Wenger, OUT

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The most important announcement of Le Grove’s entire history.

Arsene Wenger has left the club.

The greatest manager in our history will leave at the end of the season.

I’m speechless.

We knew things were going to get tough for the big man this summer, with the imaginary reviews. But it looks like our theory about Josh K being the grim reaper were true. He was sent over by Stan to takeover the club, and the PR team probably told him the best way to start a new era is with decisive action.

Wenger is going, but the side story for me is this announces Josh Kroenke is now going to be a more solid part of the club setup moving forward.

Ivan Gazidis finally pulled through. After being near-fatally wounded last summer by a horrible back alley deal between Wenger and Stan K, Ivan worked some behind the scenes magic. He hired Raul Sahnelli, Sven Mislintat and attacked Wenger’s power grip on the club. I was told he actually tried to take things further, but a furor was caused by some of the proposed additions to the team.

Those moves made it very difficult for Wenger to work his political magic this summer. The new guys came in, ripped out the deadwood of the squad in January, they added new blood and high-quality names, and the rot continued.

At the heart of it, Wenger had no fail-safe.

He was damaging the club financially. We lost a huge amount on Alexis Sanchez, not only in cash, but in pride. Losing your best player for under half price is a terrible look. Not just that, because contracts were so badly organised, Mesut Ozil was allowed to hold the club over the barrel.

Going beyond just those two names, Wenger has been hoarding average players for years. He’s been fattening them up on a hideous socialist wage structure which has left the club nursing a £200m wage bill, whilst Spurs are above us competing on £60m less. Wenger was no longer offering value.

Not just that, he was destroying the careers of young talents. Project British core was an out and out failure. Kieran Gibbs went to shit, Jenkinson shouldn’t have been in it, Jack Wilshere lost interest in the game, Theo Walcott never fulfilled his great potential, Chambo went to Liverpool and made a semi-final of the CL, and Aaron Ramsey was always injured.

The club stopped being a sporting entity. The objective wasn’t about greatness, it was about an old mans ego and his rampant desire to hold onto power. The club didn’t exist for trophies and elite glory, it was a vessel for a long retirement. When you stop operating on a sporting values level, it makes it dull for fans who’ve been paying huge amounts of money to see their heroes compete at the highest level.

When fans don’t show up, don’t expect sponsors to. The empty stadiums started in February this year. That’s not because of bad fans, it’s because they’re seeing the same old dross week after week. The ultimate protest is not going to a game, the ultimate show of how Arsenal had fallen is fans couldn’t give their Arsenal tickets away.

The time had come. The Champions League Top 4 trophy didn’t arrive, Wenger wasn’t developing players, the fans were bored and not showing, and the football was drab.

I think ultimately, the success of The LA Rams helped push this move. Stan is enjoying the great press around his LA team, and I’m sure he wants some of that over here.

Wenger is gone.

It’s the right move for the club.

The next two years will be tough, but at least we’ll be watching an exciting project.

I’ll write more on Wenger at a later date, but damn, I’m going to enjoy this moment.

A new Arsenal will rise, and we’ll look back on the banter years and wonder why we didn’t do this sooner.

Have a great day. x

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  1. Guns of Hackney

    Arsene had the money
    He had the resources
    He had no pressure to perfom
    He had the newest stadia in England
    He had total support from the board
    He had a job for life

    He fucked it. No one else is to blame for the past 10 years. It’s all on Wenger.

  2. TitsMcGee

    How did Leicester do it?”

    Lol

    The excuse that season if I rem correctly was that it was divine and that Wenger was getting closer and closer.

    Wallace was the one who uttered that nonsense. The same Wallace that is wiping his tears this morning and sucking his thumb.

  3. Akilan

    The short list according to Ornstein:
    1. Allegri
    2. Ancelotti
    3. Luis Enrique
    4. Arteta
    5. Vieira
    6. Henry
    7. Nagelsmann

    It seems we’re yet to decide whether to go with experience( the first 3) or the young up and coming managers.

    If we go with experience, it’s likely between the two Italians. Raul likes the idea of Luis though.

    If we go with the youth, it’s anybody’s guess. Sven wants Nagelsmann it seems. Sadly there is no Jardim.

  4. alexanderhenry

    Guns of Hackney

    No one knows how Leicester did it.
    Literally no one. I suspect not even ranieri knows.

    One thing everyone does know is this:

    It’ll never happen again.

  5. Bamford10

    “past couple of seasons”

    This is so dishonest. We’ve had plenty of money to spend since 2011 or so. It was in 2012 that Gazidis said Arsenal’s financial position was strong enough to compete with anyone in the world.

  6. PhD07

    TitsMcGeeApril 21, 2018 07:56:31
    If Wenger left in 2008-2009 or even 2010 he’d still have a lot more people in his corner.

    Unfortunately it’s April 2018 and the last time he won the league was 14 seasons ago.
    He’s finished an avg of 15 points behind the league winners during that span. 11 or 12 of those 14 seasons were 10 points or further behind.He’s been eroding us for over a decade while he greedily took contract extensions and pay rises despite his incompetence.
    —–

    Ouch.Brutal,but true.

  7. Bamford10

    “No one knows how Leicester did it.
    Literally no one. I suspect not even ranieri knows.”

    Also nonsense.

  8. Guns of Hackney

    Alexander

    Come on!!! It was not an act of god. They did not tear the fabric of time or reality. They won more games than everyone else and accumulated more points. They did this with a shit squad, no cash and the tinkerman in charge!

    38 games is not lucky.

    The billionaires at arsenal got schooled by the inbreds down at Leicester.

    That’s a shambles. Not divine intervention.

  9. alexanderhenry

    One thing is certain: Arsenal need to spend big to get back in to the top four let alone challenge.

    All that money that wenger refused to spend on principle therefore, will now be available to the incoming manager.

    Happy days

  10. Frankie Coffeecakes

    @AlexanderHenry – “It’ll never happen again.”

    A “Leicester” can happen again, anything can happen and Leicester proved it.

  11. TitsMcGee

    Now you’re referring to the present. Do you want to discuss the period when arsenal first moved or the past couple of seasons?”

    My whole post was a start to end of Wenger’s career. Glory days at first. Followed by 4th place is a trophy in the middle followed by 6th place at the end. You can blame oil money and stadium builds and Abramovich all you want. He floundered as soon as City, Chelsea arrived and has floundered even more now that Liverpool, Spurs have found their managers. The key point you should have taken away is the competition of the rivals.

    So it is your contention that Wenger would have continued his success if it were not for the big bad money spenders (how dare they right?) ?

    Wenger has spent a shed load of cash last few seasons. Has really been successful eh?

  12. Bamford10

    Also, by the way, when you see that you are at a money disadvantage to your competition, what does the smart person do? First and foremost, he improves his scouting. Because you obviously are going to need to find quality at a lower price point.

    Did Wenger do this? No. He stuck with the scouting he had and signed the likes of Yaya Sanogo.

    The list of quality players who have been signed by other clubs for modest sums over the past ten years is very, very long. A smart manager would have made sure we were better on this front. Wenger trusted his French intuition re footballers and he fucking failed. Please stop with the apologetics.

  13. alexanderhenry

    Titsmcgee

    ‘So it is your contention that Wenger would have continued his success if it were not for the big bad money spenders (how dare they right?) ?Wenger has spent a shed load ‘

    No, I’m suggesting Chelsea and particularly city wouldn’t have won any titles without spending.

    Also, I’m not anti spending. I like it. I just want arsenal to do it more.

  14. TitsMcGee

    It’ll never happen again.”

    Lol

    Said the same thing after Blackburn Rovers.

    It won’t happen often maybe once every 20 years.

    Pretty telling that Wenger couldn’t even fluke his way to an EPL title (even the year Leicester did) the last 14 seasons.

  15. Emiratesstroller

    Let’s take a look at pedigree and success of managers of clubs ranked above.

    GUADIOLA
    Excellent footballer who played and won trophies at the top level. Has now won league titles managing Barcelona, Bayern and Man City. Also won Champions League. Benefited from Managing top clubs but is intelligent and tactically astute.

    MOURINHO
    Non footballer, but as a manager has been successful winning league titles and
    Champions League. Intelligent and tactically astute. However rather like marmite someone you either love or hate.

    KLOPP
    Limited footballer. Won titles with Borussia Dortmund. High motivational skills and enthusiasm. Uncertain about his tactics.

    POCHETTINO
    Average footballer. Has clearly got a good tactical brain as football coach. Has
    improved performance level at both Southampton and Spurs. Yet to prove that
    he can win trophies.

    CONTE
    International class footballer. Has won league titles at both Juventus and Chelsea. Also managed National Team. However, question marks about his
    current motivation at Chelsea.

  16. alexanderhenry

    Let’s leave all the revisionism aside.
    Wenger is going so why not discuss the future.

    As arsenal fans what do you expect from the club this summer?

  17. steve

    Lol at the Wenger followers trying to justify Wengers failings. He’s done. Finished. Get over it. You guys lost.

  18. alexanderhenry

    Titsmcgee

    Blackburn rovers were bankrolled by Jack Walker at the time.
    They signed Shearer for a record fee at the time.

    Again, facts mate. Stick to them.

  19. Dissenter

    Or stein and all the rest of these journos know nothing.
    They didn’t have a clue what was coming. Apparently the BoD along with Josh Mronke has decided that Wenger had to go. Josh Kroenke forwarded the info to the father and the father made th call to Wenger.

    Wenger was pushed out.
    We came through….eventually and behaved like a proper club.
    We came through because they kept it away from the media, no leaks or drama.

    Gazidis was pitch perfect yesterday…I disagree with you PhD.
    He just can’t Mention that we’ve gone far with the manager search.

    Gazidis can’t have been drinking tea with the new BoD and Mislintat for so long.
    We must have a short list of 2-3 candidates already, they’ve been working in these for long. They’ve been sounding out candidates and have screened out all the fluff.

    We behaved like a proper club. Wenger would have been sacked, that’s why he jumped.

  20. Dissenter

    Next line of business
    Start cutting and burning all the Wenger left-behinds.
    Starting with Jack Wilshere
    He’s living off one match in 2011 and doesn’t give us any chance to reshape our midfield. No pace, no,power, no athleticism and his passing is way too slow.

    The offer on the table is too lucrative k reduce that offer so he can walk away.

  21. TitsMcGee

    No, I’m suggesting Chelsea and particularly city wouldn’t have won any titles without spending.”

    Okay …..

    Spending money doesn’t automatically equate to winning. That’s where you’ve got it wrong.

    Ask Mancini.
    Ask any Chelsea manager.
    Ask Wengie-poo who has spent a shed load the last few seasons.

    The stadium build shiiite is just that. Shiiite. Another ruse. That’s been proven by the cintinued ineptitude .

  22. Michael24

    JHC!

    This Bob the builder character is a pain in the you know what.

    “Post truth” “post truth” “post truth”.

    Great world you live in.

    Who are you now?

    Irene?!?

  23. TitsMcGee

    Again, facts mate. Stick to them.”

    The same facts you ignore?

    “Mate”? Or would you prefer “bruv”?

  24. alexanderhenry

    Titsmcgee

    Let’s agree to differ on this.

    I’m looking forward to seeing the club make a statement in the transfer window this summer.

    The squad needs a massive overhaul.

  25. Akilan

    Dissenter,
    What do you think of Ornstein’s list? I think it is realistic and I believe we’re looking at them. Remember, if the hierarchy doesn’t want the media to know, the media can’t know. It doesn’t mean Ornstein doesn’t know anything.

    I prefer Allegri if we go with experience. Nagelsmann if we opt for youth.

  26. Dissenter

    Ornstein and the rest can’t be ITK if they didn’t have a clue that such a seismic shift was coming.
    I would say don’t believe a damn thing about all the noise they are making.

    Gazidis hasn’t been playing darts in his office with Sanllehi and Mislintat for the last four months. This is farther advanced than we all knew.

    Gazidis just had to use the aura of paying tributes to Wenger to keep the media distracted while the real work is going on.

  27. PhD07

    Bamford10April 21, 2018 09:05:47
    “past couple of seasons”This is so dishonest. We’ve had plenty of money to spend since 2011 or so. It was in 2012 that Gazidis said Arsenal’s financial position was strong enough to compete with anyone in the world.
    —————–

    The same Lazidis that said the following;
    “No club has a perfect record every year under this scrutiny but Arsenal has probably been, of the big clubs certainly, the most consistently over-performing team over time.”

    2016.
    http://www.espn.co.uk/football/arsenal/story/2916000/arsenal-set-up-to-compete-in-more-balanced-premier-league-gazidis

    Arsenal’s strategy in recent years has seen them build their roster through a few big names like Mesut Ozil and Alexis Sanchez, a smattering of lesser-known players like Santi Cazorla and Laurent Koscielny, and young performers like Hector Bellerin, Francis Coquelin, and Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain. This approach has frustrated segments of the fan base that feel more money should be spent, but Gazidis remains convinced it’s the right way to go.

    “This approach, for us, gives us a very, very powerful balance because it’s not just about spending money but about how you spend your money and doing it wisely,” said Gazidis. “It’s about having a strong core philosophy and values within the club that players buy into and our fans can be proud of.

    “These are all things that lead to success, and when you look at Arsenal over the last four or five years, there’s no question that the squad has been progressing in strength. We’ve got a squad now that we believe is capable of competing to win the premier league. We came in second last year, which was disappointing. But we’re on the right track.”

    He added: “We’re making progress in what is a fiercely competitive world, against competitors that have the capability to spend far more money than we do. We’re doing it by being very, very disciplined; spending money where we believe it makes a difference, but also giving young players a chance and believing in ourselves and our values.”
    ———-
    2017/18
    Coquellin sold
    Sanchez sold
    Ox sold
    Carzola-crock-almost retired.

    Indeed making progress.Now midtable battling with Burnley.
    You trust this guy,in your supported arguments?

  28. Kay

    Decision as big as this will always be a high
    guarded secret. Nothing to be surprised.

    And ornstein always shares legit info just before it appears in arsenal.com. he is always late but correct

  29. Dissenter

    Akilan
    How are you doing?
    Ornstein and the rest are just making stuff up.
    He was in complete dark about the Wenger situation until it happened because only very few people; 4-5 on the board, Josh, Gazidis and Stan were in the know.

    We don’t have a long list.
    There’s no way we won’t have been sounding out people for the better part if six months. Everyone who’s interviewed would have to pledge to secrecy. The moment they break that promise they get dropped off the check list.

    We have to remember that it’s late April already. The summer is a short summer due to the World Cup and pre-season games starts one week the final World Cup game.

    We have to be down to a final list of 2-3 candidates already.

    It will be footballing malpractice if Ornstein were to be right. The way the Wenger exit was managed tells me otherwise.

  30. Akilan

    But if the reports are to be believed, nobody knew this except the board & Wenger himself. Players were informed just before the announcement. So Ornstein can’t really know?

    I do agree with you on gazidis. He never answers the questions directly. Always talks shit. But he has kinda modernized the club though. The thing is with these type of people, if they get things done, nobody cares about what they have to say. If they can’t, they’d absolutely be hated. Right now, he’s done things. Raul, Sven, Huss and the Australian sports guy are all highly qualified. If he gets the manager right, he can say whatever he wants.

  31. Pierre

    Tit
    “It’s funny that Chelsea and City spend money and that is some valid excuse why he dropped down the ladder. Last I checked Spurs and Liverpool haven’t spent oodles of cash or have oil money but they are wiping the floor with us in the table now as well.”

    Tit… What’s more important wiping the floor with trophies in the cabinet (arsenal) or finishing a couple of places up the league table15/20 points behind the champions (spurs and Liverpool)

  32. Wallace

    tits

    “Wallace was the one who uttered that nonsense. The same Wallace that is wiping his tears this morning and sucking his thumb.”

    got what you wanted and you’re still furious 🙂

  33. PhD07

    Bamford10April 21, 2018 09:05:47
    “past couple of seasons”This is so dishonest. We’ve had plenty of money to spend since 2011 or so. It was in 2012 that Gazidis said Arsenal’s financial position was strong enough to compete with anyone in the world.

    —————————–
    Gaizidis in May 2017:-

    ” When you look at the world of football, and you think about the great candidates that there are – and there are many great coaching candidates in the world and Arsenal is a club that all of them would want to work for because of the things we represent in football – but when you look around and make that assessment, you don’t find any better candidates than Arsène Wenger.”

    —————
    Who’s the disingenuous one??You, or quoted person?Or both?

    Take your pick.

  34. Akilan

    Dissenter,
    Doing very well, mate. I don’t know I actually felt sad yesterday after the news. Right now I’m buzzing and can’t wait for the future.

  35. Wallace

    Gazidis said yesterday they have not started asking around as it would have been disrespectful to Wenger. so anyone talking about anything beyond a shortlist is just speculating. pure and simple.

  36. Dissenter

    It’s amazing how Arsenal fans have turned David Ornstein into some kind of Demi-god ITK super cult-hero.
    He’s probably dating a dinner lady or knows the person in charge of the Arsenal web site.

    Gazidis pretty much controlled his press conference yesterday; said a lot without saying anything.

  37. Bamford10

    PhD

    Given that I’m not speaking there and haven’t said anything about that remark, I can’t be accused of “disingenuousness”. And has already been noted many times, Gazidis was clearly singing the company line there. Was he being disingenuous? Sure, sometimes that’s required in business.

    My point, however, was that Alexanderhenry was being dishonest when he said that Wenger has had funds for the last “couple” of seasons. He has had money to spend for some time now.

  38. Dissenter

    Wallace
    You really believe Arsenal haven’t been talking to anyone yet, out of respect to Wenger?
    You probably don’t believe that we talked to anyone last year as well.

  39. HillWood

    I think Wenger put too much faith (naively? ) in FFP and set his stall accordingly
    Then it all got watered down and he was left stranded
    Obviously there was other shit too

  40. Bamford10

    Wenger’s recommendation as to whom should follow him should carry no weight whatsoever. Indeed, it is reason not to hire that person.

  41. alexanderhenry

    Dissenter

    We just don’t know. I imagine they have been but at what level.

    I think what’s important is that Arsenal fc come out strongly for a candidate and are seen to get their man.

  42. Akilan

    Wallace,
    No. He also said the hiring process starts today, which is also bs. If you think after announcing that Arsene will leave and then sit tight up until he actually leaves is ridiculous. My guess is they’ll be doing the work behind the scenes and announce him after the end of the season.

    Yesterday’s presser was nothing but showing off from Ivan. He’s the boss now. Nobody will ask anything important to Wenger now and he will answer it’s not in his hands anyway.

  43. PhD07

    Bamford10April 21, 2018 09:59:52
    PhDGiven that I’m not speaking there and haven’t said anything about that remark, I can’t be accused of “disingenuousness”. And has already been noted many times, Gazidis was clearly singing the company line there. Was he being disingenuous? Sure, sometimes that’s required in business.
    —————–
    And what about your comments regarding Lacazette,getting behind Arsene a week ago?

    To paraphrase you”a dickhead” and he’s gone down in your estimation?”

    I guess Lacazette,was exempt(in your opinion) from singing the company line there,as an employee of the club,much like Gazidis?

  44. Pierre

    Hillwood
    Agreed.. FFP was supposed to make it more of a level playing field but the gap has widened between the richest clubs (psg, city, United) and the likes of Liverpool, Arsenal and spurs.

    However, that doesn’t make it impossible to compete, look at Monaco last season, but the problem is holding on to the elite players as Liverpool have found difficult and spurs may have the same problem.

  45. Pierre

    Allegri is the man for me.

    There is a bit of George Graham in him I reckon.

    Good organiser, very disciplined and he looks like an Arsenal man..

    George was always immaculately dressed and had a presence about him, similar to Allegri.

  46. Goonerfor29years

    As much as we wanted this, we should speak more respectfully of Wenger.

    Among other things, at the top of his game, he was pursued by the biggest clubs, nations and thrown money at. He never wavered.

    For this and all the other moments of positivity he has brought to my life all these years, he has my respect and I will never gloat of this moment even though I too did feel it was time.