Two managers throw hat in ring | Spitting feathers over here

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Unreal footage emanating from up north, where the fans are more salt of the earth than a whole east end pub eating jellied eels in unison to an impromptu Chas & Dave gig. Jamie Carragher, top-notch Sky Sports pundit, with a leg so enticing Thierry had to touch it live on national television, gobbed on a fan goading him through the window of his car. The man driving had his little girl in the passenger side (where the said gob flew in), was driving down the motorway at great speed, whilst videoing the whole incident on his phone. Which means he must have unlocked his phone, delicately swipped the setting to video, all whilst transporting his child.

He landed his reaction. Pussied off to a rag like a weak school kid. As a result, Jamie Carragher has been suspended by Sky. It’s all an embarrassing mess.

What I can’t have are the folk who think Jamie Carragher shouldn’t be held to high standards. When you’re in a position of status in society, there are expectations that come along with that. In fact, when you’re in any type of position working for a reputable company, in most walks of life, the act of gobbing at car whilst driving would generally be met with the termination of employment (if caught on the internet). Jamie Carragher deserves his suspension for bringing the good name of Sky into disrepute (LOL). This is nothing to do with poor old footballers having to be nice people, it’s about doing something scuzzy (and being dumb enough to get caught).

The guy in the car filming? He should have his behaviour dealt with by the police. Incredibly irresponsible considering he was carrying a child in the car. A child that was telling him to stop. Unbelievable, dangerous, and a flagrant breach of the law.

The spitting thing is beyond grim. I appreciate there is a section of the fanbase that can’t understand why British people get upset with spitting. Well, how about I piss on your leg? What, you wouldn’t like that? But it’s sterile when it comes out? It is a cleaner act than hocking up hell from your lungs, so why would you not be equally breezy about that act?

Any ejaculation of bodily fluid aimed at another person in public, without written consent, is an abomination. For me, it’s worse than being punched in the face. I’D RATHER BE STABBED. Ok, too far. But spitting is disgusting. Don’t do it kids. It’s just not cool.

TOP Arsenal inside informational scooper, Sami Mokbel, has revealed Arsenal are thinking of letting fashion legend, Hector Bellerin, leave come the summer. He reckons we’ll take the £50m and invest it in a centre back, a holding midfielder and a keeper.

I don’t feel sexy about this, mostly because he’s 22 and one of the best prospects in Europe. If he knew a fantastical new manager was coming in, would he really be leaving? I have my doubts.

Also, our accounts recently revealed £140m in the coffers. Why do we need another £50m? Feels like an odd player to ship on. Especially if we were serious about kicking Wenger out.

Talking of new managers, Patrick Vieira showed that he is a respect machine, hinting that he’d love to move to Arsenal, but not until Wenger is well gone.

‘Let’s say that some day it might interest me. But one day,’ Vieira told French newspaper L’Equipe.

‘I cannot say anything more because there is nothing to say about it and I do not want to offend Arsene, whom I adore and for whom I have a lot of respect.

‘Because I know that he suffers a lot from the current results, even more than hearing what his former players say.’

 

That reads to me like he’d defo be interested in moving to Arsenal if Wenger gets moved on, he just doesn’t want to put pressure on his old boss like Theirry did.

There was also a very strong link from The Sun about Max Allegri wanting the Arsenal job if it came up. I think he’d be a very shrewd coach, he’d be one of the few who could mount a serious challenge on the Premier League. Check out the Juventus documentary that’s on Netflix (‘First Team: Juventus’). Fantastic to see how a club steeped in tradition and expectation deals with the pressures of professional football. Allegri comes across very well.

Right, I think that’s me done. Have yourself a fab day, and please, please, please, don’t aggressively excrete bodily fluids or solids at anyone.

Thanking you.

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  1. Carts

    Nzoni boat has gone. 30 already; buy out cause uite high. Arsenal uncertain on what European competition we’ll be in.

    He was being banded around LG a good while ago. This much i can confirm. This is far from reactionary revisionism.

    Boils down to Wenger and his blind faith in players that most could see werent going to amount to very much.

  2. Victorious

    Sevilla are levels behind in la liga,speaks volumes for them to knock out united,not a good showing for the EPL at all,Scums out,Boringnho out,don’t expect bin dippers to get past qf,city won’t win it,in summary premier league clubs are still miles away from winning the champions league

  3. Bamford10

    This is a case study for those who think that money is all that matters; I imagine that that Sevilla side cost about 1/5th of what that United side cost. Money makes a difference, no doubt, but so too does a team’s manager, tactics, organization, discipline and intelligence.
    Sevilla were better organized, better drilled, better managed. That’s why they won.

  4. Dissenter

    English clubs are just wasting their money. Continental clubs get better value for money.
    Asrenal are one of the wasteful English clubs that are wasteful.

  5. Dissenter

    Nzozi was always that uber-talented and I think Wenger would have gotten him had Coquelin not had that resurgence 3 seasons ago.

  6. Dissenter

    Milan can still surprise us at home if they get the first goal early in the game.
    We still don’t have a goal scorer leading the line.

  7. Carts

    “dissenterac Milan are finished.

    I’d bet my house on that match”

    I’ll send you the coordinates to meet me, post Arsenal v Milan.

    Make sure you bring your house keys and brief you solicitor about what’s about to happen.

    As you were.

    Carts

  8. Bamford10

    Carts

    Yeah, I wasn’t saying that because I thought Lukaku had been poor. I thought he was good. But I thought Lingard was good as well.

    One big question is whether Martial should have been on the bench for 75 minutes. That just seems like a waste to me. The guy is class.

  9. Bamford10

    Red

    Right, which is why I SAID that it makes a difference. But there are other variables as well, as tonight and a million other examples show.

  10. Victorious

    Sanchez went for the money,end off,would be surprised if he wins anything reasonable under Boringnho,he was woeful tonight, always chucking and suffocating the play when should be an outlet,very frustrating player,still think he peaked for us

  11. Bamford10

    Yeah, I don’t see Milan giving us much trouble. We’ll be organized and up for it. Koscielny and Ramsey rested. And we’re two goals up at home.

  12. Bamford10

    Red

    Right, of course they won’t. The best managed “expensive” team will. But an inexpensive team just beat an expensive team because the former had better tactics, were better organized and better drilled.

    Therefore, the more expensive team does not always win, and less expensive teams can beat more expensive teams. As Atletico have shown, as Dortmund have shown, as Juventus have shown, as Leicester City have shown.

    Arsenal can win the PL — even if we can’t equal the budgets of City or United. Do we need to spend a certain amount of money to compete? Yes, of course. But money is not the only variable.

  13. Carts

    Bamford

    Rashford didn’t have a good game. Wasn’t surprised he started – after his recent exploits – but flummoxed he saw 90 mins. Same goes for Alexis Beethoven.

    Totally agree lingard shouldn’t have been removed.

    Pogba looks utterly lost in there, to be honest. His wayward pass around the 88 min mark, while under zero pressure, has summed him up.

  14. Jim Lahey

    “Arsenal can win the PL — even if we can’t equal the budgets of City or United.”

    Yeah we can win it in a once off season, but we will never dominate.

    Dortmund have won the league 3 times in the last 20 years.

    Atlético have won it once in 20 years.

    Leicester have won it once in 20 years.

    I kinda want more than that for Arsenal….

  15. Champagne Charlie

    “Arsenal can win the PL — even if we can’t equal the budgets of City or United. Do we need to spend a certain amount of money to compete? Yes, of course. But money is not the only variable.“

    Doesn’t equate when you also drop nuggets like Kroenkes “only” mistake is rehiring Wenger.

    Money isn’t everything, correct.

    Combatting money requires shrewd appointments and recruitment. Hence your Kroenke defence is porous nonsense. Pretty much puts that argument to bed I hope.

  16. HighburyLegend

    With Alexis coming in, manure fans thought they would have another Rvp almost for free.

    Hilarious to say the least.

  17. jasongms

    So woke up this morning to the news that United were turned over at theirs… fcking hilarious stuff, Jose IN!

  18. Bamford10

    Charlie

    Right, Kroenke is responsible for one mistake and one mistake alone: placing faith in Arsene Wenger. He has not restricted what the manager could spend, nor has he fiddled with the manager’s hires.

    How you can criticize this mistake of Kroenke’s — believing in Arsene Wenger — given you were a Wenger supporter 12 months or so ago and someone who said just last summer that Wenger was still capable of winning the PL title is beyond me. Your judgment of Wenger was little better, if better at all, than Kroenke’s.

    Far from putting my argument to bed, you have simply highlighted its fundamental correctness while also revealing that there is a decent chance you don’t even understand my argument. (Which is a little bizarre, given it’s not all that complicated.)

    Wenger told Kroenke: “Trust me; I can get us back to the top, I can win the title. I have done it before.”

    And Kroenke fell for it and believed him.

    What’s hilarious is that you criticize Kroenke for this, despite the fact that you clearly would have fallen for the same speech. Jesus Christ, you were telling us this summer that he could still win titles.

    No offense, but seldom has anyone ever come to Le Grove and made such terrible (and dishonest?) arguments.

    But have a lovely evening. I look forward to hearing Le Grove discuss your claims (1) that Xhaka is as good a midfielder/footballer as Aaron Ramsey; (2) that Xhaka is as good an athlete as Fernandinho; and (3) that AMN has proven that he can be our starting RB next season (a claim implicit in your recommendation that we do this next season).

    Cheers.

  19. Dissenter

    Paulinho
    I’m one of the few posters here that wanted us to sell Sanchez in the summer. You wanted us to keep him as I recall.
    I rate Sanchez but have also acknowledged that he has had a lot of mileage under those tiny legs of his.
    He may yet still fit them to victory next season though :-)

  20. Marko

    But if sold then we’d buy, simple as. I like Sidibe at Monaco, Pereira at Porto, Bernardo at RB Leipzig.

    Good shout outs from Charlie earlier. I’d steer clear of the Xhaka stuff though it’s real murky imo.

  21. Bamford10

    Disagree with whoever said Rashford had a bad game. He actually had a pretty good game, including a play where he sprinted 40 yards to track a player that United’s CB’s had allowed to simply slip through the lines.

    And while I generally agree with Paulinho and respect his views, I don’t think he’s anything even approaching an impartial observer of Rashford these days.

    The one criticism I’d make of Rashford tonight is a criticism of how he was played. Even though he skinned and skipped by his defender several times, he is best deployed, IMO, through the center — so that he plays in and around the box — rather than as a wide player.

    Mourinho has a lot of attacking talent, though, and he hasn’t quite figured out how to use them all effectively.

  22. Marko

    Also the Gimenez stuff came from the fact his buy out clause is apparently something like 50 or 60 million. A snip for someone of his talent. Get a good exciting manager convince Gimenez that we would build the defence around him and we’d be in business for years to come.

  23. alexanderhenry

    CC

    Good point.
    Saying Kroenke’s only mistake is re hiring wenger- which it isn’t anyway- is like saying a poor goalkeeper is actually good apart from the bit where he has to use his hands.

    The two most important tasks any owner of any football club has to carry out is employing the right people and making adequate funds available to those employees. Kroenke has failed on both counts- so far.
    Looking at Stan’s record as an owner hardly fills one with a sense of overwhelming optimism for the future though.

    However, if post wenger, Gazidis is given the task and proves to be competent CEO and not just arsenal’s bullshitter in chief, there may be hope.

    More than ever arsenal need a new manager, but also looking at the squad, the club need to invest significantly if they want get back into the top four, let alone actually win a major trophy.

  24. Champagne Charlie

    Banford

    Hold on….

    You acknowledge money isn’t everything.

    You acknowledge (unless I’m mistaken) that smart appointments can challenge against bottomless money bags.

    But you don’t see how ridiculous Kroenke appointing wenger was, and how it’s the fundamental decision as to why we’re so poor? Gotcha. Total sense made, not at all another attempt to bury your head after making a ridiculous statement.

    The rest of your post was drivel and another attempt to send me (and others) down a path of “Banford truisms”. Big old yawn, I won’t even bother with it.

  25. Champagne Charlie

    Seems a very clear and obvious observation at hand here:

    1) Mega rich clubs have mega money to keep spending until they get it right.

    2) Those that don’t must hire the right people, and make smart, selective purchases to bridge the gap.

    Arsenal are so blatantly camp 2, so for the life of me I find it amazing how anyone can brush aside Kroenke hiring Wenger. It literally implodes any idea of smart appointments/transfers right from the off. Lol some people never cease to amaze.

  26. Champagne Charlie

    “Disagree with whoever said Rashford had a bad game“

    Rio Ferdinand, Paul Scholes, and Steven Gerrard to name a few…

  27. mysticleaves

    I imagine that that Sevilla side cost about 1/5th of what that United side cost.

    This would make sense when Seville win la Liga or UCL. In a one off game anybody can win anybody…

  28. mysticleaves

    There’s this happy feeling I get knowing that, for now, we got our revenger for RVP on the mancs. Sanchez could come out smoking next season though but I’d rather he didn’t so I can gloat more.

    Miki has been the better but so far and he hasn’t even performed remarkably.

  29. Bamford10

    Champagne

    Do you even read my posts? Can you understand English? Your reply isn’t even a response to what I wrote.

    Of course I think Kroenke’s decision to extend Wenger’s time at the club was a terrible one; I’ve been calling for Wenger to be dismissed or replaced for six or seven years now, so how could I possibly think otherwise?

    My point re this mistake of his is two-fold: one, given that you were telling us just this summer that Wenger could still win PL titles, YOU are in no position to criticize Stan Kroenke. The rest of us can; you cannot. You would have fallen for the same speech that Kroenke fell for, because you still believed in Arsene Wenger this past summer.

    Two, this mistake of Kroenke’s, while admittedly a very big one, is the only thing he can be criticized for. He can’t be criticized for penny-pinching, he can’t be criticized for restricting what the manager can do in the transfer market, he can’t be criticized for meddling in footballing decisions, he can’t be criticized for hampering or hindering Arsenal Football Club in any way except for one, and that is placing faith in Arsene Wenger. That is the one thing he can be criticized for.

    A smart, observant man should long before then have seen through Arsene Wenger. Yet Kroenke didn’t, and for that, he deserves criticism. Of course, you didn’t see through Wenger either, and neither did thousands of other Arsenal supporters, so what does that say about you and your lot, Charlie?

  30. Carts

    According to a pdf document I was sent last year, Hawkins looks to have quite literally replaced by a not so good look-a-like.

    Im sure a google search will direct anyone interested to that pdf doc. I’ll be honest, I’m far from a tin foil hat kind of person but looking at his timeline, there is certainly something odd.

  31. gonsterous

    if stoke gets relegated, can we get a discount shaquiri ? anyone on board with that ?? pacy winger we’ve been crying out for…

  32. kristoman

    Champagne
    Do you even read my posts? Can
    you understand English? Your
    reply isn’t even a response to
    what I wrote.
    Of course I think Kroenke’s
    decision to extend Wenger’s time
    at the club was a terrible one; I’ve
    been calling for Wenger to be
    dismissed or replaced for six or
    seven years now, so how could I
    possibly think otherwise?
    My point re this mistake of his is
    two-fold: one, given that you
    were telling us just this summer
    that Wenger could still win PL
    titles, YOU are in no position to
    criticize Stan Kroenke. The rest of
    us can; you cannot. You would
    have fallen for the same speech
    that Kroenke fell for, because you
    still believed in Arsene Wenger
    this past summer.
    Two, this mistake of Kroenke’s,
    while admittedly a very big one, is
    the only thing he can be criticized
    for. He can’t be criticized for
    penny-pinching, he can’t be
    criticized for restricting what the
    manager can do in the transfer
    market, he can’t be criticized for
    meddling in footballing decisions,
    he can’t be criticized for
    hampering or hindering Arsenal
    Football Club in any way except
    for one, and that is placing faith
    in Arsene Wenger. That is the one
    thing he can be criticized for.
    A smart, observant man should
    long before then have seen
    through Arsene Wenger. Yet
    Kroenke didn’t, and for that, he
    deserves criticism. Of course, you
    didn’t see through Wenger either,
    and neither did thousands of
    other Arsenal supporters, so what
    does that say about you and your
    lot, Charlie?

    sorry bamford, I have to repost so that he can read well. maybe he is not understanding English very well on the first read.

  33. David Smith

    Of course it won’t happen, but by rights, should Wenger leave this summer, Kroenke should pay his compensation out of his own money rather than the clubs funds

  34. kristoman

    any bets on mourinho getting
    fired ? jackass got kicked out of
    the CL again…

    and how many times our manager has kicked out fro cl? 21 years
    did he get the boot after 5-1 home and away humiliation? No
    and here you are telling other club to do what your’s couldn’t do for 10years. SACK THE MANAGER IF HE UNDER PERFORM.

  35. kristoman

    that mistake from de gea though.
    if cech did that, he would get
    roasted by the fans…

    yeah if cech make that save de gea made on one on one situation, he will be praised to the high heavens. see there, no keeper is above mistake

  36. kristoman

    gonsterous
    its mourhino first champion league season for united, so he can afforded the benefit of doubt. though he losing touch with the game these days.

  37. Pierre

    With regard to Sanchez and joses inability to get a performance out of him, maybe it says something about Wenger and how he used Sanchez as he played the best and most effective football of his career at Arsenal ,especially the first couple of years.
    There should be no excuses for Sanchez poor form as he went to United as a proven top quality premier league player who scores and assists who has a major influence in games.
    Now he is a shadow of himself and the excuses from Jose about his poor form is because he arrived in the January window and he has to get used to his team mates is rubbish .
    When Sanchez came to Arsenal he was new to the league but hit the ground running because he was used correctly by Wenger , he saw where he had the most influence on the game (on the left) and apart from a brief spell up front that is where he played .
    Jose has used Sanchez as a no.10 ,a playmaker sitting behind the striker and it just doesn’t work …last night he was back on the left and is struggling to form a partnership on the field .
    At Arsenal ,Sanchez formed a great partnership with monreal and especially with ozil … Because ozil has great intelligence and is totally a team player he was happy to give Sanchez the ball at every opportunity …ozil was the key to Sanchez being a success at Arsenal and I believe that Sanchez misses ozil as at United he is not building any partnerships , there is no one of ozil’s awareness or understanding to help Sanchez produce his best football .

  38. black mirror

    Bamford.. would you defend kronke if he wasn’t American. you often talk sense but seems there is a lack of objectivity here

  39. raptora

    Pierre,

    Your effort to big up Wenger fails big time. You know why? Because Alexis has been the absolute wonder for Chile for years now, but until after this summer where he has been utter gash and the biggest reason his team missed on going to the Worlds 18. It all lead up to his own countrymen who worship him to turn their backs on him and start booing him.

    Facts are that he has been playing levels below his usual game for almost a full year. It includes Chile, Arsenal and now Manure. Chances are it is a bit more complexed than “Oh boiii he played his best for Wenger so Wenger is god -.-.-.-.- BOW TO HIM”. Straw man.

  40. mysticleaves

    Raptora
    It’s not strawman at all that he played his best for Arsenal. it’s a fact. I dont see him hitting the Arsenal heights ever at Man utd. But of course some predicted it. Maybe age, maybe coaching restrictions or restricted atmosphere? He had freedom of Emirates.

    So you can question Pierre’s motives which is not necessary seeing as he is Wenger out and he stated a fact.

  41. raptora

    mysticleaves,

    “With regard to Sanchez and joses inability to get a performance out of him, maybe it says something about Wenger and how he used Sanchez as he played the best and most effective football of his career at Arsenal”

    You can clearly see that according to Pierre, the reason behind Alexis not performing well is mouninho not using him as well as Wenger.

    This is a simpleton’s look at the situation. Especially looking at Alexis’ form in the last year under 3 different coaches.

  42. Pierre

    Raptora
    Sorry to say but Wenger did use him correctly and he was a success at Arsenal but as I said , the main contributing factor for his success was his partnership with ozil.

    If you want to believe that Jose is using him correctly and Sanchez not having a team mate who understands his game is not important then more fool you.

    Blaming Sanchez for chiles failure after he has carried them on his back for years is a pretty ignorant comment …no player can continue to carry that burden not even messi.

    The fact is that Sanchez produced his best football of his career under Wenger .

  43. Mark

    Bamford made his points very clearly, all this talk of Kroenke being at fault is more deflection.

    As he stated CC still had the faith that Kroenke had in Wenger, so it’s a mistake a lot of AFC fans wanted at the time.
    As highlighted by Bamford & others Kroenke did not restrict funds or anything else.

  44. raptora

    “The fact is that Sanchez produced his best football of his career under Wenger .”

    Fact is no matter how many times you say that we need a new manager, you’d still move mountains to big up Wenger. Makes you wonder if your desire for a change is actually genuine.

  45. mysticleaves

    Raptora
    Actually Sanchez played his best under Wenger. Someone like Sanchez thrive where there is little or no instruction. We saw it in Barca (was hard for him cos of attention to details), Arsenal (no instructions so he thrived), Chile (the second man in the attack always doesn’t have instructions so he thrived). Maybe Man utd have instructions or restrictions too via Jose or he hasn’t taken to the atmosphere or as Pierre also pointed out which you totally ignored, he doesn’t have an Ozil.

    So admitting that he played his best under Wenger doesn’t equate to Wenger is God…

  46. Pierre

    Raptora
    Of course I want change but it’s always better to look at the game without prejudice, you should try it sometime.

  47. mysticleaves

    Obviously this blog is about who can paint Wenger to the lowest possible level relegating common sense to the background. Admitting that something good happened because of Wenger doesn’t equate to wanting to keep him Its just facts.

    Look at how you are trying to distort facts just because you wouldn’t want le grove to see you as AKB.

  48. Jamie

    Wenger gives all his favorites the ‘free-role’, which is why we’re so tactically inept as a team. Alexis may well have played the best football of his career at Arsenal, but it had nothing to do with Wenger’s instructions (or rather, lack thereof).

    Wenger tactics remind me of my school gym teacher when I was 9 years old, who would start the lesson with “here’s a ball, go play” and disappear back into his office.

  49. Pierre

    Mysticleaves

    Again ,some on here find it difficult to give ozil credit for his intelligence on the pitch ,a player who is willing for others to receive the plaudits if it is for the good of the team.

  50. raptora

    mysticleaves,
    the original argument is and I will post this again because you don’t seem to be able to read:

    “With regard to Sanchez and joses inability to get a performance out of him, maybe it says something about Wenger and how he used Sanchez”

    My counterargument is that he was bad for Arsenal, Chile and Manure for almost a year now. He was already levels below his usual game when he went to Manure. It’s about him getting back to his form of old. Form that he couldn’t show for 3 different teams in the last almost a year. Chances are there is more in there than “Wenger used him well, mouninho doesn’t” like Pierre is saying.

  51. Pierre

    Raptora
    Have a look around the United team…who is going to help him ….no one .

    Why , because most of those players are so insecure in their positions that they are playing for themselves.(unlike ozil).

    I’m talking about pogba,Rashford , lukaku,martial etc….they have no interest in bringing the best out of Sanchez ,they are too bothered about themselves and trying to win over the manager and the fans …plus he has a left back (Ashley Young)behind him who is not a natural left back ,unlike monreal, who doesn’t make the runs to create space for Sanchez.

  52. raptora

    Example:
    Torres at Atlético Madrid 214 apps – 82 goals
    Torres at Liverpool 102 apps – 65 goals
    Torres at Chelsea 110 apps – 20 goals

    Luis Aragonés, Gregorio Manzano, César Ferrando, Carlos Bianchi, José Murcia and Javier Aguirre were Torres’ coaches at Atleti.
    Rafael Benítez and Roy Hodgson were his managers at Liverpool.
    Carlo Ancelotti, André Villas-Boas, Roberto Di Matteo, Rafael Benítez again, José Mourinho were his managers at Chelsea.

    Doesn’t it sound an extremely simple view to say that all of the coaches at Atleti and all of the managers at Liverpool knew how to use him. And none of Chelsea’s managers including Benitez again had the ability to use him properly.

    My counterargument to the argument of Pierre is that a player’s form is not necessarily connected to their manager at the time. Sanchez hasn’t shown top class form for about a year playing for 3 different managers and 3 different clubs. But no, it’s jose’s inability to get a performance out of him and maybe it says something about Wenger and how he used Sanchez…

  53. Pierre

    Raptora
    I stand by my original comment that Wenger knew how to get the best out of Sanchez , was it luck ,who knows….did he instruct ozil to feed Sanchez with the ball as much as possible or did ozil make that decision or did their partnership just happen….whatever the reason ,it helped Sanchez produce his best football.

    Let’s see what happens with Sanchez at United, will Jose keep playing him to the detriment of the team (giving the ball away 42 times in one match ) or will he leave him out and then wait for the inevitable strop.

  54. Jamie

    Yeah yeah, Wenger is the only genius in world football who can extract the best performances out of Alexis. In fact, Pep was so unsure of his own managerial ability that he knew he couldn’t get Alexis to perform for him and his City side like Wenger got him to perform for Arsenal, so he abandoned his interest in signing him.

    Good one.

  55. raptora

    There are so so so many examples of south american players (especially) having a huge dip in form after years of performing at a top level. Ronaldinho, Kaka, Pato, Adriano. I could go on for a while. But no. It’s Wenger who used him well and mouninho’s inability to do it.

  56. Pierre

    Raptora
    “My counterargument to the argument of Pierre is that a player’s form is not necessarily connected to their manager at the time. ”

    Would you still be using that theory if the boot was on the other foot .

    Sanchez arrives at Arsenal from a successful period at United and plays rubbish……. Who would you blame ……..Wenger

  57. Pierre

    Jamie
    Grow up….

    Pep would get the best out of any player he signs …Sanchez would be flying at city as he would be used correctly by the manager..

  58. raptora

    The more important part of the equation is if you guys see Alexis turning it around unlike so many south american players in the past. I actually don’t. I think the ship has sailed and he will never be top class for a large period of time again.

  59. Jamie

    Pierre flip-flopping all over the shop.

    First it’s thanks to Wenger’s man-management that Alexis was smashing it. Then it’s maybe about Ozil always passing the ball to Alexis; unsure if he was instructed by Wenger to look for a pass to Alexis, or if he simply chose to pass to Alexis, or if the relationship a fluke. Pierre also mentions ‘luck’ as a possible explanation:

    “was it luck ,who knows”

    Who knows? Pierre does – whatever the reason, we should be thanking Wenger! And Ozil! And dumb luck!

  60. mysticleaves

    Raptora

    You haven’t really said while you were riled Pierre mentioned wenger in line with using Sanchez well. Even if Sanchez is not playing well now due to bad form it still doesn’t negate the fact that he played best under Wenger and it’s because of the way he was used

  61. raptora

    My opinion is that the best football that Alexis played for us was in the beginning of 2016/17 campaign when Wenger after 2 years of possibly wasted opportunity, played him as a number 9 and boy did he score a bunch of goals and were looking like a functional side again. Then after a super bad miss and a parody defending by none other but Ozil vs Everton, a loss away at Man City (yes, offsides) team got some low confidence and like always we couldn’t bounce back at all that season. At B’mouth was the moment that Giroud scored a goal and Alexis’ run as our CF had ended. That’s the moment that he stopped being top class in my eyes. January 2017. His goals from then on were mostly pens and free kicks and he started losing the ball a whole lot more.

    Reasons for it can be so, so many. Tiredness, stardom, lack of the same desire, physicality, personal problems, age? Anyhow in my eyes he hasn’t been the same player for a long time in football now. And he stopped being that player just after his best ever period. I don’t want to apply a simple logic saying that Wenger is to be blamed because he moved him back to the wing. Or Giroud’s purple patch. Or Ozil and ref faults. We couldn’t know the sole reason for his dip in form because it is most certainly way more than one.

  62. Rambo Ramsey

    Man United finally got rid of Rooney only to go on and sign another Rooney-in-the-making six months later.

    Pure comedy.

    Nothing quite like seeing explosive, high-energy players hit their inevitable, painful decline as they hit thirty.

  63. mysticleaves

    Pierre

    I fully acknowledge Ozil and what he brings to our team. His talent on the pitch and his selflessness is second to none. We would say a better and more devastating Ozil if our management is right.

    Sadly Ozil is like the opposite in that in as much as he plays well with a free reign, he needs his mates to be more structured and know their roles sort of to unleash the beast in him

  64. Paulinho

    “You wanted us to keep him as I recall.”

    Dissenter, I pretty much wanted Sanchez sold as soon as we bought him. LondonGunner would attest to that.

  65. Rambo Ramsey

    “I think the problem that Sanchez has is that he is still trying to play the Arsenal way,” Danny Higginbotham explained on Sky Sports’ The Debate.

    —————————————————–

    This clown gets paid in the hundred thousands for such insightful bollocks on an international television platform. Let that sink in.

  66. Paulinho

    Sanchez is still moving all round the pitch, so he might be playing under Mourinho, but he’s not sticking to a fixed position. Hence Mourinho complaining a few weeks back against Spurs that he dropped too deep.

    Sanchez is just doing Sanchez. He’s never been comfortable making runs in behind and as he declines, he will fall further and further back into his comfort zone; which is dropping deep and trying to be some wise old assister who does a lot of pointing and gesturing to make it seem as if he’s doing something important.

  67. Jamie

    “I think the problem that Sanchez has is that he is still trying to play the Arsenal way,” Danny Higginbotham explained on Sky Sports’ The Debate.

    In fairness, Alexis is still playing ‘the Arsenal way’. Just last night, he was knocked out of the last 16 of the CL. Has ‘the Arsenal way’ written all over it.

  68. Redtruth

    It is no coincidence Sanchez best form came in Wenger’s supposedly final season with Arsenal last season.
    The disappointment Sanchez must have felt when Wenger signed a new deal manifested itself on to the pitch with insipid turgid displays through which he is still struggling to overcome.

  69. Bamford10

    Black Mirror

    I’m glad you asked that, because it occurred to me later last night that some people might think I’m saying something that I’m not actually saying. When I say something like, “Kroenke made one mistake,” I am not saying “Kroenke hasn’t made any mistakes,” nor am I am saying “Kroenke is a good owner”. I don’t think Kroenke is a particularly good owner, because a good owner would take more interest in the club, would have more ambition for the club, and most importantly, a good owner would have replaced Arsene Wenger years ago.

    However, I also don’t think that Kroenke is a particularly bad owner, and more to the point, I don’t think he is going to be a problem for us going forward. As soon as Wenger is replaced by a new manager, Stan Kroenke will become somewhat irrelevant. All of the important football decisions will be made by the new manager, Sanllehi, Mislintat and Gazidis, and Kroenke will not be interfering in these decisions at all. As for the claim that he might persist too long with the next manager or the manager after that — as he has done with Wenger — I think this is a misunderstanding of why he persisted with Wenger, and that has to do with the peculiarities of the situation, i.e., Wenger being a club legend, Wenger having been there longer than Kroenke, Wenger having long done everything at the club. None of that will be true of any future manager.

    As for the American thing, that doesn’t really factor in for me. I couldn’t care less that he’s American. I would make the same arguments whether he was American, South African, Australian, Egyptian, Japanese, British, etc. All of the same holds true, regardless. The only time the American thing plays a factor at all for me is when certain people here use the phrase “Yank c*nt,” because that sometimes sounds like it contains more than just vitriol towards the owner; that sounds like it contains vitriol towards Americans, towards America in general. And that’s problematic to me. But it’s not even problematic to me because I’m American (though obviously this makes it somewhat more relevant to me); I would be just as opposed to this vitriol if it were being aimed at Frenchmen and France, Nigerians and Nigeria, Russians and Russia, or any other nationality. For me, national chauvinism and prejudice is bad and it is dumb. It should be opposed regardless of whom it is being aimed at.

    Hopefully this clarifies a few things. Cheers.

  70. London gunner

    Let’s not get revisionist Sanchez was a quality player and I’m glad we signed him when we did.

    But having said that he is declining massively. He has lost all his ability to beat players. I somehow ended up watching youtube clips of brazil chile world cup and sanchez was destroying Brazilian defenders dribbling last them with ease and he had far more pace about him.

    I think for a couple years he was in the top two attacking players in the league but you can see that his high inoact high energy game has worn him down.

  71. Steveyg87

    “I don’t feel sexy about this, mostly because he’s 22 and one of the best prospects in Europe.”

    Where do you come up with this s**t?

  72. Bamford10

    Sanchez playing well or not playing well is more down to the system he is playing in and the players he is playing with than it is to this or that manager.

    He has often played well for Chile, and this has to do with where he is played in that system, how well that system fits with his style of play and how well he understands his Chilean teammates (and vice versa).

    When he played well at Arsenal, this was down to the fact that he had largely a free role and he had developed a relatively good understanding over time with his Arsenal teammates, especially with Ozil. While I’m not a big fan of Wenger’s, some of this can of course be attributed to Wenger, because Wenger’s laissez-faire approach allows for players to find their own roles and spaces within the XI, allows for chemistry and understanding between players to develop over time and organically, allows for a lot of freedom and flexibility.

    However, Sanchez also played well at Udinese and Barcelona, and as I said, he plays well for the Chilean National Team, so it is not the case that Sanchez has only flourished under Arsene Wenger. Not at all.

    Sanchez did flourish for a time, though, within our system, but he can flourish in other systems as well, and our system, while it has some pluses, has a great many minuses.

  73. Bamford10

    I don’t know about this “Sanchez is declining” narrative. I agree that he’s not playing especially well at the moment — hasn’t been for a time — but I feel like this is more down to his decision-making than his physical condition. That is, I feel like this is because he is making a lot of bad decisions, is not in the right place mentally, is not on the same page as his teammates, not because he has declined physically. But I guess the latter could be happening. He is/was very quick and very powerful; if he has lost some of that, then his game will suffer. I just don’t know if that’s the case.

  74. Champagne charlie

    Banford

    Hallelujah you’ve finally admitted some genuine faults with Kroenke. Your “only” mistake rhetoric is moot, it’s not a measurement of how many mistakes have been made by various people. It’s a measure of what important decisions have Arsenal made that’s seen us hit these lows.

    Top of that list is from Kroenke. That is the simply comment many make on here but you’re hell bent on deflecting in order to serve your statements.

    Really cool that you keep reiterating your misunderstandings (being kind, they’re lies). However I’m plenty ‘qualified’ to judge Kroenke’s mistakes thanks and no matter how often you state absolute bollocks about my prior opinions, it doesn’t change what I’ve actually stated.

    Carry on with your ‘dishonesty’ quips though, the irony is hilarious.

  75. Bamford10

    Paulinho

    “who does a lot of pointing and gesturing to make it seem as if he’s doing something important.”

    So true. And Alexis the midfield creator — those pointless, long diagonal balls!%$#& — is the worst Alexis.

  76. Paulinho

    Bamford – Agree that physically Sanchez is not declining, but when a player is approaching 30 they start to perceive themselves differently. Rooney at that age started talking about moving into midfield, Messi as well at 29 is no longer looking to dribble as much. As they get wiser and more mature they feel as if they need to reflect this on the pitch, which means they probably change their game sooner than they actually need to in a physical sense.

    The players themselves would call it efficiency We call it decline. Because those players are undoubtedly much better when they are being more dynamic in terms of dribbling and making runs in behind. I’m yet to see a player improve when they make this transition, despite the players themselves often saying they think they are better player than when they were younger.

  77. Paulinho

    Having said all that, Sanchez even at 25, 26 still dropped deep way too often, so in that this is nothing really new.

    All the exaggerated pointing is definitely something he’s added recently though. Definitely compensating for something.

  78. Jamie

    NorthernGoon –

    I went to an international school, it was called gym back then.

    The ‘here’s a ball, go play’ tactics worked a treat for the kids from Japan. They had such liquid skills, and would dance circles around the rest of us.

  79. mysticleaves

    Northern what relevance was there to your last post? Do you even have opinions of your own or just attack things people say all the time? How about spark up a conversation lets get on with it eh?

  80. Jamie

    NorthernGoon –

    Not being pedantic; I disagree with the premise that Alexis’ form had anything to do with Wenger, other than perhaps being told to go out and ‘express himself’.

    Wenger didn’t improve Alexis, he hit a vein of form playing in a free-role, cutting in from the left and swinging his right leg through the ball.

    What is the point here, that Alexis hit peak form under Wenger? Alexis also hit terrible form under Wenger playing in that same free-role, beginning last season before his move to Utd and Mourinho. Explain.

  81. Bamford10

    Northern

    “If your school had the best players, I bet that tactic worked a treat.”

    Sounds like you think one of two things, then, Northern: either you think that Wenger’s laissez-faire approach is just as good as any other manager’s approach; or you think that while this or that manager’s approach might be marginally better than another, it ultimately comes down to the quality of the players in the XI.

    I am curious: which of these two would you say better represents your view?

  82. Bamford10

    Northern is clearly a bit xenophobic, anti-outsider, anti-American.

    We live in a globalized world, Northern; your old insular and insulated England is gone and gone forever.

    You can no more keep “American” English out of this blog than you can keep American films out of your theaters or American TV shows off of your TV.

    Be happy we’re calling it “football”. 😉

    (I am kidding with that last bit, of course.)

    p.s. A thousand “quid” Northern voted “Brexit”.

  83. Bamford10

    Below is Pedro replying to someone tweeting that Xhaka would be better under a different manager:

    “The Premier League is never going to forgive a player with his poor physical attributes. Too slow, too weak, too prone to switching off.” – @legrove

  84. Bamford10

    “Tottenham fear Kane will be out for six weeks with striker racing to be fit for World Cup.” – Mirror

  85. Victorious

    The fact is that Sanchez produced
    his best football of his career
    under Wenger

    Absolutely,any other opinion contrary from this would simply be made because of hatred for Wenger and painfully lack of rationality and objectivity

  86. Champagne charlie

    Banford

    You absolutely are insecure. Totally unable to simply provide a point of view that is your own, always having to drag others into the mix as some means of validating what you say.

    Today you’re reposting yet more tweets just because they align with what you say, totally ignoring the irony in the tweet itself. Not sure why you find the constant need to point out others share your view, that’s classic insecurity.

    Yesterday it was backhanded remarks about what I’ve said as “claims”. They weren’t clams, they were opinions. Don’t attempt to argue the semantics of that, everyone can see the intention with the use of language. Again this is stock Banford when you try to argue people, attempted belittling is widely expected from any across this space.

    Even prior to that it was the toys out the pram because University soccer was referenced as Sunday league.

    So no, I’m not misunderstanding anything. I’m observing how you’re unable to provide a point of view, appreciate people hold different ones, and debate football solely. You constantly cite others, belittle others, and reject points of view.

    Then play the victim.. stunning.

  87. Jamie

    NorthernGoon –

    I still fail to see how Alexis’ top form distinctly reflects on Wenger’s managerial ability. His career purple streak simply coincided with his first two seasons at Arsenal, imo.

    Will he regain that sort of form under Mourinho? Who knows, but if he does, it won’t be ‘thanks’ to Mourinho or his tactics, it’ll be down to Alexis and his attitude.

    He isn’t learning any new tricks at 29 under any tutelage, just as he didn’t learn anything under Wenger at 26. “Go out and play” doesn’t constitute tactical instruction, it’s essentially an ego-booster; some of the time, it works all of the time.

    Most attacking players who score 25+ goals or provide 20 assists a season are given freedom to roam, just as Ronaldo was given total freedom under Mourinho at Madrid. That doesn’t necessarily coincide with a better team performance, though, as evidenced by Arsenal’s league results with Wenger, Alexis, and Ozil all in the mix over the last 3 seasons.

    So the point Pierre (and now you, seemingly) made about how Alexis played better under Wenger than he has done thus far under Mourinho seems a rather pointless one.

    Victorious March 14, 2018 13:30:14

    “The fact is that Sanchez produced his best football of his career under Wenger.
    Absolutely,any other opinion contrary from this would simply be made because of hatred for Wenger and painfully lack of rationality and objectivity”

    The fact also is that Sanchez recently produced the worst for of his career under Wenger, and absolutely any other opinion contrary from this (or excuses) would simply be made because of blind love for Wenger, and painfully lack rationality and objectivity.

  88. Danish Gooner

    Money is just Arsenes excuse,if your players are drilled like they should be drilled a team of journey men can win the league,we could easily dominate again with the right set up,ambition players and manager.There are countless of cheap teams that have done fantastically wellin history and let us not kid ourselfes we are no paupers are we,6th richest club in the world and that is while we are being very poor on the playing field just imagine we got Pep as a coach people would be flogging to support and spend money on Arsenal.

  89. Micheal

    Alisher Usmanov (owns 30% of Arsenal) named in House of Commons during today’s debate abut Russia’s attempted murder in Salisbury. Vince Cable, the LibDem leader, named Usmanov as a member of a group of Russian “undesirables” in London. The implication was that his financial activities should be curtailed.

  90. DaleDaGooner

    Good afternoon gents! Have we analyzed Sanchez’s 10 game run for united yet? LOL …His most glaring stats are his LOSS OF POSSESSIONS in all 10 games. He has averaged 7 possession losses per game….shows how much of a problem he was for a team with bad defending already.

  91. Akilan

    NorthernGoonMarch 14, 2018 13:09:23
    Jamie Sanchez was indulged in our system and played the most efficient and productive football in his career with us. This all stopped and his effectiveness declined after the BM hammering, coincidentally around the same time his head had been turned after his agent was whorring him around Europe. Once his head wasn’t in it and his teammate weren’t putting up with his shit any more, it was over and he’s trying to regain that level at United.

    Agreed. I would like to add, he played his best with us because he was at his best(physically). His last year at Barca was also exceptional. He produced a lot of big moments and had 21 goals(I think) while being in the shadow of Messi and Neymar. He just continued his form and reached his peak here.

    His style of play is pretty similar to Rooney(depends on their physical & mental sharpness). Also he’s been playing non stop for years now. WC, 2 copas, confederation cup and non stop PL action is bound to have an effect on his body. Most people observed that he won’t be playing at the top level during his 30s. It was always a case of when that inevitable downturn gonna start. Has it already started? I’m not sure. He will have the entire summer off this may. Who knows what he can do next year? Let’s hope he never recovers his form again.

  92. DaleDaGooner

    Against Tottenham, Alexis Sanchez had 0 goals, 0 Assists, 0 Key passes, 1 completed take-on, 7 Loss of Possession

    Against Huddersfield: 1 goal, 0 Assist, 3 Key passes, 9 Take-ons, 10 loss of possession.

    Against Newcastle: 0 goal, 0 assists, 2 key passes, 5 take-ons, 7 loss of possessions.

    I could go on…frankly he hasn’t been a great impact and for the money, he wasn’t worth the unnecessary outlay. He would have had it worse at City though, frankly both teams don’t need Sanchez, he should have stayed at Arsenal where he was a big dog.

  93. Bamford10

    Victorious

    Could you explain why the term “AKB” is inaccurate or unhelpful when discussing where this or that supporter stands with respect to Wenger or the club? Please be specific.

    Also, given that Pedro and Geoff wrote the term “AKB” into the very architecture of this blog — see the tab at the top of the web site — do you think Pedro should remove this? Do you not take Pedro or Geoff “seriously” because they believe this phrase does in fact accurately (if somewhat cheekily) describe certain types of Arsenal fans? Do tell.

  94. Elmo

    I don’t understand the desire to re-imagine history re Sanchez.

    Last season he carried us. Look at our away results last year; while our defending was very poor away from home both last year and this, the difference was that we were scoring more on the road last season. Sanchez scored 15 times away from home, with a huge proportion of them being vital to the result. Take away those goals and we have what we have this year. My guess was that in January the new team observed those differences and bought an in-form striker to try and solve the away results by regaining the away PPG from last season, when we finished a point off 4th (i.e in with a chance if the competition slips up), as opposed to 10+ points behind.

    The other point is that while it’s great if Mkhi works out and Sanchez ends up a dud at United, it was undoubtedly a mistake for the club to insist on holding him into the final year of his contract. Predictably there was instability, which Wenger claimed would not occur, and the second there were actually adults in the building in Mislintat and Sanllehi, they acted to get the best return still possible with a few months left on his contract. Would we have paid £60m+ for Mkhi? No chance. The correct action for the club was to sell Sanchez in the summer and re-invest then; if the club wanted Mkhi we could have bought Mkhi and another player with the Sanchez proceeds.

    Is Sanchez going into decline now? Could well be. As Akilan mentions and Tim Vickery has been pointing out for a long time, Sanchez has been playing pretty much continuous top level football for 5+ years without a break, due to the Chilean national team being so successful. It remains to be seen whether he can re-charge this summer with a long-awaited rest, or if his race is largely run at this point.

  95. alexanderhenry

    Michael

    That’s actually bad news for arsenal. If the government enforce some kind of sanction that would make it impossible or very difficult for Usmanov to remain in the UK, he’s likely to sell up and only kroenke would pay top dollar for Usmanov’s shares.

  96. Marc

    alexanderhenry

    Usmanov wants to sell his shares anyway and Kroenke has already had the chance to buy them.

    Am I the only one to notice that Usmanov has been silent the last 3 – 4 months when usually he’s putting statements out about how Arsenal would be run so much better under him at the first sign of fan unrest?

  97. Bamford10

    Northern

    “Better players win more games that’s fucking obvious but a tactically astute manger is what would bring the marginal gains to the party.”

    OK, so your view is basically the second view I described.

    For you, the players and the quality of the players are the key factor; the manager, his organization of the team and the tactical approach he imparts to the team are a secondary factor and only contribute a “marginal” amount to the whole. In your opinion, the former is the primary factor, the latter a secondary factor, indeed a “marginal” factor.

    I think many here probably agree that the former (the quality of the players) is primary and the latter (the manager, the organization, the tactics) secondary; however, whether they would describe the latter as “marginal” or as having only a “marginal” impact on the whole is another matter. After all, “marginal” means (relatively) small and makes it sound as if the manager, organization and tactics are only a relatively small factor.

    The question is, then, how big a component is the first factor, and how marginal or small a component is the second? What ratio are we talking about here? Are you saying that the first factor (the quality of the players) is 99% of why a team is what it is and the second factor (the manager, the organization, the tactics) only 1%? Or do you think it’s more like 90% to 10% or 75% to 25%? If I were to guess, I would guess that you think the first factor is somewhere between 80-90% of why a team is what it is and the second factor only 10-20%. But I’m interested to hear what you say on this point.

    Some may find this level of detail on this question tedious and somewhat beside the point, but I think it’s both interesting and important. And it may seem even more interesting and more relevant when you apply it to certain concrete particulars. For example, City are 33 points ahead of Arsenal. If you had to say — this is for everyone here — what percentage of those 33 points of difference is down to the difference in player quality and what what percentage is down to manager, organization, tactics? 90% vs. 10%? 80% vs. 20%? 60% vs. 40?

    Or consider another particular: Sevilla beat United 2-1 last night at Old Trafford. What percentage of that one goal margin (if we think about it that way) was down to the difference in player quality and what what percentage was down to manager, organization, tactics? This one is trickier and for a number of reasons.

    I, for one, find this discussion interesting and I might come back to it later with a few more thoughts.

    I think my general view is that the ratio between the two factors is something like 75/25, but even that oversimplifies the situation, because the closer the players come to one another in terms of quality, the larger the second factor becomes (and vice versa).

    Cheers, all.

  98. alexanderhenry

    Marc

    What Usmanov really wants is to buy kroenke out. Maybe you missed the bid he made for the club only last year.

    Failing that, he’d be open to selling his shares. Just not to kroenke.

  99. Pierre

    Bamford
    “Some may find this level of detail on this question tedious and somewhat beside the point”

    Yawn.. Oops sorry I fell asleep half way through your Comment.

  100. alexanderhenry

    I have to say I’m enjoying the mess mourinho’s making at man utd.
    If the Glazer’s have any sense they’ll fire him. He won’t go quietly though. His ego won’t allow it.

  101. Marko

    Agree. Cannot believe Mou was given a new two year deal recently. He’s doing a bad job imo. Nothing to do with sitting second and winning two cups last season but he’s clearly not getting the best out of the players and honestly these days I trust him with a transfer kitty almost (ALMOST) as much as Wenger especially with offensive players. Nothing wrong defensively but he hasn’t a clue about how to attack and impose his team on opponents

  102. UTarse

    Goon,
    “Uparse
    The same sort as in London or Edinburgh you fucking dummy.”

    Couldn’t resist could you ? Have to throw an insult in for good measure. Apart from the fact that you talk bollocks you either have to “banter” with xenophobia or an insult.

  103. Bob

    Wilshere should ask arsenal for £200k aweek deal, take it or lev it.
    With all the other massive offers he has on the table why should he take a pay cut to stay at arsenal.