Ivan’s trial balloons + Arsenal’s likely search and select process

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Things feel like they’re moving at a rapid pace in the hire for the new manager of Arsenal FC, but I’d caution you to all slow down a touch.

The leaks to the press are interesting, but I think we need to be careful about what we believe.

Things we’re pretty damn certain about:

1. Arsenal were not talking to any manager about Arsene’s job before last Thursday. That was a respect thing, the club like to claim they have class, and we’ve no reason to believe otherwise.

2. Arsenal want to get this next hire right. Ivan has been waiting for 10 years to make a proper impact on the playing side. This is his chance, his moment to shine like Pascal Cygan’s forehead on a summers day. Do not believe they fired Wenger so they could make a decision in 4 days. They have time, they’ll use it.

The club will go through a proper search and select process. Firstly, they’ll likely have spent a year building a brief of the type of manager they want to hire, Ivan already stated he wants someone who can work with young players, it’s clear they want someone who understands how to implement a pressing game, and he’ll want to lean into the playing values Wenger brought to the club. They’ll be thinking about what they’re looking to achieve, and the ways they can achieve it, as well as the different ways they can achieve those goals.

From there, they’ll compile a group of names and they’ll press contacts throughout Europe to build reports (Sven and Raul will show their worth here, just like Henrique has been doing at PSG). They’ll want to know about their characters, their ability to deal with pressure, style of management, how they work with those above them, and what players think of them. According to Ballague’s book, it was after this phase Arsene Wenger was pushed out of the reckoning for the Barca job in 2008.

From there, they’ll whittle down to a list of names they can speak to, maybe they’ll reach out to agents to gauge interest, then they’ll set up interviews.

You’d imagine for a job the size of Arsenal, they’ll be expected to present their vision of the club (Ryan Giggs classically failed here for Swansea). Arsenal will want to interrogate their ideas for Arsenal, find out more details about their footballing ideals/values, understand their management style, and get to grips with how they work with the specialists where they are. Jose Mourinho failed to get the Barca job back in the day because when he was asked if he’d relinquish his combative approach in the media, he refused, stating it’s part of his game.

I’d imagine after working with Wenger, the club will want someone amenable to a more democratic structure, a man open to new ideas, comfortable with empowering those around them with responsibility and decision making power, and the absolute key… being able to communicate ideas with intensity and passion.

Whenever you read about Pep, it’s always his intensity. Players love his training sessions (read), no one has more energy than him, no one has better ideas, and his commitment and his vision are utterly infectious (watch). Intensity is something we lack on and off the pitch, and it’s something the board will want to see back at the club.

So basically, what I’m saying is this… sure, Enrique and Arteta are going to be in the mix for the new role at the club, but don’t be daft enough to think they’re near a decision yet.

I’m not so keen on Enrique. I don’t know a lot about him, but I kind of feel he’s a poor man’s Pep G. This from Sid Lowe at ESPN very eloquently gives an insight into the manager that I’m not sure we’d enjoy.

Barcelona’s problems are a reality. The team that once invited opponents onto them now looks frightened when they are pressed, unable to find a way out; those passageways they once opened remain closed, the mechanisms malfunctioning. Or maybe there aren’t any? Maybe that element of their game, once so central and important, has been relegated to a minor issue? The evidence on the pitch suggests so, and so did the comments on the touchline.

Luis Enrique is a former Barcelona player, a Barcelona B-team manager, a man who embraced the city and the club and loved to wind up Madrid, who said he was coming “home” when he took over, likening the Camp Nou to Disneyland. But some critics suspected that he was not really Barcelona, and now they’re even more convinced. When Luis Enrique said he was “faithful” to the style but wanted to “evolve it, perfect it, improve it,” they suspected he actually meant destroy it. Now they’re even more convinced of that. Not least because they were convinced of it then, even as he won trophies and fans chanted his name

I’m kind of hoping the name will go away, but the key here is that Enrique knows someone at the club.

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There’s a clear pattern from yesterdays media leaks. All the people that are supposedly still in the mix are linked to someone at the club. I don’t think that’s necessarily a key decision point, but as you know in business, it really fucking helps if someone can vouch for you. I have my doubts it’s any different in football.

I’d imagine a big part of Ivan’s decision making has to be with the fans. He’ll never admit it, but he needs us onboard. Letting Sky know Arteta was his favoured candidate might not be as irresponsible as you think. I’m sure he’s gauging fan reaction to see how much stomach we have for risk. Managerial trial balloons, I’m not sure he’d have liked the reaction, which seems cold if I’m honest.

I’ve been telling you since last May the club wanted the return of Arteta, and that the Spaniard turned down Spurs because he wanted to return to us at some point. I wrote in November why he’d be an interesting hire.

To summarise:

1. Signing Arteta works from a culture perspective, he gets the club, he’s well-liked, and he knows everyone

2. Ivan would own his pristine hair and his backside. Being a kingmaker allows you to control the manager and the direction of the club. Something he’s lacked under Wenger.

3. You’re hiring from the best-tutored coach in the world game. The greatest innovators are usually exposed to genius somewhere along the line (Steve Jobs @ Xerox). They often take others ideas, and reimagine them for themselves. If Arteta is as smart as they say he is, he could be a force to be reckoned with if he can adapt to the gravity of the job.

4. There’s a cost benefit. A young manager charges less, comes with fewer people, and if it goes wrong you don’t have to spend much to rectify the issue.

I’m not sure we’ll have the balls to go with an Arteta like signing, but look, I’d not be against the move. I think it’s strategically sound, and I’d certainly be excited about watching a young manager bring Pep levels of intensity to the Colney dossers club.

Definitely worth a few of your pennies if you’re a gambler, but I do think it might be sharper for the club to look at Nagelsmann if we’re going for untested. He’s already proved he can build something from nothing, he’s taken Hoffenheim to the Champions League (from relegation fodder), he’s shown he can develop players, and he’s on the verge of recreating the same success of last season for the second year running. He’d still be a brave move, but I think the fans would be more comfortable with him as a risk.

There will be more names linked, likely more experienced, and I think the favourites list from the bookies will go back and forth. Expect Conte to be linked, I’d imagine the Allegri rumours will start again, we’ll absolutely explore Jardim, and I’d imagine we’ll see names like Hassenhutl, Jardim, Poch, Carlo and Tedesco in the papers.

Everyone, I say this truthfully, I have not been this excited about Arsenal for 15 years.

The future is bright. It’s technical. It’s unpredictable and joy-filled whatever happens.

We’ve broken the grip of Wenger, now we can enjoy football like any other fan of a rich elite club in London.

What a summer we have ahead.

See you in the comments.

490 Responses to “Ivan’s trial balloons + Arsenal’s likely search and select process”

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  1. Ishola70

    “VVD has been a superb sighing for Liverpool. The guy is a leader. I thought he was way overpriced but looks like Liverpool were right in spending a fortune on him.”

    Messi would have both Dick and Lovren on toast.

  2. Ishola70

    R.S.P.C.Arsenal
    “What happened to the ox . Just got in an he’s leaving on a stretcher ..Did it look bad ?”

    yeah nasty.

    Big heavy collision on’s Ox leg

  3. Ishola70

    TR7
    “you don’t rate VVD?”

    I see his strengths as you say leadership, strong

    but a low gravity tricky dribbler up through the middle will gave him big headaches.

    Not the most agile.

  4. Ishola70

    lovely goal.

    effortless.

    and unsuprisingly on the defender Jesus’ side.

    Should keep on pecking at Jesus’ side of defence.

  5. azed

    “Salah has to be the best signing in the last 10 years.”

    I think Mahrez has to be. $400k and led Leicester to an EPL title takes it for me.

  6. Ishola70

    Salah shows Mane what real top class marksmanship is about.

    Great finish.

    This Jesus is getting the runaround by Salah, Big weakness in the Roma side.

  7. Ishola70

    What does the trainspotter do for Roma at half time?

    The left side of his defence is weak.

    Jesus is praying to the skies at this point.

  8. Dissenter

    You just know that Liverpool will win this year’s champion’s league.
    They have the best player in Europe this season.
    Salah is on course to become the best player in Europe for 2017-2018.

  9. gambon

    Depressing to think that Liverpool fans know they will be fighting for the title next year…and they’ve already made the best signing of the summer.

    Meanwhile Arsenal will be banging on about values….which is a euphemism for “we aren’t interested in competing”

  10. TR7

    32 year old Milner puts most if not all our midfielders to shame. Tireless running, good passing and understanding of the game, very few errors.

  11. Dissenter

    Klopp knew how he wanted to play…and then the club got him the type of payers needed to make it work.

  12. Take me back to Highbury

    Gambon

    Spot on. I would trade all 3 of our last fa cups to make a CL final

    Brings way more excitement

  13. Dissenter

    Liverpool have peaked at the right moment.
    That’s contrary top what many said about Klopp’s teams
    Aren’t they supposed top be tiring now with all the gergenpressing?

    Defies the conventional belief held here about Klopp.

  14. azed

    “32 year old Milner puts most if not all our midfielders to shame. Tireless running, good passing and understanding of the game, very few errors.”

    This was one of Wenger’s biggest problems. You don’t need 11 technical players, you mix and match.
    Put a Cazorla with Milner and another worker and see him do his magic.

  15. Wallace

    Dissenter

    “Liverpool have peaked at the right moment.”

    for a run in the champions league, yes.

    how far back of City are they in the league?

  16. Pierre

    Take me to back to the place I have never been to in my life .

    Just think , next season J.oe will have to watch a game without referring to Wenger or AKB’S every time a player does something decent .

  17. Dissenter

    Liverpool have also built up a very good squad, every player has very good competition
    To make matters worse they have Kwita coming in next season.

    gambon,
    I hate to break it to you.
    Liverpool may have won the signing of the season for next season in Naby Keita.

  18. Take me back to Highbury

    Pierre

    It’s going be fucking wonderful not having to see the fraud on our sidelines

    Can’t wait for next season.

  19. Pierre

    Take me back to the place where I have never seen Arsenal play.

    J.oe ,there is no way you will be able to watch a game of football next season whether it’s Arsenal playing or whoever without referring to Wenger or AKB’S.

    How about try starting tonight .

  20. Take me back to Highbury

    Why Pierre.

    Does it bother you so much that Liverpool is proving how much of a waste the last decade was for arsenal under Wenger because fans like you couldn’t let go?

    It must kill you that “Klopp the flop”
    Is showing up Wenger to be the complete fraud he is

  21. Ishola70

    Liverpool are through yet folks.

    This is a team that canned Barca at home.

    To say they are a handy home team is understating.

  22. Take me back to Highbury

    Charlie

    We’ve played Swedish and Russian pub teams to get to the semi finals of Europa

    Let’s not judge.

    They did just beat Barca over two legs

  23. Samesong

    Ishola70April 24, 2018 20:00:30
    Liverpool are through yet folks.

    Don’t see Liverpool front 3 not going to Roma and not scoring.

  24. Ishola70

    3-0 .

    However good Salah is that left hand side of Roma’s defence is shocking.

    That Jesus guy on that side is shocking.

    Just let Salah have the walk of the park again.

  25. Champagne charlie

    Fuck off j.oe you moron, a spade is a spade. Roma are wank.

    That was a freak result against a complacent, arrogant Barcelona. They got spanked 4-1 I’m the first leg, they’re going to get beat by 5 in the CL semi.

    Is been 3 vs 3 at the back all game long and they’re doing nothing about it.

  26. Take me back to Highbury

    Charlie

    Let me put it another way

    We wouldn’t not be up 3 nil v Roma

    We would not beat them over 2 legs.

  27. Ishola70

    Laughing at how bad a defender Jesus is.

    Again no idea where he is with another Liverpool chance.

    Shocking defender.

  28. Ishola70

    lol said after 15 minutes target Jesus and the left hand side of their defence and Salah just walks past Jesus again for their fourth.

  29. Take me back to Highbury

    Fuck off j.oe you moron, a spade is a spade. Roma are wank.

    And what the fuck were ostertunds and CSKA

    Haha

    Fuck me

  30. Dream10

    This Roma performance is reminiscent of ours at Anfield in on a sunny Sunday last August.

    They pressed Barcelona with the same midfield. They haven’t been able to deal with the direct ball bypassing their centre.

  31. Champagne charlie

    J.oe
    What have arsenal got to do with Roma being shit? Drop the pathetic commentary.

    Hillwood
    No mate, sorry but this is total capitulation from Roma. Liverpool haven’t had to do a thing, they’re being given acres and acres to play in. No defender within 10 yelards of Salah for that goal and you’re telling me it’s Liverpool playing well? Cmon

  32. Dissenter

    Ishola
    Why are you slating the defender?
    You’re always seeking a villain
    How about just aknowledging that Salah is simply unplayable at the moment. He’s on fire.

  33. Ishola70

    The Roman trainspotter did nothing at half time to remedy the problems on the left hand side of his defence.

    Pays the price heavily.

  34. Dissenter

    When you look at the depth Liverpool have. They have many senior players out injured like Lalana and Nathaniel Clyne.
    Yet Klopp keeps finding a way.

  35. Dream10

    Samesong

    Liverpool wanted to sign Alisson for next season, but he’s too expensive. Real and PSG linked as well.

  36. Ishola70

    Dissenter
    “Why are you slating the defender?
    You’re always seeking a villain
    How about just aknowledging that Salah is simply unplayable at the moment. He’s on fire.”

    Don’t be daft Dissenter.

    I’ve acknowledged on here that Salah is playing superbly but that still does not get away from the fact that after 10 minutes that Jesus guy looked a dud.

    5-0

  37. Dissenter

    Didn’t Liverpool beat city HOME and AWAY.
    What’s all the hair-pulling about?
    They are the best team in Europe at the moment…on form.
    They will wallop Madrid if the CL finals was scheduled for next week.
    They are the team on form

    Stop insulting Roma..Liverpool are just too good at the moment.

  38. Wallace

    weird game. Roma actually looked really good the first 15mins. the Ox going off and Liverpool going more direct has killed them. Wijnaldum very impressive.

  39. Ishola70

    lol Dissenter what is wrong with you?

    We can acknowledge that Liverpool are playing well and have a great player in Salah but at the same time criticise some of the Roma defending and some of their individual players.

    But you would prefer the line just that Liverpool are fantastic. That’s a bit simplistic Dissenter.

  40. Champagne charlie

    Hillwood

    Sorry mate, but Roma have been fucking abysmal. You can blow smoke up Liverpool all you like but that Roma back three have been Sunday league, individually and as a unit.

  41. Ishola70

    Let’s not act if this is a great surprise.

    Liverpool have the pedigree and the genes for this competition simple as thar.

    This has nothing to do with the EPL.

    This is Liverpool and the Champions League.

    Separate entity.

  42. gambon

    Charlie

    When Wenger took over we hadnt won the league for 5 years, a Euro trophy for 2 years, and were the second most successful club in the country.

    We’re now 14 years without the league, havent made it past the R16 for 7 years, got humiliated 10-2 last year, we’re at our lowest for 23 years, the finances are shot because no companies want to be associated with a failing team.

    We have the worst defence in the top 6, and are the only club in the top 6 that doesnt have a £100m rated player because we’ve bought utter shit for the last 5 years.

    Yes, I would say Wenger has set us back a long, long way.

  43. Take me back to Highbury

    Gambon

    Careful what you wish for they told us for 10 or more years

    Klopp has taken 3 years to get Liverpool to a CL final but our fans don’t think we can win the league with 3 and Cl within 5

    I will go out on a limb here and say we will
    Compete for the league next season and CL within 3.

    That’s how much I believe Wenger has fucked over Arsenal.

    CC just doesn’t want to give Liverpool credit because it makes Klopp look good and Wenger like the imbecile he is.

    Now watch Pierre. Victorious and the ilk do the same

  44. Marko

    Prior to tonight Roma conceded 41 goals on the season so 46 now while we’ve conceded 65 so I wouldn’t be so quick to criticize another teams defending. We also conceded 63 the previous season

  45. Champagne charlie

    Gambon

    You crack on with the Wenger talk, his era is done.

    Arsenal have a modern stadium, rake in the money, 5th most valuable club in world football, 6th most popular club in world football.

    To suggest we’ve been ruined, or set back, is rubbish. You and others are banging such a bs drum, get the managerial appointment right and we’ve every chance to be in the conversation again for years to come.

  46. Ishola70

    Roma showing signs here of what they will do in the second leg.

    Can put heavy attacking pressure on Liverpool in the second leg.

    Problem is for them though certain areas of defence with Salah around.

    Jesus should be left out for the second leg. Will have mental scars from this match tonight.

  47. Champagne charlie

    “CC just doesn’t want to give Liverpool credit because it makes Klopp look good and Wenger like the imbecile he is.“

    I wanted Klopp at arsenal you absolute gobshite. Liverpool have been good, but Roma have given them an abundance of space against a slow back 3.

    More like you can’t call Roma shit, instead you talk abou Arsenal being shit when we’re not even playing.

    Marko
    Oh is that how it works mate? Arsenal are shit at defending, so arsenal fans can’t moment that another team has been shit?

    That’s a new one. Arsenal could’ve onceded 109 for the season, Roma have still been fucking awful in a CL semi final.

  48. gambon

    “Arsenal have a modern stadium,”

    A modern stadium that wont even be the best, or biggest in North London in 3 months time.

    “rake in the money,”

    No….used to rake in the money. That all changed when Wenger presided over the current slump that has seen us go from the second biggest financially in the PL to the 5th, soon to be joint 5th with Spurs. We’ve allowed Chelsea, then City, and then Liverpool to overtake us.

    “6th most popular club in world football.”

    Which means nothing when 20,000 people stay away, and sponsors dont want to be associated with us.

  49. Ishola70

    Marko
    “Prior to tonight Roma conceded 41 goals on the season so 46 now while we’ve conceded 65 so I wouldn’t be so quick to criticize another teams defending. We also conceded 63 the previous season”

    Nice stats Marko but I could see that Jesus looked a big weak link and looked a little lost after 10 minutes.

    Really their manager should have looked to sort something out at half time but he didn’t.

  50. Take me back to Highbury

    rake in the money, 5th most valuable club in world football, 6th most popular club in world football.

    We were all this before Wenger came.

    Don’t pretend Wenger made arsenal.

    The stadium was gong to be built regardless of Wenger or not

    How are spurs building a stadium without a “Wenger”?

  51. Pierre

    Take me to back to the place where Arsene Wenger won 3 premiership titles..

    It’s still Wenger ,Wenger ,Wenger …give it a rest jo.e.

  52. Marko

    Oh is that how it works mate? Arsenal are shit at defending, so arsenal fans can’t moment that another team has been shit?

    I mean we can but it’s a bit rich is all. Especially from you I seem to remember us incessantly arguing during the summer about signings and you were of the opinion that the 5-2-3 formation that worked in the cup final and better tactics were the way to go forward while I wanted defensive signings. I wouldn’t be too harsh on the likes of Manolas or Fazio

  53. Champagne charlie

    “No….used to rake in the money. That all changed when Wenger presided over the current slump that has seen us go from the second biggest financially in the PL to the 5th, soon to be joint 5th with Spurs. We’ve allowed Chelsea, then City, and then Liverpool to overtake us.“

    Deloitte money league has us at 6th in January 2018. So we clearly do rake it in.

    “Which means nothing when 20,000 people stay away, and sponsors dont want to be associated with us.“

    Except they’re patently not going to stay away now, and both Nike and Adidas are fighting to be our next kit sponsor on top of the recent crypto currency deal, Emirates extension, and car partnership – all signed since January this year.

    What evidence do you have for the claim sponsors don’t want to be associated? Sounds like your opinion paraded as fact.

  54. Wallace

    gambon

    “When Wenger took over we hadnt won the league for 5 years, a Euro trophy for 2 years, and were the second most successful club in the country.”

    mate, I don’t think the second most successful club in the country has Bruce Rioch in charge. if you’re going to talk shit at least wait until some of the older posters have gone to bed.

  55. Champagne charlie

    Marko

    I’m very much of the opinion our defensive issues are more tactically dependent than personnel. Wenger ignored off the ball work, we have no shape, and there’s no discipline in the team at all.

    Take any of our back four and give them to Simeone and they’d perform better defensively. Give us the best defender you can think of and we’ll still be shit defensively.

    That argument also took place with the relative budget in mind. You’re always talking about making 8 signings and swapping players out like it’s Fifa – something arsenal cannot fiscally produce.

  56. gambon

    Charlie

    What evidence?

    We have less sponsors than all the other “big clubs”

    Both Manchester teams make over £100m more than us in Sponsorship

    The Sponsorship gap to Man Utd has gone from £20m to £150m in the last 10 years

    We have fallen behind both Chelsea and Liverpool commercially in recent seasons.

    We have less global sponsors now than we did 5 years ago

    Our new Shirt deal is noticeably worse than Chelsea, UTD and almost certainly Liverpool when they re-sign shortly

    Our proposed kit deal is estimated to be far worse than Man Utd and even CHelsea, a team we supposedly have far more fans than.

  57. gambon

    As for the Deloitte rating, that is working with old numbers from when we were in the Champs league.

    Since then our Gate money, commercial money and prize money have all fallen, leaving us in 8th place at best.

    The problem being 4 of the teams above us are PL teams,

  58. Marko

    I’m very much of the opinion our defensive issues are more tactically dependent than personnel. Wenger ignored off the ball work, we have no shape, and there’s no discipline in the team at all.

    I know that was the argument but tactics smactics Mustafi is still shit and Koscielny has grandma ankles.

    That argument also took place with the relative budget in mind. You’re always talking about making 8 signings and swapping players out

    Ah that’s not fair last summer I only wanted one particularly significant purchase in that area. A year later we’re worse off and a year older and we need a whole back 5. Anyway sure it’s grand

  59. gambon

    Charlie

    I already told you, old data.

    That is based on our revenue from last season…..when we were in the CL.

    This season we have taken a £40m hit, becuase our gate receipts have fallen, our sposorship money has fallen and out TV/Prize money has fallen, all due to Wengers mismanagement.

    At the same time, Chelsea and Liverpool have added significant revenues, and overtaken us, so AT BEST, we are 8th, if not probably 9th now, with 4 domestic rivals above us.

    Saying “we are 6th financially” is akin to saying Chelsea are the best team in the PL, or Harry Kane is the PLs top scorer.

    If you dont understand this, just say.

  60. Ishola70

    Headlines from Italian newspapers:

    Juan Jesus un disastro.

    Juan Jesus disastro di Anfield .

    Mamma mia Juan Jesus… lool

    Juan Jesus inguardabile – unwatchable

    James Doig – Liverpool fan on twitter = Let’s all hope Roma starts Juan Jesus in next week’s game. Diabolical player

  61. Wallace

    it was a fascinating game. Roma are huge, and really shut Liverpool down when they were short passing early on, but once Liverpool started hitting longer balls they couldn’t cope. would imagine something similar to the City away game for the 2nd leg. Roma throwing everything at it and one of Salah, Firmino or Mane nicking a few on the counter.

  62. gambon

    Forsberg would be a dreadful signing.

    We already have a number 10 in Mesut Ozil, a number 10 in Mykhitaryan, a wannabe number 10 in Aaron Ramsey, and a young number 10 in Reiss Nelson.

    Death by number 10s, which has been Wengers playbook for years.

    We need a world class wide attacker, not another central drifting, ball to feet player.

  63. Ishola70

    Been said to death what Arsenal need and it’s not a Forsberg.

    Gazidis was on about younger players.

    Well there is the centre back Diop from Toulouse and the DM from Lyon Tousart who play with a maturity and concentration beyond their years.

  64. Wallace

    I read a while back that the money we make from the EL won’t be far off what we made last year in the CL on account of Everton not making the knockout stage. meaning the pool of money for English clubs all goes to us.

  65. Champagne charlie

    Gambon

    No what I’m not understanding is your rendition of “no sponsors want to be associated with us” when we’ve negotiated 3 new deals since January and two of the biggest lot manufacturers want us after Puma.

    Show me the numbers that confirm what you’re saying, because until then it’s your ramblings masquerading as fact. Our earning potential isn’t under threat at all, and the rhetoric you’re producing on it is either totally ignorant, or just another slight.

    CityAM/Deloitte:
    “Arsenal have overtaken Paris Saint-Germain as the sixth richest club in the world, according to the latest edition of Deloitte’s Football Money League.

    The Gunners’ revenue for last season of £419.0m (€487.6m) made them the third highest-placed English team in the annual list, published today, behind only Manchester United and Manchester City.

    The north Londoners saw income grow by 20 per cent, with a 10 per cent rise in commercial income, despite finishing outside the top four of the Premier League for the first time this century and losing in the last 16 of the Champions League.“

  66. Dissenter

    Ishola
    You may not know this but you’d have a tendency to just see the player you think is failing.
    My point is sometimes the best players, on excellent form can make ANYONE look bad. That’s what happened to Jesus today.

    There’s no way Roma come out to cancel a 3-0 deficit and stop Liverpool from scoring away goals.

  67. gambon

    Charlie

    Are you really this thick, or just bored.

    THAT WAS LAST SEASON….NOT THIS SEASON.

    I really cant explain it in any more basic way.

  68. Dissenter

    Champagne
    The figures you’re using do not reflect the lack of CL qualification for this season.
    We’ve had top reduce put ticket fees heavenly we to adjust for the Europa league; that’s a drop in revenues in itself.

  69. Champagne charlie

    It’s 2027, Guardiola has retired as a manager with 78 trophies to his name, Arsenal have bad 3 managers in a decade…….and j.oe is still posting articles about Wenger because he’s nothing else to say.

  70. Ishola70

    Dissenter
    “You may not know this but you’d have a tendency to just see the player you think is failing.
    My point is sometimes the best players, on excellent form can make ANYONE look bad. That’s what happened to Jesus today.”

    No not true Dissenter. I was praising Salah through the match on here.

    But not one-eyed in looking at the overall picture.

    Jesus was poor as well.

    And plenty seem to be in agreement judging by reactions not just from Italians but Liverpol fans as well.

    Now you would think Liverpool fans would be just like you and say it was just because Salah is super duper. But there is recognition that Jesus played poorly as well.

  71. Dissenter

    Ishola
    Lets agree to disagree then.
    Don’t you think Xhaka is coming ton terms with the English game/ 🙂

  72. Champagne charlie

    Gambon

    Good grief, you were here slating the commercial side and saying we have been ruined. I’ve provided evidence of where we were as of the most recent study.

    I’m well aware this season isn’t accounted for, it’s the ridiculousness of you to sit here and suggest one season is going to put us behind the fucking 8 ball when we’ve literally nestled a cash reserve pile for this very outcome.

    We earn a ton, and our sponsorships are right up there, or being negotiated up there upon renewal/replacement. Your narrative is bogus

  73. Dissenter

    ****We’ve had to reduce our ticket fees to adjust for the Europa league; that’s a drop in revenues in itself.****

  74. Marko

    I like Forsberg would take him in a heartbeat over Mhiki and Ramsey and yeah probably over the wet sponge Ozil

  75. Ishola70

    Dissenter
    “Lets agree to disagree then.
    Don’t you think Xhaka is coming ton terms with the English game”

    Yes Dissenter I’m very excited at the thought of our Xhaka being the hub of our central midfield for many years to come.

  76. Champagne charlie

    Marko

    How much is he mooted to go for? I saw he critically said thanks to everyone the other day on social, viewed as a goodbye.

    I’m under the impression he’s another lad that struggles with being robust. Don’t need another half season specialist like Rambo, and not the “type” we’re crying out for imo. Unless he can play centre half?

  77. Take me back to highbury

    CharlieYou’ve been going on for the last hour about how Wenger hasn’t ruined arsenal

  78. WengerEagle

    That front 3 of Liverpool’s is scary. As good as anything right now in Europe.

    Mane imo is the most dynamic of the 3, on his day can shoot off both feet, rinse anyone 1 vs 1 and has pace to absolutely kill, more so than even Salah.

    Firmino is the glue that holds the attack together, crucial piece that facilitates the fluidity with his runs and his harrying of defenders is a vital aspect of his game that is often overlooked. Does it all extremely well even if he’s not as blockbuster as Mane, better finisher for me and much cooler in front of goal.

    Salah is the man though, the x-factor which makes them an all-time great forward 3 as opposed to just another very talented one. He’s class personified, as good as finisher as I’ve seen in the modern game and extremely well-rounded from his time in Italy where he was more of a creative player/dribbler than a goalscorer. Well worth a Ballon D’or shout, he’s playing as well as anyone else is.

  79. Champagne charlie

    J.oe

    You have a different name, but you spout the same shit. Just swerve me and go help an old lady cross the street or grease a pole.

  80. Take me back to highbury

    Charlie

    Is that meant to be funny?

    Your humor is about as good as wengers managerial skills

    Go back to having your ass handed to you by gambon

  81. WengerEagle

    Charlie

    Re to what you were saying earlier about ZZ, so what if the club that sacked Del Bosque, Mourinho, Rafa, Ancelotti and every other manager before him decide to give him the boot?

    You’re an advocate of Rafa and ZZ took over his mess and turned them into a UCL winning side, and went on to win another UCL and the league the following season.

    There is a good chance that they will win it once again this season.

    To me he’s gotten his tactics right and been unconventional at times, away at PSG was one of the most impressive UCL performances I’ve seen of a team on the road, he had a midfield of Kovacic-Asensio-Lucas Vasquez bully Verratti, Rabiot and company.

  82. Champagne charlie

    J.oe

    No it was meant to let you know I find your input myopic and irrelevant (as always), hence I suggested you go do some other irrelevant activity instead of engage on here with me.

    Not at all surprised that went over your head though. Always been a thick cunt 🙂