Arsenal vs Southampton – everything is a bit ‘meh’

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A bit of a nothing game against Southampton today. It’s at home, where we’re unbeaten in 22 games against them. They are also very deep in a relegation battle.

That said, Arsenal are having big problems focusing when games don’t matter. Burnley are right up our backsides again, with just 2 points in it (they have played one more games than us), so if we don’t want further humiliation, it’d make sense for us to try and create some daylight.

The Southampton story is an interesting one this year. They’ve relied heavily on their neverending supply of talented kids, along with their keen eye for scouting to see them through absolutely brutal summers. That strategy isn’t a long-term one, and this year, it initially seemed like they’d hired poorly, but now it just looks like they sold too many players and recruited badly. Puel went to Leicester and they’re having a solid season (despite losing to Newcastle yesterday), whilst the Saints flirt hard with relegation.

The game also carries a pointless milestone for us… if we win, it’d take our win total at the Emirates to 150. What a moment, bust me out a party popper and let’s celebrate with an expensive pint of Carlsberg.

Injury news is Mikki will not be making it, due to an injury on Thursday. Ospina wouldn’t be making it anyway, but he’s also injured. Southampton are missing Lemina, a player linked with us last year.

I’m hoping to see another rampaging Aaron Ramsey game. His season is looking like a fine one. As much as I love watching him devastate shite teams, I really think we should be looking to sell him in the summer at top whack. Replace him with someone who can maintain fitness all the time. I know that’s not a popular opinion, but I do think the fanbase are desperate to grab onto anything, and I’m just not quite sure I’m a believer.

No doubt in a smarter system, we’d get to see his true potential. If the Welshman has any sense, he’ll flee Arsenal if Wenger is offered a new deal. There is no excuse for wasting your prime years under the failing Frenchman, unless of course no one else will give you the money you want… then you’re not really in it for the right reasons. So whatever.

Right, that’s me done. Enjoy the game, we’ll be recording a podcast for your ears on Monday morning.

SEE YOU IN THE COMMENTS.

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  1. Paulinho

    Nelson already plays like he’s been ‘Wengered’, so can’t imagine how shit he would be if he played regularly.

  2. Zfree

    I’m not saying Nelson brought much of anything to the match, and shoulda been first subbed off definitely. But why for jack??

  3. Dissenter

    Wilshere isn’t that great what all is said and done.
    He plays most of the games on his arse. He’s slow and just too ponderous.

  4. Marko

    Charlie Austin always scores against Arsenal? Shane Long in dire need of a goal? We’ve got you covered

  5. ArseneisaFraud

    Marko

    That’s the million dollar question isn’t it

    It is. And that’s what does my head in.

  6. useroz

    With so much junk on the pitch wot cud we expect?? Iwobi, welbeck, wilshere, elneny,

    Look at welneck. Ffs.

  7. ArseneisaFraud

    Tony

    2020… that makes things a bit better….

    And Welbz misses a helluva fucking sitter…. so very Welbeck.

  8. Arsene's Nurse

    Welbeck = donkey. The most unnatural striker since the coconut chaser. He just cannot kick a football properly.

  9. Dissenter

    Mental strength, I guess from Welbz. Still doesn’t excuse that miss.
    Iwobi’s cross was excellent.

  10. steve

    So annoying no matter how shit we are there will always be enough teams that are just a tad bit shitter to save Wenger.

  11. useroz

    Wot a great performance against an outstanding club with history and all, though temporarily close to being relegated.

  12. ArseneisaFraud

    Tony

    but 3 year deal for Wellwide now

    Of course. A yes man deserves his pay rise doesn’t he?

  13. useroz

    Exciting and edge of seat stuff we are playing

    Big thank you to Wenger for treating us all to such a tight game…not easy considering we are playing against a team close to being relegated.

    Btw the Welbeck miss is better than any CB clearance seen for awhile with Laca poised for a lap in…

  14. Marko

    Nah Welbeck shouldn’t be at a top 5 club.

    Wilshere shouldn’t be at a top 10 club. Fucking dumbshit player not worth the trouble

  15. Dissenter

    Wilshere was pathetic and thuggish there.
    He never let go of the short even when they play was dead.

    He’s the cause of the row. He’s the reason why Elneny was sent off.

    Wishere needs to fuc* off.

  16. useroz

    Wilshere should just Fuck off. Rubbish player done nothing and causing all the trouble

    Elneny off too. Another fucking idiot

  17. Bamford10

    Mustafi’s positioning could be improved with better coaching, but his decision-making might be beyond remedy. Watch their first goal again: no good defender waits for his keeper to make a play on that ball; you clear the ball yourself. Maybe, possibly, his lack of assertiveness there is down to the lax atmosphere created by Wenger, but that is not the decision or mentality of a quality CB.

  18. Dissenter

    Jack should have been sent off there. If he had stayed in the floor after the push then fine but the idiot jumped right back in the Southampton player’s face.
    Jackass Wilshere.

  19. Bamford10

    Wilshere was finished some time ago. False dawn a few months back. Wilshere out.

    New GK. New CB. New CDM. New manager.

  20. Frankie Coffeecakes

    Take the three points and run for the hills. That was honestly a very poor performance from Arsenal. Southampton deserved more for that effort.

    As for Jack Wilshere – fucking worthless punk. Deserved a Red for that shirt grab and tear, but the Referee was useless pretty much all match. Again, take the three, its a steal.

  21. ArseneisaFraud

    Re Wilshere: I believed he could get back to the level he was but that 2 year stint out of the game has totally killed off his instincts.

  22. Dissenter

    We should drop the offer on the table for Wilshere down further to make sure that he gets offended and walks away.

    That should have just been a professional foul to break up play, grab thew shirt and fucking let it go.
    Instead Jack attempted to disrobe the player.
    I don’t blame the Southampton player, the natural instinct is to challenge anyone that challenges you in a disrespectful manner.

  23. Champagne Charlie

    Banford

    Didn’t see the stats you went to get yesterday about Ramsey from last season mate?

    Odd that..

  24. Bamford10

    “Welbeck with the most confusing performance of the season? Was he great/lucky/poor? All three?” – @WengerOutBot

  25. Marko

    It’s funny that Wenger thinks we’re actually in good form while we’re playing shocking stuff honestly. Bar like 4 games this season we’ve been bad to unconvincing

  26. Bob

    If xhaka did what the English cheat wilshere did the media would be all over him. Give him a new contract and make him captain??

  27. Bamford10

    Charlie

    He was out most of last season with a hamstring issue. When he did return for a bit in the second half of the season (13 games) he was solid, including his excellent performance in the FAC final. I don’t have to spend my free time chasing down stats for you; his pass completion was 88% in the PL, which is pretty damn good for a box-to-box CM.

    He’s going to get a new contract — as he deserves — and all this discussion will be moot.

    Ramsey has been excellent this season in every respect, including in disciplined positional play — see both AC Milan matches — which was the biggest mark against him.

    I don’t really see any need to continue the discussion. You can carry on if you like.

    However, I feel like a guy (you) who thinks Xhaka is as good an athlete as Fernandinho or who thinks AMN is ready to be our starting RB or who thought last summer that Wenger was still capable of winning titles has a bit more work to do than a guy (me) who thinks Ramsey is worth keeping in the squad.

    To each his own, I guess.

  28. steve

    @Marko

    It’s just Wenger doing his usual buy some more time routine. He’s trying to change the narrative to the season. He knows he can go on a run here against a bunch of bad teams to finish the season. He’s trying to make it out that he’s doing a fantastic job.

  29. Bamford10

    Opinions on Welbeck / the tweet re Welbeck above? I feel like this has at least a chance of dividing opinion here.

  30. Marko

    his pass completion was 88% in the PL, which is pretty damn good for a box-to-box CM

    Not a box to box midfielder.

    Ramsey has been excellent this season in every respect, including in disciplined positional play — see both AC Milan matches — which was the biggest mark against him.

    Sure he has been. Probably half a dozen games where he’s been cluelessly caught out of position but of course you’ll mention the FA Cup final and the Milan games. I suggest in the future when you criticise someone for foolishly rating Xhaka all the time remember you do the same thing with Ramsey.

  31. Bamford10

    One, please cite these many games and moments when Ramsey was “cluelessly” out of position to the detriment of the team. We would all like to review and scrutinize these.

    Two, if he’s not a box-to-box midfielder at Arsenal, what is he?

    (Note that Wenger has often played Wilshere or Ozil in front of Ramsey and another CM, thereby eliminating the possibility that Ramsey was being played as a CAM. Note, further, that it is obvious Wenger expects Ramsey to get forward in his assigned role and not simply hold, thereby eliminating the possibility that he is playing him as a purely holding mid.)

    Thus, how is Ramsey being deployed? Mostly as a B2B CM.

  32. Paulinho

    Someone like Ruben Neves is a player we should be looking at. A deep-lying passer that is actually a good at passing.

    Again today,Xhaka tries these ambitious long passes and it’s tumbleweed every time. An awkward silence just descends on the Emirates when he tries to use the laces to pick someone out.

  33. Paulinho

    Lampard told the Evening Standard: ‘I’m an admirer of Aaron Ramsey and Arsenal must try to secure his long-term future at the club. ‘Ramsey has just over a year left on his contract and once again Arsenal have got themselves in a position where one of their key player’s deals is running out.

    ‘It will probably come as no surprise to people that I like Ramsey. Like me, he makes late runs in the penalty area and he showed that with aplomb for the second goal at AC Milan last week. ‘One wonders if he’s ever felt he’s the main man at Arsenal and that’s maybe why he might consider looking elsewhere. ‘I feel some sympathy for him because his position has changed over the years at the club. Sometimes, because they’ve had so many attacking midfielders, he’s been dropped further back. ‘On the other hand, I accept there maybe doubts over whether he performs consistently enough ‘He is class when at his best and I do feel there is another level for him to strive for. He showed great quality at the 2016 European Championships. ‘Arsenal need to keep their good British players and build the team around them, with more strength and power as a priority.’

  34. Champagne Charlie

    Banford

    I didn’t ask you to go get stats, you stated you were going to get back to me with stats that showed Ramsey wasn’t “largely ineffectual” last season as I had stated.

    I said as much based on what I’d seen, then when I saw he’d mad 13 starts in the league scoring 1 goal and getting 4 assists it made a lot of sense to me.

    You then argued and said goals/assists don’t tell the whole story and that Ramsey was really good the other side of play defensively last season. I don’t remember that being the case, and when I looked at more basic stats and showed you that he averaged 0.9 tackles per game and 0.5 interceptions per game last season you again said those stats don’t tell it all and thus said you’d be back after looking at some games/stats from last season.

    My guess is you saw he was exactly as I stated last season (largely ineffectual), but being Banford you decided to avoid a continuation in the debate instead of saying ‘actually I was wrong’.

    Now you’re talking about there being no mandate for you to get me stats blah blah when I never even asked for them. I also didn’t say Wenger could win titles again or that AMN was ready to be or first choice RB. Whether Xhaka is athletic as Fernandinho is certainly up for debate given your idea of athleticism – you say Ramsey is our most athletic CM after all.

    So all in all, how about you drop the histrionics and be a big boy for a change. Still lying through your teeth and spitting the dummy when challenged, good god grow up you fuckwit.

  35. Wenker-wanger

    Beating Southampton…a nailed-on relegated team this season isn’t anything to crow about. Wenger presides over another win. It sickens me to think that these insignificant victories will help him argue the case for yet another disgusting extension to his contract. It’s likely arsenal will finish 6th, but finish strong in the Europa cup. This will be enough to get this leech off the hook. It’s fckin depressing…..I wish this cnut would just retire and fck off to France.

  36. Bamford10

    Charlie

    Nope. Not what happened. What I did see is that he was out much of the year with a hamstring issue.

    His stats for the games he did play are quite solid. Ramsey is a CM and should be assessed as that. Goals and assists are something of a bonus for a player that plays the role he plays for us.

    As someone who was long critical of Ramsey for his Hollywood antics and pointless backheels to no one, what I remember from his play last season ( when he returned from injury) is that he had eliminated this bullshit and had simplified his game. This pleased me and I said so.

    If the result was tidy passing displays from him with fewer fireworks, so be it; that’s precisely what we needed from him.

    Of course you want to turn this into a “show me a stat” thing, as do a number of other people here who imagine the game or a player or a performance can be reduced to or understood solely in terms of stats. It can’t — none of that can — and one must also use one’s eyes and qualitative sense of the game to assess this or that player.

    I am quite comfortable saying that Aaron Ramsey, having eliminated some of the excesses in his game, is a quality footballer whom I think we should sign to a new contract.

    You’re free to disagree.

  37. Champagne Charlie

    “Of course you want to turn this into a “show me a stat” thing, as do a number of other people here who imagine the game or a player or a performance can be reduced to or understood solely in terms of stats. It can’t — none of that can — and one must also use one’s eyes and qualitative sense of the game to assess this or that player.“

    I literally just stated I DIDN’T ask for any stats on ramsey, it was you that said you’d be back with some stats on him to argue my comment that he was “largely ineffectual” last season.
    ——-
    Bamford10April 7, 2018 19:13:40
    Champagne
    Four stats tell one very little. I’ll take a look at some of his other numbers and some specific matches and get back to you. In the meantime let’s remenber that he played well and scored the winning goal in the FAC final against Chelsea. Guardian article below.
    ———

    You talk absolute bullshit and churn out lie after lie. It’s actually pathetic. You’d think your recent history on here would’ve gone some way to showing you how to interact on a platform like this.

  38. Wenker-wanger

    Ramsey IS A VERY GOOD PLAYER,,,the arguments about him on legrove rate on and on. One fact that is “missing” from the debate is that Ramsey is playing for Wenger.
    In my opinion Ramsey would be likely to produce twice as much goals/assists with a better manager. Those negative aspects to his game would get taken out as well.
    For me, like lampard says, Ramsey is a vital part of arsenal’s near future.

  39. Emiratesstroller

    If there are strong grounds to sack Wenger and the Coaching staff at Arsenal it is the performance of our defence and goalkeeper.

    Most average Managers and Coaches would devote time sorting out our defence. Yet year in and year out we see the same performance level whoever is
    being recruited.

    It is really time that the club recognises that the problem is not just down to
    playing personnel but the manager.

    We have played two home games against relegation opposition and could have easily lost both.

  40. steve

    @Wenker-wanger

    Wenger has been doing this shit for years. Win a bunch of meaningless games at the end of the season against shit teams to give the impression that he’s doing a good job and thus should get another contract. Disgusting man.

  41. Wenker-wanger

    Emirates, agree…..in fact I spoke to a guy whose son works at arsenal…said bould wanted the defense to coach himself, but Wenger refused saying we all train together. That control-freak mentality and stubborn arrogance is just one reason in many to rage against this fraud.

  42. Pierre

    Paulinho
    “Lampard told the Evening Standard: ‘I’m an admirer of Aaron Ramsey and Arsenal must try to secure his long-term future at the club”

    Interesting…it’s nice of lampard to have arsenals long term interest at heart …but I don’t buy it from him.

    He hates Arsenal ,always has done and always will do…..

    He would never suggest anything that is to the benefit of Arsenal so I would take it with a pinch of salt and tell him to stick his opinion when the sun don’t shine…

  43. Pierre

    Stroller
    “Most average Managers and Coaches would devote time sorting out our defence. Yet year in and year out we see the same performance level whoever is
    being recruited.”

    I agree ,we look vulnerable whoever we play against .

    On Thursday in Moscow we could be in for a hard time in defence as they have a big lump of a centre forward who got the better of kosielny and mustafi last Thursday. If cska play a more direct game then we should bring in Rob Holding,who I regard as our strongest defender, and put him on their centre forward.

  44. PhD07

    Bamford10April 8, 2018 16:03:31
    One, please cite these many games and moments when Ramsey was “cluelessly” out of position to the detriment of the team. We would all like to review and scrutinize these.
    ————–

    Look to the last decade-dick head..

  45. PhD07

    Champagne CharlieApril 8, 2018 16:57:08
    You talk absolute bullshit and churn out lie after lie. It’s actually pathetic. You’d think your recent history on here would’ve gone some way to showing you how to interact on a platform like this.

    ====================

    It’s the usual with him(Bastardford)..It’s never ending with him.

    Just watch the misrepresentation(lies) that spews forth..

    The devil’s spawn on form.,on time, spinning, twisting and convoluting every tawdry web of deceit.

  46. HillWood

    At least they had a man on the post for corners today.
    How long has it taken them to work that one out ?

  47. Ishola70

    What’s the problem?

    The finishing above Chelsea trophy is still on.

    New four year contract for Wenger if that occurs.

  48. Ishola70

    Emiratesstroller
    “If there are strong grounds to sack Wenger and the Coaching staff at Arsenal it is the performance of our defence and goalkeeper.Most average Managers and Coaches would devote time sorting out our defence. Yet year in and year out we see the same performance level whoever is
    being recruited.”

    Wenger has always been in the entertainment business and he has never hidden this fact. And he is cherished for his philosophy.

    Wenger’s mantra:

  49. Michael24

    Redtruth

    100% agree!

    Wenger has absolutely no concept of the ART OF DEFENDING.

    It was the players own experiences and knowledge that glossed over his successes between 1996-2004.

    The guy is a joke and a fraud and how the fuck anyone can defend him just beggars belief.

    He is lost up his own backside.

  50. Michael24

    Ishola70

    “Wenger has always been in the entertainment business”.

    Mainly a COMEDY OF ERRORS over these past ten years.

  51. UTarse

    I saw more potential in 15 minutes of rob holding today than I’ve ever seen of Callum chambers in an Arsenal shirt. What a calamity our defence is.

  52. Guns of Brixton

    Napoli

    What a way to win. 1 0 for 20 mins 2 goals late late ( 89 and 90+3 )on keep their Serie A dream alive.

    Poor Chievo

  53. PhD07

    Yeah, somebody got free to spout the usual daily nonsense.

    How’s “NEYMARGATE” ?

    The mother of all total f**k up’s on Le-Grove..
    Classic..Epic…Unrivalled..

  54. Akilan

    I’ve watched the Elneny red several times and I think all he tried to do was waste a bit of time by arguing about the spot from which the free kick should be taken. Cedric pushes him and shields the ball from him and try to take the free kick quickly. Elneny then pushes him in the shoulder/neck and get shoved by two saints’ players in the scramble, which happens in every fucking game. Unless he uttered some expletives to the ref(which I doubt from his body language), the decision to give a red to him was laughable. He has never been sent off before in his entire career.

    He didn’t try to be the hard man, which Jack played to perfection to get their player sent off. I get it he goes a bit OTT on twitter and gets mocked for it but the guy genuinely loves the club. Signs an extension knowing he’ll be on the bench through out his Arsenal career. And more importantly works his arse off every single time he walks into the pitch. You can question his talent, but not his work rate, desire and loyalty.

    Compare him with a certain Jack Wilshere who is paraded by some as a gooner through and through and is the epitome of pashun & loyalty, doesn’t run much and is more interested in protecting his body than the lead. Doesn’t sign a contract which he thinks is beneath him, having done sweet FA through out his entire career apart from few games here & there. Today he was awful apart from the welbeck miss and I absolutely detest his role in that red card fiasco. Nowadays he just behaves like a cunt and offers nothing on & off the field. Please let him go we don’t want him anymore.

  55. London gunner

    Jack’s shot to pieces as a footballer. Wouldn’t be suprised if he goes into early retirement at some point or ends in a lower team and even then playing from the bench.

    Was a never a big fan of Jack, but I can admit back in the day he had good dribbling skills and agility coupled that with a low centre of gravity. Never had pace but had enough acceleration like a young cazorla or an isco to beat his man.

    Now with all the injuries he is incredibly slow and lethargic, everytime he trys to beat his man he fails and loses possession or dispossessed. His body is no longer performing for him.

    Some might say OK he has lost his pace but that’s no excuse as he is lazy and so static that he doesnt get about the pitch enough, I don’t think he can at this point. His body looks like it can’t maintain the constant movement. I see him rub his ankles and look in pain every match. He might be having a period of time without major injuries but I think his body is still ruined at this point.

    Jack’s strong point was his mobility and his ability to translate play from defence to attack he was supposed to be a box to box player once it was established he didn’t have the vision or play making ability of a cam. Since he no longer can move he can’t be a box to box and doesn’t have the passijg ability and brain to play a Pirlo, Alonso or even a Carrick role.

    The guys done.

  56. Bamford10

    Champagne

    “[You] churn out lie after lie …”

    Get a grip, mate. Otherwise you too might soon be in need of a straight-jacket. I’ve never lied here even once. You’re just frustrated and confused. Yeah, I said I’d look into some numbers of Ramsey’s from 16-17. I did, and I’ve summarized what I found there above. If you want more research than that, do it yourself.

    None of it will change the fact that Ramsey is a good footballer whom Arsenal would be wise to sign to a new contract.

    As for previous disputes here, the most important thing they’ve taught me is that certain people here are petty, spite-filled, childish, unreasonable, unfriendly and irrational. That is all.

  57. Champagne Charlie

    “Get a grip, mate. Otherwise you too might soon be in need of a straight-jacket. I’ve never lied here even once.”

    Except you stated the following just earlier:

    “However, I feel like a guy (you) who thinks Xhaka is as good an athlete as Fernandinho or who thinks AMN is ready to be our starting RB or who thought last summer that Wenger was still capable of winning titles”

    I didn’t say AMN was ready to be our starting RB and I didn’t say Wenger was still capable of winning titles like you’ve said about a dozen times.

    So you absolutely are a liar, and a shit one at that. Everyone can see it on here, it’s embarrassing how you deny fact time and again.

    Your Ramsey patter was laughable, you’ve claimed he was quality last season because he had a good cup final and a pass completion of 88% for the season. Your credibility as a poster is in the toilet.

  58. englandsbest

    A shame about Jack. Probably the most promising home-grown player since Ashley Cole, it seems that bad injuries have slowed him to a snail’s pace, his legs pump like mad but he scarcely moves. How did he get the injuries? Recklessness, always diving in. A good manager would have calmed him down, protected him. Instead Arsene promised him he would be Arsenal skipper one day.

    Sadly, we saw another very promising youngster who has not improved. Reiss Nelson sparkled like a diamond on tour, today he was as dull as ditch-water. A magical ability to go past players (as a winger should) has been drained from him. But then what winger would thrive with Bellerin taking up his space?Wenger’s faith in overlapping backs must be one of his core ‘values’.

  59. Bamford10

    Champagne

    Actually, you said both of those things. Now you’re just denying things you’ve plainly said, and not for the first time.

    You’re not even honest with yourself, guy.

  60. Champagne Charlie

    Banford

    No I didn’t, you’re doing your standard misrepresentation in an attempt to undermine another poster.

    I can state exactly what I said and the context in which I said it. So quote me or shut the fuck up, that simple. Nobody believes a word you type.

    Keep digging that hole dickhead.

  61. Bamford10

    Poor Charlie.

    If you can tell us exactly what you said, guy, then why don’t you do so?

    Could it be because you know very well that you said (in so many words) precisely what I’ve said you said?

    Yeah, that’s exactly why you don’t just state what you said, Charlie.

    As for quotes, I’ll let you waste time and energy chasing those down, thanks.

  62. Champagne Charlie

    Banford

    I’ve stated what I said re: Wenger, and the context, multiple times. You continue to ignore and speak your own shit days later, so what’s the point rehashing?

    There’s no “us” I need to tell, you’re the only moron that can’t absorb what I said and insist on preaching falsehoods in some lame attempt to discredit my point of view.

    I’m also not about to dig up quotes from the summer because you’re too stupid to comprehend written English. Continue your petty nonsense, just expect me to correct you and highlight your lies every time they concern me.

    Ok dickhead? 🙂

  63. Guns of SF

    Why is it that wenger never stands up in matches to try and yell instructions! He truly is a limp dick!

    Looks like he is taking a constipated shit on the bench

  64. Bamford10

    Actually, Charlie, Marko also called you out on your bullshit attempt to deny you claimed Wenger was still capable of winning titles. And quoted you.

    And everyone else here knows you said this as well. They just can’t be bothered to comment on it.

    But you keep lying to yourself, guy.

  65. post rocky dave

    What was Welbeck doing trying to deflect a bouncing ball into the net (albeit from one yard) when an unmarked teammate was behind him?

    The guy simply hasn’t the skill to attempt such a feat. He’s a liability.

  66. PhD07

    Bamford10April 8, 2018 21:40:26
    I’ve never lied here even once.
    —————–
    The devil’s spawn.His work is never done or complete.Always spinning his web of deceit..

    ‘Let’s talk again about Neymar when he shows up in a big game against the best players. I have yet to see that.’

    “The Neymar I’ve seen is very talented, but when things get difficult and everyone on the field is world class and up for a battle, he fades.”

    “Actually, I never belittled him and never said he had no impact in big games. You need to read more carefully.”

    “Has anyone shown that he was the decisive factor in a big match against a world class team? ”
    “Right. He hasnt. Your list doesn’t demonstrate that. Sorry”

    “None of that is “belittling” him. I just don’t think he has shown he’s that player yet. Because he hasn’t. When Brazil win a WC semi or final because of Neymar, we can talk; when PSG win a CL semi or final because of Neymar, we can talk. Hasn’t happened. He’s crazy talented, but that doesn’t mean he’s that player.”

    “What I said was that he hasn’t demonstrated that he can lead a team to victory on the highest stage, in the biggest games.”

    “Bamford, bruh what’re you ultimately trying to establish here? That Neymar isn’t Messi, Ronaldo level?”

    “And by the way, Rambo has just told us that the point I have been making all along is obvious to all. That’s interesting.”

    “Except for the fact that what you have just said was never the argument you dishonest chancer, this is YOUR quote which sparked the argument-
    ”Let’s talk again about Neymar when he shows up in a big game against the best players. I have yet to see that.”Embarrassing, try again.
    ——————-

    The devil’s spawn..His work is never done.Spinning his web of deceit.-24/7.
    He has never lied once on here.Never ever…lol
    Watch out for him.. 🙂

  67. PhD07

    Michael24April 9, 2018 06:00:40
    PhD07BLOODY HELL, we’re not back to that again are we?!?
    ============
    No,just that he said-I’ve never lied here even once.”

    Just disproving that statement.

    Cheers 🙂