Wenger finished and he knows it.

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Wouldn’t it be nice if the press pushed Arsene for answers, versus goading him into a reaction for the back page of a rag?

I don’t care what his opinion is on his review is, he’s hardly going to want to talk about that right now.

“My job is to perform, I don’t ask if your position is reviewed..”

At least he knows his job is to perform. Not sure how he’ll frame this year as that, but whatever. Point is, I want to hear his thoughts on the problems at the club, and get into specifics.

  • Why is there such a consistent thread of failure against top 6 teams?
  • What are you going to change the narrative this Thursday?
  • How do you react when players are walking on the pitch in a cup final?
  • How do you assess player motivation?
  • Are players calling in sick?
  • Do you think Ozil’s constant vacations are a problem?

I personally think the press give Wenger an easy ride when they goad him. This happens almost every year, it’s the same reaction every time.

“I’ve turned the whole world down to respect my contracts,”

“My position is the last worry I have at the moment. My worry is to get the team focused and ready for tomorrow’s game.”

Absolute nothing comments. The press coverage is now about his loyalty, not his lack of understanding when it comes to Arsenal’s declining ability to compete at the highest level. I think the sad part about the comments he’s making is I’m not sure even he believes in what he’s saying. He looks clueless and lost. It’s sad, but as fans, we can’t feel bad about seeing Wenger in this mess. He stole that new contract last summer and we all knew what would happen.

Wenger needs to start rethinking his loyalty angle. We plucked him from Grampus 8 and gave him a platform to succeed. Sure, there were some years he could have gone to Madrid, but he’d have failed and died off as a top-flight manager 10 years ago and he’d not be in an elite job right now. He’s done very well out of Arsenal. His last 3 contracts have been gifts, he’s lucky to be running a big club right now. Hopefully we won’t double down on our dreadful summer mistake. Hopefully this is the end game.

Also, I appreciate he worked some wonders back in the day, but let’s not pretend the Arsenal job hasn’t been appealing, even in the dark times. Wenger’s loyalty wasn’t linked to club survival. Even in the dark times, he’s was still blasting £100m wage bills. A lot of our poverty in the transfer market was linked to him spending all his money on a failed socialist wage experiment. Irony of all ironies, in the socialist experiment, there was always one man who had to be the richest.

Interesting to see that John Cross has now turned on Wenger, you know that if he’s changed his tune from ‘careful what you wish for’ it’s because he’s been given permission to do so. Also fantastic to read that we’re tracking Jardim and Arteta. Not quite so keen on Brendan Rodgers, he’s not a bad coach, he’s just a bit of a prat. Would want us to steer clear of Loew, such a yer da signing.

This is a pretty detailed overview of Leonardo Jardim, the career coach from Madeira. We’re going to need a manager who extracts 110% out of players, a Pochettino style hire. I think Jardim has consistently demonstrated his ability to take on challenging situations and win out. He’s a great defensive coach, his Monaco side last year were next level in terms of attacking style, and he’s capable of adapting his vision based on the assets he has at his disposal. It’d also be nice to keep the Monaco heritage in our DNA.

I’m just praying we don’t make a regressive crowd pleaser signing. Go for the smartest coach, with the most exciting vision for the club. Interview and meet people. Make them work for the best job in the world.

I cannot wait people. Wenger is could be on the way out.

Anyway, we have the issue of City tomorrow. Not often a mega game like this goes on general sale, but hey, not often a club that charges £95 a ticket keeps a failing manager on the payroll at the expense of success.

Right, see you tomorrow for a plate of masochism.

Also, I did this video for Ball Street. Take a watch. I was next level hungover, so apologies.

PODCAST TOMORROW.

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  1. Bamford10

    WE

    “Well he stunk out the place at Spurs and was useless on Sunday in the Cup Final, missed not 1 but 2 sitters in one swift move.”

    No, you’re just continuing to overstate the matter. He did not “stink the place out” at Spurs; he may have been ineffectual, but I have already explained the difference b/t having a stinker and being ineffectual.

    As for missing two sitters, please paste in the video of this/these so that we can all scrutinize the validity of this claim. I remember one of these moments, and I believe I said “he should have finished that,” but I don’t think I would characterize it as you have.

    You’re overstating, IMO. Paste in and we can all discuss.

  2. Marko

    Actually, I have plenty of data/evidence for that claim.

    I bet you don’t. As someone who watches plenty of Arsenal and La Liga games I can tell you that I’ve never seen him play RB especially for any stretch of games. If you had said he could I might have agreed because a lot of players could. Ramsey and Coquelin could and it wouldn’t be a stretch for a CB to be able to play RB and vice versa. But to claim he’s a better RB than his natural position of CB and claim he’s better than Bellerin at RB and offer no more evidence than one link to a world cup game against Algeria is weak at best. I’d say that if you looked back on that game he was probably a RCB and Lahm played RWB or if Can started maybe he did.

  3. WengerEagle

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgF4uSs-8c4

    And as for his performance vs Tottenham:

    -23 touches (lowest of any player on the field by some distance)
    – 0 Shots attempted.
    – 0 dribbles attempted.
    – 18 total passes, only 10 completed (55%, worst of both teams by some distance).
    – 1 aerial won.
    – 2 Offsides.

    I would say by any marker that is a useless performance.

  4. WengerEagle

    Bamford

    Re Mustafi what are you talking about? He’s filled in there occasionally but he is first and foremost a central defender, he has always been this from his time in Italy with Sampdoria to his time in Spain with Valencia before we signed him.

    Would be like arguing that Andrei Arshavin was a Striker because he had a mini-spell of playing there when we had our CF’s out.

  5. Rambo Ramsey

    Eagle and Paulinho, you’re talking bollocks re Auba. All the more bizarre considering you wax lyrical over Kane. Auba did in Germany what Kane has been doing in England.

    Talking about stinkers and missed chances, clearly you’ve forgotten the sitters missed by Havvy Kane in the match against us. What proved to be the difference was his teammates continued to create great chances for him.

  6. WengerEagle

    RR

    How many goals has Kane put past us at this stage? Could you have picked a worse example.

    Don’t know if you’ve been watching lately but the Bundesliga is in dire straits, league quality is at an all-time low, far cry from the days when Dortmund and Schalke were both performing very well in Europe in addition to Bayern Munich.

    Batshuayi is tearing up trees in Dortmund and he was hopeless for Chelsea.

  7. Rambo Ramsey

    Eagle, my point was : All strikers miss chances.

    Why does it it matter how many times Kane has scored against us? He’s been playing in England all his life while Auba is in his first month.

  8. mano'gunner

    Bay Area Gooner

    Late post but if you read this, Pep really is both. Pragmatist in that he sets his team up depending on the opposition and idealist in that he always sets up to attack or ‘play beautifully’.
    Yes I agree we need someone like him but a coach who is able to be both and be successful at that is very very rare which is what makes him one of the best in the business right now.

  9. WengerEagle

    RR

    Alright then, agree it’s early days but just calling it as I see it. I actually rate Lacazette’s general ability on the ball over Auba’s but the latter’s outrageous physical attributes give him the edge over Laca.

    Neither are the CF that I wanted but we’re stuck with them now. The hope is that we’ll at least be a dangerous side against anyone stupid enough to give our forwards time and space, as seen on occasion and recently against Everton.

  10. Bamford10

    Marko

    You missed my point, which was that given how poor he is as a CB, one only really needs a single data point (though there is more than this) to support my claim. It’s not that important, though, as I already stated.

  11. WengerEagle

    Well no, you are wrong on Mustafi there Bamford for somebody that always claims to be correct, sorry. Ask anybody with even a remote interest of Sampdoria and Valencia and they will tell you the same.

    Also interested in discussing the Aubameyang sitter.

    Cheers.

  12. Bamford10

    CF’s always have the least number of touches and lowest pass percentage given their position on the field., the crowded-nesss of the final third and the difficulty of their role. And I already said that there is a difference between being ineffectual and “having a stinker”. I look forward to watching that video, though; I don’t remember him having a stinker, though, I do remember him being ineffectual (along with many others).

  13. Leedsgunner

    It might be just semantics but what is difference between ineffectual and having a stinker — especially in football which is a sport based on performances?

    To be ineffectual is a way of having a stinker is it not?

  14. Ishola70

    I wouldn’t kill Auba on that missed chance against City.

    He did well in the first place to show strength and beat the defender to the ball and the position of him he could only direct the ball one way which he did and the keeper saves it diving the wrong way. He got a decent purchase on it. I’d say he was a tad unlucky there.

    He will score goals if he is given the proper service. The worry is not that he misses a few but that whether he will be supplied enough.

    Now Harry Kane did miss an absolute sitter against Palace weekend just gone. He shanked one wide from a couple of yards out with no defender anywhere near him. But later he scores a late goal for their winner to make amends.

    The difference is Kane is supplied regularly by the Spurs team and is ingrained in their play. Kane misses many but gets enough chances and situations to get a very healthy ratio of goals.

  15. Pierre

    Wenger eagle

    For someone who purports to be the an encyclopedia of knowledge on Le Grove, I find that your appraisal of Aubameyang actually shows your lack of understanding of the game and what makes a decent striker.

  16. UTarse

    WE,
    The whole fucking team wearing red and white had a stinker v spuds…. and city. It’s the main trait of Arsene FC

  17. S Asoa

    Regarding the WORLD WANTING HIM ,looks like after introspection they decided his warts were a detrimental and opted out of hiring ale Monsieur. A perspective can be seen in Thierry Henry interview of why he left for Barcelona. He says that being with Wenger for the best part of his life , he could not continue at AFC without Wenger and Dein. Henry credits Wenger for having been frank to him about Wenger leaving Arsenal.
    Hi honey ho , apparently Real last moment made an assessment that Le Fraud was actually that. Read on

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/what-thierry-henry-said-arsene-12107640

  18. Dissenter

    Milistat cannot be recommending a manager for Arsenal.
    His forte is player scouting and the task of recruiting a manager is above his pay grade.

    Don’t believe everything you read in the papers like Pierre would say.

  19. Bay Area gooner

    Been reading and watching YouTube vids on Napoli tactics and the influence of Sarri. Interesting stuff. He has his team firing on all cylinders and knows their limitations.

    Wenger should take a page from m how he does things.

  20. Akilan

    DissenterMarch 1, 2018 14:27:31
    Milistat cannot be recommending a manager for Arsenal.
    His forte is player scouting and the task of recruiting a manager is above his pay grade.
    Logically speaking, you’re right. He cannot and shouldn’t be involved in the appointment of our new manager. But he can suggest one to the people who should. I believe it is the job of Ivan, Raul, kroenke and maybe some other board members but Sven can sure as hell can have a word in the ears of the board.

  21. mysticleaves

    outsideoftheboot.com

    Pedro thanks for linking the Jardim article by then. This site is superb. Very in-depth about coaches less than 45, young players to look out for and some really tactical stuffs. Have been reading them since morning and I am not bored yet.

    They have called many right. like Bailey, Mbappe, Pellegri etc.

    But from their list there are many youngsters we could target as a club. Bazoer, De ligt, Lautaro the Argentine striker to mention a few.

    Juventus really stole a gem in Rodrigo Bentaccur. I always used him in FM and he always did well. Glad to know he can do well too in real life

  22. Champagne Charlie

    Are we really dissecting Aubameyang? Is that the level we’ve attained here…Jesus.

    The guy is an elite CF, anyone to suggest otherwise is frankly stupid. Notice it’s the same lot that like to bash Ozil for not being a touch tackling midfielder etc. Always an agenda, or desire to represent oneself as a sage.

    To a man, Arsenal are not far off good enough to challenge for the league. The glaring miss is our lack of setup, approach, style, tactics, and overall way of playing. We have no identity whatsoever, and literally none of our ‘flaws’ are being compensated elsewhere as they ordinarily would be by a manager who isn’t as idealistic as ours.

  23. mysticleaves

    Also it’s funny how Jardim and Marco Silva’s career has mirrored themselves as coaches. Silva replaced Jardim in Sporting and Olympiakos before he came to Hull.

    I won’t be surprised if he replaced Jardim at Monaco too should he leave.

  24. mysticleaves

    Auba would be good. We just need a setup. CC is absolutely right. To early to be saying those. We are just pained because in this non-system of ours he can’t do anything bar wait for huffed balls.

    Auba always pressed like an animal in the bundesliga and was actually as in the face to defenders as Costa because the system required him to.

    Its easy street here. we dont press, we don’t harry, we don’t even care.

  25. HighburyLegend

    ” Is that the level we’ve attained here…Jesus.”

    Yep, the ultimate proof is your presence.

  26. mysticleaves

    WE

    Regarding stinkers, Bendtner had stinkers. He saw a lot of the ball, we created loads and loads for him but sometimes he just couldn’t control or finish. That’s a stinker.

    At this stage, we don’t have a capable team. No striker of us can actually have stinkers cos we don’t create a lot so at this stage you are actually wrong on Auba

  27. Champagne Charlie

    Highbury
    Your crush on me is cute. If I swung that way it’d still be a no though mate, sorry.

    Samesong
    Mustafi is reckless and rash, but he’s a 25 year old CB who undoubtedly can be coached better. Not sure why that avenue is so often ignored by fans, maybe because we’ve even little of it the last few years I guess. Players can get better though, it’s not something of myth/legend

  28. Elmo

    The language used in the club’s half-yearly accounts, released yesterday, indicate that the board have finally realised that action needs to be taken.

    “A rationalisation of the playing squad has resulted in profits on sales of players…”
    Indicating that the club viewed the ridiculous size of squad Wenger had accumulated as being irrational.

    “Turnover from football decreased to £167.7m (2016 – £191.1m) as participation in the UEFA Europa League, instead of the UEFA Champions League, adversely impacted broadcasting, ticketing and commercial revenue lines.”
    The club realise Wenger’s failures are now hitting them hard. In the 6 months to the end of November, failure to make the CL cost the club £23.4m compared to the previous year, so over 12 months that would be £40m+, which may well explain why there has been no net transfer spend over the past two windows. Headline revenue is now falling at the club, perhaps for the first time in the PL era.

    “This has been an inconsistent season but as we enter its final stages let’s not forget we still have plenty to play for with UEFA Europa League and an outside chance of a top four finish in the Premier League.”
    The club have accepted that Wenger is not going to achieve top 4 again this season, which may have set the ball rolling on actual contact with prospective new managers (perhaps why the leak of manager names happened a couple of days ago).

    “We need to spend effectively effectively and be the best we can across the whole of our football operations if we are to compete at the level our ambitions for the club demand.”
    Sounds like an admission that the club realise that the spending by Wenger over the past few years has been a complete disaster, with huge amounts wasted on players who have turned out to be no better than average PL standard, and that the appointment of Mislintat and Sanllehi was specifically brought about to end the waste.

    There is a description of the work the club are planning to overhaul the Club Level and premium dining facilities. Clearly this is a response to the new Spuds stadium which is going to flood the London market with more PL hospitality seats, just at the point where the City is losing headcount as the banks start moving EU based business over to the continent as Brexit draws in.

    Let’s hope it’s the start of a full re-build of the club, rather than just more lip service. Liverpool released their annual accounts today, which covered a year without any European football; next year’s accounts are going to show that they have leap-frogged us in terms of revenue generation, as they add £50m+ from the CL and our revenue falls by £40m+ as we are stuck in the Europa.

  29. mysticleaves

    Highbury
    could it be why you want Wenger out so he can have all the time for you? You selfish git.

  30. HighburyLegend

    “the board have finally realised that action needs to be taken.”
    That’s a good one Elmo, thanks lol

  31. azed

    2-1 Arsenal with Wenger and AKBS coming out to blame the ref for Sunday and tell us how we’ve turned a corner then we get beat at Huddersfield.

  32. Guns of SF

    Pep such a nice guy, trying to give encouraging words about Wenger, etc.
    Leave it alone PEP!

    DO us a favor and help us get rid of this parasite called Arsene Wenger.
    Thrash us!

  33. HighburyLegend

    C’mon City, an humiliation at home would be very welcomed.
    (all the sheep of the Emirates wouldn’t react anyway…)

  34. azed

    “DO us a favor and help us get rid of this parasite called Arsene ”

    Having Arsene is one less manager for Pep to worry about, there’s no chance Pep, Klopp or Mourinho want Wenger gone.

  35. WengerEagle

    I don’t see how not rating Aubameyang as highly as some hold him up on here makes me an idiot, matter of opinion gents.

    Clearly he wasn’t that highly thought of around Europe if we were the only club for years who expressed genuine interest in him, by his own admission.

  36. Pierre

    Ufraud
    “It wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if Arsenal postponed the game tonight, it’s a free option to arrest a poor run and have a break to take the heat of le fraud and his team of pampered pussies. A week off and a chance to win the next game so all is forgeotten again.”

    There he goes again with his conspiracy theories again.

  37. Guns of SF

    Azed
    Good point about them wanting loserville to stay on.
    However, all these coaches would also reslish defeating this historical old coach.
    I mean, thrashing Arsenal is something to smile about and get your fans happy about….

    Its blood in the water…. we would go for the throat if the tables were switched.

    It would be interesting to see any change of game plan today from us. If we sleepwalk like we did on Sunday its nails (again)

  38. Pierre

    In my opinion, I think part of the problem with the new signings in January is the way the fixtures have panned out and the fact they are/were cup tied for the cup competitions.

    Mkhitarayan and Aubameyang have only played together 2 times in over a month, one very good game against Everton and one difficult game v Tottenham.

    This has made it difficult to assess how they are doing.. Until they play another 5 or 6 games in the league together we won’t know if there will be an improvement in the side.

    Pity Aubameyang is cup tied for in Europe as he could have made a difference.
    I don’t feel that we are playing the early ball for Aubameyang to run on to.. He will stop making the runs if we don’t start picking him out and he will become frustrated.
    Maybe mkhitarayan could be key to Aubameyang opening up defences though of course it will difficult tonight.

  39. Paulinho

    “I don’t see how not rating Aubameyang as highly as some hold him up on here makes me an idiot”

    Some people need a ridiculously long period of time to grasp what level player is at.

    You say the same things in a year’s time about Aubameyang and it won’t elicit a squeak out of anyone. Same thing happened with Xhaka. No one else was after him either.

  40. Akilan

    Elmo
    “Let’s hope it’s the start of a full re-build of the club, rather than just more lip service. Liverpool released their annual accounts today, which covered a year without any European football; next year’s accounts are going to show that they have leap-frogged us in terms of revenue generation, as they add £50m+ from the CL and our revenue falls by £40m+ as we are stuck in the Europa.”
    Don’t get me wrong here. So all the money we hoarded last decade has become useless now. I remember arsenal having circa 200m in the bank 10 years ago. Our revenues were 100-150m more than Liverpool back then. With all due respect, history was the only thing they had on us. We were a tire above them clearly. Fast forward a few years, All it took was a couple of half decent seasons for them and they’ve caught us already. They didn’t even win anything. With our cash reserves, the most we could do now is may be one world class player? Back then we could’ve bought Messi with that money. We have stagnated so much that even spurs could catch us in a couple of seasons. So much for the long term thinking of the economist. We absolutely cannot afford to make another mistake. We can’t gamble on the new manager. Strictly no to arteta, Henry and co. Bring in Simeone, Conte, Allegri types. Pragmatic coaches who would win us the title in the near future. Build the brand.

  41. Guns of SF

    Pierre

    On Sunday we were so pinned back we could hardly get the ball into their final third. Auba was a target man at that point, and we hoofed the ball to him hoping he would get it and do something. Problem is that he was marked like crazy with Kompany watching his every move.
    In order to get him involved more, we need to have our attack get him the ball the the middle to final third versus the long ball and hoping for a miracle.
    The issue is playing against Pep.
    Any team struggles when they put the stranglehold on you. His Barca side were just suffocating… never seen anything like that.
    be interesting to see how we get Auba the ball today and also any change in tactics overall.

  42. Barking Arsene

    I know many here won’t agree but Laca has a more rounded game than Auba does.

    Although a great finisher, Aubas movement isn’t really anything out of he ordinary. Lacazette made good runs when he arrived but has stopped bothering now.

    Laca links up play with others better in my opinion and neither of them are particularly strong.

    Send Auba through and he will finish, but the same could have been said of Lacazette until his form dropped off a cliff recently.

    Think back to the Spurs game and Kane missed a couple of sitters against us. He scores so many because that Spurs team creates a lot of chances.

    The service our strikers are provided with is not good enough at the moment.

  43. Akilan

    We actually face AC Milan next week. If city give us a proper hiding tody and we get hammered in San siro next week(both are highly possible results), our season is over. We will have nothing to play for in the last 2 and half months of the campaign. Let that sink in. Wenger can finally leave the club with proper good byes with fans abusing him at home for the remainder of the campaign. He is very close to destroying what he built in his early years. Come on pep, save us from this man.

  44. Champagne Charlie

    Weagle
    Your ‘nobody else was after him’ rhetoric is copout bollocks. Dortmund said our offer was the only “real” offer aka one that matched their valuation. You’re talking nonsense to suggest Aubameyang wasn’t wanted or rated by other clubs. Absolute nonsense. I guess Liverpool fans say the same about Salah? Don’t remember all of Europes elite fighting over him in the summer. Makes you sound dim when you suggest the calibre of the player is only linked to the number of clubs trying to sign him.

    Paulinho
    You’re one of the main advocates of making concrete statements regarding players early on because you want the “see I told you so” moments time later. Knowing full well people invariably don’t remember the assessments from a year ago – unless said poster rehashes to pat himself on the back.

  45. HillWood

    I’m not sure if Wengers little darlings will fancy it tonight
    It’s a tad chilly to stroll around in a pair of football shorts

  46. Marko

    You missed my point, which was that given how poor he is as a CB, one only really needs a single data point (though there is more than this) to support my claim

    Sorry Bam but your point has always been he’s a better RB than a CB and now YOU trying to walk it back because no one is agreeing with you.

  47. Victorious

    CC
    Couldn’t agree more,Was literally shocked Paulinho compared Auba to Gervinho,at the moment called him out on the absolute bullshite,couldn’t ass myself in talking about ‘how were the only club for Auba’makes him shite,very dumb logic that

  48. Marko

    Mustafi is reckless and rash, but he’s a 25 year old CB who undoubtedly can be coached better. Not sure why that avenue is so often ignored by fans, maybe because we’ve even little of it the last few years I guess. Players can get better though, it’s not something of myth/legend

    Right but all the coaching in the world can’t turn Mustafi into Chiellini. I mean we could hire Simeone tomorrow and he still won’t be able to turn Mustafi into Gimenez

  49. Champagne Charlie

    Marko

    Knew you would be drawn in with that comment, you can’t help but demand someone else “better”. Mustafi is easily good enough as a CB for a team looking to win the league.

    He has edges to smooth, but this constant clamouring for “better” is plain sad. You can improve a team without just buying better mate, expand your mind a touch.

    Also, it sounds like you’re suggesting unless our CBs are Chiellini level we simply shouldn’t bother? Odd.

  50. TR7

    Charlie nowadays blames our system for almost everything. Yes our system does expose a few players more than they would otherwise have been in a more defensive set up but Xhaka, Mustafi, Iwobi are all below average players anyway. As for Aubemeyang he will go toe to toe with Ozil and Auba when it comes to going awol against good oppositions.

  51. Marko

    Knew you would be drawn in with that comment, you can’t help but demand someone else “better”. Mustafi is easily good enough as a CB for a team looking to win the league.

    Had to comment Charlie cause it’s literally the same type of conversation I had with the likes of you and Wallace in the summer. This idea that we have good enough defenders and we can challenge with better coaching and the back 5 that’ll work is clearly nonsense cause we haven’t and if you think a new manager is likely to come in look at our defenders and deem them good enough then you are frankly nuts. Mustafi is a squad player at best at a club challenging for major honours. He was linked with Barcelona in his younger days but ultimately they decided on the likes of Umtiti for a reason. Yes coaching and structure at this club isn’t up to scratch that’s obvious but what is also obvious is the personnel aren’t up to scratch too.

    You can improve a team without just buying better mate, expand your mind a touch.

    You can also improve a team by signing up quality players and spending money as opposed to hope or wait and see. I can see you have the same type of belief in certain players that Arsene has. He’s been continually let down over the years by this blind faith of players

  52. Zfree

    Doesn’t look like jack is in the team today. Maybe bc he is refusing to sign the contract. Wenger loves to persist with Granit.

    I’m not changing my prediction from the other day despite the crazy weather conditions. 3-1 City and Wenger and the band of pussies will moan about unfair decisions and bad conditions and lack of fan support and not even rest and too many distractions in the media and unfortunate injury to Nacho and and and and

    Makes you wanna vomit.

  53. Champagne Charlie

    Tr7

    Why not talk to me instead of about me? Internet big man.

    Enlighten me what I should be “blaming”?

    I’m of the opinion Wenger and our lack of system, approach, idea is the main reason we are such a disjointed team. Only reason? Clearly not, just the main one. Highlighted by the notion if we were to sign 4 top drawer players in the positions needed we would still produce a similar Jekyll and Hyde. Introduce a manager with a modern approach and we’d be a different side altogether.

  54. Guns of SF

    DeBruyne missile today with the slick ball and field.

    really I just want to see who stands out today in a good way…. who is answering the call today?

    Keeping my eyes on lazy Ozil. Lets see what this primadonna brings today

  55. UTarse

    The Irony,
    Little p accusing someone else of spreading conspiracy theories…. what a funny little man you are.

    Pot kettle ?

  56. Marko

    Funny thing is that I don’t even hate Mustafi he’s the least of our problems and Koscielny has been far worse than him this season but at the same time let’s not fool ourselves into thinking that any of them are good enough for us long term wise. Our best defender right now is a 32 year old LB who can play CB that to me says a lot about how much that area needs addressing. Need at least two CB signed in the summer for the starting 11. AT LEAST

  57. Champagne Charlie

    Marko

    Nobody has suggested we need no additions, so don’t invent shit because you want to take the discourse down another path.

    You totally ignore improvement through training, not a little, totally. Your only ever solution to improvement is spending mad money, which smacks of a superficial understanding of football. Otamendi was a laughing stock before Pep arrived, but a manager with his ability has transformed him. There’s players in this Arsenal side that would reap the benefits of a better coach. This should be acknowledged before scrapping the lot and playing a bit of FIFA.

    There’s no mislead belief in the players we have, again you’ve the wrong end of the stick. I’m saying Wenger doesn’t deliver that improvement anymore so someone new, who can, would stand to get a better output from this same group of players. Simply put, we’d be top 4 with the same players and a better manager.

  58. Paulinho

    Champagne – I’m laughing at you thinking I’m not going to mention Xhaka, and how having a crap memory is somehow something to be proud of.

    I remember the utter tripe you came out with – and vehemence of it – when you disagreed with my appraisal of his game when he joined. I’ve been proved completely right and you completely wrong.

    Of course, you are still so bitter about it that you still can’t admit he’s crap, hence why I’ll keep bringing it up when you try your little ‘all knowing’ act on other posters.

  59. TR7

    Charlie

    I want Wenger gone as much as the next person but there are crap players in our team who would not work in any system simply because they are not good enough.we give these players an easy ride and use Wenger’s system or rather lack of it as a shield. Xhaka, Mustafi and Iwobi are 3 such players.

  60. Champagne Charlie

    Paulinho

    Crap memory? It’s the fact people don’t assign significance to posters outlandish opinions when players touchdown. Hence why you’re one of the most notable people at doing so just in the hope that you can sit proud as punch saying ‘I told you so’ (like above).

    Xhaka is quality, the fact he’s been a dire at arsenal points more to the environment and approach our dear manager takes. But that gets ignored so hero’s like yourself think they can reign supreme on a football blog.

    Next you’re going to tell me Pogba is wank because Mourinho can’t get a tune out of him. Or maybe Xhaka just needs to take a leaf out of Ramsey’s book to gain your world renowned approval..

  61. ArseneisaFraud

    Team lineup:

    Cech, Bellerin, Koscielny, Mustafi, Kolasinac, Xhaka, Ramsey, Mkhitaryan, Ozil, Welbeck, Aubameyang.

    Subs: Ospina, Holding, Iwobi, Chambers, Maitland-Niles, Elneny, Nketiah.

  62. Marko

    You totally ignore improvement through training, not a little, totally. Your only ever solution to improvement is spending mad money, which smacks of a superficial understanding of football

    Right I’m ignoring improvement through training because and this is vitally important players like Mustafi aren’t good enough period especially if we want to get back to where we were or want to be. End of. The idea that you would want to keep the likes of him as opposed to sign obviously better players like Gimenez or DeVrij in the hope that he’ll somehow come on leaps and bounds and not to mention save a bit of money is frankly sad. You’ve been wengerised my friend. Convinced that we don’t need to spend money and values and cohesion is enough. Linked all summer with the likes of Manolas but instead kept Chambers in the hope that with enough “training” and “tactics” that it’d be enough? Come on man

    Otamendi was a laughing stock before Pep arrived, but a manager with his ability has transformed him

    You’re kind of forgetting that fact that he’s also been surrounded by big money signings and top quality players like Stones for 50 million, Laporte for 57 million and also Otamendi was always a good CB who just went through a tough period they all did last season. You’re point would have been valid had Pep stuck with Otamendi and the likes of Mangala and instead of buying Laporte he just fixed the problem with training and tactics instead he went out and bought an obvious talent

  63. Champagne Charlie

    Tr7

    I’m not suggesting Wengers failings mask the fact some aren’t good enough, I’ve stated as such previously.

    We have some that aren’t good enough and many that aren’t at the level they could be because of Wenger. I don’t think that’s unfair to suggest.

    There’s no one thing needing altered, im just a little perplexed at the continued idea half the side isn’t at the level. Many on here seem to think you need 11 world class players to be a great team.

  64. Marko

    Xhaka is quality…

    I’m sorry but how the fuck can anyone write this after the player has been stinking up the place for nearly two whole seasons. He’s an absolute turd of a player. End of.

  65. Zfree

    Looking at the table again, it really is City of course in their own echelon, then the next four separated by 12 points.

    Then the next group of teams separated by 12 points. Arsenal is better to be lumped in with Burnley, Leicester, Everton, and Watford than to be grouped with the top teams. Hey, at least we are leading the middle of the road pack!

  66. Paulinho

    Charlie – Maybe you need to re-examine your knowledge of the game and the players before labelling opinions outlandish or extreme.

    My ‘outlandish’ opinion of Xhaka turned out to be absolutely spot-on, so not outlandish or extreme at all, just a case of analysing a player. You should try it sometime, it might prevent you attempting(and failing) to contort reality in the future when you can’t admit to being wrong about a player.

  67. Champagne Charlie

    “The idea that you would want to keep the likes of him as opposed to sign obviously better players like Gimenez or DeVrij in the hope that he’ll somehow come on leaps and bounds and not to mention save a bit of money is frankly sad“

    This is why it’s a chore to engage with you. I’ve no idea where you get half the shit you chat, haven’t said anything close to this but away you go as per.

    Yes, Arsenal need investment. But it’s all you advocate as means of improving. I’ve not been “wengerized”, whatever the fuck that means. I’ve just watched football long enough to appreciate players get better and develop. Idk who you rate in Arsenal’s history but there’s a great chance the payer they were when arriving vs when they left/retired was vastly different. Your football manager approach outs you as a teenager

  68. Champagne Charlie

    Marko

    Xhaka was quality in Germany, and for Switzerland. Sorry if I don’t judge him too harshly in en environment that’s seen nothing but regression for two years. How many other players have flourished in that time? I’ll wait.

  69. Akilan

    CC,
    I get that Wenger’s system(there’s one?) absolutely exposes the defenders but it never hindered a midfielder. A mid can do as he pleases on the pitch. It can expose a DM but it also let the player to play with freedom when we have the ball. His sideway passing has hindered us more than anything. He also tends to lose the ball in dangerous positions. He did it in the Euros too for Switzerland. He hasn’t made an impact with his passing skills and off the ball, you know let’s just not talk about it. He makes me miss arteta. I don’t think he can make it in the EPL. Hope we sell him in the summer.

  70. gazzap

    I’d have thought after being ripped a new one in the middle of the park in the cup final, tonight would be a good time to play El Neny. but wenger knows best LOL.

  71. Champagne Charlie

    Paulinho

    Think I’ll skip advice from a guy that regularly lambasts Ozil and talks up Ramsey.

    Xhaka isn’t the only one getting rinsed by our current setup. Or are we going to ignore Lacazettes ineffectual performances, Bellerins shite, Koscielnys nightmare, Cechs demise etc.

  72. Marko

    Many on here seem to think you need 11 world class players to be a great team

    No just 11 players better than what we have got at the moment

  73. Champagne Charlie

    Akilan

    Disagree. We’re garbage off the ball and that lack of discipline is highlighted in midfield, then defence. Until we have someone in charge that addresses that it’s hard to see where the flaws begin and end in terms of manager/player culpability

  74. Paulinho

    Charlie – I said before he played a game for us that Xhaka was poor under the press, and had the ‘turning circle of the Queen Elizabeth'(Leicester away last season?)after watching him for Gladbach and Switzerland. That is a fault –
    along with his many others – that are completely independent of Wenger.

    All the rest that are being ‘rinsed’ get criticised as well.

    Using your logic, poor old Ramsey should be getting a lot of love from you, not criticism. He’s been under the old coot for ten years after being ‘quality’ and wanted by Man United when he was at Cardiff.

  75. Marko

    This is why it’s a chore to engage with you. I’ve no idea where you get half the shit you chat, haven’t said anything close to this but away you go as per.

    But you’re literally arguing with me for wanting to sign players to replace the shite we have so it would stand to reason that you don’t want us to sign players but think with better training and tactics that we don’t need to sign up players. Charlie I’m honestly not in the mood it’s the same argument from last summer. We don’t need signings the new formation and tactics will be enough. Sure it will. It’s all irrelevant anyway cause when a new manager does come in I guarantee you that he’ll take one look around and won’t think I can work with this this is enough he’ll sign up replacements.

    Also irrespective of the environment how anyone can claim Xhaka is quality after the last two years he’s having is beyond me

  76. Victorious

    Why Wenger never fancies Elneny is beyond me,certainly better than Xhaka and makes us a bit mobile there also,we also have a good record when he comes in

  77. Paulinho

    Of course there was no mention from Charlie of Wenger holding Xhaka back when he first joined.

    So, he’s either being disingenuous or his whole opinion of Wenger has flipped in the year and half since Xhaka joined. Umm…..

  78. Paulinho

    Marko – Only in the context of our squad do I have the ‘blinkers’ on.

    If we had City’s squad I wouldn’t be yearning for him, put it that way.

  79. Marko

    If we had City’s squad I wouldn’t be yearning for him, put it that way.

    Fair enough.

    I’m sure the weather will be blamed for the poor turnout but it’s worth noting that the Man City supporters area seems full

  80. useroz

    Sead had gone rubbish so quickly. Completely wrong footed in one stroke.

    And what’s the point of these pervasive 3, 5 yard passes that get nowhere?

    Who’s closest to Sane y’know who can run at the defence and dribble a bit??

  81. Rambo Ramsey

    Charlie, pray tell some of these great qualities of Xhaka.

    Passing? Nothing spectacular
    Mobility? Awful
    Defense? Average
    Offense? Average
    Technical ability? Poor

  82. Guns of Hackney

    “And tonight’s attendance is…”

    Err, no.

    It’s not the weather as city are packed out.

    Hopefully, hopefully the arsenal sheep have got the message. Stay away from games and maybe your little Adolf will fuck off.

  83. Guns of Hackney

    Arsene has shell shock. Pathetic really.

    Look at those eyes. He’s like a drunk looking for the last drink.

    2-0 city and another wonder goal for Silva. City are arsenal from 1998-2004.

  84. Marko

    Charlie your Xhaka is quality statement is worse than Bam trying to convince people Mustafi is a RB. It’s that bad.

    2-0

  85. Guns of Hackney

    Hopefully arsenal will come out for the second half to an empty stadium.

    Suckers are already starting to leave.

    Snow joke.

  86. useroz

    Like Chambers in the last game poor Bellerin got turned completely by Silva and another goal down.

    Never learn…

  87. TT

    lol
    It’s like watching Arsenal of the old…..apart from us being the masters and the other team the whipping boys. Oh how the mighty have fallen.
    But I suppose the manager will point to the attendance and blame the stay away fans for us being hammered……while conveniently forgetting the times the stadium is full and we still get humiliated.

  88. kc

    It’s really something incredible to see all those empty Arsenal seats while City’s section is packed. This is what happens when you put up a shite product. Love it! People are tired of seeing Wenger fail.