Arsene back with a bang, the fight for his career back on!

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Via @Arsenal Instagram

Via @Arsenal Instagram

Things have been so bad this year, I don’t quite know what to do with a good story?

Arsenal turned over Milan in their own backyard. I think I correctly called this the other day, because I know the Wenger story never really ends.

I was confident the hype bus was a little out of control, the Italians spent a lot of money on a lot of average players. So though their form has been impressive, and they’ve scalped some big teams, I didn’t think they’d cause us a problem. We have too many good players who’d be up for an away day against a legendary team. So it proved right, high on great food and fine fashion, we secured a great win in one of the worlds great footballing capitals.

We controlled the game start to finish, never looking in trouble. It was odd. We kind of Milan’d Milan. The first goal came from Mikki. Ramsey blocked a bad pass, Jack Wilshere picked up the loose ball and played it back to the Welshman, he laid off Ozil who first time clipped over the defence into the path of Mikki on the left side of the Milan area, he shimmied inside and ripped a fizzing shot in off a defender leaving Donnaruma no chance.

Arsenal going a goal up early was exactly what the team needed after a torrid run of away form. The nerves were settled, the thunderous pressing we were expecting didn’t land, and Milan was a long way off the pace.

Most of their chances came from sloppy keeping from Ospina. The Colombian nearly gave away a penalty, was super sketchy from corners, and just looked like he was desperate to concede. He was our only weak spot outside some painful finishing. I was tapping out my ‘we could pay for this’ tweet, but I needn’t have bothered. We finished the half strong. The goal was all about Ramsey, he flicked a Mustafi ball inside right into Welbeck, the Englishman sensibly spotted and played in Ozil who timed a perfectly weighted pass for the run of Aaron. The turbocharged midfielder rounded one of the best keepers in the business like Messi. A casual reminder he can be pretty devastating when he’s on form.

The second half was very composed. It was Arsenal behaving like an experienced Champions League team in an away game, the sort of performance we’ve generally lacked in away games in the Champions League. We weren’t overly adventurous, everyone looked like they knew their job and the centre-backs did a terrific job mopping up with very little drama to speak of.

Up front, Danny Welbeck worked tirelessly, but as usual, goals and end product were sadly amiss. I love the guy, but the ‘he always falls over’ talk in the Italian papers before the game was absolutely spot on. He blew some serious chances, that jokes aside, could cost us in the second leg. You can’t make a living running around and tiring out defenders. At least not at our level.

All in all, a very good game. If we can’t qualify with 2 away goals, then Wenger needs to be double fired at the end of the season.

So the good news is we’re back to winning ways. The team kept a clean sheet, played well away from home, and played some pretty exciting football at times. This should likely be a turning point in our season. We have a run of pretty easy games coming up, so there’s no reason for misery to continue.

My worry is Milan were naive. They didn’t show up. They didn’t attack us, they gave us far too much space and they tried to play us at our game which never works when your players are substandard. Watford might not give us that much respect at the weekend. We’re still fragile until we start winning in England on a more consistent basis. Hopefully the February blues can truly be banished with a beasting of Troy Deeney.

Turning the joy down a notch, as I mentioned before the game, a win against Milan doesn’t paper over the fact that Wenger is finished. If he wins the Europa, which is still a massive task, it should be the crowning glory of a fabulous career. The club needs to resist making an emotional decision if the best happens.

I know I should just let people enjoy the moment, and I’m not saying I didn’t love that performance yesterday. I’m merely pointing out that a Europa League win for Wenger is like being told you’ve had a last minute stay of execution whilst walking the green mile. No one is going to tell you not to celebrate that. However, reality will soon hit hard when you realize you have to share a cell with Big Horny Steve for the rest of your life. Wenger is Steve, you’ll regret the win if it means 5 more years of him.

Still, the two scenarios can coexist. The numbers and the data clearly point towards this being a disastrous season. We’d be even worse off if the team was playing a full-strength team in Europe. I’m sure the club know that. If Wenger wins, there’s no reason the club can’t still force him out of the club, just like Liverpool did with Kenny Dalglish before welcoming the mighty Brendan Rodgers. Imagine if exactly the same situation happens with us… I’ll be begging to bunk with Big Steve.

Right, that’s me done, see you in the comments!

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  1. HighburyLegend

    “a win against Milan doesn’t paper over the fact that Wenger is finished.”

    Really ??
    It’s funny but that is not the impression your post is giving…

  2. MrT

    Milan created some chances that if they had been week taken would have at the very least earned them a draw. Still a great win anyways. Shout out to Ospina though.

  3. peter

    DM..congrats man. you’ve become the Real Madrid champions league legrove trophy. I waited and waited then you spoil my Friday!!
    But hey Arsenal won in what looked like a year since our last win.
    Kudos to the guys for the result but that does not mean we keep Wenger beyond this summer.

  4. Pierre

    Ufraud..

    “Little p,
    Leaving Ozil out of games whereby we may expect less possession ? Don’t play him when we may expect a physical game ? Are you serious ? What an idiotic viewpoint.”

    Is it ?

    I said the manager needs to recognise that there are certain games away from home that ozil is ineffective because for ozil to produce his best football , the team needs good possession of the ball …I see nothing wrong in leaving him out against city and Liverpool away from home as they are two high pressing teams and he can be used as a 2nd half sub to utilise the extra space as the game slows down .

    .I never mentioned leaving him out of physical games ,they were your fraudulent words.

  5. mano'gunner

    This is a bad result in the long run especially if we win the cup and Wenger gets his stay. Wanting the club to lose is really sad but this is the situation we are in and we have to look at the end result which is getting Wenger out. This is a necessary evil. I’ll just point out this delayed gratification experiment to show that this is the right choice:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_marshmallow_experiment
    There is nothing good to be gained from a good run that leads to Wenger staying beyond this season. Does anyone here still seriously believe Wenger can turn this around?

  6. zaco

    DM, you certainly deserve an award for your consistency.
    a deserved 3 point yesterday but we still need a change of manager

  7. Elmo

    This is what we’re dealing with:

    BBC Sport
    “Jack: As a devoted Arsenal fan I think it’s disgraceful how our fans are demanding Wenger to leave. I was Wenger out as well until last night but that result changed my mind completely. Shows Wenger still is a class act who can take Arsenal forward.”

    How many more of the invertebrate floating middle flipped back last night?

  8. Paulinho

    The point is even when Ozil gets possession in these games away from home, he’s absolute shit. Timid, takes the easy option too often. You wouldn’t mind him seeing less of the ball if he actually did any remotely useful when did he get it.

  9. Emiratesstroller

    Pedro

    What will be interesting is that Arsenal have now got 4 home games on the trot assuming that the Leicester game is not rescheduled in the next three weeks.

    The first game is against Watford this weekend. How will we perform against this physically strong side?

    The main lesson from yesterday is that Ramsey does add something to our midfield, which is lacking with most of the other midfielders. For all the compliments Wilshire is lightweight and easily taken off the ball as we saw on at
    least two or three occasions yesterday and in previous games against Man City and Brighton.

  10. Paulinho

    “How many more of the invertebrate floating middle flipped back last night?”

    Well that penis Ozrus for a start. Plenty more of course.

  11. HighburyLegend

    “Shows Wenger still is a class act who can take Arsenal forward.”

    looooooooooooooool ze quote of the century so far.

  12. Wallace

    love how crazy football can be. four straight defeats, confidence in the shitter, playing a team undefeated in 2018, and that happens. doesn’t change anything, obviously, just highlights Wenger’s inability to extract the maximum from these players.

  13. Leftsidesanch

    “Shows Wenger still is a class act who can take Arsenal forward.”

    Comments like these reinforce my belief that we have the dumbest fanbase in world football. Milan’s good form was talked up, as well as our dire form. In reality, AC Milan nowadays are on par with Leicester, Everton and Burnley. We aren’t hugely better than these sides but we should still putting them away.

    I wouldn’t fancy Arsenals chances against Athletico, RP etc.

  14. DivineSherlock

    Leftsideanch

    We can only beat whats in front of us. Last night it was Milan. 13 games unbeaten. We were on our worst form since 1922. We beat them fair and square. If Atletico were so good they’d be in UCL. Respect the performance , dont degrade it.

  15. gonsterous

    any one who thinks that last night’s win means wenger can stay another season needs to have their heads checked. ASAP

  16. raptora

    Good game and great win away vs a sleeping giant team on the rise with an extremely hungry manager in charge. Not many bad words can be said about our performance last night. We did extremely well.

    Ramsey has devastating runs and in front of goal he can make the difference for us. I am not going back to the Ramsey vs Wilshere argument, but Jacky went in some pretty good offensive positions last night and absolutely nothing came out of it in the end. It did stop us from putting more numbers in our goals scored stat. Imagine if he was good as Ramsey going forward, he’d be a way better player. You could clearly see that he felt uncomfortable with the ball in his feet deep in the enemy half and in their penalty area. If he could improve on that, he’d be a player and a half.

    I think we were good in every line and especially our CBs and Ozil + Mikki deserve a mention.

    I’m leaning more towards the opinion that we made Milan look average than Milan made us look top class. This was an extremely important game for them and their fans, they came on the back of super results for them, but we were on our game and didn’t give them many chances.

    Our fast attacks in the first half were an absolute joy to watch with Mikki’s attempt hitting the cross bar being the best of the rest.

    The defending in the second half was good, especially happy we didn’t bother to just kick the ball forward at times, which is all you need to do in some hairy situations. I think we were well organized but even when you have 2 or 3 players going for the counter attack, you’d hope they can come up with something special going forward. Say Costa, Hazard, Willian/Pedro from last season’s Chelsea didn’t need too much of the ball to instill riot in the enemy team. Welbeck, Ozil, Mikki looks a mile away on power and speed.

    Danny ofc is our third striker atm, so he played as he is expected to. From what I saw of him this season he doesn’t have what it takes so it would not be a bad thing to move him on. If he is okay to be third option though, there are worse option that cost a lot of dough in the current market.

  17. Wallace

    “Shows Wenger still is a class act who can take Arsenal forward.”

    sounds like Untold’s version of Red trolling everyone…

  18. Frankie Coffeecakes

    “How many more of the invertebrate floating middle flipped back last night?”

    You can start with the Implausible Three who pretend to want Wenger out, but really are only here because they love being little shits.

    You know them – Pethair, Asstorious, and NorthernGoof.

  19. Leftsidesanch

    And Athleti were at least in the CL this season before dropping down. They’re also a well drilled team who play with professional pride.

    Yesterday’s performance was much improved from our recent showings but we’re not a consistent enough outfit to be taken seriously at this stage. For every good performance v a Milan see it offset by a horrific Premier League performance so excuse me for me not being so enamoured by this victory.

  20. raptora

    I’d only piss my pants if we play Atleti. Against the other teams we should in paper have 50% or over 50% to progress. Nothing to lose your sleep for.

    Still a long, long way to a potential cup. Need to bring back to winning ways and get some confidence back. Hard to happen with Wenger making this team super inconsistent.

  21. Frankie Coffeecakes

    Simple question and thought. Why cant Arsenal play like yesterday all the time? Oh yeah thats right, cause we dont play Milan 38 times a season.

    Dont get me wrong, take the two away goals, clean sheet and go home and prepare for the second leg. It’s infuriating that this team has the ability to play like this but seemingly only when they feel like it. In the end they are a team that is very difficult to get behind to support. They dont make things easy on themselves.

  22. gonsterous

    if last night proved anuthing, is that this arsenal team needs Ramsey in the side if they want results. sure, he’s not the best positional aware player but he offers a lot offensively… I apologize for all the ramsay hate I have given in the past…

  23. raptora

    Would be interesting if RB Leipzig and RB Salzburg face each other in the quarters or further. Not sure when was the last time I saw two teams owned by the same company go head to head in a very important cup tie.

  24. Guns of Hackney

    Predictable.

    Milan are garbage. They have been for a long time. It’s a bit like beating Nottingham Forest (even though we didn’t) and saying “beat the twice European Champions”…nope.

    Arsene did what Arsene does. Hide. He doesn’t need to do anything apart from lay low and wait for the inevitable next victory. He resurfaces and proclaims “we’re back”. He’s been doing this forever.

    I said it a little while back. Arsene is NEVER one game away from the sack but he is ALWAYS one game away from a new contract.

    Arsene is a terrible, terrible manager but a better manipulator you will never find.

    The Milan victory is the worst thing that could have happened.

  25. HighburyLegend

    “Arsene is NEVER one game away from the sack but he is ALWAYS one game away from a new contract. ”

    Well said.

  26. Park Chu-young's left testicle

    It’s a shame that even if Wenger goes at the end of the season we have to put up with the whining Ozil. I hope the new man at the helm (ooh, er!) drops him from the first eleven.

  27. Guns of Hackney

    Let’s say arsenal win the Europa.

    A new contract 100%

    Semi / runner up

    A new contract 85%

    Imagine walking through a desert, close to death…all of a sudden drinking urine doesn’t seem that bad, does it?

    That’s Arsene’s arsenal. Starved and close to death for so long, any glimmer of light or hope is ceased upon and packaged up as a “victory”.

    Make no mistake, beating this terrible Italian team will mean Arsene can dine out on it for a long time.

  28. Buckhurst Gun

    Question : if we by some miracle got to the final and faced Atletico abut atletico finish 2nd in La Liga , would we still get champs league place ?

    If that’s the case then it’s another thing that could bite us in the arse and hand wenger a reprieve

  29. Guns of Hackney

    Growing up, AC Milan was my ‘second team’. Seeing my favourite player of all time (Van Basten) was a dream. In my opinion, that AC Milan would have beaten any Barca team you could put out. A truly great side.

    That abomination last night was a parody.

    Once again, Arsene fell on his feet. There is always a shit club just around the corner that can restore confidence.

    Fuck you milan.

  30. UTarse

    Little p,
    “, Away from home they offer no protection and özil is too weak a player to withstand the physical side.”

    You’re full of yourself which is utter shit that you spout. You are calling for our “marquee” player to be left out against physical teams and teams whereby we have less possession. In the premiership that’s atleast half of our games as you put it , it’s away from home where we will experience such teams and have less referee protection. Fraudulent my arse, take a look in the mirror you numpty.

  31. raptora

    Buck,
    “If the UEFA Europa League holders have qualified for the group stage via their domestic championship, the vacancy will be filled by the third-placed club from the association ranked fifth (France), who otherwise compete in the league path”

  32. Bamford10

    There are plenty more bad results and bad performances to come, and there is very little chance we win the Europa. One win against a very mediocre, 7th-placed AC Milan does not, and will not, save Arsene Wenger.

  33. steve

    “The turbocharged midfielder rounded one of the best keepers in the business like Messi. A casual reminder he can be pretty devastating when he’s on form.”

    ___

    When he’s on form? You mean whenever he feels like showing up? Ozil is such a fraud of a player. 350k a week? Lolololol.

  34. Kenyangunner

    I sort of like Ospina. Unpredictable but capable of pulling crucial saves too.
    He is much quicker in the sweeper role.

  35. Guns of Hackney

    Donnerauma or whatever, looks great when playing against powderpuff Italian forwards. Let’s in two, at home against our utterly pathetic frontline? Sheesh. No thanks.

    I said if Milan lose against us, Gattuso should be sacked. He should. Miserable display from the Rangers man.

  36. Bamford10

    “When you have big disappointments you forget quickly that you have some qualities. In one week, you do not become a bad team or a bad player.”
    – Wenger after last night’s match

    What a fraud.

  37. Jim Lahey

    I thought Ramsey showed great composure in front of goal to take his chance last night, I would honestly consider playing him up front instead of Danny Welbeck.. can’t be any worse!

  38. Guns of Hackney

    Perhaps Wenger uses his ill gotten salary from arsenal to pay off certain opposition managers?

    Conte
    Gattuso

    Just when he’s on the ropes, the other team fails to show up.

    Bribery bastard.

  39. Guns of Hackney

    “In one week”

    And there it is.

    The fourteen proceeding years are comprehensively whitewashed.

    What a Kante!

  40. Jim Lahey

    Also if I was Granit Xhaka I would be looking to stay in Italy.. the slow ponderous play there seems to suit him a lot more.

  41. Wallace

    “Growing up, AC Milan was my ‘second team’. Seeing my favourite player of all time (Van Basten) was a dream. In my opinion, that AC Milan would have beaten any Barca team you could put out. A truly great side.”

    very close, but I think Pep’s Barca side would have had the edge on them. Milan’s midfield was quite ordinary in comparison to its defence & attack, whereas Xavi/Iniesta the heart of that great Barca side.

  42. Jim Lahey

    Was anyone else as impressed with Kovačić the other night as I was? Watched the game and was day dreaming of a Kovačić/Rabiot midfield pairing!!

  43. Leftsidesanch

    “In one week, you do not become a bad team or a bad player.”

    Said with a straight face I bet. Even though we have been poor for the majority of the season he puts it down to one week and then blames the results on us having many games.

    Those journos at the pressers at cowards too. He’s allowed to say all of this unchallenged.

  44. steve

    Funny how Wallace pops up again. Been missing for a while now. Almost had to file a missing persons report. One win and he’s back lol.

  45. Rambo Ramsey

    “In one week, you do not become a bad team or a bad player.”

    Wenger is spot on. The decay he’s overseeing has been brewing for a decade.

  46. Jim Lahey

    Adrien Rabiot out of contact with PSG summer 2019… we should be tapping him up like its going out of fashion!

  47. Rambo Ramsey

    ‘Adrien Rabiot out of contact with PSG summer 2019… we should be tapping him up like its going out of fashion!’

    The French Granit Xhaka? No thanks

  48. Jim Lahey

    @Rambo Ramsey –

    “The French Granit Xhaka? No thanks”

    I am guessing you have never watched the guy play…

  49. Rambo Ramsey

    Jim, Adrien Rabiot is not suited for this league. Sneer at me all you want, I remember people-and there were plenty of them-calling for Xhaka to be signed and then celebrated his signing.

    I remember being mocked in this exact fashion when I called him Denilson mk II and predicted he’d be useless

  50. Jim Lahey

    @Rambo –

    “I remember people-and there were plenty of them-calling for Xhaka to be signed and then celebrated his signing.”

    Adrien Rabiot is a box-to-box midfielder, Granit Xhaka is (meant to be..) a deep lying play maker, they are two completely different players…..

  51. Rambo Ramsey

    ‘Adrien Rabiot is a box-to-box midfielder, Granit Xhaka is (meant to be..) a deep lying play maker, they are two completely different players…..’

    Right and both don’t have the attributes to shine in PL. Not in my opinion atleast

  52. Jim Lahey

    @Rambo –

    “Right and both don’t have the attributes to shine in PL. Not in my opinion atleast”

    You are absolutely entitled to your opinion!

  53. Jim Lahey

    I personally think he would be a great fit for the club especially with a player like Kovačić alongside him.

  54. NorthernGoon

    steve the the chav cunt

    ‘“The turbocharged midfielder rounded one of the best keepers in the business like Messi. A casual reminder he can be pretty devastating when he’s on form.”

    ‘___When he’s on form? You mean whenever he feels like showing up? Ozil is such a fraud of a player. 350k a week? Lolololol.’

    He was talking about Ramsey you fucking dick. Have you not jumped off that very high bridge head first yet?

  55. raptora

    How did Pep make a super solid midfield of Fernandinho, KdB and David Silva? Anyone would say that this trio is waaaay too offensive to work in the EPL. It reminds me of their now legendary midfield of Busquets, Xavi, Iniesta and even they look a tone more defensive than the Man City trio.

    In the Premier league time correct me if I’m wrong but it was always about a solid duo of players in the midfield who are very good in the defensive side of the game. Keane and Scholes; Vieira and Petit/Gilberto/Edu; Makelele and Essien; Carrick and Fletcher; Kante and Matic.

    Guardiola, in addition to breaking some records, have already changed the game in England. What a manager.

  56. Jim Lahey

    @Raptora –

    “What a manager.”

    Great manager, would love to see him take on an actual challenge for his next role though.

  57. Emiratesstroller

    I see that McGuane has had a serious go at Arsenal and Wenger following his
    move to Barcelona. Earlier this week he played for first team!

    McGuane criticised Wenger for lack of opportunity but more importantly failing to communicate with him. He commented on the poor level of development at Arsenal.

    That seems to be a recurring message coming out of the club and the increasing number of players who want to leave us for similar reasons.

    It was a similar story that I heard from a Sports Journalist. It raises questions
    as to what are exactly the benefits of holding on to Wenger. When you watch him at games there is virtually no communication with any coaches or playing
    staff.

  58. Pierre

    Ufraud
    Strange that all season I have been defending ozil and reminding all on here how good ozil is(and was roundly criticised for it)and how he is my favourite player in the side but as soon as I mention that I would leave him out for a couple of away games (city and Liverpool) because he is ineffective against the high press and when our possession percentage is low we have people like Ufraud coming to ozil’s defence and now he is our marquee player …..what a plum.

  59. Victorious

    Left side
    “AC
    Milan nowadays are on par with
    Leicester, Everton and Burnley.
    We aren’t hugely better than these
    sides but we should still putting
    them away.”

    I recall you were hugely confident of a Milan win but now we’ve blown them away is because they are on par with Everton, Leicester and the likes?give me a break you hypocritical asswipe

    “I wouldn’t fancy Arsenals chances
    against Athletico, RP etc.

    Lol,Like you didn’t fancy us against Milan?,halt embarrassing yourself mate and stop talking,makes you look daft

  60. Pierre

    Steve
    “Funny how Wallace pops up again. Been missing for a while now. Almost had to file a missing persons report. One win and he’s back lol.”

    Are you feeling ok ,I am getting a bit worried about you ….one whole sentence and no mention of the c word .

  61. jasongms

    @wallace

    Milan’s midfield
    Albertini, Ancelotti, Donadoni, Gullit and Rijkaard

    Come again… The most consummate team in the history of the CL
    ______________

    Btw nothing changes, Wenger has to go regardless of any Europa League heroics

  62. Leftsidesanch

    Victorious,

    You’ve got your badman pants on today? Ironically your name is Victorious yet you log on here aggressively goading anyone who’s views don’t align with yours in regard to your master – Wenger. The biggest underachieving loser to manage a big club.

    Your like a F-Grade opposite to Redtruth. Not even worth another response – run along boy.

  63. HighburyLegend

    Our pal Vicuntious dare to compare a declining Milan side to the brilliant Atletico, laughable to say the least.

  64. Steveyg87

    How f**king poor were Milan last night? Completely static going forward and too casual with the ball, the game was a snore fest, this is what happens we you have two crap midfields competing against each other. Gattuso didn’t do his home work. 3 simple steps to beating Arsenal 1. rough them up 2. pressure us when in possession 3. attack our full backs that are constantly out of possession

  65. jasongms

    Anyone stating you leave a Player that is on 350,000 pounds a week out of any away games because those games might be too mentally or physically hard for said player, really does need to re-evaluate the concept of capital and capital investment.
    The whole reason clubs pay player’s top dollar is because there is a level of expectation and they are being paid accordingly, and not because they can’t produce in hard away games but producing (at the required level) in spite of hard away games.
    Imagine paying an employee an executive salary and only expecting them to perform menial jobs or working when they felt up for it.
    Fcuking nonsensical arguments.

    In the case of Ozil, he isn’t producing the quality of work for the capital invested. Never has and most likely never will, especially if Wenger remains

  66. Bamford10

    “I would invite some people to watch some games again, we have not been as disastrous as some people have said.” – Wenger this morning

    God, I loathe this man.

  67. jasongms

    “Football is first about values”

    Oh not that old chestnut, thought he would be saving those pearls of wisdom come the Europa League exit.

    Reporter,”so what went wrong today Arsene, you’re out of the Europa League?”

    Wenger, ” you must remember football is first about values!”

  68. Bamford10

    “It’s not the person they hate; they hate the manager who doesn’t deliver the performance,” Wenger told Sky Sports News.

    No, Arsene, we hate YOU. You are the problem, and we want you to go.

  69. Bamford10

    Wenger honestly might have Borderline Personality Disorder. Something is definitely wrong with him. No normal person could possibly believe all of the utter bullshit that comes out of his mouth.

  70. Redtruth

    Where are the cries for change.
    Fans should be shouting from the rooftops
    ” You can stick your Milan win where the sun don’t shine, we want change!”

  71. Rambo Ramsey

    “I would invite some people to watch some games again, we have not been as disastrous as some people have said.” – Wenger this morning

    With an ambitionless, loser manager like this, you can see why players only bother giving their all once in a blue moon

  72. Redtruth

    Bamford

    Instead if calling for nuisance posters to be binned why don’t you call for Pedro/Peter to be banned.
    Pedro/Peter flip flopping is embarrassing.

  73. Marko

    A bit of perspective is needed. While Milan have improved recently they’re still 7th in Serie A and not a patch on the Milan of old. It’s only a remarkable result because we’ve been THAT bad recently. It doesn’t take much for certain types to flip flop and with our next 4 games at home it stands to reason that soon we shall be hearing one Arsene Wenger sung once more. Unless we play a half decent team at home then we could lose obviously

  74. Champagne Charlie

    “The point is even when Ozil gets possession in these games away from home, he’s absolute shit. Timid, takes the easy option too often. You wouldn’t mind him seeing less of the ball if he actually did any remotely useful when did he get it.“

    2 assists away at Milan, but if only he did something useful when he got the ball eh….

    I’m sure his vision and intelligence will improve when he’s fitter. Spatula

  75. Bamford10

    Marble

    Pedro is “Wenger out” and hasn’t wavered from this. Yes, his mood and sense of optimism/pessimism fluctuate a lot, and yes, he talks about Wenger in a gentler, more centrist tone than many of the rest of us, but the latter is because he is writing for a larger and more general audience than the rest of us.
    Few of us, for example, would describe Wenger winning the Europa title as “the crowning glory of a fabulous career,” but Pedro is clearly trying to adopt a centrist line. Again, he is writing for a larger audience, so this is not all that surprising.

    I have an idea, though: if you think Pedro deserves criticism, why don’t you criticize him?

    In reality he is just trying to adopt a reasonable centrist line that remains “Wenger out” while being “respectful”. This is unsurprising.

  76. Bamford10

    “Wenger is only in football for VALUES. He hates the money in the game and obsession with winning. His values: taking one of the biggest salaries in football, yet [for the past ten years] never coming close to winning PL.”
    – @tyrant_wenger

    Selling AFC down river + his soul to a US capitalist in exchange for a job for life

  77. UTarse

    Little p,
    I see the lack of intelligence has never really left your side. I wasn’t saying what a great player ozil is, I was highlighting your idiotic comment that we leave out our star player because some teams play with more possession than us or if they have a physical approach. I see you finally looked at the mirror and saw that plum.

  78. Bamford10

    Marble

    Not if you were fair or respectful.

    Who cares, though? He doesn’t deserve criticism. Save that for those who are in one way or another still giving support to Wenger.

  79. Bamford10

    “Clear problems behind scenes. Xhaka telling Wenger to F.ck off isn’t right. Xhaka seemed to have a brain transplant last night as he played well, save for the shot at the end.” – @TimHardwick

    Several people have commented on this: when you watch replay of Xhaka shooting 20 feet over the bar and Wenger standing to yell at him, you can see Xhaka mouth the words “fuck off” to Wenger and you can see Ramsey smirk.

    Poor atmosphere within the camp, clearly.

  80. WengerEagle

    ‘I remember being mocked in this exact fashion when I called him Denilson mk II and predicted he’d be useless’

    Yeah half a year after we signed him, granted he’s shit but let’s not pretend that a bunch of people called that he’d be crap before he put pen to paper when it’s revisionism at its finest.

  81. Bamford10

    Rabiot is quite good. Mobile, technical, performs well in big games against the best teams. See his performance, for example, against Madrid in the first leg in Madrid. He has little to nothing in common with Xhaka, except for the fact, I guess, that he doesn’t play in the PL.

    Treating the two as though they are similar players much less identical players is complete nonsense.

    I didn’t think all that much of Rabiot when I first watched him. But since then he has been far more convincing. Good player. Way, way better than a Xhaka, not to mention they play a different role (Rabiot is a B2B).

  82. Bamford10

    WE

    I didn’t suggest he was unintelligent. I suggested he has a personality disorder. If you look at the things he says, it’s clear that no reasonable person could possibly believe all of that bullshit. Now, I guess you could conclude that he’s just trolling his critics, that he doesn’t really believe the things he’s saying, but I’m not sure about that. To me, he seems like he genuinely believes the bullshit that comes out of his mouth.

  83. WengerEagle

    Yeah don’t agree at all on Rabiot either, for me he’s excellent and much more mobile than Xhaka, can also play on the half turn.

    Not sure he’s defined his CM role yet for himself, he’s still very young at 22. Personally think that he’s best dictating and driving from deep as a B2B, he doesn’t have the goalscoring knack to play more advanced.

    ION, anybody else been disappointed by Verratti’s lack of improvement these last couple of seasons? He’s 25 now but imo he’s no better a player than he was in 2015 or 2016. Still obviously quality but he hasn’t kicked on in the way that was expected of him from the likes of Xavi and co.

  84. WengerEagle

    Bamford

    Like any decent bullshit artist, he LOOKS like he does believe that things that come out of his mouth, no way that he truly does.

    It’s a combo of him being quite media savvy and of journalists in general lacking the balls to really challenge him/put him to task with their line of questioning. Only couple of times that he has been put under scrutiny (Jacquai Oatley after the 2-2 Emirates Hull draw a few years ago and Jake Humphreys BT interview with him, think it was last season) the press go very easy on him, largely out of pity IMO.

    Just watch how Klopp and Conte get questioned after a couple of bad performances in contrast to AW.

  85. Paulinho

    Oh look, dumbo Charlie thinks Milan away represents the same level of difficulty as Liverpool away, Old Trafford away, Stamford Bridge away……

  86. mysticleaves

    “We did not have the right mentality right from the get go,” Bonucci told Sky Sport Italia. “We were a little scared since we are so young. Let’s hope we learn from this.”

    lol. Marvelled at our players. this shitty Milan.

  87. mysticleaves

    Red, The deflection took away the assist just like Ramsey dribbling the keeper took away the second assist right? lol

  88. mysticleaves

    “Football is first about values, if I can leave that behind me and that maybe somewhere people respect that Arsenal is [not only] about winning or losing, but as well about what is important in the game,” he said.
    “My regret personally is that has gone completely underwater. You don’t speak about that anymore, it’s only about the side of the game that is important but is not essential.”

    Seriously, can someone here make out what he’s trying to say? Is this not the full text from that question? Cos the two paragraphs aren’t making sense and I am genuinely serious

  89. Micheal

    Mystic:
    “Seriously, can someone here make out what he’s trying to say? Is this not the full text from that question? Cos the two paragraphs aren’t making sense and I am genuinely serious.”

    It is the similar to when Maybot Teresa May begins a sentence by saying: “Let me be clear….” In her case she means the opposite. In Wenger’s case, it is a puzzle.

  90. Zfree

    Wait a second, Xhaka telling Wenger to fuck off is amazing. It’s be terribly disfunctional but pretty hilarious if the players basically banded together and said “Wenger, Fuck you. We’re going to train how we want, listen to Bouldy about defending, play on the pitch how we want, you just sit there and spout whatever you want to the press when the mic is thrust in your face. We’ll take it from here.”

    That’s probably/definitely not happening though, meaning maybe Xhaka will finally be dropped. We all know master weng doesn’t tolerate being questioned, maybe that long range shot attempt and the casual fuck off to follow will mean he’s gotta at least work for the starts instead of being a shoe in every freaking game.

  91. Dream10

    Thought Ospina did well yesterday. Fair to play to him as I am quick to criticise him. Cech doesn’t have the speed or anticipation to get to the ball before Kalinic like he did. Chambers was technically proficient on the right as well. He’s probably our best passing centreback. Shame he’s so athletically deficient. Ozil’s vision is superb. Thought Mkhitaryan and Ramsey were our two best performers. Need them to get forward into the box, as Aubameyang, Lacazette or Welbeck don’t produce a high volume of shots. Watford will be more difficult. PL teams have more intensity than Milan/Juve, which is our achilles heel.

  92. Zfree

    Dream

    I didn’t see it honestly, just saw a few comments on here about it. Realistically, Xhaka is probably a Wenger yes-man so he keeps his guaranteed spot.

  93. Guns of Brixton

    Calling it now

    Liverpool will win the League Next year.
    (Pending a GK)

    ….or at least finish 2nd.

  94. N'gambo

    Give it up Pedro with your endless PR bullshit.

    We’re playing in the Europa League – not the Champions League.

    We’re 6th (and maybe 7th) in the EPL.

    The team is a disjointed mess, that reflects Wenger’s state of mindlessness. Compare it to the cohesiveness of Pep Guardialo’s team.

    How long are we going to tolerate this worthless madman who hasn’t won anything of significance for 14 fucking years.

  95. DaleDaGooner

    What’s this beef between Xhaka and Wenger then? Telling him what every WOB has been saying….Xhaka skies a shot, Wenger actually gets up and is having a go at Xhaka, Xhaka says “Oh c’mon! Fack off!”…Ramsey is seen giggling

  96. WengerEagle

    Na Liverpool for me are still far too inconsistent and as great as their front 3 are in Firmino-Salah-Mane, they had an even better front 3 in 2013/14 in SAS and Sterling and still fell short.

    Their midfield and defence is very average and their GK’s are poor. Naby Keita is a step in the right direction but he alone won’t be enough.

    City have a far superior squad.

  97. N'gambo

    Bournemouth dropped our star mid-field player. He wasn’t good enough.

    Nobody wanted Mesut Ozil so we paid him 350,000 pounds a week – to not turn up.

    It’s your money that’s being spent and thieved from you.

    The biggest Ponzi / Madoff scammers in the world.

  98. Wallace

    jasongms

    “@wallace
    Milan’s midfield – Albertini, Ancelotti, Donadoni, Gullit and Rijkaard.
    Come again… The most consummate team in the history of the CL”

    definitely second best, but like I said, I think Pep’s Barca side would have too much about them. the three Italians mentioned very good players, but not great. and Barca played at a speed far in advance of what that Milan side was used to.

  99. HillWood

    Better performance last night and survived a definate penalty shout in the first half
    Welbeck reminds me of Sanogo he is so ungainly
    And let’s not forget it’s only half time
    Wenger Out

  100. Champagne Charlie

    Pauline

    You embarrassed yourself yesterday, give it a rest.

    You rate Rambo and dislike Ozil. You can’t provide a balanced view is all that tells people.

  101. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    Northern

    How you doing .?

    Still having a punt ?

    Been following this fella on twitter
    Has a few winners 5/7 on Monday 3/5 today a 140/1 treble

    If you fancy
    Me nephew put me on to him an he works in stables
    @bet4bees on twitter

  102. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    bit Alatmin* that wenger don’t speak to youths

    Starting to ge5 some players now we run the risk of losing them

    Play Eddie up front with bang bang

  103. Bamford10

    I’d say Paulinho pretty much ran circles around you, Champagne, but you and I rarely see eye to eye, so perhaps I am not an unbiased observer here.

    Plus Paulinho and I agree on the question.

  104. Champagne Charlie

    Pedro

    How many guys bedrooms you been in? I didn’t sign up for that by coming on here….

    Fine print?

  105. Rambo Ramsey

    Eagle, not being dishonest mate. I questioned Xhaka’s signing the moment he was announced. Not exactly hard to see a player’s lack of mobility.

    Charlie, can you deny Ramsey has more balls than Ozil?

    Whether we’re winning 3-0 or losing 2-0, whether its against easy opposition or a big game, whether its a home match or away at an intimidating venue… Ramsey never hides, he always plays his game.

    This is something you can’t say for a lot of our squad, especially Ozil.

  106. WengerEagle

    Not saying that they were as good as Pep’s prime Barcelona side but Heynckes 2012/13 Bayern side definitely deserve a mention, imo scariest team in the Champions League era made all the more impressive by not having the best player in the world at the time on their team.

  107. Champagne Charlie

    Banford

    You would think deference to personal insults is running rings around someone. That’s how you operate also when someone questions your football acumen.

    Stay in your lane. You’re the poster child for unbalanced views.