Arsene Wenger has switched his LinkedIn profile status to THIRSTY AS before the season is out.
“I don’t look very good on the beach,”
“How long would I like to work for? As long as I feel I want to. But overall people look at your age and make an issue of it. It becomes a bit of discrimination. They don’t really look how you work and perform. They look ‘oh he is old’. I can understand that as I thought the same when I was young.”
“I like the English saying: ‘you have to live every day like it is your last’ and one day you will be right.”
It’s like for a moment there, I thought there’d be some sort of self-reflection from our favourite old goat, but no… he’s militantly deluded until the very end.
No point in going hard at him, I’d like the man to land himself a job, I just feel like him casting this season off as some sort of age discrimination issue is missing the point.
It’s game over for him, so I should leave it.
But then you read a little further on in the interview and it makes you a little sad inside. He really loves the game. He’s totally desperate to be in the mixer again, and how could we deny him?
“You know I didn’t miss a training session in 22 years, I never stayed in my office. Every day I was out there. That is something that I will miss.”
“I keep myself fit, I can still play! If I was really objective then I would pick myself every week. We have staff games. I don’t play with the players, they are a bit too quick for me.”
The thing is, where can you find a job that’ll take you if you can’t perform in this era? The two longest-serving managers in the Premier League now are Sean Dyche and Eddie Howe. You can’t even take a job at Stoke now and expect to last out three years. Football has such high stakes these days. I wish he’d just listen to those around him and take a bit of time off. Write a book, do some punditry, get a radio show… there’s so much he could do with his life that’d give him status and celebrity. I just don’t see things working out positively at Everton or PSG.
Onto more exciting things… Arsenal fans have a favourite managerial candidate on their lips.
He has trophies by the truck, truck, truck
Tactics like what, what, what
Allegri move your butt, butt, butt.
I think I’ll sing it again
The suave Italian has piqued our interest, and everyone has him at the top of their list. My view? He has unfinished business in the CL with a team more than capable of winning it. Do we really think he’s going to leave a squad that needs minor tweaking before he’s won the biggest trophy of them all? I also think he’s angling for a big pay rise. He earns a pittance compared to the big dogs in the EPL.
Marotta looked to dampen the fire…
“With Allegri, we have a great rapport that has always worked well and still continues that way,”
“At the right time, after we accomplish the Scudetto, we will talk about the future, which I’m sure will be full of satisfaction together.”
He doesn’t seem too worried.
Allegri is tier one kinda guy, he’s an unbelievable coach, and he’s on top of his game, but it’s hard to ignore that he’s working in one of the most efficient structures in Europe. Juve are a dominant force, they can buy the best players, everything there is perfect for him. Things weren’t so great when he was at Milan. he won one title when Milan were the best team in a weak league, he choked the next season with the best squad, then he finished third after a summer of decimation because he signed Mad Mario, then he was fired. He nearly choked against us in the CL in the heat of the banter era. Milan fans don’t reflect on him fondly.
I am not saying he’d not turn us into a better proposition, but is he really built to deliver on an Arsenal brief? Certain managers work incredibly well under certain structures, with certain types of players, with a certain amount of money. Milan didn’t work for him, but he’s crushing Serie A under Juve conditions.
That’s why I love the idea of Jardim or Nagelsmann. The Portuguese is particularly adept at working with minimal resource, he’s a great coach, and he’s dynamic enough to work with what he has at his disposal. The same can be said of Paulo Fonseca who is at Shaktar, he’s a coach first and foremost. They look at the tools they have, and build something out of nothing. They’re not cheque-book managers, they proper coaches who work to improve what they have (bit like Poch).
Nagelsmann is also really interesting, he’s a student of coaching, having never played at the highest level due to injury. He’s proved his mettle taking a team in big trouble to the heights on Champions League football nearly two seasons in a row. If he can extract that much potential out of a crop of players with an average salary of £20k a week, imagine what he could do to our comparable megastars? He’s potentially the Jose Mourinho of 2018, and we have the chance to make the early first move on him.
You know my POV on the Arteta rumblings. What I like about him is he’s being raved about by Pep G, he’s won a Premier League in season two, he’s being credited with developing players, The Times report that City have him in line to take over from Pep G, and the whole vision of Pep football is geared around intense education of exacting ways to play the game, underpinned by ruthless discipline. Pair Arteta with an experienced assistant like Buvac (mysteriously moved on), and you might have a very exciting combination of aggressive innovative football.
My point in all of this is there’s no one right answer. Each manager flourishes in different scenarios, sometimes experience is needed, sometimes an injection of naivety and youthful exuberance does the trick. The key for me in all of this is Arsenal make sure they build the right team around whoever comes in. It really is a roll of the dice whether all the stars align to make magic happen. Look at Carlo, Champions League winner at Real, booted out of Bayern with rumours of relaxed training and a lack of tactical preparation. Look at Mourinho at United, an elite pair of safe hands that’s sucking the joy out of Sanchez, Pogba and Rashford. Even Conte, when given the chance to exact more power over transfers blasted £200m on utter dross, taking Chelsea from 1st to 5th inside a season.
Arsenal can make success with an elite manager at the top of his game, an experienced manager looking to cut it at the next level, or with a young buck with an exciting new vision of the game no one is prepared for.
Don’t write anything off, keep an open mind, and pray the club don’t fu*k things up by giving Alan Pardew a chance to make it in the big time.
x
Emiratesstroller Sorry but someone with purely coaching experience is not qualified to be the manager of Arsenal. It is absolutely a manager, not a coach we are after. Do you think Raul Sanllehi will decide who to sub on & off? Will Ivan Gazidis decide who to promote from the U21s? Will Ken Friar decide when to give a half time bollocking? Will Darren Burgess decide when a player needs a kick up the arse, and when they need an arm round the shoulder? Will a fan be selected every week on arsenal.com to come out and talk to the… Read more »
So after suffering a yesterday’s man who overstayed his welcome for about 12 years some people think it is prudent to give the reins over to a unproven mangerial neophyte like Arteta?
Especially when managers like Jardim, Allegri, Conte, Tuchel, on the market?
Why?
Because he’s cheap?
*FACEPALM*
You can take Wenger out of the club but apparently it seems we can’t take his mentality out of the minds of some people.
Where’s the ambition people? Do we not want to win the biggest trophies at our club anymore?
For goodness sake, are we a football club or not?!?
“ Tell me Charlie what kind of hopes and ambitions do YOU have for Arsenal in the immediate future?” I’ve wanted Allegri on here longer than anyone, so it’s fairly obvious what I want. Top 4 next season is a realistic aim for Arsenal under new management. You’re just being too thick to understand that some people would be willing to take the risk of an Arteta, entrusting that he’s got enough about him to manage the role. I’ve said I think he’s green, but I’m not going to spit the dummy out of they decide he’s ready. I’ll trust… Read more »
Arsenal and this blog should stop playing safe. We never competed for title. We always settled for 4th. Now we are not even 4th. We are close to Mid-table team. What’s next are we going to compete for Europa League SPOT… 1. Experiment with Kids Failed 2. Experiment with Homegrown Failed 3. Experiment with British core failed 4. Experiment with last minute panic buys failed 5. Experiment with FFP failed 6. 2-3 signings per TW failed. Whats next??? Experiment with Managers for next 10 years Arsenal should appoint some ruthless manager. This club needs a new spine. Why not go… Read more »
You’re understanding is shallow. Vieira is at New York because of branding, nothing else. Simply not true. Guaranteed he gets the City job in the future. Same reason they hoovered up big name players at the end of their careers Huh??? Who? How the fuck is Henry comparable to anyone sat in the Sky studio? Statement of a moron. First off relax cunt I haven’t insulated you. Secondly he was also coaching under whatever at Arsenal like apparently Arteta was when he was in fact injured his last season and whereas Arteta is a coach at City Henry is a… Read more »
I’ll trust their judgement
You’ve been criticising their judgement for months probably years but now you trust them to hire Arteta? You want Allegri but make an argument for Arteta? That to me is ridiculous. It’s the equivalent of head hunting a top candidate to become CEO but then making an argument for someone in the mailroom because he’s got a great work ethic. Look the argument is pointless it’s just arguing for arguings sake at this point
“But if he was going to leave, i’d think it would be Arsenal over Chelsea, fucking better be.”
Funny, I think exactly the opposite… I think Allegri would chose chelsea over Arsenal, in a heartbeat.
Why is everybody still carrying on about Arteta? Is there one credible source linking him to the job?
He deserves massive respect for what he achieved the season he joined, remember, between him, RVP and Song, they hauled our sorry arses over the top 4 line which, IMO, was a bigger achievement than the invincibles considering the sh!t show we were that year, but as a manager, joining us would be career suicide.
“Funny, I think exactly the opposite… I think Allegri would chose chelsea over Arsenal, in a heartbeat.”
I don’t agree, Arsenal, right at this very moment, has to be the most appealing job in world football
So, let me get this right… Because Ivan is unwilling to risk losing the power he has clawed back from Wenger, he wants to appoint a novice manager who is beholden to him. Despite offering Ozil 300k+ a week to play occasional games for us, we are scrimping over a mill a year or so for the new manager and hoping to bring in someone young on the cheap. Wenger won nothing this year despite having a top scout and DoF in place, yet the club are still not seeing the importance of having a capable manager who has demonstrable… Read more »
Marko
It’s arguing because you’re dense and inflexible to what’s right said. Nothing more than that, your last comment highlights as much.
As I stated prior, can’t be bothered with the hand holding today.
Marko, I have to side with Charlie here.
Your modus operandi rooted in pointing out hypocrisies of others, like some maintainer of records or policework.
Charlie can’t rate Arteta cause he doesn’t rate Henry.
I can’t criricise other players because I stick up for Ramsey.
Same for Paulinho.
TR7 can’t say good things about Lacazette because he is not a fan of Auba.
So many examples…
Unbelievably dense and such a fvcking bore.
Newsflash: A person can have different opinions on different matters. They don’t need to follow some general rule.
Gambon I knew Ken Friar personally. He started at the bottom of the ladder at Arsenal and went through the system at the club. Arsenal was of course a very small ‘hands on ‘ club when he became the club secretary and then its managing director. He was during his tenure responsible for contract negotiations and also was involved in the personality profiling which Arsenal adopted. The first club to do so was Liverpool according to what Ken told me. However, I doubt that Ken Friar ever gave a rollicking to players during a game. For the record it is… Read more »
Fair enough Charles. One last question though who’d you prefer Arteta Buvac or Domenek Torrent?
Emirates We need a manager to MANAGE the team. Naming the position “head coach” is rather daft because it undermines the individual from the outset. The players need to know who is in charge of the team. It’s not going to be a DoF or head scout who takes the fall for bad results…it is always the manager. Gazidis has to keep the egos of the new people in check because they will try to undermine the manager. It’s a very common scenario. You’re okay with us watering down the role and undermining the manager with some bogus “head coach”… Read more »
Newsflash: A person can have different opinions on different matters. They don’t need to follow some general rule.
Very true Rambo. But isn’t it hypocritical to overlook someone like Vieira and dismiss him entirely but at the same time make a case for Arteta? Are we not to judge the both of them equally? Like you for example judge Xhaka completely different to how you judge Ramsey. Is that fair? Maybe. But yeah fuck me who’s arguing for having neither Arteta or Vieira/Henry
Marko
Don’t be a salty tampon because you’re inflexible to opinion and perspective.
Arteta over those two, by a country mile. He’s played in the premier league, played at 4 massive clubs, and knows Arsenal inside out. Amongst those candidates it’s not even a discussion for me. Just some puerile setup by you no doubt.
@Steveyg87 : Chelsea will probably play ELC or UCL next season.
They have a great history with italians coachs.
If you consider the last decade, Chelsea is now above Arsenal, in terms of sportive challenge and prestige.
At Arsenal almost everything needs to be rebuilt… it makes more sense for a top world class coach to go to chelsea but it’s only my opinion…
Marko See there’s your epic density coming to the fore. Where’s the hypocrisy? I’ve stated exactly why I value Arteta over Vieira. Vieira is in a position of mockery imo, despite having links to huge clubs around the world where he could be coaching top tier talent, he’s playing big dicks in New York. It’s sunday league. Arteta sought elite right from the off, and politely told Arsenal to swivel when there was the opportunity to enhance his early learning. Again, that’s the type of ambition and desire to ply a craft that I rate. You’re the numpty reducing it… Read more »
Arteta over those two, by a country mile So Arteta is more qualified because he’s played in the premier league and Buvac and Torrent haven’t and he’s familiar with Arsenal. Then couldn’t you argue that Vieira who’s got more experience as a coach, actually has managed, has played in the premier league and is familiar with Arsenal is more qualified. I agree it’s getting boring and tedious this whole shite again I just don’t get how certain others can be totally dismissed but arteta is seen as a viable candidate for the Arsenal job. I kind of hope he gets… Read more »
Jacky boy appears to have gotten an improved offer. Weakness from the club
Dissenter
Guardiola’s job title at Man City is Head Coach and not Manager. So do you think that makes a difference to his control of the team?
As has been pointed out by Gazidis the role is completely different from that which Wenger had at the club.
Most people recognise that “manager” implies responsibility for coaching the first team, picking of team, transfers, fitness training, picking the formation of the reserve under 12 side and just about everything else bar cutting the grass. Wenger had this level of power. On the other hand, “head coach” implies just the coaching, the picking of the team and the tactics. Other bits get done by other people, like the recruitment, or the managing of players fitness as they hit the redzone. Fewer responsibilities, with a chance to focus on the actual playing. This also means that if you have to… Read more »
Henry clearly is more dedicated to be a pundit than a coach/manager. He turned down the full time job offer at Arsenal cause he couldn’t let go of Sky money. Namesake management role for a National team, give me a break. I’ll give Arteta his fair dues, he’s displayed dedication to become the best coach he can be. Offered a plush job under Arsene papa Wenger, he rejected it and instead chose Pepsy. We all know how much of a detail obsessed freak and perfectionist Pep is. No place for slackers and lay abouts in his team. Must make for… Read more »
Arteta sought elite right from the off Jesus Christ he’s down the pecking order at City he’s behind Brian fucking Kidd on the City bench and you’re making it sound like he’s on the cusp of greatness. He’s no more qualified for the Arsenal job than Buvac or Torrent are opportunity to enhance his early learning. One could argue that you’d learn early by doing which is what Vieira is doing. Vieira is doing everything a manager does right now and is still learning. Arteta has just been a coach for two years and that’s it. Look it’s finished I… Read more »
“Pepsy”, lol nice one.
In fact, whoever will be the next coach, the most important thing is that the board don’t take a decade to decide to get rid of him if he’s fail.
Biggles
Your job description and specification is precisely what Arsenal are looking for. They are not looking for a Manager.
For years posters on Le Grove have been critical of Wenger and how he controlled the club. Now it seems that they are happy to replicate the job.
“For the record it is now increasingly difficult to give top level players a rollicking, because they are far too well paid. That is in my view the problem at moment with Ozil who is by all accounts a very sensitive soul.” Absolute bollocks If a manger is not able to fire up a player by any means, then something has to give; either the manager is sacked or the player is moved on. Top managers still know how to set fires under their best players to make them better. Guardiola even does it on the field to opposition players… Read more »
My final point on it because I couldn’t care less about it but Wallace earlier said this
I’d be happy with any of Jardim, Arteta, Allegri or Ancelotti. would prefer Nagelsmann to experience life at a bigger club before I took a chance on him.
This is ultimately my point he wouldn’t mind Arteta but would prefer someone like Nagelsmann to experience life at a bigger club. Why is that? Ultimately why is Arteta being considered ready but people like Nagelsmann or Vieira aren’t? I agree that they aren’t but Arteta isn’t also
Dissenter
“Gazidis has to keep the egos of the new people in check because they will try to undermine the manager. It’s a very common scenario.”
Why would Sanllehi try to undermine a new manager he’s had major input into hiring?
Dissenter
Do you think that Ozil is going to be fired with the consequential financial cost?
Marko
I think Arteta is getting less scrutiny / criticism because he’s been “learning” under Pep.
I think people hope he’s picked up on the magic.
The one thing that everyone seems to be missing on here is what happened with Wenger to get him the push – mainly no CL football for a 2nd season and loads of empty seats.
Gazadis has put his balls firmly on the chopping block, if the new hire isn’t doing it or we miss out on CL football again (or it looks like we’re going to) the empty seats will reappear and it’ll be Gazadis getting the grief from the fans not the new manager.
Gazadis cannot afford a Moyes type mistake it’ll cost him his job.
Dissenter Frankly what do you or for that matter most of the posters here including me know about Arteta? The answer is you know absolutely nothing about him or for that matter his relationship with players. The problem is that any discussion about new managers is both speculative and lacking much real knowledge about how good or talented a coach is. Managers, Coaches and players are often as good or bad as the environment in which they work. A coach can be brilliant at one club and an absolute disaster at another. The one plus about Arteta is that the… Read more »
Is Moyes available, by the way ??
He is if the West Ham fans have anything to do with it!
Whoever comes in the defence for me is the big job to start with. We are currently the third highest scorers in the league and that was with a misfiring Sanchez, Giroud, Welbz and Lolcott for half a season. Throw in that Laca missed 6 weeks through injury scoring isn’t the issue. The defensive side of our game is the problem. we have the worst defence in the top 7. Clubs such as Brighton, Newcastle & Burnley have conceded less. Barring stoke, all the other clubs in the relegation dogfight have only conceded 6-7 goals more than us. If money… Read more »
Marko
Please divulge the details of Artetas roe at City, because clearly you have some insider info to make these claims about pecking orders and the like?
I’ve read he’s very highly regarded, and has been credited with gradually more and more input from a coaching perspective to the point Pep very much sees him as number two. Pedro alludes to the same.
So where’s your ‘he’s behind Brian Kidd’ stuff coming from? because it appears you’re basing that entirely on length of time he’s been there. Which again, goes back to you being just a touch special/obtuse.
Emiratesstroller I don’t know why you refuse to acknowledge the weak position Arsenal is in currently. I mean, its bonkers that you compare us to Barca and Madrid. All well and good, aiming to replicate the sort of management structures they have got in place. And maybe one day, we can. But there are a lot of steps that need climbing before achieving that. First step is to get back to CL and start asserting ourselves as PL contenders. Right now we are sixth, with a squad that needs heart surgery and yes you’re damn right, a lot of us… Read more »
“I mean, its bonkers that you compare us to Barca and Madrid.”
FFS, on which drugs is he on ??
Would gladly have ancelotti for a couple of seasons to steady the ship, get us back to the top four, then if he cant get a title challenge look at replacing him.
2-3 players should get us top four with an outside chance of even better.
if you want to go untried I would rather have PV4 than Arteta.
Emirates
I’m not surprised that you’ve become so trusting of Gazidis and the new hires; Sanlehi and Mislintat, that you would be willing to take a chance on Arteta.
I also recall that you thought Mertasacker as academy manager was an excellent choice.
You do enjoy rolling the dice, don’t you.
I see the northern eggplant is desperately trying to snipe at my heels.
My 10 week old soft coated wheaten terrier puppy does that very well already.
I just wish eggplant would make an independent opinion or engage in a meaningful conversation. All I see is weak sniping and flat comebacks.
Going from Wenger and current situation, the obvious choice has to be Allegri. We’d immediately cease from moving the ball around with zero purpose, defensively organized a double pivoting midfield whose deepest lying player would have a physicality to him we don’t at the moment have in side. With other being a pinpoint passer like Pirlo or Pjanic. If they loose ball in opponents half they counter press heavy to get ball back and if they don’t Juve shift into a 442 to defend. Narrow as fuck. On the offense Allegri receives too much criticism as being defensive minded, when… Read more »
CC
You’ve gone from Allegri to Arteta overnight?
Are you just doing your best Keyser-esque impression here.?
Rambo Ramsey Yes you are 100% correct that our target for next season will be a top 4 place in EPL. That was what I wrote earlier today. However, whilst everyone is very busy turning Arsenal into a second class club I would remind you all that Man Utd have not won the league title for 5 years and failed to make top 4 place on two occasions. Also Chelsea look like being out of top 4 for the third time in 5 years. Both these clubs have thrown huge sums at transfers at that time and turned over their… Read more »
May I just say that signing up that piece of shit to another three years tells me arsenal aren’t in this for the winning.
Arsene is gone and the same pathetic behaviour remains. What exactly has Wilshere done to have earned him that lifetime contract?
What exactly have arsenal seen that has told them to piss millions away on this imbecile?
I’m speechless.
Allegri, Ancelotti…
The main question is : why coming in a club where you’ll have no UCL to play ??
(… when you are a top manager)
I live and work close to Leicester. Rumours abound that Wenger could replace puyol !.for fcks sake, I can’t get away from Wenger. My wife’s family are all Leicester, I’ve warned them.
Anyway, the sooner we get the new manager in, the quicker we can rebuild. Its gonna be a foundation to roof rebuild….we need about 8 players.
“Allegri, Ancelotti…
The main question is : why coming in a club where you’ll have no UCL to play ??”
Because the only way is up. Better to buy into something which has scope for improvement rather than one where getting better is that much harder. With our resources, the chances of improving are a lot higher than things getting worse, in my opinion.
Leicester would be relegated if Wenger took over.
Chat shit, get banged.
Guns,
where have you seen jack has resigned?
not on sky news or arsenal.com
Another ranting but misdirected comeback from the northern eggplant.
You’re yet to show independent thinking here.
Attacking people for having a different opinion isn’t original thinking
I think it’s hugely unlikely arsenal will employ someone like allegri or even conte. An ‘elite’ coach won’t take on a job where he’s at such a big financial disadvantage. Equally, I don’t see the club going for a second tier option like Benitez, although I think he’d do a decent job. It’s too predictable and unexciting. A more left field appointment seems likelier and I think arteta is looking the likeliest. He hasn’t managed but he’s worked with pep, know the PL and knows arsenal. He also won’t ask for or expect loads of money. Will it work? That… Read more »
Up 4 grabs
It’s on football 365, Mail, Newsfeed etc.
Three year with an option for a fourth.
Up4grabs
John Cross reported in the Mirror, and everyone else piled in following that.
“Arsenal have now improved the basic offer and the pay-as-you-play part of the deal and as long as he is playing regularly then it will represent a significant rise.”
“Arsenal are hoping to finalise and announce the deal which would be a major boost as Wilshere is a huge favourite with the fans who are desperate for him to stay.”
Now where’s Bob?!
“Wilshere is a huge favourite with the fans who are desperate for him to stay.”
Who? And why?
I don’t know a single Gooner that rates Wilshere. Not one.
Goals. No. Tackles. No. Assists. No.
What does a Jack Wilshere do except look a bit silly puffing his chest out and shouting at a referee or player that is a foot taller than him?
cheers guns & Elmo,
the only thing he brings is what welbz brings, there both home-grown and sufficient squad player. neither are first eleven players so I suppose they have there uses.
but those positions they do occupy need an up grade.
Martial to demote welbz, and any body not English to please BoB!
Up for grabs
I don’t get this homegrown quota bullshit. Why pay a prick like Jack millions and keep welbeck in football when we could just promote a kid from the youth team?
Honestly, after the Ozil debacle I would have thought arsenal would have woken the fuck up and realised that Jack is a dead horse.
Wilshere signing on isn’t a bad thing it gives the new manager a bigger squad to work with and we can also sell him in a year for a decent fee.
He’s English and will carry the usual premium. If we got £20 million it adds to the coffers.
Elmo,
Think the news has probably placed poor old racist Bob on suicide watch!
Ha Ha.
Marc
No one wants Wilshere. He’s out of contract and not a single club came in for him. He’s utter shit.
Arsenal now have just done another Ozil on Wilshere.
Just when you thought arsenal turned a corner by getting rid of the vampire, they pull this shit.
Just when you think forward progress is being made you see Wilshire getting new deal.
Thanks Leeds, those boys are fun.
£20,000,000 over four years.
Arsenal. Wilshere. Wages.
Games played. 25
Goals scored. 2
Tackles made. 15
Assists. 1
Chest puffs. 1,700
Shouting at referee. 6,000
On bum waving arms. 500
Money well spent if you ask me.
Anyone remember when city destroyed us about 5-0 a few years ago and they played a 4 1 5? I think Yaya just played midfield on his own against Ramsay, Wilshere etc.
Seriously.
Strongly advised by Wenger to re sign.?
Jack must be on cloud nine.
You can’t make it up .?
Signing Wilshere on a long term contract is indeed the right thing to do.
Home grown – yes
Can still play a role in the squad -yes
England internation yes. This is very important. He’s the only Arsenal player who may make the England team [Welbeck has an outside shot.
Letting him leave on a free is unwise, as much as it may look like cleaning house.
Once he signs an extension, he becomes sell-able if the new manager does not rate him next summer. We would be able to recoup some of the monies invested in him.
Aubergine you say dissenter doesn’t even have a modicum of football knowledge then say you’d prefer to talk to someone who doesn’t use hyperbole…hmmm…
Guns
Letting him go for free makes no sense though
Resign him and we might still be able to make something in the near future. His wages wont prohibit a future transfer unlike Ozil’s.
Decisions decisions I could watch potential future Arsenal manager Max Allegri take on Milan later in the Italian cup final hoping to win his 9th major honour as manager or I can watch Pep Guardiola’s Man City take on Brighton in the hope of catching a glimpse of Arteta
Even Wilshere must realise he has to stop flattering to deceive and start pulling his finger out. Hopefully our new coach will be able to get the best out of him, because all Wenger did was make excuses for him. Under a proper coach he ould be a game changer like a Verratti… but under Wenger he was allowed to stagnate and pretend he was still a youngster. If he can we will have a £60m player easily, if he can’t we need to face the facts and get rid next season. If we don’t we will be repeating the… Read more »
Marc
“Wilshere signing on isn’t a bad thing it gives the new manager a bigger squad to work with and we can also sell him in a year for a decent fee.”
That makes sense…..very rare on here ,especially from the obsessives.(which you’re not)
*next season’s end
Dissenter
Signing him up makes no sense either. No one wants him. He’s 26/27, injury ravaged, no discernible ability and about 5’4.
We should have cashed in two years ago. Now, we’ve got another expensive nobody on the books.
Sorry Dissenter, this move doesn’t work for me.
Signing up Wilshere is stupid. Lad has honestly contributed very little over the last few years he’s been living off of one good half against Barcelona years ago. It’s pathetic really and mentioning that keeping him is good for the home grown quota what we can’t find better players who fill the same quota? Stupid decision.
“Wilshere signing on isn’t a bad thing it gives the new manager a bigger squad to work with and we can also sell him in a year for a decent fee.”
He’s been here for years and we haven’t sold him so I don’t get why signing him to a new deal will all of a sudden mean that we will in the future. And improved terms? For what?
Wilshere’s not the worst player in the world but he’s not worth the wages. For me he should be on the same rate as el neny.
Regardless, maybe we can cash in for 15+ mil in January if west ham or some other over eager mugs are willing to cough up?
Guns Let me explain Jack signs on for 100k weekly [not an extravagant salary] If he regains some of his quality then it’s a win. He stays healthy for one season then the new manager decides that he’s not in his plans. We will be able to move in on for a pretty penny unlike now when he leaves for free. This is still a win. This lad is an academy player who’s had tonnes of Arsenal investment poured into him, all through his relentless injuries. Why let him leave for ZERO transfer fee? Imagine if we had let Van… Read more »
Wilshere at 100k weekly seems about right.
It’s a reduction from his current wages.
That’s a salary that makes it possible to move him out on unlike Ozil’s mega wages.
Kudos to the transfer management team. They low-balled the offer knowing fully well they would have to yield a bit more at the end.
Dissenter
Comparing RVP to Wilshere isn’t really the thing, is it?
RVP was a producer regardless of the injuries. The guy is our seventh highest scorer of all time and he missed 200 games!
Wilshere offers the sum total of zero…and he knows it. No one wants him. Not one club…even on a free. He couldn’t buy a game at Bournemouth.
Sorry, this is another stinker from arsenal. Do you honestly think he’ll leave arsenal? No chance. He’s got a job for life now. Unsellable for all the wrong reasons.
Another Ozil.
HighburyLegend
May 9, 2018 16:31:28
Allegri, Ancelotti…
The main question is : why coming in a club where you’ll have no UCL to play ??
……..
Mourinho joined Man Utd when they had no champions league, they are finishing second this season and may go a place higher next.
life is not all about now but future.
Shaqiri rates a better player than Jack.
I have always liked Jack but his game has deteriorated
drastically over the last few years since his injury.
Shaqiri has more about him than Jack and would get you more goals.
It’s a false economy to re sign Jack it’s all about will he regain his form
and for me looking at him that’s a big doubt.
Too much navel-gazing going on here. I think Ivan will make a sound informed choice. This is his big moment. After all he has been quite machiavellian (quite rightly) in his approach to undermining AW to get to this cross-road. We do need to move on quite a bit of junk to add to the kitty, which is reported to be £50m. That said, I think with SM making some wise buys, we might compete with the addition of a keeper, a defender and a midfielder. What kind of manager is going to make this work? most of the mentions… Read more »
Jack never had any fucking form. 45 okay mins against Barca 10 years ago has basically given this little scrotum a career.
Other than that, is there anything else we can remember he did? Or does?
He likes a fag and niteklubs with Ravewobi. Other than that, zilch.
Guns “Sorry, this is another stinker from arsenal. Do you honestly think he’ll leave arsenal? No chance. He’s got a job for life now. Unsellable for all the wrong reasons.” Yes I think he will leave Arsenal if the new manager tells him hes not in his plans for the 2019-2020 season. If he stays healthy, i can imagine that there will be 3-4 clubs willing to take a chance on a 28 year old England international trying to earn his place in the Euro 2000 championship. He is not like Ozil because 100k weekly is affordable by many teams… Read more »
I’m so angry, im choking on my rage.
Dissenter
Let’s reconvene in 2019 and compare notes ha ha.
The Wilshere news is really putting a damper on our new-manager excitement. I mean, objectively it’s not that bad to keep the guy around on a pay-as-you-play deal. It’s just frustrating when we’re trying to advance as a club but still clinging to someone who only sporadically produces in short bursts.
My conundrum is this. Are all our squad players like Wilshere as bad as the league table suggests they are? Or did they play under their potential because they grew comfortable and complacent under Wenger?
The case in point is the Ox, the boy looked rejuvenated under Klopp… before he became injured!
I personally don’t want to let our best squad players like Jack go until we see how they perform under a modern coach.
The Portuguese is particularly adept at working with minimal resource, he’s a great coach, and he’s dynamic enough to work with what he has at his disposal. I do not buy into that as we were told that the club was sitting on piles of cash which the manager would not spend. Are we to believe that this was a lie? Now that we have cleared the dead wood, the club should go out in the market and get us the best players and the best manager around to challenge for the PL. This is what a club like AFC… Read more »
James Wood love the Shaqiri shout. A proper winger that plays with passion. We could use one of those. Sure beats the hell out of shoving another striker out wide.
@ Leedsgunner
Wilshere is so good he even struggled to get games at Bournemouth.
Leeds
Surely it HAS to be down to the individual, no? If Wilshere wants to be the best he can be, he would, regardless of the manager. That’s too convenient to suggest that a player needs a manager to bring the best out of them.
Surely a good player is a good player. Normally players survive managerial changes a lot.
How many managers has Messi had? Ronaldo?
For me, Jack is all bluster. He doesn’t have the tools. No height, no pace, no dribble, no goals, little strength. I don’t see anyone working with it.
MGooner
Fair enough point re Wilshere. 😉
A couple of quick points: 1) Arsene has been so classy over his departure but needs to stop talking that we can compete for the next title with just three new players. As it stands we’re 34 points off Man City and 11 points away from 4th place. Liverpool are 12 points ahead and have a 57m player already locked in for next season in Keita. Compare that to our reported 50m transfer budget for next season. He’s alredy putting unnecessary pressure on his successor. 2) Signing Wilshere is probably good business. Let’s say it’s a 3 year deal at… Read more »
What an utter joke if Wilshere gets another contract. Offers nothing. Goals? Nope? Assists? Nope? Tackles? Nope? Covers ground well? Nope. So barring pathetic emotional arguments like “he’s Arsenal through and through” there’s really no reason to keep him around.
GofH
I get your point but a good coach can make an average player good, a good player excellent, and an excellent player world class.
Ironically we only have to see how Wenger transformed Henry and Pv4 to see that.
If you want a modern example look at how Pep has transformed Sterling.
@BacaryisGod
We need players in our team who can push us to the title.
Where are the winners in the squad? Where are the players who will stand up and be counted when we are away to City, the Chavs or the Tiny Totts.
We have good ball playing midfielders but none of them are winners.
ManUtd did not win anything for 8 years with RedNose. They won only when they bought Cantona. He was a winner and tought them to win.
We have no winners. We only have footballers paid to play and click selfies.