Two managers throw hat in ring | Spitting feathers over here

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Unreal footage emanating from up north, where the fans are more salt of the earth than a whole east end pub eating jellied eels in unison to an impromptu Chas & Dave gig. Jamie Carragher, top-notch Sky Sports pundit, with a leg so enticing Thierry had to touch it live on national television, gobbed on a fan goading him through the window of his car. The man driving had his little girl in the passenger side (where the said gob flew in), was driving down the motorway at great speed, whilst videoing the whole incident on his phone. Which means he must have unlocked his phone, delicately swipped the setting to video, all whilst transporting his child.

He landed his reaction. Pussied off to a rag like a weak school kid. As a result, Jamie Carragher has been suspended by Sky. It’s all an embarrassing mess.

What I can’t have are the folk who think Jamie Carragher shouldn’t be held to high standards. When you’re in a position of status in society, there are expectations that come along with that. In fact, when you’re in any type of position working for a reputable company, in most walks of life, the act of gobbing at car whilst driving would generally be met with the termination of employment (if caught on the internet). Jamie Carragher deserves his suspension for bringing the good name of Sky into disrepute (LOL). This is nothing to do with poor old footballers having to be nice people, it’s about doing something scuzzy (and being dumb enough to get caught).

The guy in the car filming? He should have his behaviour dealt with by the police. Incredibly irresponsible considering he was carrying a child in the car. A child that was telling him to stop. Unbelievable, dangerous, and a flagrant breach of the law.

The spitting thing is beyond grim. I appreciate there is a section of the fanbase that can’t understand why British people get upset with spitting. Well, how about I piss on your leg? What, you wouldn’t like that? But it’s sterile when it comes out? It is a cleaner act than hocking up hell from your lungs, so why would you not be equally breezy about that act?

Any ejaculation of bodily fluid aimed at another person in public, without written consent, is an abomination. For me, it’s worse than being punched in the face. I’D RATHER BE STABBED. Ok, too far. But spitting is disgusting. Don’t do it kids. It’s just not cool.

TOP Arsenal inside informational scooper, Sami Mokbel, has revealed Arsenal are thinking of letting fashion legend, Hector Bellerin, leave come the summer. He reckons we’ll take the £50m and invest it in a centre back, a holding midfielder and a keeper.

I don’t feel sexy about this, mostly because he’s 22 and one of the best prospects in Europe. If he knew a fantastical new manager was coming in, would he really be leaving? I have my doubts.

Also, our accounts recently revealed £140m in the coffers. Why do we need another £50m? Feels like an odd player to ship on. Especially if we were serious about kicking Wenger out.

Talking of new managers, Patrick Vieira showed that he is a respect machine, hinting that he’d love to move to Arsenal, but not until Wenger is well gone.

‘Let’s say that some day it might interest me. But one day,’ Vieira told French newspaper L’Equipe.

‘I cannot say anything more because there is nothing to say about it and I do not want to offend Arsene, whom I adore and for whom I have a lot of respect.

‘Because I know that he suffers a lot from the current results, even more than hearing what his former players say.’


That reads to me like he’d defo be interested in moving to Arsenal if Wenger gets moved on, he just doesn’t want to put pressure on his old boss like Theirry did.

There was also a very strong link from The Sun about Max Allegri wanting the Arsenal job if it came up. I think he’d be a very shrewd coach, he’d be one of the few who could mount a serious challenge on the Premier League. Check out the Juventus documentary that’s on Netflix (‘First Team: Juventus’). Fantastic to see how a club steeped in tradition and expectation deals with the pressures of professional football. Allegri comes across very well.

Right, I think that’s me done. Have yourself a fab day, and please, please, please, don’t aggressively excrete bodily fluids or solids at anyone.

Thanking you.

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  1. Guns of Hackney

    I’m not sure the chap filming his daughter being spat on was driving down the motorway…the video clearly shows both cars moving towards each other at very low speed. Isn’t it in a car park?

    Where on earth has the driving on a motorway come from? Impossible.

    Anyway, what do you expect from a Scouse schlepper? They practically invented spitting in the street.

  2. Guns of Hackney

    As for Bellend. Get rid. If someone offers £50m, take it and run. He isn’t a good player and at 22, he should have moved on. Seeing as Wenger isn’t going anywhere, it’s not as if Bellend can be improved through coaching either.

    Take the cash. Don’t let Wenger spend it.

  3. Guns of Hackney


    I’ve never been on a motorway. I take the helicopter everywhere.

    I’m usually the one spitting on people from above.

  4. Leftsidesanch

    Wouldn’t lose sleep over Bellerin leaving providing we find adequate cover. However, there are players I’d look at before him (admittedly, ta few probably wouldn’t fetch as a high a transfer fee).

    For ref – see Welbeck, Iwobi, Xhaka.

  5. shaun ellis

    the problem with Bellend is that He is not a great defender and relies on his speed which works against mid table teams but teams with real speedsters on the wing he gets destroyed and is no use against the top teams as he has to concentrate on his positioning so much that he has no offense.This is not Bellend’s fault as he gets no coaching at all and was never a defender .if they can get 50mil then my god yes take it.He is unlikely to get the coaching he needs at arsenal.let’s be honest an attacker who gets to express himself has maybe a chance to improve whilst at arsenal and that’s a 50-50 chance , a defender has no hope of improving at arsenal

  6. Leftsidesanch

    And that’s not because I rate Bellerin, it’s because as we are under-cooked in that area of the squad. I do think Bellerin has untapped potential that a competent manager could unlock.

  7. shaun ellis

    For ref – see Welbeck, Iwobi, Xhaka.

    definitely agree but I can’t see us getting much for any of those players ,I don’t see how you get more than 15 for any of the above as they are average at best but really not very good to be honest

  8. Jamie

    Bellerin isn’t the weak link in our current starting 11, Xhaka is. It would be madness to sell Bellerin at this point, even for 50m.

    He’s only 22 ffs, home-grown, on a long-term contract (2023) with just-about acceptable wages (100k, fairly high, but 5 years left to run). Same with Iwobi, Holding, and Chambers. They’re all young enough to be coached and developed into becoming better players over the next 2-3 years if we ever get rid of Wenger and replace him with someone who knows what the fuck he’s doing.

    Get rid of Xhaka and Welbeck before any more talk of selling Bellerin, please. We could probably get 15-20m for Xhaka, and 10-15m for Welbeck. Take that 30m and bank it with the rest until Wenger leaves, and give it to the next guy. Play the yoots (Holding, Chambers, AMN, Nelson, Eddie, Greek guy, Macey) until then.

    The real issue is allowing Wenger to spend any more money, which he will while he’s still in charge, throwing good money after bad.

  9. Marko

    Yeah I dunno there’s an argument to be made for keeping Bellerin and with a better manager and coaching staff you’d get better consistent performances out of him but at the same time 50 million is a lot. But then we’d still need a first choice RB as well as possibly a second choice RB and probably a LB too. Certainly others I’d ship off before him though

  10. Akilan

    Im gonna go,
    1. Pirlo
    2. Iniesta
    3. Xavi.
    The reason is simple. Xavi had Iniesta and Iniesta had Xavi. Certain Messi also played with them at the club level. Internationally that Spanish squad was too talented to not win anything. They had the likes of Cesc, Silva and Cazorla as back ups. Pirlo has pretty much won everything except the Euros and his teammates were not in the level of Spain/Barca.

  11. Akilan

    Okay I’m gonna change.
    1. Iniesta
    2. Pirlo
    3. Xavi.
    Iniesta produced way too many magical moments at the biggest stages. If Pirlo was Spanish and Xavi was Italian, I don’t think Spain/Barca wouldn’t have achieved what they did. Could Xavi have done more with what Pirlo did with Italy/Milan/Juventus? I don’t think so.

  12. Bamford10

    “When Ivan explained the ideas he has got for the club and the people he wants to bring in, it was impossible to turn it down.” – Raul Sanllehi

  13. Terraloon

    I tend to agree that selling Bellerin would be a mistake but the likes of Chambers and Holding will never cut it at the highest level no mater how much coaching they receive.
    Ok they are fine for bulking the squad but if they ever become guaranteed starters then Arsenal are in big trouble.
    Arsenal have to a large degree got away with it for years primarily because there was not a big six but a big four now with the emergence of Spurs and the improvements at Liverpool ok ish players are no longer going to be able to cover up the serious shortcomings within the squad.
    We all know a squad re build is needed but the suggestion that is being floated that the sale of Bellerin is required to part fund a rebuild is strange and whilst his performances haven’t been up there this season is that down to him failing to develop or the players he has been playing alongside?
    If as you suggest cull the current squad further, wait for a change of manger and play the “ youth” then stand by for a relegation fight.

  14. HighburyLegend

    Debauchery has been voted as february best player of Ligue 1 …

    Of course, he don’t play under kim jong anymore lol

  15. Akilan

    Transfer wise, we can’t sell Bellerin. Not yet. If we can get may be carvajal in return(swap with Real), then yes.
    We need to sell at least one of Jack/Ramsey and El neny/Xhaka. I would let Jack go and sell Xhaka for 15-20m. We need to sign a DM like Fabinho/Kovacic, both are available. Our CM replacement should be one of rabiot/Meyer/modric/isco/ doucoure. We need 2 new CBs and a goalie.
    We should absolutely sell Iwobi, Welbeck, Chambers, Holding, Xhaka, Ospina.

  16. HighburyLegend

    @Akilan : why making all those plans, knowing that le senile one will be in charge for the rest of his life ??

  17. Bamford10

    Charlie Nicholas told Sky Sports he believes Wenger will announce he is stepping aside by the end of this week.

    “However, I also have a feeling that there might be an announcement by the manager either on Friday or over the weekend to confirm that he is going to step down in the summer, perhaps going upstairs, easing the tension and allowing the team to have a go for the Europa League without the same strain.

    He knows the fans don’t hate him, they’re just angry with him, but it was the first time I’ve heard him use the word ‘hate’ and I just think he’s realising he needs to do something to ease the anger.

    I think when he looks up and sees 25,000 fans in the stadium he created that he’ll come to a decision that something has to change.”

    I would love for this to be true, but I think Nicholas has misread Arsene. Perhaps he has inside information, though.


  18. Jamie

    Terraloon –

    While Wenger is in charge, I couldn’t care less if we’re in a relegation battle. 6th or 16th, what’s the difference in the short term?

    I’m not a huge fan of Holding, Chambers, or Iwobi,, but none are older than 22 years old I don’t think. So much time/room for improvement under astute coaching.

    If we sell Bellerin in the summer, do you trust Wenger to replace him with a decent player? I wouldn’t, so we should keep the asset rather than sell and let Wenger squander the proceeds, imo. He’s also our only ‘genuine’ RB. Chambers, Mustafi, nor AMN should be played at RB, ever. We should be getting another young(ish) RB to challenge Bellerin for competition.

    All that said, Bellerin needs to improve significantly over the next couple seasons. Also, I’m not sure Barca would pay a penny more than 40m for him, and even that is a stretch. He isn’t worth that much to anyone outside the PL (due to his HG status), and who out of the top 4 would take him/would he go to?

    It’s Barca or bust, so they hold all the cards. 35m take it or leave it, if I were Barca’s director of football.

  19. Bamford10


    Agree with you re Bellerin — we should keep him — but I just wanted to note that there has been talk that Juventus are interested in him as well.

  20. Champagne Charlie

    I think what people need to appreciate with selling players is that you can’t expect to see the ones you don’t want for mega money and save everyone with a shred of potential.

    Bellerin is decent, but he’s suspect defensively and offers literally no end product. Yes, a new manager could def come in and polish both aspects of his game. But Bellerin could also chuck a wobbler and want out….again.

    Personally I’m never that invested in keeping fullbacks regardless of talent, they’re important but we’ve more important aspects of the team to worry about imo.

    Simply put I’d sell Bellerin to fund a hero CM and CB. Argument would be why can’t we keep and spend? Have to see Stan for that one.

  21. Guns of Hackney

    Bellerin isn’t worth £50m. He isn’t worth half that, so arsenal should 100% cash in. This kid has come to a grinding halt in his development and nothing he learns between now and 2022 is going to change anything.

    To get close to a £100m for him and Ramsay would be amazing!!! Throw in a few others and we’re on our way.

  22. Bamford10

    “Arsenal are currently 33 points behind the leaders. The furthest back they have ever finished in the 3-points-for-a-win era was 38 points over 42 games in 1994-95 .” – @Orbinho

  23. Jamie

    Bamford –

    If the Juve link has any legs, I’m not sure they’d offer much more than 35m for him either. I can’t think of a single club who would be prepared to offer 50m for him. Maybe City a few years ago. PSG?

  24. Bamford10

    Who do people here have playing RB if we sell Bellerin? While Bellerin isn’t perfect, he is good, he has pace, he is responsible with the ball and he doesn’t make glaring errors. No, he isn’t the most clever footballer in the attacking third, but I’m not sure that should be the key factor when assessing a RB. I don’t see the logic in selling him, unless we have a good replacement RB option that I don’t know about.

  25. Bamford10


    Sure, £35m might be the ceiling. What’s significant there, though, for me, is that a club of Juventus’s quality is interested in him. If Juventus see quality in him, I think some here might be writing him off too casually. He has pace, experience, is relatively tough-minded and he is responsible with and without the ball. There just aren’t a ton of players out there who fit that bill. As for money, we have plenty of that, and I’d sell Xhaka, Welbeck and Wilshere before I sold Bellerin.


    “Arsenal’s Héctor Bellerín a Juventus target as he seeks new challenge”

  26. Guns of Hackney


    I’m not sure if Bellerin is as quick as he was. I can’t find many positives about him…perhaps his snappy dress style and bizarre hairdo?

    Personally I’d play someone like Mustafi in the RB slot. I doubt if he could do much damage out there.

    RB’s aren’t winning you titles, that’s for sure. I’d take the cash and just chuck a body in there.

  27. Guns of Hackney


    To be fair…it hasn’t exactly worked out particularly well since 2004.

    Arsenal are a selling club. We should act like one.

  28. WengerEagle

    I’d sell Bellerin off in a heartbeat, never particularly rated the technical side of his game, bit of a pace merchant.

    Better full-backs out there for sure.

  29. Guns of Hackney

    Let’s nip this in the bud now. Eboue was pure shit. Running around like a twat, tackling your own players and smiling doesn’t constitute a good footballer. Do not let nostalgia cloud your judgment. Eboue was the on field incarnation of Wenger. A clueless douchebag.

    Eboue out.
    Bellerin out.
    Wenger out.

  30. WengerEagle

    Disagree, there was no weak link in that 2005/06 UCL side including Eboue at RB and even Flamini deputising at LB.

    Very rare not to concede a single goal all the way through the last 16, QF and SF against teams of the cailbre of Real Madrid, Juventus and Villarreal (top side at the time).

    He deserves credit for that.

  31. Bamford10


    Mustafi as RB, eh? I’ll let you defend that one. I practically got run off of Le Grove for floating that idea.

  32. Guns of Hackney

    Sorry Bamford

    I didn’t realise you pitched that idea.

    Seems like a good fit to me. He’s not good enough as a centre half but he could do a job out on the right.

    I’ll get my coat.

  33. Bamford10


    No need to apologize. The idea is all yours. I too thought it seemed sensible, but good God were certain folks here not having it.

    I do think we need more than “a body” at RB and I think those who are calling for Bellerin to be sold should tell us a bit more about who exactly they see starting there for us.

    Looks like Eboue is out.

  34. Guns of Hackney

    Mustafi at RB
    Holding at CB
    Chambers is still hanging around
    This new Greek chap.

    There are players…they just aren’t great.

    A world class keeper might help sort out the defensive issues.

  35. kristoman

    this the problem with arsenal fans. overestimating a players worth. noboboy in world football will pay 50m for bellerin.

  36. HighburyLegend

    “Arsenal are currently 33 points behind the leaders. ”

    And ?? Who cares ?? We’re fighting for the 6th sot.

  37. DM

    Would be a shame to lose Bellerin before we’ve had a chance to see how he can improve under a proper manager. No doubt he has potential and would probably go elsewhere and suddenly become amazing. It all really depends on Wenger going. Everything – literally, everything – is irrelevant if that man stays.

  38. Bamford10

    Mirror reporting that Liverpool have earned some £50 million from UEFA for their CL play in 17-18. This figure will continue to rise the further they go in Europe. That’s real money Wenger is causing us to miss out on, folks.

    Cc: Stan, Josh, Ivan

  39. Redtruth

    Arsenal have not mounted a challenge for the title since they last won it in 2004, this fact only lays the blame squarely on Wenger and not the players who come and go.

  40. Redtruth

    Arsenal have not mounted a challenge for the title since they last won it in 2004, this fact alone lays the blame squarely on Wenger and not the players who come and go.

  41. Bamford10

    “Sarri should be proud of what he has done at Napoli. He has them playing in a really beautiful way, even spectacular at times. The Scudetto race isn’t over; Napoli have 70pts, and can reach 100. So that’s the mark we need to aim for. There’s still a long way to go”.
    – Massimiliano Allegri

  42. WengerEagle

    Scudetto race is over, Napoli continue theirs and Roma’s tradition of bottling the title to Juventus.

    Real shame but Juventus are just a winning juggernaut in Italy.

  43. Champagne Charlie

    AMN at Rb is comparable to Bellerins current output.

    But if sold then we’d buy, simple as. I like Sidibe at Monaco, Pereira at Porto, Bernardo at RB Leipzig.

    Bring Jardim and let him take Sidibe and Fabinho with him, happy days. Get it done Arsenal

  44. Champagne Charlie

    Maybe instead of having to defend the possible sale of a player, those who desperately want Bellerin to stay can merit that vs reinvestment?

    Many fans see a RB with little end product, less than stellar defensive capabilities, and questionable desire to be here.

    Struggling to see the unwillingness to sell should a big offer come in. The club needs new life and some of the guys hard promised so much have ultimately not delivered what’s required. It’s e Ramsey debate all over again.

    The money you could raise through those sales could be better invested for the greater good of the team. Talented or not.

  45. Victorious

    “Bring Jardim and let him take
    Sidibe and Fabinho with him,
    happy days. Get it done Arsena”

    Do you live in Disney world,A 2 year contract for Wenger will hopefully shock you back to planet earth

  46. Carts

    Whole back 5 needs gutting. It’s that deep!

    I’m not about to shit on Bellerin, but if he is angling for a move away then we need to extract as much money out of that transfer as possible. Forget getting £50m. You’re probably looking closer to £35m with some add-ons.

    Of the top of my head there aren’t many RB I like, but Cancelo, Kimmich, Carvahal are solid, Leipzig’s Klostermann looks good.

    Let’s see what Sven does. Surely some up-start from Croatia/Serbia must be making waves

  47. Victorious

    Future of Arsenal still remains dim,struggle to see any ray of light at the end of the tunnel as long as Kroenke is still in-charge stinking the place with that weird wig and disgusting mustache

  48. Dissenter

    ” Who do people here have playing RB if we sell Bellerin? While Bellerin isn’t perfect, he is good, he has pace, he is responsible with the ball and he doesn’t make glaring errors

    ‘He doesn’t make glaring errors”?
    Why don’t you just say you like him and be done with it.

  49. Terraloon


    Iwobi is the youngest at 21, Holdings 22 and Chambers 23. I agree that players that age can improve with coaching I am just not personally convinced thaey they have the football brains to take on board what would be needed.

    Clubs that aren’t used to a relegation battle , and it’s not just the players, so when they find themselves in a dog fight often they dont have the mentality even if they are the better technical players. Far too often those that have been developed or have played at top clubs have been treated as being special so when the muck really hits the fan they often don’t know how to re act. So for me beyond the obvious there is a massive difference between 16th and 6th .

  50. Bamford10


    Because it’s a little more complicated than that. I’m not a huge fan of Bellerin’s, and I see why some don’t rate him that highly, but I also see what he offers, which is not nothing. This goes back to my point about thinking on here sometimes being too black-and-white: a player is either great or he is shit. There is a middle ground, and sometimes when building a team and assessing players, you have to be able to see that middle ground.

    Is it me or do you seem to have an issue with everything I say now simply because I didn’t agree with you about Kane and Alli? Kind of seems like the latter. You do you, though.

    I mean, look at all of other other posters this AM who have given some level of support to keeping Bellerin. Akilan, Jamie, Terraloon. But I’m the only one who gets challenged for holding a relatively mild/moderate view on the point. It’s kind of annoying.

  51. Champagne Charlie

    Arsenal aspire to be at the level of Juve, Barca, Real where you’re looking at RB’s as means of incremental improvement.

    We’re nowhere close. About time we hit reset, cashed in on the ‘potential’, and addressed the meat of the squad that’s severely lacking.

    Desperately holding onto a wantaway RB because he’s talented, while the spine is fragile af, is symptomatic of a club with middling ambition.

  52. WengerEagle

    Nobody is saying that Bellerin offers nothing though, he’s a pretty good RB but that’s all.

    Not elite and he won’t ever be close. Runs in straight lines, positionally is horrendous, has woeful end product more often than not and isn’t a particularly good footballer.

    If someone were to offer good money for him it would be a no-brainer to sell him, very replaceable.

  53. Champagne Charlie


    Have to agree, I’ve never seen a passage of play that’s made me think he’s got unreal ability. Good athlete, and potentially efficient, but never been blown away by his technique, ability in tight spaces, or general intelligence.

    If Arsenal were a juggernaut and we were only looking to replace the rubbish then Bellerin wouldn’t feature in a discussion. But that’s not us, and to enable a rebuild we have to let go of talented and valuable players who can be replaced, or aren’t as important as others. Bellerin is a prime candidate for that imo, same can be said of Ramsey.

  54. Bamford10

    I agree that we need to strengthen the spine, my question is: do we need to sell Bellerin in order to do so? And if people are talking about signing a different, better RB, won’t that cost money? How much are we really going to make net?

    Whatever. I guess if we think he’s worth 20m and see that we could get 40m for him, then it probably makes sense to sell him (provided we have a ready replacement at hand).

    But I don’t know that we will get anything like 40m for him, and I don’t know who this ready replacement is.

    However, if he truly is “want-away,” then selling might make sense simply because his head isn’t in the right place. Though maybe a new manager could change that.

    Bottom line: we need at least one CM, a CB, a GK and a wide player. If we can’t finance those from what we have — or from what we are already selling — then perhaps the Bellerin-sellers are right. Sell him and use the proceeds to strengthen where it is most needed.

  55. Bamford10


    “Not elite and he won’t ever be close.”

    Don’t get me wrong: I see his limitations, but I feel like the second part of this is a little strong. If this were the case, would Juventus be interested in him? (assuming those stories have some veracity)

  56. Redtruth

    None of George Graham’s backfour were particulary good on the ball but it’s amazing what a bit of coaching can do to bring out the best in a player.

  57. Bamford10

    Wait, Ramsey is just as expendable as Bellerin? Where does Xhaka fit into these calculations? Is he more important to us than Ramsey? Is he a better player than Ramsey?

    If we’re assessing on quality and using WE’s metric — i.e., is the player elite? can he ever be? — I’d say I would rank those three players (in order of expendability) as follows:

    1. Xhaka
    2. Bellerin
    3. Ramsey

    But maybe that’s just me.

  58. karim


    Kenny Tete plays for Lyon now, they bought him last summer along with Bertrand Traoré.

    There’s a chance we play them in the Europa league this year as both teams are likely to progress in the competition.
    Wouldn’t be too confident if so even though they’re no Atletico.

  59. Champagne Charlie

    “my question is: do we need to sell Bellerin in order to do so? “

    Yes, unless you’re expecting Stan will dip into his bank account…

    Self sufficiency involves generating your own finances. So overhauls and heavy investment needs offset somehow. Sure, selling the gash members of the squad would be terrific if they all commanded 50 mil fees, but they don’t.

    Would I sell Bellerin for 50 mil, give AMN the Rb slot and buy a defender like Koulibaly? Yes. Makes us better imo.

    Would I sell Ramsey and buy a Fabinho? Yes. Makes us better imo.

  60. Champagne Charlie

    Xhaka gets a ton of hate, so how much are we selling this ‘shit’ player for?

    Because unless he’s bringing in 45 mil you’re going to have to explain why that’s a sensible move.

  61. Dissenter

    We disagree about Kane and a lot of other issues. You’re a consummate poster that I agree with mainly. Nope, I don’t have any aggro with you.
    I’m just surprised that you rate Bellerin, that’s all. He makes mistakes too often and his offensive contributions are sub-average.
    Besides his pace, there’s nothing else except for weird looking slippers and pajama pants.
    It would be crazy to walk away if any club is dumb enough to offer 50 million for him,

  62. Champagne Charlie


    I rate Xhaka, I’m simply pointing out how the idea of selling perceived rubbish is not going to boost the coffers for incoming players.

    What it does do however is provide another hole in the squad to fill, and that’s money spent. Hence the questionable reasoning behind selling such players

  63. Guns of SF

    Morning all…
    I watched the Inter Napoli game on Sunday, and I have to say, that I like Koulibaly.
    We should get him.
    We should get a new back line completely.
    Italian style…. I know the Serie A is a little boring but those defenders were spot on tactically on Sunday for both teams.

  64. Up 4 grabs now

    None of George Graham’s backfour were particulary good on the ball but it’s amazing what a bit of coaching can do to bring out the best in a player.

    Red that’s probably the first time I’ve ever agreed with something you’ve said. 100% correct.

  65. Dream10

    Quite a number of quality players will be moving this summer. looks like we’ll be going the self financing/moneyball route. Koulibaly, Skriniar, Fabinho, Kovacic, Lemar, maybe even young Ousmane Dembele, Dybala, Lewandowski, Griezmann, Alisson, Oblak all could be changing clubs. Would be very surpeised if we’re in for that caliber of player

  66. Up 4 grabs now

    Why the rush to get rid of bellerin.
    We don’t have anyone better in the squad and if he does go and Wenger stays expect chambers or mustafi to be shunted out there.
    Arsene loves converting a player position to make him self look good.

  67. Champagne Charlie


    Yep, his shortcomings are sensationalised as is the arsenal fan way. Been very good and very bad in an Arsenal shirt, but I rate his qualities and I’d be an interested observer under proper structure and guidance.

  68. Guns of SF

    I suggest to Sven
    Get any player with the last 3 letters of their last name—-ANE

    Seems to be a good omen

  69. UTarse

    As someone said earlier, unless the fraud is banished, all this speculation on player ins and outs is futile. Do I rate bellend ? No, do I care whether he stays or leaves ? No…. nothing matters unless wenger goes first. Everything else is secondary.

  70. Up 4 grabs now

    His shortcomings are he’s slow, can’t defend, doesn’t create, rarely shoots and scores, and gives the ball away a lot. Apart from that it’s like having Vieira back!

  71. Carts

    Koulibally would be my first choice CB followed by Jimenez. Sadly, as I’ve maintained, I don’t expect any players to develop under Wenger, at all.

    Established players in the ascendancy should avoid a suicide move to Wenger’s Arsenal UNLESS they simply covet a tidy salary!

  72. Akilan

    Xhaka was always doomed to fail at Arsenal. Having watched him for almost 2 years, him, Ozil and Ramsey can’t play together. That midfield lacks balance. That’s why our performances have been either excellent or shite. When we are afforded space and allowed to turn, we produce excellent football. Otherwise we can’t play shit. Brighton deservedly beat this team. When you have Ozil, it’s a must you have two diclsciplined, defensively good midfielders. Xhaka can’t anchor the midfield and has the mobility of a road roller. He needs another DM sit besides him. Has he done anything offensively to warrant a CM place at Arsenal? No. Ramsey and even Jack has more to their offensive game than Xhaka. We need to replace him ASAP. Don’t care if we get 10m for him. We need a CM AND a DM. Our options are piss poor compared to our rivals.
    I don’t actually think he’s shite. He’s someone we don’t need. Sell him and replace him with a player that can do the dirty work for Ozil and Ramsey.

  73. Carts

    Let’s forget Wenger’s football faux pas in not knowing where the fuck Xhaka is best suited on the pitch…

    Moreover, in terms of what’s Xhaka is supposed to provide, like Ozil, he outrageously limited.

    • Poor anticipation
    • Bad positional sense
    • Lacks pace
    • Awful at tackling
    • Cant operate the right foot


    • Good left foot
    • Good striker of the ball
    • Good short passing

    For what we paid, and how many minutes he commands, he’s been a shit ROI.

  74. WengerEagle

    Like me some Koulibaly but Gimenez is different gravy, he’ll be Godin’s long-term replacement there.

    I actually think that the most talented defender on their books with the highest ceiling is Lucas Hernandez though.

  75. Akilan

    Last year, there were reports of Jose gimenez of atletico was in his last year of his contract. That means, he should be a free agent this summer? Can anybody confirm it…
    Him, Koulibaly, manolas could all move this summer. We need to bring in 1 of the above at the least.

  76. WengerEagle


    Where do you see Lewy, Dybala and Dembele moving to?

    I think that Dembele isn’t going anywhere personally, injury set him back this season and he’s looked decent since returning.

    Adds another dimension to that Barcelona attack with his electric pace and dribbling ability.

    Lewy would only go to Real Madrid, anything else would be a backwards move.

    With Ronaldo still a goalscoring juggernaut, would he settle for a subdued role there in his prime years? I don’t see it.

    Dybala loves it at Juventus by all accounts, fans adore him and he’s Serie A’s goalden boy.

    Again, would take Real Madrid or a crazy financial offer from a BPL club to shift him on.

  77. WengerEagle


    He was immense vs Bayern in the SF in 2016. Best defender on the park over the 2 legs, knew from those two performances alone that he would be top class in the future.

  78. Carts


    I’ll be very honest, if those players can help it they’d hold out for another team while Arsenal continue to fend of Burnley with Wenger & Bould doing telekinesis to discuss shit-show performances

  79. Bamford10

    Ramsey is a better CM than Xhaka is a ….. whatever he is, deep-lying CM, CDM, etc.

    Yes, we’d get more money for Ramsey — he’s a much better player — but he also gives us far more than Xhaka does as a footballer.

    What we should do is replace Xhaka with a Fernandinho type, like Fabinho; even if we only get 20m for Xhaka, at least this defrays costs, & it also relieves us of a player who isn’t good enough for the XI.

  80. Dream10

    Wenger Eagle

    can see Lewandowski at either Real, Chelsea or PSG. Morata is good but not great right now & Cavani could leave. With Lewandowski, I’m not sure it’s UCL glory but more rather just one more big payday.

    As regards to Dembele, Barcelona want Griezmann this summer. How will they fit all their expensive new toys in the same XI? Might need to balance the books a little as well.

  81. Guns of Brixton

    “Said it last summer, could not fathom how Chelsea picked Bakayoko over Fabinho to sign”

    Loooool. I know right???

  82. Akilan

    WengerEagleMarch 13, 2018 17:25:29
    Said it last summer, could not fathom how Chelsea picked Bakayoko over Fabinho to sign.

    You did mate. Is Fabinho that good? He’s their penalty taker, only that much is clear. Is he mobile? Would you be happy with us signing him?

  83. mysticleaves

    Real Madrid inquiring about Reiss Nelson. Happy times y’all

    I also thought Jimenez was in his last year too. Obviously he has a contract to 2020. He wasn’t playing much last year but he is playing now.

    The only way we have a chance IMO is if we sign Diego Simeone

  84. WengerEagle


    He’s excellent, better defensively than Bakayoko and for my money better going forward too.

    He was a RB for a good while so he’s pretty damn versatile, bit like Kimmich or Milner in that respect (Milner’s always been severely underrated imo).

    Scores goals, passes and dribbles well, physical specimen built like a Pogba/Paddy V/Yaya Toure (not quite as powerful as these three men and definitely not as dynamic) type, I’d love us to bring him in.

    Would compliment a couple of ballers in the middle of the park really well for me, like Casemiro does for Kroos and Modric.

  85. WengerEagle

    Yeah Savic was first choice for Atleti last season at CB, crazy tournaround for him considering he was deemed surplus at Man City many moons ago and was traded out for Nastasic. who looked excellent initially for them.

    Now Savic after producing a couple of excellent seasons in Italy has been a mainstay for Atleti these past couple of years, the best defence in all of Europe.

    And Nastasic has been less than impressive for Schalke.

  86. mysticleaves

    Yea, it’s crazy but Fabinho only actually started playing CM the second year he came to Monaco. Jardim bough him as a RB but he shuffled a bit into the CM role before owning it

  87. Pierre

    In your certainty that “Ramsey is a much better player than xhaka” ,what criteria do you use to come to this conclusion…try answering these questions honestly.

    1) is he is more of a team player than xhaka.
    2)is he is more diciplined than xhaka.
    3) does he retain possession better than xhaka.
    4) does he protect the defence better than xhaka .
    5) does he create more than xhaka .
    6) does he score more than xhaka.
    7)does he cover more ground than xhaka.
    Probably even …both good in that area.
    8) is he a better tackler than xhaka
    Probably even …both can’t tackle particularly well.
    9) is he better in the air than xhaka
    No…very rarely see Ramsey head the ball ( probably doesn’t want to mess his hair up)
    10)does he have better positional sense than xhaka.
    No, Ramsey is often caught too far upfield.
    11) is he more dynamic

    Also Bamford what do you regard are the 3 most important parts of a central midfielders game as that is what xhaka and Ramsey are.

    For me it’s
    1) discipline
    2) protect the defence.
    3) retain possession.

    What is important to you.

  88. mysticleaves

    Football is really crazy. You can never write off anybody.

    Pirlo was a disaster till he rocked up at Milan. And he wasn’t that good for them at the middle but he had to play left of it. Till late in his career (28/29) he picked up.

  89. englandsbest

    Agree entirely, Jamie must go. Andy Gray was fired for far less. Actually, I miss Andy, he was fun. Nowadays we are stuck with utterly boring Gary and Thierry.
    Give me Andy anytime (and Rodney too.)
    Your optimism about AFC without Wenger is enticing, we’d all like to share it. But let’s remember that Stan believes that an owner who wants to win things is bad for a club. And your question why does he need to sell Bellerin to raise money when the Club has £140 million in the bank is easily answered: he is a businessman, not a fan.
    Not that I think Arsene should stay, far from it.
    Nor do I thinkselling Belleriin is a bad idea. On the contrary. Have you you noticed the team has started to win games without him. A winger converted to a back, who still wants to be a winger. Echoes of Kenny Sammels.

  90. mysticleaves

    What do people think about Seedorf? That is people that got a proper look at him when he played? Because I saw him many times and I think his introverted nature didnt help his profile at all as he was an excellent footballer. Almost never wasted a ball in midfield.

  91. Pierre

    “. When you have Ozil, it’s a must you have two diclsciplined, defensively good midfielders. ”

    Definitely….xhaka is not mobile enough and Ramsey is not Diciplined enough and neither are good tacklers so it’s not exactly a midfield made in heaven is it…

    Wilshere and elneny are the other options and though elneny plays the midfield role well ,he is not top class is he and Wilshere though technically and tactically good is probably not physically strong enough for the centre mid role so we really need to find 2 quality central midfielders ..

  92. champagne charlie

    His shortcomings are he’s slow, can’t defend, doesn’t create, rarely shoots and scores, and gives the ball away a lot. Apart from that it’s like having Vieira back!”

    My point proven.

  93. WengerEagle


    He’s a hall of famer and will always be remembered for being a part of Champions League winning sides at Real Madrid, AC Milan and Ajax, only ever player to win it at 3 different clubs if I’m not mistaken?

    Unbelievable longevity, played at the highest level for literally 20 years between his time at Ajax, Real Madrid, Inter Milan, AC Milan and Botafogo back in Brazil where he ended it all.

    I only witnessed him in his AC Milan days, was a top class player.

    Not transcendent though, his name won’t last the test of time like 99% of the top players don’t after people who witnessed them.

    Generational players are exactly that, once in a generation.

    Pele (60’s), Cruyff (70’s), Maradona (80’s), Ronaldo9/Zidane (90’s), Messi/Ronaldo (2000’s).

  94. champagne charlie

    “Ramsey is a better CM than Xhaka is a ….. whatever he is, deep-lying CM, CDM, etc.”

    No he’s not. Obviously the idea of what a CM offers the side is vastly different in your eyes.

  95. Carts


    I can’t remeber HErnandez to clearly the 2016 semis but I have seen him fill in when both Godin and Savic were unavailable.

    AM should be tying down Jimenez and Hernandez to cemented deals. They’re the future

  96. WengerEagle

    That’s an interesting topic actually, which footballers have had the biggest tournarounds in their careers and contrary to that, the biggest fall from grace?

    Biggest fall from grace for me has to include Radamel Falcao and Fernando Torres.


    Biggest tournarounds a bit tougher, any suggestions?

    I’ll get the ball rolling, Didier Drogba.

    Hopeless Ligue 2 CF until he was 24/25 years old.

  97. Carts

    Monaco’s saquad was getting pieces off for fun. My understanding is that Monaco made it abundantly clear that Fabinho wasn’t going anywhere.

    I believe the asking price was north of £60m, wth only PSG desperately retarted enough to pay it, having already bought Neymar and agreed, in principle, to meet Mbappe’s fee next season.

    In hindsight the cost of Baka and Drinkwater was what it would’ve taken to buy Fabinho. Clearly quantity over quality was the agenda, then.