right?

  23. alexanderhenry

    Pedro

    I’m with you on Arteta. At this stage he’s not the absolute, ideal, christmas has come early, managerial choice, but I just don’t think an Allegri appointment is on the cards.

    And if he fails, arsenal can replace him with someone else. Imagine that.

    Odds are currently 3/1 on skybet- missed a trick there.

  24. mysticleaves

    Ishola are you knocking the league or the coach or the fact that city football group owns NYFC? Or are you just digging your self further down because you made an awful first comment?

  25. Negation

    Guns of Hackney

    Your opinion is your opinion – I can’t fault it. It’s positive.

    Nevertheless, I will reiterate mine – I would prefer someone other than Arteta. To me it’s not negative. I’m super happy wenger is leaving. But I’m confused – is it impossible for someone else to come and in and do exactly what wenger did? Plus, I would like to enjoy watching the team I’m supported all my life.

  26. Ishola70

    mystic please tell us how conceding 23 goals in 10 away matches can be seen as serious footy.

    Arsenal have conceded 16 goals in their last 10 away matches and that is why Arsenal are struggling in the league and people are pulling their hair out here. Terrible amount of goals to conceded from any real serious side.

    and then we see new york city fc and 23 goals conceded.

  27. Guns of Hackney

    Negation

    I concur. But, Arsenal will 100% implement a ‘style’ they want to play. The new manager will fit that brief I’m sure.

    Whoever is hired, I hope we can unite for the first time in a decade.

  28. Marc

    I think Allegri will be managing in the PL next season – it’s just whether it’s us or at Chelsea.

    The PL is the league at the moment – the only bigger draws are the Madrid / Barca jobs which will always be massive.

  29. Marc

    Negation

    I haven’t actually seen Guns give a real preference on who he’d like. What I’ve seen is him just trying to tell the constant moaners on here to stop being so negative, the club will appoint who they appoint and no one on here has a clue who that’ll be.

  30. Guns of Hackney

    Marc is right. I have people I’d rather arsenal NOT employ. Ancelotti is one and obviously not Rodgers and Benitez.

    Anyone else and I’ll be happier being an arsenal fan since probably 2009.

    Onwards and upwards.

  31. mysticleaves

    ishola Real Madrid have conceded almost same number of goals as Arsenal because they play open football, in their world, it’s acceptable.

    The MLS is normally a high scoring league and the fact that there are no clear heavyweights means that everybody gets their share of goals. Most teams are evenly matched. The points difference between the first in the normal season and the last is not usually much. It’s still a developing league. By all means if you want to knock the league do that but to say Viera is holidaying is bollox and a proper drivel.

    He’s implementing City’s style on the team and they are playing better football and getting results to booth, if he comes to Arsenal for eg and plays the same style and because of the fact that there’s defined top 4-6 in the PL you think they will concede such goals?

  32. Carts

    Predictable painful showing from Arsenal last night.

    Tank Burnley at home to add a bit of paper over cracks, then lose to Leicester who are on the brink of (unfairly) sacking Puel.

    Our home and away form – aching to something of two halves – is exactly how Wenger’s tenure’s been. If anyone even tries to dispute that, they’re frankly talking shit.

    Moving forward, Allegri or Jardim for me. Kind of edging to Jardim due to the excellent work he did for Monaco under the parameters.

  33. alexanderhenry

    From Wenger’s last press conference, regarding the successor:

    ‘The advice is to give his best and to respect the values of the club,’

    With the new manager expect Gazidis and co. to roll out the PR concerning Arsenal’s ‘values’.

    These ‘values’ primarily include project youth and living within ours means .

    Self sustainability basically.

    That’s why an Arteta type appointment is so likely.

  34. Marc

    mystic

    “Real Madrid have conceded almost same number of goals as Arsenal because they play open football, in their world, it’s acceptable.”

    Really? Odds are that Zidane will be sacked in the summer. Finishing second in the league is not acceptable to Madrid and conceding that many goals in a league where 90% of matches should be a walk over will be seen as a major reason why.

  35. Ishola70

    mystic

    are you one of these fans that want to win 4-3 every week.

    I know that New York City FC focus on attack and style of play to the detriment of their defence. They scrimp on defence in relation to attack and their results clearly show that.

    Sounds horribly familiar and don’t want any part of it.

    Would like to see from adult football from Arsenal not jumpers for goalposts football.

  36. mysticleaves

    y’all say coaches should start from a smaller club and prove themselves. That’s all I see Viera doing. It’s stupidity to expect him to go unbeaten and concede 15 goals all season. The proper team is to look at the team before he came on board and now that he’s onboard and check their performance levels. The fact is Viera has improved NYCFC massively since he came on board. He has experienced the emotions involve in being a coach/manager for 3years. It’s not something to knock. He can only up forward form here. am not in anyway advocating he comes to Arsenal because they are better managers we could get. It’s just annoying when people say certain things just because they can

  37. Marc

    alexanderhenry

    Give it as rest 99% of clubs operate on a self sustaining basis. Outiside of City, PSG etc and when the Spanish government are “helping out” Madrid everyone else either does or goes bust. Even Abramovich has stopped chucking money into Chelsea like he was before.

  38. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    If you look at what’s most important to the club that’s what will tell you whom the ne2 manager is
    Money
    Promoting youth players to sell meaning money
    Replace wenger 10m with a cheap alternative
    They the board felt wengers role had diminished an could be done by a puppet.

    Hence Arteta

  39. mysticleaves

    Marc run down Madrid stats the last 10 years you would see they aren’t particular about not conceding goals. Casillas was touted as the best keeper in Spain but in fact didn’t win many Zamoras. For a top team they concede a lot and it’s quite normal for them

  40. BillikenGooner

    We just have to accept a 5th – 7th next season as whoever it is takes the next 3 transfer windows to rebuild the defense.

    Whoever gets hired also has to be someone who accepts a year of crap and that we won’t be challenging for anything next season.

  41. mysticleaves

    I know that New York City FC focus on attack and style of play to the detriment of their defence. They scrimp on defence in relation to attack and their results clearly show that.

    Ishola is not really NYCFC it’s the nature of the league and the fact that most teams win at home with quite a number of goals scored.

    In the PL for example, only the top 6 can score 3 goals against Arsenal away from home. THIS season is an anomaly. We aren’t this poor away form home

  42. up 4 grabs now

    I posted this yesterday, explains why defence is the big issue.

    up 4 grabs now
    May 9, 2018 15:52:26
    Whoever comes in the defence for me is the big job to start with.
    We are currently the third highest scorers in the league and that was with a misfiring Sanchez, Giroud, Welbz and Lolcott for half a season.
    Throw in that Laca missed 6 weeks through injury scoring isn’t the issue.
    The defensive side of our game is the problem.
    we have the worst defence in the top 7.
    Clubs such as Brighton, Newcastle & Burnley have conceded less.
    Barring stoke, all the other clubs in the relegation dogfight have only conceded 6-7 goals more than us.
    If money is really that tight we can get by with Cech for the last year of his contract but for me two centre backs are a must, and a youngish long term replacement for Nacho.
    we also need a defensive midfielder to replace Mr slow.
    The frightening thing is we dropped 16 points from a winning position this season, to put that in perspective with those points we would be a point behind Utd in third.
    The roll call for those dropped points are against
    Watford
    The bin dippers
    Wba
    Bournemouth
    Swansea
    Newcastle.
    with the exception of Liverpool which was a 3-3 at the emirates the rest were away and games realistically we should be winning.
    throw in the away loss at now bottom club stoke and most other seasons we wouldn’t be far off winning the title.
    yes we need to invest, yes we need to look at tactics and formations but for me top four is achievable with a couple of sensible buys.
    then the following season we go balls out spend 150 million and go for the title!

  43. Ishola70

    ok so Vieira is managing in a league where focus is on attack and style to the detriment of defence.

    His own team NYCFC is very much like this too.

    Sounds like an Arsene Wenger wet dream doesn’t it.

    Plenty want to get away Mystic from this thought of football. They want to see adult football not we will score more goals than you football. That’s why many got pissed at Wenger. His disregard for defence.

  44. kc

    This lame agenda to promote Arteta is already tired as hell. The absurd idea that a guy who’s never managed a single game in his life is going to be the one to stop this downwards Arsenal slide is not just ludicrous, it’s dangerous. At what point do we stop just throwing out names of people who once sat next to Pep? Have we checked with all the former water boys at Barca? What about Machin over at Girona? He’s the manager of a team owned by City and Pep’s brother. Can’t go wrong there. Ridiculous.

  45. gambon

    alexanderhenry

    A clubs profit/loss isnt the sign of whether they are self sustaining. Its an accountants job to make sure there isnt too much profit.

    A club can make a financial loss but make £50m in excess cash in the same season.

    For example Arsenal this season will have revenues of £400m with costs of £330m or so, which would leave £70m to spend on players even if we didnt sell anyone.

    However if we were to sign one £60m player on a 4 year deal without selling anyone we would make a loss of about £50m, due to how accounting works.

    So a breakeven year would be a -£50m accounting loss.

    If you look into the numbers as well, you realise that the idea we can only spend £50m this year is ludicrous.

  46. Confidentgoner

    Jim

    These are the kind of mentality that comes with a weak manager.

    Getting the next manager that cures our mental and defensive weaknesses is crucial. Jardim might well be the guy, seeing that Allegri may stay on at Juve.

  47. james wood

    Re post -and Jack never been coached properly.?
    Perhaps a new coach might install his verve again
    and his general game might be helped ? Well?
    Old saying say’s you cant teach an old dog new tricks.

  48. Leedsgunner

    That article by Allegri is an interesting insight of the man, quite philosophical in some ways similar to what Wenger would say with one crucial difference. Allegri has the track record and trophies now to back up his words…

    Wenger just talks philosophy because he knows that football wise he has nothing to boast about especially if you want to talk about European trophies and league titles after the advent of YouTube.

  49. gambon

    Wenger just spouts “values” these days, but these “values” change every year dependent on how far we have slipped.

    – In 2004 winning was the important value
    – in 2008 playing CL football was the important value
    – In 2010 giving youths a chance was the important value
    – In 2014 making sure 600 employees got paid was the important value
    – In 2018 giving money to charity is the important value

  50. azed

    “I am sometimes perceived as cold, but in reality, that’s a decision on my part. You must have a certain detachment as a manager in order to keep moving. I love football, and I find joy in my work — it’s why I keep returning to it every morning — but it’s not my life 24 hours a day. The most important time of my day, no matter what, is 9 a.m.

    Well, actually, the most important time of my day is 7 a.m., when I have my espresso. But the second most important time is 9 a.m., when I take my young son, Giorgio, to school. It may be different for others. But for me, I cannot be a manufactured manager. I cannot be something I am not. I can only be who I am.”

  51. Thanos

    People on here moan for the sake of it, he is going which is what we wanted now let’s see who comes in whoever it is we need to support them. Out of all the managers being linked anyone is better than Wenger let’s all celebrate that

  52. Terraloon

    Gambon

    A few of the cash rich clubs pay for a player up front. The majority buy a player in effect on HP. Those that pay up front get the player a little cheaper. Arsenal are probably alone in that when they buy a player they buy them on terms but from the cash reserves ring fence the balanced owed .
    Yes it’s ludicrous to suggest that Arsenal will only have £50 million available but if they are to follow the same and probably unique version of trading sustainability then the £50 million is probably correct.

  53. Up 4 grabs now

    Red,
    And how many home goals. We are the third highest scorers in the league with the 10th or 11th worst defence. And 5-6 goals off from having conceded what the bottom five have.

    Yes our away form is shocking, that’s a given.
    Successful and title winning teams win with a solid defence, usually paired with a great attack.

    We have a good attack which needs improving. And a shocking defence which needs a complete overhaul.

    Clear enough for you Rodney?

  54. Herb's Army

    Spending significant sums of money is key to success, there is no short-cut.
    I remember years ago, Wenger saying that Arsenal would compete with the monied clubs by spending ‘intelligently’.
    Wenger did the opposite.
    He is a greedy narcissist who wasted £millions on total dross.
    Arsenal lost Sanchez for pretty much the same reasons they lost van Persie.
    Because we’re miles away from the PL title.
    If Arsenal continue with this safety-first risk averse self-sustaining model, they’re bailing out of the competition. Arsenal won’t be winning the PL or CL because they won’t be trying.
    They’ll want top-four and CL money, because Kroenke wants profit, but to achieve this with the restrictions already in place is impossible when you look at the structures of City, United and Liverpool. Even Chelsea have over-taken us, and despite the instability, continue to show infinitely more ambition than Arsenal.
    Arsenal sold their soul and lied to the fan-base when they moved to the Emirates, and twelve years on it still doesn’t feel like a spiritual home.
    The Arsenal we support today is a horrible incarnation of something we once loved and left behind at Highbury.

  55. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    Hang on

    Was the move to the promised land meant to be our entry in to the riches of the elite…. 12 years on we are worse of than had we stayed at our proper home wollwich … sorry Highbury

  56. Guns of SF

    whomever we get as manager cannot work the measily budget we have. its more of the same then. We need someone who can demand the club find the funds to get better players. Will Arteta do that? Will Jardim, who operated on a meager budget too? Im sure the club would be happy to have someone who sits on their hands and not ask for additional $

    Any coach would fail without the correct funding.

    I posit that the new coach needs to be someone who can attract the players we need- that means a bigger named coach. Allright…. Jardim seems pretty nice… but an established name like Ancelloti or Enrique would certainly help!

    Im guessing it wont be a big name nor an inexperienced fella. Somewhere in between. Low risk for IG

  57. alexanderhenry

    Gambon

    ‘If you look into the numbers as well, you realise that the idea we can only spend £50m this year is ludicrous.’

    I agree. I’m no accountant but now as in the past, Arsenal fc could and should spend more.

  58. englandsbest

    For a club like Arsenal paying-your-way AND signing top players should never have been a problem. And if David Dein had been listened to, there never would have been a problem, a Rights Issue would have provided the cash.

    Using the cost of a new stadium does not wash as an excuse. Watch THFC this summer. Despite their new stadium, they will sign the players they need.

    And even without a Rights issue, the Club could have managed both if the owners – past and present – hadn’t been so greedy. It became not just a matter of paying-your-way but a matter of paying-for-the-stadium as well.

    A decent buyer would have said, “Look, I’m getting the Club on the cheap because of the stadium debt, therefore the debt is mine.”

    All the bad things that happened flowed from that, the years of austerity when Wenger had to sell to buy, when the debt repayment would been enough to sign the players needed.

    Alright, we no longer have a manager with delusions of grandeur, but we are still stuck with Stan. Hence no Man U splurge, no gift courtesy of the sheikh, no largesse from an oligarch.

    No problem with that, we have Gazidis. The guy is a pragmatist. Getting Raul and Sven and Mikel to run the football side together makes sense to me. The future looks bright.

  59. Ozy

    Damn. Pedro doesn’t shut the fuck up about Arteta. The fucking mental gymnastics needed to justify the insanity of appointing Arteta to rebuild Arsenal after Wenger is unreal.

    Europa league football and working under Arteta. Lmao. Every player’s dream come true.

  60. Guns of SF

    Pedro,
    You are an optimist like me, but I am also confounded on the whole Arteta thing.
    There is no logical explanation behind it, unless you know something we all do not know…. hmmm

    Arteta needs to coach somewhere else first before ANY team decides to hire him. So he has smelled Peps farts so much, that he has the power of Pep now?

    Just working with someone is not enough. makes no sense Pedro.

    Arteta fails, IG gets sacked. Its about self preservation for IG and his turn to make his mark on Arsenal Mk2.

    Will Arteta put butts in seats? Its also about $$… he does not generate as some state, the needed excitement with the split fan base.

    Im all in for Ancelloti Allegri Enrique

  61. Leedsgunner

    Wenger defiant until the very end that this group of players are “special” and that they are only “two or three additions away from the league.”

    Except he’s been saying that since 2008. He said the same last year when we finished fifth.

    Ahh, there’s a good point. He said the same thing last year when we slumped into ifThis. He added 2/3 players and we’ve done even worse.

    Conclusion? Even by his logic the problem must be him! Not that he’ll admit it!

    Ps – how he can say such a thing when this squad haven’t picked up a single point away from home in 2018 is laughable. Challenge for the title? Yeah right.

  62. gazzap

    If we bought Mahrez, I’d sell Ozil. In fact I’d sell Ozil anyway and buy pretty much any attacking player. I think Ozil upsets team spirit. we have star players at the club and we don’t NEED Ozil to progress. Sure he’s talented but he brings just as many problems as he solves.

  63. Sancho Monzorla

    Ozil has certainly left something to desire with his performance this season. But just like some of us have hope that the youngsters or Jack will do better under new management, maybe Ozil can fall into that category too. He was considered one of the best playmaking midfielders in the world at Madrid and now he finally has a decent forward to feed in Aubemeyang. It could be a good partnership next year as long as the rest of the team’s needs (GK, CB, DM) and a good system is put into place.

  64. Guns of SF

    Not only does Ozil stand out as the superstar, I think he probably does get along with his teammates fairly well. I mean he is like them, a selfie driven, fancy clothed, weak minded player lacking leadership skills. So, I think he fits right in.

    Its with the fans, that he cannot control the rage against him.

    He fails to see the connection between being highly paid, and the hardest worker on the team. Jenas just fucked us all with his “Ozil doesnt play defense shit”

    For a team struggling, all players need to adjust, and tweak their games to some extent.

    He also needs to learn how to move without the ball better. How about scoring goals from someone else assisting you!!

  65. Carts

    Hold on, Wenger actually said we’re a few players shy of winning the league?

    Did he say this recently, or didn’t someone regurgitate this nonsense from 10 years go??

  66. Leedsgunner

    Carts

    Quote about winning the league within the article:

    https://www.football.london/arsenal-fc/news/arsenal-premier-league-wenger-news-14570247?utm_source=google_news&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=google_news&utm_content=sitemap

    Wenger says he believes we can win the league based on our home form…

    Hilariously, in doing so he unintentionally draws attention to our appalling away form because on that we would get laughed at relegated!! Laughable he still says rubbish like this and thinks he’s credible.

  67. Carts

    Leedsgunner

    And it’s because of those platitudes as to why I stopped caring about Wenger.

    Just glad I’ll never have to hear a post match interview by that delusional fool

  68. Jeff

    But for the shittiest players that are knocking around, I think we should reserve final judgement until the new manager is installed and running. What is clear is that players whom we’ve seen perform very well suddenly stop performing. Everything under Wenger was wrong and has to be put right. Until that happens, every player deserves the benefit of the doubt. That’s my view.

  69. Black Hei

    Jeff

    I am with you. Let’s give the players a chance.

    New manager with new ideas might lead to new performances.

  70. Black Hei

    “If you look into the numbers as well, you realise that the idea we can only spend £50m this year is ludicrous.”

    I think it was Ken Friar who came out recently and confirmed that Wenger operated on a budget decided upon by the board.

    And Allegri is going to Chelsea. Don’t need a prophet to know that.

    He will be utterly pure to come to a place like Arsenal.

    “I wanna prove myself to the world by working on a smaller budget, with less pay and a bunch of pampered buffons with all the attention of the world on me so that when I win, I will not only be great but share the honor with my esteemed colleagues Sven and Raul!”

    Allegri IS already great. He don’t need that BS.

  71. Pedro

    Black Hei, when was the narrative anything other than the board giving the manager a budget to work to?

  72. Black Hei

    Peds

    There are quite a few here that suggest Wenger sets his own budget because he is the all powerful dictator and he chooses to penny pinch in order to make himself look better.

    I am copying from Gambon’s post btw.

  73. TonyD

    “The Arsenal we support today is a horrible incarnation of something we once loved and left behind at Highbury.”

    By far the truest comment on here for years!

  74. TonyD

    Pedro
    I firmly believe your advocation for Arteta is wrong in the same way your belief in Gazidis was.

    The McClaren and United analogy posted here perfectly sums up the situation.

    We need Jardim who is the right fit for our financial ability right now and who can work with youth.

    The only good thing about Arteta being appointed is that when he fails Gazidis should be shown the door when Arteta is kicked out.

    Arteta will not unite the fan base, which is what is really needed now.

    I’m ok with Allegri and Nagelsmann but I can see PV failing in the same way Roy Keane did and Robson before him.

    A manager with experience is essential for us, especially one who can work with tight budgets and youth because Kroenke will not be dipping into his pockets any time soon.

  75. Black Hei

    TonyD

    To be fair to Peds, our situation is different from United.

    Ivan had a year to prep for Wenger’s departure and he brought in 2 high profile senior personnel in Sven and Raul to help with the process. I hear that we are retaining Bould and Lehman, letting go only the older staff who are more tied in with Wenger.

    So the new guy can concentrate on coaching duties.

    United on the other hand had to find someone to take over Fergie’s role entirely. And Moyes made the job harder by bringing in his own backroom staff.

    I am willing to give a young manager a chance since he does have backup from experienced people.

    The main issue will be the human dynamics between those 3. It will help if the last guy to get either has a huge talent in diplomacy, or is willing to defer to the other 2 who got in first.

  76. Guns of SF

    That rant reduced him to a litttle pea
    Damning!

    The ozil injury part might be just bs as theee is no verification of his needing to sit out and him refusing

  77. China

    The official line about wenger’s budget has always been a contradictory splurge of lies

    Wenger used to always say the board will back him in the transfer market

    The board always openly said wenger can get whomever he wants within reason (assuming not Ronaldo/Messi types naturally)

    Then when under pressure and doing badly wenger saidbe has to work on a tight budget

    The story about our budget has always changed to suit whichever shitty narrative the club have wanted to push ie either to fool gullible fans into renewing their season tickets or to justify the absolute filth we’ve watched take to the football field in recent years

  78. China

    The board and wenger lies so many times that I’m not even sure if they know what the fuck our budget and finances look like anymore

    It’s just been one lie after another

  79. China

    *straight after ems move*

    We have money to spend and I want to just find the right super super quality players to buy! – *Doesn’t buy shit*

    We don’t need to sell! – * sells cesc and nasri *

    We have do have money trust me! – *complains that he had to work under a tight budget during ems move*

    If my son told half as many lies as those fuckers I’d give him a clip round the ear.

  80. Sid

    Wenger was thrown out because he spent 90m last summer but still couldnt achieve a top 4 finish. After last season, he shamelessly said that top 4 in no longer important for revenue in today’s world. This came from a same man who has used the top 4 ranking as an excuse to remain in the job for 12 years. Gazidis wanted to kick him out last year itself, but the cunning old man somehow convinced Stan to give him an extension. Things started going downhill for Wenger when Stan’s son Josh started looking into the club affairs. Sanhelli and Mislintat were clearly brought in without Wenger’s approval. The club started losing revenue due to Wenger’s shit policies, so Stan was left with no option but to kick him out.

  81. Jeff

    If we put in Arteta it would be for no reason other than being cheap and perhaps trying to recover some of the severance being paid to Wenger for the final year of his contract after his sacking. But that would truly be a case of out of the fire and into the frying pan. A rookie isn’t what Arsenal needs right now. We need an ace manager with pedigree, experience and one who hasn’t already failed in the PL. So far as Gazidis is concerned, I neither trust or like him very much at all. The past lies, deception and indifference means he’s more interested in counting beans than trophies. Maybe he should jack it in and seek employment with some accountancy firm or something.

  82. Snowman

    3 things:
    1. Wenger is a fucking deluded liar. He lost all the respect i had for him 10 years ago where he also lost his marbles. Last year he said we could win the league with our away form because our home form was shit, well this year it is the other way round. I honestly cant wait for him to just fuck off, i wish we could fast forward and just have this season end already. He has left and he is still pissing me off with his senile comments.

    2. Pedro should just drop this whole Arteta love- in. This guy epitomizes what has been wrong with Arsenal for the past 10 years. He has more Everton blood than he has Arsenal. So what Arsenal values does he have other than the failure mentality during wenger’s last 10 years? Also you all forget that Arteta was our Xhaka not a very long time ago. It was painful to watch him track back. He was a basic midfielder as they get, not to mention all the penalties he gave away. We are the Arsenal not some experimental Sunday league team. We got so used to being served shit in the last 12 years that we actually have accepted that we are shit. Even shit hart lane wouldn’t make such an uninspired appointment in this day and age. That’s a fact.

    3. Ozil is shit. Give me Mahrez. I really hate how much he sulks on the pitch. Wenger should leave with all his sulky babies. We need people who actually know what it means to play for the badge. Thats the ONLY Arsenal Value there is, the rest are just Wenger values.

  83. Ishola70

    Wondered why there wasn’t more interest on here in Tedesco.

    Seems fans have gone for what is seen as the more attacking manager in Nagelsmann.

    Tedesco’s profile and what he has done at Schalke is more associated with fixing Arsenal’s weaknesses than Nagelsmann.

    Tedesco stronger on defence.

    Both though are unlikely to want to move from their present clubs and that is even with the extra wedge they would get at Arsenal. Both young managers that have plenty of time ahead of them and their respective clubs are in good places atm.

    But Tedesco has shown more than Nagelsmann that he could have been the one to sort out Arsenal’s weaknesses.

  84. HighburyLegend

    “We need an ace manager with pedigree, experience…”

    I agree jeff, but with no UCL next season, a limited budget, lots of overpaid shit players, a lot to rebuild… do you seriously think any “ace manager” would like to come in a heartbeat, with all the shit that wenger leave behind him ??

  85. Carts

    Jeff

    I see no issue with certain players being kept on under a new manager.

    Sadly, I’ve seen so much shite from a lot of these players that I don’t even want to see them at all.

    Some players need to just leave: Wilshere, Kos, Cech.

    Some could perform better with decent coaching: Bellerin, Ramsey, Xhaka

  86. Ishola70

    The only real pedigree manager that would be more likely to go to Arsenal who is currently tied up with a club would be Jardim.

    Even though his club have CL football Monaco is not a big club. Big on the footballing front in France but not as a club as a whole .

    We have seen this with players taken away from that club in recent times and the same would apply to the manager as well.

    So if it is pedigree manager currently at a club then Jardim.

    You have other pedigree managers not tied to clubs like Ancelotti and Low but with them you would not feel that a new project for the long term is in place. They would be seen more as interim managers.

  87. Ishola70

    I forgot Enrique of course. Unattached and would be seen as long term but that ship seems to have sailed. Not overly mad about him anyway tbh.

    For me how you could want Arteta or Vieira ahead of Jardim is puzzling. Jardim can be got simple as that. If Arsenal choose Arteta or Vieira ahead of Jardim then I would find that choice very conservative. Some have pronounced an appointment of Arteta as exciting. Not for me. Not when you can land Jardim. Conservative move rather than exciting. Consevative being “the Arsenal way” a term some like to use.

    I’d prefer Tedesco ahead of Arteta or Vieira.

    Emery has been linked lol. Dear god please no.

  88. HighburyLegend

    The most important thing has been done – getting rid of wenger – but I have a bad feeling about the board’s decision concerning who’s next…

    The next level will be the next level!!

  89. TonyD

    Black Hei

    “I am willing to give a young manager a chance since he does have backup from experienced people.”

    Keeping Bould and Lehman? Why? Neither have done anything except be ‘Yes” men to Wenger and look how that turned out.

    Sorry BH we need experience not young hopefuls.

    Any new manager worth his salt will want his own backroom staff and coaches.

    If what you say is fact about Bouldy and Lehman then that seriously points towards either Paddy or Arteta and while you might believe in them, I don’t for the simple reason they don’t have the experience.

    As assistant managers then sure I have no problem.

    Apart from this being a sport where winning is everything, it is also a £billion business. You don’t hire key management with little or no experience.

    Gazidis, Sven & Raul running things in the background also makes no sense.

  90. Victorious

    ‘Emery has been linked lol. Dear god please no.’

    quite surprised you scoff at Emery,would take him in a heartbeat, had PSG playing unbelievable football just this last season and would admit he’s not my most preferred candidate but he isn’t really far off and I think he’s very much underrated considering his achievements at both Sevilla and PSG,he could certainly do a better job than Nagelsman,Tedesco,Arteta,viera

  91. OleGunner

    Agreed with other Le Grove posters that Pedro’s obsession with Arteta being appointed is quite frankly bizarre.

    He’s not ready after only a year of coaching experience even at Man City.
    The needed rebuild job at Arsenal is immense and requires a touch of grit, experience and a proper winning mentality.

    I cannot imagine Arteta getting our pampered babies in line. In fact, I think Arteta would send us carening even further downwards.

  92. TitsMcGee

    Man there is something really poetically sad about all of this. Could have been avoided if it wasn’t for greed.

  93. Emiratesstroller

    I think that Arsenal’s net annual budget is almost certainly the money we receive in sponsorship from Emirates and Puma and that is around £50-60 million.

    Some years we spend more than that and in other years less. Arsenal spent last summer just under £50 million on Lacazette. Kolasinac was a freebie.

    Arsenal then proceeded to sell Szczesny, Gabriel, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Coquelin, Walcott and Giroud. That generated over £100 million.

    Aubameyang cost £60 million and Mkhitaryan arrived as an exchange for Sanchez.

    However, my guess is that Arsenal landed up with a substantial ‘agent’ cost over the exchange of the two players. Both agents involved in that deal are
    notorious for demanding large agents fees.

    Whilst the media has discussed a net £50 million transfer budget I am not so
    sure that will be the maximum we spend this summer despite what media has
    written.

    There must be additional surplus still available from this season’s sales and
    I would question whether Arsenal would restrict the budget to such a low figure when the club has had such poor away results and conceded so many goals.

    It is difficult to see Arsenal generating this summer large transfer fees from
    the current squad. The club has updated now contracts for many of the players. The two players under 30 whose contracts have not so far been renewed and due to expire in 2019 are Ramsey and Welbeck. So unless they are going
    to be sold I cannot see significant fees being generated.

    Nevertheless Arsenal appeared to change recently their accounting procedures and took out of the bank balances long term commitments. Therefore
    the balance shown last December was over £100 million and free from encumbrances.

    My guess is that money is now free for the club to use when required on transfers.

    Therefore I could see Arsenal still spending up to £100 million this summer
    allowing for 2-3 sales.

    I am fairly confident that the club will be buying a goalkeeper and an experienced centre back. That is going to cost alone around £50 million.

    Should the club decide upon buying an additional player most probably in midfield I doubt that they would get much change out of an additional £50
    million cost.