Arsene Wenger delivers his final European disaster class™

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Well, this is tough.

It’s a real mixed bag of feelings when you step up to write a post about a manager who is dying a painful metaphorical death in an undignified manner. Arsene Wenger looked like a stray dog tonight. One hit by two cars on a Spanish motorway, writhing in agony, hoping a juggernaut would make it quick and easy.

It took 180minutes, but the outcome was never really in doubt. In 2018, there was to be no fairytale ending for Wenger. Simeone controlled the both legs, like a cat with a mouse between its paws. The real torture was giving fans hope that there was a chance of escape.

At every level, Arsene-al were exposed.

Madrid survived the first leg through dogged determination, exceptional planning and an intense dedication to the gospel of the clean sheet.

The second leg was a little simpler. Make it all about Diego Costa. The Spanish/Brazilian picked up where he left off at Chelsea (pre-cup final). In the opening 6 minutes, he brutalised our backline, proving he was the alpha male. From an Oblak hoof, he won the first ball brushing Koscielny over, then swatting Monreal away with ease for a lash at our goal. It was humiliating to watch, I felt like a troubled parent seeing his kids decked on the playground, I wanted to run onto the pitch with a blanket and shout ‘you monster’ at Diego for bullying my babies.

Sadly, no one could intervene in the inevitable, Thomas Partey (who was excellent) won the ball in the middle of the park finding Griezmann, the Frenchman released Costa in behind Bellerin, the chipped finish evaded Ospina, and flatlined our hopes. So predictable he’d have that sort of game against a team that’s never really come to grips with his real-life boogeyman persona. Almost cruel he’d do that in Wenger’s last European match.

I’d be foolish to put it all on bad Diego juju, but his leadership from the front inspired a world-class Atleti defensive performance that limited Arsenal to 1 Xhaka shot on target all evening. Really poor considering our MO is apparently attacking football. I will give credit to Chambers who performed really well after coming on for Kos, who sadly looks like he’s in very bad shape for the future.

Outside that, Arsenal struggled with the usual issues. Jack Wilshere and Xhaka failed to impact the game under harsh pressing from Atleti, Ozil melted into nothingness showing the club have indeed made a huge mistake giving him a mega-deal under duress this year, Lacazette was easily absorbed by towering performances from Godin and co. We didn’t have many options on the bench, not that Wenger had done any sort of scenario planning to chase the game if things weren’t going his way against a resolute defensive team.

There was one moment when a ricocheted ball found its way into Ramsey’s path, I counted 4 Atleti players who were alert to the ball, it was unreal focus and animalistic determination to keep the clean sheet that muzzled the chance. I miss that sort of care for defending.

It was an ‘almost’ game. One that we’ve seen so many times over the years against teams that don’t really like possession. You’re convinced there’s a shred of hope, but the reality is Atleti had a next level, Arsene Wenger’s side absolutely did not. Men against boys. We were totally schooled in tactics, intensity and desire.

What this exit did prove is this: The campaign to remove Wenger was entirely correct. The people that fought for his continuation in the face of damning evidence were enablers of the rot. Martin Keown made a brutal attack on Ozil after the game that’s stealing a lot of headlines.

“And it’s almost like somebody needed to grab him a long time ago and give him a shake and say ‘we’re trying to get the ball to you, we are working for you but you’re not working for us’.

“I bet he doesn’t play again this season. He’ll have some emotional breakdown and won’t be able to play at the weekend.

“I don’t know how many illnesses he’s had this season. The fella is not kidding me. That is not a proper performance. He’s not giving everything and there’s much more under the bonnet. Somebody else will find it.

I’m game for digging the German out for another insipid performance, but let’s take a step back, where was Keown when Wenger was tanking the side over the last 5 years?

This was him in 2015:

“Arsene Wenger decides when he leaves Arsenal. The topic of Wenger comes up all the time and I think we should allow the great man to decide when he goes,”

This was him Feb last year:

“If he was to go at the end of the season I’m not sure the club would be ready. Which manager they would turn to?

“We’ve seen Jurgen Klopp and Pep Guardiola arrive at Liverpool and City and they’ve not been successful either in terms of winning trophies.”

Arsenal has missed out on so many great managers over the last 6 years because of enabling comments like the above, along with the consistent drumbeat of ‘well, who else is there?’ from so-called experts. Now where are we? Our team is in tatters, we’re 6th in the league with Burnley breathing down our necks and our rebirth job is going to need £200m, but we only have £50m to do it with because we wasted £150m on a manager who has been a disaster with the chequebook.

… but here’s the thing. At least the Arsene Wenger chapter of our story is now over. I’d take any scenario over his on-going tenure. If the cost of him leaving is a stand in his name, so be it. I’ll carve the name plaque tomorrow and arrange the party to announce it.

Being predictably humiliated in major competitions will now be a thing of the past. I’m not saying we won’t have bad moments, but we’ll have less of them, and if we’re being beaten consistently in the same way, the manager will pay a price. We’ll be like a real football club again.

We’ll hire a manager who can build a defence, imprint an attacking philosophy and provide innovative answers for the issues that happen on the pitch. We’ll move away from thinking values trump results. It’ll be magnificent.

I’m not saying I want a win-at-all-costs scumbag in charge, I’m just saying I want someone at the helm who can offer up an intelligent path forward for a club desperately lacking an identity. I want an exciting philosophy, I want a disciplined pressing style, I’d like someone to bring joy back to the Arsenal.

A club of our size and reported ambition should be fighting to be the best. We should be an excitement cauldron everyone wants to be bubbling in. We should be challenging past March. We should have a chance of winning major trophies when we’re in the semi-final. We should never be beaten before the game has started.

That’s coming.

Arsene going out of the Europa League a failure is sadly what he deserves, it’s what the club deserves. Why? Because sentimentality has no place in elite sport, and we’ve allowed the ‘thanks for the stadium’ tour go on for far too long. Our legendary manager had three chances of a glorious send-off over the past 4 years and he greedily middle fingered them all, with no one around him gutsy enough to tell him to quit while he had an open top bus parked outside Colney. Instead, he tried to make progress bend to his regressive whims, foolishly thinking the past was his future accountability. He treated the club like his own personal fiefdom and Arsenal became a weird lifestyle job for a rich old man no one could ask to leave. The ending was never going to be pretty, but now it’s well and truly over.

Wenger: 22 years in charge, 22 seasons of European football, 2 finals, 0 trophies.

A sorry return when all is said and done.

… but, I can promise you this, the next 22 years will deliver more.

We are The Arsenal, and things are about to start looking up. The future is bright, and now we can start getting truly excited for the next chapter.

See you in the comments.

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  1. Leftsidesanch

    nicely coined title, no passion yesterday, no belief and out of ideas relatively early on.

  2. MrT

    Hey DM. This was before 10am. What happened? The Atletico game making you skip work ? Wenger in!!

  3. DM

    MrT, I never said I can’t do BEFORE 10am – many of my tr4phies have been at the 9am post. I just can’t do AT 10am as I’m always driving or away from my desk between around 930 and 1030

  4. Ash

    Honestly, this feels more and more like kicking the man, the team and the fans while they are down. I dont think Wenger was to blame for either the home result or away performance (both performances were overall, pretty strong).

    I will be glad when this season is over, Wenger is gone and I might be able to come back to this blog, which I do enjoy. Honestly it just feels like ‘i told you so’ and the kicking of a once great man while he is down.

  5. Danny

    After the first leg and their away goal, we needed to attack from the start and really have a go at them even if it would mean them scoring but no, all because of the bloody Wenger way.
    We had ONE shot on target!!!!
    Thank god he’s been sacked, just such a shame we had to suffer crap football for so many years like last nights display.
    Awful and useless.
    I hated Wenger before last night and now I hate him even more.

  6. Bob N16

    Summed it up nicely. Can’t wait for the season to be over. Announce the new coach and get on with planning for next season.

    At the game last night. Apart from the goal, we defended okay. Thought at times we created some good openings but final pass and ability to get a shot off were nowhere near good enough.

    I am in the Wilshere out camp, we need to make room for an upgrade, but I thought yesterday was his best game in a while.

  7. Thanos

    We do need a home grown quota so I think that will save Wilshire I would rather get rid of welbz the guy is shocking

  8. steve

    “Honestly, this feels more and more like kicking the man, the team and the fans while they are down. I dont think Wenger was to blame for either the home result or away performance (both performances were overall, pretty strong). I will be glad when this season is over, Wenger is gone and I might be able to come back to this blog, which I do enjoy. Honestly it just feels like ‘i told you so’ and the kicking of a once great man while he is down.”

    ___

    Well what do you expect? Wenger has brought all this on himself. If he had the sense to leave earlier none of this would’ve happened. His fault. All the criticism he’s getting is warranted.

  9. Champagne charlie

    Allegri is the one, demanding, charismatic, bold, and a winner.

    We have a superb footing for the future, I don’t care what any halfwit wants to say about that.

    The right managerial appointment plus a few (note few, not wholesale) changes and we can start next season with renewed enthusiasm and excitement of times ahead.

  10. Champagne charlie

    “All the criticism he’s getting is warranted”

    Except it isn’t. Never has been, he’s frankly always been the whipping boy for ALL of Arsenal’s faults/failures.

    That’ll become ever clearer moving forward, but Wenger has gotten far more flak than he’s deserved. He leaves our greatest manager, we’re in great shape, people could do with just drawing a line and looking forward.

  11. WrightIsGod

    Watched the game from the box at the Emirates and Thomas was their best player in the first leg.

    Come through the Madrid youth system.

  12. WrightIsGod

    Pedro pushing the Keown narrative to cause a stir.

    You could wheel out quotes from all ex arsenal pundits veering away from criticising Wenger.

    When you’ve played for a manager and won things with him it’s a lot harder to call for his head.

    The criticism for Ozil remains valid and are TWO DIFFERENT things.

  13. Black Hei

    Sentimentality has no place in business.

    But it remains with individuals.

    Good bye Wenger and have a good rest

  14. GOONER4EVER

    Absolutely don’t agree with many points in your post,and the worst one is when you said “The campaign to remove Wenger was correct

    Don’t agree that Simeone controlled both matches.We had many opportunities in both legs,and did’nt get the the result because of some inaccurate finish in the final third and NOT because of Simeone controlling the game.It looks that some people are exited that Wenger is leaving but I can assure everyone that He will long be remembered for his Philosophy,in making Arsenal from a BORING TEAM to a FOOTBALL TEAM ADMIRED AROUND THE WORLD.Gooners do NOT FORGET THIS GREAT GENTLEMAN for the STADIUM STATE OF THE ART,THE 21 YEAR CONSECUTIVE RECORD IN ECL,3 CHAMPIONSHIPS,49 RECORD UNBEATEN RUN,5 FA CUPS,1 FC CUP AND ABOVE ALL HE MADE ARSENAL THE PRIDE OF LONDON.I HOPE WE CAN FIND A REAL REPLACEMENT

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  15. Vintage Gun

    ” I’m always driving or away from my desk between around 930 and 1030″

    So just like Arsenal you also can’t perform whilst travelling away DM?

  16. steve

    @CC

    “He leaves our greatest manager”

    Erm no he doesn’t.

    @GOONER4EVER

    “It looks that some people are exited that Wenger is leaving”

    Of course we’re excited he’s leaving. Why the fuck wouldn’t we be?

  17. Paulinho

    Ozil’s attitude is an issue, but for me it’s just that he is way more limited as a player than people realise.All this attitude talk deflects away from the real issue, which is that he is limited in several areas and becomes extremely predictable and one-dimensional against a certain standard of defensive structure.No amount of effort from him will change that. In fact the more he tries to force things the worse he gets.

    Keown can’t seem to make his mind up what his issue is with Ozil. On one hand he talks about not working hard enough, and on the other he kind of inadvertently identifies the real problem, which is him not demanding the ball enough, Even that’s the only the tip of the iceberg. He can demand it all he wants, but he’s too limited regardless.

  18. SUGA3

    Absolutely dogshit performance last night. We watched it with my mate who himself is a competitive team sport player. The moment the camera showed the team lined up to walk out onto the pitch, the moment we agreed their body language was all wrong.

    Heck, you could even tell that how eager they were to walk out. You would think they were Leyton Orient coming out to play Barcelona. So inspired. Not!

    I particularly did not like the look of Koscielny leading out the team. He genuinely did not look like he wanted to be there. Real shame about the injury tho. Both for him and for the club.

  19. GalaxyGooner

    Why was Ozil given a new contract.
    Because you need a big name to attract big names who aren’t there just for the money
    1 Aubemeyang
    2 Ozil
    3 lacazette
    4 Ramsey
    5 Monreal
    6 Xhaka
    7 El Nieny
    8 Bellerin

    The rest can be sold to raise money for new signings .
    Just add 5 good players .

    A playmaker ( Cazorla’s heir) for the mediocre Wilshere .

    2 centre backs to replace our shambolic backline

    1 defensive midfield brute

    1 left winger .

    With a good defense , we can get away with the goalkeeping issue .

    Those

  20. Black Hei

    Paulinho

    No, I think the issue is that our trio of Xhaka, Ramsey and Wilshire are not suited to play Wengerball in the mid.

    By Wengerball, I meant the really beautiful possession based football served up during the kiddo years, 2006 to 2011.

    The only time Arsenal played Wengerball in the last 7 years was a very brief period when we had Carzola-Coquelin as the core. That last like 9 months out of 96.

  21. OleGunner

    Agreed with you Pedro about Wenger giving the middle finger and refusing to leave at any one of the opportunities presented to him the last 4 years.

    I feel nothing for him tbh. A fitting end to his career at Arsenal that perfectly illustrates the last 10 years under him.

  22. GalaxyGooner

    ThanosMay 4, 2018 09:29:07
    We do need a home grown quota so I think that will save Wilshire I would rather get rid of welbz the guy is shocking

    Wilshere had had his chance . Time to send him elsewhere .

    Let Maitland Nyles have a go at the quota . Heck I would have Mr Cajones from watford in his place

  23. Paulinho

    Black Hei – That’s an overall issue, which I agree with, but I’m talking about Ozil.

    You probably think he is some perfect ‘Wengerball’ player. I don’t.

  24. Vintage Gun

    “He leaves our greatest manager, we’re in great shape, people could do with just drawing a line and looking forward.”

    Huh? How?

    We’re currently in the worst shape during Wengers ENTIRE reign.

    We’ve literally lost EVERY away match since the turn of the year regardless of opposition

    This defeat means that he leaves us out of the CL for the last two years as domestically we’re stuck in a pathetic 6 place damn near FORTY!!! (hahaha) points off the champions.

    And our playing squads a custard coloured,overpaid, tactically inept, pass the buck, pass the shot mess.

    So yeah, Great shape how?

  25. SUGA3

    But anyway: glad this death by a thousand cuts nonsense is finally coming to an end. Been all for sacking Wenger for the best part of the decade.

    Now it is up to the club to get it right. I think this team is better than its performances, so it is not like we have to go into fire sale mode, followed by a trolley dash.

  26. Frankie Coffeecakes

    Three more to go and this season is mercifully over. The only bonus is that Wenger’s Arsenal career is over in three as well.

  27. gambon

    What an absolute mess Wenger has made of recent years.

    Honestly, over the next 2 years I think we need to get rid of pretty much every player in our squad.

    This squad is a reflection of its manager, a bunch of frightened, kids with no accountability and no drive who are just happy to compete, not win.

    What the fuck are we going to do about Mesut Ozil? He is an absolutely dreadful player.

    Im sure the inevitable pre-assist he gets on the last day of the season will have all the AKB hipsters telling us we dont know about football, and about how he uses his intelligence to manipulate shadows or some other vague non-existent bullshit.

    Ozil is a complete fraud, and was found out in his first season, when he choked against Bayern, was appalling against Liverpool in the 5-1…….yet he’s still here and he’s the second highest paid player in the PL.

    Ive seen people say we need 3-4 players. Absolute bollocks. The fact is Cech, Ospina, Mustafi, Koscielny, Bellerin, Xhaka, Wilshere, Ozil, Welbeck, Iwobi should never play for this club again.

  28. englandsbest

    Hooray for optimism! Wenger’s reign is over.

    But let’s not get sentimental about him, his love affair was always with himself. Still is. He’ll be strutting his stuff with some other Club or country soon enough.

    The idea of anointing him in any way is anathema.

  29. Guernsey gunner

    The tie summed up his last 10 years, had we scored so would they as Pedro said over 2 legs it was cat with a mouse stuff. As for the mess he leaves …..well I still think a proper modern manager can get more out the squad. Let’s not kid ourselves he leaves a solid team / squad it’s nothing of the sort. This seasons away form and goals conceded tells you all you need to know.

  30. GalaxyGooner

    PaulinhoMay 4, 2018 10:12:51
    Black Hei – That’s an overall issue, which I agree with, but I’m talking about Ozil. You probably think he is some perfect ‘Wengerball’ player. I don’t.

    Ozil is the “icing on the cake” kind of player .
    He is kinda of a luxury in this mid table arsenal team . Give him to Liverpool though and you will see a different beast .
    What is obvious in the last year is that tactically, we have not seen the roving around ozil who has no fixed position.
    This has to do with the absence of cazorla the mesmerizer who playmakes from deep , join in attack ,totally disrupts the opponents defensive plans and force multiplies in attack by becoming the Extra striker

  31. Black Hei

    Paulinho

    The perfect Wengerball players are Carzola, Rosicky and Fabregas; IMO.

    They pass, they move, they overwhelm.

    When it clicks, it is really good to watch.

    The last 7 years has been dry in football beauty, despite the trophies.

  32. Vintage Gun

    Oh and good post pedro.

    Diego Costa made it look like we were defending against a nephilim at times last night. Completely out powered and fair play to him his Bane performance scared our bunch of Robins and Catwomen.

    Bullied his way to the final

  33. GalaxyGooner

    One strategy I noticed from Athletico Madrid over the two legs is what they did with Bellerin.
    I can imagine Simeone saying .

    ” Look at that guy Bellerin, Let him have the ball and don’t get too close . He does not know how to cross. Just keep a eye on him but concentrate on the other overlapping fullback “

  34. gonsterous

    can’t wait for wenger to come out and blame his announcement to quit arsenal as the reason why we didn’t win the EL or finish higher…

  35. GoonerInNY

    People still defending Wenger. I find it amazing. Psychologists should study the devotion to the man in the face of all the evidence of disaster.

    Great piece, Pedro. I honestly don’t understand feeling bad for a guy who has done so much damage to the club. I can’t wait until he’s gone so the club can start the process of rebuilding. What a mess he’s left.

  36. champagne charlie

    “I honestly don’t understand feeling bad for a guy who has done so much damage to the club. I can’t wait until he’s gone so the club can start the process of rebuilding. What a mess he’s left.”

    Hyperbolic nonsense. Get a grip, Jesus…

  37. Paulinho

    Charlie – You do realise Ramsey and Ozil are held to two entirely different standards?

    By the footballing world, and by virtue of the fact one earns about three times much as the other.

    Ramsey has certain qualities and flaws. If I list his flaws no one will bat an eyelid, so there is no point.

  38. Marko

    We have a superb footing for the future, I don’t care what any halfwit wants to say about that. The right managerial appointment plus a few (note few, not wholesale) changes and we can start next season with renewed enthusiasm and excitement of times ahead.

    On the technical side of things I’d agree on the playing side we need major work. Literally need two new keepers, definitely need two new starting CB’s you could argue a back 4 with the only dependable defender we’ve got a 32 year old LB. Need a new midfield. Need a winger or two really. Huge work needed. The only area we’re fine in is CF and that’s it. Laca and Auba are the only ones I’d keep everyone else is fit for the chopping block

  39. Black Hei

    champagne charlie

    You should know by now that everyone is fixated on their positions.

    For us, we will always have good will towards Wenger.

    For the majortiy at Le Grove, they feel nothing but contempt and jubilation.

    Let it go man; we have seen some peace and tranquility over the last few days….there is certainly less fighting now that Wenger is leaving.

  40. Bamford10

    Our woeful defensive shape on their goal last night provides a good picture of one of Wenger’s greatest failings / deficiencies: his inability or unwillingness to impose discipline and shape upon the XI. If his early Arsenal sides had well-defined shape and discipline, it is fairly clear that this came from the players themselves, not from Wenger.

  41. Ishola70

    GalaxyGooner
    “Give him to Liverpool though and you will see a different beast”

    Liverpool would never sign Ozil. He is not a Liverpool type player.

    Liverpool like effort and energy players. That doesn’t mean non-quality of course. Just that they value highly those traits.

    Coutinho had and has much more buzz and overall energy about his game than Ozil.

  42. champagne charlie

    Paulinho

    I didn’t ask you to qualify Ramsey via Ozil, I asked your thoughts on Ramsey.

    Because the scene is very clear, he’s in the last year of his deal and either he gets sold to fund a rebuild, or he signs a fat deal. Curious where you think the club should head given the landscape.

  43. Marko

    Our starters are weak powderpuff players and our bench is generally speaking poor. It’s not hyperbolic to think that this squad needs major work because it does. Even if you think Mustafi could do it under a new manager or think Xhaka can do it under a new manager or Ramsey could you still need the areas around them filled and that’s still a lot. This team is not one midfielder away from sorting out the midfield or one defender away from sorting out the defence there’s big work to be done

  44. Paulinho

    Charlie – Wouldn’t be too bothered if he was sold, especially if we revamp the squad and bring in more direct goal scoring wide players.

    His importance for me was always linked to the state of our current squad. We need him with our current personnel.

    Disappointed by his performance last night and last week though. He was shit.

  45. alexanderhenry

    Pedro

    Regarding Keown, it’s very rare you get an ex player directly calling for a manager to lose his job.

    It’s part of the footballers code.

  46. champagne charlie

    Marko

    I disagree, but lets avoid the can of worms because we’ve been there and done it.

    My take is simple, a different manager gets 15 more points AT LEAST from this season over Wenger. The players we have are by and large of the requisite quality.

    Additions needed, yes.
    Coaching needed, yes.

  47. Arsnil

    GUNNER4EVER
    You wrote
    “It looks that some people are exited that Wenger is leaving but I can assure everyone that He will long be remembered for his Philosophy,in making Arsenal from a BORING TEAM to a FOOTBALL TEAM ”
    What a classic!!!! It looks like some people are exited!!! The only one that is “exited” is Wenger and thank f*** for that. A team is always in the likeness of the manager and given that he has been here for 22 years the ccase is doubly so for this team. Can’t blame anyone else. They were a sheep in sheep’s clothing. Embarrasing. Just a non – team and like Pedro says, we go back to what a normal team set up should be doing. You take on a manager and he either puts proper systems in place and a fighting spirit or you sack him and get somebody else.
    Arsenal have been on easy street foro far too long and the likes of OZil would not be tolerated at any top team in Europe. £350,000!!!! Just knock off the three zeroes at the end because that’s what he gave us last night. Zero.

  48. alexanderhenry

    Marko

    Agreed 100%.

    This is the most lightweight arsenal team I’ve ever known. Athletico showed that last night.

  49. Bamford10

    As someone who has defended Ramsey here, I too thought he was poor last night. I don’t think it would be a huge mistake to re-sign him (at 180k or so,) but I also wouldn’t have a problem with his being sold.

  50. Marko

    I would sell Ramsey considering everything and a new contract for him would mean a potential fuck up like Ozil as in a player on a fat contract only showing up when he wants to. Besides he’s apparently waiting to see his options and all that which doesn’t sound like a player up for the cause which was evident last night. Sell him and replace. And even though his contract has more than a year left sell Xhaka too no way he should survive. He had somewhat of a good game last night because I noticed two instances of good defending and if he ever does two good things in a game that’s a noteworthy performance by him but I also noticed erratic passing and poor positioning by him and that’s normal Xhaka. He’d generate good money he should be gone

  51. champagne charlie

    Paulinho

    Tend to agree, outside of this past seasons additions I think anyone is game as far as squad turnover goes.

    Honestly id sack off anyone thats wishy washy about being here, talking Ramsey who’s supposedly stalling on a new deal, Bellerin who wanted to go to Spain last summer, Mustafi who wanted Italy.

    That’d be my first days objective as manager: who the fuck is desperate to do well for this club? ‘oh not you?’ gone.

  52. GunnerShabz

    Hey Guys,

    I have not posted in ages on this site, but last night I guess I was expecting this result and the way the match went on

    Mustafi
    I know he was going last summer but last min change due to we not getting a replacement. he has been really out of form even last night he got done 3/4 times by costa and throws a sliding tackle not even composed
    compare him to godin, that is the kind of defender we need

    Xhaka
    he did okay, but atletico were ready for us they defended deep closing gaps in the middle in which xhaka just plays it wide and that’s it
    maybe under a new manager he will do well but he shouldn’t be the last midfielder as his focus levels are crap

    atletico had a plan and they executed it really well, wenger is too predictable we actually surprised them in the first leg with our crossing early in the box in the first 15 mins but we didn’t finish those chances off
    but the best thing about atletico they can adapt and then they snuffed us out
    the second leg, simeone was ready for our crossing and our passing through the lines and guess what WENGER went in with the same tactics from 1st leg and it was so predictable. SIMEONE and GODIN were ready

  53. Bamford10

    Who absolutely, without question must be replaced in the XI for us to compete for top four next season?

    I’d say Cech, Koscielny, Mustafi, Monreal and Xhaka.

    Wilshere is also obviously unneeded.

  54. Marko

    Additions needed, yes.
    Coaching needed, yes.

    So we’re in agreement. Perhaps not on the number of additions but still agreement. You see for me I look at last night and think for so long it’s been easy for it to just blame Wenger for the shite on the field and a lot of it is justified criticism because he believed in these players by and large bought them and stuck by them and created this no accountability you see at the club. But at the same time that shouldn’t excuse the players for having zero fucking fight for the jersey and club that shouldn’t excuse professional football players for being thick as fuck. No excuses for how shockingly bad Ramsey was last night how anonymous and afraid Ozil was last night and how absolutely stupid Bellerin was last night. I would say some but the last two years have shown most of these players at the club aren’t worth keeping around

  55. GunnerShabz

    if I was gazidis, I would speak to all the agents of our players and see if they can be sold and we can get something of our money back

    this summer I am not expecting big money signings but want smarter signings
    we need that pace and power next season

    we need physical players in the middle and a out and out winger

    the only problem is these players will come at a price

    Ramsey and Bellerin have sell on value so that could help

    but we need to be making deals like James to Bayern if we want those big named players

  56. Marko

    Who absolutely, without question must be replaced in the XI for us to compete for top four next season?I’d say Cech, Koscielny, Mustafi, Monreal and Xhaka.

    New starting keeper, two new starting CB’s and two new starting Midfielders.

  57. GunnerShabz

    Bamford10

    I would honestly get rid of

    Ramsey
    Wilshire
    Ozil (wenger tried making a team based around him but look at the state of us)
    Ospina
    Cech
    Mustafi
    Koscielney (his injury means he will be with us)
    Bellerin
    Monreal (too old now)
    Welbeck
    Jenkinson

  58. GunnerShabz

    Guys the question is

    who can we buy this summer?

    I know Sven loves his diamonds and we need those smart signings

    but who would want to come to a team in Europa league two season in a row now

    the only thing is which manager will we have, can they attract the top players

  59. Marko

    Honestly id sack off anyone thats wishy washy about being here, talking Ramsey who’s supposedly stalling on a new deal, Bellerin who wanted to go to Spain last summer, Mustafi who wanted Italy.

    Absolutely. Don’t forget Ozil though who stalled on a new deal for about 18 months and who lets be honest here probably only signed once he realized no one else wanted him either wanted him or wanted him on those wages either way no way he gives two fucks about being here. Get rid

  60. Terraloon

    Gambon

    I was just about to type word for word your comment made at 10.19am

    If I look at those clubs that will finnish above Arsenal this season I honestly can’t see then wanting any of the squad that AW is leaving behind.People May argue about one or two players and that’s an opinion but O suspect other than a couple of clubs from lower down the league whose budgets ant possibly expectations are less who on earth is going to shell out on overpaid ,in decline Arsenal rejects?
    People say Chambers did ok last night but ok isn’t good enough to challenge clubs for trophies of note you have to be getting 8/10 not 7/10.
    people talk about a new coach changing things but as you say the players are in effect in the image of AW they most likely can’t be taught about concentration, holding a position they only see the opposition goal as the target whereas top defenders celebrate a block, a save indeed a clean sheet as a trophy whereas at Arsenal they have been schooled to believe a 1-0 win is somehow an embarrassment.
    A lot of money spent, a lot of work, and potentially some even leaner years is a possibility and as the likes of Sunderland, West Ham, Bolton and numerous others will tell you the sacrifices made in order to gain a all signing , all dancing new stadium counts for nothing it’s all about what goes on on the pitch .
    The time for all this was some while ago and the delay won’t be terminal it may well see Arsenal in a coma for quite a while if that happens the board should stand up and be counted but I suspect , no , know that won’t happen !

  61. Marko

    Gunnershabs we shouldn’t have a problem attracting players providing the new manager is a good appointment

  62. Frankie Coffeecakes

    “but I also wouldn’t have a problem with his being sold.”

    An interesting statement, Bamford. What has shifted in your thoughts regarding Ramsey to bring about this view?

  63. champagne charlie

    Marko

    Off the ball we’re not good enough, that’s my biggest criticism of this side. Bellerin showed that yesterday (again) being 7/8 yards ADVANCED of Costa because his first thought was to break forward – totally neglecting the fact we had to defend and gain possession before that was achievable. 1-0 game over. A new manager fixes this, or certainly improves upon it greatly.

    Next you’ve got this mentality amongst the group, the apathetic stares, the refusal to point a finger and dig someone out. The nice guy culture embedded needs challenged, hard. Again, new manager can set the tone here and the floodgates can open exposing any personalities laying dormant. Another way is to bring in one or two that will make some waves.

  64. Dissenter

    Did anyone ever think Thomas Partey was a top midfielder?
    He’s been improving exponentially under good coaching at Atletico, something we have la key for the last 15 years.
    We need to get this coaching decision right. We may not need to spend loads 9f money, just bring in a coach that really knows how to work with youth and give them time.

  65. Marko

    Look Wenger’s gone he’s literally going now in a couple of weeks but most of these players will (unfortunately) still be here next season and the performance last night showed they have no problems with playing in the Europa league again next season. They couldn’t give a shit what level of European football they would be playing next season they didn’t care. No fight whatsoever

  66. GunnerShabz

    Marko

    I do agree, I think we got the brand but I we need to be able to sell a project to the players and manager

    we need a good 3 year plan for now

    if we can get either Malcom or Leon Bailey we done well but we need to sell a Ramsey to fund that

    Max Meyer will be perfect, I do hope we already signed him because he would a straight swap with Wilshire and Cazorla replacement

    Defenders wont come cheap so this is where Sven has to be clever, get those hungry physical defenders around Europe in the mould of Diego Godin

    If we can get a keeper, I don’t mind a fraser foster or jack butland as a stop gap for now

  67. Herb's Army

    The 2006 CL Final, and Wenger’s Barcelona obsession exposed all his flaws.
    But we didn’t have a Messi or anyone approaching that level, and Wenger isn’t disciplined enough to execute that plan.
    Wenger has coasted at Arsenal because there was no-one above him setting targets and demanding success.
    He may be a gentleman to some, for me, he became the most disingenuous man in football.
    Pound for pound, with the resources he’s had available, he is nowhere near Arsenal’s greatest manager. Since the Emirates move, he has achieved the bare minimum, now he can’t even hit those simple targets.
    Of course there was a time when we all loved the man for our incredible brand of exciting football, but that was a long long time ago.
    He has physically and mentally drained us of any feeling of goodwill towards him.

  68. Bamford10

    GunnerShabz

    Given that we need 4-5 players, and given that we don’t have unlimited funds, I think people may have to accept that 2-3 of these new players might not be “big names.” This is not as much of a problem, IMO, as some here think, provided these signings are quality, no-nonsense players who play their role properly. Many here would have asked “who is N’Golo Kante?” if we had signed him in 2015 when Leicester did, and yet he was integral to two title-winning teams. And there are many other examples of players who are/were not massive names but who are/were key components of this or that well-organized side.

    Sven and co. have their work cut out for them, though.

  69. Marko

    Next you’ve got this mentality amongst the group, the apathetic stares, the refusal to point a finger and dig someone out. The nice guy culture embedded needs challenged, hard. Again, new manager can set the tone here and the floodgates can open exposing any personalities laying dormant. Another way is to bring in one or two that will make some waves.

    Agree with all of that and you’re absolutely right but at the same time Charlie it’s worth noting that some of these players are simply not good enough for us. I mean look going forward if our ambitions go as far as fighting for 4-6th and an occasional domestic cup then okay but if we’ve got bigger ambitions then I’m afraid most of these guys aren’t worth keeping around. I mean the appointments behind the scenes and the amount we spend on wages and whatnot would suggest that we’ve got bigger plans than 6th place and struggling in Europe. Wenger you said up top wasn’t the cause of every problem but when you say stuff like a new coach will get better out of this team and it only needs a couple additions you kind of put all the blame on him. I’m saying he’s to blame but at the end of the day these players are to blame also

  70. Victorious

    He will long be remembered for his Philosophy,in making Arsenal from a BORING TEAM to a FOOTBALL TEAM ADMIRED AROUND THE WORLD.Gooners do NOT FORGET THIS GREAT GENTLEMAN for the STADIUM STATE OF THE ART,THE 21 YEAR CONSECUTIVE RECORD IN ECL,3 CHAMPIONSHIPS,49 RECORD UNBEATEN RUN,5 FA CUPS,1 FC CUP AND ABOVE ALL HE MADE ARSENAL THE PRIDE OF LONDON.I HOPE WE CAN FIND A REAL REPLACEMENT

    thought I should repost this.

  71. GunnerShabz

    Bamford10

    I agree, we need Sven and Raul to deliver with “smart” signings like the kante’s and dembeles

    if we can pull of max mayer, that be a great start am hoping Sven has got his connections on that one he would be a great cazorla and Wilshire replacement

    I am sure they some great potential from south America right now, hopefully our scouts are on the case

    but yes, I am not expecting world class signings just good signings that will improve us

  72. Bamford10

    Frankie

    If you were to review my commentary on Ramsey, you’d see that it was never some kind of absolute for me. My point was always in response to some of the over-the-top (IMO) criticism of him from some here. My point was always that he was better than some of his critics here would have it, that he gave us engine, work-rate and technical quality in midfield, that you can’t sell the entire team wholesale, etc.

    And as I say, I also would still support his getting a new contract at 180 or so. But I also see why some think it would be better to sell him.

    Why don’t you ask Paulinho the same question?

  73. Guns of Hackney

    You can sell the whole team and we should.

    There isn’t anything to build on.

    Ramsay? Not that good.
    Wilshere. Holy fuck no.
    The defense? Errr…

    Sell the lot and see what happens. At least it would be exciting.

  74. champagne charlie

    marko

    Arsenal need to have the right tools to execute a particular system, and it’s here we’ve lacked big time in recent years. Very little width, absolutely no-one on the squad that can beat a man and produce a final ball/finish, not one good CM partnership, not one top ball playing GK, not one physically imposing CB.

    A lot of similar profiled players leading to much of a muchness, little to no variety in our game, and ultimately continued downfalls in similar scenarios.

    I hope we’ve decided upon the identity we want to assume from here on out and are buying to best express it.

  75. Bamford10

    Victorious

    Actually, he will long be remembered for the shambles our defensive/team shape was in games like last night (or against Monaco in 2015,) as well as shambolic displays like the 8-2, the 6-0,the 6-3, the 5-1, and the 10-2.

    He’ll also long be remembered for any number of inane, arrogant or dishonest remarks he made to the press and public.

    Of course he’ll also long be remembered for the great football Arsenal played when Arsenal were in fact playing great football, but he’ll also be remembered for the negatives I’ve highlighted above.

    His legacy will be a mixed one; there is no ignoring this or changing this, though his devotees will undoubtedly try to erase or explain away the negatives as time goes on.

  76. Guns of Hackney

    To have our wage bill and not be in the CL is criminal. Unless we do offload the shit from the club, how long do you think we’ll sustain a £250m wage bill?

    I said it early this morning. The true scale of wengers reign of terror won’t become clear for a while…we are now the sixth or seventh best team in the league. The top five clubs are streets ahead of us financially, tactically, commercially and are established.

    Arsenal are now irrelevant.

  77. Marko

    Charlie that’s exactly it. And you can’t all of a sudden turn these number 10’s into wingers who beat players or these deep lying playmakers to be defensive midfielders you can’t teach our defenders to have more of a presence if they’ve never had one so you have to bring in the players.

  78. GunnerShabz

    I actually think alexander golovin would be a good signing if we cant sign max mayer

    he was really putting himself in the shop window when playing against us

  79. Guns of Hackney

    Surely Zaha has to be considered?

    I’d also chuck in a cheeky one for Pogba. Offer United Ramsay and cash and see what happens.

  80. Carts

    “Wenger looked like a stray dog tonight. One hit by two cars on a Spanish motorway, writhing in agony, hoping a juggernaut would make it quick and easy.”

    I can’t lie, this got me because it’s so damn accurate.

  81. champagne charlie

    Marko

    Right, but where you advocate wholesale changes I’m of the opinion this team is transformed with 3/4 key ones.

    Add me:

    a Leno (quick, agile, imposing, good with his feet)
    a Koulibaly (Physically dominant, defender first, leader)
    a Max Meyer (tenacious, scrapper, baller)
    a Malcolm (match winner, moment creator, committer)

    Put them into the XI, and hand the reins to Allegri and you’ve got a very exciting season ahead full of optimism and genuine enthusiasm.

  82. Carts

    GoH

    “To have our wage bill and not be in the CL is criminal. Unless we do offload the shit from the club, how long do you think we’ll sustain a £250m wage bill?”

    Culling season is imminent. £200m wage bill, yet the coffers will be starved of CL revenue.

    This is so damaging. Made worse by the fact that our highest earner is 29, earning £350k p/w while tied down for the next 3.5 years.

    Clusterfuck would be an understandment

  83. Leedsgunner

    Wenger still bleating on about how this present squad is only two or three players short from challenging for the biggest honours.

    Emmm, he really doesn’t get it does he?

    He said exactly the same thing last season when we crashed out of the top 4, saying we were two or three players short from challenging for the league.

    Remember what our rivals did when they were in our predicament recently? Need a reminder? Chelsea sacked Maureen, hired Conte and won the League the following season.

    Man Utd, when they were into the Europa League last season, made sure they won the damn thing and placed themselves back into the Champion’s League.

    Wenger has done neither of those things… despite having more control over his club than either Mourinho or Conte… and people are still defending him.

    Un-believe-a-ble.

    He’s not a football manager, he’s a cult leader.

    I’m so glad this man is leaving the club.

  84. champagne charlie

    Max Meyer should be the first considerable bit of business we do this summer, lad has found a role he’s excelling at, it’s one we’re in dire need of, and he’s on a bosman.

    For our situation he’s relative gold dust. He’s been quietly doing his thing and enabling players like Goretzka the freedom to operate in reckless abandon (cough…Ramsey…cough).

  85. Emiratesstroller

    I have maintained all season that Wilshire should not be awarded a new contract even if he accepts a reduced wage. He is not good enough for first team and I don’t think that he will accept sitting on bench.

    I have a different view to most posters about Xhaka. I think that he has the potential to be a good player in the right set up. It would be interesting to play him alongside Maitland-Niles next season who will be competing for sure for a regular place in starting lineup. M-N has the pace and defensive recovery
    to play in central midfield.

    The next issue for me is the mess in defence, which has cost us so many games
    this season. The question you need to ask is how many points have been lost
    and goals conceded through defensive error. I am fairly sure it approaches
    at least 20 goals in EPL and Europa League and that is criminal neglect.

    Clearly Arsenal are not going to buy wholesale defenders and goalkeepers this summer. Last week I posted that Mustafi and Koscielny are too similar to
    play together and I suggested that we offloaded Koscielny this summer in view of his ongoing injury problem and inability to play two consecutive games in a week. Yesterday’s injury confirms this. Sadly I don’t think that
    we can rely again on him even if he makes a recovery.

    So Arsenal need to buy a top quality Centre Back this summer to play alongside Mustafi. Then I would make a decision to keep Mavropanos and either Chambers or Holding as squad players. The club does not need 5-6 CBs.

    The other concern, which I have raised since beginning of season is how our
    full [wing] backs play. They are too often out of position to defend properly
    when teams counterattack. If you are playing wing backs then it would be better playing with three centre backs. At the moment Bellerin, Kolasinac and
    Monreal are falling between stools and not performing particularly well in any role. That is down to poor management and coaching.

    I hope sincerely that whoever comes in as our next manager focusses more
    in beefing up our defence than has been the case in recent years. Some of the
    players are not beyond redemption under right coach and instruction.

  86. GunnerShabz

    I do think we should went all out for Max Meyer

    he has not confirmed his new destination but I do know Liverpool, spurs and even united are interested so loads of competition

  87. Leedsgunner

    Clarification. Yes, the players must take the responsibility… but who hired these players? Who trained these players? Who awarded these players on astronomic contracts for not very much performance?

    Wenger.

    Both are to be blamed.

  88. Guns of Hackney

    Carts

    £46,800,000

    That’s what Ozil will fleece from us over the next three years…if he’s on £300k pw.

    Wengers last hurrah was to essentially screw the club over by buying in all the shite and giving them massive deals.

    I would give Wenger £9.00 let alone £9m to fuck off. In fact, I’d take the bastard to court.

    Arsenal’s youth aide better get ready because we can’t keep paying silly wages.

  89. Marko

    Right, but where you advocate wholesale changes I’m of the opinion this team is transformed with 3/4 key ones.

    I’m advocating wholesale changes because it’s not that this team has 3-4 players who aren’t good enough it has more.

    a Leno (quick, agile, imposing, good with his feet)

    Agree love him.

    a Koulibaly (Physically dominant, defender first, leader)

    Agree. But we need another. What’s the point of highlighting how good Koulibaly is if teams target Mustafi and he makes mistake after mistake. His performances this season alone show he’s not good enough

    a Max Meyer (tenacious, scrapper, baller)

    Agree. Still need a DM though and is Max Meyer good enough to bridge the gap between 6th place and competing for the league title?

    a Malcolm (match winner, moment creator, committer)

    Yep. But that doesn’t solve the problem one has with the wet sponge Ozil. He’s not at nearly 30 years old going to start putting in a shift on a regular basis it’s not in his nature he’s a passenger.

    I like where your heads at I just think we need more

  90. HighburyLegend

    “Because sentimentality has no place in elite sport”

    I’m sorry but I have to disagree!!
    Omg, I’m starting to speak like vicuntious…

  91. Frank Mc

    “Allegri is the one, demanding, charismatic, bold, and a winner. ”

    Anyone would of thought you’d had a punt on him!!! 😉

  92. Guns of Hackney

    Marko

    Mate. 3/4 players won’t touch the side I’m afraid.

    We need at a minimum:
    GK x 2
    RB, CB x 2 and a LB
    New midfield
    Wingers x 1/2
    A better forward than Laca

    Tell me I’m wrong. Im not. The squad is a mess.

  93. Dissenter

    Wenger ought to decline the 10.5 million payout next season in good faith. He’s is leaving the squad in a worse shape than he found it.
    Are we a bigger club now compared to 1996? Absolutely YES but it has very little to do with Wenger. Our growth is derived from the fact that the world is a much smaller place due to technology and the entire premier league has grown exponentially.
    He built the Emirates?The stadium isn’t that much of a big deal because at least 10 premier league clubs are building as well. Atletico just moved into a new stadium and that hasn’t stopped them from being competitive.
    Wenger inherited an excellent defense and Bergkamp. What is he leaving behinds despite having a controlling say in 100% of footballing decisions in the club for at least 15 years, until 9 months ago.
    The footballing squad is worse off now compared to 1996.

  94. GunnerShabz

    I bet if we had Sven in the summer we would of went for the Naby Keita deal

    he is what we need, box to box aggression type

    the closest is Denis Zakaria of BMG at the moment

    Leon Bailey is a huge talent

  95. Edd

    The difference between a well coached team and one that is not was clear for all to see. Sorry to say as much as Ramsey gets a lot praise for his engine and getting into good goal scoring positions his return is nothing to write home about and he should be moved on in the summer and an upgrade brought in. Just not good enough.

  96. HighburyLegend

    To the next boys in charge : please get rid of wilshere vegas boy, our false rambo, ospina and cech, mustafi and Co… and mostly Ozil, or at least you can buy him a pair of f*cking balls.

    Considering his salary, I’m surprise that he cant afford to buy them himself.

  97. Dissenter

    Marko
    Do you still think I was far off for prioritizing a pacy and dribbling Winger over a central midfielder.
    I know it’s a debatable choice but it’s not bizarre.
    We cannot keep trying to pass the pall through a monkeys atse in athe middle of the two banks of the opposition.

  98. Guns of Hackney

    Agree with Edd

    If you want a player with an “engine” go and hire a fucking runner instead of a footballer.

    Ramsay is just not that good. Squad player at best. Useful sub but no game changer.

  99. Leedsgunner

    Wenger is often lauded as the man who brought the Emirates Stadium to Arsenal. How much did that cost? £500m?

    It’s going to take that much to reshape this club to be league contenders…

    Honestly, in light of the absolute mess he has left us in, what has he actually done for us in the past ten years?

  100. Dissenter

    I recall gooners laughing at United for paying Alexis 450-500k weekly.
    All the while we were ignoring our on albatross nightmarish situation; we’ve been paying a perennial absentee 300-350k weekly.
    At least United can afford the Alexis deal, they have massive commercial income and are back in the CL to keep those deals.
    Our situation is worse because we really cannot afford a to pay Ozil that salary, not at the expense of a depleted squad playing in Europa league.

    The Ozil extension will come to be remembered as one of the worst in modern sporting history. It will be thought in sports business classes as how not to run a club.

  101. Guns of Hackney

    Arsene didn’t build the stadium. He just happened to be the manager at the time.

    Danny F (RIP) probably had more to do with it than anyone at Arsenal.

    Oh and the hundreds of architects, engineers, builders, workers, civil and transport infrastructure engineers and of course the bank who actually gave us the cash…but yeah, apart from that…Wenger had loads to do with it.

    Fucking fraud.

  102. Rambo Ramsey

    ‘That’ll become ever clearer moving forward, but Wenger has gotten far more flak than he’s deserved. He leaves our greatest manager, we’re in great shape, people could do with just drawing a line and looking forward.’

    Wenger leaves us in 6th position, without CL football for a second season in a row and a largely trash squad that’ll need a major surgery ie a massive investment.

    Stop choking on Wenger’s dick.

  103. GunnerShabz

    we need intelligent central midfielders like the Gabi’s and Koke’s

    positional play and awareness with great technique and determination

    we need that chiellini, godin type of defender

    and a wide player like leon bailey, di maria, salah

    if it means getting the potential superstars so be it but I trust Sven would have done this homework here

  104. Rambo Ramsey

    ‘we need intelligent central midfielders like the Gabi’s and Koke’s positional play and awareness with great technique and determination. we need that chiellini, godin type of defender and a wide player like leon bailey, di maria, salah’

    And don’t forget about the goalkeeper. Basically we need close to an entirely new team.

    Great shape, my backside.

  105. Dissenter

    We need to be careful about just dropping names of players to sign.
    To say that we are in some chaos right now would be quite polite.
    Why would any player commit to staying or new players agree ato join us when there is so much uncertainty?
    There’s nothing appealing about Arsenal other than an extended extravagantly paid vacation in London.
    Until we appoint a manager, no player with a future will join us. Good players commit to PROJECTS and are convinced by seeing some stability, either in DoF or manager.
    Chelsea used to sign players even when they didn’t have a manager because the DoF position was stable for a long time.
    At the moment, everything is in flux at Arsenal’s; new chief scout, new DoF and departing manager.

    We need to make that announcement by Monday and start building quickly.

  106. Dissenter

    Actually we need two good GKs.
    Goalies need to push each other for the starting position
    Cech is done, let him off the last year of his contract.
    Ospina, to his defense has been trying to leave every freaking summer: Wenger kept persuading him to stay for one more year. Let him scurry off to Turkey.
    We need a staring goalie and a back-up goalie.

  107. Rambo Ramsey

    Remember when emptywit AKBs took shots at Fergie and the team he left behind for his successor?

    Fergie was a glory-hunter and selfish they said, Wenger puts the club before him they said, he would leave the squad in far better shape they said, Arsene Wenger’s legacy they called it.

  108. Dissenter

    Where’s Cesc Appeal?
    Haven’t heard from him in a long time.
    Hope you’re doing good mate. How’s your budding legal career doing?

  109. Biggles

    I’m going to quote myself from January:
    —————————————————
    “I find myself on the fence regarding Ozil. He’s clearly very talented, but I think his tendency to be useless after Christmas makes him too expensive to be spending £200k a week on. I’d rather we let him go and sold Xhaka and then just bought the midfield general we need. Not sure who that would actually be now that Kante and Matic are both contracted up for years, but there has to be somebody out there.”
    ——————–

    Of course in the end we didn’t spend £200k a week on Ozil, it’s going to be more like £350k and that’s until summer 2021. So… about £54m in wages over the next three years.

    I rather hope we have a break clause of some kind in there.

  110. GunnerShabz

    Rambo Ramsey

    we just need intelligent positional play spine with grit and determination

    hopefully the new manager is good at this and works on the shape of the team in defensive situations

    our defence gets exposed too much and the goalkeeper suffers

    look at CECH!!!! how he was at chelsea

  111. Dissenter

    Alexander
    The club needs to end this freaking managerial change charade they set in place. It’s embarassing.
    They ought to have done 50% of the work behind the scene before they judged Wenger out of the door.
    Ideally, they should have had an informal handshake with their leading/preferred choice and have back-ups lined up.

  112. LINP

    I want the new manager to be more flexible, sometimes beautiful football and sometimes pragmatic football. For pragmatic, I mean defense and bypass the midfield and long ball to the striker. For that, we don’t play Ozil. For beautiful football, we’ll play the quick one-two short passing game.I prefer to watch Ozil than Fellaini style football.

  113. Guns of Hackney

    AH

    So basically that chart is the reverse of what everyone actually wants.

    Eddie Howe? I mean seriously.

    Arsenal should start thinking about downsizing the stadia…60,000 is far to ambitious for a club that might struggle to get 15,000 soon.

    Eddie Howe!!!!!!!!!

    I would literally explode into infinity if that happened.

  114. Ozy

    We desperately needed a goalkeeper, an experienced center back, full backs, wide attackers … what’s that? A 55+ million striker who is cup tied to the only competition we have a shot of winning/competing in? Let’s get him.

    Clueless. It’s going to be a rough couple of years, guys. The next manager won’t have UCL football, will only have 50 million to spend, if what certain outlets report is true, and won’t have any players worth selling.

    Koscielny’s injury and Ospina/Cech’s performances this year HAS to mean we’re going to buy a goalkeeper and a center back, right? Right? Welbeck and Ozil in the wings means we’re going to have to buy a winger, right? Right?

  115. champagne charlie

    Rambo

    I don’t have the patience to indulge your pathetic commentary. Suggest you get back to your Ramsey poster, and bore off with the halfwit remarks.

  116. Micheal

    On a topic related to the on-going shambles, it seems entirely possible that we will not even make 6th in the EPL this season. This would make it even mroe difficutl to bring in a quality manager and players. Does 7th mean Europa Cup qualification?
    Burnley play as a team (completely unlike AFC) and will be no push-over on Sunday as they battle for European qualification. Leicester will want to rub Wenger’s nose in it and Huddersfield will be fighting to stay up on the last day of the season.

  117. Rambo Ramsey

    Charlie, are you one of those types that plug your ears and shout ‘Tralalalidayyy’ when reality is banging on your front door?

  118. alexanderhenry

    No idea who’s going to be manager and neither do the press or bookies – at this stage anyway.

    Here’s an idea though.

    If the new manager doesn’t work out the club can fire him and try someone else.

    Imagine that

  119. gonsterous

    hope next season we see some kids come up from the academy and settle down in the team. been a while since we last saw a decent home grown player who didn’t turn to shit after joining the 1st team..

  120. OleGunner

    Chopping block over the next two seasons:

    Cech
    Ospina
    Koscielny
    Mustafi
    Welbeck
    Iwobi
    Wilshere

  121. WengerEagle

    ‘a Max Meyer (tenacious, scrapper, baller)’

    As a squad option, sure. As a starter, no thanks rather we looked at other better players.

    And doubt he’s leaving Schalke to sit on the bench somewhere.

  122. Dplanet

    What a great feeling it was when the final whistle went and I thought, ‘this is the last Wenger Euro-Capitulation’ I’ll ever have to witness.

    I almost don’t want to judge our players (although they have been absolute shite) until I’ve seen what proper coaching can coax out of them. It’s hard to remember, or believe, sometimes but we do actually have some decent players. And we have some average players who could do better with proper coaching. Ozil was pathetic last night (and disappears far too often) but there is no doubt he is a highly talented player. Let’s not crucify anyone until we’ve seen what they can do with proper coaching.

    The reality is that we’re not going to have £200M to spend so we’re going to need a manager who can work with what we’ve got.

  123. Frankie Coffeecakes

    “hope next season we see some kids come up from the academy and settle down in the team. been a while since we last saw a decent home grown player who didn’t turn to shit after joining the 1st team..”

    Given that it wont be Wenger nurturing them along, they have every opportunity to do well.

  124. champagne charlie

    Rambo

    Either you’re stupid, or wilfully ignorant. Pick one and run with it, I don’t care which.

  125. champagne charlie

    weagle

    “better” meaning what? More expensive? Sexier name? He’s one of the top performers in his position this season in the Bundesliga.

    Yea sure, I’d like to dump 45 mil on Nainggolan…but that wedge isn’t manifesting out of nowhere and Meyer is a superb ‘deal’ this summer.

  126. Freddie Ljungberg

    Given that we need a new goalie ( I would keep Cech as backup) and probably 2cbs I don’t expect us to spend all that much on the midfield sadly.

    Atm I would take a Meyer + Doucoure combo and get rid of Jack and Xhaka. Would about break even.

    If we’re serious about competing we would raise more money by selling Ramsey and buy a 3rd top midfielder too, but doubt that’s going to happen. The only hope is that Ramsey might want to leave or prices himself out of a contract.

    Just pray there’s enough money left over for a top winger because our attack is so bereft of ideas it’s not even funny anymore…