Disaster draw spells the end of the road OR an extension of hell

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FEEEEEEEED ME EUROPA!

That was the call, and the footballing gods delivered.

Look, I’m not going to lie here, I see the weaknesses in what’s going on. I see the average output. I see players wearing the red and white that shouldn’t be. But damn, I’m not going to let that get in the way of my love for the competition and SUCCESS.

We’re in a semi-final. By hook or crook, we’ve managed to surpass expectations and continue the back door dream!

I put my foot in it massively yesterday when I doubted King Wele. No sooner had I lambasted his worth, than he was bearing down on goal curling a delicious through ball from the Egyptian Zidane. It was quite the goal. Spectacular. A little insight into what he could be if he focused his talent and got on with the job of being an incredible player.

Aaron Ramsey capped off the evening when the Egyptian King of Assists released him on a long breaking run. His engine powered him past the CSKA defence, his cool finish elevated the ball over the keeper, his passion for being a Europa King took us to the semi-final in non-humiliating fashion.

Sure, we can talk about how utterly average we were for the first 70minutes, but I’d only be doubling down on a reality you’re all too familiar with. Arsene Wenger doesn’t know what he’s doing and he’s being majorly flattered by a sub-standard European competition. We have floated into the semi’s without a real test, yet made a hash of Ostersunds at home, CSKA away, and Cologne in the group stages. Winning it will of course feel glorious, but I still think the trophy would need context when they review Wenger at the end of the season.

I mean, talking about winning things is ultimately futile now we know we have Atleti over two legs.

I’ve seen crazier things happen in football, but I’m not sure a team that ships two goals against a bunch of cloggers is going to be able to deal with the intensity of Atleti. Diego Costa, Griezmann, Saul, Oblak, Koke… it’s a wet dream of a squad, managed by one of the most tactically astute coaches in the world.

We can’t match them for quality, fitness, desire or smarts… I really can’t see this working out over two games.

Still, it’ll be a spectacle. There’s no better way for Wenger to show he’s up to it. We spend more than them, we have a richer squad, so there’s no excuse. If we win, then Wenger should carry on for another year, if we lose badly, it’s curtains (should be). There will be no glorious failure, there will be no story of progress because it’ll mean the first proper team we met we were spanked.

Also, for more perspective, be honest with the season. We’re firmly rooted in 6th place, and the team has been playing 1 game a week. Champions League football with this squad and manager next year will be absolutely horrible unless we have a new coach.

We should be going all in on Allegri, arguably the best coach on the planet at the moment.

Right, I uploaded the wrong podcast yesterday, sorry about that. Get on this real one. We were a bit pissed, so I’m not sure about quality. I also did a piece on radio drunk as well.

Things I learnt that do not sober you up:

  • Pizza
  • Loud music
  • Intense docu-dramas
  • Showers
  • Phone calls with an irate girlfriend

But what is a man to do? We just made the semi!

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Bankz

Bankz is here for the TR4PHY again

Bankz

2

Bankz

BOOOOOOOM

Bankz

4

Boomslang

Too effing late

Bankz

2 consecutive tr4phies in the same day.
where is the fucking competition?
I’m literally walking the legrove hall of fame

Bankz

you’re a party pooper Boomslang.
I planned going on a row this afternoon till you came along

Confidentgoner

The problem with this team is its imbalance. It reared it’s head again in Moscow. Also certain players need to be dropped, Jack being one. Must say Elneny impressed as did Wellbeck too. The issue starts with our midfield. Ozil is a 10, not a winger. Ramsey is a 10 as well, but a different type of 10. We loose something by not having proper wingers in the team. Jack, Ramsey, Ozil all play a similar role. We use Bellerin and Nancho for width. No successful team does that. You create gaps to be exploited. We need structural adjustments. Sell… Read more »

Confidentgoner

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Boomslang

Two trofees in one day Bankz, that’s enough for you 🙂

Leedsgunner

“We’re in a semi-final. By hook or crook, we’ve managed to surpass expectations and continue the back door dream!”

Exceed expectations?

My expectations for Arsenal, in this competition, was to win it, and I could not have been the only one. If we go out at the semi final stage — Wenger and Arsenal will have still underachieved… especially when Man Utd won it last year.

Frankie Coffeecakes

“Winning it will of course feel glorious, but I still think the trophy would need context when they review Wenger at the end of the season.”

Wishful thinking at best, Pedro. A trophy is all that matters and should it be delivered they will all be heroes in the eyes of ownership and the board. Afterall, there is a financial windfall to be had with it. History will show that Wenger will be rewarded despite his increasing ineptitude and flat out abysmal abilities.

TheBlaster

While Atletico will probably be too good, I have to hope that we’ll beat them over two legs and go through to win, principally because getting the fourth CL place, however undeserved on League performance, would be the most monumental piss over Spurs chips in recent years!

Frankie Coffeecakes

Bottom line, fail to win Europa and this season goes down as an absolute failure on all fronts. Anyone that tries to qualify what has been on display this season as success of at any level, is certifiably insane.

Frankie Coffeecakes

Dont know what to honestly make of what you stated, TheBlaster? In the scope of a rather large picture I think you have hit upon likely the most insignificant portion of it.

Elmo

TheBlaster

The 4th place trophy winners only lose the CL place if BOTH Liverpool win the CL and Arsenal win the EL.

Possible, but unlikely. It would be a monumental mugging of Spuds if they finished 4th and that happened going into the first season in their new stadium.

champagne charlie

Not sure I buy into the idea Wenger would leave/get sacked should we lose the semi. I think there’s more of a chance he’s ushered out following European glory.

The board and Stan are gutless, this we know, so I think it’d be a lot easier for them to stomach changing manager off the back of a trophy. Not confident either way that there’s leadership in place to navigate change, but fans live on hope.

alexanderhenry

CC ‘The board and Stan are gutless’. I reckon they’re quietly crapping themselves. People wonder why Stan re appointed wenger. Well, it’s called kicking the can down the road. Wenger has been the buffer for stan down the years, the man that took all the flak and has been willing to do so. It’s been so easy for Stan, sitting back and watching his investment grow while contributing nothing himself. The problem is this; wenger is now well and truly past it. He used to be able to cobble to together a fairly decent team despite everything ,but now –… Read more »

Akilan

Both Liverpool and Arsenal have to finish outside the top 4 and win their respective competitions AND spurs have to finish 4th to eliminate spurs from the UCL. Stop talking about this because Chelsea aint finishing above spurs.

Michael24

Three games from glory!

Will Wenger’s and Arsenal’s luck finally come to end against AM?

Of course, the vast majority, myself included, can’t see anything but a Atletico win.

However, irrespective of Arsenal’s obvious frailties, I’m sure the Spaniards would have preferred either Marseille or Salzburg.

Whatever happens, it will be a spectacle.

Michael24

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Bamford10

Alexanderhenry “He won’t put extra money into the club, won’t get a top coach IMO and everyone can forget extra money coming in.” One, he sent his son Josh to London for two months in order to study Arsenal and all of its processes, so he clearly cares about what is going on at Arsenal and is looking for Josh’s input on how things can be changed and improved. Two, he allowed Gazidis to hire Sanllehi (a DoF) and Mislintat, so he is clearly interested in a better and brighter (post-Wenger) future. Three, as has been pointed out COUNTLESS times… Read more »

Bamford10

Pedro

Even winning the Europa shouldn’t grant Wenger another season at the helm. Despite spending plenty of money, we’re going to finish 6th in the PL and play out the season to half-empty stadiums. It’s over. He really, really needs to go this summer. And if by some miracle Arsenal manage to get past Atletico and win the Europa, this should be his moment to retire while “on top,” not an excuse to prolong the malaise.

steve

“If we win, then Wenger should carry on for another year”

Lol what? Why should he carry on another year?

“While Atletico will probably be too good, I have to hope that we’ll beat them over two legs and go through to win, principally because getting the fourth CL place, however undeserved on League performance, would be the most monumental piss over Spurs chips in recent years!”

That’s not how the rules work. England would get five places in the CL just like this year.

JAMES WOOD

Your Comment Here

POST 17 23 48.
“YOU AND YOUR LOT”
TEDIOUS
BORING
REETITIVE.
FROM MR SUBBUTEO.
BANFORD GET A LIFE.

JAMES WOOD

Tedious /boring/repetitive.
I suppose that also sums Wenger up.

Guns of SF

Wenger will either get replaced if not winning the EL or should retire should he win it. Either way, I pray that he leaves.
damned if he does and doesnt.

Guns of SF

I do think we can take atleti at home. We need Laca to be sharp… he looked like shit yesterday and his body language when being subbed makes me a little worried. Atleti do not blow teams away but wear them down slowly. Almost a copy of us this season… looking to score late…. I think a quick goal to us in the game however can lead to more

Akilan

Pierre,
Let’s agree to disagree re Ramsey.

Akilan

Wenger doesn’t have any mental problems. When he wins(back when he was still relevant) he usually comes across as a measured, decent chap.

He’s narcissistic, selfish and a cunt(a different type to Mou). Nowadays he talks shite because he simply isn’t good enough. Nobody takes his comments seriously which leads him to say more and more outlandish statements. The concept of him being mentally ill absolves him from some of his fuckups(as someone already pointed out) and we shouldn’t do it.

Akilan

Victorious,
Wenger isn’t the greatest ever manager mate. Not by any scale. That’s outright disrespectful to the greatest manager ever lived, Herbert Chapman.

David Smith

Wenger isn’t getting past the semis, he hasn’t beaten a decent team over two legs in, what, a decade? If he stays, as many have said, they will have to give him a two year deal this summer, or the circus starts again. Surely that is a step too far even for Stan? If it isn’t, we might as well all give up on the club and do something more interesting instead. If Wenger is still here in Aug after this season, if confirms for good Stan is happy with mediocrity, we could easily lose the semi and finish seventh.… Read more »

TR7

Wenger will be our manager next season no matter what happens in Europa or in the league. And yes he won’t leave if he wins Europa,,rather he will use it to sign another contract. Some people never learn.

Guns of SF

TR7
Alas, we are all used to his games by now. I think that the new management will not allow him to resign. Too much water now under the bridge. I think London would have a complete riot if that were to happen

champagne charlie

Banford with the predictable essay absolving Kroenke and piling it on Arsene. You shock nobody

englandsbest

Is Elnenny the man Arsenal have needed ever since Vieira and Gilberto departed? Last night he showed energy, commitment, endeavour, plus a few flashes of brilliance. His display suggests that he is the sort of player who thrives when given responsibility. A team player, not one who goes for the limelight. The pairing with Ramsay seems ideal, He fills in, covers Aaron’s forays. And to hold the Welshman back would be counter-productive in this purple patch of his. Another thing: Elnenny knows how to tackle., which is more than can be said for Xhaka or Jack. Nobody is suggesting that… Read more »

Bamford10

Charlie predictably with no counterarguments and nothing of value to add.

champagne charlie

Banford

You don’t process counter arguments, you stick to a narrative and just rehash it. Throw in the fact Kroenkes “only mistake was giving Wenger a new deal, the rest is Wenger’s fault”… haven’t see you write that for a few days.

Elmo

To clarify on the 4th place thing, for Spuds to finish 4th and not qualify for the CL:
– Liverpool have to finish outside the top 4
– Liverpool have to win the CL
– Arsenal have to win the EL

In other words it’s essentially an impossibility, as Liverpool aren’t going to finish outside the top 4, let alone both the other events also happening.

HillWood

This may sound a tad weird but I actually want Arsenal to win every competition they’re in
But as always
Wenger Out

Victorious

“This may sound a tad weird but I actually want Arsenal to win every competition they’re in
But as always
Wenger Out”

I can assure you mate there is nothing ‘weird’ in there,actually it’s what any ‘proper’ Arsenal fan would want

champagne charlie

Hillwood

The fact that could appear weird on here says a lot about some of the posters lol

Victorious

“The fact that could appear weird on here says a lot about some of the posters lol”

exactly lol

Leedsgunner

This may sound a tad weird but I actually want Arsenal to win every competition they’re in
But as always
Wenger Out

This sums up how I feel.

azed

Lets hope what Josh Kronke just did in Denver is repeated in London.

steve

You can’t want Arsenal to win every competition and also want Wenger out. That idea is flawed. A manager who wins games will not get sacked or resign.

Victorious

wouldn’t get my hopes up if anything fruitful will come out from Josh supposed visit to London,he gave a quite vaguely and disappointing interview that made it more abundantly clear he was in London for ‘sight seeing’

Guns of SF

Steve I get your point but some on here want us to lose thinking that it will force Wenger out. We have seen that idea not work…. however- being a fan of Arsenal not Arsene is still valid. I also feel pissed or hurt when we lose. I know we can do better and also wish Wenger would leave or get fired. The lads on the pitch try their best the majority of the time so hard to fault them … some are just not good enough though. All in all comes down to Arsenal rebuilding from the inside out… Read more »

Dissenter

Diego Costa appears to have taken a knock on his hamstring and may not be fit enough to face us.

Never mind that we have to still content with Greizmann/Correa/Gramiero and Fernando Torres
Then you have to factor in some of their excellent midfield players like Saul, Koke, Saul, Carrasco and Gaitan.

It’s a long shot.

HillWood

Steve
I have supported Arsenal FC all my life
That pre dates
The internet
Sky Sports
The Premier League
The Champions League
Arsène Wenger
So please don’t tell me what I can and cannot want

Bob N16

Hillwood, completely echo your post.

Marc

Victorious

What do you expect him to say? I’m here to sack the manager? I’m here to over see the short list for Wenger’s replacement? The piss poor performances and empty seats are scaring the shit out of me and Dad and we’re worries we’ll see a 30% drop out on season ticket renewals?

Get a fucking grip, do you have the faintest on how people running large organisations operate?

David Smith

Amazing how often players supposedly not fit enough to,face,us rock up,and cause damage.
Laccazette saying winning the Europa league may help Wenger keep his job, I would take him as a true insider on this matter

Dissenter

Josh Kroenke said exactly what the chief confidant of the major shareholder ought to say; nothing.

Marc,
Ignore “victorious”
He thinks he’s the last standing goner, everyone else is not a pure fan like he is. He’s regarded as a pre-pubescent child who’s drifts in and out of attention trying to whip the blog in line behind Wenger.

mysticleaves

Reporter: “Arsene, thoughts on Liverpool’s success..” Wenger : “Well, errrr, they didn’t win the Premier league so they are not the best. Manchester City is the best, no?” Reporter: “Liverpool comfortably beat City across two legs, though. So technically they are?” Wenger: “When Leicester won the league we beat them twice. We did our job. The other teams didn’t do their job. We technically won the premier league. You people forget this. Respect me, please”. Reporter: “Wait, what?” Wenger: “Liverpool spent £75m on VVD. We have Chamber and Holding. People forget how young they both are. You must not forget… Read more »

PhD07

JAMES WOODApril 13, 2018 17:33:53 POST 17 23 48. “YOU AND YOUR LOT” TEDIOUS BORING REETITIVE. FROM MR SUBBUTEO. BANFORD GET A LIFE. BANFORD GET A LIFE. ——— I’ll think you will find it’s pretty non-existent for him. It’s pretty much confined to this blog,on here everyday-24/7.Picking nonsensical fights,remonstrating,running to the official(s)-(Pedro) for some action to be taken,if any arguments run counter to his..i.e.banning,or waging bets to be off the blog for a year. Stating opinions as facts and just being a general A1 douchebag. Quite bizarre behaviour,if you ask me.Putting it politely. On another note-would be quite interesting to… Read more »

Thanos

I have to agree with bamfords points

steve

@HillWood

I’m sorry but your logic is flawed. It is what it is. You’re just gonna have to make up your mind on this one. Either you want Wenger to stay or you don’t and that means sacrificing results.

Thanos

HillWoodApril 13, 2018 20:46:55
Steve
I have supported Arsenal FC all my life
That pre dates
The internet
Sky Sports
The Premier League
The Champions League
Arsène Wenger
So please don’t tell me what I can and cannot want

Have to agree and put in I also predate all of those and George graham I remember Liam bradys first season.God I am getting old

Thanos

Steve even if we lost every game until the end of the season I still think he would stay the ego on him is amazing

PhD07

Not sure why Zizou,is not getting the credit he deserves. It’s rare for a player that has won all the majors as a player-EC,WC,League Trophies,etc,etc..To translate that into one’s managerial career and win 2CL Back-2-Back’s,with a possible third in the pipeline.Plus a La Liga amongst other accolades,all within a 2.5 year period. I just think that’s an incredible feat. I mentioned a few years back,this is one guy-I’d love at Arsenal. He commands respect and he seems to be able to galvanise a team full of egos to perform for him over a period of time. How did Mourinho do,at… Read more »

champagne charlie

“I’m sorry but your logic is flawed. It is what it is. You’re just gonna have to make up your mind on this one. Either you want Wenger to stay or you don’t and that means sacrificing results” There’s no flawed logic, you’re the one operating on a made up premise. Absolutely no evidence that sacrificing results leads to change at Arsenal, we finished outside the top 4 last season (worst in 20 years) and Wenger was offered a two-year deal. How about you evolve enough to understand it’s entirely possible for people to support the teams success, and want… Read more »

HillWood

Steve
Ok mate
If you say so

HillWood

Charlie
I know Patrick Reed ain’t popular but after 4 rounds at Augusta he totally deserved his win
Hope you enjoyed it as much as I did

HighburyLegend

“Never mind that we have to still content with Greizmann/Correa/Gramiero and Fernando Torres”
@Dissenter: why worry ?? Our goalkeeper is world class !!
(lol)

alexanderhenry

Yes, arsenal are in crisis and yes our illustrious owner is aware of it. What does he do? He sends his son over to sort things out- obviously it’s not a big enough crisis for him to appear personally. This is what we got from young Josh: ‘We have a saying over at Arsenal, victory through harmony. ‘I think that victory through harmony can take a lot of different meanings, but for me victory through harmony comes from communication. ‘You got to have open and honest dialogue about the reality that we are on because if we are sugar coating… Read more »

Champagne charlie

Hillwood

I think Patrick’s cockiness gets overstated personally, he’s a pretty decent guy it seems to me. Deserved the jacket without question, superb stuff.

Very entertaining Sunday I thought, poor from Rory, good from Rick, almost great from Jordan. Thoroughly enjoyed it!

ArseneisaFraud

Taken from SSN Paper Talk quoting the DT:

Arsene Wenger is expected to remain as Arsenal manager beyond this season if the Gunners manage to make it to the Europa League final.

http://www.skysports.com/football/transfer-paper-talk

If that’s how high the bar is set at The Arsenal, well fuck me for falling off my chair at being dismayed at how “high” the bar is being set at the club.

Now it would be hilarious if this was said before the draw. That being said, will they actually uphold their own KPI?

PhD07

What a sad day on the political front.

PhD07

Why&what for?

Akilan

Dissenter,
Carrasco and Gaitan are playing in China mate. Atletico sold them in January I think.

Diego Costa is out with a hammy last Thursday. My guess is they won’t risk him for the first leg. Juan Fran I think is out. Lucas Hernandez, their best defender is unfit right now. He may not be fully fit when he comes back/may be a bit ring rusty.

Importantly as of now, they’ve got only 13 fit first teamers. We just may face them at the best time ever in the last five years.

Akilan

Guillem Ballague said atletico have problems facing set pieces at both ends. He also said their squad is super tired and injuries aren’t making it any easier.

Considering we’ve been good at set pieces recently, could Monreal have a say?

Akilan

It’s Felipe Luis not Juanfran, their other full back is out injured. Lucas Hernandez, who filled in for him got substituted at half time at Lisbon.

Samesong

Akilan

Wow could easy Carrasco playing for a top team and he’s gone to China. Money talks.

Samesong

See*

Michael24

You know what they say –

“Like father, like son”

What a load of jackass bullshit.

“Victory through harmony” what the fuck is he on about?

Victory through committment.
Victory through effort.
Victory through desire.
Victory through belief.
Victory through trust.
Victory through intelligence.
Victory through leadership.

Now that’s far more relevant.

Ah well, who cares what Josh says, at least we have a manager in place who can deliver all of these essential components.

Over to you Arsene!!!!!

alexanderhenry

I think that’s it for arsenal in the Europa.
In a final we would have had a chance against athletico, but over two legs I just don’t see it.

As soon as we get knocked out, everyone in the press and punditry will switch to wenger in, wenger out mode.

The club will respond with silence or standard gazidis style, non committal gobbledegook.

This will drag on until the end of season boring everyone to tears and driving arsenal fans insane with frustration.

What a great time to be an arsenal fan

Dissenter

Akilan
Thanks for the correction
I have to admit that I haven’t seen Atletico play that mush this season
They aren’t the team they used to be though since they are playing in the Europa like us. They would have qualified out of that CL group 2-3 seasons ago.

Dissenter

I don’t think it’s a foregone conclusion that Atletico will beat us. We have the capacity to go on a run that can “rescue the season”. It’s just THREE massive performances that’s required but the manager has to decide to forget about 6th place and start to fully rest key players for the Europa league. That means he has to start playing peripheral players. I doubt Wenger will do this because he’s just 1-2 losses away from talk of another crises. He’s a walking carcass at the moment. The vultures aren’t just circling, they are already snipping away at his… Read more »

Dissenter

Danny Welbeck has won two consecutive games so it’s right to start to wrap him in some cotton wool.
Is he the player in the form of his life?

Pierre

No premier-league title race No fight for the top 4 Sky sports have turned to relegation issues and the race for the championship (2nd division) to stimulate interest. BT still have great interest in Europe to promote.. Liverpool and Arsenal may go all the way. The title race must be more competitive next season. The past few games have shown that city are vulnerable and can be beaten so hopefully we will see a real fight for the title. Can’t see Arsenal being a serious contender unless we sort the midfield out.. Our attacking options are looking pretty good… Aubameyang,… Read more »

loyika

Bamford will always go with his “its all on Wenger” narrative whenever Stan’s name is mentioned in the mix. Don’t expect him to change now.

With AM its a 40/60% chance. They are not as great as we are making them look. (if they were they would not have dropped out of the UCL)

The main issues we have is our shoddy defence, but attack wise we can match them. (and with Costa probably out, better them)

Eitherways, bring it on. To paraphrase Dolph in Rocky – “If he (the team) dies he dies!!”

James wood

phD07
Re Spurs – Man City.
Strange the game has not been re scheduled
Fans on the juice all day and the problem of away fans getting home.?
Especially after the Man City coach incident.
I would imagine City would like to get this done but I am going for a
Spurs 2-1win.
Really surprised Auguero did not play midweek he must be crocked.
And he might have been more potent.

Hi Berry

Michael 24:

Victoria Concordia Crescit……..it’s on the badge, or used to be anyway when tradition counted for something.

Apologies if you already knew this.

Michael24

Was listening to Perry Groves yesterday morning on the radio harping on about Arsenal and the fans disrespectful attitudes towards Arsene Wenger. Now we all know that the red haired ‘Ginga’ is a cult hero, not a great footballer, but a genuine cult hero. His book – We all live in a Perry Groves world – made excellent reading. We all got a copy when we renewed our memberships several years back. Do you all remember? The thing is, we all know that PG, like so many others, has had the luxury of being entwined in the social and financial… Read more »

alexanderhenry

Hi Berry

‘victory grows through harmony ‘.

Yes, it is in fact the arsenal motto and not one of the most inspiring.

JAMES WOOD

Exactly AlexH

I have never seen such a divided -confused Fanbase.

Dissenter

Wenger needs to save the club by walking away. His presence is exactly is dividing our fan base now. Take for example, Jack Wilshere. We need someone to make an unimpassioned decision about him. We all know that person not be Wenger. At the last minute, Arsenal will fold at Wenger’s strident insistence, We will up the offer on the table and Jack will stay…only to break down next season again. He’s not the player that was promised when he was 17 years old. He’s been reduced by the repeated injuries to a clumsy and un-athletic midfielder. We can’t go… Read more »

alexanderhenry

Dissenter I’d be pretty shocked if we got through. It’s the way we’ve been playing lately. There appears to be no shape to the side at all. We do pose a threat going forward, albeit it in a shambolic, panicky sort of way. But the midfield has no steel in it all. None of are midfielders seem willing or capable of defending. Also there’s no genuine width apart from bellerin who I’d rather didn’t play. Finally the defence is weak. A combination of old age and inexperience. Athletico I assume are still very solid at the back. They are definitely… Read more »