Things feel like they’re moving at a rapid pace in the hire for the new manager of Arsenal FC, but I’d caution you to all slow down a touch.
The leaks to the press are interesting, but I think we need to be careful about what we believe.
Things we’re pretty damn certain about:
1. Arsenal were not talking to any manager about Arsene’s job before last Thursday. That was a respect thing, the club like to claim they have class, and we’ve no reason to believe otherwise.
2. Arsenal want to get this next hire right. Ivan has been waiting for 10 years to make a proper impact on the playing side. This is his chance, his moment to shine like Pascal Cygan’s forehead on a summers day. Do not believe they fired Wenger so they could make a decision in 4 days. They have time, they’ll use it.
The club will go through a proper search and select process. Firstly, they’ll likely have spent a year building a brief of the type of manager they want to hire, Ivan already stated he wants someone who can work with young players, it’s clear they want someone who understands how to implement a pressing game, and he’ll want to lean into the playing values Wenger brought to the club. They’ll be thinking about what they’re looking to achieve, and the ways they can achieve it, as well as the different ways they can achieve those goals.
From there, they’ll compile a group of names and they’ll press contacts throughout Europe to build reports (Sven and Raul will show their worth here, just like Henrique has been doing at PSG). They’ll want to know about their characters, their ability to deal with pressure, style of management, how they work with those above them, and what players think of them. According to Ballague’s book, it was after this phase Arsene Wenger was pushed out of the reckoning for the Barca job in 2008.
From there, they’ll whittle down to a list of names they can speak to, maybe they’ll reach out to agents to gauge interest, then they’ll set up interviews.
You’d imagine for a job the size of Arsenal, they’ll be expected to present their vision of the club (Ryan Giggs classically failed here for Swansea). Arsenal will want to interrogate their ideas for Arsenal, find out more details about their footballing ideals/values, understand their management style, and get to grips with how they work with the specialists where they are. Jose Mourinho failed to get the Barca job back in the day because when he was asked if he’d relinquish his combative approach in the media, he refused, stating it’s part of his game.
I’d imagine after working with Wenger, the club will want someone amenable to a more democratic structure, a man open to new ideas, comfortable with empowering those around them with responsibility and decision making power, and the absolute key… being able to communicate ideas with intensity and passion.
Whenever you read about Pep, it’s always his intensity. Players love his training sessions (read), no one has more energy than him, no one has better ideas, and his commitment and his vision are utterly infectious (watch). Intensity is something we lack on and off the pitch, and it’s something the board will want to see back at the club.
So basically, what I’m saying is this… sure, Enrique and Arteta are going to be in the mix for the new role at the club, but don’t be daft enough to think they’re near a decision yet.
I’m not so keen on Enrique. I don’t know a lot about him, but I kind of feel he’s a poor man’s Pep G. This from Sid Lowe at ESPN very eloquently gives an insight into the manager that I’m not sure we’d enjoy.
Barcelona’s problems are a reality. The team that once invited opponents onto them now looks frightened when they are pressed, unable to find a way out; those passageways they once opened remain closed, the mechanisms malfunctioning. Or maybe there aren’t any? Maybe that element of their game, once so central and important, has been relegated to a minor issue? The evidence on the pitch suggests so, and so did the comments on the touchline.
Luis Enrique is a former Barcelona player, a Barcelona B-team manager, a man who embraced the city and the club and loved to wind up Madrid, who said he was coming “home” when he took over, likening the Camp Nou to Disneyland. But some critics suspected that he was not really Barcelona, and now they’re even more convinced. When Luis Enrique said he was “faithful” to the style but wanted to “evolve it, perfect it, improve it,” they suspected he actually meant destroy it. Now they’re even more convinced of that. Not least because they were convinced of it then, even as he won trophies and fans chanted his name
I’m kind of hoping the name will go away, but the key here is that Enrique knows someone at the club.
There’s a clear pattern from yesterdays media leaks. All the people that are supposedly still in the mix are linked to someone at the club. I don’t think that’s necessarily a key decision point, but as you know in business, it really fucking helps if someone can vouch for you. I have my doubts it’s any different in football.
I’d imagine a big part of Ivan’s decision making has to be with the fans. He’ll never admit it, but he needs us onboard. Letting Sky know Arteta was his favoured candidate might not be as irresponsible as you think. I’m sure he’s gauging fan reaction to see how much stomach we have for risk. Managerial trial balloons, I’m not sure he’d have liked the reaction, which seems cold if I’m honest.
I’ve been telling you since last May the club wanted the return of Arteta, and that the Spaniard turned down Spurs because he wanted to return to us at some point. I wrote in November why he’d be an interesting hire.
To summarise:
1. Signing Arteta works from a culture perspective, he gets the club, he’s well-liked, and he knows everyone
2. Ivan would own his pristine hair and his backside. Being a kingmaker allows you to control the manager and the direction of the club. Something he’s lacked under Wenger.
3. You’re hiring from the best-tutored coach in the world game. The greatest innovators are usually exposed to genius somewhere along the line (Steve Jobs @ Xerox). They often take others ideas, and reimagine them for themselves. If Arteta is as smart as they say he is, he could be a force to be reckoned with if he can adapt to the gravity of the job.
4. There’s a cost benefit. A young manager charges less, comes with fewer people, and if it goes wrong you don’t have to spend much to rectify the issue.
I’m not sure we’ll have the balls to go with an Arteta like signing, but look, I’d not be against the move. I think it’s strategically sound, and I’d certainly be excited about watching a young manager bring Pep levels of intensity to the Colney dossers club.
Definitely worth a few of your pennies if you’re a gambler, but I do think it might be sharper for the club to look at Nagelsmann if we’re going for untested. He’s already proved he can build something from nothing, he’s taken Hoffenheim to the Champions League (from relegation fodder), he’s shown he can develop players, and he’s on the verge of recreating the same success of last season for the second year running. He’d still be a brave move, but I think the fans would be more comfortable with him as a risk.
There will be more names linked, likely more experienced, and I think the favourites list from the bookies will go back and forth. Expect Conte to be linked, I’d imagine the Allegri rumours will start again, we’ll absolutely explore Jardim, and I’d imagine we’ll see names like Hassenhutl, Jardim, Poch, Carlo and Tedesco in the papers.
Everyone, I say this truthfully, I have not been this excited about Arsenal for 15 years.
The future is bright. It’s technical. It’s unpredictable and joy-filled whatever happens.
We’ve broken the grip of Wenger, now we can enjoy football like any other fan of a rich elite club in London.
What a summer we have ahead.
See you in the comments.
Barca have signed Arthur but he’s not joining until 2019. Doubt they’ll be able to do much until then unless they sell. Spent a heck of a lot of money.
lol Champagne, you don’t even need to talk about him, we know you still in love with him.
Stan has completed phase 1 of getting the fans onside by dropping Wenger. Now if Josh could just have a word with daddy and tap him up for £400m for transfers , then I’ll get excited. I think the club’s shares are selling at £37k valuing the club at £2bn plus and basically triple what he invested.
HighburyLegend give it a break. the only one on this morning that looks like a Wenger obsessive is you. haven’t seen CC comment on him tbh.
Good luck to Arteta if he is given the nod.
The disparity going from City to Arsenal would be painful for him, but I’m sure he’ll put on his game face.
lol Chrispy.
The club is self-sufficient.
Fans seem to want to forget that. Kroenke is not an investor on the playing side and wasn’t appointed as such.
No real surprise to hear the transfer kitty looks very humble for next season. Big wages were put out for Ozil, Aubameyang and Mhiki plus there is still the over-paying of others in the squad.
Arsenal are self-sustainable after all. Something people like to forget.
I can dream though Ishola70.
The leach can bung us a few quid surely
GOH
‘Personally, as long as it’s not ancelloti, Benitez, Rodgers, Dyche, Howe or Wenger. I wouldn’t care.’
Pretty much how I feel about it except Benitez wouldn’t be a bad option. I will add Viera and Henry to that list as well.
Arteta a risky appointment but I am not totally averse to the idea of him becoming our next manager, a risky move though. Jardim and Nagelsman better options if we are looking at young managers.
“The disparity going from City to Arsenal would be painful for him,”
Indeed lol
If he’s the chosen one, this will be no strong message sent to the other clubs, to be honest.
Found this to be a captivating read:
http://www.espn.co.uk/football/club/arsenal/359/blog/post/3469090/arsene-wenger-had-to-leave-arsenal-says-nick-hornby
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZL4IhE9Sy8
Why Wenger had to go.
A big fat NO to all these mediocre names floating about, c’mon man, haven’t we suffered enough? Arteta? He’s just as full of s*#t as Wenger. Not done enough to warrant the big call up yet, Vieira is coaching in a mickey mouse league. I heard some c*nt say Martinez? Lord help me
Martinez IN !! lol
After destablising the club with “Will he stay or Go” all last season — Wenger has the audacity to blame the fans that love the club.
Demonstrating in clear black and white what I’ve said for a long time. Wenger holds us fans in contempt.
And is 50 mill really that little? Our team, as is, under a decent manager, should be playing at least 50% better from early next season. We basically need a new GK and 1st choice right back. We can make do with what we have until end of next season providing we replace Hector and put Cech on the retirement list
arteta would bite our hands off if we offered him 5-8m a year. he knows arsenal pay good money. I don’t want him though. I want graham from arsenal fan TV to take over (I’m only half kidding here)
“Barca have signed Arthur but he’s not joining until 2019. Doubt they’ll be able to do much until then unless they sell. Spent a heck of a lot of money.”
The 222 mill cheque should go a long way to balancing the books….
An important point about candidates such as Arteta or Vieira is that they both have experience of the English Premier League. Personally I feel this will be an imporant factor in any final decision. Many “foreign” managers without EPL experience have come with high hopes and failed miserably. Pep took a year to find his feet, Klopp has not won a trophy, Pocchetino is still waiting, etc. Conte is a rarity in hitting the ground running. I am not saying EPL experience is essential. But it is an important factor and may sway people towards the likes of Arteta or… Read more »
Even with the Aubameyang purchase we made a small profit on transfers in 17/18. 50m seems a very cautious figure…
One would imagine the head of football operations or DOF will win out in the end its what he was hired to do and you’d hope ivan with his limited knowledge doeesn’t get his way. No ARTETA
ES
I agree. I’ve always said that even the least desired manager/coach we could employee will make a noticeable difference in player approach and tactics. But sadly, I don’t even think that will be enough. We might blag in for 10 games then we’d get found out due to the limitation of our players, imho.
But yeah, 2-3 transfer windows will be the absolute minimum for any new manager/coach. We could probably raise £20m-£30m a time across player sales. Getting rid of all the players necessary won’t happen in one window.
Stevyg
There’s probably 5 cents left from that €222m Barcelona got from PSG.
Dembele and Coutinho signing equate to more than that €222m they got for Neymar.
My guess is that they’re now spending their standard transfer budget.
Steveyg I cant see that we can progress without addressing the CB issue. If Kos could stay fit maybe that then leaves Mustafi who i think will be average at best under a new manager, chambers holding who arent ready. Then we have a problem in midfield. I dont think we can trust Xhaka to carry us, wilshere likely gone. I think were better keeping bellerin as i dont see a ready made replacement in-house (how we could do with debuchy now) . Bring in a keeper we need someone who is going to earn us points not lose them… Read more »
I have absolutely zero issue with a self sustainable model. I just hope we optimize how we run it to play to our absolute strengths like Bayern and Juve do. Of course it’s easier if you can crap 200m every transfer window but I think it’s neither necessary nor particularly good to see unless the club earned that money The irony being that I used to get called plastic on here for fucking off until wenger left. Now he’s out and I’ll comfortably embrace a self sustaining model as long as it’s well managed and they don’t take the fans… Read more »
Secondly, unless I missed it, you failed to mention the alleged £50 million budget. It’s worth noting Alexander you yourself a few days ago shared a link with a rumour of Allegri and a 150 million budget. It’s all just rumours at the moment but honestly even though Arsene’s been pissing money away the last couple years and spent 100 million on two strikers when we needed one and has honestly imo made a huge mistake with the massive Ozil contract I very much doubt we only have 50 million to spend this summer. It doesn’t make sense anyway you… Read more »
In terms of where we need to buy in the summer – keeper is a must, CB is a must, dm is a must, wing is needed
On our budget and with our current status I’d be surprised if we can really do what’s necessary this summer. But let’s offload some deadwood, sign a serious dm and keeper, manage the rest strategically and promote from youth to make up numbers
the next appointment has to excite the players as much as the fans , surely? Put yourself in an arsenal players position for a second , would this appointment get you going ? Is he someone players will stay on for ? I can’t decide either way how I feel about this – it’s great he’s learning under pep , could he implement what he’s learning with city , at Arsenal , can he be as inspirational as pep is – so many questions ! This club really needs a kick up the arse , I’m not sure Arteta is… Read more »
We should begin right now to show the NO TO ARTETA banners.
(I’m only half kidding, me too)
He wanted to work with his “football genius God”…
He can stay at City for ever.
Im kinda with you on Arteta. *might* work out but the guy was a pretty passive captain compared with some of our former captains
At a time when we have an entire squad of quiet softies I suspect they may need someone who is gonna have fire in his belly to shape them up.
“This club really needs a kick up the arse , I’m not sure Arteta is the man to do that ”
Amen to that.
Buckhurst I was.going to mention Arteta as captain. Being a silent inspiration isnt going to work in management. I dont think there was any noticeable change in anything when he was captain amd im sure during his time there.would have been opportunity to bollock or encourage organise players on the pitch and i dont remember seeing it and for that reason im out. If its not already in his character its going to be difficult to fake it. Plus wasnt there a report jot long back saying the players didnt like him. Not that that really matters as the more… Read more »
“Being a silent inspiration isnt going to work in management.”
Correct. Plus we’ve just finished to “endure” 10 years of silent inspiration.
KC spit on comment. Aim low . No accountability and play it safe. Need to break out that mind set
Spot
I would desperately like our next guy to be charismatic (as well as good).
Afternoon all. Taken me a few days to take all this on board, still grinning. Reality is Ivan has gotten club into very good position for this transition with whose been hired this year. I’d imagine the war room consists of Ivan, Raul, Sven and Josh K with a shortlist emerging that surely has Arteta, Jardim, PV4, Tuchel Allegri and a few others names on it. Its the dream job, i’m sure there’s a laundry list of agents reaching out and letting it be know their clients are interested. Winning the Europa league has become all the more important. Going… Read more »
Gunner2301 Ahh That’s it , I knew there was something else about the players not liking him , remember reading that too …. If Arteta would genuinely love to manage us then we can afford to wait and watch him cut his teeth somewhere else , at this point I think that’s in his best interest and ours – if he came to us and tanked that could be catastrophic for his career going forwards ….. we need to see him implement his ideas – prove yourself at a top flight club , like Nagelsmann , Tedesco etc have ,… Read more »
At the end of the day, I said I would rather have anyone than KJW and I wasn’t joking.
Whether it’s someone I’m personally interested in is secondary for me. Absolutely any change is welcome at the end of the day
Next guy also has to be enticing to prospective new signings. It’s not enough that it’s Arsenal anymore especially with the lack of title challenges and champions league football. We’re 6th and a million miles of a title challenge so we have to appear an attractive proposition with the new manager and sell them on a bright future. Allegri or Simeone would do that Arsenal finishing 6th and hiring Mikael Arteta does not scream potential or ambition.
“I cant see that we can progress without addressing the CB issue. If Kos could stay fit maybe that then leaves Mustafi who i think will be average at best under a new manager, chambers holding who arent ready.” I agree that we might be a bit light in the CB position, Kos, defo on his way out. I’m not buying this about Mustafi being crap though, but, having said that, he probably needs to see a shrink after this season Chambers & Holding could possibly be found out against bigger teams but both have shown great promise up to… Read more »
Afternoon, Rumours are just that at the moment. 50 million budget for next season, not likely. Budgets wont be set till we know if we make the champions league or if its another season of Europa. That’s the press stirring up the pot because there main fun of winding up arsenal fans will be over once wenger is gone. likewise the slow demise of Arsenal Tv probably. If we haven’t tied someone down for next season yet I’m pretty sure whoever is coming in will be negotiating and wanting to know how much they have to spend. unless its a… Read more »
Fuck Arteta – if we are going down that route, bring in a real winner like Viera.
If we go for big club experience then Allegri.
Just got a feeling though its going to be a German….
Hey Eagle, hope you’re well.
Marko
“Arsenal finishing 6th and hiring Mikael Arteta does not scream potential or ambition.”
a 36yr old coach held in very high regard, coming from the present PL champions…that’s pretty much the definition of ‘potential’ isn’t it?
A manager without an interpreter or a phrase book would be a good start
to many managers with limited conversation.
Any improvement over Conte would be good.
Agree we need to address our cbs , but I’m ready to wait and see what the new coach will do for chambers and holding , I feel there’s a lot more potential for those two , we all know wenger didn’t do defence , so maybe the new guy can take them and give them the much needed defensive coaching they clearly so desperately need – we could all see how great they were for the first few months of their arsenal careers , they have talent , Holding especially , but as with a lot of other players… Read more »
Personally I feel the decision has already been made. It would highly unusual for the club to show door to Wenger without having a replacement lined up. Or to start the replacement task after Wenger has left the building.
My guess is that respect for Wenger is keeping the announcement until after the final whistle of the season. Whether it leaks out or not before then is a matter of speculation. Hard to keep such news under wraps and I suspect the name will emerge in two or three weeks.
China What i want on a manager – Is his own man (may rule out Arteta he would Struggle witjh this whereas Viera wouldnt for example) – Tacically adept (you wont be successful without it we need in-game management also) react to whats going on in the game. – Pepares well (Wenger was arrogant and piss poor here) – Good man manager (were gonna need this to get the best out of the players we have and dross we cant sell) not going to baby them will have his arm round their shoulder if needed but can be a bastard/ruthless… Read more »
Gordon Strachan thinks Brendan Rogers would be a ‘great fit ‘ for the Arsenal job – lord give me strength , what’s with all these ex players and failed managers touting Rogers ?? They must be trolling us ….
In other news – Arsenal under 18’s did well against spurs didn’t they , Jesus …..
Would take PV4 every day of the week if were going down the untried route at least he’s had a couple of seasons in the states actually managing as the number 1 for me Allegri you would think is heading to Chelsea and Tuchel to PSG if the rumours going round are true? The brief is the other issue for attracting in the right manager. Is our aim steady the ship & top 4 next season? Is it win the league? what the aim is and how much to spend can make the manager selection a completely different one from… Read more »
“a 36yr old coach held in very high regard, coming from the present PL champions…”
Of course Wallace, without Arteta City wouldn’t have been champs…
“Fuck Arteta – if we are going down that route, bring in a real winner like Viera.”
Amen to that.
If the budget is truly 50M, we should go with Allegri.
Without spending any money, he’ll be able to make our defence way better than it is.
Sell Lacazette and Ramsey and our spending money goes from 50M to 120M. Use that money to get a new top notch midfielder and a winger and our team looks way better instantly.
Up4grabs
I think stabilise, re-build, consolidate our position then challenge. After Wengers car crash we need 5 years to become a force again and shake off the laughing stock we have become. Its sad but true.
Gunner2301
A couple of good points raised, I think the biggest misconception of majority Arsenal fans and Pedro addressed this yesterday is that we want someone who will just spend left, right and centre
But gunner, wenger isn’t charismatic and hasn’t been for York’s so I don’t see your point
Half time talks consisting of sitting in silence isn’t exactly what I’d call someone who you’d want to follow
Viera for me in the inexperienced route. At least therell be a instant connection. He knows whst it is to be Arsenal Artets doesnt have those values. I cant imagine him building a team full of pussies and current players would be put on notice. Fans would be more inclined to be patient and if he did mess up the structures should be in place to mitigate that risk. If hed had a stint at a lower PL club id say definitely but id still be happy if he was appointed.
gunner 2301,
I seriously doubt we will be challenging for the league any time soon unless we blow 3-400 million at it which we probably cant even do with regulations that are in place.
For me next year its try and get 4th which will be difficult and not guaranteed even with a new man.
unless two out of Chelsea the spuds or the bindippers have a major collapse.
six into four doesn’t go.
it wont be easy.
Marko ‘It’s worth noting Alexander you yourself a few days ago shared a link with a rumour of Allegri and a 150 million budget’ I was being ironic. I really don’t think we’re getting Allegri or spending £150 million this summer. ‘Arsene’s been pissing money away the last couple years and spent 100 million on two strikers when we needed one and has honestly imo made a huge mistake with the massive Ozil contract’. I don’t disagree, but wasn’t the Auba signing Misinlat’s? Also, we may have spent a lot, but we’ve recouped a lot through player sales- Gibbs, the… Read more »
we need someone who will spend wisely yes, and 50 mil will not do it as we must have a cb,dm and a goal keeper those three are a must have as the bare min
China I would say Wenger is charismatic. How do you think he can brainwash fans with the 4th place trpphy bullshit dumb down expextations each year and build out and manipulate the AKBs into getting behind him by playing the victim (ageism was the last one)? Hes a master at playing to the audience. If he hadnt have been as charasmatic as he was the press would have crucified him years ago he got off lightly considering the shit show hes been putting on for years when all those around are getting sacked even if they win the league. And… Read more »
axed
Allegri is a top coach.
He won’t join a club that finished 6th and currently has a hugely deficient squad, with only £50 million to spend.
He might join Arsenal if the club gave him more money though.
with quite a big rebuild just to get top four let alone a major influx needed for title push the new man wont have long to get to grips with things.
May 13 – Wenger’s last Premier League game/potential last game
May 16 – Potential Europa League final
June 9 – Transfer window opens
June 14 – World Cup starts/Premier League fixtures announced
July 15 – World Cup ends
July 26 – First ICC fixture v Atletico Madrid in Singapore
August 9 – transfer window shuts?
August 11 – Premier League starts
“He knows whst it is to be Arsenal Artets doesnt have those values.”
This isn’t true at all. Arteta played at Arsenal for 6 years. Obviously he’s not Vieira but to say he doesn’t have an affinity/doesn’t care about the club is just a lie.
For what it’s worth though, I agree with the poster who said that he thinks the club have already made a decision on the next manager.
“the club have already made a decision on the next manager.”
If it’s the case, the probability of Gazidis “play it safe” would be huge.
So it would be Arteta.
F*ck…
Maybe 50mill is a ploy. Gazidis tells the new guy thats what there is when we really have 150 new guy negotiates for 100 and thinks hes done well when he gets it and both sides feel they won.
Sky bet latest odds: 2/1 Enrique, 9/2 Arteta
Might have a flutter on Arteta
Re: the next coach, I understand the benefits of selecting one of the household names of the football management industry but I’m surprised to see Arteta–or any prospective names for that matter– so easily dismissed. Citing inexperience or making comments based on our limited view of how he handled captaincy is simplistic. As for giving brownie points for a hardman type character, come on, we are in the 21st century. Does the collar-grabbing, shouting method of management work in any of your line of profession? For me, management is all about one thing- Respect. Neither a hard character nor experience… Read more »
AlexanderHenry Lacazette ——45M Ramsey ——–30M Welbeck—— 15M (lol) Wilshere ——0M That gives us 90M, enough for a top midfielder (60M) and Keeper(30M). Then there’s freebies like Ozyakup, Can, Meyer that we can try for. We haven’t even touched the rumoured 50M. There’s Xhaka and Mustafi that can also be sold. While the 50M isn’t much by itself, with player sales and super duper freebie shopping, we can do a whole lot. Also worth nothing because of the financial limitations we need to change our football. We can’t play Pep(ish) for now so we need to revert to a defend and… Read more »
With three people all having input into whose coming, with apparently three separate ideas on who that should be.
I cant see it being a done deal already, then there suggestion goes before Stan & josh who will have the final say and might veto it?
id be shocked if its already a done deal.
It doesn’t always have to be a name though. Look at some of the list of previous managers at Barca like Martino and Valverde who came with very little pedigree and had won little. They managed to win the players over, which is telling considering the egos there. Not always essential to be a name.
Underrated Coq – good post. Not that i’m saying it has to be Arteta, but yes, an innovative manager with ideas and a plan.
underrated,
good points, although PV4 commands respect and you wouldn’t mess with him as well if he shouted at you.
one point though. “There was no shortage of big names in those locker rooms.”
locker rooms! its not American football old boy its football,
changing rooms only please. lol
I’m not to sure about moving on Lacazette,
whose to say the new man coming in wont want to play two up top?
Or he might want the LAW as our front three.
(laca, Auba and welbz) I’m copyrighting that!
whoever comes in will have to asses the squad and might improve the young players and duds ( I’m looking at you granit)
it might not be the big clear out especially as so many went in January?
“managers at Barca like Martino and Valverde who came with very little pedigree and had won little. ”
Let’s be serious, take a look at the Barcelona squad, nothing to do at all with Arsenal lol
You put Arteta in charge at Barcelona, his chances of success would be huge even with little experience.
azed
Yes, but we’re valued as the 6th richest footbal club in the world.
The problem is that we work self sustainably. That doesn’t work in modern club football if you want to win major trophies, unless you’re lucky enough to recruit an up and coming genius of a young manager or perhaps you have a golden generation of brilliant youth players like man utd did.
As I said before, it’s a hard road to take.
I cant see that selling Lacazette would be a good idea.
We need 2 top strikers, and they can play together as well.
Selling Welbeck, and signing a top left sided attacker, would make much more sense.
Sign Martial for £60m, sell Welbeck for £25m.
Our attack would be ready to challenge for the PL. We would just need a much improved central midfield and defence.
Romford Im talking about the mentality of the players the hangover from GG that set the tone for the players that came after and the accountavbility that was there. After Viera left that ruthlessness and fear factor we used to have hasnt been there (United are jn the same position so not unique to us). Wenger couldnt get it back and Arteta was a different era of nice men so by then there was no trace left. Even though the players arent the same as they were back then i can see a.lot in peps city team but that needs… Read more »
Romford sorry, I’m a bit tired (still at work)…
I’ve read “TITLES” instead of “LITTLE” lol
“Sign Martial for £60m, sell Welbeck for £25m.”
Gambon
I’m not sure anyone would be foolish to sign Welbeck for 25M.
Arteta will fit nice and neat into Gazidis shirt pocket. No thank you! I dont care what people say about him… what he is, is a yes man, someone pleasant who others feel “safe ” around. No thanks. That is not what a real leader is. Pleasant will only last so long. Wenger was pleasant by all accounts. If we want to change our culture we cannot go with low risk to expect high reward. KC said it right, we have been conditioned to have low expectations. I want a coach whose targets include winning all cups every year. 4th… Read more »
Dont know how true this is but ive heard it a few times in different publications
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/arsenal-players-dont-want-arrogant-12133636
Gambon,
keeping Laca makes so much sense.
martial would be a quality signing and wanted to talk to us in January apparently.
cant see Maureen selling him to us though even with Wenger gone.
PS:
If y’all know anyone wanting to sell a season ticket. I should be visiting the Arsenal next season.
read that Auba & Laca have spent about 120mins on the pitch together and in that time Auba has 2 goals & 2 assists, and Laca has 4 goals. wouldn’t be in too much of a hurry to sell the Frenchman…
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In a world where a 32 year old Llorent was £14m, Kevin Wimmer was £18m, Iheanacho was £25m, Arnautovic was £20m, Danny Drinkwater was £34m, Chris wood was £15m, Andre Gray was £18m I think we are well within our rights to ask for £25m.
Even though he might be politicking right now, PV4 is my choice… a respectable figure, a legend, but most importantly, an experienced winner with some coaching experience already. He is not one to mess with. Just ask Ashley Cole about what happened with the long…. The club needs a jolt and kick in the ass. Fans need to be energized as well as the players. If not PV4, we need to be going in hard for the biggest names. none of this playing patty cake niceties. If we want to win it all, bring in someone who is driven, and… Read more »
Coq I don’t think people want a collar grabbing coach but come on , this team needs some fire breathed into it , I don’t think us looking at Arteta as a captain is a simplistic approach when determining his character as a manager – you say it’s about respect – our next guy in charge needs to command automatic respect as soon as the players hear that we’ve signed him – that’s not Arteta – respect has to be earned by proving you have what it takes , there are others that have proved themselves – for me this… Read more »
I’m not even saying Arteta is perfect for the jopb lol – more that i’m trying to understand the reasoning as to why he’s linked and highly-rated. How can people say Arteta is a yes-man when they’ve never seen him manage? Wasn’t all the talk before that Gazidis was a yes man and look how that’s panned out. UC’s post at 15.10 is the most relevant IMO. The game has moved on. All the best guys are young managers right now with new plans and ideas.
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You’re right about all the best guys – but there are better young managers with proven ideas – we absolutely cannot be the tester for Arteta – a young dynamic manager by all means , I’m well up for that but just bring me some proof of your methods – poch proved himself Nagelsmann , Tedesco , even Rogers proved himself before the pool job
Remember lads, there’s a reason why Arteta never played for Spain…………
Buckurst – for sure. I’m not even saying it’s Arteta we have to pick but a young, dynamic coach with good ideas is what we should be going for IMO. We’re never going to be able to outspend the oil clubs and United so we have to be innovative in the other ways we try to bridge that gap.
Arteta was the only guy ever able to keep Ramsey anywhere near the central midfield on a consistent basis.
Just occurred to me that Maybe Wilshere should’ve bitten Wenger’s hand off when he had the chance.
Chances of being retained by the new coach is more uncertain now that ever.
I mean, I suppose Wilshere has nothing to lose by waiting till the appointment has been made. If it’s apparent that he’s not required then he head up the M6 to Everton or book a Ryanair flight to Italy..
a 36yr old coach held in very high regard, coming from the present PL champions…that’s pretty much the definition of ‘potential’ isn’t it?
Held in high regard? He’s got no experience with managing a football club. He’s only got two years experience of being a coach with Pep he’s not even number two he’s just another coach. I don’t know where you see the ambition in hiring someone like Arteta.
any way we can get Ferguson put of retirement ??
“Remember lads, there’s a reason why Arteta never played for Spain…………”
Because there was Xavi/Xabi Alonso/Busquets/Iniesta etc… It’s the most talented Spanish generation of all time so criticising Arteta for not playing is a bit silly, when Cesc, who was twice as good, also struggled to start.
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Like I don’t even get the agenda behind people making a case for Arteta I really don’t. Other than perhaps not being able to let go of a certain AKB moniker
I don’t think we’d struggle to get £20m+ for Welbeck.
If we started off with this alleged £50m, then right there is £70m but flogging Welbeck. Raising funds shouldn’t be a problem.
We need to adopt the same ruthlessness City had last summer.
A speedy winger, CDM, 2 center backs, and a goalie.
If we sell enough deadwood, and with the 50, might be able to pull 2-3 really good players… Our midfield really needs a good look at too. El, Wilshere, Rambo doesnt really stoke fear in anyone.