Arsenal do an Arsenal: Wenger’s last stand stutters on embarrassing mistake

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That my friends is why Arsene can’t exist at the highest level, and part of the reason he’s off. The club went all out, purchased in some fancy red and silver flags, the fans came with their voices in full flow, but when push came to shove, we were undone by a long ball and another Koscielny big game mistake.

Wenger called the draw the worst result for Arsenal, and he’s not wrong. The only team to beat Atleti at home this season is Chelsea in the Champions League, they’ve kept 10 clean sheets in the last 11 games, and we’ve not been great on our travels this season.

Crazier things have happened, but you can’t help but think we’ve blown our best opportunity. We played seriously well in the first half, we dominated possession, we were ‘almost’ bullying them. Danny Welbeck was quite the scene, pulling defenders out of position, delivering wicked passes, and doing his ‘nearly enough’ thing with a few chances Auba would have buried.

Vrsaljko kind of spoiled the game. He picked up two bookings inside 10 minutes, fouling Wilshere and Lacazette with poor timing. That was never going to work for us, Atleti doubled down on defending, and we couldn’t find a way to make the significant gains we needed to kill the Spanish side.

We did take the lead on 60, Jack Wilshere and Aaron Ramsey had a lovely interchange, Jack looped a cross to the back post, Lacazette was on hand to score another Europa goal. A superb header.

Arsenal couldn’t hold out. Wenger didn’t find the magic to affect the game. He didn’t even think of bringing on some fresh legs to ruffle a tiring 10 man side.

You just knew we weren’t going to hold on. Danny Welbeck needlessly lost the ball deep in Atelti’s half, a hoofed long ball managed to find Griezmann, the Frenchman shrugged off Kos and made it count. A disaster. But ever so typical of Koscielny who has made a habit of dropping clangers in important moments.

It’s incredibly frustrating, part of me felt like we had a real chance yesterday evening. We were the better team, we played the best football, and we created the most chances. The other part of me knows we’ve seen it before. Back when we were only semi shit, Chelsea would let us play our way into a loss. It felt a little like that last night. This comment from Simeone was interesting.

“It’s really hard to play away at Arsenal – an extraordinary stadium, a spectacular coach in the opposite dugout – with 10 men. These Atletico players, the way they played and put up with the pressure was tremendous. The fans brought a positive energy to accompany our passion.

“You guys have no idea how difficult it is to defend. Football is about playing and playing is the fun part, but you’ve got to have balls to defend with 10 men for 80 minutes.”

I’d love to defend like kings and come away from 10 men down with the upper hand.

Is the game over? No. Is it going to be the fight of our lives in the next game? Yes.

What yesterday showed is that we have great players and we can mix with the best. Give the club a world class manager who can instill the right sort of discipline and maybe the hike to the next level won’t be quite so arduous.

As for Wenger, it is what it is. He’s not good enough, we know this. He doesn’t know how to manage a game. He doesn’t have the smarts to see out a result, or jump on it and break its neck. That’s why he’s going, no point in ranting on. Even if he wins the tournament, we know he’s washed up. I’m just glad that whatever happens, it’s over for him.

Also, Atleti weren’t that impressive. They landed the result from a poor mistake. One that we make too often. But the game isn’t dead. We still have something to play for, and on our night, we can do anything.

Fingers crossed for leg 2, #BackDoorTop4 is still on… we’re just going to have to do it the hard way. All we need is one goal, then it’s game on.

See you in Spain…

447 Responses to “Arsenal do an Arsenal: Wenger’s last stand stutters on embarrassing mistake”

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  1. China

    I can’t believe I’m arguing with someone who thinks Koscielny’s and Mustafi’s fuck ups are fate.

    God help me

  2. Marko

    But I am stubborn enough to keep batting back when posters want to chirp up about my opinion.

    And my opinion too.

  3. Champagne charlie

    “Ah, so mistakes are equally as likely to happen regardless of preparation, players, tactics and coaching.Gotchya!“

    Yes, precisely what I said….

    “Mistakes occur even with the most meticulous preparation and attention to detail throughout. Otherwise mistakes would be totally eradicated at the very top level, they’re not.”

  4. Marko

    Anyway two of Gimenez, DeVrij, Manolas, Koulibaly, Alderweirald would be my bare minimum for the summer. Finally sort this shit. I’d argue another prospective one like Deligt of Ajax or Diallo because Chambers and Holding as backups are a bit scary. Definitely two new starting CB’s at a minimum.

    At least give us an opinion on prospective signings in that area Charlie. I mean since you’ve given up on thinking anything can be done with the error prone Koscielny and I assume Mustafi. Who’d you target

  5. Chigooner

    “Ah, so mistakes are equally as likely to happen regardless of preparation, players, tactics and coaching.Gotchya!“Yes, precisely what I said….“Mistakes occur even with the most meticulous preparation and attention to detail throughout. Otherwise mistakes would be totally eradicated at the very top level, they’re not.”

    Just feel bad for you man. The reason some defenders make 200k a week and some make 250 pounds a week is because not everybody makes mistakes at the same rate.
    The reason some managers make 5m a year and some make 50k a year is because some managers are better a setting up teams than others.
    At Arsenal we have a defender on 6 figures who constantly makes mistakes and a manager on 8m a year that can’t set up a team.

    Pull your head out.

  6. Leedsgunner

    This is the legacy of Wenger’s Arsenal circa 2018. He has made the players and some of the fan base believe they are victims.

    A new stadium our rivals can only dream of, a wage bill in the hundreds of millions but a mentality that refuses to acknowledge errors and fix them.

    No wonder we make the same errors again and again…

    Wenger’s departure might be imminent but his legacy of being bullied, shirking from responsibility and looking for excuses will take years to root out.

  7. China

    It’s precisely what you mean since you fail to address the frequency of errors made by different players being vastly different

    Charlie let me simplify this for you because you’re struggling.

    Your family want to go on holiday somewhere hot and dry. You pick Singapore which is hot and fucking wet. To nobodies surprise, it rains when you’re there and your family moan. To which you reply ‘even the Sahara desert sees rain once in a while. Who could’ve known it would rain in Singapore when we visited? It’s bad luck. There’s nothing we could’ve done differently to avoid the rain.

  8. China

    Meanwhile Dave from accounting takes his family to Egypt and laughs you out the room when he hears you talking about your shitty holiday

  9. Champagne charlie

    Marko

    I like Koulibaly, but a lot will depend on who the manager is and how we setup next season. I’d be curious to see Mustafi under a new manager, he has time on his side and a lot of his shit is decision making which can be coached.

  10. Chigooner

    Marko,

    One of the best things about Wenger leaving is I actually have some hope we can sort this squad out this summer.

    We have an age problem and we should start investing in young talent in the 24-25 year range. But we very well may need to patch things up with some older guys because I don’t think the funds will be there for two of the names you mentioned, plus midfielder, plus goalkeeper. We also need a wide player

  11. Rambo Ramsey

    That poster who warned Charlie earlier was bang on the money. Perilously close to #Neymargate levels now.

  12. Shank

    Yes wonga blew our best chance to win one Europa title in ages. I think if you analyze the game in its situation with athletico down to 10, arsenal missed trick by selling theo, giro and Alexis all in January. Yes we got Auba but knew he was cup tied and Miki was never as good as Alexis. If wongaa or board or both had used little common sense, we would have stronger bench with Giro or Theo coming on and probably we would win this 2/3-0 and got a final spot. Theo and giro got sold for 40 million approx and that is no big sum in today’s market.

  13. Champagne charlie

    China

    Don’t confuse the fact you’re a simpleton with me supposedly “meaning” what you’re saying.

    I’m well aware how error prone arsenal are and have been this season. That aside, it doesn’t mean for a second that what Kos did last night was avoidable from the managers perspective – which was the argument.

    You’ve just went on some (shit) comedic tirade. I am laughing though, can say that much 🙂

  14. China

    Charlie you’re giving me a migraine

    You say Mustafi’s shitty defending can be coached but say nothing could have been done about our shitty defending last night. And you say both of these things within 10 minutes of each other.

    lord help me!

  15. Chigooner

    Shank,

    Walcott is completely useless against a packed defender. And pretty useless in general. Giroud would have been interesting but Laca played pretty well and got a goal. Giroud had plenty of chances to take us to European glory. Remember Monaco…

    Miki was a player we absolutely missed.

  16. Leedsgunner

    We couldn’t even beat Newcastle and Brighton away and suddenly we’re going to turn it on against A. Madrid in their ground, when there’s a place for the Europa Final at stake?

    Yeah right.

    I hope I’m wrong but there’s hope and then there’s stupidity.

    The sickening thing is had we kept a clean sheet last night, we might have had a chance but because we conceded a goal, we will need to attack which leaves our error prone… I mean, bad luck prone defence even more exposed.

  17. steve

    Another pathetic performance thanks to that fraud Wenger who should’ve been told to leave immediately instead of at the end of the season.

  18. underrated Coq

    Mistakes happen, part of the game.

    Predicting, preparaing and overcoming mistakes are what separate the Winners from the losers. Small margins at the elite level.

    The best managed sides are disciplined to keep errors to a minimum, they are taught damage control, they are trained to turn disadvantage into an advantage.

    Can these be applied to Arsenal? We make blunders every game and regularly blow advantages that come our way.

  19. Champagne charlie

    China

    Pretty sure your multiple personalities are cause of the migraines. You really do struggle with basic comprehension. It’s scary

  20. Frankie Coffeecakes

    Really don’t know why you guys are engaging Charlie, it’s tantamount to that old saying about dealing with an idiot.

    Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

    To that end, this is precisely what Charlie does each and every stinking day.

  21. Chigooner

    Leeds,

    Haven’t been that upset about a game in awhile. We all knew it was the biggest game of the season. Everybody was up for it. We were hoping Arsenal could show up and do it for one game. It looked for a bit like the gods were on our side. And then Arsenal were just simply the same Arsenal they’ve been for quite awhile now.
    Of course it’s possible that we go through but please don’t put any money on it you can’t afford to lose because it’s extremely unlikely

  22. Leedsgunner

    When we play badly but win, The Wenger appeasers say..” What are you complaining about we won, three points are three points.”

    When we play well but lose, the same people say…”Stop complaining, at least we put on a good show… it’s bad luck it could happen to anyone.”

    Basically, whatever the result, the club must never be criticised.

    Either results matter or they don’t you can’t have it both ways.

  23. Leedsgunner

    I know, I know we drew… but it feels like a loss… in the context of the entire tie it will sadly lead to our downfall… utterly frustrating when they were there for the taking.

  24. Take me back to highbury

    Charlie saying we didn’t lose because of tactics.

    We drew that game exactly because of tactics

    Because Wenger didn’t change a damn thing.

    Didn’t make any subs. Nothing

    Think after going up in the 70th something minute a manager would maybe change the lineup a bit. Bring in some fresh legs. Bring in chambers. Kolasnic? Shore up ten defence

    Take it wellbeck and bring on iwobi?

    Nah. Let’s just wait for the inevitable to happen and let Wenger fuck it up.

    10m to make no subs or tactical changes in
    A semi final when playing v 10 men at home

    And let’s get this straight. Other than
    The goal which was directly caused by a Griezmann fuck and two other headers by Ramey and Laca , we didn’t really threaten even with our 100 shots

    So no weren’t spin tactically because we scored ONLY 1 goal vs 10 men for 78 minutes AND we let them score when all they wanted was to leave down only 1-0.

    Laughable. Pathetic. Weak.

    Like Wenger. Like CCs arguments

  25. Take me back to highbury

    You can take the shots, possession
    And passes stats and fuck them off.

    They mean nothing when a team is sitting back and letting you have the ball

    Like last night. And another great example is the Man U match at home.

    When the same posters wanted a open top bus parade because we “outplayed “ Man U and beat them 1-3!

  26. Chigooner

    “The goal which was directly caused by a Griezmann fuck and two other headers by Ramey and Laca , we didn’t really threaten even with our 100 shots”

    This is what gets me. Yes the defense is awful but so is the attack. We had such a lack of quality from our wide players. We have one plan of attack and we do it at one pace. I know Atleti defend and yes it can be hard to break down a packed defense but all season long we’ve been extremely poor in attack. Stale and predictable. One moment of brillance from Laca. Couple good saves. And then watch us try to recreate the Norwich goal for 70 mins. Against a back 8.

  27. Leedsgunner

    Lacazette was great in the air last night, so why not maximise that? Just bombard their box with crosses? If the situation was reversed that’s what they would have done.

    No; we have to pass the ball into the net because Wenger thinks football is an art. A well crafted goal is worth the exact same amount as a fortuitous goal — it’s the result that matters in the end.

    Football is not art if you end up spilling the paint over the floor and putting your foot in the canvas time after time.

  28. Dissenter

    CC
    Stop this one man defense of the indefensible
    It’s like hold your breath underwater, you know you’ll have ascend back to the surface at some point.

    How could we have had everything under control when were laboring to beat a team down to 10 men since the 12th minute with the manager in the executive box from the 15th min?
    Is that what you consider to be “in control”?

    Devote you intellect to finding the cure for cancer is something else, just not to throw dust into our collective psyche.

    Good managers would have made subs to TRY to change the game.

  29. Frankie Coffeecakes

    Want some gum gum dum dum Charlie?

    One thing i am not is dumb enough to engage you in any meaningful conversation or debate. You drag people into an abyss with your ridiculous rabbit hole schtick. Quite frankly, and unlike you, i have more than enough of a life than to waste much time on the likes if you.

    Again, want some gum gum dum dum?

  30. Champagne charlie

    Dissenter
    More intolerance of conflicting opinion, shocker. There’s been no defence of anything, I’ve said nothing outlandish, just had the usual le grove chest beaters take umbrage because I didn’t stamp my feet and call Wenger names after a shit result.

    Frankie
    I’m sure you’re a busy guy, benefits don’t claim themselves after all

  31. Frankie Coffeecakes

    Always a sarcastic quip as part of your condescending schtick, eh Charlietan?

    Must totally suck to be you.

  32. Champagne charlie

    Frankie

    Only when talking to a moron. Maybe revise the reason I addressed you in the first place.

  33. salparadisenyc

    Champers certainly has a bit of Keyser about him.

    Personally don’t think that tie is as dead in the water as most, if a number had to be put on it i’d say we have a 30% chance of getting thru.

    Anyone needed to see how much that away goal meant to Atletico’s style of play and how they’ll set up on the return theres some great footage of Simeone literally facing the wall going full “hail mary’s” before skipping out of emirates like that cat the eviserated the canary. He’s fun to watch, i’ll give him that, don’t think he expected to pull that kind of Houdini move in the 11th minute.

  34. London gunner

    Wenger is partially responsible for koz mistake.

    Any defender worth his salt whose been trained and drilled correctly would have just booted the ball of of play. Koz attempted wenger ball and tried to flick it back into play. Way to fancy way to complicated way to trying to be Barcelona and play every ball.

    Would you see koz make that mistake if simeone was his manager?

  35. Sancho Monzorla

    I was reading CC’s comments and was vaguely reminded of Keyser as well, can’t believe someone pointed it out just as I was thinking it lol.

    And speaking of, I certainly do miss Le-Grove’s resident king of tautology. Come back Keyser, it’s a new era brother!

    N5 as well, who was always so pleasant and helpful to the non-trolls and certainly a sheriff otherwise lol. Come back!

  36. SUGA3

    For the first time in yonks, I actually sat down to watch the game with some excitement, rather than watching the inconsequential run of the mill bullshit.

    We have once again showed the same old issues: being incapable of breaking down two banks of four, not taking responsibility, overcomplicating stuff and finally being utterly clueless defensively.

    AM will rip us a new arsehole next week. But not before Mourinho gets his final Wenger scalp.

  37. Sancho Monzorla

    Lol I forgot that this would be Wenger’s last chance to beat Jose in a match that counts. I don’t really count the Community Shield in 2015.

    I wonder if he’s thinking about that at all.

  38. Bamford10

    That we dominated possession last night is totally irrelevant. Atletico were happy to concede possession to us, especially when they went down to 10 men.

    That someone compared our performance last night to Liverpool’s demolition of Roma is embarrassing. Liverpool were fucking brilliant; we were the same ineffectual, pass-it-around-with-no-purpose side we’ve been watching (sadly) for years now.

    And Wenger had no one to bring in as a substitute because he has built a shitty squad — and this despite spending a ton of money.

    Thank God dipshit is leaving this summer, something that should have happened years ago.

  39. Peter12

    Marks, I beg to differ when you say ‘it wasn’t the tactics but Kos’s error’ that led to our poor result. When you play against 10 man, you know that they are going to shut shop (park the bus) and leave just one attacker high up the field , hoping that somehow they might get a chance to boot the ball out and perhaps catch a lone defender dozing (or make a mistake – as was in our case). That is what a 10-man team do particularly away from home. Now, what you must never do is to have a single defender designated to watch their single attacker, never, never, never. For one thing, your single defender is facing the wrong way when they boot out of defence quickly (that is the only way they can hope to get something out of the game). One little slip by our single defender we are done. That is exactly what happened last night. Big mistake in tactics and totally unnecessary: because we had the numerical advantage, we had the extra man; so the tactic is (should be) always to leave two defenders (not even crossing into the centre line) both ready to turn quickly and snuff out their lone attacker (Griezmann). This is textbook tactics. Let our remaining 8 players do the attacking (or just generally deal with) their 8 remains players. See how simple it is? But make sure you never leave their only attacker even to breathe. It is amazing that a man like Wenger never learnt this simple tactic. It is not even the first time he has been conned and it won’t be the the last. Any manager who is worth his salt will have learnt this in their kinder garden because the way Atletico played after losing their defender simply had to do that. There is no other way – for goodness sake! And you what? The reason why people (like Wenger) who say it is difficult to play with 11 man vs 10 man it is because they have not learnt or looking for an excuse. The fact is that if you throw your extra man to attack you are also crowding the attack area, so the attack is stifled (no room to manevour) while leaving the defence 1 against 1. This is a cardinal sin. It is unforgivable. On top of all that we don’t have a natural leader on the field who could work this out even if Wenger is oblivious to such elementary tactics. Did you notice how many attempted shots of ours got blocked? That was because on top of their deep and packed defending we threw in our extra man into crowd. So imo Wenger was entirely at fault tactically; no, he could not anticipated to be playing 11 against 10, but he didn’t have clue the correct tactics any decent manager must employ. It is negligence or ignorance of the highest order.

  40. Frankie Coffeecakes

    “Thank God dipshit is leaving this summer, something that should have happened years ago.”

    Caught me off guard with that one, LOL.

  41. Pierre

    Chigooner
    ” özil absolutely stunk the place out.”

    96 passes
    91% pass completion
    7 dribbles.
    And in case you think he was passing just for the sake of passing.

    6 chances created against Atletico Madrid.

    Yeah, he really stunk the place out.

  42. mysticleaves

    “we were the same ineffectual, pass-it-around-with-no-purpose side we’ve been watching (sadly) for years now.”

    I take it many people didn’t watch this game I watched. We made 28 shots on goal and 8 on target. We carved Atletico open at will, esp in the 1st half. There was no tactical fuck ups yesterday. I am totally with Charlie on this one.

  43. mysticleaves

    Pierre seriously so many people were having a go at Ozil especially gambon and Guns of Hackney (well, GOH has a go at everything) but I thought he was absolutely mustard. Couldnt have done much more

  44. Champagne charlie

    Mystic

    No you saw the same game many did, you’re just able to process it without the sort of disdain some like to invent whenever an opportunity arises.

    We totally bossed Atletico, quite literally in every department. It was a good performance and pathetic result.

  45. Take me back to highbury

    We totally bossed Atletico,

    Haha. They were a man down for 78 minutes

    What did you expect you simpleton?

    Atletico to come at us with their 10 players?

    Show me one example where a team with 10 men especially for as long as atletico did not get “bossed” as you say

    And If that’s being “bossed” to you, your
    Expectations are lower than your gfs are with you when two are about have sex

  46. Take me back to highbury

    Making 900 passes of sideways , backwards variety and having 2 headed chances is bossing a 10 Man atletico. And drawing 1-1. At home

    Boss!

  47. Pierre

    Take me back to Highbury (not much point, apartment block now)

    “And If that’s being “bossed” to you, your
    Expectations are lower than your gfs are with you when two are about have sex”

    Weird

  48. Marko

    You say Mustafi’s shitty defending can be coached but say nothing could have been done about our shitty defending last night. And you say both of these things within 10 minutes of each other.

    Not wanting to continue the nonsense but I thought this was good.

  49. Take me back to highbury

    Be interesting and a great social experiment if we got a red card in the first 15 m of the away match with atletico.

    The result. How the match plays out. Tactics used. But must of all the reaction on here by a certain few after the inevitable happened and atletico won by 4. You know took advantage and used to their benefit the 11 v 10 situation

    If only …

  50. Take me back to highbury

    So arsenal is meant to play offensive and rip the opponent apart with their slick
    Passing score goal after goals etc etc etc

    What happened last night that we couldn’t
    Even with the 1 man advantage for the whole match?

    Even the defensive minded atletico would beat us by 3/4 goals if they had the man advantage for 78 m at home

    Thts the point you simpleton

  51. Sancho Monzorla

    Aubergina 14

    Lol “Risk averse open football” is a great way to describe Wenger’s football strategy. It’s a fancy way of saying “no balls and endless sideways passing”.

  52. Dissenter

    “Arsenal aren’t AM. They are polar opposites. One side is built and drilled to be hard to be beat with 2 banks of 4 the other is more risk averse an plays open football.”

    It used to be that Arsenal played beautiful football…so now it’s open football.

    “Open football” is a new concept.
    Do you mind elaborating on this virgin footballing philosophy?
    We all know about total football, Jogo bonito etc.

    Your new concept of “open football” is actually a very naïve approach.
    You people come up with a lot of daft stuff to defend Wenger. It’s almost like your hair is on fire when Wenger get’s criticized.

  53. Sancho Monzorla

    Dissenter

    Remember it’s “risk averse” open football. Which to me sounds like making sure everyone has decent spacing and passing it back and forth a lot.

  54. Zacharse

    Imagine if we’d had Alexis for that match. Or even just a winger who could beat his man to the touch line and put a somewhat decent cross in

  55. Marko

    the other is more risk averse an plays open football.

    Brilliant. Lad is trying his hardest not to make us sound shite

  56. LINP

    Just watched again the replay of the goal. They have only one attacker and we have three defenders. Why do we set up a formation to have three defenders far from each other leaving Kos to defend alone. Are they taught to defend like that?

    All our defensive coaches should be replaced.

  57. TonyD

    Peter12
    My thoughts exactly.

    In GG’s days he would have out Keown on Greizman/last man up top as a man marker and still kept Adams as the last man to clear up any mistakes once the opposition had gone down to 10 men.

    Wenger should have done similar at the start of the 2nd half.

    Pierre
    Now Wenger is almost gone my focus will be on the team/games and by virtue of that: tactics, team selection etc.

    I’m sure we’ll still be critical of errors the new manager makes as we will be players’ performances. This is an Arsenal blog, right?

    What I’m certain of is you won’t see is obsessiveness against the right and respected manager. However, if we get the wrong manager hired, then you can expect a more critical view.

    Also the focus of any vitriol because of a poor hire will be firmly aimed at Ivan and Kroenkes. There can be no excuse for hiring the wrong man!

    I do wonder, though, if you, Victoria, Northern Aubergine et al will continue with your Wenger obsessions and compare the new manager’s tactics etc to your beloved messiah all the time.

    CC
    Thanks for the Neymargate mk II yesterday. It was true Bamfordesque but not quite as funny – more stupid really.

    Silly really because your posts can make good reading when you get rid of your Wenger crusade.

    A true version of a supporter having been Wengerised.

    Sometimes you ave to agree to disagree and move on.

    To all

    I hope we play our 2nd string against United. No one likes to lose to United and Jose, but the 2nd leg in Madrid far outweighs any significance of the United game.

    I hate United as much as the Spuds but I’d happily see the game sacrificed to give us the best chance against Madrid.

    For our Irish lads here, I’m off to see The Script tonight at Bangkok’s biggest indoor area – similar to Wembley arena. Should be a great gig, which sold out very quickly here.

  58. China

    Scathing Charlie, I’ll try to remember that one mate

    Regarding the tie I don’t think it’s over yet but we have a mountain to climb. It’s only one match and a bit of luck, a great performance or a combination of both could give us the win

    But this is arsenal in Europe against a damn good team so I’m not expecting anything

  59. Freddie Ljungberg

    After this season ends we will hopefully never have to watch suck a weak bench again unless we have an unprecedented injury problem.

    That was pathetic. Even with a 50m budget we can improve this shitshow massively if the new manager is ruthless and sells well.

    If we have a £100m budget we can compete for the title next season.

    Mustafi, chambers, Xhaka, Welbeck, Ospina can fetch us 80-100m in todays market. If we can get any money for Kos sell him as well.

    This would all be a lot easier if we had CL next season so hope they can pull off something in Madrid, Mikhi will be needed then.

  60. Take me back to highbury

    Arsenal aren’t AM. They are polar opposites. One side is built and drilled to be hard to be beat with 2 banks of 4 the other is more risk averse an plays open football.

    Haha arsenal have scored 66 goals in 34 matches. 1.94

    Atletico 54 in 34. 1.59 goals per game

    12 goal difference in 34 matches. .35 goals match difference

    Between two teams that are polar opposites. One is an open offensive art form of a team according
    To Wenger and his akb wankers

    The other a 2 banks of 4
    Defensive team who don’t play any offense.

    Why is the goals for difference so little. You’d think
    Wenger the greatest manager ever would have double the goals of the boring park the bus team like
    Simeone’s atletico

    No?

    Something doesn’t make sense in the stats the!?

    Please explain northern gimp?

  61. Pierre

    Tony
    “I do wonder, though, if you, Victoria, Northern Aubergine et al will continue with your Wenger obsessions and compare the new manager’s tactics etc to your beloved messiah all the time.”

    Why would I do that tony , wenger is tactically poor compared to the top managers . The names you have mentioned above all want the club to do well whoever is the manager unlike quite a few others on here.
    I look forward to seeing balanced comments on le grove and in the media when a new manager arrives.
    If the new manager had put in a performance similar to the other night I’m sure most people would be very happy , I would that’s for sure ….sometimes I’m a game you don’t get what you deserve.

    I understand the point about keown man marking with Adams covering but I will also point out that it was mustafi s job to cover but he was dreaming … His position was ok when the long ball to greizman was struck but mustafi didn’t react as he was expecting kosielny to deal with the situation , bad decision …..he could easily have come round on the cover if he had been more alert so it wasn’t as if it was just greizman and kosielny one on one .

  62. Paddy got bored

    Anyone else watch the youth cup final last night and think Jesus the standard of football must be shite if we got to the final!!
    Not one player there I could see has anything special to offer.
    Cameraman seemed obsessed with that nutter who goes with a bag of different shirts with different writing on them.. wears a fucking berry for some reason..
    Maybe next presenter on AFTV

  63. Dissenter

    ********************************************************************************************** PhD dissertation by Nortern Aubergine in partial fulfillment of Doctor of Wenger studies

    “Risk Averse Open Football (RAOF) ; Wenger’s gift to the world.”

    Academic Supervisors/ mentors : Professor Pierre, Wenger defense studies and Victorious, leader of the Wenger youth shock troopers.
    **********************************************************************************************

    Keep up the good work on your pseudo academic material.

  64. SUGA3

    Open football is not fucking risk averse by definition.

    Try: all petting, no penetration. No one taking any responsibility. Poor discipline. No leaders. No grafters.

  65. Emiratesstroller

    The starting point of a successful team in a competitive league like EPL is that
    you operate a solid defence.

    Four out of five league titles won under George Graham and Wenger included
    more or less the same defence.

    During Wenger’s first few years at the club he did not need to tinker or invest in the defence, which is why he was so successful.

    Sadly during his 21 year tenure as manager at the club he has never really learned that lesson. He has always focussed on recruiting low cost mobile defenders rather than specialists in that department.

    If there was one lesson that should be learned from Thursday’s game against
    AM it was the organisation and discipline of their team when they went down
    to 10 players.

    Incidentally Arsenal were frequently down to 10 players in the early part of Wenger’s management career not least the frequency of red cards during that
    period including several occasions when Patrick Vieira was sent off. Arsenal
    always coped well with that situation.

    Wenger’s era at Arsenal will be recalled for many innovations and some very
    attractive attacking football. However, it will be also reviewed for the lack of
    investment, attention to detail and frailty of our defence.

    No team will ever win a League Title they way that Arsenal have played over
    past 10 years. That is down to Wenger and his coaching team.

  66. UTarse

    Northern turnip,
    I see the usual meltdown is well under way, don’t worry I’m sure you’ll make another racist comment to another poster soon enough and get binned yet again you ignoramus

  67. SUGA3

    Aubergine,

    I do fully understand what you are trying to convey here. Just that I am not buying it at all, just because I like it simple.

    Wenger has created a creche, an embodiment of what is wrong with today’s western society with the participation trophy bullshit. This club has had the same problems for at least a decade, there is no sugarcoating this and there is no polishing this particular turd.

  68. SUGA3

    Wenger should have gone after the 07/08 season, where he showed himself as being utterly incapable of managing the team in the dire need of being managed.

    2008 was when we showed ourselves to be weak and incompetent on very many levels. Dein was ousted in April 2007. Coincidence? Of course not.

  69. Victorious

    Aubergine
    Wouldn’t waste more time and effort in explaining the respective difference in ‘style’ between ourselves and AM….. I mean it’s one thing when you’re explaining that to ‘reasonable’ posters and another completely different thing when said posters are: dissenter,utASS,j.oey,Tony,etc… its like banging your head on a rock,..they’re literally thicker than shit.

  70. Victorious

    Dicksenter
    “Academic Supervisors/ mentors : Professor Pierre, Wenger defense studies and Victorious, leader of the Wenger youth shock troopers.”

    what the actual fvck are you on about here? makes absolute no sense,are you by any chance suffering from ‘dementia praecox’?WTF

  71. Coach 15

    Paddy

    I watched the U18,the defending for all three goals,had the hallmark of the first team.
    First was a long ball over the central defenders,second unable to deal with a cross into the box and the third was just a shambles of defending in our own box.
    You could have been watching Kos & co.

  72. Paddy got bored

    Coach 15
    Your dead right mate.
    And that Ampadu done a good Wenger impression
    Sat on his hands all night and took off the only player who looked any good. Then que the collapse

  73. Tobs

    If we are eliminated on Thursday, is there a compelling reason for Wenger to stay till the end of the season?

  74. Elmo

    Re the Youth Cup Final last night, it looked more like the team just didn’t have the conditioning to maintain their level for the full 90s mins. The floodgates opened after 65 mins, even the centre backs were out on their feet, and it was all Chelsea.

  75. S Asoa

    Wish when Wenger goes off he takes both his illegitimacies with him. The blog is getting cluttered with their persistent inanity.
    Welcome back China. You know, like I know ,about the inevitable showers and heat in Singapore.

  76. Pierre

    Although Atletico should be commended for battling for a draw I have to say that soon as the red card was shown I said to my friend ,that’s it , the games ruined , Atletico will forget about playing football and will do their utmost to milk every situation and that’s how it transpired.

    Arsenal are just too nice at the moment and nice teams rarely win the top trophies . As soon as the red card was given on Thursday night Atletico went into survival mode , they used every trick in the book to frustrate Arsenal players and crowd ..I have to agree that if it was the other way round we would collapse , mainly because we don’t go into suvival mode ,we just carry on playing the same way.

    It is to do with having no leaders on the pitch and not having the ability to read the game and organising the team as different situations arise. I think fans long for a return to the days of keown giving van nistolroy a clump or vieira throwing his weight around
    I am sure todays players have passion and commitment but it seems diluted compared to previous times.

  77. Champagne charlie

    Seems a good number are getting tumultuous at the idea of Wenger leaving, jumping down the throat of anyone that isn’t lambasting everything following a shit result. Must be a case of trying to squeeze as many last tirades in before he’s off.

    Le Grovian meltdown at its finest.

  78. Marko

    Arsenal are just too nice at the moment and nice teams rarely win the top trophies

    Shite Arsenal are too shite at the moment. You spend the rest of your post dancing around saying anything negative about the team. We’re not nice or honest we’re just a bunch of inconsistent soft bellied wimps. Not up for the fight not up for anything really. It’s been a slow long decline but this is what the end is like and now we start anew. You make it sound like what Atletico did was a bad thing it’s what smart teams do. If that was us it’d be another hammering

  79. Bamford10

    Aubergine’s general description of how Wenger’s teams play isn’t incorrect; it’s just that he has omitted the most important point about this approach, namely, that it has been a complete and utter failure for at least a decade now.

    Teams are more tactically and positionally disciplined today; this is true for an Atletico, a City, a Barca, a Madrid, a Bayern, a Juventus, a PSG. No one simply plays an open style, and for good reason. Wenger has never adjusted to this new era of more disciplined, regimented play, and this is why Arsenal have been irrelevant also-rans for a decade now.

  80. Frankie Coffeecakes

    “Arsenal are just too nice at the moment and nice teams rarely win the top trophies “

    I think you are confusing nice with weak, Pierre.

  81. Marko

    jumping down the throat of anyone that isn’t lambasting everything following a shit result.

    There’s a certain pattern certain posters take after a defeat and let’s leave it at that. Certain people after a defeat make it about Wenger while others do their utmost to deflect. When he finally fucks off what will we argue about

  82. Marko

    It’s worth noting that the end of the season can’t come soon enough it’s likely to get worse. Just one more home game left against Burnley. It’s very possible we lose our away games

  83. Bamford10

    Pierre

    There are plenty of big personalities, leaders and no-nonsense types in football today; Wenger just hasn’t signed those kinds of players. And the cozy atmosphere on the training ground and in the dressing room hasn’t done anything to cultivate that kind of disposition or mentality in our players. The opposite.

    If Arsenal players are “too nice,” as you say, they are this way because Wenger’s approach is “too nice”.

  84. Marko

    If Arsenal players are “too nice,” as you say, they are this way because Wenger’s approach is “too nice”.

    It’s not even a case that we all of a sudden need to start targeting hard men or the like we just need our players to have personality.

  85. Bamford10

    “Diego Simeone says Giménez, Griezmann, Saúl & Oblak will not play against Alaves tomorrow.” – @GurjiAFC

  86. Victorious

    Bamford
    “Teams are more tactically and positionally disciplined today; this is true for an Atletico, a City, a Barca, a Madrid, a Bayern, a Juventus, a PSG. No one simply plays an open style, and for good reason”

    Except I wouldn’t lump Athletico with those teams and for good reasons,and what do you mean by those teams dont play an open style?

    watching the highlights against AM again and I could see why the boD wouldn’t go near Simeone,he emphasizes defense first before attack,and has his teams packing the bus in every other match,but yea he can bore his way to one or two trophies but you wouldn’t feel you’re getting value for money when you sit there and watch his team play,paint dry and all that.

  87. Pierre

    Marko
    “it’s what smart teams do. If that was us it’d be another hammering”

    I think if you read my post you will come to the conclusion that is what I said ..
    It’s like the name ” Pierre ” comes up is like a red rag to a bull .
    Charlie is right ..you seem to have trouble comprehending what people say .

  88. Bamford10

    We would carry on playing the same way precisely because we have a manager who doesn’t really manage, not because of the personalities of our players.

    To the extent that the habits, tendencies or mentality of our current players would contribute to our “carrying on playing the same way,” this is due to the manager not cultivating a different mentality in his squad.

  89. Pierre

    Victorious
    I agree

    Simeone is basically no different to Jose ……would hate either of them at The Arsenal.

    Pep has proved you can win whilst playing the beautiful game .

  90. Bamford10

    Victorious

    Of course Atletico’s approach is more defensive than those other teams, but those other teams are no less disciplined or regimented. No one but Arsenal plays an “open” style. That approach died a long time ago.

  91. Bamford10

    No, Aubergine, that is not true. Those teams play passing, attacking football, yes, but that is not the same thing as an “open” style. Guardiola’s teams are a good example of this: they obviously play a very pretty form of passing football, but they are following very explicit instructions re spacing and spaces to attack, instructions they train on constantly and cover repeatedly in the classroom. Indeed Gauardiola has all of his training fields divided into twenty different spaces and he has different, specific instructions for positioning and spacing for each of those twenty spaces. He also instructs his players on specific spaces to attack and how. See article below for some discussion of this.

    “Vulnerable channels and 20 zones: the tactics behind Guardiola’s title win”
    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/apr/16/tactics-pep-guardiola-manchester-city-title

  92. Take me back to highbury

    Atletico Madrid out played Real Madrid in the last two matches they have played in the CL. The 2 finals I believe.

    They deserved to win both.

    Not boring. Not four banks of 4. Smart. Disciplined. Good football.

    Go re watch those matches.

    Wenger couldnt lace Simone’s boots.

  93. Pierre

    Bamford
    Of course it reflects on the manager ..that goes without saying
    I didn’t think I had to spell it out ..

    I have been saying about our midfield for years and the lack of discipline from Ramsey …this reflects on the manager .
    I thought Ramsey struggled a bit on Thursday playing in a more attacking role ahead of xhaka and Wilshere
    His positional play and touch was poor for a large part of the game ,I felt he struggled to come to terms with his role in the team ….pity really because it was a great chance for him to show his capabilities in that role.

  94. Marko

    has his teams packing the bus in every other match,but yea he can bore his way to one or two trophies but you wouldn’t feel you’re getting value for money when you sit there and watch his team play,paint dry and all that.

    Not parking the bus do you blame him for that being down to 10 men with 80 minutes to go in a semi-final. Would you respect them more if they got beat 10-2 or something. Value for money you get value for money with us? Grow up

  95. Marko

    I think if you read my post you will come to the conclusion that is what I said ..
    It’s like the name ” Pierre ” comes up is like a red rag to a bull .
    Charlie is right ..you seem to have trouble comprehending what people say .

    No I get what you’re saying in a roundabout kind of tip toeing way I just get there faster. You say we’re too nice I say we’re flat out poor

  96. Bob N16

    Enjoyed reading the thread. CC and Aubergine offering their reasoned views, Steve, Utarse and others jumping on them, accusing them of being Wenger obsessive/ AKBs when they are the true Wenger obsessives.

    My view of the game, not clinical enough, Oblak a great goalie, we were up for it, predictable defensive mistake, win still possible…20 – 80 in AM’s favour.

    I was calling for AMN to be tasked with using his speed to offer protection for CBS…man mark Griezman, replacing Wilshere(no covering pace) for last 15 mins. Wenger tactically inept.

  97. Pierre

    Take me back to Highbury ( because J.oe lives in the past)

    Have you forgotten jo.e that Atletico Madrid played with only ten men for 90 minutes and we only scored one goal……I thought I’d remind you as you haven’t mentioned it for at least 12 hours.

  98. Take me back to highbury

    Marko

    Spot on

    We haven’t played anything resembling exciting pleasing on the Eye football for years.

    Our football is boring sideways backwards tip tap snail pace.

    The myth that we play attacking offensive football lives on now with aubergine in “open football”.

    Ask atletico and Juve fans who’s been getting more value for their money the last decade.

    Ask the 10,000 fans that stay away from
    Emirates every week if they get value for their money

    Bore his way to two league trophies haha

    Yeah I’d rather bore our way to whatever the fuck Wenger has done the last decade.

    Makes sense

  99. Marko

    I thought Ramsey struggled a bit on Thursday playing in a more attacking role ahead of xhaka and Wilshere
    His positional play and touch was poor for a large part of the game ,I felt he struggled to come to terms with his role in the team ….pity really because it was a great chance for him to show his capabilities in that role.

    One could almost say that he should have been substituted

  100. Marko

    I was calling for AMN to be tasked with using his speed to offer protection for CBS…man mark Griezman, replacing Wilshere(no covering pace) for last 15 mins. Wenger tactically inept.

    Exactly. So a substitution was warranted. I agree wholeheartedly

  101. Take me back to highbury

    Pierre

    Tell us again how we only scored one goal v 10 man atletico for 80 minutes because we are too nice

    Hahaha

    Oh my heard it all on here the last couple days

    11v10 isn’t an advantage

    We are too nice.

    We play open risk averse football.

    Go support PSG next season once Wenger gets appointed there. You’ll be so happy following your messiah.

    You’ll have to learn to make up all the excuses in French though when chatting on the PSG equivalent of Le Grove.

  102. Take me back to highbury

    You’re wrong aubsrgine

    You’re just to thick to say Wenger is a fucking moron to try to play your open football because he has no clue how to
    Implement it and get the best out of his players day in day out

    Somehow these same players won the fa cup last season over Chelsea playing open
    Football.

    It’s not the players. It’s the man leading the players.

    We do have the players. We do have the goals

    We don’t have right man leading the players to get them firing

    End of the season can’t come quick enough

  103. Take me back to highbury

    How come most of our players aren’t
    So “nice” when they play for their national teams

    Ramsey
    Ozil
    Xhaka
    Iwobi

  104. Pierre

    Marko
    Forgive me if I’m wrong but you seem to have a new obsession …..substitutions .

    Give it a rest , it was boring before and it’s boring now …

  105. Bamford10

    Jo.e

    Wenger isn’t going to PSG; they’re too smart for that; they know he’s terrible.

    He’s going to China, along with other washed-up types.

  106. Take me back to highbury

    Yes Pierre, because it was such tactical brilliance not to make a sub.

    99,9% of managers would have made subs in that situation.

    To change something. Fresh legs. Whatever.

    Not Wenger though.

    10m pounds a season. Then tells us the red card wasn’t an advantage ha

  107. Take me back to highbury

    Guns

    If there was one man that could do it, Wenger would be him.

    I really hope he goes to a big club

  108. Marko

    Marko
    Forgive me if I’m wrong but you seem to have a new obsession …..substitutions

    Forgive me if I’m wrong but you were saying Ramsey was having a poor game. So you’d keep him on? Make no subs? Fair enough

  109. Marko

    Full sure he’d take a cosy job in China tbh. Great place to make a tonne of money…ahem sorry I meant to say great place for his “values”

  110. Wallace

    Marko

    “Forgive me if I’m wrong but you were saying Ramsey was having a poor game. So you’d keep him on? Make no subs? Fair enough.”

    you’d be fancying Iwobi to maybe snatch that all important second?

  111. Marko

    you’d be fancying Iwobi to maybe snatch that all important second?

    Nah I was thinking more like Kolasinac or Chambers to help make sure we don’t concede an away goal

  112. Marko

    Says a lot about the type of fan you are where you’re making arguments for scoring a second goal as opposed to keeping a clean sheet.

  113. Wallace

    “Says a lot about the type of fan you are where you’re making arguments for scoring a second goal as opposed to keeping a clean sheet.”

    1-0 up playing at home against 10 men…you expecting us to dominate in Madrid against 11 like we did the other night?

  114. Marko

    Answer me this Wallace old buddy old pal which is more important in the last 10 minutes of a Euro semi-final scoring a second goal or making sure you don’t concede an away goal? Keeping in mind we could only score one in the previous 80 minutes

  115. Take me back to highbury

    Wallace

    How about iwobi comes on with fresh legs and is able to help keep atletico
    Pinned back. Open them up? He is speedy

    Maybe he keeps the ball instead of wellbeck losing it.

  116. Wallace

    “Answer me this Wallace old buddy old pal which is more important in the last 10 minutes of a Euro semi-final scoring a second goal or making sure you don’t concede an away goal?”

    11 vs 11 the latter, when you’ve been playing against 10 men for the majority of the match, and your opponent hasn’t conceded a goal at home in forever then I think you really go for that second.

  117. Marko

    your opponent hasn’t conceded a goal at home in forever then I think you really go for that second.

    Could counter with we haven’t kept a clean sheet in forever and have an abject away record so not conceding at home was far more important because we WILL concede away. But I can see where this is heading. No matter what you just won’t admit that we messed up and he should have been more disciplined and cautious in the last 10 minutes