Danny W makes accidental slip count for once| #WengerComeBack is on!

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If you believe in karma or accurate journalism, you have to be laughing at Milan’s demise last night. La Gazzetta dello Sport wrote of Danny Welbeck before the first leg:

“If a player has ever summed up Arsenal itself, it’s Welbeck. He is capable of doing something really good, then falling over on his own and ending up face to the ground.”

“New drinking game: drink every time Danny Welbeck falls” 

I hope the Italians were drunk on rage. Super Danny Welbeck dropped like a sack of Maris Pipers after barely being touched, giving Arsenal an instant reaction to a Calhanoglu long-range effort that had Milan 1 up. What made the uproar a bit fucking rich is this: Arsenal fans have been watching Danny Welbeck fall over unimpeded for 3 years. He’s so bad at standing up there are compilation videos of his best moments falling over.

It wasn’t a dive. It was just poor balance. Anyone who says otherwise just doesn’t understand the man, the myth, the legend. So fuck ’em.

Not that his fall was going to change the game. Milan were utter dross. Like I told you weeks before, the only difference between a Gattuso Milan and a Montella Milan is organisation. He has average players, he was never going to turn over Arsenal, regardless of how bad we’ve been… because we have much better talent.

I’m loving this result even more because of all the know it alls on Twitter giving me shit the whole way through this tie, calling me an uncultured fan. Bitch please, you can like Kevin Davies and be cultured. In the same way buying a plastic bag in Bergdorf Goodman doesn’t make you an elite style icon, watching Italian football won’t convince anyone you’re a connoisseur of the world game.

Italian football isn’t the rare Beluga caviar it was when we had to tune into C4 for a James Richardson special back in the day. The league is a Juventus feeder operation that can’t attract big crowds outside a few interesting games. The reason the Premier League is so dominant for TV is that it’s a better league, with better players, with better games. Pound for pound, we’d trounce Serie A. Calling yourself @LaRovesciataStronzo on Twitter won’t save your league or make anyone care about your snotty opinions.

ANYWAY, less about Italian fans, let’s talk about the game.

We stayed largely in control. I mean, Welbeck popped up with two goals and Xhaka forced a super weird error from Donnanruma with a long-range effort where the keeper ended up hashing the ball into his own net. He managed to palm a low shot to his left into the right corner. Terrible gaff for one of Europe’s young hotshots.

Talking of keepers, I’m not a fan of David Ospina, but what I do love is the pep in his step when he knows we can’t fuck up a result. He’s tipping over simple efforts, threading perfect over arm throws through the lines, just being an out and out character. I still think he was at fault for Milan’s first, but whatever, he’s just not that good.

Chambers had a good game at the back, everyone ticked over nicely, it was a cruise control kind of match. That’s 3 wins in a row for Wenger. I’m sure he’ll be hoping some of the fans make their way back into the stadium to make the rest of the season a little less embarrassing for him.

More good news for Wenger. This was the first time Arsenal has qualified out of the last 16 in Europe since 2010 when we went on to get knocked out by Barcelona when Robin was sent off for dissent. The manager refreshing his self-evaluation form as we speak, he’s only gone and done a progress! He certainly has a bit of a spring in his step in the post match prezzer.

“It’s much better. We needed that to recover from our results,”

“It shows how the team has responded. We had a difficult game but in the end we won it. If we have the results and the way to play football, the crowds will be behind us.”

To be fair, we still have an uphill battle if we’re to win the competition.

‘We would certainly want to avoid Atletico Madrid’

  • Atletico
  • Lazio
  • Sporting
  • Red Bull Leipzig
  • CSKA
  • Marseilles
  • Salzburg
  • Arsenal

I think I’d fancy us against the other teams, RB would give us a game, and maybe Lazio.

Anyway, the Wenger comeback tour continues! He’s going to do it again, isn’t he?

See you in the comments. x

 

 

513 Responses to “Danny W makes accidental slip count for once| #WengerComeBack is on!”

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  1. alexanderhenry

    ES

    Agreed on the need for a winger. I actually like Reece Nelson. I hope he gets some run outs before the end of the season.
    No harm in giving the kid a go.

  2. Emiratesstroller

    DivineSherlock

    Yes Aubameyang may well have been opportunistic, but I do think that Lacazette
    was already injured before we bought him.

    The club needed to make a decision on who was going to score goals once the
    decision was taken to sell Sanchez and Walcott in January.

  3. DivineSherlock

    Guns of Brixton

    Mourinho’s finished I believe , he already looks vulnerable right now. Has pissed off many players, if Chelsea hadnt made him a favor with Matic he wouldn’t be making top4.
    Which club would take a risk if hes sacked from Manchester UTD ?

  4. Pierre

    Rramsey
    ” Dissenter is absolutely bang on, Ramsey and Giroud being two players you endlessly bagged on.”

    I have always said they were decent players ,which they are , I just didn’t /don’t think they are what we need to be a successful team…giroud not mobile enough and Ramsey not diciplined enough to play in a 2 man midfield.

    If we played with a 3 man midfield with Ramsey as the attacking option with 2 holding ,then yes I can see him doing a decent job…but in a 2 man midfield it doesn’t work .

  5. Bamford10

    Small thing, all, but if you copy and paste someone else’s commentary into your post, throw quotes around it. This makes it easier for others to follow the discussion.

  6. Marko

    Small thing, all, but if you copy and paste someone else’s commentary into your post, throw quotes around it. This makes it easier for others to follow the discussion.

    Anything else you want us to do?

  7. Bamford10

    Pierre

    Ramsey has been asked to play the holding mid role in the two Milan matches — Jack was played as the CAM — and he has been very responsible. If you are the balanced, measured poster you claim to be, you will acknowledge this and revise your opinion of Ramsey accordingly. Cheers.

  8. Bamford10

    Marko

    I’m glad you asked: yes, I would like you to address me as “sir” or “your lordship,” I would like you to …..

    No, Marko, that is my only request, and it is less for me than it is for everyone who reads Le Grove. Cheers.

  9. London gunner

    Bamford

    Ramsey is decent but there is better out there who would expect less money.

    He just isn’t a hold at all costs player. Not on that level.

  10. UTarse

    We can sit here and bang on about whether Ramsay plays and what he needs behind him to be more productive, xhaka and how he plays, Wilshere, El neny etc.

    The “manager” plays them with total disregard to balance and style of play, it’s just a throw of the dice most of the time…. and frankly if we compare them to our “peer group” I can’t see any of them getting into their respective teams… maybe barring Liverpool

  11. Bamford10

    As for Welbeck. I am one of those here who thought he was a useful if flawed player prior to his most recent injury, who liked his movement, mobility, athleticism and dribbling.

    Since his return from that injury, though, I have not seen the same level of mobility, pace and dribbling from him, so I am not sure I can go back to my prior view. He seems a reduced player to me, and he was never the “beez knees” in the first place.

    However, he could be regaining something of the old Danny in each match and training session, and he might be on his way to becoming a decent back-up again. Time will tell.

    Even this mild expression of support for Welbeck will likely result in howls of mockery from certain quarters, though.

  12. Bamford10

    London

    So you would keep Xhaka and sell Ramsey? For me this would be insane. The latter is a good footballer, is versatile and has done many big things for Arsenal; the former is basically a zero.

    I don’t know what Ramsey will expect to be paid, and I think some of the figures thrown around by some here are way inflated, but in general I think it would say that Ramsey is one of the few players in this squad that I would keep and definitely one of the few in our midfield that I would keep.

  13. DivineSherlock

    Guns of Brixton

    “PSG will want him”

    Really ? I doubt that . Although he can fcuk off to that ligue , I wont mind that . Good for him. Good riddance.

  14. Marko

    No, Marko, that is my only request, and it is less for me than it is for everyone who reads Le Grove. Cheers.

    You got it

  15. Bamford10

    Divine

    I’m not sure I understand your question. What do you think my opinion of City-Liverpool is, and how would last night have affected this?

  16. Bamford10

    Mo Salah continues to dazzle. 4 goals and 1 assist. His dribbling on the first goal? When he caused the defender to fall down? Guy is on a tear. Great stuff from him, though people shouldn’t separate it from Liverpool’s attacking and passing play as a whole. If you stuck Salah into another set-up, say Chelsea’s, he’d be good, but he wouldn’t necessarily be doing what he is at Liverpool.

  17. DivineSherlock

    Bamford

    ManCity win was your opinion or am I mistaken ? (Apologies if mistaken) Mo Salah in incredible form scoring 4 goals , I mean that definitely changed my opinion , I think that tie is more open now if Liverpool play like that .

  18. Dissenter

    Bamford,
    “Mo Salah continues to dazzle. 4 goals and 1 assist. His dribbling on the first goal? When he caused the defender to fall down? Guy is on a tear. Great stuff from him, though people shouldn’t separate it from Liverpool’s attacking and passing play as a whole. If you stuck Salah into another set-up, say Chelsea’s, he’d be good, but he wouldn’t necessarily be doing what he is at Liverpool”

    It’s possible but we can make that same point about Messi.
    He’s played for Barca all his life and we’ll never know if he would be the same player for another club. We do know that he hasn’t won much for the Argentine senior team.
    I’m not comparing Salah to Messi. We’ll have to see if he can replicate the same form next season. I do think some of his goals have been Messi.esque.

    On another note, it’s can’t be favorites anymore because Liverpool have progressively gotten as good as City. They didn’t start the season in that same form unlike city.
    Right now the CL QF is a 50-50 game.

  19. Dissenter

    *city can’t be favorites anymore*
    Liverpool are now on the same level. They have reached that same level over the course of the season.

  20. Bamford10

    Divine

    I think odds-makers will favor City, but I agree with you that Liverpool are definitely capable of beating them. City have more overall quality, but Liverpool are excellent when on their game and they’ve already beaten City once this season. Hard to say, but over two legs I’d probably put my money on City, but you never know.

  21. Victorious

    *city can’t be favorites anymore*
    Liverpool are now on the same
    level. They have reached that same
    level over the course of the season.

    Might be the defence is what determines who go through, City’s seems more assured and also have a better midfield

  22. Champagne Charlie

    “So you would keep Xhaka and sell Ramsey? For me this would be insane. The latter is a good footballer, is versatile and has done many big things for Arsenal; the former is basically a zero.“

    Objective and balanced as usual. Xhaka a zero? Stick to Soccer I’d suggest

  23. Dissenter

    Victorious
    “Might be the defence is what determines who go through, City’s seems more assured and also have a better midfield”

    Nah
    That argument could have been made in December without a whisper of dissension
    Liverpool have been operating at a very high level for about a month now. They have a defense that’s just as good as city now. Next season they will have a midfield as good when Naby Keita.
    I really think they’ll beat city over two games.

  24. Champagne Charlie

    Banford

    “Many big things” lol

    You sound like Trump. You call Xhaka a zero even though he’s been an ever present in midfield, had great games, had shit ones. Yet players like Elneny offer nothing, Wilshere is bit part.

    Ramsey has 7 goals and 7 assists this season and you claim he’s been great. Just a biased view all around.

  25. Dissenter

    I know we (most of us) have made mockery of Xhaka’s abilities for the last 1.5 season but he’s been improving over the past few games.
    I’m not sure if it’s the Europa league effect but it’s like someone had a word with him.

  26. Dissenter

    Champagne
    Why can’t you let bygones be bygones.
    You’re nitpicking on Bamford. The ‘zero’ thing is just hyperbole…and you’re smart enough to do that.

    I’ll say the same to Bamford too.
    Stop fighting yesterdays battles.

    Just trying to be like Kofi Annan :-)

  27. Champagne Charlie

    Dissenter

    Nothing to do with bygones being bygones, it’s the Xhaka narrative im arguing. Same as I have done with Paulinho.

    There’s no nitpicking, we have players in CM offering very little and Xhaka has given a lot more than those – yet this cult idea he’s shit keeps getting spun. In this case to try and elevate Ramsey.

  28. Dissenter

    City have been bumped out of the FA cup by Wigan, they have lost in the CL at home to lowly Basel and have had their unbeaten league run ended.
    They aren’t that invisible anymore.
    I do understand why gooners may have PTSD regarding city after all the drubbings they’ve delivered to us this season.

  29. Victorious

    Dissenter

    Really don’t fancy the dippers defense, guess we’ll see on that then

    re Xhaka:Have to say he has really improved these past few games,he was a beast against Milan(at home),he seems to dominate against teams who gives him lot of space to string the passes together without the press of course,not sure if a new manager will fancy him though, not mobile enough for me

  30. mysticleaves

    Salah is having an unreal season. Though I expected he will be very good this season (but ha has blazed everyone) because he has always been on a steady progress from Fiorentina days.

    Would be definitely cheering him on for the golden boot ahead of that shit striker

  31. mysticleaves

    Have to say Xhaka is a good player. Sometimes a very good player, even before he came to Arsenal. You need to remember he was in Bundesliga team of the year the season before he came here. And only Christensen prevented him from winning Mochenglaback’s player of the year back to back.

    However, he isn’t Mobile and cant seem to evade the press either with a pass or a dribble. He’s also a very bad tackler. These doesn’t mean he’s shit. Just not suited to the league.

  32. DivineSherlock

    Champagne Charlie

    “Ramsey has 7 goals and 7 assists this season and you claim he’s been great. Just a biased view all around.”

    Ramsey has had a good year mate . Those are good stats for any midfield player. Very few positives this season Ramsey is one of them.

  33. DivineSherlock

    Bamford

    Also Liverpool’s defence under pressure in a game like this , will it sustain is the question.
    But the home and away rule wont matter that much I believe , as opposed to Madrid Juve . Its still in England , players used to it on both stadiums . Just the away goal advantage.

  34. Bamford10

    Dissenter

    I am just stating my views, mate. I’m not being adversarial or antagonistic. I will leave that to others.

    I think you’re overstating the City-Liverpool situation, btw. I agree that Liverpool are right there, but 50/50 might overstate it. Let’s say 55/45 City. 😉

    Cheers.

  35. DivineSherlock

    Victorius

    serious que:who has been our best player this season?
    Too early for this . So far I would say Monreal . I know not a popular choice.

  36. Marko

    You call Xhaka a zero even though he’s been an ever present in midfield

    To be fair he’s been an ever presence in probably our worst midfield in a decade. Like I said earlier nothing like a couple of home victories against cannon fodder teams to make people forget the abysmal form right before. Xhaka had a great game against Milan did he? Well prior to that he was awful in the 4 defeats in a row and the 8 in 2018. Generally speaking his season is poor his nearly two years as an Arsenal player has shown him to be a poor signing NOT successful in the slightest

  37. jasongms

    Based on what we’ve seen over the last 2 seasons, none of our midfielders would advance or elevate the team with the goal of winning major trophies. (no the FA cup is not a major trophy)

    Xhaka, slow ponderous and positionally weak. The latter could possibly be coached into him, but with Arsene more than likely seeing out his contract, expect the same next season. // Sell.

    Ramsey, positionally weak (see above) with a penchant for the sublime as well as the ridiculous. Injury prone and coming to the end of his contract, is he worth 150,000+ re, new contract? In short no. //Sell

    Elneny, shouldn’t even be a debate// Sell

    Wilshere, one stand out game many moons ago doesn’t bode well for a guy that is injury prone and has questions over his quality, especially considering his indifferent loan move last season. Has improved marginally this season. Could prove a decent squad player if he signs the current contract offered… if he chooses not too// Release.

  38. jasongms

    I would also sell Mustafi ASAP, one of the worst defenders I have ever seen wearing the shirt, utter tripe.

  39. Paulinho

    Xhaka is still as shit as ever in terms of quality. It’s not as if he’s suddenly developed some ability to deal with the press or shown something different than before in terms of making us play better as a team.

    Against Milan he showed some awareness defensively to make some good headed clearances, and that was something at least.

  40. Marko

    Based on what we’ve seen over the last 2 seasons, none of our midfielders would advance or elevate the team with the goal of winning major trophies

    Exactly. We’re not one midfielder signing away from having a good midfield or being good enough to compete with we’re at least two or three away imo. Xhaka has shown in nearly two years to be a poor signing and for many years Ramsey and Jack have shown that they shouldn’t be starting midfielders in a team competing for major honours. Therefore at least two signings are needed in that area. Now I know Charlie isn’t the biggest fan of my approach to solving this midfield issue it’s too much like playing a video game or something he’ll say but there’s no internal solutions to fixing the issue so reinforcements are needed

  41. Akilan

    I rate Xhaka offensively. Let’s say he’s a poor man’s Xabi, offensively.
    Defensively, he’s terrible. This season he has been all over the place positionally(may be Wenger effect). When he’s in position, he’s rash and looks out of depth. My biggest problem with him is his fouling technique. Even his normal, harmless fouls look blatant. With the calibre of refs we have in the league, that is a disaster, waiting to happen. For such a smart guy off the field, he comes across as a dumb DM, when he makes careless fouls around the area in harmless situations. He has a tendency to switch off defensively and let the opponents ghost their way into dangerous area unchecked. Not to forget his brainfarts, losing the ball around the D. As far as DMs come, he’s a luxury player defensively.

    I would sell him in the summer. I believe we can’t afford a player like Xhaka in midfield when you have Ozil, Ramsey, Bellerin and Mkhi in the same team. Sell him for 20m( he’s performing in Europe and is still young) buy a player like Fabinho or Kovacic. If Jack leaves, sign Meyer or ozakyup for free. That should fix our midfield for a net spend of may be 25-35m.

  42. Bamford10

    I agree with Monreal being our best player this season, though his return outing against Milan was something of a rough one (he committed like 12 fouls,) though I assume he was just re-finding his feet after some time on out.

  43. Bamford10

    Marko

    You’re one of the good ones, save when you align yourself with one of the bad guys against me. 😉

    One thing I’ve learned recently: it’s much easier (and more pleasand for all) to make my point and then allow others to weigh in. See, for example, the above discussion of Xhaka. I used to feel like I had to make every argument, but now I see that others will make the arguments if given the space to do so.

    Cheers, all.

  44. Marko

    You’re one of the good ones, save when you align yourself with one of the bad guys against me.

    I honestly don’t align with anyone I stand alone. I just don’t like hypocrisy and I’ll call out bullshit if I have to because I’ve got nothing better to do. I’ve learned though recently not to get as pissed off as before because it’s all bullshit really the arguing and bickering. I mean you’re not going to change people’s minds on certain things so why get pissed off about it.

  45. jasongms

    “there’s no internal solutions to fixing the issue so reinforcements are needed”

    Exactly, it’s time to bite the proverbial bullet and clear out the entire midfield, building a new engine and sacrificing a few seasons to get us back challenging again. Because no one can honestly say that we are one signing away from being competitive again, unless of course, you think 6th is cool.

  46. Champagne Charlie

    “Now I know Charlie isn’t the biggest fan of my approach to solving this midfield issue it’s too much like playing a video game or something he’ll say but there’s no internal solutions to fixing the issue so reinforcements are needed“

    Don’t start, that’s not representative of what I’ve said previously and you know it.

    I state, and maintain, that the majority of our issues are systemic and derived from the manager. This collection of players is far more capable than the standard we are seeing, and that’s because of shoddy approach and next to no game management.

    When Wenger is replayed a new manager will come in and set us up with a system and approach that every player will know he to implement. This will have a more profound change than signing 11 new players (as you’ve advocated before).

    Changes will occur to meet the needs of the new system, but the overriding factor to our improvement will be having each players role defined and accounted for. PEA is a minor example of how talent is less effective without approach. Dortmund played a system to suit, he flourished, we don’t have one and he’s intermittent.

  47. Victorious

    Paulinho
    “Xhaka is still as shit as ever in
    terms of quality. It’s not as if he’s
    suddenly developed some ability to
    deal with the press or shown
    something different than before in
    terms of making us play better as a
    team.”

    No sir! I think you got that all wrong,you might want to remove the Ramsey tinted glasses do you see clearly

    whoscored:Xhaka had 91 touches,77 successful passes(93%),1 chance created,4 long balls(100%),3 clearances,2 blocked shots,2 interceptions, 3 tackles,etc

    I know you hate him but he had a monster of a game against Milan,sorry

  48. Champagne Charlie

    Victorious

    Wouldn’t bother there mate, Paulinho lives solely in the land of the subjective so stats don’t do anything to him.

    By living in said land there will never be any way of arguing his view, he simply makes a point then that’s how he sees it.

    I’d move on before he calls you a stat peddling monkey or something.

  49. jasongms

    CC

    I used to share the same opinion that with a new manager and a new system the team would show it’s ‘true’ quality. But now I just think so many of them have become wengerised, a new manager/ system wouldn’t fix the obvious shortcomings.
    Under this constract, don’t you think it would be better to shuffle the pack?

    Also, there’s every indication that Arsene will stay at least until the end of next season. So what you’re suggesting is that we keep the same players, that won’t improve tactically until 2020 of which is basically sacrificing next season? Doesn’t make a whole lot of sense, right!

  50. Pierre

    Did I dream that I saw Nzonzi dominate the Manchester midfield at old Trafford from start to finish for Seville last week …yet no one mentions him.

  51. DivineSherlock

    Victorious

    Its fairly obvious to me why Xhaka has had a few good games. When he is slotted besides wilshere and ramsey , there’s lot less to cover . He has more possession , CBs passes to him. He can dictate the game more. Lets reserve the judgement for later. Its the change in tactics that has benefited him.

  52. Pierre

    Jasongms
    “Because no one can honestly say that we are one signing away from being competitive again, unless of course, you think 6th is cool.”

    You are right……but, on the plus side we look good up front . Ozil,mhkitarean ,aubamayang and lacazette look a potent strike force to me , mahrez would be the icing on the cake for me . Could see him coming in from the right to play aubamayang in all day long…mhkitarean doing similar from the left and ozil sitting behind aubamayang…

    Of course that will only work with 2 holding midfielders and that’s where we return to the Ramsey conundrum again!

  53. Marko

    We’ll be here all day long talking about all the squad issues that exist but let’s just focus on the midfield what exactly would you like to see a new manager do there Charlie