Shortlist looking very exciting, according to latest

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One of the main men with that golden Arsenal info, Jezza Wilson, has penned a piece that says Arsenal might opt for a cheaper manager. The article basically reiterates what I’ve been telling you for a while, the club don’t necessarily want an all-conquering king to replace a king. The club want a manager who can fit into a system, can coach players, and work with a lower budget.

His shortlist of names is the list we’ve been rocking here at Le Grove. Allegri, Nagelsmann, Arteta, Paddy and Jardim. I’m game for any of those, bar Vieira. I really don’t fancy him, unless it’s as part of the backroom team.

There goes my chance of interviewing him for The AO podcast anytime soon.

The Telegraph writer also pours a bit of cold water over the Buvac rumours, without totally discarding them. The exLiverpool assistant makes very little sense, he was an average manager in 2001, doesn’t like speaking to the press and by all accounts, it seems like he’s left Liverpool to tend to family matters back in Bosnia.

If he were joining Arsenal, wouldn’t he have at least waited until he’d lost in the Champions League final before departing Klopp’s side? There were some rumours he’d had a bust-up, but I think that was off the mark. You don’t tend to have mega bust-ups with people that have helped give you success, especially not at pivotal moments of the season.

Enrique seems to be showering himself in mercenary juice. He’s asking for such an extortionate salary, even Chelsea are turning their noses up at him. What a game he’s playing. I’d not be upset with him, I’d just be a touch underwhelmed.

Give me Allegri, Jardim or Nagelsmann and I’d be over the moon.

In other news, Jack Wilshere is now closer to agreeing a new deal than before. Interesting right? Wenger goes, and all of a sudden, the club is open to a deal. I was told by someone in New York who knew people around Jack that he wasn’t much of a fan of the coach, so it makes sense that now he’s gone things are looking more positive. It’d be great to hire a manager who could extract the most from him. He’s still relatively young, could be a great turnaround project.

I was fed a tidbit that Ramsey signing on isn’t looking very positive right now, it’s not come from a source pure enough to extract spring water, but you could take a drink there and no one would die. Take from it what you will. I know Danny W and Cech are also waiting to see who the next manager is, likely just to see if they’re wanted. Just jokes, Danny has been great of late, Mr Cech, not so much. But he’d make a great coach. One of the greats, so we’ll see.

Outside that, I have very little.

SEE YOU IN THE COMMENTS.

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  1. HighburyLegend

    We didn’t succeed to break their defense during the first leg, so I don’t see how we could do it twice tonight, as they are the specialist when it comes to defend a lead…
    Plus we will certainly witness a ridiculous mistake from Kos, Mustafi… or both of them.

  2. HighburyLegend

    Many Grovers excited about tonight’s game…

    You all waiting for the new coach to be appointed ?? lol

  3. gambon

    Looks like we may have signed Caglar Soyuncu from Freiburg.

    Havent seen anything of him, but glad we are signing taller, quicker CBs now Wenger has been fucked off.

    We must have the least physical group of CBs in world football. Another example of Wengers terrible squad building.

    if we also sign Sokratis, I think Mustafi & Chambers will be out.

  4. Marko

    Wenger saying we’re going to stop Costa by pressing Atletico high up the pitch. With Ozil starting that’s not going to happen. We don’t do a high press we don’t do a press anywhere on the pitch really. Not this team. We’ll likely sit deep and hope to counter which is what we should have done the last 10 minutes at home which is not what you do needing an away goal

  5. Romford Pele

    Ah Gambon you beat me too it.

    Yeah looks like he’s on his way. Rumours that we wanted him in Jan too. 6ft2 and very quick across the ground although still young and quite rash but very good om on the ball. Good in 1 v 1 duels too. Definitely the profile of CB we need. If we have him, Mavrapanos, Holding and a more experienced CB, it looks good going forward.

  6. Marko

    42 appearances in his first season in Germany and only 21. Chambers is off and with links to Sokratis and Rugani recently I’d be surprised if Kos and Mustafi survived this summer. Mustafi because he can generate decent funds and Kos because he’s honestly battered at this moment

  7. Romford Pele

    Marko, with Caglar, Mavrapanos and Holding all being 22 and under, we probably need a more experienced head alongside them all so Sokratis makes sense even though I don’t really rate him.

  8. Marko

    If we have him, Mavrapanos, Holding and a more experienced CB, it looks good going forward.

    For the future absolutely but the immediate future we’d need two experienced defenders signed. Mavropanos and probably Holding are likely to be loaned. I’m liking it though finally addressing a future problem area. To my knowledge we’ve really got no one at youth level knocking on the door from the defensive side of things so signing a promising Greek and Turkish player is smart. Finally smart decisions being made. No more links to Loic Perrin, Simon Kjaar or Johnny fucking Evans please

  9. Ishola70

    Yeah the kid from Freiburg is a physical player which is good but as mentioned he is rash at this time and needs a bit more experience. Needs to be more patient with his defending. Goes to ground and flies into tackles as much as Mustafi but at least he is young enough to learn. Seems Mustafi doesn’t learn.

    Good on the ball as well.

  10. Paulinho

    “From the looks of things so far, it looks like Sven is going to have a lot of power.”

    Yeah, it seems that way. I can see him wanting a manager that he knows he can chat too everyday and they’ll be on the same wavelength.

    Why I think Allegri is unlikely and someone like Buvac is more his type.

  11. Romford Pele

    “For the future absolutely but the immediate future we’d need two experienced defenders signed. Mavropanos and probably Holding are likely to be loaned.”

    I don’t think we can say with any definitive conclusion what’s gonna happen until the new manager comes in and who he fancies etc. The fee we’re likely to spend on Caglar, you’re gonna assume he’s gonna be a starter. I don’t see us signing another two on top of that. Maybe one of Holding/Mavrapaonos will go but I doubt both will.

  12. gambon

    Really wouldnt surprise me to see:

    Koscielny
    Sokratis
    Soyuncu
    Mavropanos
    Holding (Loan)

    Mustafi & Chambers sold for £40-45m

    I know someone that works at AFC, says Holding is highly rated, but woeful physically at PL level. Needs to work both in the gym and on the pitch.

  13. Romford Pele

    “Yeah, it seems that way. I can see him wanting a manager that he knows he can chat too everyday and they’ll be on the same wavelength.”

    Yeah agreed. I’d be surprised if it’s Allegri too but Buvac would also surprise me. It has to be young and dynamic, especially if we’re gonna operate via that transfer strategy. Jardim, Nagelsmann Arteta etc.

  14. Ishola70

    Bit worrying that the Turkish kid would be seen as a first team starter,

    Got plenty to learn if he wants to be a top CB.

    You can say learn on the job and throw him in at the deep end but it will cost Arsenal in the short term.

    He’s rash and needs to rein it in and learn when to go into challenges and when to back off.

  15. Romford Pele

    Kos’ physical level has declined so much though man. His strength was his pace and 1 v 1 duels. That Achilles injury has pretty much finished him. But maybe to offset too much upheaval, we’ll try and get one more season from him.

  16. Bamford10

    “Freiburg defender Çağlar Söyüncü will join Arsenal, according to Altınordu chairman Seyit Mehmet Özkan: ‘Arsenal demanded his youth information from us. We’ll earn from him if he joins Arsenal. Bayern Munich wants him too but he’s on the way to the Premier League.’ ” – Ronan Murphy

  17. Romford Pele

    “You can say learn on the job and throw him in at the deep end but it will cost Arsenal in the short term.”

    Well we’re not gonna be buying loads of established stars. We don’t have the money. So yeah, some will have to learn on the job. But hopefully the new manager will have some good structures in place to offset weaknesses. I think people already underestimate what a good bit of structure and discipline will do for the team because it’s been absent for so long.

  18. gambon

    We paid £16m for Chambers as a back up, so I dont think we will be putting Soyuncu in the first team.

    There is every chance this is bollocks any way, foreign chairmen say some strange things sometimes.

    We would also probably cover his fee by selling CHambers to a mid table club. Palace bid £23m for him last summer.

  19. Romford Pele

    Yeah my main thing is signing player that can handle their own. The problem with Holding/Chambers is that neither of them had a specific outstanding quality. Mavrapaonos you saw straight away is a massive lad and is quick across the ground. Caglar has the same sort of quality. If you’re looking to play a proactive game with a high line, you need these type of CBs who can defend large spaces by themselves. Neither of the English lads can.

  20. Dissenter

    It seems we just snatched a quality YOUNG defender from Bayern’s lure.
    Freiburg‘ s 21 year old defender was set to move to a Bayern until we came knocking.

  21. gnarleygeorge9

    Good luck to all those who are going to be in Madrid for the game. 4am start here, I will get up for it.

    The Arsenal is overdue for something good to happen, I hope this is reflected with a positive result tomorrow morning.

    UP THE ARSE!!!
    COYRRR!!!!

  22. Romford Pele

    I think with Stoke likely going down, we might try and sign Jack Butland for a reduced fee. Good for he HG quota but don’t particularly rate him.

  23. Guns of Hackney

    Believe it or not, I actually think Arsenal will pull this one out of the bag tonight. I have no logical explanation.

    I also think we may win the whole thing…my position on Arsene has softened somewhat and I wouldn’t forgo winning the Europa league for a petty vendetta against Wenger.

    Here’s to an Arsenal win.

  24. Guns of Hackney

    Romford

    As the back up GK or a starter? Arsenal need a world class stopper…I mean how long has it been?

    What’s the score with this AC chap? Or Oblong…I hear he’s pretty good.

  25. Dissenter

    Lots of guarded optimism for tonight
    Perfect set up,for lots of long rants after the game
    Pedro needs to pay for some extra storage space for the post-game comments.

  26. Rambo Ramsey

    Madrid are immense at home. Arsenal are shite away from home.

    Only one way the tie is going.

  27. Guns of Hackney

    Rambo

    The law of averages suggest Arsenal are due an away performance.

    I fancy it tonight for some bizarre reason. In fact, I think we might actually romp it.

    Who says the drugs don’t work…clearly they do!

  28. Romford Pele

    Guns – Well I don’t see us signing more than one GK tbh. A couple years back, Butland’s stock was quite high. Keepers like Donnaruma and Oblack would obviously be much better but they’d cost significant amounts. Isn’t Oblack’s release clause close to 100m euros? That’s just not sensible.

    Not sure how we’re gonna navigate that but it’s another key position. Both are keepers are trash and Szczesny is about to become Juve’s #1

  29. Jamie

    Wenger going out in embarrassing fashion tonight. He rode his luck for far too long leaving glaring weaknesses in our squad, season after season. Remember the summer when he only bought Cech?! The fucking cheek of the man.

    Glad to see the back of him. He should’ve left after the FA Cup victory against Hull.

    As Rambo said; Madrid are immense at home, we have the worst away form in living memory. 3-0. Wenger gone.

  30. Ishola70

    Leno is no world class keeper but would say he is a bit better than Butland.

    Comes of his line quicker and is a bit more agile than Butland.

  31. Romford Pele

    Guns, yeah it’s too much man. We need to think carefully about how we go about addressing our issues. Obviously it’s unrealistic to think it’ll all be addressed in the summer window so we need to prioritise accordingly.

  32. Akilan

    We should take the Soyuncu rumours with a pinch of salt. The same guy told he’s going to man utd or man city in January. But the kid is rated by some big clubs though.

  33. Dissenter

    Am I the only one that rates the Southampton keeper, Fraser Foster
    He’s looked solid until he had that knee injury.p, he’s been quite shit since his return.

    I think he’s worth a shot. He’s 6’ 7” and really used to be very good. He has one year left in his contract

  34. Dissenter

    Akilan,
    “We should take the Soyuncu rumours with a pinch of salt. The same guy told he’s going to man utd or man city in January. But the kid is rated by some big clubs though“

    Actually the information came from the Freiburg president, that’s a lot of salt to fit into a pinch.
    We are talking to the club already.

  35. Akilan

    So Roma are not gonna win the UCL after all. Any chance we nab their Brazilian goalie with an English sounding name? Don’t know how much will Roma ask though? There has to be a logical explanation why he’s preferred by Brazil to the other goalie who also has a English name, right.

  36. Leedsgunner

    A keeper is only good as the defence and the defensive mids that are supporting him.

    Look at Cech… undoubtedly once a world beater with Chelsea, but with us he’s looked above average at best, doddering at worst.Our defence has left him looking exposed more than ever.

    The best keepers can save games on their own but at the moment, we can’t afford them because our whole defence and midfield is unbalanced and frankly unfit for purpose for a team who wants to win the biggest trophies.

    Someone like Butland will dofor the short term if we sort out our defence and midfield out. He has plenty of first team experience and he is hungry and ambitious.

    If I remember correctly, I think he turned down Man City for mega money and chose Stoke because he wanted to play and improve. We need players like that. Players who want to work, and not just sit on their entitled behinds collecting pay cheques after pay cheque..

  37. Romford Pele

    After they bought Costa i’ll doubt they’ll be in the market for another striker. That said, the big rumour is that there’s a deal in place for Griezmann to join Barca in the summer so who knows.

  38. Dissenter

    Lacazette, plus cash?

    Guns of Hackney
    Donarumma isn’t as good as the hype. He’s an early maturer, that’s all.

  39. WengerEagle

    Actually think Griezmann would do well at Barcelona, not sure how you’d accommodate him.

    Maybe wide left with Messi right and Coutinho taking Iniesta’s spot in midfield.

    Means Dembele benched though.

  40. Romford Pele

    Barca would either have to sell/loan Dembele due to FFP implications. Griezmann is another 100m+. Barca have splashed ridiculous amounts recently.

  41. WengerEagle

    Griezzy isn’t a ball to feet player despite the common narrative that he’s this dribbler, he isn’t.

    Excellent at breaking off from defenders and getting into 1 vs 1s.

  42. Leedsgunner

    If Griezemann goes to Barca I wonder if they will be open to selling Dembele to us. It might be a pipe dream but Aubameyang and Dembele played as if they had a telepathic understanding when they played together at BvB…

    Maybe Raul could call in a few favours at Barca to make it happen.

    Although on the negative side he is injury prone… but hopefully with Wenger’s outdated methods out the window — we will not have so many injuries throughout the season either.

  43. WengerEagle

    RP

    True that, with the amount they have spent they should have a better squad than Real Madrid who have spent much less in the last few years in actual fact.

    Real Madrid spend huge too but the difference is that they get serious return for their investments.

    12 plus years out of Ramos, how many years out of Pepe, Ronaldo, Benzema, Bale, Isco, Kroos, Modric, etc.

  44. Akilan

    Dissenter,
    Actually the quotes are from the president of Soyuncu’s former club Altidoru? They still own some percentage of the player.

    He says Arsenal asked about the details of the deal. So may be we’re close.

    The same club’s manager told he’s going to man utd/ city in January.

  45. HighburyLegend

    Costa the dog is fit for tonight ?? It’s gonna be fun lol
    (my apologies to the dogs, they don’t deserve to be compared to this c*nt)
    (excepted pittbulls of course)

  46. Romford Pele

    Dembele isn’t really injury prone – has just had a bad injury at Barca. Big difference. Struggled to adapt to a new league and culture where he doesn’t speak the language. At 20, it was never gonna be straight forward.

  47. Akilan

    If you’re into Twitter ITKs, we do have a chance of getting dembele. As ridiculous as it sounds, if Barca get Griezmann, they’ll have to sell him. They think we’re looking for a loan deal with an option to buy.

    They’ll have 4 players ahead of him. He hasn’t been a success and would still get them 50-60m. We do have some BVB connections at the club and he might prefer us, as he’s mates with Auba.

  48. DivineSherlock

    In other news, Jack Wilshere is now closer to agreeing a new deal than before. Interesting right? Wenger goes, and all of a sudden, the club is open to a deal. I was told by someone in New York who knew people around Jack that he wasn’t much of a fan of the coach, so it makes sense that now he’s gone things are looking more positive. It’d be great to hire a manager who could extract the most from him. He’s still relatively young, could be a great turnaround project.

    It looks as if I only come to criticize Pedro here but this is so wrong on so many levels . Wenger has always said he wanted Wilshere to stay . He was offered a deal also. The year he went to Bournemouth , Wenger wanted to keep him. But he wanted to get back his England spot. so he was loan. I am disappointed Pedro as you usually are spot on about so many things re Arsenal. But maligning someone like this is sad.

  49. WengerEagle

    No chance Dembele’s stock has fallen by 50%!

    He’s a 20 year in a foreign league that missed half the season with a serious injury, after putting up two outstanding seasons in France and Germany, no chance.

    He’s still worth £100 million in today’s market and we simply won’t pay that kind of fee.

  50. Akilan

    On what universe, do we consider Jack as a young player. Dude is 25/26 and honestly doesn’t have the legs to last 90mins. It’d be a miracle if he ever reaches the fitness levels of a proper footballer. He’s just isn’t a footballer, physically.

  51. WengerEagle

    Lol, his buyout-clause is set at €400 million.

    Live and learn, bet they still can’t believe that PSG actually fronted the Neymar cash, bet they’d never have expected it in a million years when setting his clause at €222 million that somebody would or even could trigger it.

  52. WengerEagle

    Yeah Jack’s way past being a kid, he’s 26 and will be closer to 27 by the time the new season rolls around.

    At that age Gerrard and Lampard were dominating the league.

  53. Marko

    This team needs more than Sokratis and a 21 year old from Friedberg if it wants to challenge again. Also Butland is a back up at best no way he’s good enough to start for a top 4/6 side. Just sign Leno (finally) or Timo Horn and sort it out

  54. WengerEagle

    What’s Horn like?

    Don’t watch much Bundesliga anymore and I know stats don’t tell the story but he’s had about 65 goals put past him in 32 matches and Koln are rock bottom and relegated.

    Muppets shouldn’t have sold off Modeste to China, he had them in 5th place with his goals last season.

  55. Marko

    We’ve got a chance of Dembele now for sure. Wenger’s going and we’re becoming a project again. They’ll have to make do with 50 million though it’s all we got

  56. WengerEagle

    Lol, I’m not sure Barcelona will be more than happy to lose half of the money they invested into Dembele in the space of a year…

    He’s 20 and he’s shown flashes of brilliance even at Barca.

  57. Marko

    Haven’t seen much of him this season WE but he’s still ridiculously rated. Just another top keeper the Germans have been churning out in recent seasons. Him Leno Ter Stegen are top keepers. Even someone like Baumann and Karius are somewhat decent. Ulreich is shite though

  58. HighburyLegend

    Imagine, Costa + Suarez in the same team, all the vaccines in the world wouldn’t do anything.

  59. WengerEagle

    Marko

    Do you rate Karius? I think that he’s a liability and a mistake waiting to happen, not as spectacularly terrible as Mignolet but he’s a definite weak link back there along with Lovren.

    Strange how a GK that concedes 2 goals every league match over the course of an entire season can be seriously rated, kid must make about 4-5 worldie saves a match.

  60. WengerEagle

    Yeah Germans have always produced excellent keepers.

    Enke was deadly too, as was that crazy Bremen keeper that went into WWE after putting on about 50 lbs of muscle and chucking in footy at 31.

  61. gambon

    Pavlenka would be my keeper choice.

    Keep Cech as back up and he would definitely come.

    Think Cech will be a top GK coach.

  62. Ishola70

    Timo Horn isn’t the best at crosses and aerials.

    Leno for a tall guy punches the ball a lot too and he isn’t that comfortable with the physicals. There is something just a little lacking with Leno to see him billed as world class. Still better than Butland.

    Karius is average.

    Oblak puts them all in the shade and by a distance.

  63. Akilan

    WE,
    Timo Horn is staying at koln along with their FB, Hector? He may even sign a new contract, which will remove his 6m RC.

  64. Marko

    Not now WE but back at Mainz he was rated. It’s a tough position being a young goalkeeper. Even someone like Sergio Rico at Sevilla or Rulli at Sociedad are highly rated keepers who concede a lot. Celta Vigo have a good keeper Alvarez but he concedes loads. Cech is dog shite but has probably around 10/12 clean sheets this season. It’s all about set up really. I’d just go for Bernd Leno

  65. Doublethink

    Dembele on loan with the possibility of making it permanent, similar to James Rodriguez and Mpabbe?

  66. gambon

    Not sure Barca would want to loan Dembele.

    The only reason they would is if they were planning other big sales.

  67. WengerEagle

    Pavlenka has some serious presence at 6 foot 5, I love goalkeepers with height think that it’s so important unless you’re just an insane shot-stopper like a Casillas, Stegen, DDG or Oblak.

    Guys like Neuer, Ederson, Buffon are not the tallest but they are all units and 6 foot 2+.

  68. HighburyLegend

    “Playing is fun, but to defend, you have to have balls. ”

    Diego Simeone.

    (Arsène agree)

  69. WengerEagle

    Marko

    True and that’s fair but 65 goals is a lot to concede whatever way you break it down, find it hard to believe that he’s been top drawer and conceded that many.

  70. Marko

    The only reason they would is if they were planning other big sales.

    He’s the only stand out they could sell. If they do get Griezmann they might need to ala Sanchez and they’ll never sell Messi it’s too soon for Coutinho and I think they still love Suarez there. The likes of Rakitic Alcacer and Denis Suarez wouldn’t fetch them nearly enough to cover Griezmann

  71. Klauspoppe

    Asenjo has to be the second best GK in Spain slightly behind Oblak.

    Arrizabalaga is one for the future.

  72. WengerEagle

    Kind of makes Casillas all the more impressive when you look at what he achieved in his career with Real Madrid and Spain as the Captain, as a 5 foot 11 GK.

    Rare to find GK’s under 6 foot that had such stellar careers, Barthez is only other one that immediately springs to mind.

  73. WengerEagle

    Klaus

    Better than Ter Stegen?

    I think that he’s seriously underrated funnily enough, Barcelona give up more clear-cut chances that any top team I’ve seen and yet they’ve only conceded 3 more goals than Atleti, Stegen’s a big part of the reason why and is always reliable to make world class saves.

  74. TR7

    Barca spend stupid money on good but not world class attacking players -Coutinho, Dembele and now Griezzman. They would be better off spending money on their weak midfield.

  75. Marko

    True and that’s fair but 65 goals is a lot to concede whatever way you break it down, find it hard to believe that he’s been top drawer and conceded that many.

    65??? Sure he wasn’t playing for Arsenal already

  76. WengerEagle

    TR7

    Griezzy and Coutinho are pretty damn close to world class if not, how many around Europe would you rate higher in their positions?

    Dembele is 20, find me a more promising u21 year old that isn’t called M’Bappe.

  77. Klauspoppe

    “Better than Ter Stegen?”

    His saves against Griezzman in the first half in the October 2017 game was unbelievable.

  78. China

    We definitely have a real chance tonight. It’s a one off game and we only need a 1-0, 2-1, 2-2 etc.

    A good performance, a bit of luck, a penalty, a red card for them (I know lol) and it’s very possible

    They are favourites but it’s far too tight considering they only scored 1 away goal.

    Also if we make the final we will absolutely win this. Atletico are the only high tier team from the last few rounds. People talked about Milan, Dortmund etc but both of these clubs are really average now. Marseille as well are a team that probably wouldn’t get out the CL group stage next season. No excuses at all if we get past Madrid

  79. Klauspoppe

    Top keepers for me

    1. De Gea
    2. Neuer
    3. Oblak
    4. Ederson
    5. Handonovic
    6. Asenjo
    7. Allison

  80. WengerEagle

    I’d probably swap DDG around with Neuer and have Stegen in there but other than that great list.

    Oblak has the potential to rise a place or two still.

  81. TR7

    WE

    Liverpool have been missing world class Coutinho badly, haven’t they? I always said Mane was the MVP at Liverpool even though Coutinho looked more silky and flashy. Last season Liverpool lost all their momentum in Mane’s absence while they actually have become more direct and lethal in Coutinho’s absence.

    Dembele talented? Yes but worth the money Barca paid? No fucking way.

    Greizman? Give me a prime Aguero, Suarez or Cavani over him anyday. Heck even a prime RVP and Rooney would edge it for me.

    May be I am in the minority on this but the hype around players is unreal these days.

  82. WengerEagle

    Think DDG is a better GK from a traditional standpoint than Neuer but the latter’s ability to impose himself on forwards and his surreal final third presence edges him ahead for me.

    More intimidating for CF’s than DDG.

  83. Klauspoppe

    Handanovic has been the best keeper in Serie A last 5 years

    Buffon was washed up since 2012 and having a defensive line of Chiellini, Bonucci and Barzagli masked it.

  84. Klauspoppe

    “I’d probably swap DDG around with Neuer and have Stegen in there but other than that great list.”

    I can honestly shift between the 2 for first and second.

    I can say the same for Oblak and Ederson switching between third and fourth. Oblak might have a higher ceiling but Ederson’s defensive leadership has to be on par with Neuer.

  85. Klauspoppe

    “Greizman? Give me a prime Aguero, Suarez or Cavani over him anyday. Heck even a prime RVP and Rooney would edge it for me.”

    Griezmann will fit amazing in the current Liverpool team.

    Also Prime RVP is better than all the players you’ve listed.

  86. WengerEagle

    TR7

    Coutinho is quality, not sure how you could put Liverpool’s UCL run down to him being removed from the line-up. Their front 3 are winning them all their games, was no different when he was there but he facilitated well. And I definitely think that he was missed last night when they needed some composure in midfield after Roma pulled it back to 2-2 and Liverpool started panicking and reverting to nervy football.

    Mane is quality but Salah is clearly the MVP. He’s scored the vast majority of their big goals this season and been stupidly good. I’d even argue that Firmino is more important than Mane to the overall balance of the team, Liverpool fans certainly seem to think so.

    Of course Dembele isn’t worth the money Barcelona paid but nobody is going for realistic fees anymore, those days are long gone. You now have Championship players going for £20 million plus and full-backs going for £50 million.

    They all are out and out strikers, Griezmann is more of a deeper lying forward. And I’m not even his biggest fan, have actually been a critic of his over the years but he’s easily top 5-6 in his position in Europe.

  87. WengerEagle

    Yeah find it incredible the circle jerk around Buffon this past few seasons when he’s been good but not even close to his best. Similar to the hard-on everyone had for Pirlo at Juventus when he was better in his Milan days.

    Buffon was at his best between 2001-2006, that was his real prime. He’s done well to outlast his peers in Casillas and co but he’s not even close to being as good as he’s been hyped. Him being up for Ballon D’or is more lifetime achievement stuff like Giggs winning the PFA player of the year in his late 30’s.

  88. WengerEagle

    In fact you could probably put that from 1999-2006 for Buffon.

    There was a reason that Juventus forked out a world record goalkeeper fee of £33 million for him in 2001.

  89. TR7

    WE

    ‘but he’s easily top 5-6 in his position in Europe.’

    Not quite a ringing endorsement WE if you think of it. Among the best 5-6 in a specific and somewhat niche position. Good but not great imho.

    On Coutinho, people were saying he was easily Pool’s best player that’s what I didn’t agree with. Different people could make strong case for each of Salah, Firmino, Mane and Coutinho while he was there to be their best player.

  90. WengerEagle

    TR7

    He’s a 25-30 goal a season player and not an out and out striker, don’t think that you’ll find too many of them knocking about.

    He’s scored some big goals in the last few years, both goals to knock out Barcelona in the CL QF in 2016, a few times including a winner in the Madrid derby, those two goals vs Germany in the Euros SF, the away goal to put Bayern out of the CL in the SF.

    Like I said I’m not his biggest fan but he’s clearly top drawer.

  91. WengerEagle

    TR7

    Yeah all have different roles which is why they work so well together.

    Firmino is the brain, most intelligent player of the three and is the workaholic, harrasses the opposition and wins the ball back from deep to build counter-attacks. Also is the most composed of the three and the most versatile.

    Mane is the outlet, he’s blockbuster and looks the most spectacular when he’s on it. Virtually unstoppable in 1 vs 1’s, electric pace and finishes well off both feet. Can be erratic at times as is the case with a lot of African footballers, nearly a victim of his own athleticism at times as his brain can’t keep up with his legs.

    And Salah is the bonafide killer of the three, by far the best finisher/final ball player and it’s not even close. Sometimes can seem a bit anonymous and just springs into life out of nowhere once he gets into the final third, a bit like Messi in that respect. Scores all types of goals and has the most conviction of the three. Faster than Firmino but not as speedy as Mane.

  92. Klauspoppe

    Liverpool should use the rest of their funds from Coutinho transfer fee + CL money and buy Griezmann. Now that would be a front three

  93. Klauspoppe

    “Salah’s the best player of the three, think that Firmino is the most irreplaceable to the system though.”

    This statements is definitely an understatement of Salah.

    Even Neymar or Hazard have never reached peaks in a season Salah has produced this season.

    Salah 17/18 is on par with Messi 08-10.

  94. WengerEagle

    Firmino (10), Salah (10) and Mane (9) have scored 29 CL goals between them, literally the record.

    Beat Real Madrid’s BBC front 3 of 2014 that scored 28 goals between the 3 of them (Ronaldo 17, Bale 6, Benzema 5) with a game left to play.

  95. WengerEagle

    Klaus

    Neymar of 2014/15 and 2015/16 is up there, Salah probably edges it.

    I’ve long been a Firmino fanboy so bit biased haha.

    Griezmann and Firmino I wouldn’t see working as well as Firmino-Mane. Mane dribbles far better and offers that stupid pace, Griezmann is quick but not rapid. Also operates more centrally whereas Mane is happy out wide.

  96. Klauspoppe

    WE

    But they haven’t been as destructive in the league as they have been in CL, same applies to RM.

    It’s definitely an upgrade with Griezmann.

  97. HighburyLegend

    “Even Neymar or Hazard have never reached peaks in a season Salah has produced this season.”

    Am I the only one who thinks that Hazard had nothing to do here with the 2 others ??

  98. WengerEagle

    Klaus

    Well Salah has been, Firmino has done well too with 15 goals and 7 assists.

    But yeah, better in Europe where they are afforded more space and freedom.

  99. salpardisenyc

    Still fucked off that Liverpool skated thru on that performance, not that Roma did themselves any favors.

    If Griezmann does make the move to Barca, think Dembele gets sold. A player we missed out of ligue 1, imagine him coming in and taking over left side of attack. Come on Sven you’ve signed him once bruh, go back to that well you seem good at that.

  100. Leedsgunner

    Before we start flogging our players off cheap, I think it’s worth seeing what a good proper coach can do with them. We might seriously regret it if we let them go now.

    Letting Wenger go before this season’s end was a very smart move by the club. In my mind, th issignal of ambition it gives is equivalent to a world class signing.

  101. WengerEagle

    Mental that a player that was on par with those names back then in Mario Gotze is so washed up at 25.

    Really was amazing before his physiological problems took over in 2015. Best player Klopp has ever coached, his own words.

  102. Bamford10

    TR7

    While I agree that Barca need to improve their midfield, Griezmann is world class in my estimation, and he will fit in quite well at Barca, I think. (Unlike Dembele, btw.)

    As for Coutinho, he’s a midfield creator, not a front three type, and while I agree he isn’t quite WC, he’s pretty damn good.

  103. Leedsgunner

    Diego Costa will score.
    Diego Costa will likely antagonise one of our lot to attract a red card.

    Wenger will blame the red card as the reason the tie was lost, rather than focussing on the real reason that we concede a very foolhardy goal at the death in our ground against 10 men.

    Sorry to be a pessimist.

    This season we have been stinking awful away.
    A. Madrid have a fortress at home.

    I’m happy to be wrong but I think the football gods gave us our break last game and Wenger blew it.

  104. Tippitappi

    been reading a lot of ‘positive crap’ about tonight this is a wenger side, so as shown in the first leg have neither the means nor know how to get a required result tonight. I don’t think their’ll get a beating they just won’t win through simples

  105. Zfree

    Out*

    Leeds – I would just hope now that he’s gone anyway, Wenger stops with all the excuses. We shall see

  106. Guns of SF

    Morning all from sunny Cali
    Today is D day
    Lets make it happen. Im getting the feeling we will score…. however, my worry is conceding…. we might even score 2!
    I just hope for a Costa red card. That guy is easy to wind up…. lets hope he kicks or chops or hammers one of our lowly defenders and earns the red…

  107. Guns of SF

    would love to see Demebele on the wing. A massive upgrade.
    I think we can nab him, and TBH, if we have a big time coach, that might also make a positive difference

  108. Zfree

    Problem with going for Dembele is it would dry up the entire transfer kitty. I’d rather we address the spine.

  109. BacaryisGod

    The problem is we have too many headcases on the team. Mustafi and Xhaka are always good for a crucial dumb error or rash challenge. Wilshere good easily pick up a red in this game or any other and Ospina is way too nervy.

    Oh, and Bellerin has been shocking today.