Wenger lets rip at ‘hurtful’ fans

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Well, the match day wasn’t quite the emotional response we expected from the players or the fans. Empty seats, a muted celebration of Wenger that only came when we were winning and a pretty bog standard 2017-18 game from the boys on the pitch.

The real interest was focused on the post-match comments. Wenger played the pity card, guilted a fan base he felt betrayed by and made it 100% clear the ‘resignation’ was not his idea.

Here’s the thing, there’s no point in getting riled by it. The man is broken by his firing, he’s still in shock, and I don’t think he’s ever been told he’s underperforming. No one likes to be told they’re dispensable and no one likes to lose their job, even if there’s a sweet £9m payout.

“I feel this club has a fantastic image and, for me, that is absolutely vital. We can speak and speak and speak but sport is about winning and losing and you [the supporters] have to accept you will lose games, even when I will not be here any more. But it is about something bigger than just winning or losing and that was always a worry: how the club is perceived worldwide, for kids playing in Africa, China and America and the dreams it can create for young children who want to play football.”

Bleating on about soft-targets that elevate the job of Arsenal manager close to religious leadership is great for the soundbite, but the reality is, football is about winning trophies. Sadly, the kids in Africa are more inclined to pay attention to the colour of the jersey lifting a Champions League trophy than they are to the intangible values Wenger trumps up every time things don’t go his way.

As I’ve said many times this year, there are no fallbacks this season. He failed on all fronts. He stopped making money, he showed his Midas touch with talent – young and old – had gone, and he had fans staying away from their prepaid tickets. Not just that, look at the state of our team. No direction, character, structure or joy. He’s left the squad a wreck, which is why we’ll be so incredibly appealing to every coach on the planet this summer. The only way is up.

The West Ham game didn’t offer up much we don’t already know. The player’s hearts are only in one competition this season, so anaemic performances in the Premier League outside United will be par the course.

Monreal, our superstar striker put us 1 up when he smashed home a left-footed volley from a Xhaka corner. A really tidy finish for a left back. Arnautovic drew West Ham back in 13 minutes later, a car crash of a goal that started from a classic Ospina punched clearance. He really is a shoddy keeper. Not that our defence or midfield showered themselves in glory in the ensuing melee of Sunday league defending.

Ramsey popped up with our second, scoring his oddest goal of the season when he tried to find Aubameyang with a flaccid cross that slipped through the West Ham defence past the hapless Joe Hart. God help us if he’s England’s #1 this summer.

Danny W started the move for our third, making a quick one-two with Xhaka, he found Auba who played in Lacazette at a tight angle, the Frenchman belted a deflected shot that beat Hart at his near post. More poor keeping if we’re honest.

The West Ham collapse was completed when Auba played Ramsey into the box, some silky quick feet from the Welshman and an incisive pass to Lacazette allowed for an easy 4th, taking his goal tally higher than Morata’s, 3 behind Lukaku and 2 behind Firmino. Not a bad return for a player who missed 2 months out injured.

A lot of the post-match whining from the press focused on the lack of singing from the fans. Please. This really has to stop, the never-ending gratitude some folk in the media think we should show Wenger is incredibly indulgent. The response was muted because he overstayed his welcome, he used his past glories to steal undeserved contracts and he sucked the joy out going to Arsenal for at least 6 seasons.

I love the notion that this is because of the ‘modern fan’. Average age of a Premier League season ticket holder was 43 last time I checked, old enough to have sat through the George Graham years. It’s such a bourgeois notion to think that Arsenal fans should just suck up the depressing 14-year decline because Wenger can titillate the Crouch End press core with occasional pithy anecdotes about philosophy or Brexit.

What is the expected behaviour? Start a 40-day celebration of Arsène? Sacrifice a few chickens in the ground? It’s very unique that Arsenal fans, who had the longest serving manager by 19 years, are critiqued as being bad fans so often.

Our loyalty to the manager was borderline sycophantic up until 2 seasons ago. We let him go 9 years without a trophy, 14 years without a league win (or even getting to March competing), 7 seasons not making it past the last 16 of the Champions League, as well as never winning a European trophy. Not to mention ‘Arsene knows’ became a religious turn of phrase amongst Arsenal fan to explain any and all of his actions.

Wenger’s comments on our fans had a few people finger wagging at AFTV.

‘Personally, I believe this club is respected all over the world, much more than in England … our fans did not give the image of unity that I want in the club all over the world, and that was hurtful. I feel the club is respected. Overall the image we gave of our club is not what it is and not what I like.’

I think people are giving Wenger a bit too much credit for his web browsing habits here. Bellerin gave you all the insight you needed about what the players/coaches think of AFTV. It’s football panto played by a group of fun characters. It’s not serious like the issues we’ve had in the ground with the banners, the planes, the empty seats, the booing, the shoddy atmosphere. That’s the message of unity he’d like us to have improved on.

The ultimate sin that killed Wenger wasn’t rage, it wasn’t over passionate displays of pantomime childishness, it was antipathy. When the fans stopped caring, that’s when the club had to act.

The comment also highlights that Wenger doesn’t really understand why this firing happened. He can’t see what he did wrong, he hates that his stellar reputation and past deeds can’t control fan feelings, he’s devastated he could no longer reimagine failure in a pithy sentence the fans would buy, he’s absolutely baffled that setting the bar isn’t enough, unless you can maintain it.

Ultimately, Arsenal fans have had 6 years to get used to the idea Wenger shouldn’t be manager. He’s been a bit of a squatter lately and a progress blocker, so good riddance is obviously going to be the vibe, and that’s why you’re not seeing disingenuous shows of gratitude right away. Still more comments like the one below will get the fans back on side.

“I’m happy when the fans are happy and I’m even ready to suffer to make them happy. If sometimes they make me happy as well [by singing his name], I will take it. Every single decision I made during my 22 years was for the good of Arsenal and every single decision was with the priority of doing well for the club. I tried to influence the club on structure, development of players and style of play. To combine the three is not always easy and I believe I leave a club that is in a very good position.

“My target was always to do that and give continuity to the guy who comes in after me so we can be better in the next 20 years. That’s my wish.”

I like the way he talks about sacrifice like he’s the Jesus of Arsenal. Hopefully, a godly performance against Atleti will see out his career!

Right, that’s me done, see you in the comments x

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Pierre

J. oey
What’s all this “take me back to Highbury” shit.

You’ve never even been there to watch a game in your life.

Dissenter

Is Sanllehi’s main choice is Luis Enrique, then what’s the point of having him in that position? He needs to take his head out of his arse and do a proper job.

Take me back to Highbury

PierreApril 23, 2018 19:38:17
J. oey
What’s all this “take me back to Highbury” shit. You’ve never even been there to watch a game in your life

Hahahaha hahahaha

The sign of a man() who has
Just been spanked in debate and now has resorted to comments like this

Haha.

Bravo Pierre.

Dissenter

Wenger didn’t spend the money because he was never afraid of losing his job…FACT

Pierre

J. Oey your a fraud….

Wenker-wanger

Mourinho once said Wenger doesn’t spend big money because he would then have no excuses for failure. Love him or hate him mourinho got it right about Wenger: the specialist in failure!

Take me back to Highbury

I have not been this excited for one season to end and the new one to begin in about 14 years.

Next season is going to be great.

A cull of fans like Pierre , vic, etc is exactly what arsenal need. If more akbs like that guy on untold sell their season tickets the better.

Wenker-wanger

Anyone know how “untold” are reacting?
Their cult(cnut) hero has been finally sacked…they must be crying in their Pimm’s.

Pierre

Debate?.. No debate from this side just having a bit of fun as I know how easy you are to wind up…

Bob N16

Boring fixation with a untold tonight.

Victorious

Cuntcake,Dicksenter and J. oey has got to be the most thickest posters on here,they are literally incapable of logic or rational thinking,so blinded with hatred for Wenger that you’re better off hitting your head in a brick wall than trying to pass a point across to this lot.

At least we know bullshit Legend,ruth,chavs Cunt are internet trolls and are rightfully ignored.

Take me back to Highbury

Sure sure Pierre

Backpedal. Back pedal. Back pedal.

It’s over Pierre. One of the greatest days on the history of Arsenal was the day Wenger got sacked.

And I’m loving every second of it

James wood

Wenker – Wagner
Some one mentioned a statue.
About a week ago two people
suggested a song
A fucking song you no who you are.
🙂

Frankie Coffeecakes

@Bictorious – hahahahahahahahahaha! You are like a kid whose had his candy stolen by a dog!

Victorious

One of the greatest days on the history of Arsenal was the day Wenger got sacked.”

And you want me to believe this guy is an Arsenal fan? fvck off, you impostor

Champagne charlie

Oh look who’s back on Le Grove, kitten crisis must’ve slowed. Thought I could smell you j.oey

Ian Wright tweeted this today:

“I’ve seen death wished on Arsene, him being called a cunt, fraud & senile yet he has a ‘supposed pop’ at Arsenal fans & the dummies are well & truly spat out. Grow a pair because you’re embarrassing. No wonder we’re laughed at by other club fans these days. Shameful. ‍♂️“

Oh…. awkward

HillWood

Happy St George’s Day

Frankie Coffeecakes

Oh my, its happened here. Some lunatic just deliberately plowed into 10-11 people on a sidewalk with a van in my city, Toronto. You read and hear about this a lot lately but you dont think its going to happen where you live. Sick world we live in.

Wallace

“I’ve seen death wished on Arsene, him being called a cunt, fraud & senile yet he has a ‘supposed pop’ at Arsenal fans & the dummies are well & truly spat out. Grow a pair because you’re embarrassing. No wonder we’re laughed at by other club fans these days. Shameful. ‍♂️“

🙂

Frankie Coffeecakes

Wright should recall the saying of let he who casts stones in a glass house. He’s behaved abysmally.

R.S.P.C.Arsenal

Wallace

I’m glad he’s going
I think he knows he’s overstayed his welcome

The line last week about the empty seat, well the tickets are all sold out explains to me he is missing the point

Hopefully arsenal will still be going in 50years long after I’ve gone

He as well as the fans caused the embrassment

R.S.P.C.Arsenal

I think ars3ne has had enough out of the club not to warrant a statue or a stand after him

Jim luxury lifestyle he lives is reward enough

UTarse

12 year old,
“Cuntcake,Dicksenter and J. oey has got to be the most thickest posters on here,they are literally incapable of logic or rational thinking,so blinded with hatred for Wenger that you’re better off hitting your head in a brick wall than trying to pass a point across to this lot.”

I see your English lesssons are working a treat

Take me back to Highbury

Wenger and Wright completely forgetting the fact that Arsenal is all about the fans.

Without the fans there is no arsenal.

Without wenger. Arsenal will thrive.

Without wright? We have thrived.

Without fans. Arsenal dies.

steve

Vicuntious, Pierre and the rest of the akb cunts just can’t accept that it’s over. Their messiah got sacked and he’s finished. Noticed how their tone has changed the last couple of days. They’re having meltdowns.

gambon

Rumours that Arteta is wanted by Gazidis.

Not sure I would welcome that. Hes learning from the best, but I worry he would try to make us Man City Mk II on half the budget and with less knowledge than Pep.

I would rather someone that plays a game that can counter what Guardiola is doing, someone like Allegri or Conte.

Arteta as assistant manager would be good. Is he Assistant Manager at City, or just a coach?

LINP

I hope Le Grove will also turn the page and start providing information on new manager, which players will be kept and which players should we target.

Peckobill

Been absolutely ecstatic since Friday knowing a change is coming and gazidis goes and bloody put a dampener on it as it’s going to be Arteta isn’t it . Sky got it on their website now it’s actually going to be him . Well job 1 is done getting Wenger out now it’s onto getting gazidis out if he hires Arteta

Akilan

Looks like Ronaldo is injured. May not play against Bayern.

Pretty important even for us. If Real get KOed, it’s curtains for Zizou. Yet another option for us. Wouldn’t mind him at all. Elevates the club, most players would want to join us.

Ishola70

Oh no.

Don’t say they are going to employ Pep’s puppy dog Arteta.

Where’s the ambition here?

Akilan

Gazidis wants the ex player. Raul, wants his ex employee. Sven wants a German. Lol. It sounds pretty simplistic to me. Me says it’s all media hogwash. And sky knows fuck all.

Bamford10

Northern/Aubergine One, what Wenger spent in any given time window is not the same as what he had available to him to spend. These are two different things. Wenger often did not spend what was available to him, and this is why we had the largest cash surpluses (£180m+ at times) in all of world football. So looking at what we did spend proves nothing about what was available to him to spend. Two, that time window also proves nothing. Everyone here acknowledges that we were in a position of relative austerity until 2011 or so. However it was in… Read more »

Akilan

FFS, I’m sorry. CR7 isn’t injured. Getting fed up with the trolling shites of fake twitter accounts.

Ishola70

I think we may have guessed from Gazidis words in relation for this search for a new manager.

He used the terms brave and bold. We must be brave and bold he said.

You don’t usually associate those terms for a real pedigree manager.

Bamford10

No to Arteta. That would be a terrible appointment. I cannot believe that anyone is seriously thinking about that. He may be Guardiola’s understudy, but he’s not Guardiola. Absolutely no to Arteta.

Ishola70

Would be a “brave and bold” appointment though wouldn’t it Bamford.

Carts

Not sure Arteta is that guy just yet.

Frankie Coffeecakes

Just got worse, 9 confirmed dead and 16 injured. They caught the driver of the van without incident. Sad day at home.

UTarse

Bamford,
If the fuckwit did push through with getting his alleged way and hiring Arteta, would that change your view of Gazidis ?

Ishola70

If Arteta was appointed the fans should hear straight away how he intends to improve matters.

None of this carrying the mantle of Wenger nonsense.

Wenger’s teams for years have had flaws and it should be pointed out what is going to be done about those flaws. Words and action.

Herb's Army

Sorry to hear that, Frankie.
The only blessing is that you weren’t personally caught up in the tragedy.
Too much hate in the world.

Bamford10

UT

That would only tell me that he doesn’t know how to select a manager and that he shouldn’t be in charge of selecting a manager. Nothing more than that.

Hopefully these rumors are false, though, and hopefully Sanllehi’s opinion carries the most weight.

UTarse

Bamford,
Which kinda tell you he is not qualified to be the CEO of Arsenal FC.

Don’t get me wrong I think (and pray) this is just poor speculation and I think the longer it goes without an announcement it points to someone still in a job which hopefully is Allegri

kc

Arteta? No thanks. I’d like a proper manager please. Not one that’s going to be elephant walked by the ownership. I for one don’t understand the obsession with a bum average CM that filled in as a poor man’s Cesc for a few crummy years at Arsenal on the backend of his career. Next.

Marko

lastly I can’t really wait for the new manger to win at least one league title in 2 years and a CL in 5years,would be fun.thats all we want alright.

Victorious if a new manager wins the champions league in 20 years he’d be a bigger success than Wenger. If he merely contends for a title within 14 years he’ll be worth it

Herb's Army

Of the managers we’re likely to get, I’d prefer Ancelotti or Benitez because they’re both Champions League winners, something we’re meant to aspire to, but have only been within touching distance once over a decade ago. It is a constant source of embarrassment that a club of Arsenal’s stature has never won Europe’s top prize when United and Liverpool have won it on multiple occasions. They don’t even have to be long-term solutions, all they need to do is unlock what it takes to win the CL. That is the crucial knowledge Arsenal have lacked, it is our final hurdle… Read more »

Ishola70

“People are forgetting that Wenger was an unknown before he joined and won the league in his first full season. Big names don’t guarentee success, I’d be pretty excited with Arteta”

Why do people talk shit on twitter for?

Wenger wasn’t an unknown that came from nowhere. He managed Monaco in the top French League, managed them in the European Cup and had players there that were brought in for plenty of money like Hoddle, Waddle

Marko

Arteta as assistant manager would be good. Is he Assistant Manager at City, or just a coach?

Coach. Not a number two.

Bamford10

Wright’s comments — along with the continuing trolling of Le Grove by anti-Le-Grove, erstwhile-AKB types — suggests that the divide among Arsenal fans is not going to go away any time soon, sadly. The good news is that all will be united behind the team for the remainder of the season and thereafter. The bad news is that as soon as the topic of Wenger comes up among Arsenal fans, the divide will rear its ugly head again. And that divide will remain until the current generation of supporters dies off. I’m just glad that I was and am on… Read more »

Herb's Army

If the fan-base remains fiercely divided, Bamford, there are no winners.

Hitman

Message to Gazidis : act like a big club and hire a proper manager. Do whatever it takes. Make a statement.

Allegri or Simeoni. Why fukcaround with unknowns?

Bamford10

Herb

It will, but only on the subject of Wenger.

And there is one person to blame for this, btw: Arsene Wenger.

UTarse

Spot on herb

Marko

There’s always going to be some sort of divide in every club because there’s always going to be a difference of opinion that’s life. I don’t know how to feel about Wrighty’s comments I mean he’s right our meek fan base is a bit of a joke sometimes certainly passionless but I just don’t agree with the reason why other clubs fans think we’re a joke. They laugh at the state of us mostly because of Wenger. We’ve become a punchline because for so long we foolishly kept faith with him. And you know grow a pair? Didn’t we finally… Read more »

Akilan

Bamford,
The divide will disappear when we become a proper club again. Imagine us qualifying for the UCL quarters or semis, going toe to toe in a tense game against say a Real or Barca or being in the title contention still in April. Will we be arguing about Wenger? Even if the trolls try to goad we are likely gonna ignore them. The topic of Wenger will be irrelevant.

Troy McClure

Come on, everyone be nice, like you would to a co-worker who has handed in his notice and is on his last 2 weeks. Forget about all the things you didn’t like about him, throw some flowery words around about his departure (“we’ll miss you, I learned so much, how will we run this place without you”) even if it wasn’t actually that great. Then move on immediately. But seriously Wenger did contribute a lot to the club, even if he underachieved for the past few years. Time to make nice and recognize the contribution, with the knowledge that it… Read more »

Bamford10

Akilan

I agree that the subject will become less and less relevant with time; however, it’s also clear that people’s views on the matter are very strongly-felt and hardened-into-stone. Thirty years from now at a pub in north London one Arsenal supporter will overhear another supporter say, “Ah, Wenger, he was a fraud and a twat in his second decade at the club” and there will be words spoken.

Jeff

Someone who’s still wearing L plates has no business managing Arsenal. Absolutely on no account does Arteta fit the bill.

Herb's Army

Really Troy?
You married Selma Bouvier and you’re trying to give out logical advice?
Good luck with that.

Herb's Army

Completely agree, Jeff.
This is Ivan’s moment in the sun, we will learn a lot more about him and the direction of the club from his appointment.
Get it badly wrong and the anger we felt over Wenger will quickly turn to Gazidis.

Champagne charlie

“No to Arteta. That would be a terrible appointment. I cannot believe that anyone is seriously thinking about that. He may be Guardiola’s understudy, but he’s not Guardiola. Absolutely no to Arteta.“

Gazidis believes it so I fully expect a 180 by you if it comes to fruition. Also, love the absolute nature of your opinions that you masquerade as fact (hero trait).

‘Arteta is not Guardiola’, it’s not merely unlikely or far fetched, it’s a definite because you say so. OK guru

Btw…Did you answer at what point you started ‘supporting’ Arsenal when asked previously?

Redtruth

The truth is Wenger was holding back Kroenke with his values over winning philosophy..

Marko

Also, love the absolute nature of your opinions that you masquerade as fact (hero trait).

To be fair he said Arteta is not Guardiola which is technically speaking a fact. I’m Mark I’m not Fred for example which is a fact. I wouldn’t touch Arteta no fucking way does he deserve the job there’s literally nothing anyone can point to that suggests that he should be appointed manager. Nothing. He’s a coach that works alongside Pep? So is Brian Kidd and for longer.

Redtruth

Ishola

Did you hear of Wenger before he came to Arsenal because i certainly hsdn’t…

Bielsa is the only manager thst can take Arsenal to the next level..

Thanos

Comments on sky like gatzidis prefers Arteta and the new manager has £50m to spend are worrying, hope it’s all bullshit

Champagne charlie

Marko

You know I’ve stated Arteta is a bit green for my liking, but you too also know I have a feeling he’s going to be a top manager.

So….

Devils advocate..
– how/why are you so sure Arteta doesn’t have what it takes to come into Arsenal and deliver?
– Is it simply experience?
– What if Arteta has all the tools and just needs the platform?

Redtruth

I associate Arteta with Everton not Arsenal.
I don’t want a Wenger panic buy managing Arsenal…

Jeff

How would you feel if you’re about to undergo major surgery and was told that a junior learner was going to do it? Arteta isn’t the right person for the job, in fact much less so than Rodgers to whom I also said a firm no. We need a proper manager with pedigree. This club has had enough of cheap make-dos and it’s time we took our place in the elite club category. I hope we didn’t sack Wenger to save on his wages but because we want too do much better on the pitch. If Gazidis is trying to… Read more »

Jeff

Arteta was your perennial sideways man when he played for us – a bit like Denilson. Does that mean he can’t manage? No but equally you can’t “learn” talent. You either have it or you don’t. Wenger thought he had it and for 22 years so die the board. WE NEED A HIGH PROFILE MANAGER – so stop messing about Gazidis and start thinking big.

Champagne charlie

“How would you feel if you’re about to undergo major surgery and was told that a junior learner was going to do it?“

I’d feel like some guy seriously just tried to compare a Surgeon to a Football Manager, and pass it off as a rational comment.

Then I’d also note that the best surgeon in the world had a first patient once also.

Marko

You know I’ve stated Arteta is a bit green for my liking, but you too also know I have a feeling he’s going to be a top manager. You have a feeling he’s going to be a top manager is about a certain as the guy who doesn’t think he’s going to be like Guardiola. There’s nothing to suggest right now that he’s going to be a top manager. None. What is it that convinced you otherwise? He’s likely only on Pep’s team because he’s got prem experience is a nice guy and is Spanish. Devils advocate.. – how/why are… Read more »

Jeff

CC, you wouldn’t know rational if it fucked you up the cunt. That’s why it’s called an analogy.

Marko

Then I’d also note that the best surgeon in the world had a first patient once also.

Bet he didn’t have two years learning before being thrown in the deep end

Pierre

Marko “. They laugh at the state of us mostly because of Wenger.” Think you’re wrong there…. They laugh at you (not me) because they look at the trophies we have won and they look at the football we play and they can’t understand why you would constantly criticise the club you support as if Arsenal have a god given right to win the league. You don’t see empty seats at Liverpool and Tottenham and they haven’t won the title for decades.. I was watching Everton tonight and guess what, no empty Seats. But Arsenal fans decide to boycott games… Read more »

Marko

Tony Cascarino is an idiot if we’re honest. Look problem solved why don’t we wait two years and give it to Per Mertesacker.

Zfree

I started reading Le Grove last July. All this talk of Untold, I went there today for the first time and holy shit. The amount of Arsène cock gobbling going on is disturbing.

Champagne charlie

Jeff Certainly wouldn’t know sensible after talking to you. It was a shit analogy, and I told you exactly why it has no relevance even when ignoring how shit it was. Marko “He’s shown nothing”… seems there’s plenty in the game that suggest otherwise. Would appear a prerequisite of an Arsenal manager is to be a manager elsewhere first. Is that really necessary? I mean absolutely so? Sure it’s far more typical, but if Arteta has the ability he has the ability. Nagelsmann went right into it. I’m only saying if there’s genuine consideration then it stands to reason that… Read more »

Marko

They laugh at you (not me) because they look at the trophies we have won and they look at the football we play and they can’t understand why you would constantly criticise the club you support Nah they laugh at you. First off by and large we play shit football these days and have for a few years now. They laugh at 14 years without a title challenge and embarrassing showings in Europe. They laugh at the consistent hammerings we suffered year after year in big games. They laugh at all that and we continually stuck with the manager. While… Read more »

Marko

Would appear a prerequisite of an Arsenal manager is to be a manager elsewhere first

You don’t think so? Also Nagelsmann was given his chance at Hoffenheim not Arsenal football club and in its current form you’d want someone like Arteta? 6th place finishes aren’t bad enough for you. Look I can see where this is heading so I’ll just ask you Charlie why Arteta then why not Vieira?

China

The idea that attending games and cheering on wengers arsenal is a requirement to be a ‘real fan’ is laughable because at the end of the day the club and in particular Arsene treated the fans with total disdain for the best part of a decade Arsenal is like family. But just like family, we don’t need to be treated like worthless bottom feeders with the constant lies and derision from the club in the same way if my own dad did I wouldn’t fucking bother to turn up to Sunday lunch with him It’s not ultimately about failing which… Read more »

Champagne charlie

Marko Pretty sure Nagelsmann managed a year or so at 1860 but maybe that’s another young germ. “You don’t think so? “ It’s a typical career trajectory of course, but I’m more open to ambitious/forward thinking decisions that can push convention. I’ve stated I think Arteta is green, but I’ve little to know insight on how he is day to day. That piece from Wenger indicates he’s been mad into it for a number of years, to the point of impressing Arsène the obsessive. The best coach on the planet has since snatched him at the first opportunity, and City… Read more »

Redtruth

I think Champagne charlie is seriously mentally disturbed.

Arteta would be found wanting just like another of Champagne charlie’s favourites
Xhaka..

I don’t want Arteta, Vieira, Ancelotti or Rodgers anywhere near the club..

Frankie Coffeecakes

Thank you, Herbs Army. My heart goes out to those who have been so senselessly killed.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/pedestrians-struck-white-van-1.4631564

Champagne charlie

Red

You adopt a troll persona daily to interact with the same strangers on the internet. You don’t incite debate or talk rationally/reasonably, instead you provide a stunted monologue of nonsense incorporating whomever is present at the time.

I’m afraid you don’t have the grounds to call anyone else mentally disturbed, so back you go to your mums tit and let the adults continue talking.

China

Re Arteta – if he comes I’ll fully support him He might be the real deal – though I’d far prefer we have someone whose achieved something in his managerial career already What we need to consider is that this isn’t a real/Chelsea/city/Barca type situation where we already have a fantastic squad and just need some fresh ideas. This is bluntly the worst arsenal squad in two decades – at a time when England and Europe is far more competitive than ever Arteta may well be the real deal, which would be great, but I’d feel much safer with an… Read more »

Redtruth

The best coach in the world who hasn’t come close to winning the Champions league with the richest and top teams in years….lol

Redtruth

Champagne charlie

Likewise you can snuggle up to Wenger’s teat ..

Marko

but I’m more open to ambitious/forward thinking decisions that can push convention.

I don’t think Arteta is an ambitious choice. Or forward thinking there’s nothing to suggest that either. But again what makes him more a candidate than Vieira?

That piece from Wenger indicates he’s been mad into it for a number of years, to the point of impressing Arsène the obsessive

He’s also said Vieira could do the job and honestly it’s the kind of generic platitude a manager would give a former player

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PierreApril 23, 2018 23:12:45 Marko “. They laugh at the state of us mostly because of Wenger.”Think you’re wrong there…. They laugh at you (not me) because they look at the trophies we have won and they look at the football we play and they can’t understand why you would constantly criticise the club you support as if Arsenal have a god given right to win the league. You don’t see empty seats at Liverpool and Tottenham and they haven’t won the title for decades.. I was watching Everton tonight and guess what, no empty Seats. But Arsenal fans decide… Read more »

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Moyes really turned out for Man U after fergies advice.

I’d take whatever Wenger has said and piss it down the toilet.

Not yet for arteta. Go be manager at Lowet level first.

Hopefully a football mind like Raul has more of a say than gazidis

Marko

Given everything that is wrong with the current state of the club and it’s problems on the field what is it that a person can actually point to that Arteta has done that makes a case for him. Honestly like we have serious problems in defence is there anything to suggest that Arteta can remedy that? We blow hot and cold in attack is there anything to suggest Arteta can get the best out of our attackers? Anything to suggest that he’s good with younger players? Tactically speaking anything to show there? Does anyone even have an idea of the… Read more »

Champagne charlie

Marko Bit disingenuous there, Wenger have a one line answer when literally asked about Vieira being ready to manager Arsenal. With Arteta he stated he hoped he goes on to be a coach because he has standout qualities (he was still a player at this point). What’s the difference between Arteta and Vieira? On the surface nothing. What’s the difference between Sane and Iwobi? Ability. Neither you or I are in the position to judge with any certainty how they compare as coaching talents. What I will say though is that Vieira has been at Man City a while now… Read more »

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Maybe because there is more value in being the manager of a club than an assistant?

How do you know viera wasn’t asked but decided to stay in NY?

Champagne charlie

J.oey

There’s not more value managing in the MLS than being in training everyday with the best coach on the planet.

I have no idea if Vieira was asked to come join Pep, but only two options are at play and neither make Patrick sound elite.

1. Didn’t get the call, too busy making sure Arteta was on board
2. Got the call but preferred to work daily with league two talents, and not the elites of football. Ambition

Redtruth

Arsenal are going to hire a manager who they can control who accepts the terms and conditions of not being too demanding.

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Pep started at Barca B.

Have to manage somewhere

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Maybe he’s still trying to get his badges and wanted to get them as a manager and not assistant.

And it’s man city’s farm club. Never know if he was told to go there. Bide his time and when pep leaves in 3 years it’s his.

I wouldn’t trust what Wenger has to say about viera. Didn’t bring him back to the fold at Arsenal. Obviously there is no love lost between the two.

Henry also chose tv broadcasting than to work under Wenger.